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INTERVIEW: Deitrick Haddon Talks New Album, Gospel Artists & Beefs, Reality TV, Finding The Right Church + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club.
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  Speaker 3: Morning, everybody, it's the j Envy Jess hilarious, Charlamagne the God.
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  Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. You got a special guest
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  Speaker 3: in the building. Indeed, his new album is out right now.
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  Speaker 3: One night in California, Ladies and gentlemen, Dietrich had him.
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  Speaker 1: Says, blessings and favor y'all. Good to see y'all. How
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  Speaker 1: are you feeling today? Hey, man, I'm a big fan
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  Speaker 1: of the show, big fan of yours. Charlemagne the God,
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  Speaker 1: jes big fan. Good to be here, man, Blessed to
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  Speaker 1: be alive and well.
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  Speaker 2: Happy to have you my brother.
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  Speaker 4: Tell us about the sight of one night in California,
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  Speaker 4: because you know it sounds sexual. And when you hit
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  Speaker 4: from Jesus, you hit that from a godful artist, you're like, whoa.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, it's all about man. The night I had
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  Speaker 1: to reaffirm and reconfirm my yes to my calling and
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  Speaker 1: my yes to God, and my yes to my faith
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  Speaker 1: in God. And that's.
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  Speaker 5: In California. Huh, I said, what happened in California.
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  Speaker 1: They had a moment where I just I had to really,
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  Speaker 1: you know, make a decision whether I wanted to continue
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  Speaker 1: to sing gospel music and represent God in that way,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because I was so traumatized by by what
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  Speaker 1: I had gone through. I went through a divorce, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, and before the divorce process was over, I
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  Speaker 1: met my beautiful wife that I loved dearly. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Dominique, what's up? And we had a baby out
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  Speaker 1: of wed locking. For the church, that's a no no.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, the divorce, then you got a baby
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  Speaker 1: out of wedlock. And once the message the fan is like,
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  Speaker 1: you know this guy, this is the this is the
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  Speaker 1: well done, this is mister Sinner's prayer, this is the
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  Speaker 1: guy he's able to sing all these big hit songs
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  Speaker 1: in gospel music. And so I had a season in
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  Speaker 1: my life, man, where I just had to really really
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  Speaker 1: realign myself to my calling. And it happens, man, it
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  Speaker 1: happens to everybody, not just me, It happens to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna have to continue to say yes to the
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  Speaker 1: calling that's upon your life, because life be lifing.
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  Speaker 4: Do you put a lot of or do people in
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  Speaker 4: general put a lot of pressure on theyself trying to
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  Speaker 4: follow every single thing that the Bible tells you because
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  Speaker 4: there's so many things the Bible tells us not to
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  Speaker 4: do and we all fall short.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the Bible does talk about the straight and narrow,
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  Speaker 1: and that's not easy to do when life is giving
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  Speaker 1: you twisting turns and pitfalls and potholes, and on the journey,
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  Speaker 1: you can get out of alignment with your assignment. So
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna unfortunately, well fortunately, you're gonna have to continue
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  Speaker 1: to say yes to whatever your divine assignment is. Whether
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  Speaker 1: you're a pastor, whether you're a great announcer, great breakfast club.
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  Speaker 1: You're assigned to this, You're gonna have to continue to
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  Speaker 1: say yes to it because you know, there gonna be
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  Speaker 1: times when you say, man, I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: want to do this? Is this for me? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it comes with the journey. But that's the beauty of it,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what ministry is. That's what being fulfilling your
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  Speaker 1: calling is. It's blessing others. Why you're bleeding yourself.
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  Speaker 5: Now, it's helping. Okay, Yeah, I was gonna say, Now
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  Speaker 5: you're from Detroit, right, d What up Doe?
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  Speaker 1: What up dough?
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  Speaker 3: So when it comes to when it came to gospel music,
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  Speaker 3: how did you get into gospel music.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. I started professionally when I was sixteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: I was a minister to my church choir when I
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  Speaker 1: was thirteen. So I was just gifted early and started
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  Speaker 1: pursuing gospel. The gospel industry early is sixteen years old.
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  Speaker 1: So I've been in there for quite some time now.
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  Speaker 1: It's about thirty plus years. I've been doing it, and
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 5: So you did it before?
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  Speaker 6: It was well?
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  Speaker 7: Oh come on, jes Well, you know I still got
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  Speaker 7: two favorite songs, amen, because look I was a little
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  Speaker 7: dancer back in my day, and I actually I danced
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  Speaker 7: to that song at different churches.
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  Speaker 6: Amen. And then never Let You Go. That is a
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  Speaker 6: prophesying song.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know just oh listen, she she holds,
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  Speaker 1: she's sanctified, she's churchy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, your new album on one night in California,
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  Speaker 7: I didn't think of anything sexual when I heard it.
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  Speaker 5: Thank You.
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  Speaker 6: You got a different you got.
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  Speaker 7: Like different feels in it, like hip hop or reggae.
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  Speaker 6: You know, like R and B.
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  Speaker 7: Like was that intentional because it's kind of like a
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  Speaker 7: gospel mixtape.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's the way I approached it. I started
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  Speaker 1: just by approaching it that way. I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: just It was a song called I Want My Respect, right,
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  Speaker 1: I had just I was just on YouTube like we
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  Speaker 1: all do, and see what people got to say about you.
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  Speaker 1: And I just seen the slow people just running me
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  Speaker 1: down because you know, I had my birthday fiftieth birthday celebration.
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  Speaker 1: I was dancing and whatever, and people they judge you
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  Speaker 1: like crazy. So I went in the studio. It's very
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  Speaker 1: therapeutic for me when I make music, So I just
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  Speaker 1: went in there and said I want my respect, and
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  Speaker 1: that was my hook on the song. And so from
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  Speaker 1: that song, it birthed all these other songs. So it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a mixtape. It's amazing that you really check
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  Speaker 1: that out. So yeah, man, it was really This album
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  Speaker 1: is really a heat check and kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: mixtape because I'm saying things that I normally wouldn't say
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  Speaker 1: on one of my albums, one of most of my albums.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm singing up in the clouds, God give
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  Speaker 1: God to give you glory, are you amazing? Or we
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  Speaker 1: worship you? On this one, I'm talking from my heart.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sharing what I feel. And that's the thing about
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  Speaker 1: a lot of gospel artists. We don't a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people don't know how to connect to us because we
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  Speaker 1: don't really share what's on our hearts. You know, think
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  Speaker 1: about hip hop. That's all the rappers. They share what's
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  Speaker 1: on their heart. That's what I love about this beef.
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  Speaker 1: You hear what Kendrick got to say to Drake, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know what's on his mind. You don't
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  Speaker 1: know what's on these gospel artist's mind.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's all glory to God, but it's not
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  Speaker 4: like a personal touch to it exactly.
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  Speaker 1: And you got to have that personal touch because God
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  Speaker 1: uses human beings to get his work done on earth.
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  Speaker 1: So it's all right to share your testimony and share
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  Speaker 1: what's on your heart. I'm not saying to create a
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  Speaker 1: gospel beef and do a mixed you know, a beef.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I ain't saying to do that, but I mean, like,
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  Speaker 1: let people know how you feel. So when they hear
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  Speaker 1: me say I want my respect, they're like, what, we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hear that. We want you to sing
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  Speaker 1: about Jesus. Okay, he's so way you can sing about
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  Speaker 1: Jesus and share your heart because you have to live
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  Speaker 1: the journey while you're singing about Jesus. You got to
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  Speaker 1: live this thing out.
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  Speaker 3: It's never got a gospel beef though, right, there's never
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  Speaker 3: been a two gospel art that's going back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: Let me take my crazy. It's been beefs, but we
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  Speaker 1: ain't put it on no song. Gospel artists beef though,
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  Speaker 1: like the human white.
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  Speaker 6: Aliens.
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  Speaker 5: And I know, but I mean, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, listen, we don't put it. We're not crazy enough
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  Speaker 1: to put it in the song. But it's a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff that goes on in our industry, and
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  Speaker 1: we're sworn to secrecy because we got to live.
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  Speaker 4: We have.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's a cold we're spreading the gospel.
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  Speaker 5: But without saying names like what, like what would a
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  Speaker 5: beef be flip a table?
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  Speaker 1: You'd be surprised what happened between two artists in our
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  Speaker 1: community that you never know.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta give you something.
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  Speaker 1: We're doing a lot of stuff. We're human, we sleep with,
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  Speaker 1: sleeping with each other's wives. We're doing all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It's all kinds of human. We're human being.
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  Speaker 5: Love that.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't let me take that. I don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: But because I believe there's a standard there's a cold.
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  Speaker 1: But see, that's the thing about the gospel singing, the
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  Speaker 1: gospel community. You can easily mask what you're doing by
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  Speaker 1: saying Jesus Jesus and not have integrity and character behind
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  Speaker 1: closed doors. So it makes it easy for you to
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  Speaker 1: do a lot, a whole lot of dirt. So it's
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  Speaker 1: more dirt in that community than it is in the
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  Speaker 1: secular community. And I don't want people to don't come
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  Speaker 1: down on me about that. I'm just telling you the truth.
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  Speaker 1: I've lived it, I've been I'm an authority in this.
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  Speaker 1: I've been here for thirty years. I could tell the truth.
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  Speaker 4: One off is more of it is just amplified because
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  Speaker 4: it is the gospel community. And people think these things
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  Speaker 4: shouldn't happen in the gospel.
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  Speaker 1: Community, right, I think is amplified, and it's happening. It's
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  Speaker 1: happening because it's easy to pull the wool over people's
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  Speaker 1: comor over people's eyes, rather by saying Jesus Jesus, quoting
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  Speaker 1: scriptures and we're supposed to forgive, we're supposed to love
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  Speaker 1: and do your dirt behind closed doors. That's why the
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  Speaker 1: scripture talks about wolves in sheep's clothing Now, I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to paint the picture that the gospel community is
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  Speaker 1: full of dirt, you know, because most people are in
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  Speaker 1: the gospel music, we're trying. That's that's what it's about.
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  Speaker 2: You.
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  Speaker 1: You're trying to fulfill a divine assignment while you're being human.
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  Speaker 1: And when that human when when the human side comes in,
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  Speaker 1: it kicks in. Whether you're a preacher, whether you're a
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  Speaker 1: gospel singer, it kicks in. And you just have to
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  Speaker 1: again back to my song one out of California. You
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  Speaker 1: have to realign yourself. You gotta repent, You got to
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  Speaker 1: get back on track. You gotta take responsibility for your
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  Speaker 1: what your piece of the problem, and keep going. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the beauty of the gospel.
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  Speaker 4: So when it comes to the gospel, is the gospel
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  Speaker 4: music is it a sound.
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  Speaker 2: Or a language.
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  Speaker 1: It's a message and it's a sound, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: one thing about the community. We we like to be
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  Speaker 1: stuck in a particular sound.
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  Speaker 6: You try, He's.
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  Speaker 1: Hall, it makes you, It reaches the soul. And so
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  Speaker 1: the problem is we're stuck there while God is trying
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  Speaker 1: to move us to the future to connect with the
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  Speaker 1: next generation. And so the warfare is they judge people
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  Speaker 1: to try to go and reach people outside of the.
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  Speaker 6: Have you tried Jesus?
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  Speaker 1: You know why you can't say have you tried?
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  Speaker 6: Mine?
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  Speaker 1: Jeans jeans all riot and so they say you you
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  Speaker 1: trying to be like the world. No, I'm connected. This
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  Speaker 1: is the sound of this day.
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  Speaker 4: You can tell me married j Oblige. My life is
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  Speaker 4: not a gospel song. That's a gospel gospel.
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  Speaker 1: When I went to the concept to have my hands right, okay,
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  Speaker 1: charge is hilarious.
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  Speaker 7: Well, even with that being said, do you feel like
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  Speaker 7: you have to fully give your life to the Lord
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  Speaker 7: to make gospel music?
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  Speaker 1: I believe that singing the gospel, of preaching the gospel
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  Speaker 1: is a divine calling. It's a divine assignment. Is more
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  Speaker 1: than just a career choice. It's what you are called
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  Speaker 1: to do, right and so you and yes, there are
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  Speaker 1: sacrifices and requirements to represent god fully where people can
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  Speaker 1: look in your eyes and see the truth and hear
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying and know that you're speaking truth and
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  Speaker 1: so uh. And if you're fake about it, it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: come off fake. If you real about it, what's real
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  Speaker 1: reaches real people.
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  Speaker 2: You just quoted DG. Yola and that's another gospel record.
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  Speaker 1: D G.
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  Speaker 4: Yola ain't gonna let up because on that song he says,
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  Speaker 4: you lift fake, you die fake. And he says that
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  Speaker 4: after saying get yourself together, go get your brain a bath,
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  Speaker 4: go to church, start listening, get on the right path.
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  Speaker 1: Now who is that I need to listen?
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  Speaker 7: D G.
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  Speaker 2: Yola ain't gonna let up.
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  Speaker 1: Come on?
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  Speaker 6: Is he a pastor?
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  Speaker 2: No, he's a he's a rapper from Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the record is is old, but it's just
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  Speaker 4: I always felt like that was a gospel record.
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  Speaker 7: So that's what I'm saying, Uh, Dietrich, I'm saying, like,
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  Speaker 7: because there are artists who are not preachers and pastors
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  Speaker 7: and bishops who they'll they'll put out gospel music. You know,
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  Speaker 7: they'll put out music and they'll call it gospel. Like,
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  Speaker 7: how do you feel about that?
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  Speaker 6: What is your opinion?
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  Speaker 1: Well, let everything to have breath, praise the Lord. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: have the responsibility to give God praise. I'm not here
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  Speaker 1: to judge. I can't say you're not worthy to sing
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  Speaker 1: the gospel. That's crazy. You know, everybody should be giving
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  Speaker 1: God praise. I expect every R and B artist, hip
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  Speaker 1: hop artist to do some kind of offering to the
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  Speaker 1: Lord when it comes to music on their albums. So uh,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be surprised, who know the Lord. That was just
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  Speaker 1: at the Jogi'sy concert the House of Blues. Took my
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  Speaker 1: wife there in California. But watch this, watch this, watch this,
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  Speaker 1: watch this Casey told his testimony shook the whole room.
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  Speaker 1: It went from just everybody just partying to a whole
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  Speaker 1: like a church church service, because he talked about you know,
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  Speaker 1: he had a stroke and it was gone. And I
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  Speaker 1: talked to him afterwards. I said, man, you you just
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  Speaker 1: did what most preachers and prophets cannot do. Stay on
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  Speaker 1: this path, keep doing what you're doing. He had Yeah, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he tell and he looks good man, you know, singing
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  Speaker 1: like crazy. He got it back like KC. He's one
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  Speaker 1: of my vocal heroes because you know, he comes from
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  Speaker 1: the church, got that quartent sound and I just love it.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what's missing missing from a lot
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  Speaker 4: of gospel music.
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  Speaker 2: As you just said, the testimonies.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, when you go through things
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  Speaker 4: in life, if you have a platform, you're supposed to
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  Speaker 4: share those things, whether it's comedy or whether it's radio,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's music, whatever it is, or whether it's just
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  Speaker 4: giving a speech, you should you should share those testimonies.
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  Speaker 1: Man, A lot of a lot of artists are really
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  Speaker 1: prophets and people that are signed to the earth to
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  Speaker 1: put great to God's message to the world. Even though
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  Speaker 1: that's not saying I'm a prophet. I go to church
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  Speaker 1: every day and all that. There are people that are
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  Speaker 1: called by God to do what they're doing, to send
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  Speaker 1: love in the atmosphere, to send strength in the atmosphere,
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  Speaker 1: to make people laugh. That's a gift from God. Every
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  Speaker 1: good and perfect gifts comes from the Lord. It's men,
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  Speaker 1: the wicked hearts of men that perverts it. Now, those
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  Speaker 1: gifts come from God. I was gonna ask.
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  Speaker 3: So when you speak about those gifts, you also write
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  Speaker 3: for artists that are not gospel artists?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 5: Do you ever feel a way like no, I can
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  Speaker 5: only write for gospel artists.
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  Speaker 3: You read and root for us. You don't wrote for
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  Speaker 3: various artists. So how do you do when you're writing
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  Speaker 3: those records for people?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 1: I can write a love song better than probably anybody
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  Speaker 1: that wrote it, because when you talk about God is love,
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  Speaker 1: God is love. I wrote a song I wrote three
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  Speaker 1: songs shout out to Zaetoven and Usher Russia's my brother
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  Speaker 1: my brothers, and they let me write on that usher
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  Speaker 1: A album. I think I did say what you wanted,
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  Speaker 1: three songs on there, and they couldn't believe I was
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  Speaker 1: in there, all the young casts in You're writing this
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  Speaker 1: is that. I was like, man, hey, this is our gift.
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  Speaker 1: Were flowing in our gift. This is how we make money.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Then you ask me how
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  Speaker 1: do I live what I do when I go home,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to go out and do letting crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I got my wife, I got my purpose. I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to build legacy. And then when it's time to write,
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  Speaker 1: the opportunity again, I'm going to write you want me
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  Speaker 1: to come sing at the where I mean? Can I
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  Speaker 1: inspire people in that space I'm coming?
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  Speaker 4: When you write for others, and do you try to
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  Speaker 4: use them as a vehicle to get your message out
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  Speaker 4: or do you get into their world and write from
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  Speaker 4: their perspective? Because I wonder how people would feel about that.
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  Speaker 4: They say, oh, you're writing secular music.
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  Speaker 1: No, I can't be concerned about how people feel about
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  Speaker 1: how I use my gift or how God wants me
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  Speaker 1: to use my gift. I like to get into the
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  Speaker 1: heart and mind of the artists and see where they
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  Speaker 1: are and try to help relay their message. And so
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  Speaker 1: that's it. Just you try to express what they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to express. You know. I can't come in there talk
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  Speaker 1: about you need to say, jeu, make a gospel song. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, I help you
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  Speaker 1: do that. If you want to talk about love, there's
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  Speaker 1: some songs that they may want to do. Then that's
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  Speaker 1: not really my thing. So I give it over to
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  Speaker 1: my partner that can write, and that's what he kill it.
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  Speaker 1: And I come in and bring the melody, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's my strength, melodies and love songs, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So I stay in my lane so I can be successful.
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: And you a PK? Right?
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah?
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: Were you a straight and narrow PK or did you
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: have your your wild ways?
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: If I say they was straightened the.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: Wildest.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: They say the p ks are the worst kids, man,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: were the ones have to deal with the most pressure.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: You gotta be saved and holy before you really holy.
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: You gotta be the perfect example of truth. You know
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: among your peers before you really know what that means.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So it's it's rough shout
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: out to all the p k's. I'm representing all y'all
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: were standing up.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: Did your did your father your father's Bishop Clarence be
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: Hadding Senior, right, Yes, sir, did he? Did he give
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: you grace when you did fall short? Or did he
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: demand you rise to that level of being?
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: No?
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I come here, Yeah, I come from the old school church. Doctor.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: If you seeing you going to the front row and
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: they gonna they're gonna let you see so you won't
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: do it again. They had a good heart, good intentions,
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: but that wasn't no way to do it. And then
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: that's why I don't do that. At my church in California.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: People fall short, they repent of their sins, you know,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: whoever they offended or you know, they got to answer
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: to them or repent to them. And then you keep
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: going because we all fall short and come short of
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: the glory of God. Nobody's perfect. The Bible says the
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: scripture this is a deep scripture. He said, if a
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: man says he has no sin, he is a liar.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: And the truth is not in them, because they're sining
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: in all of us. Because the Bible says, in this
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: flesh worketh no good thing. And that's where the Holy
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Spirit comes into play. It's very important to have the
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Holy Spirit's gonna help you navigate through all this stuff
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that the flesh wants to do.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: You started preaching, OK, I'm sorry.
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: Oh you were one said that you was called to
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: preach at the age of ten.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is young.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: Like how was that experience?
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: Like how what do you mean like you were called? Like,
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: describe that experience if you can.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: I literally heard the voice of God speak to me
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: and tell me, Dietrich, you're gonna sing and preach the gospel.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Sure that wasn't Bishop Clarence.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: It could have been his voice. But why, I says,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I was by myself in my room. Guess what. I
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: went straight to my mother's room and told her just
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: what I just heard. She put me right up. That
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: next Sunday, you said, you called the preacher, got me
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: a robe in the Bible and put me up.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: You remember the first serve.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Listen, I lost everything, my trainer, thought and everything in
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: front of a whole crowd of people.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I read my scripture, sang my song. Then I just
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: lost my because I looked at my friends about Yeah,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I was ten years old. That's too much pressure, you know.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: But from that point on, I've never had a loss
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: for words, you know, because I said, I ain't gonna
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: never let them laugh at me again. I learned every
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Bible verse, every scripture, so I could never be laughed
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: at again.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Wow, I saw in the song my respect you say
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: I bought a new sound in gospel music. I paved
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: the way I did it way back in the day.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: And you know, twenty years later you still hear and
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: you say you got to give credit with credits due.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like you still don't get the credit
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: for paving the way of a new sound in gospel music.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I think there are opportunities for people to acknowledge my
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: part in it that they where they deliberately keep it
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: out of there because people it's such a small genre,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: so people are holding onto their piece of the pie,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They think by ignoring you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: or trying to omit your part will help them maintain
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: what they have. And I don't think that's good at
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: all for gospel music. I think it's important for all
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: of us to respect all of our contributions to gospel music,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you know. And I'm not I'm not. I'm just saying, hey, look,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I earned my stripes. I've been thirty years plus in
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: this business. You know. I'm I got my battle scars
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: for I've paid my dues in the gospel industry, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: And a lot of times people tend to look at the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: few people when you think about gospel music, you think of,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: what's the first few names that come to your mind.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Kirk Franklin, Boom Franklin, Gina.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Bell, Bell, I'm thinking about my God, God, God.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: My God.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, gotch no no, no, no disrespect to Gina Bell.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: But honestly, Kirk Franklin, Marry Mary Boom. So that's probably.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: But there's I want to tell everybody there's a whole
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: slew of incredible gospel artists, and I want to motivate
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: y'all to look into them, to.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Them well in the God music.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, she knew my songs that I just know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: so I can tell she's into the industry. She knows
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the music.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Who are yours?
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: Yes, well, my first like my time five? Yeah, Okay,
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: so we have Yolanda Adams do. I do like Hezekya Walker,
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: like the greatest, Fred Hammon, Dietrich heading and I grew
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: up on Dietrich Headen and.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: Uh Tie Tribute. Those were my two favorites.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 19:24
  Speaker 7: Then you go to women and C. C. Wine and
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: bbe One, you know all of them. But yeah, I
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: like the men. The men prophesied you not no discredit
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: and to the women. But you know, like when you
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: want to really feel, like when you're going through something,
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: you can play a song.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: You can cry through the song. That's different.
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: That's your Fred Hammond's, that's your Dietricks, those are your
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: you know, like, that's what I like.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: She has the perfect balance of righteous and ratchets. It's crazy,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: crazy and sexy read and glow Reller like. She is
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: the perfect balance. She loved music.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: I love it too, man. I listened to it all.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I listened to it all. It's incredible.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Now there was a past of that. I told a
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: woman to hush during during worship.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Henderson, man, what do you mean respect?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Respect?
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: And you was you was kind of upset about that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I wasn't upset. I just had a perspective. I got them.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: I got the utmost respect for Pastor key On Henderson.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I don't want him feel like Dietrick is out for him,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: you know, but uh, I just don't agree with how
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: he handled that matter. You know. I think that you
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that's one of your sheep.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: You're the shepherd, and you're responsible to cover her. And
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: if she's crying, it means she's hurting. And if she
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: if you, and also could mean that you're you said
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: something that impacted her. And if people can't holler in church,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: what can they holler? Sometimes that's all that's the only
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: thing they could do is to get to church and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: just let it out. You know, you'd be surprised what
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: people are going through through the week. So me personally,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: this Dietrich, if you come to my church, you can
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: holler from the point that you get walked through the
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: door to the end. Because I understand people need God,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: they need help, and they need a place where they
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: can release. And I've been in church all my life,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: talked about my dad, Biship Hadden. I just never seen
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: me personally, I've never seen any pastor hush a woman
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: up like that. It's a new day, so it's a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: new so, but I'm old school when it comes to that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a young man, but I got old school
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: principles when it comes to church, Like the church belong
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: to dance people. That's where people supposed to praise, that's
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: where they're supposed to cry. When the Holy Spirit moves
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: on them, you hold back. It's not about you, it's
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: about God moving for the people.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Now, let's play. Let's play.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: I don't want to say Devil's advocate, my boy, God,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: don't don't because fatter Keon said that this wasn't an
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: isolated incident, and I don't know. I'm not saying that
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: this is what happened if you in church. I'm just
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: using a scenario you in church, and it's a person
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: that comes to church all the time and they always
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: they go live while they're in there, and they cut up.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: I mean they cut up. I mean they act like
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: they got the Holy break, dancing on the floor. I
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: mean they're just going crazy every service, and they kind
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: of being disruptive. Would you be like, all right, sister,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: all right.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Brother, No, I will never hush them because I understand
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they may have a husband, son, daughter, family and they're
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: coming after you after church's services. If you hunch my
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: mother up, I dare yeah, how much I sing the gospel,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: I'm coming after you. So you got to use wisdom
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: right there. Especially, I come from a deep the hood.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Our church was in the hood. We had six crack
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: houses on the block, and the neighborhood would come to
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: our church. So you can never do anything like that
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: where you disrespect somebody's auntie mother. It's a rap. If
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: you do that, you may get shot after church after
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: you done hollered the preaching save somebody else. You done
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: lost your life over disrespecting somebody. So I just don't
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: agree with that. Now, if you know that person is
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: dealing with that issue, you're the shepherd. You know that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: they've been there, it's not the first time issue. So
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: you handle them with care because you know that they
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: have some maybe mental issues maybe, So you tell your
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: deacons armor bird say go tell them, you know, go
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: do that. You know what I'm saying, But you never
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: You don't have a conversation privately or.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: A man I was. I was in contact him with
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: him sometime in the past. But I don't I don't
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm I don't force relationships at all.
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: And something and to your scenario that you just gave Charlemagne. Sometimes,
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: like you, it's other people in place for that. You
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: got uh ushers, you got overseers, you got deacons, like
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: prayer warriors will go in try to calm that, try
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: to calm that person down, still not shushing them, but
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: covering them and prayer. You know, if somebody falling out
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: on the floor, okay, they'll go get something to cover.
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: If it's a woman, gets something to cover her, pray
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: her start, you know, really really prophesying and you know,
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: ministering to her to like kind of calming down. If
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: it is just an act, there is no shush because
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: my church in the hood too, you And he's right
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: about everything he said, like we have my church, and
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: then we have a church right next to us, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: then like houses across the street that are vacant, you know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: gas station, hood marks like stuff like that. So you
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: just never shu because you how can you tell when
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: somebody is not being serious. Everybody don't have the spirit
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: of speaking in tongues. Everybody don't know. Sometimes all you
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: can do is just how to hug yourself, run around
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: the church.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: It's all about how the spirit moves you. So you
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: don't know.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I say, you just let it be, let it, let it,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: let him go until they calm down. You know, you're
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: there so people can get their breakthrough. That's why you
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: are preaching, you know, that's why you're sharing the gospel
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: so they can get that moment, have that moment of release.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So I would leave that alone. So that's how I
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: would have handled it. You know, every two each his own.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Every man governs their house differently, so you know, however
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: he wanted to do it, that's how he did it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: But people asked me, dit, what would you do? I
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: told him, you know, I'm very vocal about it, and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that's whatever.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: You got the blue rag around your neck?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's a style, you know. I love I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: love style. Man.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, all right. Now, we had Charlie Wilson on
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: the show If Charlie Wilson, the Legend, the icon, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: he was kind of critical of art and be artists
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: who make gospel music, oh, you know, just to get
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: radio play or use the format to get a hit song.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: If I remember correctly, he said that that's what people
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: do when.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Nothing's working for them. Oh and the other genres of music.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: It's the truth, man. I wish I could say differently.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And I'm a fan of a lot of artists, man,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: A fan of you know. I love artists, whether it
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: be actors, whether it be Will Smith doing his gospel song,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his, whether it be Kanye
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his previous work as a producer.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I respect him highly. But that seems like that's the
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: trend now where people when they're kind of falling off,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: they look to God, they look to the church, and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: they go because they can easily get a number one
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: among church folk. Because church folk, we're just so glad
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you done came in here. Just give Will Smith ahead,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Kanye left, and we give him number one. They overwrite
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: anybody else that's been in the gospel industry. We give
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: you all the number ones. I got a problem with
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that piece this, that little piece right there. But I
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: don't have a problem with them making their gospel songs.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: But but there's something there. Those of us that are
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: in it, we live it, We live, eat breathe this.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: It's like hip hop. There are people that live, eat
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: breathe hip hop. We live, eat breathe this gospel, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: so when you come in, we expect you. When you
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: do that, we're like, okay, you coming in, brother, you're
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: coming in. You're gonna help us build this thing. We
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: go on to the next level. Then you go, you
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: get your number one, You back with people loving you again,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and where you at what we thought you was? Now
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you're doing what you're doing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: You got your wife walk around naked but naked we
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: thought you.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Was mister Sunday Service number one album number one. You
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: got your number one?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Are you gone?
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: But could it be like that?
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: That's how he felt in that moment, like when he
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: created like, for instance, we can go even further back
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: with Jesus Walks right.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: When he did Jesus Walks, that's the gospel record right,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: yeah to me.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: When he did that, that was when when he put
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: that out, people were like, what the hell are you doing?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: And it was on the gospel charts and hip hop charts,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: so it opened up.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: A world of people, Oh, Jess Walks into the gospel charts.
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: Uh huh, I think it did.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I think they were playing it like crazy tis everywhere
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: And even when he did his Sunday Service, a lot
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: of people came out there for worship that usually or
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: maybe wouldn't go to churches often.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: What message are you sending now because you ain't doing
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Sunday service no more, You ain't singing no gospel music
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: no more. Now you cussing and acting like you ain't
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: never never knew Jesus.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: But then we could talk about pastors and preachers that
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: that that have been preaching and now what they doing
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Now they're they're fake prophesied and they're cheating, they're doing
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: So it's kind of the same.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody gonna have a give an account for what they're doing, correct,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, that judgment day
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is coming for all of us. I'm not here to
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: judge nobody. I'm just telling you what I don't like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to see because I live this gospel. Because we see
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Snoop doing Snoop did the gospel, and I'm a big
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Snoop fan.
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: Yes you got a Grammy for it.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: What I just what I like about Snoop. Though Snoop
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: went and got the artist in the genre and put
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it on the album, it wasn't just about Snoop. He
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: brought Rance Allen, who was like the greatest male vocals
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: of all the time who never really got his respect.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: He gave He got a number one song with Ran Salin.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: So we look at that. As gospel artists, we like
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: man Snoop is really about that. He's in it. He
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: loves gospel music. He may not have the conviction, maybe
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: have some weaknesses and things like that, but we know
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: he loves gospel music because we've seen who he pulled together.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: You got the artist, not just the big names that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: everybody always go to. You went and got the artists.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: So you love the genre, you love the community. But
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: other ones, I don't see what's going on. I don't
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: see you. You still doing you trying to? I don't know.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not here to judge, you know what.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: It sounds like a little bit, you know how when
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: the country artists be like, don't do no country records.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Like you you stay in your arm b but like.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: No, if I want to try country because country is
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: in my heart and this is how I'm feeling right now,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: you should.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: Be able to express yourself in that way.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: I feel like bigger than a genre of music for y'all, though,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I think in a way it's like I guess that's
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: the way, stop stop playing with God.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, boom boom, you said something about country music. That's
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: what I love about country music. I think Beyonce deserves
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to do any country song. She's from Texas. She lived
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: that life, you see what I'm saying, So she can
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: do that. But I like the fact that they have
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: some guardrails up where you gotta come through somebody to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: just you ain't gonna just make a country song. You
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: gotta They make you work for it.
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  Speaker 5: They gonna box you out right gospel music.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: You just anybody can wake up tomorrow and say I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: want to sing gospel because I'm falling off and I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: want to do I want to get that number one.
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  Speaker 1: I know the community gonna support me. Then they get
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: that number one, then they're gone. Where are the guard rails?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Where are the people to say, no, man, you what
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: you're doing. You gotta live this thing. Bro, you can
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: do your gospel song, but don't play with us. Don't
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: play with God. Where the people at? Where the leaders at?
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying That gatekeepers, I mean leaders
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: in hip hop. You can't just up and just if
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you ain't really about that life. Man, they don't take
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: That's what Kendrick said, no, you Drake, you are you
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: really about this?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It's like, man, it's guardrails bro you you you Doe
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: came in and you did what you did. But that's
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: enough if you go if you're gonna be about it,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you gotta really be about it. That's what he's saying.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Somebody could say that about preachers and pastors and people
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: in the church too, right.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: We talk about if you're gonna be about it, you
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: be about it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: But they will hear preachers and pastors and deacons that
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: people look up too because they're in the church. They
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: read the Bible, they take the classes. They are more
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: you think, tied into quote unquote regular people. But then
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: when you see them doing some foul, it's it's the
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: same feeling.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The same feeling.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: You know, you gotta you gotta hold people accountable. I'm
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: not here to cover nobody that. If you're doing wrong,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: you somebody gotta hold you accountable.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, back to the music, It's like, yeah, man,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: we want we want people to really because it's people
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: that's really sacrificing. Man, to stay in this. I've turned
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: down at least five secular record deals on my journey
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: because it's a calling. You know what I'm saying. I
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: signed a deal with Erasion. It was done when I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: was a kid. I walked away from it because this
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: is a calling. And now to see you just come
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in and just do what you want to do and
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: then walk away and just don't it don't sit right
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: in in my heart or anybody else's heart who've been
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: living this thing. Sacrifice. We can make money just like
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: anybody else. I'm not singing gospel because I couldn't make
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: it anywhere else. I'm doing it because this is what
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: this is me since I was a kid. This is
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: my assignment on earth. You got to understand that when
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: you decide to and I'm not telling anybody not to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: do this gospel, but really consider like this is a
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: real thing where we make sacrifices. When we want to
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: go out and have sex with we can't. We want
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to go out and do this, and that we can't.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: It's a sacrifice. At least we have that hard to says, man,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do that because I'm singing this gospel.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. It's a sacrifice. It's a
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: lifestyle even when you fall short at least I'm over
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: here trying.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: Do you feel pressure to maintain an image because you
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: are a man at the church, That's all I saw it.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: They got a little upset with you because they saw
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: your wife turking, And.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Oh man, my wife wanted I wanted to enjoy herself.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I love every single bit of it. I'm a man's man.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: The Holy Spirit. Why we think the Holy Spirit.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Can't show up in a work, Oh yeah, because that's
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that's my wife, that's my significant others. The Bible says,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the marriage bed is under found. What we got going
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: on between us ain't none of your business. And if
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I let you in on my life, give you a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: little clip of something. Just enjoy I'm letting you in
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: all my life. I didn't have to do that. I'm
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: trying to show people how to live this kind of
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: life without losing your integrity. Just enjoy yourself. You know
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Jesus said I come that you might
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: have life and have it more abundantly. Christians got it wrong.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: He came so you can enjoy this life without going
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: down the whole of sin. You see what I'm saying,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And That's what he showed us. That's what he showed us.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Jesus went to the wedding, turned the water into wine.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: But guess what he did when he got done doing that,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: He went to healing and fulfilling his assignment. He went
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: to the cross. So he's showing you balance. And so
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say the people that got
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a problem with my freedom. I know my freedom offends people,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: but I can't help that. I'm living my life. When
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I get done dancing, guess what I did the next
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: day after my birthday, went to church, to my church
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: and preached the gospel. When the next day and we
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: had a concert, Hezekon Walker came shout out to Lily
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and Lord she came. All everybody came on through. We
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: had We had a holy goost, good time. You know
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I believe in balance. I live it,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: you know. And for people to really understand me, I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: not a religious person. I don't do all the dudes
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: and daunts and rules and regulations. I come from that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I've been delivered from that. I told you my father,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: they sit you on the front row where you fall short.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, you know already repented to God,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: but you gotta go in front of the whole church
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and be embarrassed. I've been set free from that. So
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: anybody just come. If you trying to judge me through religion,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: we not. You're gonna never see me worthy. I'm a
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: spiritual person. I walk with God every day. I prayed
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: before I got up and came here. What do I
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: need to say? Use me? You know what I'm saying. Absolutely,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that's it, so but so so people for them to
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: really understand me, Just no, I'm not I'm not religious,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: and I don't have a judge in bone in my body.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I may have strong opinions, but even at that, I'll
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: let go and I give people the grace and space
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to figure it out themselves. I'm not here to judge anybody,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you know, Uh necessary.
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: We say that, but we do judge, and I don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: think there's anything wrong with judging. Like I'm not condemning
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: a person, but I will see something in processing in
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: my mind on whether I agree with that or disagree
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: with that, or you.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Know, to judge just to come to a conclusion on somebody,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that means the end, that's it. That's what I think
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: about you. I'll never die.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't do that. Yeah, that's what I guess.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I say, I don't condemn.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: People that may be the space that you're in right now. Like,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: even though I was strong about Kanye, I believe that
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: he needs the grace and space to find his way
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: back to whatever that relationship is with God. You know,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: so I'm not here. I haven't come to a conclusion
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: on him. I haven't come to conclusion on nobody. Because
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: people go through seasons of their lives.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Can you come through can you come to personal conclusions
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: about the person meeting? Like, No, I'm not saying that
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: this person is that. I'm just saying I've seen enough
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: for this to know this ain't what I want in
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: my life.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Man, I've made such a mess on my journey. I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: haven't been perfect, and people will be completely wrong if
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: they came to a conclusion on me.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: But you got to get people distanced though, I mean,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: you got to distance yourself from some people because you
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: know they're not good for you.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I don't firmly believe that either. Man Jesus didn't con
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: distance himself from the lady that was called the act
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: of adultery. They wait, they caught that woman with her
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: legs up in the room having sex, doing whatever she
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: was doing. Lady, the Bible, you know the woman that
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: was Yes, yes, I don't know if it man.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: What was it?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I ain't never seen that scripture legs up in the Bible.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you a painting the picture for you. The
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Bible said she was caught in the act. What was
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that act?
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: We don't know, I do, I never do.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Was the act of sex?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that she was caught in the act
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: of adultery, was in the bed with another man that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: wasn't hers. They snatched her up in the act, brought
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it before Jesus, and we know what she did. We
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: just got it out of the bed. What you got
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: to say about that?
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: That is the most playing, hating, cock blocking thing I've
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: ever heard of my life. You snatch a woman out
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: while she's getting some actions.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: This is the Bible. I'm telling you.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Just but why, he says, guess what Jesus did. He
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: didn't put He said, I'll deal with her later. Let
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: me deal with you the one that put her in
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: front of me? He said, Ye, that's without seeing cast
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the first one. You know good and well, you got
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: your own dirt. I'm not gonna disconnect myself from her
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in her low estate or when she's trying to figure
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: it out. It's a reason why she's dealing with what
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: she's dealing with that started early in her life. Jesus
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: is dead to love people in whatever state they're in, period.
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: But what if that is to your detriment?
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I'm with you on everything.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's people that need help and and going through
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: things that I pray for them the best, but I can't.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: Even help them to a point.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: But when they want your detriment, when they's somebody that's
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: trying to hurt you, yes, that's taking your the love
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: or are the things that make you happy in your
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: life and trying to turn it around. How do you
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: stay I'm gonna help that person, or I'm still gonna
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: show grace to that person.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: That's the price of the cross man, that's the price
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of walking with Jesus. That's what Jesus did. He took
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: on all of our sins to the cross at the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: price of people coming to conclusions on him. The people
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: who put him on the cross. Were people saying he's
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a he's this, he's that, and that they lied on him.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: It was his character was was on the on the judgment,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: you know. And Cross the Bell said again.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: What about the saying it ain't my cross the.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Bell, it's your Listen, if you called to help people,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: you can't worry about what people think about what you're doing.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: You got to go do it. That's what Jesus did.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: That's what if it's not mine, Cross the Bell.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: If it ain't your cross the bed, then you leave
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: it alone after.
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: You.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: But if you're representing Jesus, you can't worry about what
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: people gonna think about you. You got to go in.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: When everybody turning their backs on the individual, you gotta
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: go in.
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: But you go in.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: But what about something that's evil? Right, that there is
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: no turning back, That their whole existence is evil and
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: no matter what you do, and no matter how you
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: try to help, they are the devil.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: I feel I feel like saying somebody's whole existence is
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: evil is condemning them.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that everybody's whole, entire existence.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And some people that's got this full of the me too.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: I'm like, where are we going is evil? What is
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: it are we doing in Exasus?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: So if some people are full of the devil, what
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: do you do?
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: You lead them alone? You pray for them, That's what
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: I would think.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: But I'm away from that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: But for me, you just pray for that person because
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: obviously that ain't a job for man. That's not a
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: job for man. That's that's a job for God.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And Dandrick. You got a song called save.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yourself, Yes, sir, I wrote that song the Bible does
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to save yourself from this untoward generation. But you gotta
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: love people, man, no matter what. And that's that's the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: part of the job. That's the part of the job. Man.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Some people come to your church, your pastor, and people
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: just got off death row, just barely made it. You know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you gotta love them. Some people have done the worst
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: things ever, that's your job. Jesus belongs to everybody, and
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: if you're going to be a representative of Jesus, you
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: can't worry about what people think. You gotta always be
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the one to go drawing closer to people. And if
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: here's the thing, if you do, against all odds, love
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: people through it all, and you still do what you're doing. Hey,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's on your record on Judgment.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Day, Charlamagne feels like sometimes God's uh, sometimes those those
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: prayers that go to God's bamfolder.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: Okay, I hate when you quotes me because you be
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: quoting me.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: You never heard you say I've been that. Ever hear
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: you say.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure that out. God got jumped.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: Now.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: I just be saying, sometimes don't waste God's time which things?
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is, you know there
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: are certain things he has God he or she has
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: given you the will to figure those things out on
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: your your own. And I think sometimes we waste God's
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: time with frivolous, you know, prayers and it goes into spamfold.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I agree. Some people don't. They don't mean what they're
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: praying about. They don't believe what they're praying for. So
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you're like, you waste the time. The Bible said when
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: you pray, you gotta believe what you're asking for, and
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: if you don't believe, it won't happen for you.
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: You got the good brother D one on D one
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: change man, how that connection happens.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: That's my boy man. I've been knowing him for quite
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: some time, and I just love his mission. How he's
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: bold and holding the hip hop community accountable. I think
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: it's incredible. He's not doing it in a religious way.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: He's being bold just as bold as they are. He's bold,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and I just wanted to connect with them. People like that, man,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I could. I want them on my albums all day.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I want to hear what you have to say, what
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. Hopefully I can make a record with him,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: a whole record with him.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: You know, I respect d One.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: A lot of people do feel like he is very
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: judgment to though when it comes to, you know, other people,
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: for other artists.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to say to that. I think
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: he's very strongly opinionated. But and he's passionate about, you know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: holding the community accountable because there are young people that
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: are listening to the music. So you it's easy to
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: say he's judgmental, you know, because he's coming so strong.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's judgmental. I think he's just
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: he's holding you. He's holding you, colmb but he's grabbing
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you at the colin. Say hey, bro, you Rick Ross,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You know who you are?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: You can see these kids. Somebody got to do it,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and so he's called to do that.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: Is there differ between accountability and judgment? Is it a
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: thin line? Are they two totally different.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Two totally different things. Judgment is to come to conclusions
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: on somebody and that's it. That is all. I'm you know,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: past the judgment, the verdict, everything, it's just you, that's it.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: To hold accountable is to say, hey, look.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: You could do better.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Yo, don't try to get around it. This is it, bro,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: that's I'm holding you accountable.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. That makes makes the.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Question for you before we please. I always wanted to
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: know because I know names are powerful. Charlemagne, the God
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: tell me that piece.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: Well, very good question.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, growing up, you know, we
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: studied the five percent teachings, and you know, and in
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: the five percent teachings they teach you God is a
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Greek word to ride from me and Raymond words gumar
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: as the ball, which means widam, script and beauty, and
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: the first letter of each word was used by Greek
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: students when they would identify with their Egyptian you know teachers,
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: So it was you know God, and then you know
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: in the five percent tas the teach you that the
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: black man is God.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: So in a lot of ways, it was an affirmation.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: There was a great book I read back in the
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: day called From Niggas to Gods, you know, by a
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: Kill and it was just all about evolution.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It was about getting rid of that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Nigga mindset, doing away with the nigga mindset, and evolving
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: to the God in you.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Because you can either submit your will to.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: The higher level in you, which is the God, and
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: you are submit your will to the lower level in you,
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  Speaker 4: which is the devil. So I just you know, that
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  Speaker 4: was just something that a lot of us, and still
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  Speaker 4: not a lot of us, A lot of people, you know,
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  Speaker 4: still say we're God.
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  Speaker 2: You say peace God. You know.
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  Speaker 4: Are you addressed a black woman, you say peace queen.
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  Speaker 4: You know she's a goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So it's just something to aspire to, you know, not
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  Speaker 4: saying I am God, right right, you know. But if
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: God created man in his image according to his likeness Boom,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: then I am Boom, you know, in the image and
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: likeness of my father, lower case G, lawer case G.
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  Speaker 1: But I have the most respect for that man. I
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: always wanted to know. I said, we're gonna ask you
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that when I say, you absolutely, and I think that's powerful.
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  Speaker 1: I think names are very powerful. What you declare your
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: name is what how people know you. And it's what
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  Speaker 1: you declare in the earth. So if you said, Charlmagne
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the God, you said, you know I'm a child of
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: God or you know the God in me? I think
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: that's a powerful thing. Everybody say, what's your government?
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  Speaker 5: I appreciate you for joining us? This sak what record?
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  Speaker 2: You want to hear?
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  Speaker 5: The album?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Oh? Man, play them all play one night in California.
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  Speaker 1: That's the title cut.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, I have two more questions. Oh yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: you know. I think this is a good question.
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  Speaker 4: You know, because the perception of a pastor is that
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: everything they do is for God and not for financial gain.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: So a lot of people would say, you know, why
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: would you do the reality TV show Preachers of l It.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: It came about when I was at the lower state
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: of in my ministry, went through the worst season of
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: my life. I had again, I divorced, and then I
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: had met my wife. Within three months within that divorce process,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: we started having sex. We had my first child, Destined.
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  Speaker 1: She's twelve now I got a call from a great preacher.
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  Speaker 1: He's deceased now rest in peace, Zachary Thames. Out of
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the blue when I went to La and he said, Dietrich,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I felt lad to call you. Man, what's going on
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  Speaker 1: with you? I started crying on the phone, like, Man,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I would have messed up real bad. Once the folks
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: here what I've done. I'll never be able to inspire
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: people again, and I'll never be able to get up
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  Speaker 1: and sing or preach because they're not going to believe
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  Speaker 1: in me because I you know, you know. Anyway, I
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: was on the phone with him, man, and then the
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: idea came about. I said, man, why don't we just
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: we need a reality show for preachers like us that
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: make mistakes, Like you can't expect to live eighty to
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: two hundred years on the planet Earth and not make
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: mistakes even though you're a preacher. We trying our best.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Well I fell short. I think people need to see
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: not just hear about what Dietrich did, but see Dietrich
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: come through it. How I get back to where I
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: need to be. And that's how Preachers of La came about.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I created that show, gave it to Holly Carter shout
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: out to Holly Carter, Lemmy Plumber and we did it, man,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and it changed the It shifted culture in the church
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: where preachers had to now become more trans become more transparent.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: And now they're seeing that there's ministry in transparency. Now
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the preachers are dressing down and saying I need Jesus too.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Before then, wasn't nobody saying that. They were saying, you
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: need Jesus and you need to get it right. Now
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: that members are saying, okay, Pastor Dietrich is letting us
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: in on his life. Bishop Noah Jones was one of
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the greatest preachers of all times, philosophers. He's letting you
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: us in on his life. What's up with you, Pastor?
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  Speaker 1: They're looking at you. So now the pastor, okay, let
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  Speaker 1: me Now, I got to let people in just a
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: little bit on who I really am. Don't just preach
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  Speaker 1: at me and throw Jesus at me. Let me know
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: who you are, pastor. And so that's the wonderful thing
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: about Preachers.
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  Speaker 2: Of LA and the show. The show's coming back, right.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: We did a reunion show. They're calling for it back.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Their networks trying to see you know, that was a
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: tough season for all of us, a lot of you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: it affected us all differently. Some churches kind of fell off,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you know, because people it's you know, it never was
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: never done before.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: So how would it's time to be different? Being at
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: your mindset is different, You're in a different space.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Oh you can handle it now. Now you've stepped back,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: spent ten years ago. You can you take a look
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  Speaker 1: at what worked, what didn't work is easy now it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: easy work. So I think I think it's incredible. I
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: think it needs to come back. Shows like that need
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: to come back to help the church now process what's
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  Speaker 1: going on in our world.
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  Speaker 4: How do you feel about megachurches? Do you feel like
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: they help or her?
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  Speaker 1: I was just talking about that. I'm not a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of megachurches. I got a lot of people to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: follow me my church, my in person church is not
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: that large, but people my online church is massive. I
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: just think the more people, the more blood on your
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  Speaker 1: hands if you fall short and if you make people
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: turn away from God because of your shortcomings.
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  Speaker 3: But it doesn't start off as a megachurch. It start
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: off a small church and it just continues to grow
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  Speaker 3: and grow and.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Well that's where you delegate.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Other stop, do you slow down because people want to
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: hear you speak just like yourself. I'm sure your church
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: could be decided, your congregation could be huge.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: You know, you gotta delegate because each soul is important
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to God, Each individual is very important to God. And
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: so it's bigger than just saying I got a big church.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I got thirty thousand. That only mean nothing to me.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I've seen the thirty thousand church go down to nothing,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: literally nothing. I was there seeing the people coming in
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: and droves thirty thousand people. Now it's nothing. The pastor's
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: not even married anymore, So none of that moves me anymore.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of just saw that with hisill song too.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: The mega church is old. It's too much hype. You
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: gotta get back down the old school church. Where church
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: is like a family, where you your pastor knew you.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: The pastor knows your family. They know you, they know
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: you when you come in there, you know, to bury
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: you your family and to marry you, they know you.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: That's the way I was raised and that's the way
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I like my church, my Hill City church. Have you
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: ever come to Los Angeles? It's a family it's growing,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: but when it gets too big, I'm gonna turn it. Delegates. Hey, y'all,
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: go over there to Pastor Guy Reeves. He's one of
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: my associate pastors. Go to Pastor Guy Reeves, and and
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: and keep doing that because even remember when Moses father
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: in law told them, man, you got too many children.
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  Speaker 1: That is how you're gonna handle this. All these people,
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  Speaker 1: these people need care, personal care. You need to delegate.
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  Speaker 5: Bro.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be all about you. You need help. You
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  Speaker 1: can't even handle all these souls. And think about it,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: The Bible says, the souls, the blood of those people
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  Speaker 1: are gonna be on your hands. The more people you get,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: the more responsibility to whom much is given, much is required.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: You think you want a big church, No you don't.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: You want the people that are called to you that
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  Speaker 1: you can really help through life, life's issues. You want them.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: You want like Jesus, even Jesus. The crowds followed him,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: but he had twelve you know what I'm saying, to
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: help them, and they were work. Peter wanted to cut
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: and cuts people out. The first chance he got. He
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: was pastoring them. You see what I'm saying. So where
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: are the pastors who really care for the people. It's
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: not about having a big church who cares. I'm not
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: impressed people come to me and say, dt, I got
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  Speaker 1: this many people, and that don't mean nothing to me.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: I'll be while they're talking like this, brother, that blood
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  Speaker 1: is on your hands. That's what I'm thinking. You better
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: figure out a way to really paster those people. And
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: that's what you need to be figuring out. Are any
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  Speaker 1: telling me how many people you got?
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  Speaker 4: Ye? Are any mega churches doing it right? Because I mean,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: based off what you said, Potterhouse comes to mind immediately,
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: because they do delegate a lot of different pastoral duties
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  Speaker 4: to a lot of different pastors.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I think mister Jenks is doing it right. I still
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: think that, you know, I'm not. I don't know how
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: people have their ministries organized, So I don't want to
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: say that all ministries are like that, but uh, you know,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: you got to you gotta delegate, and you gotta oversee
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: these people. You gotta shepherd these people. You have to
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: love these people, you have to care for these people,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: and you can't do it when you have so many people.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm not coming to a megachurch for I
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: mean I'm not. I don't want to go to church
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  Speaker 7: for a presentation. I want to I don't want a connection.
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: I want to feel like you have a go to
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: church and you know your your pastor feel like you're
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: talking to you.
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, I.
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: Love that, that intimate that that because I still go
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  Speaker 7: to the same church that I was born in, like,
• 51:10
  Speaker 7: will never not stop going there, you know. But I
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: know I have a relationship with the bishop and his family,
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I know my first lady,
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: I know her kids, like they know how to cover
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: me when I'm on the road. And because I have
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: a lot of I'm a standing comedian, I meet a
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: lot of people, you know, I do meet and Greece
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: and stuff like that. So a lot of that energy
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: is contagious and a lot of it is draining.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: You don't want it on you.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 7: I just don't feel right sitting in a megachurch where
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: it's more of a presentation. It's like I don't feel
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: that spiritual food. I'm not being fed there.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people fled to megachurches because
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: of church hurt. Also because when you deal with family churches,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: you deal with stuff just like you do in the family.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: So a lot of people fled a lot of small
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: churches back in the day to retreat to just big churches.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: The lights are turned down. They could just hide in
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: there and get their word and go. But you still
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: need somebody to hold you accountable, to look out for
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: your soul. And I don't think that's the solution hiding
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  Speaker 1: in a dark room like you at the movie theater.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. No, you need a church,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: You need a pastor. You need to find the right one, though,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: because there's bad leadership everywhere. You know what I'm saying,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it's bad people everywhere. You've got to find the pastor
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: that's after God's heart for you and your family, and
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: they're there. Like my father, he's been don't He ain't
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: trying to go viral. He's eighty five years old. He's
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: been pastor since I was born, loving people, just doing
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: what it's called to do, through ups and downs, not
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: trying to be a star. He's just and he's got
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: old doing it. So I know that they're great leaders
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: out there that will love your family, and so you
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: just got to search for them in your city.
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  Speaker 5: Right well, Dietrick, we appreciate you for joining us today.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: One night in California's out right.
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Now, that's right, and it's the Breakfast Clo.
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: The brother got to end us with a prayer. What
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: as you're doing?
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Come on then, Father, we thank you for the Breakfast
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Club and what they mean to the culture. God continued
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: to elevate them, continue to bless them, give them the wisdom,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: the strength, and the fortitude to continue to do what
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: you call them to do. Continue to give them the
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: heart to open up doors for people that are called
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: to speak for you. On your behalf, I give you
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: praise for them. Bless their families, Bless everything they put
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: their hearts to do. Just touch them, God, and just
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: continue to do what you're doing for them and Jesus
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: name I pray. Amen.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: Amen, man, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club