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Inside ST battles, Int’l Draft posturing, Zach Wheeler's dominance · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Paul, do you think you can be better this year
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  Speaker 1: than you were last year? You know what he said?
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: He's like, I have a cutter now.
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  Speaker 2: A spring training in Bradenton, Florida. Today, A J and
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  Speaker 2: Kratz together for Pirates camp. Hey, guys, feeling day two?
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  Speaker 2: What's that? Is that your Schemes card? Are you trying
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  Speaker 2: to get it?
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  Speaker 1: Carlo? So we've been We're in Bradenton here, and I've
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  Speaker 1: seen every person I believe on the Pirates except for
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  Speaker 1: one guy. It's the one guy. He's like the Pope.
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  Speaker 1: He's like the Pope here. He has like the he
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  Speaker 1: got his own card. He's got everything. He goes in
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  Speaker 1: like different entrances to the field and stuff. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you Scott in my house. I don't let you come
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  Speaker 1: in the Yeah, I try to hide.
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  Speaker 2: That that door, the that looks like it's just a bookshelf.
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  Speaker 2: And then I pressed the secret. Am I supposed to
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  Speaker 2: not give that away? Okay, never mind yet? Tell them,
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  Speaker 2: don't tell them. Hey, let's show the schedule. Though some
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  Speaker 2: people are like, where are you guys going to be
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  Speaker 2: the amount of texts and replies to social media? Are
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  Speaker 2: you gonna be at this camp?
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  Speaker 1: This day.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have a calendar at least for a week.
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  Speaker 2: We did Orioles Camp. We're at Pirates camp Wednesday, Yankees
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  Speaker 2: Camp Thursday, Cardinals Camp Friday, Met's Camp. Say hi if
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  Speaker 2: you can get inside.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, the Orioles were great except for the weather.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Crafts and Mark came down here and the
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  Speaker 1: weather went to Holy crap. I mean, it's been beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: It's been like this every day. It's been like seventy degrees.
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  Speaker 1: These Northerners come down Scott straight downhill. Yes, this is
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  Speaker 1: not this is not how it's been at all. No,
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  Speaker 1: it's been very Syracuse. It's been like this right now,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta wear shade. So this is the.
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  Speaker 3: First sun that we've seen, and it's nice. Like there
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  Speaker 3: wasn't many redeeming value, much redeeming value about Florida when
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  Speaker 3: it was raining, But now the sun, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Glad we're here. Was yesterday, so he talked about and
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  Speaker 1: the cloud's gonna come over, right.
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  Speaker 2: Was yesterday's biblical rain, like the biblical losses that were experience.
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  Speaker 1: We tried to go to We tried to go to
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  Speaker 1: dinner last night, and it was biblical. When I tried
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  Speaker 1: to go to dinner last night, but it was happy
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  Speaker 1: because it made Mark pay for one less because I
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  Speaker 1: didn't show up. So Mark was happy that he had
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  Speaker 1: to pay for one less. Yeah, look up biblical Biblical
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  Speaker 1: losses is what they experienced during COVID.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, just google that for the owners, for
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  Speaker 2: the billionaires. All right, let's hit some game action from yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: can we see? Or hey, so Lair go nuclear the
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  Speaker 2: new d H for the Angels. Dude can swing it.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen some big swings from Horge Solaire in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and he better have a monster year because if my
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  Speaker 2: track gets hurt, I'm going to be very angry crats.
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  Speaker 2: I would like to see him take up a good
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  Speaker 2: chunk of DH time. That's not going to happen. So
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  Speaker 2: Layer is great, but they need him to be exceptional
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  Speaker 2: there it is.
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  Speaker 1: No rain, no rain in Arizona, and that ball still
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  Speaker 1: hasn't landed yet.
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  Speaker 3: But what like, how many how many dhs do you
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  Speaker 3: need Trout to have?
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  Speaker 1: What if he's feeling good? Are you like? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Because what if you're feeling What if he's feeling good
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  Speaker 3: and he's like, dude, I want to be out in
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  Speaker 3: right field. Oh we got to hold you back. We
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  Speaker 3: need two Is it two dhs a week? Is it
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  Speaker 3: one DH a week? And if if that's the case
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  Speaker 3: of all of a sudden he feels good, then you
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  Speaker 3: sit there.
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  Speaker 1: And you go crap.
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  Speaker 3: Now we don't have a DH. And I know teams say,
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  Speaker 3: oh I can find dhs. You ain't just finding a
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  Speaker 3: Jorge Solaire anywhere. I like the pickup. I'm more of
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  Speaker 3: in the of like figure it out with more prop,
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  Speaker 3: with more players that can bang the ball. But maybe
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  Speaker 3: maybe forty games with him in the outfield. You can survive.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's not awesome, but you can survive.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying forty games with and out at DH, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean for me age, I wanted at least fifty
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  Speaker 2: try out at DH. I've heard some people say they
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  Speaker 2: want to try out to DH the whole year, just
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  Speaker 2: to stay healthy for a season and see if that
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  Speaker 2: would work.
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  Speaker 1: If you still got to run, you still got to
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  Speaker 1: hit the baby, you still got to do your work.
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  Speaker 1: You still got to run. It's not like a DH.
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  Speaker 1: You get a pinch runner. They're like hold on, Like
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: in football they tap their helmet. You know we do
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  Speaker 1: that for ABS football. They tap their helmet. They're like,
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  Speaker 1: I need to play off. It's like Mike chuck and
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  Speaker 1: get on first base and go. I need a pinch
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  Speaker 1: runner for me, guys. I mean, you still gotta run,
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  Speaker 1: You still got to do things. And I honestly do
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  Speaker 1: believe moving to right field will help them stay healthier.
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  Speaker 1: Now we'll see how many games that is for. But
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  Speaker 1: we need a healthy not only for Anaheim, but also
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  Speaker 1: just for the game of baseball, because I want to
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  Speaker 1: see what you can do with another healthy year.
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  Speaker 2: Mariners offense popping off get ready for Seattle. Ryan Divish
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  Speaker 2: posted their first few games of stats. I think most
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  Speaker 2: people that watch or listen to this show understand that
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  Speaker 2: spring training is an exhibition, so it doesn't really mean crap.
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  Speaker 2: But the Mariners have scored thirty three runs on forty
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  Speaker 2: one hits over the last three games. They've committed nine errors,
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  Speaker 2: probably could have been more, said Divish, and their pitchers
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  Speaker 2: have allowed twenty four runs on thirty six hits, with
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  Speaker 2: sixteen walks and thirty two strikeouts. So if you overreact
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  Speaker 2: to spring training games, aja, the Mariners pitching is going
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  Speaker 2: to suck and their offense is going to be best
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  Speaker 2: in baseball.
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  Speaker 1: Spring training means this much right here, Yeah, a single thing.
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  Speaker 1: Spring training doesn't mean oh thing. The hitters listen. Arizona.
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  Speaker 1: We Kratz and I talked about this earlier. The wind
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  Speaker 1: is usually blowing out, the fields are harder than concrete.
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  Speaker 1: People lose pop ups in the sky. There's more runs
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  Speaker 1: scored in Arizona. If you want a good bet, bet
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  Speaker 1: the over in a lot of Arizona spring training games
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  Speaker 1: because they'd put it in like seven or eight and
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  Speaker 1: over half the games are like thirteen to twelve, especially
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  Speaker 1: late when the games. Some of the younger kids come
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  Speaker 1: up early in the games. I mean, these games get ugly,
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  Speaker 1: ugly at the end. So it listen. Spring training to
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  Speaker 1: me means nothing great. They had three good games. I
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  Speaker 1: guarantee you can go find three games in the big
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  Speaker 1: league season last year where the Mariners scored thirty three
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  Speaker 1: thirty three runs in three games. It means nothing. It's
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  Speaker 1: not cool, but means nothing. Maybe not well. I think
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  Speaker 1: that offense, I think you could have scored to twelve
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  Speaker 1: in a game, you know, fifteen in a game. But
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  Speaker 1: that that offense, that offense, I mean the.
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  Speaker 3: Offense out in Arizona. Those stadiums are huge too. They're
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  Speaker 3: huge stadiums that you put young kids out there that
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  Speaker 3: haven't played much. They got to run the ball. Now
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  Speaker 3: there's just a lot of hits. I think there's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be a lot of hits today too, because the wind's
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  Speaker 3: blowing out.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we're back, let's charge the mound. So I
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  Speaker 2: want to get into the topic of trying out new
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  Speaker 2: pitches in spring training. I'll give you guys an example.
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  Speaker 2: The Mariners have a super talented pitching staff. That's no secret.
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  Speaker 2: Their starting staff might be best in baseball. You can
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  Speaker 2: easily make a case have been one of the best
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  Speaker 2: pitching staffs or starting staffs in the twenty first century.
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  Speaker 2: So also they've got a pretty good reliever in Andres Munos.
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  Speaker 2: We've gotten a lot of tweets out of Mariners camp
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  Speaker 2: from some of their beat writers about what they've been
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  Speaker 2: trying out. Logan Gilbert has a mystery pitch, and Andres Munos,
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  Speaker 2: according to Adam Jude, who covers the team, said it
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  Speaker 2: might be the most single impressive bullpen they ever watched.
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  Speaker 2: The other day, you can see Cal Rowley's reaction to it.
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  Speaker 2: They said the second last pitch is a change up
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  Speaker 2: with a ten inch vertical drop. They call it a
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  Speaker 2: kick change up. So a lot of them are messing
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  Speaker 2: around working on new pitches. Okay, some people thought maybe
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  Speaker 2: Logan Gilbert's pitch that he was trying out was a splinker.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Brian Wu seeing Munos's kick change for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: The reaction's awesome. But crats, what do you think about
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  Speaker 2: this in spring training? All for it or don't mess
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  Speaker 2: with success?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 1: All for it? You're always trying to get better.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, J and I were looking around at all the
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  Speaker 3: stuff that is going on here Pirates camp. There's probably
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  Speaker 3: ninety percent eyewash going on, but there's also that ten
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  Speaker 3: percent that you are trying to get better. And I think,
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  Speaker 3: no matter how good you do, you want to do
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  Speaker 3: better than you did this season before. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: think any player can disagree with that or think, oh no,
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  Speaker 3: I'm fine with how I did last year. You liked
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  Speaker 3: what you did, but you're trying to get better. So
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  Speaker 3: trying a new pitch is great. If that pitch doesn't
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  Speaker 3: isn't thrown for a strike, or your elbow starts bugging
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  Speaker 3: you when you're throwing it, you'll bang it real quick.
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  Speaker 3: I never really changed my hitting stance that much. I
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  Speaker 3: should have, probably, but I liked what I had and
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  Speaker 3: it was tough for me to make a change, especially
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  Speaker 3: when you come into spring training and you're first.
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  Speaker 1: At bat and you go rollover. I'm going back to
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  Speaker 1: what I used to know. So it's the same with pitchers.
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  Speaker 1: You try it out, try it out, see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: I uh, listen, this reminds me of of the oh well,
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  Speaker 1: all right, hold up real quick. Just this reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of when Craig Kimbrel the year I was in spring
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  Speaker 1: training with the Braves and Craig Kimbrel and he wanted
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  Speaker 1: to throw a change up. I'm like, why you fastball?
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  Speaker 1: Curve ball is as good as it gets. Why we
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  Speaker 1: be messing with a change up? He wanted to throw
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  Speaker 1: a change up and never pid do in the game
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  Speaker 1: in his life. He still probably doesn't throw a change up,
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  Speaker 1: but he wanted to try it. It's the time of year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: do what you do, do what you do and be
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  Speaker 1: great at it. And he go from there. If you
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  Speaker 1: need a new I mean, munhilsill need a new bitch.
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  Speaker 1: Gilbert is a starter, maybe needs a new pitch, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. This is whole lot of talk about nothing,
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  Speaker 1: But why not try? It? Is my thing?
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  Speaker 3: Like to the point, the last pitch that Eraldus Chapman
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  Speaker 3: through in twenty seventeen was in the bullpen as the
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  Speaker 3: Astros were celebrating on the field, and he goes like this,
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  Speaker 3: he goes poppy splitter and he threw me the nastiest
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  Speaker 3: splitter that I've ever seen, at like ninety two miles
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  Speaker 3: an hour. He ended up mixing that pitch in four
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  Speaker 3: years later in spring training and actually used the pitch.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he still uses it, but he
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  Speaker 3: started using it that year and it helped him.
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  Speaker 1: So you never off. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. It was
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  Speaker 1: a chat.
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  Speaker 2: In the weeds. So let's spend a few minutes to
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  Speaker 2: talk about positional battles. If we have time, we'll get
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  Speaker 2: into teams in specifics. We'll let's start here, Krats, you
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  Speaker 2: can be the expert on this one. How does it
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  Speaker 2: work when you're competing first spot in spring training? You're
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  Speaker 2: a full fledged adult and there is only one spot
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  Speaker 2: and say two or three catchers competing for it. How
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  Speaker 2: fun is that like, hey, friend, but also I want
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  Speaker 2: the job.
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  Speaker 1: That's just it's about being a pro. Like you have
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  Speaker 1: to go out and it's.
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  Speaker 3: Like some people can say, well, you know you're going
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  Speaker 3: to triple A or you know this guy has a
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  Speaker 3: leg up. Yeah, but you still have to go get ready,
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  Speaker 3: Like the team doesn't need just two catchers. So in
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  Speaker 3: my position, you sit.
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  Speaker 1: There and you go, all right, well, how am I gonna.
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  Speaker 3: How am I gonna get myself ready? You have to
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  Speaker 3: go out and be the best teammate you can be.
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  Speaker 3: You have to be the best. Like if you're looking
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  Speaker 3: to like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that guy did bad. Oh man, that's my best
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  Speaker 1: chance now to make the team. No, you're you're just
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  Speaker 1: you're you're setting yourself up for misery. Yeah, And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I'm glad I never came
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  Speaker 1: into a camp really, even at the end of my career,
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  Speaker 1: I never came into a camp where I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I got to make a team. You know, it was
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  Speaker 1: you sign a big league deal, You're gonna make the team.
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  Speaker 1: Other thing. I mean when I was young, But even
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  Speaker 1: when I was really young, I knew I probably wasn't
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  Speaker 1: making the team until two thousand and one, and I
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  Speaker 1: was up for the last two months and had done
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  Speaker 1: enough to establish myself. I kind of went in and knew.
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  Speaker 1: So I think the guys that I've talked to, though, say,
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  Speaker 1: you just got to let it be man like kind
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  Speaker 1: of what you said Crowtzy, like, can't think about it
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  Speaker 1: every day because you'll drive yourself nuts. I think you
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  Speaker 1: gotta just let it be. When you get an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to play, you play, and you do the best you
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  Speaker 1: can and listen, I'll be honest to And I don't
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  Speaker 1: know this, you might disagree with me. Most of the time,
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  Speaker 1: going in, they already have a pretty good idea who's
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  Speaker 1: making the team, unless somebody comes out and just does
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  Speaker 1: something unbelievable changes in whatever it is. But ninety nine
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  Speaker 1: percent of the time they already know who's making the team.
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  Speaker 1: You're setting yourself up for later in the season. You're
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  Speaker 1: setting yourself up for.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I remember this guy from camp, he got to
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  Speaker 3: know the team. That's a huge that's a huge thing
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  Speaker 3: to be able to like be in front of the
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  Speaker 3: coaches and show that you're able to do stuff. But
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  Speaker 3: think about this, like, let's say you're trying to make
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  Speaker 3: the team and you go two for two in your
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  Speaker 3: two fats that you get and then the guy you're
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  Speaker 3: competing against goes three for three. Does that to mean
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  Speaker 3: what you did?
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  Speaker 1: No? Same thing? Like if then it lead you rooting
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  Speaker 1: against guys like you don't really want to root against anybody.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen people do it. I've seen people.
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  Speaker 3: Do it, and it is not It's not conducent for
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  Speaker 3: the environment of what I think Spring training is for
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  Speaker 3: bringing the boys together, putting the best team out there
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  Speaker 3: so everyone's healthy to hit the ground running April first
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  Speaker 3: or March twenty seventh when the season starts. But you
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  Speaker 3: can suffer on both ends. When you're thinking, oh, his
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  Speaker 3: results dictate what I do, it doesn't. It doesn't dictate it.
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  Speaker 1: True, you know it did to Don Kelly. The bench
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  Speaker 1: coacher is walking by us to cut him. Look that
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  Speaker 1: guy that's his TV debut. Hey, I want to take
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  Speaker 1: some swings. Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Can I hit off schemes? Yes, I do want We
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  Speaker 3: want that. Coaches have said that so far. I know,
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  Speaker 3: we just diverted off. But AJ's not making the team,
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  Speaker 3: is what they said. If he has to face schemes
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  Speaker 3: like that's that's all the coaches have said. But but
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  Speaker 3: if I do get that one hit, just think about it.
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  Speaker 3: If I do get that one hit, I have bragging
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  Speaker 3: rights forever. So I'm just saying, when I get that
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  Speaker 3: one hit, it's gotta be more than a hit.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be more than to hit. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's got to be more.
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  Speaker 3: Because Breckie just came by and he still knows that
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  Speaker 3: I hit a moonshot off him.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, it doesn't count. What was the first
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  Speaker 1: thing he said after he said hi to me? Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but that wasn't He's like a man in triple A.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: You hit a homer off me, a far homer. Oh sorry,
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  Speaker 1: triple A, I hit a far homer. Listen, that's all
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  Speaker 1: I had.
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  Speaker 3: Some days I bragged about what I didn't vp because
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  Speaker 3: that's all I had, was bp uh.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever Crats just did is definitely going to be on
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  Speaker 2: the next edition of foul Territory.
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  Speaker 1: Out of context.
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  Speaker 2: Out of context.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, your hair is.
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• 17:02
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• 17:05
  Speaker 2: context on what the camps are like on a camp
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: by camp basis. I know this is camp too, but
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: obviously you've seen them all, so people even want to
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: know in the other shot if you can switch to
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: it that has the either a little mound or cornhole
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: looking thing, what's going on behind you there? What's that?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: So I asked krats with those where there's four mounds there,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: they're obviously fake mounds, and there's every picture goes over
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: there and just acts like they're pitching, and they have
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: like things strapped to their back, and they have these balls,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: are throwing like these big weighted balls are doing all
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Honestly, I don't know what they're doing, but
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: there's four of them lined up over there, and every
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: picture has been on them today. It's a word we
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: used last year with the Mets. A lot of gimmicks.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, we got we got it looks like McDonald's
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: bouncy house balls out there. We got a bunch of
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: heavy balls essentially without being funny about it. Like it's
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: where they're warming up. Like they don't just warm up
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: next to like with a teammate and throw a baseball
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: to each other. They throw different weighted balls up against
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: the wall at different velocities, doing their pitching motions. Some
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: of them start like this way and turn and throw,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: some start closed and open up there's a lot of
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: lot of gimmicks going on. And I wonder how much
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: all these gimmicks, because we're just looking at the pitcher
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: gimmicks are making the guys throw harder, But how many
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of them are like keeping these dudes on the field,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: which every one of these guys, when they hear me
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: say this, trainers and everything, they're gonna say, well, you
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: can't say that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: We're not hurting them. They're trying to help them get better.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: But there's a lot of gimmicks going on back there
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of gimmicks.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. What do you think of the difference between
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the Florida camps and the Arizona camps? If we're being general,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Are there big differences between the two or it just
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: as a matter of how recent renovations were.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: I think it's renovations. I think that a lot of
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: the Arizona stadiums are newer than the Florida stadiums because
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: and this one, the Pirates have been in Bradenton for
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: six sixties years. The least yeah to me, T was
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: saying how many it was, and they've been here forever, right,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Blue Jays have been in Dunedin forever.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: The Phillies have been in clear Water a long time.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: You know, some of these stadiums are really old. And
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: if you go to the Braves and some of the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: newer stadiums, like jeb Blue has all this all the stuff,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: because it's fairly new, it's different. But a lot of
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Arizona camps are newer. I mean, Salt River's brand new,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Sloan and where the Cubs are is brand new, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: even like the A's when they moved out of Phoenix
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Comunity to Jojo Camp, they redid it for them. So
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I just think it's it's a different because of the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: newness of the stadiums. A lot of the Florida teams
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: are trying to catch up because of the cities want
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: them to stay because it brings a lot of revenue.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: It brings people to these these smaller towns. But I
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: just think it's it's it's it's they're playing catchup because
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: obviously they're newer stadiums in Arizona. With differences. You're in Arizona,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: which is a much better state than Florida, so there's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: the biggest difference.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: You're gonna take that opinion.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Scott doesn't mean you're wrong, doesn't mean you're right.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I'll take the middle ground. They're both awesome, especially this
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: time of year.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: How about that many difference is Arizona everyone is in
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: one city, right, So in Florida you have to kind
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: of bounce around to do it. In Arizona, everyone is
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix, Phoenix proper.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Surprise and Goodyear and Fiory and this and that.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: They're all spread out, but they're in one city. It
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: would be like if everybody here was in just the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Tampa Bay area or the or like the Palm Beach area.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: You just spread it out. I mean, that's it. It's
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: just in one big city.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you can't handle a little mileage some hours
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: in a drive behind the wheel, then Florida camps aren't
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: for you and you're a little soft. But if you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: want everything to be really easy, then Arizona is for you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: For spring training experiences.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: If you like, If you like water, trees, grass, anything
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: like that, you gotta love Florida's If you just want
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to see rocks and desert, then you go to Arizona.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: That's why I love Florida. I loved the Florida spring
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: trainings over Arizona. And I know I'm I'm in the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: minority when I say that because of how close everything
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: was in Arizona. But being down here in Florida for
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: spring training, my family would come with me all the time,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: so they got to go to the beach, they got
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: to go, you know, play out in the yard. By
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: the end of By the end of spring training, sometimes
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: in Arizona.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: It was one hundred degrees. Kids can't be.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Playing in our sand backyard. Like if we rented a
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: house with a pool.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, they'd be in there.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: But like it was, there was a lot. I enjoyed
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: Florida spring training way way.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: More to dry heat though crats to dry heat in Arizona.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. It feels like
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: you're cooking.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, well really exactly. It just comes down
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: to do you like eating gator or scorpion? You know
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: gator you go to Florida likes, right, you've had both.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Of course, you've eaten scorpion. I'm sure barbecued scorpion wings
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: or something like that. Scorpion closer Island is delicious. Yeah, Oh,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Thailand has the best scorpion.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That's what he said.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: That's what he said. Hey, we have a Philly show
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that's part of the Foul Territory Network. We have eleven
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: total team shows, fifteen shows in all. We'll talk more
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: about the newest edition tomorrow. I can give you a
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: hint though it's called May Day, whichever may. But the
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Philly Show has been dominating in Clearwater, Florida. That's Todd's
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: a Leaky rubin tomorrow and Jim Salisbury. That trio has
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: been lining up a number of interviews with Phillies players,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: including Zach Wheeler. Here's a little clip s.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: The slider was kind of struggling a little bit, not
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: necessarily shape wise, like shape. It could get a little
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: bit better. But the stone at first a good, you
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: know strike, It's always low, it's always a ball, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: so I've never got chases off of it and stuff
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: like that. Calebs kind of came to me, Hey, this
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: is the kind of the new thing going around, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: you know, he introduced it to me. I tried a
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: few different grips and I found one that kind of
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: mimiced my curveball, just the hair. So I was comfortable
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: with a grip. I just had to change my angle
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: a little bit more. You know, once you start playing
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: around with that angle kind of messes with your fastball
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: a little bit. So I kind of had to go
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: back and forth in between starts and starts. It was this,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: some starts as that, and then the split. We talked
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: about it during the off season.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I need I need.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Something that goes to the show it. Yeah, so the sweeper.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I basically just hooked that scene right there. Try to
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: make this the horseshoe right here or the train tracks
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: wherever we will call it. Kind of just keep going
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: that way. That's my thought on it. Now, I'll keep
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: the keep it going. I just gotta make sure I
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: don't start doing that and trying to make it go.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: I gotta keep my arm up because that's where my
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: fastball is and just trust it and throw it. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: then the split before I was kind of just like
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: a normal split like that, my fingers down on the side.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: But then I started going up with my other fingers
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, it's more comfortable, and I started hooking
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: that seem a little bit interesting.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: My thumb's just there.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Just basically don't even use my thumb, but my thumb's
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: is there for a little bit of brace on that side,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: So throw it?
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Do it? Like the Fastball.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And the Phillies Show is yes, part of the Ft Network.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: There's how you can get involved, obviously typing it into
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the platform that you love. That's Billy Wagner on the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: screen there, by the way, But what did we think
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: of what Zach Wheeler said? You know, it's crazy. Obviously
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: he's deep into his career at this point, but he
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: keeps getting better and if you look at his numbers
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: over the past five six years, AJ, he's probably the
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: best pitcher in baseball.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah that no one really mentions in that conversation. Right. Playoffs,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: he's been on the playoffs. It's been unbelievable in the playoffs.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: This guy, this guy earns every dollar he makes. By
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the way, what makes every start ninety five punches? You know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: one time in the lineup in punches everybody ticket with
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: heaters right here, right, and then he's like, oh, I
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: can throw these other pitches too, By the way, I mean,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: he's he's as good as it gets for me. I mean,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: he's in the top ten conversation of pitchers in the
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: game right now. Easy, he is he's.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: What you think or what I think of when I
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: think of, like guys, how they were taught how to pitch.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Not everybody has Zach Wheeler stuff, but when he was taught,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: like the way that he goes through the lineup and
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: not throwing all his pitches the first time through, like
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: it gives you the ability to go deeper into the game.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Aaron Nola does the same thing as Aaron Nola had
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: the same success. No, but they're not just going out. Okay,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: my best pitch is my sweeper. You know, I'm working
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: on my sweeper now.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: It's my best pitchpp rip.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: By the fifth, sixth inning, he's thrown ninety five like
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: max effort pitches. He works counts, he works the Hey
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: you know what, now, I'm just gonna blow this top
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: of the zone heater by guys, and I'm gonna get
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: some quick outs with that ground ball down in a
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: way he gets his strikeouts and he gets his quick out.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: So to me, he's I don't want to say he's
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: underrated because he's finished top three last year, but he's
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: definitely not talked about in that same category and he
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: should be.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: He's everything you want in the starter. To me, you've
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: got the pitch, got the length, you've got the swing
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and miss. What are you pointing to AJ?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Well, he was supposed to come on, but apparently he's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: pitching today. Jared Jones Jones.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: If you can see him, he was in AJ shot,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: but now he lunged out of the way of A.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: So I talked to him earlier. He came on. Remember
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: he was great last year. He came on and nobody
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't know if I'm gonna
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: make the team or what. And he came on. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I went up to him and said, hey, remember how
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: good you did last year, Maybe we could He said sure,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: And then I found out he was pitching today. So
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: thet count on Jared Jones coming on today, a little
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: little piece of information, say hey, I'm pitching today, And
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I'm starting in the game, pro
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: reliever or whatever. Yeah.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But he was being nice. He was probably either
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: nervous or just trying to be nice to you guys
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and say, yeah, I'll do my best. I'll try to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: come on, you know, in between my prep for my start.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, if he would have said that, I would
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: have said don't worry about it. It's a big deal
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: if anybody wants to have it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: If players are watching right now, here's your ps A,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: your public service announcement. J doesn't want you to be nice.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: AJ wants you to be honest with him. Just tell me,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: just tell him, Just give him. Just dog like, I'm
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: not gonna be able to make it on. Why because
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I don't like coming on or I'm pitching in the game,
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: or I really don't like crats one of the two.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: He's good with any answer not not listen. I understand
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: why he's not coming on, Like he's pitching today, right, so,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I mean again, if he just would have said, hey man,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I'm pitching today. Okay, cool bro, you're starting awesome legs.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Go get him, like, help you pitch great, hope everything
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: goes well for you. Help you punch it Coe his
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: ticket lean off the game. I doubt you know. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And he's not taking abs in a normal game.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I would say, you go punch his ticket just because
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you're nice. Good fella, good fella.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Can I circle back to Wheeler for one moment. Do
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you remember when he signed that first contract with Philly?
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You brought it up Kratz. There were critics, They're like,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: this guy hasn't proven crap. This was for me an
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: opportunity for front offices to be like, shut up, we
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: know more than you to the general republic. And they
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: were right. Sometimes front offices are really good at projecting forward.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they're not. But they were really good in this instance.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: So I have to give credit to the Phillies. Not
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: like at the time they were the most front you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: ahead of the game front office in terms of analytics
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and all that. But most people around the sport said, hey,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler is not unleashing his true potential yet with
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the Mets. That was a previous front office, with the
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Mets previous player development and coaching system. Right, it's been
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a minute at this point, you're looking at like six
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: seven plus years ago with Zach Wheeler in his development,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and the Mets have since invested millions and dollars in
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: pitching lab and new pitching coach, the whole deal. But
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Zach Wheeler was not reaching his potentially and it's not
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: like he was a baby, right. He hit free agency
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and the Phillies found, like I said, the best starter
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: in baseball in the past half decade at a bargain
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: price because he hadn't done it yet consistently in the majors.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Imagine how much it will be different, And he kind
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: of alluded to it had he accepted the offer to
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the White Sox.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: What you mean, think about how much, how much bigger
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of a star he would be if he played for
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the White Sox versus the Phillies. Think about all the
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: World Series the White Sox would have won. He would
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: have accepted that instead of going to the Philly he
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: hasn't won one. Just think, Zach, you could have won
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: multiple World Series if you were a White Sox. Same
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Zach missed on that one. I'm sorry, I love you,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: but you missed on that one. It will go down.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I saw an article and I wish I remember who
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: wrote it, but they were talking about some of the
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: best contracts in history in the sense of getting getting
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: most value out of that contract. Obviously he didn't win
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: a cy Young yet and anything like that, but what
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: they paid him in his last contract to me set
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: it up as a no brainer to like, let's go
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: do the right thing.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Keep him in.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: The Phillies, Red and White, because like, it's been nothing
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: but awesome, and.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: You don't have many innings eaters.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: He also eats innings like you talk about dudes who
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: are dominant, but he throws one hundred and sixty innings.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: They don't have it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Dude's throwing two hundred plus. It's to me, could this
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: be the year that he gets.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: His cy Young? I don't know.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Look at what Sale did last year. Nobody thought Sale
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: was gonna do what he did.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: And if Sale isn't able to replicate what he did,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: or they scale him back a little bit to try
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: and preserve him for the end of the season, then
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: that would open up the race a little bit more.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: There's a dude at the camp you're at right now
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: who is anxiously going to be competing for a cy
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Young Award as well. In Paul Skeans some of you
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Jared Jones, Bubba Chandler now. But we spoke to Skemes
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: a few weeks ago in New York City. I don't
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: think we're going to get him today. Some people asking
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: about him, but AJ, I mean he was talking about
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: it's rare, well mini version of him.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Here here, We got him here, Hi, Paul.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Ask him a j ask him if he feels like
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: ask his card if he feels like he is going
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to be a better pitcher, not just a picture. Obviously.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: He goes thirty starts like, does he actually think that
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: he can dial it up from the ridiculous numbers he
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: put together last year?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Paul, do you think you can be better this year
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: than you were last year? You know what he said,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: He's like, I have a cutter. Now, didn't have a cutter.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: I just had a four seemer, a sinker and a
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: splinker and a little slider. But now he's spelling a cutter.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: So I mean, do I think he can? Yeah, you
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: heard Derek out and say it. This guy. If you
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: talk to the pirates people around here, they're like, well,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: if he pitches thirty games, we should win at least
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: twenty of those games, right, I mean not that that's
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: but I would go even higher than that. I would
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: think you'd be in. You would be in twenty seven
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: of those thirty. Now that everybody has a clunker here
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and there, but out of those thirty starts, if he
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: gives you a chance to win twenty seven of those thirty,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: it's a good good thing. Do we have to say
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: everybody has a clunker. Has he had a conquer He did,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: He had a conker one of his first starts. Everyone
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: has a clunker. He had one. It happens. It happens
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to everybody. Everyone has a clunker, the best. Even Chris
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Sale had a clnker last year and he was unbelievable.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Derek School had a clunker last year and he was unbelievable.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: But everybody at some point, I mean, Johan Santana won
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Cy Young's he had clunkers. Everyone has a clunker every
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: once in a while. Just happens. It just happens.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you have a clonker and you're a starter,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: you can easily get away with it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: So as a clunker. As a reliever, well yeah, that's stuff.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: It takes you three months. You give up, You go
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: on and give up like five runs in an inning.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: It takes you like three months to get that back
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: down as a reliever.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Facts, facts, All right, let's say the Hot Corner. Evan
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Drelic put out a really good article on the back
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: and forth between Tony Clark and Rob Manfred. It included
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: a pretty interesting back and forth on a potential international draft.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Of course, the salary cap talk so we'll hit a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: few layers here. Manfred talked about how he's getting emails.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I'm getting email from fans complaining about the Dodgers. Sounds
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: windy there by the way. And Tony Clark's like, yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm getting emails too, people concerned about their team's not
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: doing anything. Not not as concerned about the Dodgers doing things.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: You know, He's like, obviously, Manfred's going to point out
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the teams spending. He's like, and I'm going to point
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: out the team's not spending. So I feel like they're
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: at a stalemate on that one. You know, that's a
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: story we've been talking about for a while. I think
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the back and forth I want to start here on
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the international draft was very interesting because there are serious
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: issues with the international signing system right now. Right all
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: these deals being done with teenagers and figuring out how
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to get them over here, and the deals are done
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: before they actually start the season or before they start
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: the signing period. Okay, so guys, Manfred said, I want
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: to be clear about this. This is not a number
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: or economic issue with the international draft they're trying to get.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: So he said, not a number of player or economic issue.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: It's a transparency issue. Okay. So in Drelix article, he
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: says in July of twenty twenty two, the sides were
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: sixty nine million dollars apart in their proposals for an
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: international bonus pool. The League proposed one to ninety one mail,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the Union proposed to sixty MIIL. They disagreed on other
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: details as well. Tony Clark replied, oh, it's not an
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: economic issue. Quote, Well, then we probably should have had
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: them engage when we made a proposal the last time,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: which we had never made before, because it really seemed
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like it was an economic issue, along with the number
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: of other things that were associated with protecting the tequity
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: of each country that was going to be part of
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: an international draft system. So it's great to hear that
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: it's not an economic issue. We'll take that under invisement
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: when we sit down at the bargaining table and we
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: go back and forth on the value associated with a
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: draft versus a non draft. Okay, how do you explain
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: this one? Aj the league wants an international draft, the
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: players are coming to the table saying, cool, let's talk
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: this out, and then the League's like, yeah, but it's
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: got to be for less money. So is it about
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: the international draft or is it about holding down how
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: much these players are receiving, because that one is tough
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: to defend if you're the league.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna let crawd Sands because you lost me about
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: two minutes ago when you started talking about one.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: How do okay, because I'll explain why.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I'm explaining why, Scott, because this is just negotiating play
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: and they're negotiating in the media, which they didn't want
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to do, which everyone says we don't want to do.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: But they're negotiating in the media because you know what happens.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: The owners of the players say hey, we want an
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: international draft, and then the players say, okay, well we
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: don't want that. And then the team sizes meet and
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: they're like one of them goes, oh, well, we gave
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: away trying to want the international draft, and the players say, yeah,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: but we wanted. Knowing that this is not a this
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: really is not become a real thing until they actually
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: sit down and talk about it, but it's just a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: way for them to say, well, we gave up the
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: international draft, so the players, you know, now have to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: give up free agency or players don't have to give
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: up thinking about, you know, whatever it is, it's all
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: negotiating and until they actually sit down in a room
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and talk about it. I mean, it's like, oh my gosh,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: it's kind of like where will want Soto go? Until
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: one Soto signs, I don't really want to care about it.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I don't really care about this because if it's gonna happen,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. So why am I going to sit
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: here and stress over what they're talking about. They're just
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: talking nonsense because they're both negotiating in the media.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: They are they are negotiating in the media. But to me,
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: like it's always it shouldn't come down to the economic
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: part of it.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: It should be.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Coming down to the competition part of it. What is
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: going to put make our product major League Baseball? The
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: players be the best product that we can possibly put
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: out there For the fans that are lining up outside
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: the fence right now, they're waiting for one glimpse of
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: a big league player. Whether it's Paul Schemes or or
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Andrew mccutchey, it doesn't matter who it is.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: How can we.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Make more fans clamor about our game as sure as
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: heck is not being unrealistic about how much money everybody
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: makes or who should get. What it should be about
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: what makes this game better, because everybody wins when you're
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: when that's your focus.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Also, I mean, the fight is over like two million
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: bucks per team. Sure we can make a case that
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: that's a lot in the real world, but for billionaires
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: it's not. Aj My thing is, if the mission from
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the league is to get an international draft, maybe you
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: bend a little bit more on a situation like this.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: We all know that on a CBA by CBA basis,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: they're going to try to, you know, keep that number
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: as far down as possible. Anyway, why does it have
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to be a legal battle over the number?
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Like everything everything is a legal battle, everything, everything, everything.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: They want to make everything into a big deal, so
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: when they give up a little tiny thing, they're like, oh,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'll give this big thing. We gave up, so you
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: have to give up. So that's kind of my point
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: is everything is a legal battle. Everything is a fight
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: in the newspaper when it doesn't have to be. Like
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I think if if Tony Clark talked to his players,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I think some players would be for a world draft,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and some players wouldn't be for a world draft, right.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: But I think at the same time, until you sit
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: down with the players and then you sit down with
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the owners and then they sit down together, this is
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna happen because it's just not it's just not
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: the way it works. And I don't know. I don't
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: know if it's good or bad, but I don't know.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I hate when people negotiating the media because it seems
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: like both both sides sound like they're being whiny. To me,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: it's like petty, right, Like, yeah, they're being petty. They're
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: just being I want to say whiny little something's but
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I can't say that television.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: All right, bet MGM Futures Regular season Strikeout Leader. Your
• 39:43
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• 39:56
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• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I have to take Blake Snell, a guy who has
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: already piled up strikeouts. Now he is going to an
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: organization that historically, historically wants to make changes to make
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: guys pile up more strikeouts. In my opinion, Blake Snell's
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the value on there. I'm not saying he has the
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: best chance, but he has the best chance to give.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: You a lot of value at TLUS twelve hundred. I'm
• 40:27
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• 40:31
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• 40:34
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• 40:36
  Speaker 1: out right there is Blake Snell. They're gonna go to
• 40:38
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• 40:40
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• 40:43
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• 40:45
  Speaker 1: wordy of Blake Snell. School will coming off a cy
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: young how much will they use him this year? And
• 40:49
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• 40:52
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• 40:55
  Speaker 1: But to me, the one that stands out is Dylan
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: C's free agent year. He's always been able to get
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: strike out when he needs them. I think he's the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: value plus nine hundred.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yep, I'm with you, Cee. He's been very durable too,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: and the padres needed to make every single start and
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: then some they might be like, hey, you down for
• 41:12
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• 41:34
  Speaker 2: ft fam, great show. We've got really really great schedules
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• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Cardinals camp on Thursday. Friday, we're hitting Mets camp. You
• 41:50
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• 42:00
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• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and then yes, we're on the road for most of
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the month. We'll give you the team by team next
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: week later this week when everything's confirmed. But thank you
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: to the Pirates, their pr the staff behind the scenes
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: for helping us to put everything together today and be
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: at camp there. But Yankees, Cardinals, Mets, the rest of
• 42:21
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