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Back to the Board Room with Rachel Recchia (The Perfect Match Recap) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Almost Famous podcast. I'm here, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm here with an incredible co host. She's a special guest,
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  Speaker 2: a friend of the podcast, been on so many times
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  Speaker 2: that I can't even count, And the star of this
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  Speaker 2: recent season of The Perfect Match, Rachel Rekia, was with
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  Speaker 2: me today. Hello Rachel, Hi Ben.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I would say star star, especially
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  Speaker 3: with the entrance I had.
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  Speaker 2: You're a star. You're a very big star on the show.
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  Speaker 2: You are a reason that people tuned in and watched.
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  Speaker 2: You are a reason, if not the reason that we're
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  Speaker 2: even talking about it here on the Almost Famous podcast.
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  Speaker 2: So millions a free press coming to Perfect Match based
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  Speaker 2: on you being a part of the show.
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  Speaker 3: I know, me and Clayton are really just bringing in
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  Speaker 3: the masses. Yeah, and everyone who's not a part of
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  Speaker 3: atchination gets to now know about that. So now more
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  Speaker 3: of the world can go look up the rest ceremony
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  Speaker 3: from hell on you two and be a part of
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  Speaker 3: it with us. So that's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: We did take a break from breaking down Perfect Match.
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  Speaker 2: We had some huge Bachelor news coming in along with
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  Speaker 2: obviously summer travels, So when I was in Italy, I
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  Speaker 2: finished the perfect match and then got back and we
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  Speaker 2: plan on today to kind of recap from episode five
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  Speaker 2: to the end of the season with you, Rachel. But
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  Speaker 2: before we get going, there has been some big news
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  Speaker 2: in Bachelor Nation. We have a new bachelorette announced. Taylor
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  Speaker 2: Frankie Paul was announced last week as the upcoming season's bachelorette.
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  Speaker 2: We'd love to get your reactions, your thoughts, your opinions.
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  Speaker 3: I was shocked, right, It's so crazy. They never like
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  Speaker 3: have done anything like this before. Obviously so happy for her,
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  Speaker 3: like I think she's going to give us a great season.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just funny because I feel like as people
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  Speaker 3: who are in the Bachelor world and as people who
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  Speaker 3: are chosen to be leads, it's like, I feel like
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  Speaker 3: we have this standard to live up to in this
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  Speaker 3: like pressure to be perfect, and I feel like Taylor
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  Speaker 3: is just so herself and she's so like already out
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  Speaker 3: there like that she isn't perfect. So it'll be interesting
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  Speaker 3: how the world reacts going in already knowing that versus
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  Speaker 3: like watching us fall from grace during the season. But
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  Speaker 3: yeh know, it'll be interesting. I think especially like where
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  Speaker 3: are they going to be filming it? Like are the
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  Speaker 3: kids going to be involved? I'm excited to see all
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  Speaker 3: that goes into that.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think Bachelor Nation is going to receive for
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  Speaker 2: Will I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I hope so, but it just feels like for us
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  Speaker 3: or I don't know how you feel. Everyone I've talked
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  Speaker 3: to recently from the Bachelor world, especially like coming off
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  Speaker 3: of Perfect Match, where I think contestants on those shows
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  Speaker 3: like have more freedom to themselves. Bachelor people feel so
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  Speaker 3: like under pressure to constantly be perfect. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you feel that way, And I think she's just
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  Speaker 3: coming in you know so herself.
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  Speaker 2: I mean my tagline for the season was the perfect Ben,
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I think I did feel that pressure.
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  Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting because I feel like some of
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  Speaker 3: bachlination does expect that, right, But maybe this brings in
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  Speaker 3: a new audience, new generation.
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  Speaker 2: It's been a very polarizing announcement based on Taylor's past,
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  Speaker 2: her decision making, obviously her you know record. I am
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  Speaker 2: intrigued to watch it from Afar to see how Bachelor
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  Speaker 2: Nation reacts to it. I do think for her sake
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  Speaker 2: and I want to get your advice if she ever listens.
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  Speaker 2: I do think for her sake, there is a benefit
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  Speaker 2: to going in already having a platform built on not
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  Speaker 2: being perfect and having a lot of mistakes along the way,
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  Speaker 2: because she won't have to kind of have those dark
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  Speaker 2: nights sitting in your hotel room once the cameras go down,
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  Speaker 2: being like what am I doing?
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  Speaker 3: Hot?
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  Speaker 2: Why did I do that? She can kind of be free,
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  Speaker 2: which I think will make it more enjoyable for her.
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  Speaker 2: But I'd love to get your advice, bachelorette to bachelorette
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  Speaker 2: on how she can do this well. And still I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to still say it because I think it's still
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  Speaker 2: the reason the show exists. Could still find love at
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  Speaker 2: the end of this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I always say this, but I'm not the
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  Speaker 3: person for advice, Like I'm probably the just do the
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  Speaker 3: opposite of what I did, and I think she will
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  Speaker 3: because I think I was a bachelorette that came from
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  Speaker 3: a place of like I was so afraid to mess
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  Speaker 3: up and make mistakes, and I don't feel like I
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  Speaker 3: was really being myself. So I think, if anything, I
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  Speaker 3: could take advice from her in that way. But I
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  Speaker 3: I guess the only thing is, like I'm interested to
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  Speaker 3: see how she responds to the men not knowing what
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  Speaker 3: it's like to be in their position. I think as
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  Speaker 3: a lead when they would come up to me and say, no,
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  Speaker 3: but you don't understand what I'm going through, and I'm
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  Speaker 3: be like, yes, I do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that was such a moment to connect
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  Speaker 3: with them and let them know that I've been there before.
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  Speaker 3: So it'll be interesting because in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 3: these guys do have to step up for her. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: she is a mother, and she you know, lives in Utah.
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  Speaker 3: She has things that she's not going to change, so
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  Speaker 3: I think she needs to remember to relate back to them,
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  Speaker 3: and I think she will, So I'm excited to see
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  Speaker 3: how she handles that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you think she will. I think it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be really hard for her too, You think so, I do.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't get it. I mean, I think that is
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  Speaker 2: you said. And this isn't a knock on her or
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  Speaker 2: a critique of her. I think other people and I
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  Speaker 2: think we've heard the critiques of her, but a critique
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  Speaker 2: of her would not be that, hey, she's not gonna
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  Speaker 2: get it. It's just the truth. She doesn't understand this
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  Speaker 2: world and you're right. The thing that helped me the
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  Speaker 2: most was to pull back to a place of empathy
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  Speaker 2: and relatability, because there is this initial when you're the lead.
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  Speaker 2: I think people have watched you on television, so there
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  Speaker 2: is a little bit of that initial star power. It
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  Speaker 2: only gonna last more than a night when people are
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  Speaker 2: nervous and they're anxious, and you can kind of have
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  Speaker 2: be calm because you've been through it and say, no,
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  Speaker 2: I get it, I understand this. I understand why you're nervous.
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  Speaker 2: I understand why you're saying weird stuff. I understand why
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  Speaker 2: you drink more than you probably should have on night
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  Speaker 2: one because you were trying to calm everything going on
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  Speaker 2: in your body. She won't get that, right, And I
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  Speaker 2: think that is a huge benefit to being the lead
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  Speaker 2: is you can understand that, right.
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  Speaker 3: And like, I mean, I'm sure in her real life
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  Speaker 3: she has dated, you know, probably more than one person
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, like I haven't, y'all. But I
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  Speaker 3: think coming into the Bachelor like really having to figure
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  Speaker 3: out a place in your brain that you can compartmentalize
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  Speaker 3: each and every relationship and give it the time it deserves.
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  Speaker 3: Without having known that, like you could be on the
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  Speaker 3: other side of that, or what it looks like to
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  Speaker 3: be patient and knowing that it's possible to have multiple connections.
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  Speaker 3: It'll be so interesting to watch from that point of
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  Speaker 3: view as well, like can she do that, can she
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  Speaker 3: take her mind off the guy she really likes? Or
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, we'll see. I'm very excited it'll be
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  Speaker 3: a good season.
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  Speaker 2: It will be a good season. I feel personally like
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  Speaker 2: it was the Bachelor trying to hit a home run,
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  Speaker 2: and if the home run falls short, I am going
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  Speaker 2: to be very intrigued with how they move forward from
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  Speaker 2: this season. If it isn't the successful season they think
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be, They're gonna put a lot behind it.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're laying all their chips on the table
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  Speaker 2: and they pick Taylor Frankie Paul to be the lead
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  Speaker 2: of this season. Well, moving on from the Bachelor talk,
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  Speaker 2: we do have the perfect match to break down. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to start with episode five. Rachel, you lived it,
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  Speaker 2: you were there.
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  Speaker 3: I was there, and I'm trying to look up like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: what happened to day?
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  Speaker 2: So it starts with Sandy bringing in her ex from
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  Speaker 2: the ultimatum JR. JR. Kind of then has it consistent
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  Speaker 2: popping in and out for the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 2: But this is the first time we get to know JR. Rachel,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to put you on the spot here
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  Speaker 2: at all. You're co hosting this with me. But what
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  Speaker 2: was your from a viewers perspective? For me? I watched JR.
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  Speaker 2: And she kept saying he's a real man. He obviously is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know him well enough to say he's not,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's a grown man. I think was the
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  Speaker 2: way she said it. He felt to me like he
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  Speaker 2: tried to say all the right things at every moment
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  Speaker 2: and it never really worked out for him. From him,
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  Speaker 2: for him, Why wasn't more people interested in JR?
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  Speaker 3: I think, I mean JR. When he first came in,
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  Speaker 3: like obviously you're like, oh my goodness, he's so beautiful
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  Speaker 3: and he is so kind and sweet. But I never
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  Speaker 3: had a date with him. But from what I watched
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  Speaker 3: back and from what I heard, I feel like he
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  Speaker 3: maybe is a little forward, like jumping so far ahead,
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  Speaker 3: but like his like time with Sandy's time with Justine,
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  Speaker 3: like even in those little moments, it just feels like
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  Speaker 3: he might be a little too sexual. And I think
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  Speaker 3: for a woman like you want him to get to
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  Speaker 3: know you a little or like have an interest in you,
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  Speaker 3: And it felt like he went straight into kind of
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  Speaker 3: maybe things that were a little bit too much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's the vibe I got from the women who did
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  Speaker 3: date him. I do like JR. But he definitely is
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's no like. He doesn't slow roll this
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  Speaker 2: at all.
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  Speaker 3: He's zero to one hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it probably mean he is a
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  Speaker 2: very beautiful man. I'm sure it works for him. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it's the way to find love, right,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sure it works for you know, a good
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  Speaker 2: night out on the town every once in a while.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, because Jar's been married actually yeah, yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: he you know, I think he had that part in
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  Speaker 3: his life already where he's settled down. Maybe now this
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  Speaker 3: is where he's more care free and like living that
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  Speaker 3: like younger life. I don't know, He's interesting, for sure,
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  Speaker 3: He's a character.
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  Speaker 2: Was there ever a moment that I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: to pull out during this breakdown? Because we do have
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  Speaker 2: so many episodes of breakdown, like the interesting things that
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  Speaker 2: I think listeners will be so curious about asking you
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  Speaker 2: and talking through with you from being there, But was
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  Speaker 2: there ever a moment where you actually were worried that
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  Speaker 2: Ad would jump ship and move on?
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  Speaker 3: So it's really really hard looking back now because Ad
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  Speaker 3: and Allie are so happy. They have a baby on the.
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  Speaker 2: Way and they're still together.
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  Speaker 3: Right, They're still together and they're engaged, Like their love
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  Speaker 3: story is truly like amazing, and I was so happy
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  Speaker 3: to get to see it. So looking back, of course,
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  Speaker 3: my mind always goes to, like, no, there was no
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  Speaker 3: way she was going to jump shit. But that morning
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  Speaker 3: before me and her went on a date, I remember
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  Speaker 3: she was like, I would be open, and this is
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  Speaker 3: so early and I would like to see who else's here.
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  Speaker 3: So I think in the moment, yeah, she probably was open.
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  Speaker 3: But looking back and knowing that they're engaged now, like
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  Speaker 3: she probably, you know, wasn't She probably knew that Ali
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  Speaker 3: was the one. But that morning, yeah, she seemed open
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  Speaker 3: before we went out up date.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually felt watching it that she was open
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  Speaker 2: at the beginning of the day, especially after seeing him,
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  Speaker 2: But then there was kind of a moment where I
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  Speaker 2: felt like she got uncomfortable. I don't know if that's true,
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  Speaker 2: I would assume, so yeah, I think she was. He
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  Speaker 2: was like saying some stuff and she was like like, huh,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's cute, and I'm glad you're talking about like
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  Speaker 2: liking watching me from behind walking like that's a nice
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And when he got back to the house, I
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  Speaker 3: can't remember if it was in the episode or not,
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  Speaker 3: but he sat down and we were all talking about
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  Speaker 3: our dates, and during his recap to the group of
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  Speaker 3: what they did, he was like, oh, you know, Ad
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  Speaker 3: like has and tits and we were like everyone was
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  Speaker 3: so shocked. Like Ollie was right next to him, like
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  Speaker 3: he is so forward. So I think Ad appreciates that
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, but maybe not like on the first date.
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  Speaker 2: Right, yeah, sure, how did How does how do you handle?
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  Speaker 2: This bachelor? Is so different? But how do you handle
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  Speaker 2: being with somebody? Say you're in Allie's position, h You're
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  Speaker 2: sitting there hearing this, and I think Ali has a
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  Speaker 2: little bit in his heart of like, this is my girl,
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  Speaker 2: and you're starting to build that feeling of like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I'm protecting this girl. This girl is with me, and
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  Speaker 2: he's hearing this guy talk about her like that, Like
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  Speaker 2: how do you hold?
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  Speaker 3: He was very well behaved that night, especially because I
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  Speaker 3: mean the boys were very overprotective and you know, they
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  Speaker 3: were guarding what was there. So I think what Ad
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  Speaker 3: was looking for going into that day was seeing if
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  Speaker 3: Ollie could behave and be patient with her and not
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  Speaker 3: freak out. So I think he knew he was being
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  Speaker 3: tested and he did pass.
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  Speaker 2: So Okay, well this moves us into the work.
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  Speaker 3: That poll competition, Oh yeah, that was so fun.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about it. I mean I felt like
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  Speaker 2: it was probably a failed competition. Honestly, it felt so
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  Speaker 2: hard that it wasn't doing what the show hoped it did,
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  Speaker 2: meaning it just felt like it lasted a long time.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody was really that good at it. But walk us
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  Speaker 2: through this challenge because if anything, it was creative.
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  Speaker 3: It was so much fun. And this was the first
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  Speaker 3: time I actually got to do a challenge on a
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  Speaker 3: reality show. I was in the kissing challenge the before, right,
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  Speaker 3: but that just felt like Bachelor. I'm like, this is
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: the first time I actually got to do like a
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  Speaker 3: survivor challenge. And for me, all I could think about
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  Speaker 3: was like, don't fall into the water. And so I
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: think a lot of the girls were just like holding
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  Speaker 3: on for dear life and the boys were trying to
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  Speaker 3: move the platform and it was so heavy and just
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: the aero dynamics of it just fell off. It felt
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of work just to get a couple
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  Speaker 3: of the balls out, maybe the holes like we're a
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  Speaker 3: little too small. But actually Louis was so good at it.
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  Speaker 3: He figured it out in like ten seconds and then
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  Speaker 3: he just jumped off the platform.
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  Speaker 2: Why was that, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: He he goes, I want to go in the water,
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  Speaker 3: and he jumps off, and Sandy was just sitting up there.
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  Speaker 3: But then yeah, Daniel and Lucy ended up figuring it out,
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  Speaker 3: but everyone else it was so difficult. It really was hard.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Do you like We just got done with the Bachelor
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: and Paradise reunion show last week? We went at to
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  Speaker 2: LA and talked all the couples that are together, and
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: then we got to talk to Wells and kind of explained.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Wells was talking about the competition side of Paradise this
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: year and how he actually would love to keep that.
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  Speaker 2: There's other things I think in the season that he
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: would say, hey, we could go without or we could
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  Speaker 2: change it up now, but the competition side, it felt
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: like every cast member and including Wells, were really in
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: favor of it. Did you like them the challenges? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: I think the challenges bring something to that relationship. I
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: think you bond really quick and you get to have
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  Speaker 3: something that you do together because I just met Scott
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  Speaker 3: going into that challenge the night before and so doing
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  Speaker 3: that together it kind of bonds you. It was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fun. I hope they keep it in Bachelor
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  Speaker 3: compared us as well. I think it's a fun element,
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  Speaker 3: like we do challenges on group dates during The Bachelor,
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  Speaker 3: so bringing in something else kind of helped they.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously you just mentioned Daniel and Lucy won this competition.
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  Speaker 2: I had never seen the perfect match, but things change
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  Speaker 2: at this moment for the first time, the boardroom no
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  Speaker 2: longer is what we know as before. Nick explains that
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  Speaker 2: what they get to do is they get to send
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  Speaker 2: people from the two most compatible couples on dates, but
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: only one guy and one girl, and so the other
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: couple will be sent home the person and the other
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  Speaker 2: couple will be sent home.
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  Speaker 3: Big twist, yes, and a necessary one.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: I think the producers, because for I don't know, the
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: producing style for Perfect matches a lot less. It's very
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: hands off, like they kind of let us do whatever.
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  Speaker 3: We want, And I think when they were in that position,
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  Speaker 3: no one was switching, and no one switched all season really,
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  Speaker 3: and they really kind of needed other people to have
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity to come in the house or maybe have
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: other couples get to know people, and people were not
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: open or doing it. So I think that was kind
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: of something that they decided to do last minute because
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: it just needed something.
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  Speaker 2: Is this common in the Perfect Match that people don't
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  Speaker 2: skip around or.
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  Speaker 3: They said it was in the beginning. They said the
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  Speaker 3: season before that people weren't like recoupling, but I think
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: our season even less. So it'll be interesting how they
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: do season four.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does seem like and it's the beauty of
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: a show like this. It actually was a big turning
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: point for me as a viewer. I started watching episode
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: one and I was like, this is hilarious. And I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: think I said it to you the first time you're on.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: I said, Rachel, i've seen the previews for this thing.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you're going to do this well,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: because I mean, if you're a somebody who's single and
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: just wants to get out there and make out with
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: a bunch of people and be on the beach with
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: a bunch of good looking people and flirt, flop around
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: and sleep in the bed and do anything you want
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: to do. This is the perfect show for you. And
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: it was for like five episodes it was that a
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Even then, yeah, barely, not at least not with different people.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: The boys of course decide to like go off the
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: rails at some point, but for the most part it
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: was very like Coupled In, Locked In more so than
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: any show I've been on. So it was. Yeah, I
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: think if anything very like tame in a way like
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: it could have been a lot worse.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Do they want it? Do you feel like they want
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: it to be worse?
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: No? I don't think they want it to be worse,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: but I think they want I mean, there is a
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: TV element of it, and I think as an audience,
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: like as a viewer, I would want to see if, oh,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: if these people have a better connection, why don't they
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: switch or why don't they try to date other people?
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: But they don't. Everyone just kind of matches up. I
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: was the only one who's switching all season, so it's interesting. Yeah,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I think they wanted to see maybe some more people
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: go out of their comfort zone a little bit.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you did mention you were a Scott at this point,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: and you will say that you were switching all season?
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Is that just because you didn't feel like you were
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: with somebody that you're that confident in.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: I just feel like, for me, I know it's possible
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: to have multiple connections. So I was lucky in that.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: But I guess because I came in late, I had
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: a bit of an advantage because Scott ended up going
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to the pool party and I mean, we're jumping all over,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: but like doing something that I didn't really want. When
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I found out he lied to me the next morning,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: there was still a moment where we were like, are
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: we going to rematch? But at the end of the day,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't need that, Like I haven't
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: been locked in with you since day one, so we
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: decided to split up. Whereas couples who were there from
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: day one, maybe they felt more bonded that they couldn't
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: do that. So I don't know. Maybe because I came
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: in late, what are you.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Doing on this show when you're not on in the villa?
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Oh? Like when you come in late, so you it's
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: like paradise. I came in the day before and then
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: you're in the hotel. But I was only there for
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: a day because I went in. I was fortunate when
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: in the first day I got there basically, but yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: everyone hangs out at the hotel.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: They got to go to the pool, no way.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with the handler, they got to go to the pool,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: go out to dinners. They were treated so well, you
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: get an iPad with Netflix.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Goodness, that's smart. Yeah. That was one of my favorite times.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: When I was a contestant on The Bachelor at Nick
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and Sean were doing their thing and fighting for like
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: a week, and the show pretty much pulled me out
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: and they said, how about you just take a little
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: side trip to this town with a handler where nobody's
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: going to know you're here, and just go out to
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: dinners and bars and pubs.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And have fun and you got special treatment. I did, Yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I never did.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: It was awesome. I knew I was going home and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is great. This is I'm getting
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: to see Eileen for the for the real deal, without
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: paying for it.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: This is so nice, right, it's like ani vacation.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It is. Well, we're going to go into episode six now,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: obviously we start with the boardroom and just explained what
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the rules were for this boardroom. Nick comes out, you're
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: here at the villa at this point or the home
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: when it's explained kind of what's going to happen. Couple
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: are going to go on dates. The one doesn't get
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: chosen is actually going to be leaving the house. Mattison
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: is sitting on a date, Freddie has to go to
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the house, and then also a d has to leave,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: and Ali is going to go on a date some
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: emotional time. You just said it was necessary to switch
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: things up. What's the vibe in the house at this point?
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I mean it was so sad, of course, like I'm
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: just saying necessary from a production point of view, being
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: in the house seeing a d leave was so sad.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: She was distraught. Freddie like he did not want to
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: leave Madison. It was a rough vibe in the house
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: for sure, I of course didn't want this to happen,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: but like I see why they did it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, were you? I mean there's like at this point
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: your friends you're consoling and it feels very helpless. I'm
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: sure in a lot of ways too, where you're like
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: you love this dude, you like this dude at this
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: point and You're just being forced to leave based on
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: somebody else's decision, not any decision that the couple has made, And.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: We didn't know at the time if or when they
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: were coming back. Yeah, we were like, it could have
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: been a week, we could have recoupled and had challenges
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: with the new people, so we didn't know how long
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: it would be gone. It was. It was tough.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: But Oli goes on a date with Justine from Love
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Island and Olivia from Temptation Island. Madison goes on a
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: date with Jalen from Too Hot to Handle, and this
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: is where we get introduced to Ray from Love Island.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I can't tell Rachel watching it if it is just
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the way the camera and the team works it. But
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: these dates always seem to go pretty well. We didn't
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: really have a date this season where I'm like, oh,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: this isn't obvious, not gonna work out kind of scenario.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I was on edge every date that they might stay
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: with these people.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I know, I think, I mean, it's so much fun
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: and everyone wanted to give the people coming in a
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: chance a good time. But I think there is an
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: element of course, of like making it look like they're
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: not gonna go back to their original partner. But yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: the dates with Madison and Ollie for sure looked like
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: they could have been swayed.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: When everybody comes back to the house, give us kind
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: of a sneak peek at what this is like when
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you have new people in turn. Especially in this moment,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: it does seem to go I don't know if it
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: was directly related, but it does seem to cause chaos
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: during this episode and a lot of emotions from a
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: lot of people because there are new people coming in.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: We're getting further along in this season. Some of your
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: best friends have just been sent home. I mean, we
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: see tears from Sandy here, we see tears from Lucy here.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Is that just part of the new people coming in
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: or is just what's.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Happening like when they first left.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they all come back to the villa. All
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the new people come back to the villa. Lucy and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Daniel's situation is a little different because he says she's oh,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: because I was.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Gonna say they got in a fight that night. They
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: got That's why she was crying.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, And then Louis is kind of on edge because
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of Sandy flirting, I think, and then Sandy gets upset
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that night with the tears, I think those
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: recoupling everyone was very on edge. Always as far as
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Lucy and Daniel. Daniel would try to fight with Lucy
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: every single day and I think she cried majority of
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the time, which is so so sad. But with Sandy
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: and Louie that night, I think they always had an
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: interesting dynamic where I think they would both flirt with
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: other people to get each other jealous, and it was
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: just something that they did. And I think that night
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: Sandy was like, you know, you've been on this date
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: with Alex and you have had your time to explore,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: so I'm going to talk to Jalen, and you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: he just got angry. I think she was quurting. But
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: never that night was there a second where I thought
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Sandy would switch over to Jalen.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You never thought that.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: No. I think eventually, like down the road she was like,
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: oh he is attractive, like you know, things like that,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: But in that moment she was so locked in with
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Louie and I don't think there was a chance.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Now helped me rem member here, it's been a week
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and a half. Yes, this evening, you still matched with
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Scott Lay was obviously there. He goes home with Olivia,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Alie matches with Justine. At this moment, we feel like
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: new couples are forming. But you stayed with Scott.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Why so at the time, Well, I actually didn't speak
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: to Ray that night. I didn't talk to him aut all.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I did talk to Jalen. It's funny because I did
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: watch it back and it looked like I was like
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: trying to flirt with Jalen. And it's so funny because
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I sat down with him and immediately I was like, oh,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: just so you know, like I'm going to match with
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Scott tonight, like we're hitting it off. But I think
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: at the time I really did like Scott actually, which
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: is funny. He was so different from anyone who've ever dated,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: and I wanted to give it a chance to see
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: if it worked. I didn't want to just switch the
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: first week, and I didn't go on a date or anything.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't know Jalen or so I was liking where
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: things were. What's gone.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Actually, this is the first episode, the full episode where
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Clayton isn't involved at all. Yes, that obviously becomes Rachel.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: I think we talked about this. I think I even
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: made a joke to you. I'm sorry that I did this.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I said, this isn't going to happen, right, and you
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: like stop and I was like, gosh, dang it. Okay,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: but you.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Knew I would do that, Like, let's not be surprised
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: that I made a bad decision. I always make a
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: bad decision.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I was just hopeful you know me
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: better than that lessons have been learned, But I guess
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I guess they have learned them now. Yeah, could just
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: wait till next season when you get caught into a
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: new show.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: And he's back again.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: He's back. What is it about Clayton that draws you in?
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Okay? I know that people think it's like I'm obsessed
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: with him, but I think it really was in this situation.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I think the fact that I've always thought that he
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: made a mistake, and I've always felt this like unfinished,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: like not having any closure with him really, and then
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: being in this environment it's exactly like how we met.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: There's like a camera in our face. It feels so familiar,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: and he was the only person there I knew, like
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I didn't know anyone else there, so it just felt
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: like something familiar and It wasn't like I'm like, oh
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: my god, let's get married right now. I was just
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: open to seeing what happened. And then I just got
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: pissed at him because I'm like, you're the one person
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I can trust, and you did this on purpose. I
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: thought he was doing it on purpose to hurt me.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of why it happened.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: So was there actually a chance when we did the
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: almost famous event in Pebble Beach, like a few months
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: after your first time, well, you guys hadn't really spoken
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: since he you know, said goodbye to the first time.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Was there actually cause I always took that. I mean
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I was there. We were like filming a commercial outside.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: You guys were inside. I remember being like, that's just funny.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: They're just flirting and this is not going to be
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a thing. But now I could have been wrong, like
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you were looking at it being like, no, maybe this
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: could be a thing again.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I think that time was mostly that was the first
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: time we've seen each other since AFR and since I
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: had been a lead, and so I think seeing him
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: that day was really just being like, okay, I understand
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: kind of where you were coming from, and being able
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: to actually get to a place to be like, okay,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: we're good and so I feel like that day or
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: that time, it was more of us just being like okay,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: like we're in a really really good place now, but
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: of course, like you know, who knows, and now we know.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now we know. Goodness.
• 30:00
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• 30:01
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• 30:04
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• 30:05
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• 30:08
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• 30:11
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• 30:12
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• 30:15
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• 30:18
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• 31:03
  Speaker 2: All Right, So he apologizes to you on episode five. Uh,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I know that you've talked about this a ton. Did
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: that apology feel like? You're? Kind of being on these
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: shows is so weird because you live episode by episode.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: You're talking and doing interviews episode by episode, and so
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: when you guys split apart or when he says no
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: more to you, you know you're upset. But then we
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: see in this episode he apologizes and it feels like
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: there's some reconciliation and healing. Was there or are you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: still fuming?
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously I was embarrassed. I don't know if
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why were you embarrassed?
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Because I think that was this moment or like that
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: moment the night before that was what everyone wanted me
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: to do the first time, right, like no and walk
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: away like you don't get to do this to me?
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: And I knew that moment was like in front of
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: me to have and I chose to not do it,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: to give it a chance, and then he did the
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: same thing. So it was like, oh, like, it was
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: just embarrassing that I thought that he wouldn't do that again,
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: and just thinking about what the world would say and
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: what my family and friends would say, but you would say,
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: just like knowing people would be disappointed in me, that
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: was mainly it. And then I had the night to
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: sleep on it. I'd gone on my date and realized like, okay,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: like it was just embarrassment. It's not coming from a
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: place of like hatred or anything like that. So we
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: did say I'm sorry to one another and moved on
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: for the time. Obviously, since that we've had a bit
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: of a tiff. But yeah, at the time, it felt
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: like we were like, okay, worse by We're good.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like you have every right to be tiffing
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: with him. I think he should be crawling back to
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: you being like I am so sorry that I did
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: this again.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, Clayton, he's not here, yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: And well so yeah, so why in the world did
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you think it was going to be a different kid?
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you can move on. We see
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: him leave the house. It feels like a closure moment
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: for you. Even though Clayton pops up again this season.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: He shows up, I was worried. I was watching, and
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I was worried.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: We'ren't worried. I barely talked to him that day when
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: he came back.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I know. I was excited for you. We're growing here,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: we're learning as we go. But this jumps us into
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: episode seven where we're told that the men are going
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: to go hang out with the single women. The single
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: women are going to come hang out, or the single
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: men are going to come hang out with you all.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I think this is a great twist for so many
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: reasons on a show like this, I love every second
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of this. It's funny to me how once you get
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: used to cameras being around, how comfortable you get, and
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: also that you think that you can do whatever you
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: want to do and your partner, I'm not going to
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: say spouse, because I think that would be a bigger issue,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: but your partner won't ever find out. And it seems
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: like the men really jumped into that mindset of I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: can have fun and do whatever, and these women will
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: never find out, even though it's being filmed and at
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: some point you're gonna have to watch it back.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: It's so funny too, because we to this day talk
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: about it for the people listening in. AD was at
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: this mixer with the boys, so I would like to
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: know what they would have done if AD wasn't there,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: because they knew AD was going to come back and
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: tell us everything. Sure, and the behavior that I witnessed
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: watching that back was worse than when I was just
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: hearing it firsthand. So yeah, you're so right. It was
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: actually insane that some of those guys thought that we
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: would never find out. But when I watched that, I
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: like to think, I'm like, oh, we're thinking about it
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: from a point of view, like oh, when they watch
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: back with their partner. But I think those guys knew
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: that they weren't going to be with their partners after this.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think they have that longevity mindset that we have. Yeah,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: so they just wanted to have fun, I think, yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And I mean the girls, you guys did. I mean
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: it was very tame, right.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean the girls were playing patty Cake. We
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: actually I think we barely were drinking. I took advantage
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: of it to get to know people, just because I
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: was newer and I didn't know some of the guys.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: But I mean, no one kissed anyone. It was so
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: tame on our side. But that's you know how it
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: is with girls. I feel like we're so loyal.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was going to ask, like some
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: people watch these shows for the social experiment. I mean,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: there are college courses built around the back and abound
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: reality television. I feel like we're like coming close into
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: stereotyping men and women. But I think if you do
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: bring an experiment out like this one, you see the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: behavior that's probably going to occur, which is the men
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: feel like they're on a bachelor party without any guardrails,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: and the women are like, I just wish my partner
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: was still here with me having so much fun.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I know. And you even look at like that season
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: of Paradise where they did a similar switch separated the
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: guys and girls, or Love Island when they separate, it's
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: always the men that ended up switching, which is so interesting, right. Yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: But yeah, like you said, you can stereotype it at
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: this point, it happens so much.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: It happens so much. We're seeing it over and over again.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: It was I mean, it looked like the guys are
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: having a lot of fun. Give it that. For what
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: they were wanting, they were able to accomplish it. They
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: were for whatever reason, I feel like licking thighs. Licking thighs.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was wild up in the boys party.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I've never like heard of like thigh licking as a
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: mixer party trick, but it seems to be what when
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: we saw episode one, we see it here now at
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: remind me, was this when you started talking to Ray again?
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: So this is where I basically met Ray. Okay, I
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: met Ray, Carrington and Cody for the first time, so well,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: yeah basically, so yeah, that's where you get introduced to him.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: You get introduced to him. What is it about Ray
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: at that moment above, Like, because you could have switched
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: to Carrington obviously, this is your moment to kind of
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: jump around a little bit. What it was it about
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Ray that stood out to you?
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I think in the it just felt like Ray wasn't
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: trying to get into the house. It was very friendly.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: He was so easy to talk to. Not saying that
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Cody and Carrington weren't, but they were definitely a little
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: more like flirty and forward, whereas I feel like with Ray,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: it was so friendly and it felt like he wanted
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: to just get to know me, and it was just
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: really easy with him. So it just felt like he
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: was there for the right reasons, you know, like he
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: wasn't trying to just get into the house.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Well, we quickly see the transition to this whole like
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: reuniting party, the mixer that everybody gets to be a
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: part of. This is where we see kind of the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: conversations spark up between Ady and Ali about him matching
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: with somebody else. We also start to hear, well Lucy
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: gets familiar with Daniel's behavior at the mixer. I personally
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: felt like Ady and Ali this was kind of every
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: couple needs that really tough moment, and this was their
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: really tough moment. Either they were going to make it
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: through it and be stronger for it, or they were
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: going to be done. And I think a show like
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: this it sets you up for so many opportunities to
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: have these kind of moments, which it kind of like
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you said, Sandy and Louie continue to have. It feels
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: like every time a new person comes into the house
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and they just kind of enjoy that aspect, but Adie
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: and Ali felt so strong that this could have broken
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: them because they're like, no, you're not the type of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: person I want to be with. But they make it through.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Lucy and Daniel make it through. Was there ever a
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: moment that you thought either of these couples would not
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: stay together?
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Aidi and Alie I knew would go back to each other.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: It just felt like they were the strongest couple in
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the house. And I feel like there's always that one
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: couple that's like, you just know that they're going to
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: make it, and so I think Allie was I mean,
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I think he was just trying to give the respect
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: that Justine deserved and wanted to be open to the
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: process of the show. Obviously, it sucks that they kiss
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: and that eighty found out and that she had to
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: find out through Justine, Like that's horrible, But I was
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: so happy that they were able to get over all
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: that and come together. Lucy and Daniel, I feel like
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: that was more. It was sad to watch, just because
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: I feel like Lucy didn't have anyone else she was
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: interested in, So if it wasn't Daniel, she would have
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: probably just went home. So it's difficult because of course
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I would have liked her to tell him no and rematch,
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: but like with who, I just can't look back and
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: think that there would have been anyone else.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had never felt like she out of anybody.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I think that's why she got set up on so
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: few dates or any date she went on zero, because
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, I don't see her with anybody else.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: You would just fight her if she laughed too out
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know if you saw that night when
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Ray came in, they got in a fight because Lucy
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: was laughing and that isn't even exaggeration, Like it was
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: like that the whole time. So it was difficult to
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: watch her go back.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Do you think it was because he was so into
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: her that he was insecure that she would move on
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: or No.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I think the boys they were very very close and
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: they would rile each other up, and I think no
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: one wanted to be embarrassed in front of their boys,
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: and so if someone's girl was flirting or doing something,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: they just didn't want to be embarrassed. I think that's
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: what it was, more than them caring about the women.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that first kissing challenge we see kind
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: of his reaction to it. On a show like this,
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: when I get to talk to the who i've is
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: going to be the next Bachelor, I don't have a
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: lot of advice to give, but I just try to
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: set up expectations and the mindset and what could be happening.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: So on a show like this, I'm sure you look
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: back now and if somebody were to call you and say, hey,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going on the Perfect Match next season, how should
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: I be viewing this? Should it just be more lighthearted
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and loose and be And if you're especially if you're
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: a guy, like, hey, your girl is going to do
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: some wild stuff, but she'll probably come back to you,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: or you hope she does.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I don't even think the girls do anything wild. I
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: would just say it's definitely more lighthearted. They even if
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: there are heavy moments, a lot of those were taken out.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: There were a lot more moments that they could have
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: aired if they wanted to be dramatic. They don't want that.
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: They want funny and fun. So I would tell anyone
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: to just go in and I would say, really, just
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: keep your options open. I want to see next season
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: have a bunch of rematches and coming back together, and
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: I want to see people explore more. So that's what
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: I would say.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Well, we do see Scott exploring more. He matches with Juliette.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: During this episode, Freddy and Madison get back together. Not
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: a shock there. Probably the most unexpected couple for me.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: I know, right, they were a great couple, though there's
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: been so much talk online. I think just because people
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: have watched Love Is Blind before and just had an
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: idea of Madison. But I went in not knowing either
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: of them, and they were such a good couple, so
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: unexpected to the viewers. But like in person, they were
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: like in a little love bubble, they were solid.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Let's actually do this now. If you could give me
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: like one word or just a few words to describe
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: each couple at this point, I think that would give
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: a viewers or the listeners a little understanding. So Scott
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: and Juliette.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Will start with them game players.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Freddy and Madison married, Lucy and Daniel.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Toxic and Ray the best. No, I'd say like friends.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: We were like friends, Louis and Sandy, Sexy.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Eighty and Ali soulmates. We do see eighty and Ali
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: getting a little fight before bed. It doesn't look good,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: but it does feel like they have the strength to reconcile.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: And as you said, I think soulmates have that right.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Arguments are part of relationships, but it's how you come together.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So we now see you Rachel with Ray. This starts
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to episode nine with the Final Compatibility Challenge. Each couple
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: has to complete a group of tasks, and each person
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: has to do fifty percent of the tasks a tire change,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: there's a mystery buffet where you have to dive through
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff, a cold plunge, and a pyramid puzzle.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: The winners get to go on a date and a
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: trip to the boardroom, which obviously gives you a lot
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: of influence when it comes down to the final weeks
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: of the show. You ate some crickets during this challenge.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I killed it. I was I've never been more surprised
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: at myself that I was competitive. I loved this challenge.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: It felt like Survivor. It was so much fun.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, eating crickets isn't that weird. I think
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: you just have to get past the mindset of Hey,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I personally, living in the United States haven't done this often. However,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of other places in this world, do enjoy
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: a cricket or too.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: It's funny because I ate crickets on my one of
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: my dates with Zach in Mexico, so I'd already done this.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: And on The Bachelor we had a group date in Croatia.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: We were eating like cowbrains, cow eyeballs, fish heads like,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: so I've already kind of had experience doing this. So
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: when I saw the crickets, I was like, oh, this
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: is going to be the easiest thing on the table.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I thought it was just going to get worse and
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: worse and worse. So that's why I went for the
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: crickets right away. And looking back, none of the girls did,
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: except for a d because Ollie's actually vegan, so that's
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: why she had to do it. But it was just
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: so funny watching back, I'm like, oh, I just took
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: the hardest one for no reason.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: I'm impressed with you. I also didn't I don't remember
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the eyeballs and stuff that I could do crickets easily.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I think it's the texture stuff that gets me just
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: in general, no matter where I'm at, I understand that
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: they're crunchy. Yeah, I can do crunchy.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Crunchy and salty. They're salted.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: See it's nice.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: It wasn't bad.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: You give me an eyeball it explodes in my mouth.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think I'm that cool with it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was bad.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I'm like dah. I just I
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: have a hard time getting my head around that. You
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: are the last two people to go to the boardroom
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: after winning this date. Congratulations by the way on winning
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the challenge. It's a big deal. You pick Sandy to
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: go on a date with JR. Because of the past
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: they had a little trial marriage. I haven't watched the ultimatum,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: but I'm assuming it makes getting married quickly even worse
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: than what the Bachelor does. We don't get to see
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: during this moment kind of what your last choice is,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: but you do choose Sandy to go on this date
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: with JR. Is it only because I'm not going to
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: lead you into this? Why?
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: So? I will say going into the boardroom, we thought
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: it would be mixed. We thought there'd be boys and girls.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: So we had a plan. And then we get to
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: the boardroom and we saw everyone who's already been on dates,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: who's already been in here, and we were like, what
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: do we do? They gave us nothing on his board,
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: so it was such a hard decision because there was
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: no nothing to do. I went in with the mindset
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: of like not wanting to mess up couples, not wanting
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: to get people in trouble. So I thought from that board,
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: it could just be a good closure moment for Sandy
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: to have a Loane time with Jr. Because I think
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: when you're in the house and louis staring at you
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: in the kitchen, maybe you don't have that closure moment.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: So that's why I chose that. And then the next
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: decision was actually all Ray So he made the Juliette
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: and Carrington decision.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Why do you think he did that?
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: So from what we heard, Juliet and Carrington really hit
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: it off, and everyone was shocked she picked Clayton, So
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I thought, if they had such a good connection already,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: like maybe let's see where it goes now. But I
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: didn't choose that, right, did choose that? So, I mean
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: it made sense. She gave us a great ending, better
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: than we could have ever asked for. She makes such
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: good TV, so it ended up being a good decision.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Now, Juliet was obviously upset with you when she first
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: was eliminated from the show or asked go home from
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: the show. She called you boring.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: I am boring kind of compared to her.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great to me. Do you like, did you
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: enjoy her?
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: At the time, I just felt like she hated me.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: So I definitely just I understood why she was mad
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: at me. I would have felt the same exact way,
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: and so I think I was just during the show
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: kept my distance from her. And then she stole my man,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: which just felt like she did it on purpose. And
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: then I look back now knowing her, and I'm like,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: she just doesn't care, like she just wanted to have
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: fun and it was fine. But at the time I
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my gosh, I feel like she hates me.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would struggle when Jess and I
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: watched this, I watched it with there is a reason
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: why I didn't do any other reality television shows because
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I would be on this and I would be so boring.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: We are boring. That's when people just have a different
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: mindset we do.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think one hundred percent I would been
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: on the show and you would have never seen me.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: You would have never seen me.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: Likely you would have been like Freddie, you would have
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: been the same exact way. And people love Freddy. So
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: I think you need all types of people.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: You do, You do need all types of people. Freddie
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: was so sweet and he was great, and he found
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: somebody during this and was able to make it through
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: with very little damage. But nobody's talking about Freddie. That's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: the thing.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Everyone talks about Freddy. They love him. He's a fan favorite. Sure, yeah,
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: but yeah, like there's no discourse, Like people aren't like
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: talking or like making tiktoks about him.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: No, there is no blurbs about Freddy. They're just like, yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: he seems like a nice guy. Why weren't you with Freddie?
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Well, when I first got there, I was like so
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: excited because me and Freddy really hit it off. But
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: he was very like clear with that. He was like
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: going to try to pursue things with Madison. Okay, So
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: I didn't really. I don't know. I look back at him.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have tried harder, But
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: at the time he just said I'm with Madison, and
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I just said, I don't want to sit on any toes.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know anyone.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I'm metrically here. Yeah, let me go back to what's
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: so healthy and best for me? Clayton Goodness greatness. So
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: episode ten, uh, we kind of see this whole thing
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: come to a conclusion. The final mixer is going on.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: I want to know your thoughts before we go to this.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: The night before with Carrington and Scott with the big.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Blow up with Julie about JULIETT. I mean, my thoughts
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: are this it was? It just it's predictable.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: You thought I was shocked when it was happening. Why
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: Because Scott and Juliet just seemed so unseerious that I
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: thought he would have just not cared that she was
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: flirting with Carrington.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I think it's the embarrassment factor. I think you make
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: it make sense when you say these guys were so
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: worried about being embarrassed. They all come into this. I
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: think only Freddie was the only guy that came into
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: this without his intro package being like I am a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: ladies man. I love to like saying things like I'm
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: a ladies man, or I steal girls, or girls are
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: so lucky to be with me. He was the only
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: one to not have that type of ego and confidence,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: not even confidence. I think he has confidence. He didn't
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: have the ego, He had humility, he had perspective. Ray, Yes,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I would say Ray was very similar in that too.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: But everybody else I think had so much of an ego.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: They thought they were God's gift to this world and
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: they were going to walk into that house and the girls,
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: We're just gonna be like, all right, please choose me.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: And most of the guys who kind of had that
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: mentality failed miserably, like nobody wanted them.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, Louis was there from the beginning, so I
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: think he got lucky because he didn't come into the
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: house to try to convince anybody. I think anybody knew, like, yes,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: the originals, the ogs had connections. I think if you
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: were new and you came in with that mentality where
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: it's where you thought you were going to be able
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: to convince some one of the girls who has already
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: coupled up to move on from whoever they're with, it
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: just never worked. I mean, Carrington I think had the
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: most aggressively bad intro.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I will defend him, though, I think he just was
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: messing around a little and it came off not so nice.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: But I will say, like with me, at least, he
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: was so sweet.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Then why didn't you ever get with him?
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Well, I was just saying because like at the time,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: I mean looking back, everyone saw his intro, but when
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: I was there with him, he was nice. But I
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: do agree he and Jr. Definitely had a strong intro package. Yes, yes,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: but I think maybe it is them just like trying
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: to hype them so helps up.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: So that's why I don't think it's shocking to me,
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: is because I saw the intros and I watch it
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: back and I'm thinking, these guys just don't want to
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: be embarrassed, like they don't want to be made fools
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: of And I think Juliette was just making fools of
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: them in a little bit of ways, because yeah, they
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: were unseerious with Juliet, and they thought, I'm unseious, she's
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: in a sense lucky that she's here with us, and
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: then it blows up. And that's why I think I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: was expecting it at some level.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy because just from what I saw with
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: Scott and Juliet, they actually seemed like they liked each other,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: but they were so unserious together also, like they were
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: so like, we're having fun and when Scott walked out
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: without having a conversation with her, I remember that it
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: was crazy, but yeah, definitely a crazier night than could
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: have anticipated with such a dismal board selection.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Well, this means that Juliette has no one to match
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: with after that evening, and so she has to leave
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: the villa again, leaving final matches Sandy and Louis, Lucy
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: and Daniel, You and Ray, Madison and Freddie and Ali
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: and a d. This is an incredible group to walk
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: into the finale with. At the end of this we
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: see the couples kind of have their romantic moments together.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: You said that you and Ray were friends. Were you
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: ever romantic?
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I think maybe there was like a moment where it
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: was like we could have been Like I definitely didn't
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: look at him and I'm like, oh, we're just going
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: to be friends. Like he's so good looking, he's a
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: great guy. But I think the more we were in
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: the house, it just seemed like, I don't know if
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: we had that spark, and then it just never really came.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: But I loved my time with him there. I wouldn't have,
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: you know, done it with anyone else. It was so special.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think even like for our final date,
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: like we're talking about the future and things like that,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: and I think I was surprised at some of the
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: things he was saying because I was like, I don't
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: feel like you really liked me like that. So yeah, no,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: I definitely think we were just more friendly.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Do you before I skip forward into kind of life
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: now and now that it all makes sense, we do
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: have the final compatibility challenge. In the last few minutes
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: of hear us breaking down the last few episodes of
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Perfect Match. The compatibility challenge is this. You all were
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: given questions. You have to answer these questions, which I
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: think is so hard really during this thing because you
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: don't know a lot about each other.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: I was shocked at how much I knew. I was
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: so proud of myself. We were such a new couple.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: But it's hard because I think the reason they did it,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know, Ben, but the season
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: before the people who won were they'd just gotten there
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: like the week before. Oh, because a lot of our
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: vote is from outside the house, and so I think
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: people who are outside the house can be a little
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: bit angry sometimes at like the way that the show
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: played out, and I'm angry for them. Honestly, it's hard
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: to get in the house, so I think this was
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: their way this season to not allow that to happen again.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming like they just didn't want me and Ray
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: to win or like people who are newer. But it
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: took out couples like Madison and Freddy, who she genuinely
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: think should have been in the final two. So that
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: was tough that that happened.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did. It took out fred This compatibility challenge
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: took out Freddy at Madison, You and Ray and Sandy
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: and Louie. Be honest, please, I really liked the Perfect Match.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: I would tell anybody to still like to watch it,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: to tune in. But the idea of a seven day
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: vacation as your reward for winning, was it really a
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: driving force for you? Like, did you want to win
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: different than half a million?
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Right? I think for me, if you really, if you're
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: not like eighty and Ali in love with each other, Yeah,
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: that seven day trips seems like it would be tough, Like,
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to really do that
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: with someone I just met. I would say the driving
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: factor for a lot of these people is like kind
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: of like just wanting to be there the longest. I
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: think the trip is just that's the reward that they
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: thought of. I don't think anyone was like, oh, I
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: want to win because I really want this trip. I
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: think people just want it to be there as long
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: as they could. I think eighty and Dollie were the
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: only people who would have actually taken and truly enjoyed it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: But it's hard to say that it was like a
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: good prize because I don't feel like anyone was like, oh,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I need to go on this vacation.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: I've just gotten back from the beach and gotten gotten
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: drinks and food and hung out, like I don't need
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: another vacation, right.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: So it's definitely I mean, it's nice that there is
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: a prize. I think they could also do it without
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: a prize and people would still.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Go in the show sure, just to be titled the
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Perfect Match, Well, Lucy and Daniel are there for the
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: couples to vote on, and Ali and a d I
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: shouldn't say the couples because there's outside influences voting on
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: this as well. Lucy and Daniel end up being the
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: winners of this shocker to me. I think you've hinted
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: at being a shock as well. You probably voted for
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Aid and Ali.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming everyone in the house, I think except for Louis.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Louis didn't eat you. I don't know everyone in the
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: house voted for Aid and Ali.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: So why do you think that, Like, why were people
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: like why wouldn't people vote for AIDI.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: And Ali in this Everyone outside of the house voted
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: for Lucy and Daniel Because I don't think the women
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: who were outside the house were happy with the way
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: Ali treated Justine. And I think Justine loves ad and
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: like wants the best for her, and I think she
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: just didn't like the way Alie handled things. So I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: think they were coming from a place of like wanting
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: to support a d and just thinking that Allie was
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe they thought he wasn't being truthful.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: They weren't in the house so they didn't get to
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: see what we saw. And of course Lucy is like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: just such a sweetheart, so she's like so easy to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: love and vote for. I think they were just like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: mad at Allie.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. I think it's still shocking
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: to me. I think even you don't punish a d
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: for a seven day vacation because she's with a guy
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: who you don't.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: I agree, and that is why I voted for them,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: and I was in shock when they didn't win. I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: mean Lucy was in shock. She did win, it was crazy.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: And then obviously they ended up not taking the t
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: so it really all was a waste because now ad
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: is pregnant and about to have a beautiful baby girl,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: and I would have loved to see her on the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: trip with Ali.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe the show can just pass it off for a
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: baby moon.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: He keep saying that.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now let's talk about the couples. Now Lucy and
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Daniel no longer together. As you mentioned, how quickly did
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: that end?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: They a couple of people went on a trip right
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: after we finished filming to Cabo, and I think there
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: was a lot that went on there that the women
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: weren't too happy about. I would say Cabo was the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: driving breakup for a lot of people who were there.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: I wasn't there, but I know that he didn't treat
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: her super well, and they also live in different countries sure,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: so when they broke up, I wasn't very surprised. Daniel
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: also didn't like me very much. So I was like,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: but y, yeah, it.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Was sad, but you and Lucy were friends me and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: see our friends.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really close, and so it's just hard, you know,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: you don't want to see your friends go through that.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Freddie and Madison, what's the updates?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: So they are not together? I actually really thought they
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: would be together for a while. They seemed so they
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: seemed like a married couple.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just saw them recently in July, and I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: guess they broke up pretty soon after. Again, they're in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: different countries. It's probably a big reason. You and Ray
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: we're still friends, like actual friends, which is crazy.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: And do you guys ever go skydiving?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we were going to We like had plans
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: to the morning after we had the big Netflix party,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: and then everyone was so hungover that I'm like, if
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: I jump onto a plane right now, I'm gonna die.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: So hopefully we get to soon.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Now, obviously, you've had two big time hosts, Jesse Palmer
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: and Nick Lache. I know you love Jesse. Who to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: you is the better host?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Well, obviously I always have to say Jesse because I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: was his first Bachelorette season and Bachelor season, so I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: just have a bond with him. But Nick Lache is amazing.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: He is so fun. He would take shots with us like.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: He's great. I just don't have any relationship to him,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: so of course I'm gonna pick Jesse.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, final couple questions for you personally, Rachel. We get
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: to see the Clayton stuff go down. We have gotten
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: to know you from the show. I'm assuming somebody from
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: the show has circled back after the show and said, hey, Rachel,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: maybe we should have given it a shot. Can you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: tell us who?
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I reconnected with Carrington before the show. I
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: feel like I've like kind of pinted at it and
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: things like that. But yeah, I think he's so sweet
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: and yeah, you know, who knows what could have happened.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: Are you dating anybody right now?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: I'm not dating anyone. I'm definitely single. But yeah, it
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: was nice to reconnect for sure with Carrington.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Does he live in LA.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: He lives in Salt Lake City?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, have you been to Salt Lake City?
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: I have been there, but uh, not to see him.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Dides intro scare you a little bit, So it's funny.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't know about any of that. Until I watched
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: it back, and then it was funny. We watched some
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: of it together. But I think with me, he was
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: so sweet and actually it's funny. He DMed me after
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: I think I was on The Bachelor, so like years ago,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: and he told me that on the show, and I
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, I couldn't remember. So, yeah,
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: he's just a sweetheart.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: So there is a potential for you to find a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: perfect match from the show.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Still, there's always potential, right, you know. I love to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: circle back.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like a behavior that I
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: would say it was a good one. I don't know.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: I think you're better than that, Rachel, But I don't
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: know Carrington, so maybe that is a good one to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: circle back too.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: That's all we're getting.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I don't have any like solid updates, like we're definitely
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: not dating or like anything like that.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, he calls you tomorrow and says, Hey, I'm going
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: to be in La Rachel, I want to take you
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: on a date.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Well, we see each other when he's in La. Yeah,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I think we live in different states and
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: it's really far.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: It's super hard to fly from Salt Lake today.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: I know, it's like thirty minutes. It's crazy and apply
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: for freeze. It's just like it's really hard to get
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Such a good excuse you're making to why this could
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: potentially not be a thing.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: No, who knows, Like I genuinely like will tell you
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: if I have an update, but like as of now,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: it's been nice to reconnect with him and like, you know,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: we went through the show together, so like watching it
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: back and stuff, it was nice to have someone who
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: like got it.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: Rachel. I've told you this many times on the show
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: and person, I think, out of so many people, you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: are one of my favorite people to ever come out
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: of the franchise. I am confused when people ask me,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: like about single people from the Bachelor World. I'm confused
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: on how people haven't reached out to you to try
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: to connect and date more often. But it sounds like
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: to me, for the first time since your time as
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: the lead on the show, you're getting some attention that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: you deserve from boys.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I think boys do reach out to me.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: I definitely. I mean it's funny because you know, the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: guy that I dated, like the one that I was
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: kind of like more in the public with it was
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: difficult because when things ended, it was still online and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: people still thought we were together and you were with
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: me actually when I was like talking to you about
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: that for the first time. So after that had happened,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I just tried to be more silent about it because
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't want that to happen again. And I think
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: now I'm kind of at the point where like, I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: think people do deserve to know what I'm doing and
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: if I'm talking to someone, so I like to be
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: more open. But yeah, for years I just was like,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: I'm single, I don't know, and now I think everyone
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: thinks that, you know, no one was trying to talk
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: to me. They do, but it's just hard, you know,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: when you're in the public failing in relationships, especially when
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: you already have at such a large scale. So I
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: would definitely keep things more private. But I mean, hey,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: now you know some of the tea at least.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Some of the tea. I get it. No, I mean we,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Jess and I kept it secret for six months because
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: because when something's good too you don't want to publicize it,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: and then if things don't work out, you're asked about
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: that person and it will every time you're asked about
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: that person, because yeah, that was a good thing. Well
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: luckily for me, you know, it ended in marriage, so
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: not ended, it started in marriage, and so we can
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: will never be sad to talk about it. I could
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: talk about Jess all day.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Literally, So happy for you guys and your beautiful baby
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: and your amazing trips and hopefully you can give me
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: some of that luck.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to. I'm passing it off to you. Rachel,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: you are a dream, the perfect match. Final question for you?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Are you glad you did it? What did you learn
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: about yourself through it?
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: I actually am so glad. I keep getting asked this question. Obviously,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: it's so different from Bachelor, and I just think this
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: was the first time I ever got to be like
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: on TV being myself without this reputation of people who
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: had seen me before thought that they knew me. And
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: I just got to have so much fun. Obviously the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Clayton stuff was hard, like wouldn't have wanted that for anyone,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: but I think I just got to really have a
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: great time, and so that's why I'm so happy I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, I mean it is. It's just shake up.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: It's fun. It looked so enjoyable. I would tell anybody
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: to watch it. It is very entertaining.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: It's so entertaining. It was a good season.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: It's so entertaining. I really did enjoy it, and it
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: helped my flight home from Italy go so much faster. Rachel,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll be back soon helping co host an
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: episode of Safe here talking about Taylor, Frankie Paul or
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: the next upcoming season of The Golden Bachelor, which will
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: be airing very soon. But I appreciate you stepping on.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your insights into the perfect match, and so
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: until next time, I've been Ben and I'm Rachel. That's right.
• 1:10:13
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