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CyHawk reaction, Scott Dochterman joins the show · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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All right, good afternoon. Welcome, Miller and Condon on a
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Monday. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
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Network. For the next couple of hours.
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Trent Condon, myself, Ken Miller will overreact to what we saw
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over the weekend. Look forward to that.
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Here's what's coming up on our program at the bottom of the
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hour. Scott Doctorman will join us
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from The Athletic. He was sequestered in the Jack
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Trice press box on Saturday morning into the afternoon.
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We'll get Doc's take on what he saw on Psy Hawk.
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Coming up at the bottom of the hour, Hour number two, Bama,
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Bob, Trent and I will go around college football.
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Look forward to that bit and then Bill Seals will join.
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We'll get Bill Seals perspective on Psy Hawk and looking forward
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to this week. Arkansas State.
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That is a three o'clock kick down the hall from us here at
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the flagship 106.3 kicks. You know the game will air on
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100.3 the bus, but ESPN 2 has the television coverage that
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comes up Saturday at 3. The Hawks play 6:00 or 536
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o'clock on the Big 10 Network against UMass, and Ference
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should be the winningest Big 10 coach.
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Once that one concludes at about 9:00 or 9:30 or whenever that
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time arrives. We will, if time allows, get
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into the NFL from yesterday. What a weekend that was, capping
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off with that just phenomenal Saturday night, Sunday Night
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Football. My God, what a finale there.
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That was good. So lots to get to.
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The Chiefs are in last place in the AFC West.
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Won't linger there because there's still some football to
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be played, but boy, it's sure nice to click on the standings
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and see those suckers right at the bottom.
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Yeah, it'll last. You think it will?
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No. No, I didn't think so.
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We the Colts, were good. Colts were good.
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Danny Dimes was good, yeah. Aaron Rodgers was good.
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Aaron Rodgers really good in a shootout.
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Just like we all had The Jets and the Steelers, right?
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Unbelievable back and forth Fields V Rodgers anyways,
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obviously front and center and we will have a game tonight that
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you can hear if you can't be in front of your TV.
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Yes we have Westwood one, but we also have the Vikings.
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So when those two collide, we defer to our friend up north,
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Paul Allen in the Minnesota Vikings Radio Network.
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They'll have the call. Vikings and Bears.
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We'll get to that here this evening.
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Tie Hawk from the weekend. Where do you want to start?
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Well, it was a great weekend. Perfect weekend.
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For. For me.
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In what respect? Jack had the only goal in A1.
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Nothing. Victory.
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Oh, there you go. Ella won a softball tournament.
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Jeez. First one of the fall.
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Trophy came home to the condom. Absolutely never a trophy.
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That's a ring. Oh yeah, nice ring from Central
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Iowa Sports. So we're often there was other
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stuff that happened. This There was Trent.
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There was a little game played at Jack Trice.
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Stadium I I tried to block that out of my memory.
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Yeah, I I think that half the state probably is going down
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that same path. 1613 and the most clutch kicker in college
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football did it again. Kyle couldn't.
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Wait, wait, wait, Summer. You're killing the guy all year.
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Well, I hadn't seen him as a sophomore.
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I mean, what a what an improvement freshman to
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sophomore. I could be.
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I did say that, yes, and I look bad for saying, but that's off
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to him because last year he was an average kicker.
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This year he said anything. But he's phenomenal this year.
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In a game that felt like from the time that I was scored the
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touchdown to make it 1310, you know that it was setting up to
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be a fair and special. He was hang around, hang around,
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make a play, get a break and he win it.
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The break when Iowa states way. That recipe isn't working
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anymore for Iowa football, no. I mean the the double, the
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double tipped ball. Yes.
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Graves gets it, then Townsend got it right, and then Berkel
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snagged it and had a couple of Hawks on his back and took it to
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the ground. What a game changing play.
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You see that deflection, the second deflection because so
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many people missed the first deflection.
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You. Know what?
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I didn't see it till this morning.
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Truth be told, yeah. And was it the angle from Iowa
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State football? It was, yeah.
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With Jim Walters ball. Yeah.
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So you see that deflection, first of all, normally just goes
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to the ground, right? Defensive tackle gets hand on.
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It doesn't. Then it hits a second time off.
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A wide receiver pops up in the air. 80% of the time it's.
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Going the other way. If the ball was caught, it's by
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a defensive player and there's Gabe Burkle and there's Gabe
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Burkle making the play of the game and the difference of the
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game. Ultimately, it was huge.
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Comes down to that. Saw a lot of people mention
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before the end, before that play that the environment was bad at
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Jack Trice, that it was what it was just so dead.
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It was a boring football game and after the onslaught of
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points, Iowa has the long drive, another long drive.
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It was just, I remember seeing Travis, who we've met before, he
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mentioned it, that talking to friends and family that were at
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the game from OH. Travis on Twitter.
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Travis. Yeah.
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Travis was in Council Bluffs with us, I think.
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Yes, yes, absolutely. Middle of the second quarter
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till late in the fourth quarter just.
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Well, I think that Dad, I, I think that fans probably saw the
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game that kind of we did that, you know, the tide had turned
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and it just seemed like it was a matter of time.
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As you said before, fair and special rears its head and it
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didn't happen overall. You walk away from this game. 2
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good defenses. Yes.
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Iowa State gets a win. All credit to them.
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But did you walk away impressed by the Cyclones?
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I don't think they can run the ball.
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They they struggled to run the football.
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They have Rocco backed. That's a big.
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Definition, that's a huge difference.
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What a clutch what a clutch QB, what a what a just to have that
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kind of guy on your roster, man, A a lot of teams wish they did,
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man. I don't think Iowa State's the
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big best team in the Big 12. I don't.
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Think so either. I think there's probably two or
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three losses out there, but you know what?
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Go to go to Ireland, win, come back tough game, crush player in
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state rival win and now go to Arkansas State with a chance
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before you know, before you get to buy.
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I don't even well, maybe Cyclone Jerry would have yes, right, but
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there's not a Mike in Waterloo. Mike in Waterloo would have been
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four and he had a beloved 1. So I wonder where that one's
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going to come from. Yeah, we laughed at him.
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But they got a chance to. They got a chance to be 4 and
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NIL. They should be 4 and NIL.
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They should be. Arkansas State got hammered by
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Arkansas this week. They should be 5 and nil.
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Because our Arizona's after that, right?
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Yeah, probably. So it's hope.
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Yeah, probably so. But but look, it give give
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credit I Iowa State just they've done it.
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They've done it again. Eskeldson made a couple of big
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plays. They did.
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He did have a drop in the football game.
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The defence, it was McDonough was all over the all over the
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the my television set late in the football game.
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You know who had this worst game?
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I don't know if I don't. I didn't see any of Caden
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Wegian's high school. Career, yeah.
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And maybe he had one, but this had to be the worst he's ever
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looked. Start off the game with a
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penalty, Can't do that. Nope.
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Running backwards, letting the ball, Yep, hit, Yep, then going
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back to getting it going backwards now.
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Iowa scored on that drive. I do think Cooper he had a
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chance, even when he slipped on Gradowski's interception, Cooper
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had already made the break. It was definitely going to be a
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past breakup. Yes, if not minimum, at minimum.
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And there was two guys there. It was a terrible read, even if
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there wasn't the slip from Wegen.
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Yeah, Cooper was going to make a play.
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Yes, and there was somebody right behind him.
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That was a terrible read, which we'll get to 'cause it's not
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surprising. No, it's not.
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The other thing about Cooper now, why did he cut back to the
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field, 'cause I think he could have got to the end, 'cause.
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Yeah, he stayed on the sideline, didn't he?
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I may, maybe fatigue, who knows. The punt, the punt that was
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there was a flag thrown for interference on the ability to
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catch the punt. The ball did hit Townsend's
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wrist forearm. The penalty was for he was
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blocked into. The return, that's what they
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were, that's what the number. So somebody threw the flag, saw
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it differently, and then he was talked out of the flag by the
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group of officials. I thought he was.
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I thought it was interference. I didn't think he was blocked
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into him because that was the explanation.
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That's why the flag was there for pass catch or it was picked
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up because he was blocked into him.
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That's when they picked up the. Flight.
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I thought that was. I thought I caught a break
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there. Absolutely.
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I definitely. I'm with you on that one.
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Change the complexion of it though, and without that I was
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going nowhere. Well, look, Iowa State had a
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chance to bury him early. Yes, bury him early.
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And credit to the Iowa defense for clamping down a both those
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field goal attempts because they were cruising on both of those
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drives and then were able to buckle down and do the Phil
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Parker thing. Defense got him in the game.
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Once again, you we've maybe had this conversation before.
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Chant was the last time I had a good quarterback.
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Nate Stanley at the time left something to be desired.
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It was always you wanted more for because you felt like for
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all the good moments and all the good numbers that he put up,
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that he left too many plays on the field to have Nate Stanley.
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Now the guy looks like Chuck Long.
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He does. And this was a guy that was a
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disappointment in a lot of people's eyes hung around the
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league. But since then, and it's not
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just the guys that we've seen out there in the field, think of
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also the guys that they brought in, the guys that they brought
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in and gone to lower levels and go to D2 that are now playing
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tight end because they can't play quarterback at the D2
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level. This is what has happened to the
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quarterback position. It's just it's just not the
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garbage that we've seen on the field.
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It's also who they brought in. How can they have this much of A
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blind spot when it comes to finding quarterbacks?
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They can't just be parents. Well, he's the common
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denominator. But you can't year after year
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after year have these same things happen.
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Is it the evaluation process? Is it what they're looking for?
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Is it just taking the easy way out?
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Again, he's the common denominator.
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They've been different evaluators there, but it comes
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back to him. Who would you rather have, Mark
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Gronowski or Brendan Sullivan? Because they look like basically
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the same guy and I'd rather have Sullivans.
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See, I think I would still take Gronowski.
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Why? What have you seen that makes
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you say that he is better than what they had just last year
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with Brendan Sullivan when he was out there?
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Well, it's kind of the lesser of two, I want to say.
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The lesser of two evils. Kind of 6 of 1/2 a dozen of the
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other, right? They're both not very good.
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No, I like Gronowski's size. I don't know.
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I mean, you know, I get your point.
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I get your point. They just don't have a
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quarterback and they haven't had for a long time.
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And you're they pay what do? They pay.
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It's not 2 million. Whatever it is, who cares too
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much? They, they made a mistake again.
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They went out and got McNamara. He was going to be the guy.
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They've done it again. They made a mistake.
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Whatever the evaluation is and whatever that game plan was.
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Yuck, That was awful. Tim Lester, maybe there was a
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reason he was an analyst in Green Bay.
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And we go back to what, 18 months ago when Kirk was taken
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forever to find an offensive coordinator and this is what he
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came up with. Waited, waited, wait.
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And we looked at the numbers and when Tim Lester was an offensive
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coordinator at Syracuse, it was terrible.
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And then there was the excuses. And then there's a reason that
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he was out of a job and became an analyst.
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Maybe there's a reason because what he put together the game,
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the running pack that starts the game.
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There's the wrong one. Terrell Washington is 1/3 down
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back. He's a scat back.
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Pattersons got to be the the bell cow for now.
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You need physicality. If you're going to try to play
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this bully ball style then be physical.
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Don't have a third down back as your lead runner and you cost
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yourself 2 positions by starting the wrong guy.
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The the RPO game looked good solid.
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The mesh, the slow mesh I liked. Yes, Brandon, that was fun.
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Yeah, something different and really debated.
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Yeah, try to do something different.
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The RPO game worked. There drops there, drops all
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over the place. But for the people that are
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coming to the defense of Mark Gronowski and the drops in,
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absolutely. He had.
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Yeah, they were there. Yeah, there was a monster one
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there, Gill. Gill was wide open down the
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scene. Yeah.
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And if he. Or the IT was a slam.
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He probably goes. Yes, if he breaks that tackle,
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he's gone. There's nobody behind because
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the Iowa State played all game long.
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But to take one shot in the game against the Iowa State team, the
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way that they are playing, everybody's downhill,
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everybody's playing on their toes and they're coming right at
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you. And to take one shot down the
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field goes back to the offensive coordinator.
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Now, is he told not to do that? Is that Kirkball not allowed to
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do it? Did you miss Greg Davis?
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No, he was the worst of the. Girl you think he was?
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He was worse than Brian. Yeah, his style never worked
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with what I was. Trying to keep back.
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Yes. I never want him to go.
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I was the one. I was no.
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Keep No, you're not alone now. Oh, absolutely.
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Revisionist thinking, I mean. Number one, in a big gap between
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2-3 and four. It was a game plan that didn't
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work. It's an offensive schematic
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system that isn't. And here's the thing that isn't
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talked about right now, and maybe we'll find out tomorrow
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after the second down play in the final drive for Iowa, that
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was the sack. I got 6 on 1st down real quick
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to the tight end. They get to the ball.
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A delayed blitz comes from Neil. Who was?
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Really good. He's excellent.
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He might. He's probably behind Orange,
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their second best player on defense.
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I don't. Think that's a stretch at all?
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He's outstanding. He comes on the delayed blitz,
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gets there. Dunker was late getting over.
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They use a timeout, so it's third and 11 Jennings.
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Dunker came out of the. Game.
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Yeah, I know he did. Why?
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Why did he? He was in the tent earlier in
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the ball game. Jennings Dunker is also coming
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off surgery, and it took longer, I think, than anticipated for
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him to get back and get ready for camp.
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I don't know. I don't know if there's.
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Well, Andrew on the side, Akasha, I mean, you could play
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offensive line this way. It's UMass.
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Should be able to they lost to Bryant.
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Not heating and cooling, just the university.
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But I'm not sure Bryant, who heating and cooling, couldn't
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give him a game. Absolutely.
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Getting's dunker if he's in trouble, if he's injured, if
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he's banged up. Obviously you don't play him
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this week. No, but you're without one of
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your best wide receivers. You're going to be without your
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tight end for a long time it sounds like.
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You're running back. You're without your running back
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and now you're without your best offense alignment.
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This thing is reminding me a lot of 19. 4:00 and 8:00. 1998 You
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were on the air in 1998. That was the that was awful.
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1997. You know what?
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You know what it was? It was a started to be a legacy
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tarnishing year. 1997, huge expectations.
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Matt Sherman, Tavian Banks, Tim Dwight, they're all coming back.
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Bunch of pieces defensively, coming off a win against the PAC
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12 Co champion Washington in the bowl game.
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This was going to be the year and that it didn't.
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They lose a game that they had the national champions beat
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Michigan, Sherman misses a pass missions taving up the sideline
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that would have won the game. The story is punched, the wall
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broke his hand. No, really.
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They lose to Wisconsin, they lose to Northwestern.
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It was a disappointing year, 1998.
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A lot of new faces, but the programs had a good spot.
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And then we saw very quickly it wasn't last season, College
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Football Playoff, a schedule that's manageable.
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This is going to be the year that I was going to
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breakthrough. You're bringing back 10 starters
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back defensively. This is the season that's going
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to happen and it didn't. The defense was awful.
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Now you look at that schedule. With the couple of accession, I
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mean, Higgins was awful good, so was Jackson.
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You take a look at this season and what's still in front.
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Of it, find me six wins. It's not a stretch.
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It happens quicker than you think when you're in it.
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And I just caution because that was the first thought that I had
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when I started talking and flipped down the microphone
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right after the game. You see the end of the fry air
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being very similar to what might be the end of the.
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There's a lot of similarities to what we were talking about at.
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The legacy, Trent, that, that's one of my takeaways from that
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period of time. The maybe the most disappointing
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game was the last one in the Metrodome, Hayden's final game,
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as they got absolutely boat raced and looked like there was
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no Hawkeye that wanted to be there.
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Don't want it end like that. No, but it can happen quicker
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than you think. Well, he's under contract
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through when 29. Something like that.
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Here's how I see it. I don't think it'll, I mean, if,
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if it does go bad, I think Ference will do it to himself.
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I I think I read him that. I don't think he would just let
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the program go down sink to the bottom.
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I just don't. I don't think he's that type of
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person. I think he would find a way to
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just decide it's time. I I don't think he's the type
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that would just just let the the the boat sink, Do you?
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I don't unless he sees this is the end.
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So I think he would off himself. Yes, absolutely.
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I don't think that type of person.
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The pressure's not going to have to come.
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And if the wheels do fall off and they go 4:00 and 8:00 and he
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sees that there's not an end insight, I believe that Kirk
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would. If he finishes 4 and he's not
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going to the Hall of Fame. That's the furthest thing for.
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Me. No, I get it, and his mind too,
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but he's not. Right.
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He's not going to have that 60% threshold that you need.
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He's got to get 2, get the record one more, do it against
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UMass. How about these last six?
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Home to Penn State. Stop me when you think there's a
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there's an easy one. Home to Minnesota.
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Better than we thought. Yeah.
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Home to Oregon. OK, you're not stopping me at
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USC. Home to Michigan State.
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Maybe. At Nebraska.
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Yeah. Basic best case scenario too.
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Well, I don't. I wouldn't say best case
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scenario, but. Well, I mean, they're not
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beating Penn State Oregon. USCI wouldn't think so.
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If they win the other three, who are they beating in that trio?
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Right now, nobody right. But Iowa teams also improve.
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I mean the last SO. Does Oregon and Penn State and
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USC. Oregon almost got beat by an
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awful Wisconsin. They just pasted the crap they
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they pulled called off the dog. It was 69 to 3 after three
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quarters. A Big 12 team.
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Not a very good one. Work and play.
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That's a pretty good Oregon team.
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That's a pretty good Oregon team.
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Sounds like you bought some ducks at how?
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Did you know actually it was Sunday because it wasn't up on
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on Saturday night. Let's get John in here.
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We'll get Scott Dockerman coming up.
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John, thanks for being patient. What's on your mind?
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You're being quite the pessimist here.
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How Put some optimism with this quarterback?
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All. Right here's my rose colored
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glasses are on, my glass is half.
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Hang on, I was going to say, pull yourself a black and gold
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Kool-aid and let her go. Here it comes.
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This young man doubled his yardage.
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He was 44 yards. Week 188 yards.
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Week. 2 by Rutgers. He's going to be thrown for 320
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yards. Just keeps doubling every week.
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I like it, John. Okay.
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Just keep doubling it, okay? Take another straight.
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And then, all right, you mentioned how good Oregon is.
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They're probably pretty good, but Oklahoma State's terrible.
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The Big 12, remember the old Danny Green, They are what we
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thought they were line. That's the Big 12, OK, they are
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what we thought they were. They're not good.
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There's three best teams. Like most, most people, most the
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experts were picking Iowa State, Kansas State, Arizona State,
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Kansas State got beat by Army, Army just got beat by a team
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called Carlton State. OK, And that Army team beat
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Kansas State, who a lot of experts pick to win the big. 12
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What do you What do you think of Utah?
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What do you think of Utah? They'll they'll work.
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They'll probably work their way. I think they're probably, I
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don't know enough about Utah, honestly.
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Do they have any? I know they won.
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I don't know if. No, they're good.
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They got three teams. They got Texas Tech, Utah.
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I'm going to put BYU in there and maybe TCU.
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And of course, Iowa State. So you think?
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I don't think one of those guys are going.
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To creep up there and be in challenge for the Big 12 title
20:19
then. I do.
20:21
Yeah, I do. OK, well.
20:22
OK, so Arizona State gets beat that's that wasn't felt the last
20:26
place team in the SEC team last. Year, it was a bad.
20:30
Weekend for the Big 12. Virginia loses to Ohio.
20:33
Yeah, and Iowa State, I'm telling you on a national scene,
20:36
we all know that's a toss up game in Iowa, but on the
20:39
national scene that's a bad look.
20:41
The one of your best teams in the Big 12 of plays a middle of
20:45
the pack, the bottom half Iowa Big 10 team and has to need a 54
20:50
yard field goal to to beat that team.
20:51
So yeah, a lot of bad optics for the big. 12 Yeah, Thanks for the
20:56
call, John. Look, this was a measuring stick
21:01
weekend. I think we talked about it on
21:02
Friday for the Big 12. It didn't go particularly well,
21:07
let's face it. They they.
21:11
That wasn't great. Kansas had an opportunity.
21:13
They're up. Double defeat.
21:13
They were and completely blew it.
21:16
Baylor needed a missile. It was very good.
21:19
Oh yeah, Probiula was good. Yes.
21:23
Yeah, got their own quarterback. Now, Probiula would probably be
21:26
terrible in Iowa system too. Let's be honest.
21:32
You don't think so? You think Probiula in this Iowa
21:34
offense, he'd be up, Revved up? Yeah, I don't know.
21:36
I mean, I, I guess probably, probably so probably.
21:42
I mean, they've ruined a bunch of them seemingly they've ruined
21:47
a bunch of them. The Big 12 this weekend had a
21:50
chance to put themselves in the conversation as you know what,
21:53
we deserve it. We we're better than everybody
21:56
thinks that multiple bid league, multiple bid league and it
22:00
didn't go according to plan, putting it mildly, Trent.
22:03
Lose if Mississippi State. Taylor had a win.
22:06
That was nice. That was a good win.
22:08
Their defense, though, is ha oh man, the middle of their defense
22:12
is rough and Mississippi State proves to be again the worst
22:15
team. The SEC.
22:16
That's going to be a bad how? Many.
22:17
How many did they bring in like 50 new faces to that team?
22:20
I think a. Lot of people do that.
22:22
Well they got rid of 50 garbage players.
22:25
But if Mississippi states 3:00 and 9:00, it's going to be a big
22:28
issue for the Big 12. Unless Arizona State's just in
22:31
the middle. I think Arizona State's in the
22:32
middle. I do.
22:33
I think Arizona State's kind of one of those middle of the pack
22:36
teams. Baylor, nice win.
22:38
Iowa State, obviously that's a nice win.
22:40
I don't care what John says, that's a nice win.
22:42
Kansas had them if it would have showed at them.
22:45
West Virginia falling, not good. K State getting pasted not good
22:51
and BYU beating Stanford. Jesse then Kelly.
22:56
Jesse, welcome to the program. How are you?
22:58
Good. How are you guys?
22:59
Good. What's up just calling?
23:02
In I'm a cyclone fan here. Good to hear from you.
23:04
I just got AI just got a message for the salty Iowa fans that
23:09
call in and say, oh, Iowa State's not a good.
23:13
They play in a horrible conference, guys, guess what?
23:16
The team you cheer for. No, no.
23:19
No low average you're. Talking to the, You're talking
23:21
to the callers, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
23:23
Not, not, not you guys. I'm saying the Hawkeye fan, like
23:26
how can you bash a conference, the team that just beat you?
23:29
It's. Not the lucky cheer, for it's
23:32
not the point. Jonathan was trying to.
23:33
Make for when the team you cheer for is below average.
23:36
Like you're bashing our conference.
23:38
I guess I did the same thing when you guys played in the Big
23:40
10 W. My point is, it's just, it's
23:42
just nonsense. Yeah, no, it's fans.
23:44
Love it. Jesse, thanks for the call.
23:45
Appreciate it. Let's get Kelly in here.
23:47
Kelly, how are you? Hey guys.
23:50
Hey, Kelly, thanks for covering another course for covering
23:53
Hawkeye fan here now. But here's here's the positives
23:57
I saw from week 1 to Week 2. Granowski, I saw a lot better
24:00
accuracy. I'll say.
24:02
Now here's here's what I didn't get to go look at was what was
24:06
going on downfield and really getting detailed on.
24:08
That I'd love to know that several.
24:11
Yeah, because there was several plays where Gretzky had all day
24:14
back. He did, but that's how Iowa
24:17
State plays defence, though. That's how the clones play
24:19
defence. They'll never lead the league in
24:21
sacks. They they drop back, drop guys
24:24
in the coverage. Yep.
24:25
And they were daring them to do that.
24:27
I I have to believe, and I didn't see it either.
24:29
That's one of the things you miss about not being hype.
24:32
Above is where there where there guys open and Gronowski wouldn't
24:35
pull the trigger or where I was State.
24:37
Did Iowa State have them locked down?
24:40
100% and that's what I was hoping maybe Trent had seen too,
24:43
is if were there guys open downfield that we didn't pull
24:46
the trigger on that read right away because Gronowski threw the
24:50
ball better than he did week one.
24:51
That's I mean. Bar wasn't set real high, but
24:54
Yep Yep. Yep.
24:55
And with all day back there the way that they were blocking, we
24:58
have got to be able to go score points and that and that's
25:02
that's my thought too. So not happy about it, but I
25:05
thought Gronowski looked better than Week 1 and I'll take it
25:07
back to you guys. Thank you, Kelly.
25:08
Appreciate the call. Let's get a couple more in here,
25:11
Steve. Hi, Steve.
25:11
Thanks for being patient. Hey, I'm a huge Hawkeye fan and
25:15
I'm pissed but I thought our offense was boring before but
25:22
now our new wrinkle. Is the slow mesh mesh it's
25:29
different? Makes it?
25:31
Of course it is, but that that's the new wrinkle to make.
25:35
A more exciting offense is a slow mesh, so our best 2 plays
25:40
are the quarterback sneak. And the slow mesh.
25:43
Mesh go Hawks it's. An interesting call.
25:46
Thanks, Justin. I appreciate it.
25:49
It's a new wrinkle, I'll give them that.
25:52
Right. Are they going to do something
25:53
with it or is it going to be two plays a game?
25:56
You can't overuse it, no, no. But how many?
25:59
How many? How many you want to see?
26:00
810. It's really different.
26:02
It is. I remember when you talked about
26:04
it for the first time, maybe about a month ago.
26:05
I'm thinking what are you talking about?
26:08
And then you watched Wake Forest and saw the plays.
26:11
Justin and Andy, then we'll have to get a break.
26:13
Justin, how are you? Yeah.
26:16
Hey, guys. What's up?
26:19
Biggest problem I think with like the Hawkeyes is it's the
26:21
same thing every time. We keep losing the same way Kirk
26:25
refuses to try anything like special out of the ordinary.
26:30
It's like especially that second to last drive was the most
26:33
frustrating because it's like Iowa State was loading the box.
26:36
Just try to go one-on-one. Like if their D backs beat us,
26:39
then they beat us. Like Iowa State wasn't playing
26:43
very well either. Brocco hasn't been good other
26:45
than the game against South Dakota.
26:47
Like he wasn't very good against Kansas State is passing numbers
26:50
were mediocre like he barely but.
26:53
Wouldn't you sign for those? Yeah, that's that's the thing.
26:57
Iowa is better at 3/4 of the positions compared to Iowa
27:00
State, except for they are too last year they were whooping
27:03
them. OK, I.
27:04
Thought we're talking. About this year's team.
27:06
But given this year, whose offensive line would you rather
27:09
have? Whose defensive line would you
27:10
rather have? Maybe they have a couple better
27:12
cornerbacks. Linebackers.
27:15
Well, OK, maybe one or two of those maybe.
27:18
Yeah, I'm still saying that's still 2/3.
27:20
Dominic is the best defensive lineman on the field.
27:23
Yeah, they, but you know what? Like they didn't.
27:26
Gronowski had plenty of time to throw.
27:28
All that's again, that's how Iowa State plays defense.
27:31
I know, but he's he's also been slow.
27:33
That first game against Albany, I was sitting in front row
27:36
watching that game. He was mentally slow.
27:38
And I think it all comes down to Kirk.
27:40
He had messes up every quarterback.
27:42
He gets him scared, he gets him like don't turn, don't turn the
27:45
ball over, don't make a mistake. And that's what like.
27:48
I see this with kids. When I play, when I coach
27:50
soccer, the kids freeze up because you tell them to do too
27:53
many things and they instead just letting them play.
27:57
There's no way all these quarterbacks have sucked.
27:59
He had this 1st 20 years. He had all these guys go to the
28:01
pros. Sure, they were backup QBs, but
28:04
from banks were all Heisman runner up, Tate Stansey, TJ
28:09
Beathard, Stanley, all these guys were backup quarterbacks in
28:12
the league. Like we were good for the 1st 20
28:14
years at quarterbacks. This whole thing like Iowa, such
28:17
a quarterback is only in the last five years.
28:19
So it's it's driving me nuts because like it's not that hard
28:22
to just be average. Like every other team has thrown
28:24
for 200 yards in the last year. We can't even do it for like 6
28:28
years now. It's been unbelievable.
28:29
Yes, Justin, thanks for the call.
28:31
Appreciate it, Andy. Then we'll get a break.
28:33
Hi, Andy, How are you? I'm pretty good, man.
28:36
Real quick to two things. One, if you're going to go
28:40
shopping in the portal, let's not get a guy.
28:42
I'm an Iowa fan and I root for Iowa State unless they're
28:45
playing Iowa. Maybe I'm weird, but I want
28:48
teams to do good that are in the state of Iowa, right?
28:51
Here's the thing. When you're going to go in the
28:53
portal and you're going to look for a quarterback, let's mean
28:56
think about this for a minute. This second time we've done.
29:00
This second time you've got one that needs a surgery before he
29:02
can play, and whatever doctor is clearing these guys at that
29:08
university needs to get his license revoked.
29:10
Andy, the infuriating part about that is I never thought of that
29:14
the day after they announced his signing, found out that he had
29:17
to go under the knife. That was a bad look.
29:19
That was a bad look for the Swarm Collective.
29:21
That was a bad look I thought for the football program.
29:23
And doesn't go through spring slow.
29:25
We heard nothing but terrible things during August camp and
29:28
here we are. Bad luck.
29:30
Yes, and and and and and another thing, man, like people can say
29:35
whatever they want about Dominic Orange and whoever.
29:39
I mean, man, if that team's the 17th team in the country,
29:43
rivalry game or not, they beat you by three.
29:45
Iowa held them to under 20 points and under 250 yards.
29:48
You shouldn't lose the damn ball game.
29:51
Andy, thanks for the call. Appreciate it.
29:53
All right, get a break. Come back.
29:54
Scott Dockman will join us. Miller and Condon underway on a
29:57
Monday. It's the Iowa Sports Radio
29:59
Network. Hi, Miller Condon, welcome back.
30:06
Iowa Sports Radio Network with you until just before 2:00.
30:11
Let's get Scott Doctorman from The Athletic.
30:13
He was in the press box on Saturday, Jack Trice watching
30:17
Iowa State and Iowa, Clyde and Cyhawk.
30:20
Doc Trenton. Ken, thank you for coming on.
30:22
Good to speak with you. Well, 1613 back-to-back years, a
30:26
54 yard game winner, although not right at the end.
30:29
There's about a minute left this time, but nonetheless, 54 yarder
30:34
again from Conradie. Your take away from watching
30:37
that game. Maybe your number one take away
30:39
Doc would be. What if you can put it into one?
30:43
That's well, that's that's gonna be tough to put into one little
30:46
thought, but I would say that, you know, I, I'm probably in the
30:50
minority on this, but I think both teams are really good.
30:53
That's what I came away with. I think both teams have their
30:56
defenses came to play like really well, although their
30:59
offenses persevered, they adapted to adversity and, and
31:04
fought really hard and, and I thought that, you know, hey,
31:08
team at home that's ranked one by three points, which is what
31:12
they were favored for. So I, you know, I'm not going
31:15
to, I don't think that this is, I know most people are
31:18
overreacting, especially on the Iowa side because because Iowa
31:21
lost. I'm not on that that bandwagon
31:24
though. I, I think they play pretty well
31:25
for the most part. And, and I think Iowa State
31:29
weather the storm. At one point it looked like it
31:31
was going to go into Iowa's favor, but yet they were able to
31:34
put together a pretty strong drive with some lucky bounces
31:38
to, to hit a 54 yard field goal to win.
31:41
That's that's tough to do 2 pretty even teams just like last
31:45
year, Iowa State one. But I I think both are are still
31:49
in pretty good shape. Iowa State made the plays,
31:52
including the double deflection into the hands of hate into Gabe
31:55
Berkel. That proved really to be the
31:57
difference in the game. Doc, when you take a look at the
32:00
Cyclone win, what it does for them, A lot of people had them
32:03
one and two at this point. Instead they're three and O.
32:05
Now you got this weird road trip down to Arkansas State to take
32:08
them on before a bye week. Just get the win, getting a four
32:11
and O. What does it say to you about
32:13
this Iowa State program and having a trip across the pond,
32:17
coming back, doing what they did a week ago and then winning a
32:19
rivalry game, 2 rivalry wins already.
32:22
This program seems like they're hubbing along and kind of
32:24
whatever hurdles you put in front of them.
32:26
It seems like Matt Campbell has an answer.
32:29
They have a they have an incredible amount of mental
32:31
toughness and it's something that's come through time and
32:34
time again and it, and it starts at the top.
32:37
I mean, you you look at statistically that Rocco Beck
32:42
did not have a great day to not have like a 19 to 20 performance
32:46
like he did against South Dakota the week before.
32:49
But he completed 2/3 of his passes and he was effective when
32:52
he needed to be, didn't make any mistakes.
32:53
And and again, it's a really good team and probably the best
32:57
defense that he'll face all year.
32:58
And, and I thought that overall, you know, that's that's the key
33:03
hallmark to what this program is right now under Matt Campbell
33:06
and under Rocco back. There's just incredible
33:10
perseverance and mental toughness.
33:11
I mean, they're eight and one in their last one score game, 91
33:15
score games dating back multiple years.
33:18
And when the game looked like it was starting to go the other
33:22
route, they were able to straighten it out and make it
33:24
happen. And and that's just not from,
33:27
you know, the guys on the field in one day.
33:29
That's, that's a cumulative effect of being able to do do
33:32
this over and over and over again in tough situations.
33:34
And, and, and I wrote on Sunday that for years, you know, Iowa
33:41
State, it kind of looked up to Kansas State and Iowa in that
33:43
regard. They've lost a lot of games.
33:45
Some of them are really close, excruciating almost to the point
33:48
of they were the team that was going to make the mistake in the
33:51
big moment and that's what's going to cost them.
33:54
On the flip side. Now it's more the other way
33:57
around that Iowa State is the one that you know, if the time
34:00
is is coming down the stretch, whether it's a doubling against
34:03
Kansas State or Saturday at Jack Trice against Iowa, that they're
34:08
the team that's going to make these game-winning plays.
34:11
And I think that's a testament to everybody that's involved on
34:15
on the cyclone side. It's becoming apparent to me,
34:18
Doc, watching this team that over the, we'll say the last, I
34:21
don't know, 10 years or so decade or so.
34:24
Well, Iowa hasn't had a great wide receiver.
34:26
They've certainly had more than their share of great tight ends.
34:29
Many of them are still playing on Sundays.
34:32
They don't have that this year. And and when I watched this
34:35
offense for Iowa, it seems to stick out that, you know, the
34:39
the tight end position saved them over the last decade so
34:42
many times because they could count on, you know, fill in the
34:45
blank tight end, whoever you want it to be.
34:47
And they don't have that this year, which I think maybe is one
34:50
of the overlooked factors on this offense.
34:54
That's fair for Iowa. I, you know, I like the last
34:58
couple of years, but it's also been fair when you have, you
35:02
know, Luke Lachey, who was hurt and broke his leg a couple years
35:05
ago. And then last year it seemed to
35:06
not really ever catch on. Addison Ostringa was only out, I
35:10
don't know, maybe a little too sweeping with Addison Ostringa,
35:14
who's now out for a long time, if he comes back at all this
35:18
year. He only had five quarters.
35:22
So I don't know that I would go too far and know what my
35:26
evaluation of him. I thought he was going to be a
35:28
pretty good tight end. And we'll see what that means
35:30
with Zach Ortworth or DJ Bonnamay or and, you know,
35:35
Hayden Large. I don't think it's quite like
35:37
that in that position. But yeah, I don't see anybody
35:40
right now on their roster that's going to be necessarily an NFL
35:44
draft pick tomorrow. And, and that is something that
35:48
they kind of needed. But, you know, I still, I think
35:51
this offense right now is still a work in progress, to say the
35:54
least. I think there's still a lot of
35:56
chemistry issues and and they're still feeling themselves out.
36:00
But they did show a lot of guts and and to be able to grind out
36:04
the drives they did, I thought spoke well for the program.
36:08
I know people think, oh, you know, the swing of this
36:11
existential crisis of fire ference, it's time to move on.
36:16
I just think is it gets kind of old and repetitive.
36:20
You lost a good game and on the road it gets a good team move
36:24
on. They always do.
36:25
They always respond well to adversity.
36:28
And I, I think right now they're, they have a lot of
36:30
growth right now that needs to take place in the passing game.
36:33
Yeah, definitely Kirk Ference, one of his greatest strengths,
36:35
being able to punch out of that corner and he's done it time in
36:37
and time out with this football program.
36:40
Before we run out of time, our last couple of minutes here with
36:42
you, Mark Gournowski, what you saw from the Hawkeye
36:45
quarterback, an improvement, not an elite level play, but what
36:49
you saw from him against a good Iowa State defense.
36:52
Yeah, there's some limitations that I don't know that I knew or
36:56
could observe before he came to Iowa.
36:59
I mean, a lot of that is centered around the talent that
37:01
he that he has now or and talent he's facing as much as anything.
37:05
I mean, you can get get up for one game or something at South
37:08
Dakota State and and that's really about it.
37:11
But you know, his, I think he's more limited in his arm then
37:17
maybe I had thought maybe not as strong, maybe not quite as
37:22
accurate, but he does have a lot of guts and he is a tough kid.
37:26
And, and that was proven too. He's got, he's one of the, he
37:29
has one of the most, I think he's 3rd and rushing yards among
37:32
Big 10 quarterbacks. But he had to play Iowa State,
37:36
You know, the passing game, he was victimized by 4 drops in the
37:39
first half. And I think three of them are
37:41
critical and that has to change. You cannot do that if you're a
37:46
wide receiver and you're running a slant route on the road and
37:51
you're pined, you know, and if you're Jacob Gill, you got to
37:54
make that catch period. And and then there.
37:57
But there were times when Mark Gronowski's fundamentals are
38:00
flawed and he needed, he needs more than a year to get those
38:04
things straightened out and certainly more than a fall.
38:07
And he's, yeah, he's throwing off his back foot towards the
38:10
sideline. The interception was not his
38:12
fault. That was Kate Region, who I
38:15
thought had the worst game of anybody in.
38:17
The whole. Stadium, I mean multiple reasons
38:20
he slipped, which enabled the DB, you know, Cooper to jump the
38:24
route and you know, maybe it was an incomplete pass, you know,
38:28
but it certainly would have been an interception, I don't think
38:30
had he not fell down and and so overall, you know, there's
38:34
there's some things he needs to work out.
38:36
I think Tim Lester has to help him with his, you know, with the
38:40
scheme and, and with the play calling to emphasize his
38:43
strengths and minimize his weaknesses.
38:45
But I think that there's something to work with there
38:48
that I wouldn't have said maybe even a week ago.
38:50
And, and, and I think that going forward, they'll be OK there.
38:54
I don't know about great, but they'll be OK.
38:56
Doc, we're out of time, my friend.
38:57
Thanks for doing this. Appreciate it.
38:59
Apologize for being late, but we had busy phone banks here this
39:02
morning. We'll talk with you next Monday.
39:04
Doc, thank you. All right.
39:06
Have a good one guys. You're the same Scott Dockerman
39:08
from The Athletic. Take our final break of the
39:10
hour, come back and wrap it up. I were to go though Miller and
39:13
Condon and I was Sports Radio Network, right?
39:16
Miller and Condon, welcome back final 60 seconds or so of our
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number one NFL. What's stuck with you?
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Oh. Boy, that Packers team, huh?
39:26
They're good, aren't they? Yeah.
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Jordan Love was good. Bruce Hall was good for The
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Jets. Aaron Rodgers was good.
39:32
Are you a little bit concerned about the Lions?
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We talked about losing both coordinators, what the Eagles
39:37
went through. You know, I'm a little bit
39:39
concerned with oh, Nicks. Oh, really?
39:41
Awful, awful, awful. Wait, wait, wait.
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All summer long I heard that this guy is going to be rarefied
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air Super Bowl contender. They got the guy.
39:50
Whenever I push back, I was yelled at.
39:54
Bad game, bad game, Cam Worley good.
39:57
I like, you know, I like Kim Ward.
39:59
Cam Ward look good. Brock Birdie got bailed out.
40:02
And Kim Ward was 12 of 18 and 12 to 28.
40:04
Look, I mean, I just running around.
40:06
Denver got a defense. Yes they do.
40:08
Denver is good thing or Tennessee would have knocked on
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a whole bunch of people in Survivor this past week.
40:14
Everybody survived, almost including both of us.
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We're on to week two, baby. We're on to hour number two.
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Bama. Bob Trent and I will pine on
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college football to start. Bill Seals on Iowa State, Mr.
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Vikings, Bears, Vikings a point and a half favorite or
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thereabouts. Our number 2 is coming up next.
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Hope you can stay with us. Miller and Condon talking sports
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