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- 0:00Welcome to reform thinking and welcome to the deep dive.
- 0:03We're really glad you could join us today we're going to be
- 0:05looking at some material you sent over.
- 0:07That's right, a whole stack of notes, study guides, even a
- 0:10transcript all focused on Christian forgiveness.
- 0:14It's a well, it's a topic that touches everyone's life, doesn't
- 0:18it, at some point? It really does.
- 0:19And what's interesting here is how these sources laid out a
- 0:22very specific understanding, one that's grounded directly in the
- 0:25Bible. And it differs quite a bit,
- 0:28actually, from how the world often talks about forgiveness.
- 0:31Yeah. So our goal today, our mission,
- 0:33if you like is to unpack all this material.
- 0:36We want to pull out the the most helpful insights and see what
- 0:39the Scripture, as these sources present it, really says about
- 0:43what forgiveness is, what it isn't, and you know what it
- 0:45looks like day-to-day. Think of it as getting a clearer
- 0:48map maybe for navigating this this really significant part of
- 0:52life, especially when you've been hurt.
- 0:54A map. I like that.
- 0:56We'll go through the foundation, the sources, layout, look at the
- 0:58key biblical words they bring up, see how it all applies, you
- 1:01know, both in our relationship with God and with other people.
- 1:04And we'll tackle some common questions that come up in the
- 1:07material too. Stuff that often trips people
- 1:09up. Sounds good.
- 1:10Let's unpack this. OK, so before we dive right into
- 1:13the how to of forgiving someone, your sources start somewhere
- 1:16else. They ground us first in the why,
- 1:19connecting it straight back to the gospel.
- 1:21They talk about 7 concepts that are crucial things to preach to
- 1:25yourself. Yes, and this grounding is
- 1:27really essential. It shifts the whole motivation
- 1:30you see away from just feeling like you have to forgive, like
- 1:33it's an obligation. Instead, it roots it in
- 1:36understanding what God has actually done for you.
- 1:39The sources suggest this contemplation makes forgiveness
- 1:41something you ought to delight in doing.
- 1:43Though it may be done through many tears, that phrase really
- 1:46captures it, doesn't it? It acknowledges the real pain
- 1:49but points to a deeper gospel driven joy underneath.
- 1:53Through many tears, yeah, that's honest about the struggle.
- 1:56But finding delight in it? That sounds challenging unless
- 1:59you see that gospel connection. Let's touch on a few of these
- 2:02concepts in the material. First up is Christ's shared
- 2:05suffering. Right.
- 2:07This draws from passages like Isaiah 53, the Suffering
- 2:09Servant. The sources really bring out
- 2:12this truth that Christ suffered not just in a general way, but
- 2:15infinitely more than any of us ever could.
- 2:18And what that means for us when we're hurt by someone's sin is
- 2:21that we are never alone in that pain, never your deepest hurts.
- 2:25That feeling of injustice, it resonates with Jesus.
- 2:28He gets it. He knows what it's like.
- 2:30Betrayal, mistreatment. He experienced it all.
- 2:33Knowing he's not distant, that's comforting.
- 2:36And linked to that, the sources bring up something tougher.
- 2:39God's purpose and suffering. This is hard, no doubt, but the
- 2:44sources are firm. God's sometimes purposes that
- 2:47those He loves deeply are painfully sinned against, and
- 2:51the ultimate example is Jesus himself.
- 2:53Acts 2 says his death, the worst sin imaginable, was part of
- 2:56God's definite plan. Now that doesn't mean God's sin,
- 3:00of course, but he sovereignly worked even through that evil
- 3:03for his good purpose. So the difficult truth is our
- 3:07suffering, even from other sin, doesn't mean God has stopped
- 3:10loving us. Look at Jesus, the beloved Son.
- 3:13He suffered according to God's loving purpose.
- 3:15That takes him sitting with. But it leads right into the
- 3:17third concept, doesn't it? Trust in God the Father?
- 3:20If Jesus trusted the Father through his suffering, we can
- 3:22too. We can.
- 3:23Jesus trusted Him completely right to the end.
- 3:25Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.
- 3:27And where is he now? Sitting at the Father's right
- 3:28hand. That shows God vindicated that
- 3:30trust. So if Jesus, who suffered
- 3:32infinitely more, trusted his Father, surely we can trust God
- 3:35with our comparatively smaller hurts, with the outcome, with
- 3:38justice. The 4th concept is maybe one of
- 3:41the most humbling, acknowledging greater sins against God.
- 3:45This one really turns our usual perspective on its head.
- 3:48You know, we tend to focus so much on the wrong done to us,
- 3:51but the sources layout this reality.
- 3:54As a Sinner, you have committed far greater sins against a
- 3:57perfectly holy God than anyone has ever committed against you.
- 4:01That's dark. Think about it.
- 4:02Sin against another person, however bad, is finite against a
- 4:06finite being. But our sin, It's against an
- 4:10infinite eternal God. Our debt is well, it's
- 4:14incalculable. The sources don't mince words.
- 4:17Our sins put Jesus on the cross. That's how huge the debt was.
- 4:20Right, that certainly puts things in perspective, and it
- 4:22leads straight to the fifth concept, rejoicing in Christ's
- 4:25purchase of forgiveness and justification.
- 4:27Yes, the glorious other side of the coin.
- 4:29Because Christ paid that debt, because he purchased our
- 4:32forgiveness and our justification, our right
- 4:33standing before God, everything changes.
- 4:35His righteousness is counted as ours.
- 4:38God the Father's view of us fundamentally shifts from guilty
- 4:41Sinner to beloved child welcomed because of Christ.
- 4:45We're declared righteous. Declared righteous, and the
- 4:47source is really stress rejoicing in that reality,
- 4:50letting that sink in. And that joy, that understanding
- 4:53of God's change, disposition towards us, that has to be the
- 4:56source, the motivation for forgiving others, which connects
- 4:59to the 6th point being purchased and owned by God.
- 5:03The sources stated plainly, you are not your own.
- 5:06You were bought with a price. You belong to God, so you now
- 5:09live to serve His purposes, not your own desires for payback or
- 5:13holding on to grievances. This helps reorient everything.
- 5:16Your life, even your pain, fits into His larger plan.
- 5:20And the final one number seven fellowship with Christ in
- 5:23sufferings. Yeah, the idea here is that when
- 5:25you actively apply these gospel truth to your suffering, when
- 5:29you reflect on them after being sinned against, it actually
- 5:32draws you closer to Christ. How so?
- 5:34Well, suffering shows us our weakness, our need for him.
- 5:37Leaning on him in pain builds faith, builds trust.
- 5:39And the sources talk about experiencing resurrection power
- 5:42in life to get through the hardest things when you're close
- 5:44to Christ. In that way, his strength shows
- 5:46up best in our weakness. Thinking through those seven
- 5:49points, it really does lay a foundation.
- 5:52It focuses you on God's character, His actions, your
- 5:55identity, and Him all before tackling the specific offense.
- 5:59It gives you the why and the spiritual fuel grounded in grace
- 6:03before you get to the how. It's meant to be something you
- 6:05preach to your own heart regularly.
- 6:08And right here, the sources give three quick cautions about
- 6:11forgiveness. They say it's not permission to
- 6:14delay, it's not dictated by feelings, and it's not a gradual
- 6:17process. Right, challenging some common
- 6:19ideas there. It's presented as an action,
- 6:22something rooted in truth, not feelings or timing.
- 6:24An act of the will. Based on understanding the
- 6:27Gospel. Precisely.
- 6:28OK, so with that gospel foundation firmly in place,
- 6:31let's get into the the mechanics, you could say, of
- 6:33biblical forgiveness. As the sources describe it, they
- 6:36highlight two key Greek words. And these aren't just for
- 6:38scholars, right? They represent two sides of the
- 6:41same coin, necessary parts. They really help us grasp the
- 6:44active nature of it. The first one is Aphemi.
- 6:46Aphemi spelled APHIEMI. The source has defined it as
- 6:51sending the offense away. What does that actually involve?
- 6:54It means to send the offense away from the mind and heart.
- 6:58Other meanings are like to disregard, to omit maybe to
- 7:02neglect the offense and the sources are clear.
- 7:05This comes from the minds resolve.
- 7:07That's crucial. It's an active thing you do.
- 7:09Not passive. Not passive at all.
- 7:11It's not just time passing and you forgetting about it.
- 7:14It's not, oh, I haven't thought about that hurt in ages, so I
- 7:17guess I'm over it. No.
- 7:18It's described as an act of putting away a conscious
- 7:21decision, an act of your will to send that thought, that memory,
- 7:25that injury away. And they use that illustration
- 7:28of a sneeze. Yeah, it's quite vivid, like
- 7:31you're launching something away from yourself, expelling it
- 7:34actively. Now, this doesn't mean you get
- 7:36amnesia about the event. The memory might still be there,
- 7:39but afiemy means you actively stop that memory from growing
- 7:43into a root of bitterness. You stop dwelling on it in that
- 7:45negative way. Right.
- 7:46You choose not to let it fester. And a really practical
- 7:50outworking of this afiemy is the commitment, not bringing it up
- 7:54with intention to harm. OK, explain that.
- 7:56This act of sending away translates into how you act.
- 8:00You make a deliberate choice, a commitment to never bringing it
- 8:04up again, with the intention to harm or humiliate the person who
- 8:07wronged you, and the sources break this down.
- 8:10This commitment applies first to not bringing it up to the
- 8:13offender themselves. Not even subtly.
- 8:15No, not even indirectly. The sources warn about being sly
- 8:18about this, making little digs or comments through the kids.
- 8:21You know, that's not sending it away.
- 8:23That's keeping it alive, OK. What?
- 8:25Else second, not bringing it up to other people, especially if
- 8:28your motive is to make yourself look good or get sympathy by
- 8:31making the other person look bad.
- 8:33Gossip, slander about the offense.
- 8:36Now they do say sharing for testimony or getting why.
- 8:38Counsel can be different if done carefully, maybe even with the
- 8:41offender's knowledge, and definitely without malice.
- 8:44The key is your intention. Are you trying to harm or
- 8:47humiliate? And thirdly. 3rd, it applies to
- 8:50not dwelling on it yourself. Again, not erasing the memory,
- 8:54but actively sending the thought away.
- 8:55When it pops up and tempts you toward bitterness or resentment
- 8:58or planning payback, you redirect your thoughts.
- 9:01OK, but what if you keep getting reminded or or the person does
- 9:05something similar again? That's a great point.
- 9:07The sources acknowledge you'll likely encounter fresh elements
- 9:10of the same sin or just reminders life happens and each
- 9:14time that happens it's another opportunity for you to send it
- 9:17away. Afiami isn't A1 and done thing,
- 9:20it's ongoing. Like Jesus saying 70 * 7.
- 9:23Exactly like that. It's a continuous practice of
- 9:25actively releasing the offense every time it comes up.
- 9:28OK. So afiami is the act of letting
- 9:31go, sending away the negative stuff, the resentment, the
- 9:34desire for harm. That's one side.
- 9:37What's the second word? The second word is carrizomi.
- 9:39Carrizomi CHARIZOMAI and the sources describe this is giving
- 9:46graciously from the heart. What does that look like?
- 9:48Well, the verb itself means things like to do something
- 9:51pleasant or agreeable, to do a favor, to give, to grant, or to
- 9:55show oneself gracious. And where a Fiami comes from the
- 9:58mind's resolve, Charisma is presented as springing from the
- 10:02heart's affections. From the heart.
- 10:04Yes, the root word chiro means to rejoice or have joy.
- 10:09So the giving here is meant to be free, willing, gracious,
- 10:14flowing from a changed heart. And the illustration they use
- 10:17pizza of my heart or kid of my heart?
- 10:19That sounds a bit quirky. It does, but it's trying to
- 10:22capture that sense of giving freely from affection, giving
- 10:25something good from your core, even if it's towards someone who
- 10:28hurt you. This part of forgiveness
- 10:30involves actively moving towards the other person in love,
- 10:34kindness, grace, not staying distant.
- 10:37OK, so Afyami is sending the negative away from your mind and
- 10:40heart. Right.
- 10:41And charisma is moving towards them with a positive, gracious
- 10:44disposition from your heart. You got it.
- 10:46And the sources mentioned that often people only think of the
- 10:49first part. Afyami, they might stop nursing
- 10:52the grudge. But they don't do the second
- 10:53part. They don't move towards the
- 10:54person in love. That's often the case.
- 10:57They might achieve a kind of cold peace, but there's none of
- 11:00that positive, gracious movement that comes from the heart.
- 11:04Biblical forgiveness as shown here, needs both.
- 11:07Let's dig a bit deeper into applying Charisma.
- 11:10This moving towards Colossians 3.1214 is a passage the sources
- 11:15really focus on here. Right Colossians 3.
- 11:18That's where Paul tells believers, as God's chosen
- 11:21people wholly and dearly love to clothe themselves with
- 11:24compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, patience.
- 11:28Then it says, bear with each other and forgive one another.
- 11:31If any of you has a grievance against someone, and here's the
- 11:33standard, forgive as the Lord forgave you.
- 11:36Yes, and the sources point out that this command to forgive
- 11:39using a form of charisma means giving savor to the one who
- 11:42wronged you. And crucially, this favor isn't
- 11:44just for the undeserving, It's often for the ill deserved.
- 11:47I'll deserved meaning they actually deserve the opposite
- 11:49of. Favor.
- 11:50Pretty much. The command is given to the one
- 11:52who was hurt, regardless of whether the offender deserves it
- 11:54or has even repented, the sources say.
- 11:56Even if they don't deserve your favor, you are commanded to
- 11:58extend it anyway. Wow, favor for the ill deserved.
- 12:03That cuts right across our natural sense of fairness.
- 12:05Is this where that demolition contractor analogy comes in?
- 12:08It is. It's a really stark illustration
- 12:10meant to make us uncomfortable actually, to show us this idea
- 12:13of favor for the ill deserved and then hold it up as a mirror
- 12:16to God's grace towards us. Remind us of that analogy.
- 12:19OK, imagine a demolition guy accidentally tears down the
- 12:23wrong house and tragically the owner's son is killed in the
- 12:26process. Horrific mistake, terrible loss.
- 12:30Now the sources ask, what if the owner, despite this awful wrong,
- 12:33chose to pay the contractor for the demolition work?
- 12:36Pay him? That sounds completely crazy
- 12:38absurd. You expect anger lawsuits, not
- 12:41payment. It seems absurd in human terms,
- 12:44doesn't it? Favor towards someone who caused
- 12:46such harm and deserve, well, punishment or liability?
- 12:49And the sources used this to picture God's forgiveness of us.
- 12:51We weren't just undeserving, we were his enemies.
- 12:54We were dead in sin. We deserved his wrath.
- 12:56Death. We were the ill deserved.
- 12:58Absolutely. Yet while we were still sinners,
- 13:00Christ died for us. God extended the ultimate favor,
- 13:03His Son, to us. He paid the price for our sin,
- 13:06our destructive actions through Christ's sacrifice.
- 13:09So how we forgive others? It's not meant to be based on
- 13:13whether they deserve it by human standards.
- 13:15It's meant to mirror how God treated us when we were the ill
- 13:18deserved. That changes everything, doesn't
- 13:20it? It reframes the whole basis for
- 13:22our charisma. It's grounded in God's radical,
- 13:25costly grace to us. And Ephesians 4.3132 echoes
- 13:29this, also using Charisma. Ephesians 4.
- 13:31Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander
- 13:35along with every form of malice. That's the negative.
- 13:37Then verse 32 be kind and compassionate to one another,
- 13:40forgiving each other just as in Christ God forgave you.
- 13:43Right. And the sources look at that
- 13:45word compassionate or tender hearted.
- 13:46Literally, they say it means compassion from the gut.
- 13:49It's about seeing the other person not just as the one who
- 13:52hurt you, but maybe as as someone struggling in their own
- 13:55sin too, cultivating empathy, grace, even towards them.
- 13:58And doing these positive things, being kind, compassionate,
- 14:01forgiving Karzami is how you actually get rid of the
- 14:04bitterness and anger mentioned before.
- 14:06That's the idea. It's not passive waiting for bad
- 14:09feelings to go away. It's an active choice to move
- 14:12towards grace and that pushes the negativity out.
- 14:15It's an act of the will against our fleshly desires.
- 14:18It is, and the sources note this requires the Holy Spirit's help.
- 14:22We can't do this consistently in our own strength.
- 14:24That phrase in Christ in Ephesians 4.32 as God in Christ
- 14:29forgave you. That seems weighty too.
- 14:31Very it underscores that this kind of forgiveness, this
- 14:35charisma, it's going to cost you something, just like God's
- 14:37forgiveness cost him his son, extending favor.
- 14:40When you've been wronged, you won't feel fair.
- 14:42It often means absorbing a loss, letting go of what you feel they
- 14:45owe you. But the sources remind us, we
- 14:48cast our cares on God. We trust him.
- 14:51Vengeance is mine. I will repay, says the Lord.
- 14:53It's not on us to settle the score.
- 14:55That's God's job. And because Christ died for all
- 14:57sins, God's forgiveness is described as total and complete,
- 15:01not partial, not gradual. Right.
- 15:04And that completeness is the pattern for how we are to
- 15:06forgive others. OK, so we've looked at charisma,
- 15:08I moving towards in love based on God's grace to us.
- 15:12Let's circle back now to FEME sending the offense away.
- 15:17How do the sources show its necessity, especially regarding
- 15:20our relationship with God? Matthew 6.
- 15:22The Lord's Prayer comes up here. Yes, that line forgive us our
- 15:25debts as we also have forgiven our debtors, the source has
- 15:29explained. This doesn't mean our salvation
- 15:30depends on us forgiving others. Salvation is pure grace through
- 15:34Christ. But it does mean Jesus expects
- 15:36that a believer's regular walk with God, their communion will
- 15:39naturally involve granting forgiveness to others, should be
- 15:42a regular pattern. And Jesus double s down right
- 15:45after the prayer, doesn't he? Verses 14 and 15.
- 15:48If you don't forgive others, your Father won't forgive you.
- 15:51The source is called refusing to forgive.
- 15:53Hypocritical if you're asking God for forgiveness yourself.
- 15:56It is, and this leads to that crucial statement the sources
- 15:59make which needs careful handling.
- 16:01Horizontal unforgiveness indicates vertical
- 16:04unforgiveness. OK, break that down.
- 16:06Doesn't mean you lose your salvation if you struggle to
- 16:08forgive. Correct.
- 16:09The sources are very clear. Your union with God in Christ is
- 16:13permanent, secure. That's not what's at stake.
- 16:16So what is affected? Your communion, your fellowship
- 16:20with God, that day-to-day sense of closeness and openness.
- 16:24Unforgiveness creates tension, a strain like a wall in that
- 16:28relationship. OK, like the marriage
- 16:30illustration they use, you're still married union.
- 16:33But if there's unresolved bitterness, the fellowship is
- 16:36strained communion. Exactly that.
- 16:38There's an elephant in the room hindering intimacy.
- 16:42You're still God's child, but the experience of walking
- 16:44closely with him is Hanford. So when you come to God with
- 16:47unforgiveness, it's like he says, hang on, let's deal with
- 16:50his bitterness first. That's the idea the sources
- 16:52convey. It affects the freeness of that
- 16:54vertical relationship, resolving the horizontal unforgiveness.
- 16:58Applying affiami and Charisma helps restore that full
- 17:01communion. The parable The unforgiving
- 17:03servant in Matthew 18. That's another big one for
- 17:06illustrating. This yes, a very stark story.
- 17:08Peter asks Jesus, how many times should I forgive?
- 17:117 times thinking he's being really generous.
- 17:13And Jesus is. Not 7 times, but 70 * 7.
- 17:17Meaning basically don't keep count.
- 17:19Forgiveness should be unlimited. Then comes the parable.
- 17:23The servant owes the king this unbelievable amount. 10,000
- 17:26talents. An incalculable debt, the
- 17:28sources call it billions, maybe in today's money impossible to
- 17:33repay. But the king shows astonishing
- 17:36compassion and cancels the whole debt, just wipes it.
- 17:39Clean, Amazing Grace. But then.
- 17:41Then that same servant, fresh off receiving this incredible
- 17:44mercy, goes out and finds a fellow servant who owes him 100
- 17:47denarii. Which is what, a few months
- 17:49wages compared to billions? Tiny, insignificant in
- 17:53comparison, but the forgiven servant shows this shocking lack
- 17:57of mercy. He grabs the guy, demands
- 17:59payment now and throws him in prison over this small amount.
- 18:02And the king finds out. He does.
- 18:04He's furious. He calls the first servant
- 18:06wicked and hands him over to be tormented until he pays back the
- 18:09original impossible debt, which he never could.
- 18:12So the point is, the main point highlighted is because arson
- 18:16debt to God is like that massive unpayable 10,000 talents and any
- 18:22debt owed to us by others is like the tiny 100 denarii.
- 18:26Forgiveness ought to be an obvious natural response for
- 18:29anyone who understands the gospel.
- 18:32If we've received such huge mercy, how can we withhold small
- 18:35mercy? That's it.
- 18:36The ending is a serious warning about the spiritual danger of an
- 18:40unforgiving heart. And to picture what
- 18:42unforgiveness does inside us, the sources use that prison
- 18:45metaphor for Milton Vincent. Yes, it's a helpful image, the
- 18:48idea that when someone wrongs you, you can choose to lock them
- 18:52up in a kind of prison inside your own thoughts and emotions.
- 18:55And there are different security levels for this internal prison.
- 18:57Right. They describe maximum security,
- 19:00total refusal to forgive, cutting off contact, actively
- 19:03nursing anger, then medium security.
- 19:06Maybe you're speaking, but there's an emotional perimeter
- 19:08fence. Cordial but distant, no real
- 19:12warmth. And minimum security.
- 19:13Minimum security, often passive aggressive, right?
- 19:16You interact, but you keep a file on the offense, put them on
- 19:18probation, ready to bring it up subtly if they step out of line
- 19:21again. And the punch line of this
- 19:23metaphor, Who's really imprisoned?
- 19:25Often, the sources say, it's the offended person themselves,
- 19:29decaying in a pile of bitterness.
- 19:31Even if the offender is oblivious, holding on to the
- 19:34offense keeps you captive. So feme is like taking the keys.
- 19:38Taking the keys, opening the cell door and letting that
- 19:40person go free from your mind and heart.
- 19:43Sending the offense away, dropping the fence, releasing
- 19:47them from that internal jail. And in doing that, you're the
- 19:49one who actually gets set free. Free from the bitterness, the
- 19:52burden of maintaining that prison, yes.
- 19:54OK, so bringing FEMA and Charisma together, the sources
- 19:58give a practical summary. Two parts.
- 20:01One -1 positive. Right, the negative aspect,
- 20:04that's the affyemi part. I will not bring it up with the
- 20:07intention to harm or humiliate. And we cover that That applies
- 20:09to the offender, other people and yourself.
- 20:11Yeah, actively putting away ill will.
- 20:14And the positive aspect, the care is on my part.
- 20:17I will move towards you in love. Meaning choosing kindness,
- 20:21compassion, returning good for evil.
- 20:24Yes, now the sources add an important note of wisdom here,
- 20:27especially about the positive aspect.
- 20:29Moving towards you in love needs careful application in severe
- 20:32situations like abuse. Right, it doesn't automatically
- 20:36mean restoring the relationship or even close contact.
- 20:39No, in those cases, moving towards them in love might be
- 20:43more about an internal posture, releasing bitterness, genuinely
- 20:47wanting their good, praying for them.
- 20:49Perhaps, but maintaining safe boundaries is also crucial.
- 20:53Reconciliation is a separate two way St. involving trust and
- 20:56repentance. Unilateral forgiveness can
- 20:59happen even without it. That's a really necessary
- 21:01clarification. OK, now the sources dive into
- 21:04some common, often tricky questions about forgiveness.
- 21:06Let's tackle a few. Sounds good.
- 21:08First one, is forgiveness conditional or unconditional?
- 21:11This is debated right even among believers.
- 21:14Some say true forgiveness requires a transaction.
- 21:17The offender needs to confess and repent first.
- 21:19They might use phrases like forgiving in my heart or
- 21:22attitudinal forgiveness until that happens.
- 21:25Yes, that view exists. The sources present North Creek
- 21:28stance as generally unconditional, meaning they're
- 21:32OK calling the injured party's unilateral actions the FME and
- 21:35Kara Zoomai. We've discussed forgiveness, at
- 21:37least in part, even if the offender hasn't repented.
- 21:40So you, the offended person, are called to act unilaterally to
- 21:45send away the bitterness FME and move towards them in love Kara
- 21:50Zoomai. Regardless of their response,
- 21:52you can still call them to repent, but your forgiveness
- 21:54isn't dependent on them doing so.
- 21:56And it seems, regardless of the label, people use forgiveness or
- 21:59attitudinal forgiveness, the sources stress that if you've
- 22:03been sinned against, you have immediate work to do yourself.
- 22:05You have to deal with the bitterness and aim for a
- 22:07gracious heart. That's the common ground.
- 22:09The unilateral responsibility is clear.
- 22:11OK, next question, do I need to seek forgiveness for something
- 22:14hurtful but not sinful? The difference between hurt and
- 22:17sin? The sources say no.
- 22:19Strictly speaking, forgiveness is for sin, for breaking God's
- 22:22law. Asking for forgiveness means I
- 22:24sinned against you. Please don't hold it against me.
- 22:26But, and this is a big but, if you hurt someone, even without
- 22:30sinning, an apology is definitely needed.
- 22:32Saying I'm sorry that I hurt you.
- 22:34Taking responsibility for the impact.
- 22:36Right. Acknowledging the pain you
- 22:38caused. The sources use an example of
- 22:41sarcasm. Maybe not intended as sin, but
- 22:43it hurts. Someone apologizing shows
- 22:46compassion, tender heartedness, even if you don't confess it as
- 22:49sin. OK.
- 22:50Third question, is it possible or necessary to forgive
- 22:55yourself? The sources are very direct
- 22:57here. No biblical support.
- 22:59None. And the reasoning?
- 23:00The reasoning is that trying to forgive yourself actually trusts
- 23:04and elevates self instead of relying completely on God's
- 23:07promises and provision for forgiveness in Christ.
- 23:09It sort of implies God's way, the cross, His declaration of
- 23:12pardon isn't quite enough. Like you need to add your own
- 23:15act of self forgiveness to really seal the deal.
- 23:18I see it suggests God's forgiveness is inadequate
- 23:20somehow. That's the concern raised.
- 23:23Receiving God's forgiveness is presented as a matter of
- 23:25trusting His promises, not achieving a certain feeling, or
- 23:29performing an act of self absolution.
- 23:32When God Forgives and cleanses you through Christ, the work is
- 23:35totally complete. There's nothing left for you to
- 23:37add. So instead of trying to forgive
- 23:39yourself, what's the biblical response to guilt over your own
- 23:42sin? Simple.
- 23:43Repent and confess. Confess to God and to others if
- 23:46needed, trustfully in His finished work.
- 23:49That's the path to freedom from guilt God provides.
- 23:52OK, 4th question. Will all consequences be removed
- 23:56when forgiveness is received? Again, a clear no from the
- 23:58sources. Forgiveness deals with the
- 24:00spiritual debt and relational break before God and helps heal
- 24:03your heart, but it doesn't magically erase natural, legal
- 24:07or relational consequences. Make a biblical example.
- 24:09Yes, Moses was forgiven but didn't enter the promised Land.
- 24:13David was forgiven but faced terrible family consequences.
- 24:17The thief on the cross was forgiven but still died
- 24:19physically. Forgiving someone who committed
- 24:21a crime doesn't mean you shouldn't report it or that they
- 24:23shouldn't face legal consequences.
- 24:25Forgiveness and earthly consequences can coexist.
- 24:28Got it. 5th question Does God require you to forgive and
- 24:33forget? Another no.
- 24:34Scripture nowhere requires you to have a blank memory.
- 24:39God himself chooses not to remember our sins against us,
- 24:42meaning he won't hold them against us anymore based on
- 24:45Christ. It's an active choice, not
- 24:47literal forgetting. And our memories can even be
- 24:49useful sometimes. Yes, for learning, for wisdom,
- 24:52for training in righteousness. As the sources put it.
- 24:55The goal isn't erasing the memory, but removing the sting,
- 24:58the bitterness attached to it. 6th Is it necessary to forgive
- 25:02God? The sources are emphatic.
- 25:04No, absolutely not. Why so strong?
- 25:06They say the idea is unbiblical. It assaults God's holiness
- 25:10because it implies God's sinned and needs our forgiveness.
- 25:13It ignores his sovereignty and His good purposes even in
- 25:16suffering. And ultimately it exalts self,
- 25:20putting us in the position of judging God.
- 25:22OK, absolutely not. Final question and a common one.
- 25:24What about not feeling like forgiving?
- 25:27This loops back to the beginning.
- 25:29The sources firmly repeat, forgiveness is not based on your
- 25:33feelings or emotions. It's a decision, an act of the
- 25:36will, obedience rooted in gospel truth.
- 25:39They use that Barbara Hughes story.
- 25:41Yes, her alcoholic father humiliated her publicly when she
- 25:44was young. Deep pain, obviously.
- 25:46But understanding the gospel, she made the decision to forgive
- 25:49him right then, even though her feelings were completely
- 25:51contrary. The decision came first.
- 25:53The decision came first based on God's grace to her.
- 25:57The feelings followed later as a result of obedience.
- 26:00So pulling all this together, this deep dive into your
- 26:03material, shows us that biblical forgiveness isn't passive.
- 26:07It's an active, costly choice. And it's completely rooted in
- 26:11the gospel, in what God did for us first.
- 26:13It involves both that active release sending the offence
- 26:16away, Fiami, and the active movement towards the person in
- 26:19love and grace carries away. Yeah.
- 26:21And it's clear it's not dependent on the other person's
- 26:24response or how we feel at the moment.
- 26:25It doesn't erase consequences. It's not about forgiving
- 26:28ourselves or God. And it requires the help of the
- 26:30Spirit. It flows from realizing the
- 26:32massive, undeserved forgiveness we've received in Christ.
- 26:36The spiritual outcome of practicing this?
- 26:37Well, it's huge. It's presented as vital for
- 26:40keeping that healthy communion with God.
- 26:43Unforgiveness creates that vertical tension hindering
- 26:46fellowship. And that prison metaphor, it
- 26:49really shows that applying A Femi letting go is the way to
- 26:52find freedom yourself. Freedom from bitterness.
- 26:55Holding on just keeps you locked up.
- 26:57Applying the gospel truths to our pain.
- 27:00Preaching those 7 concepts to our own hearts when we're
- 27:03wronged. Really grasping the debt God
- 27:05cancelled for us. That's what motivates and
- 27:08enables us to forgive, even when it's incredibly difficult, Even
- 27:12when it feels totally unfair, because we're mirroring the
- 27:16grace we received. It really is a core part of
- 27:19living out who we are as forgiven people.
- 27:22Understanding this helps us grasp our union with Christ and
- 27:27walk more closely with Him day by day.
- 27:29The sources are clear. Memories might stick around.
- 27:32The goal isn't to wipe the slate clean mentally, but with the
- 27:35Spirit's help to actively send the offense away and choose to
- 27:39extend grace just like God did for us.
- 27:41It really makes you stop and think, doesn't it?
- 27:43If God's forgiveness of your own staggering debt, the debt that
- 27:46cost his son's life, if that's the standard, how does that
- 27:49reality reshape your view of the much smaller debts others owe
- 27:52you? That's something to ponder as
- 27:54you reflect on this material yourself, and as you seek to
- 27:57live these truths out. Thank you for letting us take
- 27:59this deep dive with you today. Until next time.