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- 0:00If a Tyrannosaurus Rex had somehow managed to
- 0:03build a telescope and point it up at the night
- 0:06sky, it would have seen a solar system that looks
- 0:09completely unrecognizable to us today. Oh, absolutely.
- 0:12It's a crazy thought. Right. Because 100 million
- 0:15years ago, Saturn didn't have rings. No. Yeah.
- 0:20The most famous, iconic image of our cosmic neighborhood
- 0:23just simply did not exist. Yeah. So welcome to
- 0:28today's deep dive, where we're looking at a really
- 0:30fascinating astronomical essay that uncovers,
- 0:33well, basically a scandal hiding in plain sight.
- 0:36It really is a remarkable story. I mean, we have
- 0:39this tendency to view the solar system as a static
- 0:42painting, right? Like something that was just
- 0:44set in stone. Billions of years ago. Well, for
- 0:47sure. And Saturn is practically a brand logo
- 0:49at this point. You see it on children's lunchboxes,
- 0:52in cartoons, on the covers of science textbooks.
- 0:55We're just so used to seeing that perfect sphere
- 0:57with a hula hoop around it that we don't even
- 0:59really question what we're looking at. We really
- 1:01don't. And, you know, the mission for our deep
- 1:03dive today is to completely strip away that familiarity.
- 1:06Yes. We're going to take a warm, unhurried walk
- 1:08through the facts. And trust me on this. You
- 1:11do not need an astrophysics degree to follow
- 1:13along today. Definitely not. By the time we wrap
- 1:16up this deep dive, you are going to realize that
- 1:18those cartoonish rings are actually one of the
- 1:21most bizarre, violent, and dynamic objects ever
- 1:24discovered. Yeah, and to appreciate just how
- 1:28wild the physics of the rings really are, it
- 1:30helps to look at how humans first struggled to
- 1:33even... comprehend them like we have to rewind
- 1:35to 1610 okay 1610 right galileo galileo had just
- 1:40pointed his newly invented telescope at the night
- 1:42sky now the optics of his day were incredibly
- 1:45primitive it's glass in a tube basically exactly
- 1:47just ground glass in a wooden tube so he didn't
- 1:50see the majestic crisp rings we photographed
- 1:52today So what did he actually see through that
- 1:55early lens? Well, he saw a blurry central planet
- 1:58flanked by two smaller stationary lumps on either
- 2:01side. He was so confused by the shape that he
- 2:04actually wrote in his notes that Saturn appeared
- 2:06to have ears. Ears. A planet with ears. That
- 2:09had to be completely baffling for him. It gets
- 2:11better, actually. A couple of years later, Galileo
- 2:14looked at Saturn again. And the ears were gone.
- 2:17Wait, gone? Like completely vanished? Completely
- 2:20vanished. He was looking at a totally smooth,
- 2:23bare sphere. He genuinely thought he was losing
- 2:25his mind. Or, you know, perhaps that his telescope
- 2:28was just broken. Oh, wow. Yeah. And he never
- 2:30lived to understand what was actually happening.
- 2:33It took another half century and the significantly
- 2:36improved telescopes of a Dutch astronomer named
- 2:39Christian Huygens to solve the mystery of the
- 2:42vanishing ears. Okay, so if the ears weren't
- 2:45actually disappearing, what was Huygens seeing
- 2:47that Galileo missed? Huygens realized that Saturn
- 2:50is surrounded by a wide, flat disk that doesn't
- 2:54physically touch the planet at all. Okay. And
- 2:56the reason Galileo's ears seem to vanish is purely
- 2:59about the viewing angle. As Earth and Saturn
- 3:02move along their respective orbits around the
- 3:04sun, our perspective shifts. So every 15 years
- 3:07or so, Earth views Saturn's flat disk exactly
- 3:10edge -on. Oh, I get it. Picture this in your
- 3:12head. But if you hold that same dinner plate
- 3:15perfectly level, right at eye level... It almost
- 3:18disappears into this thin line. That is the exatomechanism.
- 3:22But the reason Saturn's rings vanish entirely
- 3:25from our view when seen edge -on revealed an
- 3:28aspect ratio that is just almost impossible to
- 3:30fathom. I mean, these rings stretch about 280
- 3:33,000 kilometers across. Which is almost the entire
- 3:37distance from the Earth to the Moon. Just a massive,
- 3:40mind -boggling expanse of space. Huge. Yet despite
- 3:43being nearly a lunar distance wide... The main
- 3:46rings are, on average, only about 10 meters thick.
- 3:5010 meters? Wait, really? Yes. That's the height
- 3:52of a three -story building. So if I'm trying
- 3:55to visualize the scale, you shrank the entire
- 3:57ring system down so it was as wide as an American
- 4:00football field. The rings wouldn't even be the
- 4:02thickness of a piece of cardboard, right? Not
- 4:04even close. They would be significantly thinner
- 4:06than a single sheet of tissue paper resting on
- 4:08the grass. It's absurd. A structure that impossibly
- 4:12wide and that unfathomably thin defies our everyday
- 4:15intuition of how solid objects behave. For a
- 4:18long time, the prevailing visual illusion was
- 4:21that astronomers were looking at a solid sheet.
- 4:23You know, perhaps a giant cosmic frisbee spinning
- 4:26around the planet. But logically, if you have
- 4:29a structure the size of the Earth -Moon distance,
- 4:32but as thin as tissue paper, a solid object of
- 4:35that size would just snap under its own weight,
- 4:38wouldn't it? Oh, it would instantly shatter.
- 4:40And in the 1850s, a Scottish physicist named
- 4:42James Click Maxwell proved this mathematically.
- 4:45Without ever going to space, obviously. Exactly,
- 4:47without ever leaving his desk. Maxwell calculated
- 4:49that Saturn's immense gravitational pull exerts
- 4:52a massive shear force on the space around it.
- 4:54So gravity pulls significantly harder on the
- 4:57inner edge of a ring than it does on the outer
- 4:59edge. Right. If the ring were a solid sheet of
- 5:02rock or ice, that differential pull would just
- 5:04tear it to pieces. Okay, so if it isn't a solid
- 5:07sheet, what did Maxwell's math con... was actually
- 5:10circling the planet. He deduced it had to be
- 5:13a swarm, just uncountable disconnected particles,
- 5:17each orbiting independently. And modern spacecraft
- 5:20have confirmed he was entirely correct. Wow.
- 5:23The rings are composed of trillions upon trillions
- 5:26of chunks of almost pure water ice. And they
- 5:29range in size from microscopic dust grains up
- 5:32to massive jagged boulders the size of a house.
- 5:35That completely changes the picture for me. So
- 5:37when we look through a telescope and see this
- 5:39bright, continuous halo. We are basically falling
- 5:42for an optical trick. Exactly. Is it kind of
- 5:44like looking at a snow field from a few miles
- 5:47away? From a distance, it looks like one smooth,
- 5:50pristine white blanket. But if you bend down
- 5:53and look closely, you realize it's just a blurry
- 5:55collection of billions of individual disconnected
- 5:57snowflakes catching the sunlight. That is a wonderful
- 6:00analogy, actually. Yes. And every single one
- 6:02of those icy snowflakes is acting as its own
- 6:04independent tiny moon orbiting Saturn. Yeah.
- 6:07But the realization that the rings are a swarm
- 6:09of trillions of independent boulders immediately
- 6:12introduces a severe physics problem. Let me guess.
- 6:15Swarms are usually chaotic. Right. When I think
- 6:18of a swarm of bees or a flock of birds, they
- 6:21form these big fat spherical clouds. So why on
- 6:24earth is this icy swarm impossibly perfectly
- 6:27flat? Well, it comes down to millions of years
- 6:31of cosmic bumper cars. Bumper cars. Yeah. When
- 6:34this ice first formed around Saturn, the boulders
- 6:37likely had all sorts of chaotic, highly tilted
- 6:39crisscrossing orbits. But over time, objects
- 6:43on intersecting paths are inevitably going to
- 6:46bump into each other. Wait, hold on. If you have...
- 6:48Trillions of house -sized ice boulders constantly
- 6:51slamming into each other at orbital speeds. Wouldn't
- 6:53they just violently shatter and scatter into
- 6:55an even bigger, more chaotic cloud? Like, how
- 6:57does smashing boulders together create a flat
- 7:00sheet of tissue paper? That is a very natural
- 7:03assumption to make, but the secret lies in their
- 7:05relative speed. Because all of these ice chunks
- 7:08are orbiting Saturn in the same general direction,
- 7:10they aren't colliding in catastrophic head -on
- 7:13highway crashes. Oh, I see. They are moving at
- 7:15roughly the same speed, so when they meet, it
- 7:17is much more like a gentle sideswipe between
- 7:19two cars traveling in the same lane. Ah, okay,
- 7:22so the impacts aren't actually destroying them.
- 7:24Far from it. Every time two ice chunks gently
- 7:26bump into each other, the collision absorbs and
- 7:29cancels out a little bit of their vertical up
- 7:31and down. motion. The energy of that vertical
- 7:34wobble is lost in the bump, but their forward
- 7:37circular momentum just keeps going. So collision
- 7:39after collision, century after century, all the
- 7:41chaotic up and down movement just gets slowly
- 7:44ironed out. Yes. Ultimately, the entire swarm
- 7:47settles into a single, razor -thin plane where
- 7:51nothing is bumping up or down anymore. And the
- 7:53beauty of this is that Saturn is demonstrating
- 7:55a fundamental law of physics in miniature. Really?
- 7:58Yeah. This exact same process, gentle collisions,
- 8:01canceling out vertical motion over time, is the
- 8:03reason why our entire solar system is a flat
- 8:05disk and why galaxies like the Milky Way are
- 8:08flat spirals rather than round balls. That is
- 8:11incredible. Okay, so the gentle bumper cars explain
- 8:13how the swarm irons itself flat. But if these
- 8:16ice chunks are constantly nudging each other
- 8:18and spreading out into this flat sheet, why isn't
- 8:21the sheet just one big continuous blur? Because
- 8:25when you look at high -resolution photos of Saturn,
- 8:27there are razor -sharp, distinct gaps in the
- 8:30ice, almost like the dark grooves on a vinyl
- 8:33record. Yeah, the most prominent of those grooves
- 8:35is known as the Cassini Division. It's a gap
- 8:37so massive, thousands of kilometers wide, that
- 8:41you can actually see it with a decent backyard
- 8:42telescope right here on Earth. Oh, really? Yeah.
- 8:45And the ice chunks didn't just, you know, decide
- 8:47to leave that space empty. The rings are actively
- 8:50being sculpted, and the sculptors are Saturn's
- 8:53moons. are somehow sweeping the floor to keep
- 8:56these gaps perfectly empty. Okay. How do they
- 8:58do that from so far away? They do it through
- 9:01a fascinating gravitational mechanism known as
- 9:03orbital resonance. This happens when two orbiting
- 9:06bodies have orbit times that align perfectly
- 9:08in a mathematical ratio. It allows them to exert
- 9:11a regular rhythmic gravitational pull on each
- 9:14other. Okay. I usually hear the word resonance
- 9:17and think of like music or acoustics. What does
- 9:21that rhythmic pull actually look like? for a
- 9:24chunk of ice out in space. Let's focus on that
- 9:27massive gap, the Cassini division. Imagine a
- 9:30solitary chunk of ice sitting right in the middle
- 9:33of that empty space orbiting Saturn. Further
- 9:36out from the rings, Saturn has a moon named Mimas.
- 9:39Okay. Because of the distances involved, the
- 9:42time it takes that ice chunk to orbit Saturn
- 9:44is exactly half the time it takes the moon Mimas
- 9:46to complete one orbit. So for every one lap the
- 9:49moon makes, the ice chunk makes exactly two laps.
- 9:52The math lines up flawlessly. This means that
- 9:55every single time the ice chunk reaches the exact
- 9:58same physical spot on its second lap, the massive
- 10:01moon Mimas is returning to the exact same spot
- 10:03on its first lap. And when they align, Mimas'
- 10:06gravity gives that tiny ice chunk a subtle tug.
- 10:09Oh, I love this. Think about pushing a child
- 10:11on a swing set. If you walk up to a moving swing
- 10:14and just push it at random chaotic times, you
- 10:18might actually slow it down or it just won't
- 10:20go very high. But if you stand in one spot and
- 10:23you give that swing a perfectly timed push every
- 10:26single time it comes back to you, that energy
- 10:28compounds. The swing goes higher and higher.
- 10:30That is the perfect way to visualize it. Mimas
- 10:33is standing there, giving the ice chunks a perfectly
- 10:35timed gravitational push on every second orbit.
- 10:38Over time, that rhythmic energy builds up so
- 10:41much that the ice chunks are literally flung
- 10:44out of their lane. They are pushed into a different
- 10:46orbit entirely, leaving behind a sharply defined,
- 10:49completely empty gap. It's essentially a cosmic
- 10:52sculpture carved by gravity. But as breathtaking
- 10:55as this intricate structure is, the essay we
- 10:58are looking at points out that there is a massive
- 11:00scientific scramble hiding in all this icy beauty.
- 11:03Yes, a very stubborn problem for planetary scientists.
- 11:05For decades, the default common sense assumption
- 11:08was that Saturn's rings must be ancient. Astronomers
- 11:11just assumed they formed four and a half billion
- 11:13years ago, right alongside Saturn and the rest
- 11:16of the solar system. Which seems entirely logical.
- 11:18You have an ancient planet. It probably has ancient
- 11:21rings. Right. The issue is that outer space is
- 11:23incredibly dirty. Dirty? Yeah. Our solar system
- 11:26is teeming with micrometeoroids. These are essentially
- 11:29tiny flecks of rock, carbon, shattered asteroid
- 11:33debris, and space dust that are constantly zipping
- 11:37through the void. They strike everything in their
- 11:39path. So if the rings have been sitting out in
- 11:41space for four and a half billion years, they
- 11:44should have been bombarded by this cosmic grime.
- 11:47Relentlessly. A continuous rain of dirty space
- 11:50dust over billions of years should have heavily
- 11:52polluted the rings. They should look like dark,
- 11:55charcoal gray, soot -covered bands. Oh, wow.
- 11:58But when we look at the data, Saturn's rings
- 12:00are shockingly bright. They reflect an enormous
- 12:03amount of light because the ice is over 95 %
- 12:06pure, pristine water ice. It's exactly like a
- 12:09fresh snowfall next to a busy highway. If that
- 12:11snow has been sitting there all week, the exhaust,
- 12:14the tires, and the dirt kick up and turn it into
- 12:17this dreary gray slush. The only way you get
- 12:20bright, brilliant white snow next to a highway
- 12:23is if it literally just fell this morning. That's
- 12:25right. The cleanliness of the rings is undeniable.
- 12:29Because they are so bright and pure, the mathematical
- 12:32models suggest they simply cannot have been sitting
- 12:35out in the dirty environment of space for billions
- 12:37of years. The shocking conclusion is that the
- 12:40rings might only be about 100 million years old.
- 12:43That timeline is what really stops you in your
- 12:45tracks. When you say 100 million years old, that
- 12:48means during the Cretaceous period on Earth,
- 12:50when dinosaurs like the Triceratops were walking
- 12:53around, Saturn was just a bare, ringless globe.
- 12:56Yeah. The most famous feature in the solar system.
- 12:59is younger than the dinosaurs. It forces a complete
- 13:01paradigm shift. The rings are not an eternal,
- 13:04permanent fixture of the planet. They are a very,
- 13:07very recent addition. Which immediately opens
- 13:09up a rather violent mystery. If this massive,
- 13:11pristine halo of ice was born so recently, where
- 13:14on earth did trillions of tons of fresh ice suddenly
- 13:17come from? Well, to get that much fresh material
- 13:19that recently, you need a cataclysmic osep. The
- 13:23leading scientific consensus is that in the geologically
- 13:25recent past, a large icy moon, perhaps roughly
- 13:30the size of our own moon, wandered just a little
- 13:33too close to Saturn's upper atmosphere. Why is
- 13:36it getting close so dangerous? Because of tidal
- 13:38forces. Tidal forces? Yeah, when an object gets
- 13:41extremely close to a gas giant like Saturn, the
- 13:43gravitational dynamics become highly localized.
- 13:46So Saturn's gravity pulls significantly harder
- 13:48on the near side of the approaching moon than
- 13:51it pulls on the far side of that same moon. Okay,
- 13:53I usually hear the word tidal and think of like
- 13:56the moon pulling on Earth's oceans to create
- 13:59high tide. Are we talking about the same kind
- 14:01of physical stretching? The exact same principle,
- 14:04but scaled up. Oh man. So an entire moon was
- 14:26just shredded into trillions of icy fragments.
- 14:29Exactly. And those shattered fragments spread
- 14:31out over millions of years, colliding and flattening
- 14:34into the pristine disk we admire today. The rings
- 14:38are, quite literally, the beautiful, shimmering
- 14:41remains of a murdered moon. It's an apocalyptic
- 14:44origin story for something that looks so tranquil.
- 14:47But the drama doesn't stop at their birth, does
- 14:49it? The essay highlights that if they were born
- 14:52recently, they are also destined for a very rapid
- 14:54death. Yes, they are actively dying as we speak.
- 14:57Wow. This was a difficult realization for the
- 15:00astronomy community, and the first major clues
- 15:03actually came from the Voyager spacecraft missions
- 15:05back in the 1980s. The data revealed that the
- 15:08icy swarm is slowly but steadily drizzling down
- 15:11into Saturn's atmosphere. Wait, how does ice
- 15:13orbiting in space just start raining down onto
- 15:15the planet? It is a process scientists call ring
- 15:18rain. Out there in space, the tiny ice particles
- 15:21are constantly bathed in ultraviolet sunlight.
- 15:24This harsh radiation actually knocks electrons
- 15:26around, giving the ice particles a tiny electrical
- 15:29charge. And once they have an electrical charge,
- 15:31they start interacting with magnetic fields.
- 15:34Precisely. Saturn possesses an immense, powerful
- 15:38magnetic field. Once those ice chunks are electrically
- 15:41charged, they get caught in the planet's invisible
- 15:44magnetic field lines. The magnetic field acts
- 15:47like a giant funnel, dragging the charged ice
- 15:50particles out of their stable orbits and pulling
- 15:52them down into Saturn's upper atmosphere, where
- 15:54they vaporize. It's like a relentless, invisible
- 15:57downpour. Yeah, and based on the current rate
- 16:00of this ring rain, astronomers calculate that
- 16:02the entire ring system could be complete. gone
- 16:05in just a few hundred million years. I mean,
- 16:07a few hundred million years feels like forever
- 16:09to a human. But on a cosmic scale where the solar
- 16:12system is four and a half billion years old,
- 16:14that is an absolute blink of an eye. They are
- 16:18entirely ephemeral. They didn't exist for most
- 16:20of Saturn's history and they won't exist for
- 16:22most of its future. Now, we've covered some incredibly
- 16:25radical theories here. The rings are tissue paper
- 16:28thin. They're made of a shattered moon. They're
- 16:31shockingly young and they're evaporating. But
- 16:33we couldn't just stare through telescopes from
- 16:35Earth to prove the age and the mass. We had to
- 16:38actually go out there and weigh them. Right.
- 16:40And this brings us to one of the most daring
- 16:42feats in the history of space exploration, the
- 16:45Cassini spacecraft. Cassini spent 13 years orbiting
- 16:49within the Saturnian system, weaving past moons,
- 16:53discovering underground oceans, and completely
- 16:55revolutionizing our understanding of the planet.
- 16:58But by 2017, the mission faced a crisis, didn't
- 17:00it? Cassini was running perilously low on maneuvering
- 17:03fuel. It was. And the team at NASA faced a serious
- 17:07planetary protection dilemma. How so? Well, Cassini
- 17:10had discovered that moons like Enceladus harbor
- 17:13liquid water oceans beneath their icy crusts,
- 17:16making them prime real estate in the search for
- 17:18alien life. If Cassini simply ran out of fuel,
- 17:21it would become a dead, uncontrollable ghost
- 17:24ship. Years or decades down the line, its orbit
- 17:27could decay and it might crash into one of those
- 17:29pristine moons, potentially contaminating a habitable
- 17:32environment with surviving Earth microbes. So
- 17:35to protect those potentially life -bearing moons...
- 17:39Cassini had to be destroyed. NASA decided to
- 17:41execute what they called the grand finale. They
- 17:44deliberately piloted the spacecraft on a series
- 17:46of breathtaking needle -threading suicide dives
- 17:48right through the narrow, unmapped gap between
- 17:51Saturn's upper atmosphere and the innermost edge
- 17:54of the rings. Traveling at thousands of miles
- 17:56an hour through a gap no machine had ever flown
- 17:58through, the tension in mission control must
- 18:01have been suffocating. I read they even had to
- 18:03use the spacecraft's large radio antenna as a
- 18:05physical shield against any stray ice particles.
- 18:08Yeah, it was a spectacular way to end the mission.
- 18:11And on those final fatal orbits, right before
- 18:14Cassini plunged into the crushing atmosphere
- 18:16of Saturn to burn up like a meteor, it accomplished
- 18:19something unprecedented. By flying between the
- 18:22planet and the rings, the spacecraft's radio
- 18:24signal allowed scientists on Earth to track its
- 18:27speed down to a fraction of a millimeter per
- 18:29second. And by tracking that speed so precisely,
- 18:32they could feel the tiny gravitational tug of
- 18:35the rings pulling on the spacecraft. They essentially
- 18:38used Cassini as a giant cosmic scale. They weighed
- 18:41the rings. And the ultimate smoking gun was that
- 18:44the mass Cassini measured was astonishingly low.
- 18:47The rings are lightweights. Why does a low mass
- 18:50prove they are young? Because a lighter, less
- 18:52massive ring system is much easier to push around,
- 18:55much easier for micrometeoroids to pollute, and
- 18:58much faster to drain away as ring rain. If they
- 19:01were heavy and massive, they might have had the
- 19:03bulk to survive for billions of years. But that
- 19:06extremely low mass measurement tipped the scientific
- 19:09consensus firmly toward a youthful recent origin.
- 19:13In its final moments, Cassini solved a mystery
- 19:15that started with Galileo's confusion over a
- 19:18planet with ears. It is a stunning legacy for
- 19:21a machine. So let's step back and look at the
- 19:23entire picture we've painted today. You look
- 19:26at an elementary school textbook, and you see
- 19:28this serene, solid, eternal halo surrounding
- 19:31a giant planet. But now you know the truth. The
- 19:35tranquility is a complete illusion. It is a temporary,
- 19:39violently disintegrating cloud of trillions of
- 19:42jagged ice boulders. It is the shattered corpse
- 19:45of a doomed moon held in a sheet thinner than
- 19:48tissue paper by a constant rhythm of gentle collisions
- 19:51intricately carved by the gravitational push
- 19:54of other moons. And it is quietly reigning to
- 19:57its death into the planet even as we sit here
- 19:59talking about it. The sheer chaotic dynamism
- 20:02of it all is endlessly fascinating. More than
- 20:04anything, it highlights our profound, incredible
- 20:06luck. Out of the billions of years of solar system
- 20:09history, humanity managed to evolve, invent the
- 20:12telescope, and look up during the exact incredible
- 20:14brief cosmic window to see Saturn wearing its
- 20:17absolute finest ornament. You know, if we look
- 20:20at the bigger picture, it actually raises a really
- 20:22provocative thought about how we view the rest
- 20:24of the universe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, if Saturn's
- 20:26rings are just a fleeting phase, the messy aftermath
- 20:29of a destroyed moon, It strongly suggests that
- 20:32planetary rings are not a unique Saturn thing.
- 20:34Meaning they aren't a permanent feature, but
- 20:36a life cycle stage. Precisely. The majestic rings
- 20:39we see today are just a snapshot in time. It
- 20:42invites you to look up at the night sky and reconsider
- 20:44our other neighbors. Look at Jupiter, Uranus,
- 20:47Neptune. Which of those other giant planets might
- 20:50have once worn a brilliant, spectacular halo
- 20:53of their own hundreds of millions of years ago
- 20:55while the Earth was still devoid of telescopes?
- 20:58Wow, that is wild to think about. And perhaps
- 21:00even more thrilling to imagine, which of the
- 21:02planets out there are destined to drag one of
- 21:04their own moons too close, tear it apart, and
- 21:06wear a majestic new set of rings in the distant
- 21:09future long after we are gone? That is a phenomenal
- 21:12thought to leave on. The universe isn't a static
- 21:15painting. It's a moving picture. And we just
- 21:18happen to walk into the theater at the best possible
- 21:20moment. So the next time you see that cliche
- 21:22drawing on a lunchbox, or you see that perfect
- 21:24hula hoop around the planet, Don't just gloss
- 21:27over it. Remember that what you are looking at
- 21:29isn't just a shape. It's a snapshot of a fleeting,
- 21:33beautiful catastrophe. Thanks for joining us
- 21:35on this deep dive, and keep looking up.