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S6, Ep 124: Fly Tying with Chase Smith · The Articulate Fly

• 0:04
  Hey
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  folks,
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  it's
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  Marvin
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  Cash,
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  the
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  host
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  of
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  the
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  articulate
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  fly.
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  On
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  this
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  episode,
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  I'm
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  joined
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  by
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  Chase
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  Smith,
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  the
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  fly
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  designer
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  behind
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  the
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  spiral
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  spook.
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  Chase
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  and
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  I
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  take
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  a
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  deep
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  dive
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  into
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  his
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  design
• 0:15
  philosophy
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  process,
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  the
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  evolution
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  of
• 0:17
  the
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  spiral
• 0:18
  spook,
• 0:19
  upcoming
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  creations,
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  and
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  much
• 0:20
  more.
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  But
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  before
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  we
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  get
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  to
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  the
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  interview,
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  just
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  a
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  couple
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  of
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  housekeeping
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  items.
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  you
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  like
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  the
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  podcast,
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  please
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  tell
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  and
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  please
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  in
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  of
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  your
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  choice.
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  It
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  really
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  helps
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  us
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  out.
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  And
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  a
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  shout
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  out
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  to
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  our
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  routes
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  I've
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  known
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  Zach
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  and
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  the
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  team
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  at
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  Trout
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  routes
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  almost
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  before
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  Zach
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  had
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  a
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  team
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  at
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  Trout
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  Routes.
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  We
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  all
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  know
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  streams
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  are
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  getting
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  crowded,
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  and
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  chances
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  are
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  you're
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  not
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  the
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  only
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  one
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  at
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  your
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  local
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  access
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  point.
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  Get
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  away
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  from
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  the
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  crowds
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  and
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  busy
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  gravel
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  lots
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  by
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  using
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  Trout
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  Pro,
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  with
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  over
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  points
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  mapped
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  across
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  50,000
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  trout
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  streams
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  and
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  much
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  more,
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  trout
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  routes,
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  has
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  all
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  the
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  data
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  you
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  need
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  to
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  help
• 0:59
  you
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  find
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  angling
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  opportunities
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  others
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  will
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  overlook.
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  for
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  20%
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  now
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  on
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  to
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  our
• 1:16
  interview.
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  Well,
• 1:18
  Chase,
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  welcome
• 1:19
  to
• 1:19
  the
• 1:19
  articulate
• 1:20
  fly.
• 1:21
  Thanks
• 1:22
  for
• 1:22
  having
• 1:22
  me
• 1:22
  on,
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  Marvin.
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  I'm
• 1:23
  excited.
• 1:23
  Yeah,
• 1:24
  I'm
• 1:24
  looking
• 1:24
  forward
• 1:24
  to
• 1:24
  it.
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  And
• 1:24
  we
• 1:25
  have
• 1:25
  a
• 1:25
  tradition
• 1:25
  on
• 1:25
  the
• 1:25
  articulate
• 1:26
  fly.
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  We
• 1:26
  like
• 1:26
  to
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  ask
• 1:27
  all
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  of
• 1:27
  our
• 1:27
  guests
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  to
• 1:28
  share
• 1:28
  their
• 1:28
  earliest
• 1:29
  fishing
• 1:29
  memory.
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  Yeah,
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  let
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  me
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  think.
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  Honestly,
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  whenever
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  someone
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  asked
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  me
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  about
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  the
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  first
• 1:39
  time
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  fishing,
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  I
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  usually
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  think
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  about
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  going
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  with
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  my
• 1:43
  granddad
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  out
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  to
• 1:44
  Lake
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  Amistad
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  in
• 1:45
  Texas,
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  and
• 1:46
  we
• 1:47
  went
• 1:47
  to
• 1:47
  Walmart
• 1:47
  and
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  bought
• 1:48
  combos
• 1:49
  before
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  we
• 1:49
  went
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  out
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  there.
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  So
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  I
• 1:50
  was
• 1:50
  probably
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  twelve
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  or
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  13
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  at
• 1:53
  the
• 1:53
  time,
• 1:53
  but
• 1:54
  that
• 1:54
  was
• 1:54
  like
• 1:54
  the
• 1:54
  first,
• 1:55
  biggest.
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  We're
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  going
• 1:56
  fishing
• 1:56
  and
• 1:57
  we're
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  gonna
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  go
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  catch
• 1:57
  bass.
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  And
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  it
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  was
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  really
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  fun
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  and
• 2:01
  we
• 2:01
  snapped
• 2:01
  our
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  rods
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  and
• 2:02
  everything,
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  but
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  that
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  was
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  the,
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  that
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  was
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  when
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  I
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  got
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  hooked.
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  Very,
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  very
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  neat.
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  So
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  when
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  did
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  you
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  come
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  to
• 2:07
  the
• 2:07
  dark
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  side
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  of
• 2:07
  fly
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  fishing?
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  I
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  didn't
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  start
• 2:11
  fly
• 2:11
  fishing
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  until
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  I
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  was
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  my
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  senior
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  year
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  of
• 2:16
  college.
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  So
• 2:18
  I
• 2:18
  spent
• 2:18
  a
• 2:18
  long
• 2:19
  time
• 2:20
  just
• 2:21
  conventional
• 2:22
  bass
• 2:22
  fishing.
• 2:23
  Some
• 2:23
  saltwater
• 2:24
  stuff,
• 2:24
  some
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  I
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  like
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  to
• 2:27
  do
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  shark
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  lines
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  at
• 2:30
  the
• 2:30
  beach,
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  paddle,
• 2:31
  paddle
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  out
• 2:31
  lines
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  really
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  far
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  and
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  stake
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  them
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  out.
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  We
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  did
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  that
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  a
• 2:34
  little
• 2:34
  bit,
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  but
• 2:35
  mostly
• 2:35
  just
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  conventional
• 2:36
  bass
• 2:36
  fishing
• 2:37
  until,
• 2:38
  until
• 2:39
  my
• 2:39
  senior
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  year
• 2:40
  of
• 2:40
  college
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  got
• 2:41
  it.
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  And
• 2:42
  so
• 2:42
  who
• 2:42
  are
• 2:42
  some
• 2:43
  of
• 2:43
  the
• 2:43
  folks
• 2:43
  that
• 2:43
  have
• 2:43
  mentored
• 2:44
  you
• 2:44
  on
• 2:44
  your
• 2:44
  fly
• 2:44
  fishing
• 2:45
  journey?
• 2:47
  Honestly,
• 2:48
  a
• 2:48
  lot
• 2:49
  of
• 2:49
  it
• 2:50
  has
• 2:50
  been
• 2:51
  just
• 2:51
  me
• 2:52
  and
• 2:52
  a
• 2:52
  couple
• 2:53
  of
• 2:53
  my
• 2:53
  friends
• 2:53
  who
• 2:54
  got
• 2:55
  into
• 2:55
  fly
• 2:55
  fishing
• 2:56
  before
• 2:56
  or
• 2:56
  around
• 2:56
  the
• 2:57
  same
• 2:57
  time
• 2:57
  as
• 2:57
  me,
• 2:58
  and
• 2:58
  we
• 2:58
  just
• 2:58
  kind
• 2:59
  of
• 2:59
  figured
• 2:59
  it
• 2:59
  out
• 2:59
  on
• 2:59
  our
• 3:00
  own
• 3:00
  for
• 3:00
  the
• 3:00
  most
• 3:00
  part.
• 3:00
  Of
• 3:01
  course,
• 3:01
  we
• 3:02
  looked
• 3:02
  stuff
• 3:02
  up
• 3:03
  online,
• 3:03
  and
• 3:06
  there
• 3:06
  was
• 3:06
  one
• 3:07
  local
• 3:07
  fly
• 3:07
  shop
• 3:08
  with
• 3:11
  a
• 3:11
  few
• 3:11
  people
• 3:12
  who
• 3:12
  helped
• 3:12
  us
• 3:13
  out,
• 3:13
  but
• 3:13
  most
• 3:14
  of
• 3:14
  it
• 3:14
  was
• 3:15
  just
• 3:15
  me
• 3:15
  and
• 3:15
  my
• 3:15
  buddies
• 3:16
  getting
• 3:16
  on
• 3:16
  the
• 3:16
  water.
• 3:17
  Yeah,
• 3:18
  it's
• 3:18
  interesting.
• 3:18
  You
• 3:19
  know,
• 3:19
  I
• 3:19
  used
• 3:19
  to
• 3:19
  live
• 3:19
  in
• 3:19
  Dallas,
• 3:20
  and
• 3:20
  I
• 3:20
  don't
• 3:20
  really
• 3:20
  think
• 3:21
  of
• 3:21
  Texas
• 3:21
  particularly,
• 3:22
  like,
• 3:22
  back
• 3:22
  when
• 3:23
  I
• 3:23
  was
• 3:23
  there,
• 3:23
  like,
• 3:23
  really
• 3:23
  having
• 3:24
  very
• 3:24
  many
• 3:24
  fly
• 3:24
  shops
• 3:25
  at
• 3:25
  all.
• 3:27
  Yeah.
• 3:27
  You
• 3:28
  know,
• 3:28
  there's
• 3:28
  a.
• 3:28
  There's
• 3:28
  a
• 3:29
  few
• 3:29
  really
• 3:29
  good
• 3:29
  ones.
• 3:30
  Living
• 3:31
  waters
• 3:31
  is
• 3:31
  my
• 3:31
  favorite,
• 3:32
  but
• 3:32
  it's
• 3:32
  over
• 3:32
  in
• 3:32
  Austin.
• 3:34
  I'm
• 3:35
  in.
• 3:35
  I'm
• 3:35
  in
• 3:35
  Kerrville,
• 3:36
  so
• 3:37
  I'm
• 3:37
  an
• 3:37
  hour
• 3:38
  away
• 3:38
  from
• 3:38
  San
• 3:38
  Antonio
• 3:39
  and
• 3:40
  a
• 3:40
  couple
• 3:40
  hours
• 3:40
  away
• 3:40
  from
• 3:41
  Austin.
• 3:41
  And
• 3:41
  there's
• 3:41
  an
• 3:42
  orgas
• 3:42
  store
• 3:42
  in
• 3:42
  San
• 3:43
  Antonio.
• 3:44
  There's
• 3:44
  a
• 3:44
  tiny
• 3:44
  little
• 3:45
  fly
• 3:45
  shop
• 3:45
  that
• 3:46
  an
• 3:47
  older
• 3:47
  gentleman
• 3:47
  runs
• 3:48
  in
• 3:48
  Fredericksburg,
• 3:50
  about
• 3:50
  20
• 3:51
  minutes
• 3:51
  away
• 3:51
  from
• 3:51
  me.
• 3:52
  And
• 3:53
  we've
• 3:53
  stopped
• 3:53
  in
• 3:53
  there
• 3:54
  a
• 3:54
  couple
• 3:54
  times,
• 3:55
  but
• 3:56
  for
• 3:56
  the
• 3:56
  most
• 3:56
  part,
• 3:57
  there's
• 3:57
  just.
• 3:58
  There's
• 3:58
  not
• 3:58
  much
• 3:59
  in
• 3:59
  this
• 3:59
  area
• 4:02
  in
• 4:02
  terms
• 4:02
  of
• 4:02
  the
• 4:02
  fly
• 4:03
  fishing
• 4:03
  world,
• 4:03
  so
• 4:04
  you
• 4:04
  kind
• 4:04
  of
• 4:04
  have
• 4:04
  to
• 4:04
  travel
• 4:05
  a
• 4:05
  little
• 4:05
  bit
• 4:05
  before
• 4:05
  you
• 4:05
  get
• 4:06
  over
• 4:06
  to
• 4:06
  Austin
• 4:07
  and
• 4:07
  Houston,
• 4:08
  Dallas,
• 4:08
  where
• 4:09
  you
• 4:09
  get
• 4:09
  more
• 4:10
  people
• 4:10
  that
• 4:10
  are
• 4:10
  into
• 4:10
  it.
• 4:11
  Yeah.
• 4:11
  Got
• 4:12
  it.
• 4:12
  Yeah,
• 4:12
  it's
• 4:12
  interesting.
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  spent
• 4:13
  some
• 4:13
  time
• 4:13
  in
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  hill
• 4:14
  country
• 4:14
  when
• 4:14
  I
• 4:14
  lived
• 4:14
  in
• 4:15
  Dallas,
• 4:15
  down
• 4:15
  around
• 4:15
  kind
• 4:16
  of
• 4:16
  green
• 4:16
  and
• 4:16
  San
• 4:17
  Marcos.
• 4:18
  Yeah,
• 4:19
  yeah.
• 4:19
  On
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  Guadalupe
• 4:21
  down
• 4:21
  there.
• 4:21
  Yeah.
• 4:21
  I
• 4:21
  didn't
• 4:22
  fish,
• 4:22
  but
• 4:22
  went
• 4:23
  and,
• 4:23
  you
• 4:23
  know,
• 4:23
  drank
• 4:24
  lone
• 4:24
  star
• 4:24
  beer
• 4:25
  and
• 4:25
  went
• 4:25
  to
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  dance
• 4:25
  halls
• 4:26
  and
• 4:26
  all
• 4:26
  that
• 4:26
  kind
• 4:26
  of
• 4:26
  good
• 4:26
  stuff.
• 4:28
  Gotcha.
• 4:28
  Yeah,
• 4:29
  yeah.
• 4:29
  We.
• 4:30
  We
• 4:30
  started
• 4:31
  fishing
• 4:31
  on.
• 4:32
  On
• 4:32
  the
• 4:32
  Guadalupe
• 4:33
  down
• 4:33
  there
• 4:33
  where
• 4:33
  they
• 4:33
  stocked
• 4:34
  the
• 4:34
  trout,
• 4:35
  but
• 4:35
  we
• 4:35
  would
• 4:35
  go
• 4:36
  try
• 4:36
  to
• 4:36
  catch
• 4:36
  the
• 4:36
  striped
• 4:37
  bass
• 4:37
  that
• 4:37
  are
• 4:37
  eating
• 4:37
  the
• 4:38
  trout.
• 4:38
  So,
• 4:39
  uh,
• 4:39
  some
• 4:39
  people
• 4:39
  don't
• 4:40
  like
• 4:40
  them,
• 4:40
  but
• 4:41
  that's.
• 4:41
  That's
• 4:41
  the
• 4:41
  only
• 4:42
  way
• 4:42
  we
• 4:42
  fish
• 4:42
  down
• 4:43
  there.
• 4:43
  Yeah,
• 4:43
  that's.
• 4:44
  That's
• 4:44
  funny
• 4:44
  that,
• 4:45
  uh,
• 4:45
  we
• 4:45
  have
• 4:45
  that
• 4:45
  problem
• 4:45
  on
• 4:46
  the
• 4:46
  Wetaga
• 4:46
  in
• 4:47
  the
• 4:47
  south
• 4:47
  Holston,
• 4:47
  too.
• 4:49
  Of
• 4:50
  the
• 4:50
  stripe
• 4:50
  bass,
• 4:51
  eating
• 4:51
  the
• 4:51
  trout.
• 4:52
  Yep.
• 4:52
  Yeah.
• 4:53
  Yeah.
• 4:53
  It's
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  good
• 4:53
  problem
• 4:54
  to
• 4:54
  have,
• 4:54
  I
• 4:54
  think.
• 4:56
  So,
• 4:56
  uh,
• 4:56
  so
• 4:57
  when.
• 4:57
  So
• 4:57
  when
• 4:57
  did
• 4:57
  you
• 4:57
  get
• 4:57
  interested
• 4:58
  in
• 4:58
  fly
• 4:58
  tying?
• 5:01
  So
• 5:02
  I've
• 5:02
  always
• 5:02
  been
• 5:03
  kind
• 5:03
  of.
• 5:03
  I
• 5:03
  really
• 5:04
  like
• 5:04
  to
• 5:04
  do
• 5:05
  arts
• 5:05
  and
• 5:06
  woodworking,
• 5:07
  stuff
• 5:07
  like
• 5:07
  that.
• 5:08
  You
• 5:08
  know,
• 5:08
  growing
• 5:08
  up,
• 5:09
  I
• 5:09
  used
• 5:09
  to.
• 5:10
  In
• 5:10
  fact,
• 5:11
  for
• 5:11
  one
• 5:11
  of
• 5:11
  my
• 5:11
  birthdays,
• 5:12
  when
• 5:12
  I
• 5:12
  was,
• 5:12
  like,
• 5:13
  eight
• 5:13
  or
• 5:13
  nine,
• 5:14
  we
• 5:14
  invited,
• 5:15
  like,
• 5:16
  30
• 5:16
  or
• 5:16
  40
• 5:17
  kids
• 5:17
  over
• 5:17
  to
• 5:17
  my
• 5:17
  house,
• 5:18
  and
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  had
• 5:18
  built,
• 5:19
  like,
• 5:19
  medieval
• 5:20
  weapons
• 5:20
  out
• 5:20
  of
• 5:20
  popsicle
• 5:21
  sticks
• 5:21
  and
• 5:21
  duct
• 5:22
  tape
• 5:22
  for
• 5:22
  everybody.
• 5:23
  And
• 5:23
  we
• 5:23
  just
• 5:24
  had
• 5:24
  a
• 5:24
  melee
• 5:24
  battle
• 5:25
  of,
• 5:25
  like,
• 5:25
  30.
• 5:26
  You
• 5:27
  know,
• 5:27
  1011
• 5:27
  year
• 5:28
  olds
• 5:28
  just
• 5:28
  hacking
• 5:29
  at
• 5:29
  each
• 5:29
  other
• 5:29
  with
• 5:29
  all
• 5:29
  this
• 5:30
  stuff.
• 5:30
  So
• 5:30
  I've
• 5:30
  always
• 5:31
  liked
• 5:31
  building
• 5:31
  things
• 5:32
  and
• 5:32
  making
• 5:32
  stuff,
• 5:32
  and
• 5:34
  so
• 5:35
  as
• 5:35
  soon
• 5:35
  as
• 5:35
  I
• 5:36
  got
• 5:36
  introduced
• 5:36
  to
• 5:37
  fly
• 5:37
  fishing,
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  knew
• 5:38
  I
• 5:38
  wanted
• 5:38
  to
• 5:38
  start
• 5:38
  tying
• 5:39
  flies,
• 5:39
  so
• 5:39
  I
• 5:40
  probably
• 5:40
  had
• 5:40
  a
• 5:40
  vice
• 5:41
  then
• 5:41
  three
• 5:42
  or
• 5:42
  four
• 5:42
  months
• 5:43
  after
• 5:43
  I
• 5:43
  started
• 5:43
  fly
• 5:43
  fishing.
• 5:44
  Yeah.
• 5:44
  Do
• 5:45
  you
• 5:45
  remember
• 5:45
  what
• 5:46
  was
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  first
• 5:46
  vice
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  had
• 5:47
  and
• 5:47
  what
• 5:47
  fly
• 5:47
  you
• 5:47
  tied
• 5:47
  on
• 5:47
  it?
• 5:50
  The
• 5:50
  first
• 5:50
  vice
• 5:51
  I
• 5:51
  had
• 5:51
  was
• 5:51
  something
• 5:52
  really
• 5:52
  cheap,
• 5:53
  probably
• 5:53
  off
• 5:53
  of
• 5:53
  ebay.
• 5:54
  The
• 5:54
  first
• 5:55
  real
• 5:55
  vice
• 5:55
  I
• 5:55
  had
• 5:55
  was
• 5:56
  a
• 5:56
  stanfo
• 5:56
  Caiman.
• 5:58
  It
• 5:58
  was.
• 5:59
  It's
• 5:59
  kind
• 5:59
  of
• 5:59
  like
• 6:00
  a
• 6:00
  regal.
• 6:01
  Where
• 6:01
  do
• 6:01
  you
• 6:01
  just.
• 6:01
  It
• 6:02
  just
• 6:02
  has
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  clamp,
• 6:03
  but
• 6:04
  it
• 6:04
  didn't.
• 6:05
  It
• 6:06
  didn't
• 6:06
  hold
• 6:06
  shanks
• 6:07
  very
• 6:07
  well,
• 6:07
  so
• 6:07
  I
• 6:07
  upgraded
• 6:08
  pretty
• 6:08
  quickly.
• 6:09
  But
• 6:09
  I
• 6:09
  had
• 6:09
  that
• 6:09
  one
• 6:10
  for
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  good
• 6:10
  little
• 6:10
  while,
• 6:11
  and
• 6:13
  trying
• 6:14
  to
• 6:14
  think
• 6:14
  what
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  first.
• 6:15
  What
• 6:15
  the
• 6:16
  first
• 6:16
  fly
• 6:16
  I
• 6:16
  tied.
• 6:17
  It
• 6:17
  wasn't
• 6:17
  a
• 6:17
  woolly
• 6:17
  bugger.
• 6:18
  I
• 6:19
  know
• 6:19
  a
• 6:19
  game
• 6:20
  changer
• 6:20
  is
• 6:20
  one
• 6:20
  of
• 6:20
  the
• 6:20
  first
• 6:21
  things
• 6:21
  I
• 6:21
  tied.
• 6:22
  Uh,
• 6:23
  it
• 6:24
  was.
• 6:24
  It
• 6:24
  was
• 6:24
  real
• 6:24
  crappy,
• 6:25
  but
• 6:25
  I
• 6:25
  was
• 6:25
  real
• 6:26
  excited
• 6:26
  about
• 6:26
  it.
• 6:27
  Yeah.
• 6:28
  And
• 6:28
  what
• 6:28
  do
• 6:28
  you
• 6:28
  tie
• 6:28
  on
• 6:28
  today?
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  I
• 6:31
  have
• 6:31
  a
• 6:32
  rinsetti
• 6:32
  master
• 6:33
  now.
• 6:33
  Got
• 6:34
  it.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  bet
• 6:34
  you
• 6:34
  you
• 6:34
  have
• 6:34
  shank
• 6:35
  jaws
• 6:35
  on
• 6:35
  it.
• 6:37
  I
• 6:37
  actually
• 6:38
  don't.
• 6:38
  I
• 6:38
  just
• 6:38
  have
• 6:38
  the
• 6:39
  regular
• 6:39
  jaws,
• 6:39
  and,
• 6:40
  uh,
• 6:40
  they
• 6:40
  work
• 6:41
  great
• 6:41
  for
• 6:41
  me.
• 6:41
  I'm
• 6:41
  sure
• 6:41
  the
• 6:42
  shank
• 6:42
  jaws
• 6:42
  are
• 6:42
  awesome,
• 6:43
  but,
• 6:44
  uh,
• 6:44
  no,
• 6:44
  I
• 6:45
  don't
• 6:45
  have
• 6:45
  them.
• 6:45
  Yeah.
• 6:46
  And
• 6:46
  so,
• 6:46
  you
• 6:46
  know,
• 6:47
  who
• 6:47
  are
• 6:47
  some
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  the
• 6:47
  folks
• 6:48
  that
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  kind
• 6:48
  of
• 6:48
  pay
• 6:48
  attention
• 6:49
  to
• 6:49
  and
• 6:49
  have
• 6:49
  kind
• 6:49
  of
• 6:50
  influenced
• 6:50
  you
• 6:50
  as
• 6:50
  you
• 6:51
  developed
• 6:51
  as
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  tire?
• 6:54
  Well,
• 6:54
  obviously,
• 6:55
  Blaine's
• 6:56
  probably
• 6:56
  the
• 6:57
  one
• 6:58
  biggest
• 6:58
  influence,
• 6:59
  because
• 7:00
  when
• 7:00
  I
• 7:00
  first
• 7:00
  started
• 7:01
  fly
• 7:01
  fishing,
• 7:03
  one
• 7:03
  of
• 7:03
  my
• 7:05
  friends
• 7:05
  around
• 7:05
  here
• 7:06
  that
• 7:06
  I
• 7:06
  fly
• 7:07
  fished
• 7:07
  with
• 7:07
  is
• 7:08
  a
• 7:08
  doctor.
• 7:09
  He's
• 7:09
  a
• 7:09
  bit
• 7:09
  older
• 7:09
  than
• 7:09
  me,
• 7:10
  and
• 7:11
  he
• 7:11
  sent
• 7:11
  me
• 7:12
  a
• 7:12
  video
• 7:12
  and
• 7:12
  was
• 7:12
  like,
• 7:13
  chase,
• 7:13
  if
• 7:13
  you
• 7:14
  get
• 7:14
  a
• 7:14
  chance,
• 7:14
  look
• 7:14
  at
• 7:15
  this.
• 7:15
  I
• 7:15
  think
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  would
• 7:16
  really
• 7:16
  like
• 7:16
  this
• 7:17
  fly.
• 7:17
  And
• 7:17
  it
• 7:18
  was
• 7:19
  a
• 7:19
  video
• 7:19
  of
• 7:19
  one
• 7:20
  of
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  older
• 7:21
  game
• 7:21
  changers,
• 7:22
  I
• 7:22
  think,
• 7:22
  that
• 7:22
  Blaine
• 7:23
  had
• 7:23
  put
• 7:23
  out.
• 7:23
  But
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  saw
• 7:25
  that,
• 7:25
  and
• 7:25
  immediately
• 7:26
  I
• 7:26
  was
• 7:27
  ordering
• 7:27
  all
• 7:27
  the
• 7:27
  materials
• 7:28
  I
• 7:28
  needed
• 7:28
  to
• 7:28
  try
• 7:29
  to
• 7:29
  tie
• 7:29
  that
• 7:29
  up,
• 7:29
  and
• 7:30
  I
• 7:30
  tied
• 7:30
  up
• 7:30
  the
• 7:31
  first
• 7:31
  one
• 7:31
  and
• 7:31
  gave
• 7:31
  it
• 7:32
  to
• 7:33
  my
• 7:33
  friend
• 7:33
  for
• 7:33
  him
• 7:33
  to
• 7:34
  end
• 7:34
  the
• 7:34
  fish
• 7:34
  with.
• 7:35
  And
• 7:36
  so
• 7:37
  that's
• 7:37
  probably
• 7:37
  the
• 7:37
  first
• 7:38
  thing
• 7:38
  that
• 7:38
  I
• 7:38
  looked
• 7:39
  it
• 7:39
  up
• 7:39
  and
• 7:39
  tied
• 7:39
  it.
• 7:40
  I
• 7:41
  used
• 7:41
  to
• 7:41
  just
• 7:42
  go
• 7:42
  on
• 7:42
  YouTube,
• 7:43
  and
• 7:43
  it
• 7:44
  was
• 7:44
  more.
• 7:44
  If
• 7:44
  I
• 7:45
  saw
• 7:45
  a
• 7:45
  pattern
• 7:46
  that
• 7:46
  I
• 7:46
  liked
• 7:46
  that
• 7:46
  someone
• 7:47
  was
• 7:47
  fishing
• 7:47
  with,
• 7:47
  then
• 7:48
  I
• 7:48
  would
• 7:48
  look
• 7:48
  it
• 7:48
  up
• 7:49
  rather
• 7:49
  than,
• 7:50
  you
• 7:50
  know,
• 7:50
  following
• 7:51
  specific
• 7:51
  people,
• 7:51
  per
• 7:52
  se.
• 7:53
  But
• 7:55
  I
• 7:55
  pretty
• 7:55
  quickly,
• 7:56
  I
• 7:56
  just
• 7:56
  kind
• 7:56
  of
• 7:57
  started
• 7:57
  doing
• 7:57
  my.
• 7:58
  My
• 7:58
  own
• 7:58
  thing
• 7:59
  for
• 7:59
  a
• 7:59
  lot
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  them,
• 8:00
  but
• 8:00
  definitely,
• 8:01
  definitely
• 8:01
  Blaine
• 8:03
  Clouser,
• 8:04
  minnows,
• 8:04
  I
• 8:04
  used
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  tie
• 8:05
  a
• 8:05
  lot
• 8:05
  of
• 8:05
  clouds
• 8:05
  of
• 8:05
  minos
• 8:06
  at
• 8:06
  first,
• 8:06
  so
• 8:07
  I
• 8:07
  really
• 8:08
  liked
• 8:08
  Bob's
• 8:09
  design
• 8:09
  on
• 8:09
  that.
• 8:10
  And,
• 8:11
  you
• 8:12
  know,
• 8:12
  there's
• 8:12
  a,
• 8:12
  there's
• 8:12
  a
• 8:12
  few
• 8:13
  guys
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  follow
• 8:13
  now.
• 8:14
  You
• 8:14
  can
• 8:14
  kind
• 8:14
  of,
• 8:15
  you
• 8:15
  can
• 8:15
  kind
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  sift
• 8:16
  through
• 8:16
  all
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  chaff
• 8:17
  on
• 8:17
  Instagram
• 8:17
  and,
• 8:18
  and
• 8:19
  find
• 8:19
  a
• 8:19
  few
• 8:19
  guys
• 8:19
  who
• 8:20
  are
• 8:20
  really
• 8:20
  doing
• 8:20
  some
• 8:20
  cool
• 8:21
  stuff.
• 8:22
  So
• 8:24
  there's
• 8:24
  a
• 8:24
  few
• 8:24
  guys
• 8:25
  that
• 8:25
  I
• 8:25
  like
• 8:25
  to
• 8:25
  watch.
• 8:26
  Cause
• 8:26
  they
• 8:26
  come
• 8:26
  out
• 8:26
  with
• 8:27
  unique
• 8:27
  stuff.
• 8:27
  But
• 8:27
  I
• 8:27
  also,
• 8:28
  I
• 8:29
  really
• 8:29
  try
• 8:29
  not
• 8:29
  to
• 8:31
  spend
• 8:32
  too
• 8:32
  much
• 8:32
  time
• 8:33
  looking
• 8:33
  at
• 8:33
  other
• 8:33
  people's
• 8:34
  stuff
• 8:34
  so
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  I
• 8:35
  don't
• 8:35
  just
• 8:35
  subconsciously
• 8:37
  start
• 8:37
  trying
• 8:38
  to
• 8:38
  imitate
• 8:38
  other
• 8:38
  people
• 8:39
  and
• 8:39
  doing
• 8:39
  stuff.
• 8:40
  Especially
• 8:40
  now
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  I'm
• 8:41
  licensing
• 8:41
  patterns
• 8:42
  and
• 8:42
  coming
• 8:43
  up
• 8:43
  with
• 8:43
  stuff
• 8:43
  on
• 8:43
  my
• 8:43
  own.
• 8:44
  I
• 8:44
  like
• 8:45
  to,
• 8:45
  as
• 8:45
  much
• 8:45
  as
• 8:45
  I
• 8:46
  can,
• 8:46
  I
• 8:46
  like
• 8:46
  to
• 8:47
  try
• 8:47
  to
• 8:48
  be
• 8:48
  thinking
• 8:48
  and
• 8:49
  ruminating
• 8:49
  on
• 8:50
  things
• 8:50
  in
• 8:50
  my
• 8:50
  own
• 8:50
  mind
• 8:51
  and
• 8:51
  not
• 8:51
  taking
• 8:51
  in
• 8:52
  other
• 8:52
  people's
• 8:52
  stuff
• 8:53
  and
• 8:53
  then
• 8:53
  like,
• 8:53
  you
• 8:54
  know,
• 8:54
  condensing
• 8:55
  that
• 8:55
  all
• 8:55
  into
• 8:56
  something
• 8:56
  different.
• 8:57
  Yeah.
• 8:57
  You're
• 8:58
  not.
• 8:58
  Not
• 8:58
  taking
• 8:59
  a
• 8:59
  fly
• 8:59
  and
• 8:59
  putting
• 8:59
  a
• 8:59
  different
• 9:00
  color
• 9:00
  hotspot
• 9:00
  on
• 9:01
  it
• 9:01
  and
• 9:01
  calling
• 9:01
  it
• 9:01
  something
• 9:01
  different.
• 9:03
  Yeah.
• 9:04
  As
• 9:04
  much
• 9:04
  as
• 9:04
  you
• 9:04
  can.
• 9:05
  I
• 9:05
  try.
• 9:05
  I
• 9:05
  try
• 9:06
  not
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  do
• 9:06
  that.
• 9:06
  I
• 9:07
  think,
• 9:07
  you
• 9:07
  know,
• 9:07
  to
• 9:07
  a
• 9:08
  certain
• 9:08
  point,
• 9:08
  everything's,
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  know,
• 9:09
  there's
• 9:10
  a
• 9:10
  lot
• 9:10
  of
• 9:10
  things
• 9:10
  that
• 9:10
  you
• 9:11
  might,
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  might
• 9:11
  come
• 9:12
  up
• 9:12
  with
• 9:12
  something
• 9:12
  and
• 9:13
  it's
• 9:13
  already
• 9:13
  been
• 9:13
  done
• 9:13
  and
• 9:14
  you
• 9:14
  might
• 9:14
  not
• 9:14
  know
• 9:14
  it
• 9:15
  or,
• 9:16
  you
• 9:16
  know,
• 9:16
  you
• 9:16
  think
• 9:17
  making
• 9:17
  one
• 9:17
  little
• 9:17
  change
• 9:19
  warrant
• 9:19
  something
• 9:19
  like
• 9:20
  that?
• 9:21
  No,
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  think
• 9:21
  there's
• 9:22
  a
• 9:22
  way.
• 9:23
  A
• 9:23
  way
• 9:23
  to,
• 9:25
  you
• 9:25
  know,
• 9:25
  find
• 9:25
  a
• 9:25
  good
• 9:26
  balance
• 9:26
  of
• 9:26
  when
• 9:27
  it,
• 9:27
  when
• 9:27
  a
• 9:27
  fly
• 9:28
  gets
• 9:29
  a
• 9:29
  new
• 9:29
  name
• 9:29
  versus,
• 9:30
  you
• 9:31
  know,
• 9:32
  such,
• 9:32
  with
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  hotspot,
• 9:33
  like
• 9:33
  you
• 9:34
  say.
• 9:34
  Yeah.
• 9:35
  And
• 9:35
  so,
• 9:35
  you
• 9:35
  know,
• 9:35
  when
• 9:36
  did
• 9:36
  you
• 9:36
  decide
• 9:36
  to
• 9:36
  jump
• 9:37
  in
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  deep
• 9:37
  end
• 9:37
  of
• 9:37
  the
• 9:37
  swimming
• 9:38
  pool
• 9:38
  and
• 9:38
  start
• 9:38
  production
• 9:39
  fly
• 9:39
  time?
• 9:42
  You
• 9:42
  know,
• 9:42
  it
• 9:42
  was
• 9:43
  actually
• 9:43
  fairly
• 9:44
  quickly
• 9:45
  and
• 9:45
  it
• 9:46
  wasn't
• 9:46
  really
• 9:46
  on
• 9:47
  purpose.
• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  was
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  senior
• 9:49
  in
• 9:50
  college.
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  still
• 9:51
  wasn't
• 9:51
  sure
• 9:52
  what
• 9:53
  I
• 9:53
  was
• 9:53
  going
• 9:53
  to
• 9:53
  do
• 9:53
  coming
• 9:53
  out
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  college.
• 9:54
  So
• 9:59
  I
• 9:59
  had
• 10:00
  stuff
• 10:00
  on
• 10:00
  my
• 10:00
  personal
• 10:01
  Instagram
• 10:02
  and
• 10:03
  realized
• 10:03
  all
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  was
• 10:04
  doing
• 10:04
  was
• 10:04
  posting
• 10:05
  phishing
• 10:05
  pictures
• 10:05
  and
• 10:05
  all
• 10:06
  these
• 10:06
  people
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  didn't
• 10:06
  know
• 10:07
  would
• 10:08
  be
• 10:08
  getting
• 10:08
  on
• 10:08
  my
• 10:08
  personal
• 10:09
  Instagram
• 10:09
  and
• 10:09
  messaging
• 10:10
  me.
• 10:10
  So
• 10:10
  I
• 10:11
  started
• 10:11
  a
• 10:12
  separate
• 10:12
  Instagram
• 10:13
  page
• 10:13
  for
• 10:14
  I,
• 10:14
  and
• 10:15
  pretty
• 10:15
  quickly
• 10:15
  just
• 10:15
  had
• 10:16
  a
• 10:16
  bunch
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  people
• 10:16
  wanting
• 10:17
  to
• 10:17
  order
• 10:17
  them.
• 10:17
  So
• 10:18
  I
• 10:19
  decided
• 10:19
  I'd
• 10:20
  try
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  make
• 10:20
  it
• 10:20
  official
• 10:21
  and
• 10:21
  get,
• 10:22
  you
• 10:22
  know,
• 10:22
  start
• 10:22
  paying
• 10:23
  excise
• 10:23
  taxes.
• 10:24
  And
• 10:27
  orbit
• 10:27
  store
• 10:28
  nearby
• 10:29
  had
• 10:29
  seen
• 10:30
  my
• 10:30
  stuff
• 10:30
  and
• 10:31
  started
• 10:31
  wanting
• 10:31
  to
• 10:32
  make
• 10:32
  wholesale
• 10:32
  orders.
• 10:33
  So
• 10:33
  that's
• 10:33
  kind
• 10:33
  of
• 10:33
  when
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  had
• 10:34
  to
• 10:35
  really
• 10:36
  kind
• 10:36
  of
• 10:36
  make
• 10:36
  it
• 10:37
  official.
• 10:38
  Yeah.
• 10:38
  It's
• 10:38
  interesting
• 10:39
  you
• 10:39
  say
• 10:39
  that
• 10:39
  about
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  excise
• 10:40
  taxes.
• 10:40
  Because
• 10:40
  I
• 10:40
  think
• 10:41
  a
• 10:41
  lot
• 10:41
  of
• 10:41
  people
• 10:42
  don't
• 10:42
  realize
• 10:43
  that.
• 10:44
  Don't
• 10:44
  realize
• 10:45
  that's
• 10:45
  a
• 10:45
  thing.
• 10:45
  And
• 10:45
  then
• 10:46
  also,
• 10:46
  what
• 10:46
  a
• 10:46
  pain
• 10:46
  in
• 10:46
  the
• 10:47
  behind
• 10:47
  it
• 10:47
  can
• 10:47
  be,
• 10:47
  right?
• 10:49
  Oh,
• 10:49
  yeah.
• 10:49
  It's
• 10:49
  a
• 10:49
  hassle.
• 10:51
  It's
• 10:51
  a
• 10:51
  hassle
• 10:52
  to
• 10:52
  set
• 10:52
  up.
• 10:53
  It's
• 10:53
  annoying
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  have
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  pay
• 10:55
  a
• 10:55
  straight
• 10:55
  ten
• 10:56
  off
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  top
• 10:56
  kind
• 10:57
  of
• 10:59
  tax
• 11:00
  on
• 11:01
  everything.
• 11:01
  Flies.
• 11:01
  Flies
• 11:02
  are
• 11:02
  already
• 11:02
  low
• 11:03
  margin
• 11:03
  as
• 11:03
  it
• 11:03
  is,
• 11:04
  especially
• 11:04
  when
• 11:04
  you
• 11:05
  calculate
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  time
• 11:06
  involved.
• 11:06
  And
• 11:06
  so,
• 11:08
  and
• 11:08
  then
• 11:09
  you
• 11:09
  try
• 11:09
  to
• 11:09
  build
• 11:09
  that
• 11:10
  into
• 11:10
  your
• 11:10
  pricing,
• 11:10
  and
• 11:11
  people
• 11:12
  don't
• 11:12
  like
• 11:12
  that.
• 11:13
  It
• 11:14
  adds
• 11:14
  more
• 11:14
  expenses
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  it.
• 11:15
  And
• 11:15
  there's
• 11:15
  no
• 11:16
  good
• 11:16
  way
• 11:16
  to
• 11:16
  say,
• 11:16
  hey,
• 11:17
  this
• 11:17
  fly
• 11:17
  is
• 11:18
  such
• 11:18
  and
• 11:18
  such,
• 11:18
  but
• 11:18
  I
• 11:19
  got
• 11:19
  to
• 11:19
  add
• 11:19
  an
• 11:19
  extra
• 11:19
  10%
• 11:20
  because
• 11:20
  of
• 11:21
  this
• 11:21
  tax.
• 11:21
  You
• 11:21
  can't
• 11:21
  really
• 11:22
  do
• 11:22
  that.
• 11:22
  So
• 11:23
  you
• 11:23
  kind
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  just
• 11:24
  end
• 11:24
  up
• 11:24
  eating
• 11:24
  that
• 11:24
  cost.
• 11:25
  Yeah.
• 11:26
  And
• 11:26
  so,
• 11:27
  you
• 11:27
  know,
• 11:27
  what
• 11:27
  were
• 11:27
  some
• 11:27
  of
• 11:28
  the
• 11:28
  big
• 11:28
  surprises
• 11:29
  or
• 11:29
  adjustments
• 11:29
  you
• 11:29
  had
• 11:30
  to
• 11:30
  make
• 11:30
  when
• 11:30
  you
• 11:30
  kind
• 11:30
  of
• 11:30
  went
• 11:31
  from
• 11:31
  tying
• 11:31
  for
• 11:31
  yourself
• 11:32
  to
• 11:32
  kind
• 11:32
  of
• 11:32
  scaling
• 11:33
  up
• 11:33
  your.
• 11:33
  Your
• 11:33
  production
• 11:34
  tying
• 11:34
  business?
• 11:36
  Uh,
• 11:37
  you
• 11:37
  know,
• 11:37
  it's.
• 11:38
  It's
• 11:38
  probably
• 11:39
  balance
• 11:40
  of
• 11:42
  what.
• 11:42
  What
• 11:42
  can
• 11:43
  you
• 11:43
  spend
• 11:43
  your
• 11:43
  time
• 11:43
  on
• 11:44
  that's
• 11:44
  worth
• 11:44
  it?
• 11:45
  And,
• 11:46
  uh,
• 11:46
  how
• 11:46
  do
• 11:47
  you
• 11:47
  separate
• 11:48
  yourself
• 11:48
  from
• 11:49
  everybody
• 11:49
  else
• 11:50
  who's,
• 11:52
  you
• 11:52
  know,
• 11:52
  it's
• 11:52
  a.
• 11:53
  There's
• 11:53
  a
• 11:53
  very
• 11:53
  low
• 11:54
  barrier
• 11:54
  to
• 11:54
  entry,
• 11:55
  or
• 11:55
  all
• 11:55
  you
• 11:56
  need
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  do
• 11:56
  is
• 11:56
  get
• 11:56
  some
• 11:57
  hooks
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  bison
• 11:58
  materials,
• 11:58
  and
• 11:58
  it's
• 11:59
  all
• 11:59
  fairly
• 11:59
  cheap,
• 12:00
  and
• 12:00
  you
• 12:00
  can
• 12:00
  start
• 12:00
  selling
• 12:01
  flies.
• 12:02
  Lots
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  people
• 12:02
  that
• 12:03
  don't
• 12:04
  have
• 12:04
  a
• 12:05
  business
• 12:05
  set
• 12:05
  up
• 12:06
  or
• 12:06
  any
• 12:06
  sort
• 12:06
  of
• 12:07
  llc,
• 12:07
  nothing
• 12:08
  like
• 12:08
  that,
• 12:08
  can
• 12:09
  just
• 12:09
  start
• 12:10
  selling
• 12:10
  flies
• 12:11
  for
• 12:11
  cheaper
• 12:11
  than
• 12:12
  you
• 12:12
  can.
• 12:12
  And
• 12:13
  it's
• 12:13
  not
• 12:13
  sustainable,
• 12:14
  but
• 12:14
  they're
• 12:14
  just
• 12:14
  doing
• 12:14
  it
• 12:14
  for
• 12:15
  fun,
• 12:16
  and
• 12:17
  they're
• 12:18
  in
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  same
• 12:18
  space
• 12:19
  as
• 12:19
  you.
• 12:20
  And
• 12:20
  so
• 12:21
  it's
• 12:21
  hard
• 12:22
  to
• 12:22
  scale
• 12:22
  properly
• 12:23
  and
• 12:24
  keep
• 12:24
  your
• 12:24
  margins
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  where
• 12:26
  they
• 12:26
  need
• 12:26
  to
• 12:26
  be
• 12:26
  to
• 12:26
  make
• 12:26
  it
• 12:27
  profitable
• 12:28
  and
• 12:29
  sell
• 12:30
  the
• 12:30
  volume
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  not
• 12:32
  spend
• 12:32
  more
• 12:32
  time
• 12:33
  than
• 12:33
  it's
• 12:33
  worth
• 12:34
  tying
• 12:34
  them.
• 12:36
  It's
• 12:36
  very
• 12:36
  difficult
• 12:37
  to
• 12:37
  find
• 12:37
  something
• 12:38
  that's
• 12:39
  actually
• 12:39
  profitable
• 12:40
  within
• 12:40
  the
• 12:41
  fly
• 12:41
  tying
• 12:42
  space.
• 12:44
  Going
• 12:44
  to
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  bigger
• 12:45
  companies
• 12:45
  and
• 12:45
  stuff
• 12:45
  like
• 12:46
  that.
• 12:46
  If
• 12:46
  you're
• 12:46
  just
• 12:46
  doing
• 12:46
  it
• 12:46
  yourself,
• 12:47
  it's
• 12:47
  hard
• 12:47
  to
• 12:47
  be
• 12:48
  long
• 12:48
  term
• 12:49
  profitable
• 12:50
  in
• 12:50
  that
• 12:50
  way.
• 12:51
  Yeah.
• 12:51
  And
• 12:51
  I
• 12:51
  would
• 12:51
  also
• 12:52
  say
• 12:52
  some
• 12:52
  of
• 12:52
  these
• 12:52
  bigger
• 12:53
  patterns,
• 12:53
  it's
• 12:54
  just,
• 12:54
  they're
• 12:54
  just
• 12:54
  so
• 12:55
  involved,
• 12:55
  it's
• 12:55
  kind
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  hard
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  scale
• 12:56
  it,
• 12:56
  right?
• 12:58
  Absolutely.
• 12:59
  Well,
• 12:59
  I,
• 13:00
  you
• 13:00
  know,
• 13:01
  I
• 13:01
  don't
• 13:01
  sell
• 13:01
  game
• 13:01
  changers
• 13:02
  anymore,
• 13:02
  but
• 13:02
  what
• 13:02
  I.
• 13:03
  When
• 13:03
  I
• 13:03
  did,
• 13:04
  you
• 13:04
  know,
• 13:04
  the
• 13:04
  most
• 13:05
  I
• 13:05
  could
• 13:05
  tie
• 13:05
  in
• 13:05
  a
• 13:05
  day
• 13:06
  was
• 13:06
  maybe
• 13:07
  eight
• 13:07
  to
• 13:07
  ten,
• 13:07
  something
• 13:08
  like
• 13:08
  that,
• 13:08
  because
• 13:09
  I'm
• 13:09
  making
• 13:09
  all
• 13:09
  the
• 13:09
  brushes,
• 13:10
  making
• 13:10
  all
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  shanks,
• 13:11
  doing
• 13:12
  handmade,
• 13:13
  and.
• 13:13
  And
• 13:14
  then
• 13:14
  you're
• 13:14
  selling
• 13:15
  the
• 13:15
  fly
• 13:15
  for
• 13:15
  $20
• 13:17
  and,
• 13:18
  you
• 13:18
  know,
• 13:18
  minus
• 13:19
  your
• 13:19
  material
• 13:19
  costs
• 13:20
  all
• 13:20
  the
• 13:20
  time
• 13:21
  it
• 13:21
  takes
• 13:22
  putting
• 13:22
  into
• 13:22
  it,
• 13:23
  then
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  excise
• 13:23
  tax
• 13:24
  on
• 13:24
  top
• 13:24
  of
• 13:24
  that.
• 13:25
  Plus,
• 13:25
  if
• 13:25
  you
• 13:25
  want
• 13:25
  to
• 13:25
  even
• 13:26
  consider
• 13:27
  selling
• 13:27
  them
• 13:27
  wholesale,
• 13:28
  that's
• 13:28
  40%
• 13:28
  to
• 13:29
  50%
• 13:29
  off
• 13:29
  the
• 13:30
  top
• 13:30
  right
• 13:30
  there.
• 13:31
  And
• 13:31
  it's
• 13:31
  just,
• 13:32
  you're
• 13:32
  looking
• 13:33
  at
• 13:33
  minimum
• 13:34
  wage
• 13:34
  or
• 13:34
  something
• 13:35
  like
• 13:35
  that
• 13:35
  at
• 13:35
  that
• 13:35
  point.
• 13:36
  Yeah.
• 13:37
  Any
• 13:37
  other
• 13:37
  challenges
• 13:38
  kind
• 13:38
  of
• 13:38
  jump
• 13:38
  out
• 13:39
  to
• 13:39
  you?
• 13:39
  Kind
• 13:39
  of,
• 13:39
  you
• 13:40
  know,
• 13:40
  being
• 13:40
  a
• 13:40
  production
• 13:40
  tire?
• 13:42
  Yes.
• 13:44
  So
• 13:46
  when
• 13:46
  you're
• 13:46
  trying
• 13:47
  to,
• 13:48
  you
• 13:48
  know,
• 13:49
  production
• 13:49
  tie
• 13:50
  and
• 13:50
  you're
• 13:50
  having
• 13:50
  to
• 13:50
  use
• 13:50
  so
• 13:51
  much
• 13:51
  materials
• 13:52
  and
• 13:52
  you're
• 13:52
  having
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  tie
• 13:53
  so
• 13:53
  many
• 13:53
  flies,
• 13:54
  you're
• 13:54
  dealing
• 13:55
  not
• 13:55
  only
• 13:55
  with
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  monotony,
• 13:56
  but
• 13:57
  a
• 13:57
  lot
• 13:57
  of
• 13:58
  people
• 13:58
  think
• 13:58
  you
• 13:58
  got
• 13:58
  to
• 13:58
  use
• 13:59
  materials
• 13:59
  from
• 13:59
  a
• 13:59
  fly
• 14:00
  shop
• 14:01
  that
• 14:01
  are
• 14:01
  specific
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  fly
• 14:02
  tying.
• 14:03
  But
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  reality
• 14:04
  is
• 14:04
  the
• 14:04
  industry
• 14:05
  so
• 14:05
  small,
• 14:06
  lots
• 14:06
  of
• 14:06
  the
• 14:07
  fly
• 14:07
  time
• 14:07
  materials
• 14:08
  are
• 14:08
  repurposed
• 14:09
  materials
• 14:10
  from
• 14:10
  other
• 14:11
  industries.
• 14:11
  And
• 14:11
  so
• 14:12
  if
• 14:12
  you
• 14:12
  look
• 14:12
  around,
• 14:13
  you
• 14:13
  can
• 14:13
  find,
• 14:14
  you
• 14:14
  know,
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  use
• 14:15
  wig
• 14:15
  hair
• 14:16
  for
• 14:16
  a
• 14:16
  lot
• 14:16
  of
• 14:16
  stuff
• 14:17
  because
• 14:17
  it's
• 14:17
  very
• 14:18
  similar
• 14:18
  to,
• 14:19
  uh,
• 14:20
  some
• 14:20
  of
• 14:20
  the
• 14:20
  stiffer
• 14:21
  synthetic
• 14:21
  fibers
• 14:22
  that
• 14:22
  you
• 14:22
  can
• 14:22
  find
• 14:22
  from
• 14:22
  fly
• 14:23
  kind
• 14:23
  companies.
• 14:23
  And
• 14:24
  it
• 14:25
  probably
• 14:25
  is
• 14:25
  just
• 14:25
  the
• 14:25
  same
• 14:26
  stuff
• 14:26
  being
• 14:26
  repackaged,
• 14:28
  but,
• 14:28
  uh,
• 14:29
  it's,
• 14:29
  it's,
• 14:30
  it's
• 14:30
  handy
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  be
• 14:31
  able
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  go
• 14:32
  off
• 14:32
  script
• 14:32
  and
• 14:32
  find
• 14:33
  bulk
• 14:33
  materials
• 14:34
  that
• 14:34
  are,
• 14:35
  uh,
• 14:36
  that
• 14:36
  are
• 14:36
  not
• 14:37
  specifically
• 14:37
  branded
• 14:38
  fly
• 14:38
  tying,
• 14:38
  but
• 14:39
  that
• 14:39
  do
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  same
• 14:39
  thing.
• 14:40
  Yeah,
• 14:41
  it's
• 14:41
  also
• 14:41
  too,
• 14:41
  I
• 14:42
  mean,
• 14:42
  it's
• 14:42
  like,
• 14:42
  you
• 14:42
  know,
• 14:42
  it's
• 14:42
  also
• 14:43
  a
• 14:43
  good
• 14:43
  idea
• 14:43
  for
• 14:43
  folks
• 14:43
  to
• 14:44
  go
• 14:44
  to
• 14:44
  hobby
• 14:44
  lobbies
• 14:45
  and,
• 14:45
  you
• 14:45
  know,
• 14:46
  Michaels
• 14:47
  and
• 14:47
  places
• 14:47
  like
• 14:47
  that
• 14:47
  for
• 14:48
  exactly
• 14:48
  that
• 14:48
  reason,
• 14:49
  because
• 14:49
  you
• 14:49
  can
• 14:49
  find
• 14:49
  some
• 14:49
  pretty
• 14:49
  cool
• 14:50
  stuff
• 14:50
  to
• 14:50
  tie
• 14:50
  with
• 14:50
  there.
• 14:52
  Absolutely.
• 14:53
  I
• 14:53
  have
• 14:53
  spent
• 14:53
  way
• 14:54
  too
• 14:54
  much
• 14:54
  money
• 14:54
  at
• 14:54
  those
• 14:55
  stores.
• 14:56
  So.
• 14:57
  So
• 14:58
  what
• 14:58
  attracted
• 14:58
  you
• 14:59
  to
• 14:59
  tying?
• 14:59
  You
• 14:59
  know,
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  guess
• 15:00
  what
• 15:00
  I
• 15:00
  would
• 15:00
  generally
• 15:01
  call
• 15:01
  predator
• 15:01
  flies.
• 15:02
  Is
• 15:02
  it
• 15:02
  just,
• 15:02
  you
• 15:02
  know,
• 15:03
  that's
• 15:03
  what
• 15:03
  you
• 15:03
  like
• 15:03
  to
• 15:04
  fish
• 15:04
  for,
• 15:04
  or
• 15:04
  is
• 15:04
  there
• 15:04
  something
• 15:05
  else
• 15:05
  that
• 15:05
  kind
• 15:05
  of
• 15:05
  drew
• 15:06
  you
• 15:06
  in?
• 15:08
  I
• 15:09
  mean,
• 15:09
  I
• 15:09
  think
• 15:09
  it
• 15:09
  would
• 15:10
  just
• 15:10
  mostly
• 15:11
  stem
• 15:11
  from.
• 15:11
  That's
• 15:12
  what
• 15:12
  I
• 15:12
  like
• 15:12
  to
• 15:12
  fish
• 15:12
  for,
• 15:13
  because
• 15:14
  so
• 15:14
  if
• 15:15
  you,
• 15:15
  if
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  go
• 15:15
  look
• 15:15
  on
• 15:16
  my
• 15:16
  website,
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  flies
• 15:17
  that
• 15:18
  I
• 15:18
  tie
• 15:19
  are
• 15:19
  carp
• 15:19
  flies,
• 15:20
  redfish
• 15:21
  flies,
• 15:21
  you
• 15:22
  know,
• 15:22
  saltwater
• 15:24
  predatory
• 15:25
  species,
• 15:25
  and
• 15:25
  bass
• 15:26
  flies.
• 15:27
  And
• 15:28
  so,
• 15:28
  obviously,
• 15:28
  you
• 15:28
  can
• 15:29
  use
• 15:29
  that
• 15:29
  kind
• 15:29
  of
• 15:29
  stuff
• 15:29
  for
• 15:31
  pike,
• 15:31
  muskie,
• 15:32
  all
• 15:32
  sorts
• 15:32
  of
• 15:32
  other
• 15:33
  species,
• 15:34
  but
• 15:34
  it's.
• 15:34
  I
• 15:35
  tie
• 15:35
  for
• 15:35
  what
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  fish
• 15:36
  for
• 15:36
  because
• 15:38
  I
• 15:38
  can't
• 15:38
  go
• 15:38
  test
• 15:39
  my
• 15:39
  flies
• 15:40
  on
• 15:40
  other
• 15:40
  species
• 15:41
  because
• 15:42
  they're
• 15:42
  not
• 15:42
  here.
• 15:42
  You
• 15:43
  know,
• 15:43
  I
• 15:43
  have
• 15:43
  to,
• 15:44
  have
• 15:44
  to
• 15:44
  design
• 15:44
  for
• 15:45
  what
• 15:45
  I
• 15:45
  can
• 15:46
  fish
• 15:46
  for,
• 15:47
  typically.
• 15:48
  So,
• 15:49
  so
• 15:49
  that's
• 15:50
  what
• 15:50
  I
• 15:50
  do.
• 15:51
  And,
• 15:51
  and,
• 15:51
  yeah,
• 15:51
  that
• 15:52
  bass
• 15:52
  are
• 15:52
  mostly
• 15:53
  what
• 15:53
  I'm
• 15:53
  fishing
• 15:54
  for.
• 15:54
  So
• 15:54
  a
• 15:54
  lot
• 15:54
  of
• 15:55
  my
• 15:55
  time
• 15:55
  is
• 15:55
  spent
• 15:56
  trying
• 15:56
  to
• 15:56
  come
• 15:57
  up
• 15:57
  with
• 15:57
  bass
• 15:57
  flies.
• 15:59
  Got
• 15:59
  it.
• 15:59
  And,
• 15:59
  you
• 15:59
  know,
• 16:00
  I
• 16:00
  think
• 16:00
  you're
• 16:00
  probably
• 16:00
  best
• 16:01
  known
• 16:01
  for
• 16:01
  your
• 16:01
  spiral
• 16:02
  spook
• 16:02
  pattern.
• 16:03
  I
• 16:03
  was
• 16:03
  kind
• 16:03
  of
• 16:03
  wondering
• 16:03
  if
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  could
• 16:04
  let
• 16:04
  us
• 16:04
  know
• 16:04
  a
• 16:04
  little
• 16:05
  bit
• 16:05
  about,
• 16:05
  you
• 16:06
  know,
• 16:06
  where
• 16:07
  the
• 16:07
  idea
• 16:07
  for
• 16:07
  the
• 16:08
  pattern
• 16:08
  came
• 16:08
  from
• 16:08
  and
• 16:08
  kind
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  how
• 16:09
  you
• 16:09
  developed
• 16:09
  it.
• 16:12
  Yeah,
• 16:12
  I,
• 16:13
  you
• 16:13
  know,
• 16:14
  when
• 16:14
  I
• 16:14
  was
• 16:14
  conventional
• 16:15
  fishing,
• 16:15
  I.
• 16:16
  My
• 16:17
  favorite
• 16:17
  way
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  catch
• 16:18
  fish
• 16:18
  was
• 16:19
  to
• 16:19
  throw
• 16:20
  a
• 16:21
  four
• 16:22
  or
• 16:22
  five
• 16:22
  inch
• 16:23
  stone
• 16:24
  spook
• 16:25
  and
• 16:25
  catch
• 16:26
  bass
• 16:26
  on
• 16:26
  top
• 16:26
  water
• 16:26
  that
• 16:27
  way.
• 16:27
  And
• 16:29
  it
• 16:29
  was
• 16:29
  just,
• 16:29
  there's,
• 16:30
  there's
• 16:30
  nothing
• 16:31
  quite
• 16:31
  like
• 16:31
  it
• 16:32
  being
• 16:32
  able
• 16:32
  to
• 16:33
  move
• 16:33
  the
• 16:34
  bait
• 16:34
  so
• 16:34
  much
• 16:35
  in
• 16:35
  such
• 16:35
  a
• 16:35
  short
• 16:35
  space.
• 16:36
  So
• 16:36
  you're
• 16:36
  not,
• 16:36
  you
• 16:37
  know,
• 16:37
  ripping
• 16:37
  a,
• 16:38
  ripping
• 16:38
  the
• 16:38
  lure
• 16:39
  away
• 16:39
  from
• 16:39
  the
• 16:39
  fish
• 16:40
  where
• 16:40
  you
• 16:40
  can
• 16:40
  really
• 16:40
  work
• 16:41
  it
• 16:41
  in
• 16:41
  one
• 16:41
  spot
• 16:42
  and
• 16:43
  seeing
• 16:43
  the
• 16:43
  lure
• 16:44
  go
• 16:44
  side
• 16:44
  to
• 16:44
  side,
• 16:45
  there's
• 16:45
  a
• 16:46
  lot
• 16:46
  to
• 16:46
  it
• 16:46
  that
• 16:47
  I
• 16:47
  really
• 16:47
  enjoy.
• 16:47
  And
• 16:48
  so
• 16:49
  there's
• 16:50
  really
• 16:50
  cool
• 16:51
  deer
• 16:51
  hair
• 16:51
  scoops
• 16:52
  that
• 16:52
  people
• 16:52
  tie,
• 16:53
  and
• 16:53
  some
• 16:53
  of
• 16:53
  them
• 16:53
  are
• 16:54
  just
• 16:54
  gorgeous
• 16:55
  works
• 16:55
  of
• 16:55
  art,
• 16:56
  but
• 16:58
  I
• 16:58
  don't
• 16:59
  do
• 16:59
  a
• 16:59
  ton
• 16:59
  of
• 16:59
  deer
• 17:00
  hair
• 17:00
  work.
• 17:00
  I've
• 17:00
  tied
• 17:00
  some
• 17:01
  of
• 17:01
  those,
• 17:01
  but,
• 17:02
  uh,
• 17:04
  you
• 17:04
  know,
• 17:04
  it
• 17:04
  takes
• 17:05
  a
• 17:05
  long
• 17:05
  time,
• 17:06
  and,
• 17:07
  uh,
• 17:08
  they,
• 17:08
  they
• 17:09
  can
• 17:09
  absorb
• 17:10
  water
• 17:10
  and
• 17:10
  get
• 17:11
  heavy
• 17:11
  and,
• 17:12
  and
• 17:12
  all
• 17:12
  the.
• 17:13
  Well,
• 17:13
  there's.
• 17:14
  There's
• 17:14
  a
• 17:14
  host
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  reasons
• 17:15
  to
• 17:15
  feed
• 17:15
  fish
• 17:16
  them,
• 17:16
  and
• 17:16
  there's
• 17:16
  a
• 17:17
  host
• 17:17
  of
• 17:17
  reasons
• 17:18
  not
• 17:18
  to.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:18
  I
• 17:18
  just
• 17:19
  wanted
• 17:19
  to
• 17:19
  find
• 17:19
  something
• 17:20
  that
• 17:21
  was
• 17:21
  more
• 17:21
  in
• 17:21
  my
• 17:22
  wheelhouse.
• 17:22
  And
• 17:23
  I
• 17:23
  really
• 17:23
  like
• 17:23
  to
• 17:23
  use
• 17:24
  foam
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  synthetics
• 17:26
  and,
• 17:26
  and
• 17:27
  a
• 17:27
  lot
• 17:27
  of
• 17:27
  the
• 17:28
  newer
• 17:28
  style
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  fly
• 17:30
  tying
• 17:30
  stuff.
• 17:31
  And
• 17:31
  so
• 17:32
  I
• 17:32
  was,
• 17:32
  I
• 17:32
  also
• 17:33
  didn't
• 17:33
  want
• 17:33
  to
• 17:33
  just
• 17:35
  stick
• 17:35
  foam
• 17:36
  on
• 17:36
  a
• 17:36
  lathe
• 17:36
  or
• 17:36
  something
• 17:37
  like
• 17:37
  that.
• 17:37
  I
• 17:37
  wanted
• 17:37
  to
• 17:38
  actually
• 17:38
  tie
• 17:39
  up
• 17:39
  a
• 17:39
  fly
• 17:40
  that's,
• 17:41
  that
• 17:42
  could
• 17:42
  walk
• 17:42
  the
• 17:42
  dog
• 17:43
  like
• 17:43
  that
• 17:43
  and
• 17:44
  replicate
• 17:44
  that
• 17:44
  side
• 17:44
  to
• 17:45
  side
• 17:45
  motion.
• 17:46
  And
• 17:47
  so
• 17:48
  the
• 17:48
  very
• 17:48
  first
• 17:48
  time,
• 17:49
  I
• 17:49
  just,
• 17:51
  I
• 17:51
  thought
• 17:51
  about,
• 17:52
  you
• 17:52
  know,
• 17:52
  having
• 17:53
  weights
• 17:54
  inside
• 17:55
  of
• 17:55
  a
• 17:56
  foam
• 17:57
  wrapped
• 17:57
  body,
• 17:58
  and
• 17:58
  I
• 17:58
  tried
• 17:59
  something
• 17:59
  and
• 18:00
  tied
• 18:00
  it
• 18:00
  up,
• 18:00
  and
• 18:02
  it
• 18:02
  seemed
• 18:02
  to
• 18:03
  work
• 18:03
  okay.
• 18:04
  And
• 18:04
  I
• 18:04
  knew
• 18:04
  I
• 18:05
  had
• 18:05
  something
• 18:05
  that
• 18:05
  I
• 18:05
  could
• 18:06
  work
• 18:06
  with
• 18:06
  from
• 18:06
  that
• 18:06
  point.
• 18:07
  I
• 18:07
  wanted
• 18:07
  to
• 18:07
  go
• 18:08
  side
• 18:08
  to
• 18:08
  side,
• 18:09
  and
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  knew
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  could
• 18:09
  just
• 18:10
  play
• 18:10
  with
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  weights
• 18:11
  and
• 18:11
  the
• 18:11
  sizes
• 18:12
  and
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  thickness
• 18:13
  and
• 18:13
  all
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  different
• 18:13
  things
• 18:14
  that
• 18:14
  go
• 18:14
  into
• 18:14
  it
• 18:14
  and
• 18:15
  make
• 18:15
  it
• 18:15
  work.
• 18:15
  So,
• 18:17
  you
• 18:17
  know,
• 18:17
  I've.
• 18:17
  I'm.
• 18:18
  I've
• 18:18
  been
• 18:19
  still
• 18:20
  messing
• 18:20
  with
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  design
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  that
• 18:22
  fly
• 18:22
  three,
• 18:23
  four
• 18:23
  years
• 18:23
  later
• 18:24
  now.
• 18:25
  And.
• 18:25
  Interesting.
• 18:26
  And
• 18:26
  so
• 18:26
  are
• 18:27
  you
• 18:27
  imparting
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  action
• 18:29
  on
• 18:29
  the
• 18:29
  spiral
• 18:29
  spook
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  same
• 18:30
  way
• 18:30
  you
• 18:31
  would,
• 18:31
  you
• 18:31
  know,
• 18:31
  impart
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  action,
• 18:33
  uh,
• 18:34
  with
• 18:34
  a
• 18:34
  conventional
• 18:35
  bait,
• 18:36
  or
• 18:36
  are
• 18:36
  you.
• 18:36
  Or
• 18:37
  did
• 18:37
  you
• 18:37
  adapt
• 18:37
  it
• 18:38
  for,
• 18:38
  you
• 18:38
  know,
• 18:39
  um,
• 18:39
  for
• 18:40
  fly
• 18:40
  fishing?
• 18:42
  That's.
• 18:42
  No,
• 18:42
  that's
• 18:43
  a
• 18:43
  good
• 18:43
  question.
• 18:43
  I,
• 18:44
  uh.
• 18:44
  With
• 18:45
  a
• 18:45
  conventional
• 18:46
  bait,
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  know,
• 18:46
  you're
• 18:47
  using
• 18:47
  the
• 18:47
  rod
• 18:47
  tip,
• 18:47
  you're
• 18:48
  having
• 18:48
  a
• 18:48
  pocket.
• 18:48
  You
• 18:49
  gotta
• 18:49
  let
• 18:49
  slack
• 18:49
  come
• 18:50
  into
• 18:50
  blinden.
• 18:51
  And
• 18:51
  you
• 18:51
  do
• 18:51
  use
• 18:52
  some
• 18:52
  of
• 18:52
  the
• 18:52
  same
• 18:52
  concepts
• 18:53
  when
• 18:53
  you're
• 18:53
  fishing
• 18:54
  these
• 18:54
  spooks,
• 18:55
  but
• 18:56
  they're
• 18:57
  so
• 18:57
  light
• 18:58
  compared
• 18:58
  to
• 18:58
  their
• 18:59
  conventional
• 18:59
  counterparts
• 19:00
  that
• 19:02
  you
• 19:02
  do
• 19:02
  have
• 19:03
  to
• 19:03
  fish
• 19:03
  them
• 19:03
  differently.
• 19:04
  The
• 19:05
  first
• 19:05
  ones
• 19:05
  that
• 19:05
  I
• 19:05
  made,
• 19:06
  you
• 19:06
  had
• 19:06
  to
• 19:06
  strip
• 19:07
  them
• 19:07
  fast
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  get
• 19:08
  them
• 19:08
  to
• 19:08
  walk.
• 19:09
  It's
• 19:09
  kind
• 19:09
  of
• 19:09
  how
• 19:09
  I
• 19:09
  weighted
• 19:10
  them
• 19:10
  was
• 19:11
  get
• 19:12
  a
• 19:12
  good
• 19:12
  cadence
• 19:13
  going.
• 19:13
  You
• 19:14
  could
• 19:14
  get
• 19:14
  them
• 19:14
  to
• 19:14
  walk
• 19:14
  side
• 19:15
  to
• 19:15
  side.
• 19:15
  But
• 19:16
  I
• 19:16
  realized
• 19:16
  pretty
• 19:17
  quickly
• 19:17
  that
• 19:17
  not
• 19:17
  everyone
• 19:19
  can
• 19:19
  strip
• 19:19
  really
• 19:20
  fast
• 19:21
  or
• 19:21
  keep
• 19:22
  the
• 19:22
  tempo
• 19:23
  just
• 19:23
  right.
• 19:24
  And
• 19:24
  if
• 19:24
  you
• 19:24
  couldn't
• 19:25
  do
• 19:25
  that,
• 19:25
  then
• 19:25
  it
• 19:25
  wouldn't
• 19:26
  walk,
• 19:26
  and
• 19:26
  so
• 19:26
  people
• 19:27
  would
• 19:27
  get
• 19:27
  frustrated.
• 19:28
  So
• 19:30
  one
• 19:30
  of
• 19:30
  the
• 19:31
  solutions
• 19:31
  to
• 19:31
  that
• 19:32
  is
• 19:32
  to
• 19:32
  add
• 19:32
  more
• 19:32
  weight
• 19:33
  to
• 19:33
  kind
• 19:34
  of
• 19:34
  help
• 19:34
  keep
• 19:35
  it
• 19:36
  going
• 19:36
  side
• 19:36
  to
• 19:37
  side,
• 19:37
  but
• 19:37
  then
• 19:37
  they
• 19:37
  get
• 19:38
  heavy
• 19:38
  to
• 19:38
  cast.
• 19:39
  So
• 19:40
  I
• 19:40
  ended
• 19:40
  up
• 19:40
  kind
• 19:40
  of
• 19:41
  realizing
• 19:41
  that
• 19:42
  the
• 19:42
  fly
• 19:43
  doesn't
• 19:43
  have
• 19:44
  nearly
• 19:44
  as
• 19:44
  much
• 19:44
  inertia
• 19:45
  as
• 19:47
  conventional
• 19:47
  spook
• 19:48
  does.
• 19:49
  So
• 19:49
  you
• 19:50
  can't
• 19:50
  just
• 19:51
  weight
• 19:51
  the
• 19:52
  fly
• 19:52
  in
• 19:52
  one
• 19:52
  spot
• 19:53
  like
• 19:53
  a
• 19:53
  conventional
• 19:54
  spook.
• 19:55
  You
• 19:55
  have
• 19:55
  to
• 19:55
  distribute
• 19:56
  the
• 19:56
  weight
• 19:56
  throughout
• 19:56
  the
• 19:57
  fly.
• 19:58
  And
• 19:59
  it's
• 19:59
  all
• 19:59
  wrapped
• 20:00
  under,
• 20:00
  under
• 20:00
  that
• 20:01
  outer
• 20:01
  foam
• 20:02
  wrap.
• 20:02
  But
• 20:03
  it
• 20:03
  has
• 20:03
  to
• 20:03
  be
• 20:03
  very,
• 20:04
  very
• 20:04
  precise
• 20:05
  to
• 20:06
  get
• 20:06
  it
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  go
• 20:06
  side
• 20:06
  to
• 20:06
  side.
• 20:07
  So
• 20:07
  now
• 20:07
  I
• 20:07
  have
• 20:08
  it
• 20:08
  where
• 20:09
  you
• 20:09
  keep
• 20:09
  your
• 20:09
  rod
• 20:10
  tip
• 20:10
  in
• 20:10
  the
• 20:10
  water,
• 20:11
  pointed
• 20:11
  at
• 20:11
  the
• 20:11
  fly.
• 20:12
  You
• 20:12
  don't
• 20:13
  move
• 20:13
  the
• 20:13
  rod
• 20:13
  tip
• 20:13
  at
• 20:14
  all.
• 20:14
  And
• 20:15
  you
• 20:15
  do
• 20:15
  a
• 20:15
  slow,
• 20:16
  deliberate,
• 20:17
  but
• 20:17
  sharp
• 20:17
  strip,
• 20:20
  just
• 20:20
  maybe
• 20:20
  three
• 20:21
  or
• 20:21
  four
• 20:21
  inches
• 20:21
  aligned
• 20:22
  with
• 20:22
  a
• 20:22
  very
• 20:22
  sharp
• 20:23
  stop.
• 20:24
  But
• 20:24
  you
• 20:24
  can
• 20:24
  do
• 20:24
  it
• 20:24
  smooth
• 20:25
  and
• 20:25
  slow,
• 20:26
  and
• 20:26
  that
• 20:26
  gets
• 20:27
  it
• 20:27
  walking
• 20:27
  side
• 20:27
  to
• 20:28
  side
• 20:28
  with.
• 20:28
  With
• 20:28
  a
• 20:28
  lot
• 20:29
  more
• 20:29
  glide
• 20:29
  than
• 20:30
  I
• 20:30
  used
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  have
• 20:30
  it.
• 20:30
  It
• 20:30
  used
• 20:31
  to
• 20:31
  kind
• 20:31
  of
• 20:31
  chop
• 20:32
  side
• 20:32
  to
• 20:32
  side
• 20:32
  if
• 20:33
  you
• 20:33
  moved
• 20:33
  it
• 20:33
  fast.
• 20:33
  Now
• 20:33
  it
• 20:34
  glides
• 20:34
  more,
• 20:35
  and
• 20:35
  it's
• 20:35
  a
• 20:35
  lot
• 20:35
  easier
• 20:36
  to
• 20:36
  walk,
• 20:37
  and
• 20:38
  it's
• 20:38
  a
• 20:38
  lot
• 20:38
  easier
• 20:39
  for
• 20:39
  people
• 20:39
  that
• 20:40
  aren't
• 20:41
  as
• 20:41
  skilled
• 20:42
  at
• 20:42
  stripping
• 20:42
  fast
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  be
• 20:43
  able.
• 20:44
  To
• 20:44
  make
• 20:44
  it
• 20:44
  work
• 20:45
  very,
• 20:45
  very
• 20:46
  neat.
• 20:46
  And,
• 20:46
  you
• 20:46
  know,
• 20:47
  it's
• 20:47
  always
• 20:47
  interesting
• 20:48
  because
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  always
• 20:48
  find
• 20:48
  that
• 20:49
  kind
• 20:49
  of
• 20:50
  almost
• 20:51
  every
• 20:51
  predator
• 20:51
  fly
• 20:52
  guy
• 20:52
  I've
• 20:52
  talked
• 20:53
  to,
• 20:53
  they
• 20:54
  have
• 20:54
  a
• 20:54
  deep,
• 20:54
  conventional
• 20:55
  angling
• 20:55
  background,
• 20:56
  and
• 20:56
  they
• 20:56
  just
• 20:56
  decided
• 20:57
  that
• 20:57
  they
• 20:57
  wanted
• 20:58
  to
• 20:58
  kind
• 20:58
  of
• 20:58
  apply
• 20:58
  that
• 20:59
  knowledge
• 20:59
  in
• 20:59
  the
• 21:00
  fly
• 21:00
  fishing
• 21:00
  space.
• 21:01
  What
• 21:01
  are
• 21:01
  some
• 21:01
  other
• 21:02
  things
• 21:03
  that
• 21:03
  your
• 21:03
  conventional
• 21:04
  angling
• 21:04
  backgrounds
• 21:05
  brought
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  your
• 21:05
  fly
• 21:06
  designs?
• 21:08
  Yeah.
• 21:08
  So
• 21:09
  I
• 21:09
  think
• 21:10
  most
• 21:10
  of
• 21:10
  what
• 21:11
  I
• 21:11
  brought
• 21:12
  coming
• 21:13
  from
• 21:13
  a
• 21:13
  conventional
• 21:14
  background,
• 21:14
  I
• 21:14
  wasn't
• 21:15
  super
• 21:15
  serious
• 21:16
  on
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  conventional
• 21:17
  side
• 21:17
  of
• 21:17
  things.
• 21:17
  I
• 21:18
  did
• 21:18
  it
• 21:18
  for
• 21:18
  fun
• 21:19
  fairly
• 21:19
  often,
• 21:20
  but
• 21:22
  just
• 21:23
  the
• 21:24
  movements
• 21:24
  that
• 21:24
  trigger
• 21:25
  bass,
• 21:25
  especially,
• 21:26
  were
• 21:27
  some
• 21:27
  of
• 21:27
  the
• 21:27
  things
• 21:28
  that
• 21:28
  I
• 21:28
  still
• 21:28
  try
• 21:28
  to
• 21:28
  replicate
• 21:29
  with
• 21:29
  my
• 21:29
  flies.
• 21:31
  Whether
• 21:31
  it's
• 21:32
  you
• 21:32
  know,
• 21:32
  right
• 21:33
  now,
• 21:33
  I've.
• 21:33
  I've
• 21:33
  been
• 21:34
  messing
• 21:35
  around
• 21:35
  with,
• 21:35
  uh,
• 21:36
  some
• 21:36
  glide
• 21:36
  bait
• 21:37
  style,
• 21:38
  uh,
• 21:39
  fries
• 21:39
  that
• 21:40
  I
• 21:40
  still
• 21:40
  haven't
• 21:40
  perfected.
• 21:41
  But
• 21:41
  I
• 21:42
  just.
• 21:42
  I
• 21:42
  love
• 21:42
  seeing
• 21:43
  a
• 21:43
  glide
• 21:43
  bait
• 21:44
  chop
• 21:44
  side
• 21:44
  to
• 21:45
  side,
• 21:45
  and
• 21:45
  that's
• 21:45
  something
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  want
• 21:46
  to,
• 21:47
  uh,
• 21:48
  do
• 21:48
  with
• 21:48
  a
• 21:48
  fly.
• 21:49
  And,
• 21:50
  you
• 21:50
  know,
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  stook,
• 21:51
  obviously,
• 21:52
  I've
• 21:52
  got
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  frog
• 21:54
  that's
• 21:54
  really,
• 21:54
  really
• 21:54
  cool
• 21:55
  that
• 21:55
  are
• 21:56
  actually
• 21:57
  Blaine's
• 21:57
  gonna
• 21:57
  be
• 21:58
  producing
• 21:59
  through
• 21:59
  his
• 21:59
  chocolate
• 22:00
  factory,
• 22:01
  and
• 22:01
  that'll
• 22:02
  hopefully
• 22:02
  be
• 22:02
  here
• 22:03
  this
• 22:03
  next
• 22:03
  spring.
• 22:04
  But,
• 22:05
  you
• 22:06
  know,
• 22:06
  just
• 22:07
  replicating
• 22:07
  the
• 22:08
  style
• 22:08
  of
• 22:09
  what
• 22:09
  I
• 22:10
  used
• 22:10
  to
• 22:10
  enjoy
• 22:10
  throwing
• 22:11
  on
• 22:11
  conventional
• 22:11
  bait.
• 22:12
  I
• 22:12
  still
• 22:12
  do
• 22:12
  that
• 22:12
  with
• 22:12
  a
• 22:13
  fly
• 22:13
  rod,
• 22:13
  because
• 22:14
  the
• 22:14
  reason
• 22:14
  I
• 22:14
  use
• 22:14
  a
• 22:15
  fly
• 22:15
  rod
• 22:15
  is
• 22:16
  I
• 22:16
  enjoy
• 22:16
  the
• 22:16
  casting
• 22:17
  so
• 22:17
  much.
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  enjoy
• 22:18
  being
• 22:18
  able
• 22:19
  to
• 22:19
  make
• 22:19
  my
• 22:19
  own
• 22:20
  flies.
• 22:20
  I
• 22:20
  enjoy
• 22:21
  the
• 22:21
  light
• 22:21
  presentation
• 22:22
  of
• 22:23
  the
• 22:23
  flies.
• 22:23
  Just
• 22:24
  everything
• 22:24
  about
• 22:24
  that
• 22:25
  is
• 22:25
  kind
• 22:25
  of
• 22:25
  what
• 22:25
  draws
• 22:26
  me
• 22:26
  to
• 22:26
  fly
• 22:26
  fishing.
• 22:27
  And
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  don't
• 22:27
  feel
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  need
• 22:28
  to
• 22:29
  throw
• 22:29
  any
• 22:30
  conventional
• 22:31
  anymore
• 22:31
  just
• 22:31
  because
• 22:32
  I
• 22:32
  have
• 22:32
  more
• 22:32
  fun
• 22:33
  not
• 22:33
  catching
• 22:33
  fish,
• 22:33
  fly
• 22:34
  fishing
• 22:34
  than
• 22:35
  I
• 22:35
  do
• 22:35
  if
• 22:35
  I
• 22:36
  were
• 22:36
  catching
• 22:36
  fish,
• 22:36
  conventional.
• 22:37
  And
• 22:37
  so
• 22:38
  that's
• 22:38
  kind
• 22:38
  of
• 22:38
  my
• 22:38
  baseline.
• 22:39
  And
• 22:40
  fortunately,
• 22:41
  fly
• 22:41
  fishing,
• 22:41
  you
• 22:42
  usually
• 22:42
  do
• 22:42
  catch
• 22:42
  fish.
• 22:43
  And
• 22:43
  one
• 22:44
  of
• 22:44
  the
• 22:44
  best
• 22:44
  parts
• 22:44
  is
• 22:45
  you
• 22:45
  can
• 22:45
  see
• 22:45
  any
• 22:46
  fish,
• 22:47
  you
• 22:47
  know,
• 22:47
  any
• 22:47
  fish
• 22:48
  in
• 22:48
  the
• 22:48
  river
• 22:48
  that
• 22:48
  you
• 22:48
  see.
• 22:49
  Typically,
• 22:49
  there's
• 22:49
  a
• 22:49
  fly
• 22:50
  that
• 22:50
  it's
• 22:50
  going
• 22:50
  to
• 22:50
  eat.
• 22:50
  So
• 22:51
  that's
• 22:51
  the
• 22:51
  other,
• 22:52
  you
• 22:52
  know,
• 22:52
  side
• 22:52
  of
• 22:52
  that
• 22:53
  coin
• 22:53
  is
• 22:54
  when
• 22:54
  I
• 22:55
  was
• 22:55
  conventional
• 22:55
  fishing,
• 22:55
  I
• 22:56
  would
• 22:56
  never
• 22:56
  catch
• 22:56
  a
• 22:56
  carp
• 22:57
  or,
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  know,
• 22:58
  some
• 22:58
  of
• 22:58
  these
• 22:59
  cichlids
• 22:59
  or
• 23:00
  other
• 23:00
  things
• 23:00
  that
• 23:00
  are
• 23:00
  in
• 23:01
  the
• 23:01
  river.
• 23:01
  Just,
• 23:02
  you
• 23:02
  don't
• 23:02
  catch
• 23:03
  those
• 23:03
  on
• 23:03
  the
• 23:03
  things
• 23:03
  that
• 23:04
  you're
• 23:04
  throwing
• 23:04
  for
• 23:04
  bass.
• 23:04
  So
• 23:05
  now
• 23:05
  I
• 23:06
  usually
• 23:06
  keep
• 23:06
  three
• 23:07
  rods,
• 23:07
  you
• 23:07
  know,
• 23:08
  top
• 23:08
  water
• 23:09
  streamer,
• 23:09
  and
• 23:09
  then
• 23:10
  a
• 23:10
  carp
• 23:10
  or
• 23:11
  panfish
• 23:11
  style
• 23:12
  sour
• 23:13
  rod.
• 23:13
  And
• 23:13
  any
• 23:13
  fish
• 23:13
  I
• 23:13
  come
• 23:14
  across
• 23:14
  in
• 23:14
  our
• 23:14
  rivers
• 23:15
  I
• 23:15
  can
• 23:15
  make
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  decent
• 23:16
  presentation
• 23:17
  to
• 23:17
  that
• 23:18
  has
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  chance
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  catching
• 23:19
  them.
• 23:19
  Got
• 23:20
  it.
• 23:20
  And,
• 23:20
  you
• 23:20
  know,
• 23:20
  it's
• 23:20
  interesting,
• 23:21
  too,
• 23:21
  because
• 23:21
  your
• 23:21
  patterns
• 23:22
  are,
• 23:23
  you
• 23:23
  know,
• 23:23
  stylistically
• 23:24
  different.
• 23:25
  But
• 23:25
  I
• 23:25
  was
• 23:25
  wondering
• 23:26
  if
• 23:26
  there's
• 23:26
  maybe,
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  know,
• 23:27
  like,
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  unifying
• 23:28
  design
• 23:29
  philosophy
• 23:29
  that
• 23:29
  you
• 23:29
  have
• 23:30
  when
• 23:30
  you're
• 23:30
  trying
• 23:30
  to
• 23:30
  create
• 23:30
  new
• 23:31
  patterns.
• 23:33
  You
• 23:33
  know,
• 23:33
  probably
• 23:34
  the
• 23:34
  one
• 23:34
  thing
• 23:35
  I
• 23:35
  keep
• 23:35
  coming
• 23:35
  back
• 23:35
  to
• 23:36
  is
• 23:36
  trying
• 23:36
  to
• 23:37
  make
• 23:37
  weedless
• 23:38
  designs,
• 23:39
  or
• 23:39
  at
• 23:39
  least
• 23:40
  nagless,
• 23:41
  because
• 23:42
  I
• 23:42
  get
• 23:43
  really
• 23:43
  frustrated
• 23:44
  throwing
• 23:45
  any
• 23:45
  fly
• 23:46
  that's
• 23:46
  hook
• 23:46
  point
• 23:47
  down.
• 23:47
  And
• 23:48
  I
• 23:48
  also
• 23:48
  don't
• 23:48
  enjoy
• 23:49
  throwing
• 23:50
  jig
• 23:50
  flies
• 23:50
  all
• 23:50
  that
• 23:51
  much,
• 23:52
  so
• 23:54
  I
• 23:54
  really
• 23:54
  like
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  try
• 23:55
  to
• 23:55
  get
• 23:56
  level
• 23:56
  sinking
• 23:56
  flies
• 23:58
  that
• 23:58
  are
• 23:59
  hook
• 23:59
  point
• 23:59
  up,
• 24:00
  you
• 24:00
  know,
• 24:00
  whether
• 24:01
  it's
• 24:01
  a
• 24:01
  game
• 24:01
  changer
• 24:02
  that
• 24:02
  has
• 24:03
  a
• 24:03
  little
• 24:03
  bit
• 24:03
  of
• 24:03
  foam
• 24:04
  in
• 24:04
  it
• 24:04
  in
• 24:05
  certain
• 24:05
  places
• 24:06
  or
• 24:10
  some
• 24:10
  of
• 24:10
  the
• 24:11
  light
• 24:11
  style
• 24:12
  flies
• 24:12
  that
• 24:12
  I
• 24:12
  have,
• 24:13
  the
• 24:13
  spook
• 24:13
  sits
• 24:14
  hook
• 24:14
  point
• 24:14
  up.
• 24:15
  The
• 24:16
  frogs
• 24:16
  that
• 24:16
  I,
• 24:16
  that
• 24:17
  I've
• 24:17
  been
• 24:17
  designing
• 24:18
  are
• 24:18
  weedless.
• 24:19
  So
• 24:20
  I
• 24:21
  really
• 24:21
  like
• 24:21
  being
• 24:21
  able
• 24:21
  to
• 24:22
  throw
• 24:23
  flies
• 24:23
  back
• 24:23
  into
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  back
• 24:24
  into
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  junk
• 24:25
  and
• 24:25
  into
• 24:26
  the
• 24:26
  thick
• 24:27
  stuff
• 24:27
  where
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  bass,
• 24:28
  you
• 24:28
  know,
• 24:28
  typically
• 24:29
  are
• 24:30
  and
• 24:30
  not
• 24:30
  get
• 24:30
  snagged.
• 24:31
  So
• 24:31
  even
• 24:32
  on
• 24:32
  my
• 24:32
  cart
• 24:32
  flies,
• 24:32
  they
• 24:33
  all
• 24:33
  sit
• 24:33
  hook
• 24:33
  point
• 24:34
  up.
• 24:34
  And
• 24:35
  that's
• 24:35
  probably
• 24:35
  a
• 24:35
  pretty
• 24:35
  unifying
• 24:36
  thing
• 24:36
  that
• 24:36
  I
• 24:37
  use.
• 24:38
  Got
• 24:38
  it.
• 24:38
  And,
• 24:39
  you
• 24:39
  know,
• 24:39
  where
• 24:39
  do
• 24:39
  you
• 24:39
  get
• 24:40
  your
• 24:40
  ideas
• 24:41
  for
• 24:41
  your
• 24:41
  new
• 24:41
  patterns?
• 24:42
  And
• 24:42
  kind
• 24:42
  of
• 24:42
  like,
• 24:42
  how
• 24:42
  do
• 24:43
  you
• 24:43
  like
• 24:43
  to
• 24:43
  kind
• 24:43
  of
• 24:43
  go
• 24:44
  from
• 24:44
  kind
• 24:44
  of
• 24:44
  concept
• 24:45
  to
• 24:45
  finish
• 24:45
  flyver?
• 24:48
  Most
• 24:48
  of
• 24:48
  the
• 24:48
  time
• 24:49
  I
• 24:49
  start
• 24:49
  from
• 24:50
  being
• 24:50
  on
• 24:51
  the
• 24:51
  water
• 24:51
  and
• 24:51
  seeing
• 24:55
  either
• 24:55
  like
• 24:55
  a
• 24:55
  localized
• 24:56
  event
• 24:56
  where
• 24:57
  I
• 24:57
  see
• 24:57
  bass
• 24:57
  feeding
• 24:58
  on
• 24:58
  a
• 24:58
  certain
• 24:58
  bait
• 24:59
  fish
• 24:59
  or
• 25:00
  something,
• 25:01
  acting
• 25:01
  a
• 25:01
  certain
• 25:01
  way
• 25:02
  and
• 25:02
  wanting
• 25:02
  to
• 25:03
  replicate
• 25:03
  that
• 25:03
  movement,
• 25:06
  or
• 25:07
  just
• 25:07
  a
• 25:07
  bait
• 25:08
  fish
• 25:08
  in
• 25:08
  general,
• 25:09
  or
• 25:09
  for
• 25:09
  example,
• 25:10
  the
• 25:10
  frog,
• 25:10
  it's
• 25:10
  just
• 25:11
  wanting
• 25:11
  to
• 25:11
  replicate
• 25:12
  the
• 25:12
  kicking
• 25:12
  motion
• 25:13
  of
• 25:13
  a
• 25:13
  frog.
• 25:15
  So
• 25:15
  on
• 25:15
  the
• 25:15
  fly
• 25:16
  that
• 25:16
  I've
• 25:16
  designed,
• 25:17
  the
• 25:17
  legs,
• 25:18
  when
• 25:18
  you
• 25:19
  strip
• 25:19
  it
• 25:19
  forward,
• 25:20
  the
• 25:20
  legs
• 25:20
  kick
• 25:21
  backwards
• 25:21
  and
• 25:21
  then
• 25:22
  retract.
• 25:23
  And
• 25:24
  it
• 25:24
  looks
• 25:24
  like
• 25:24
  a
• 25:24
  frog
• 25:25
  swimming.
• 25:25
  But
• 25:25
  it
• 25:26
  took
• 25:26
  forever
• 25:26
  to
• 25:27
  figure
• 25:27
  out
• 25:27
  how
• 25:28
  to
• 25:28
  make
• 25:28
  that
• 25:28
  happen
• 25:29
  because
• 25:29
  it's
• 25:29
  a
• 25:30
  very
• 25:30
  unique
• 25:31
  motion
• 25:32
  in
• 25:34
  the
• 25:35
  design
• 25:36
  world.
• 25:36
  To
• 25:36
  have
• 25:38
  legs
• 25:38
  that
• 25:39
  kind
• 25:39
  of
• 25:40
  stay
• 25:40
  in
• 25:40
  place
• 25:40
  as
• 25:41
  you
• 25:41
  strip
• 25:41
  forward
• 25:41
  and
• 25:41
  then
• 25:42
  can
• 25:43
  spring
• 25:43
  back.
• 25:44
  It's
• 25:44
  a
• 25:45
  very
• 25:45
  difficult,
• 25:46
  but
• 25:47
  I
• 25:47
  enjoy
• 25:48
  that
• 25:48
  aspect
• 25:48
  of
• 25:48
  it.
• 25:49
  I
• 25:49
  like
• 25:49
  to
• 25:49
  try
• 25:50
  to
• 25:50
  have
• 25:50
  something
• 25:51
  slightly
• 25:52
  unique
• 25:53
  as
• 25:54
  kind
• 25:54
  of
• 25:54
  a
• 25:55
  selling
• 25:55
  point
• 25:56
  in
• 25:56
  each
• 25:56
  fly
• 25:56
  to
• 25:57
  make
• 25:57
  it,
• 25:57
  to
• 25:57
  make
• 25:57
  it
• 25:57
  worth
• 25:59
  designing
• 25:59
  a
• 25:59
  new
• 25:59
  flyer
• 26:00
  around
• 26:00
  something.
• 26:02
  Got
• 26:03
  it.
• 26:03
  And
• 26:03
  I
• 26:03
  always
• 26:03
  like
• 26:03
  to
• 26:04
  ask,
• 26:05
  you
• 26:05
  know,
• 26:05
  really
• 26:05
  serious
• 26:06
  tires
• 26:06
  to
• 26:07
  share
• 26:07
  three
• 26:07
  tips.
• 26:08
  Um,
• 26:09
  for
• 26:09
  us
• 26:09
  mere
• 26:10
  mortals,
• 26:10
  that
• 26:10
  will
• 26:10
  kind
• 26:10
  of
• 26:11
  help
• 26:11
  us
• 26:11
  up
• 26:11
  our
• 26:11
  game
• 26:11
  and
• 26:12
  bench,
• 26:12
  right?
• 26:14
  Yes,
• 26:15
  I
• 26:15
  can.
• 26:16
  All,
• 26:16
  you
• 26:16
  know,
• 26:17
  some
• 26:17
  of
• 26:17
  the,
• 26:18
  probably
• 26:18
  the
• 26:18
  biggest
• 26:18
  thing
• 26:19
  that,
• 26:19
  that
• 26:19
  has
• 26:20
  helped
• 26:20
  me
• 26:20
  is
• 26:21
  not
• 26:21
  being
• 26:21
  limited
• 26:22
  to
• 26:22
  materials
• 26:23
  and
• 26:24
  recipes
• 26:25
  and
• 26:26
  more
• 26:26
  understanding
• 26:27
  the
• 26:27
  inherent,
• 26:28
  like,
• 26:29
  qualities
• 26:30
  of
• 26:30
  each
• 26:30
  material.
• 26:31
  So
• 26:31
  being
• 26:32
  able
• 26:32
  to
• 26:33
  see
• 26:34
  a
• 26:34
  specific
• 26:34
  fiber
• 26:35
  and
• 26:35
  know
• 26:35
  that
• 26:36
  it's
• 26:36
  stiff
• 26:37
  or
• 26:37
  going
• 26:37
  to
• 26:37
  absorb
• 26:37
  water
• 26:38
  or
• 26:38
  whatever
• 26:39
  it
• 26:39
  is,
• 26:39
  and
• 26:39
  it
• 26:39
  doesn't
• 26:40
  have
• 26:40
  to,
• 26:41
  it
• 26:41
  doesn't
• 26:41
  have
• 26:41
  to
• 26:41
  be
• 26:42
  exactly
• 26:42
  what
• 26:43
  a
• 26:44
  certain
• 26:44
  fly
• 26:45
  pattern
• 26:45
  calls
• 26:46
  for,
• 26:46
  but
• 26:46
  if
• 26:46
  you
• 26:46
  have
• 26:46
  something
• 26:47
  that's
• 26:47
  going
• 26:47
  to
• 26:47
  perform
• 26:48
  the
• 26:48
  same,
• 26:48
  typically
• 26:49
  you
• 26:49
  can
• 26:50
  sub
• 26:50
  sub
• 26:50
  it
• 26:50
  out
• 26:51
  and
• 26:51
  it's
• 26:51
  going
• 26:51
  to
• 26:51
  be
• 26:51
  just
• 26:51
  fine.
• 26:52
  And
• 26:53
  honestly,
• 26:54
  you
• 26:54
  know,
• 26:54
  honestly,
• 26:56
  fish
• 26:56
  are
• 26:57
  not
• 26:57
  nearly
• 26:57
  as
• 26:58
  picky
• 26:59
  as
• 26:59
  we
• 26:59
  like
• 26:59
  to
• 26:59
  think
• 27:00
  they
• 27:00
  are
• 27:00
  for
• 27:00
  the
• 27:01
  most
• 27:01
  part,
• 27:02
  especially
• 27:02
  in
• 27:02
  the
• 27:02
  streamer
• 27:03
  world.
• 27:04
  And
• 27:05
  you
• 27:05
  can
• 27:05
  get
• 27:05
  away
• 27:06
  with,
• 27:06
  with
• 27:06
  some
• 27:07
  changes
• 27:07
  that
• 27:08
  may
• 27:09
  not
• 27:09
  be
• 27:09
  exactly
• 27:10
  what
• 27:10
  the
• 27:11
  original
• 27:11
  recipe
• 27:11
  calls
• 27:12
  for,
• 27:12
  but,
• 27:13
  uh,
• 27:14
  but
• 27:14
  it'll
• 27:14
  work
• 27:14
  out
• 27:15
  just
• 27:15
  fine.
• 27:15
  So
• 27:16
  I
• 27:16
  found
• 27:16
  that
• 27:17
  I
• 27:17
  tied
• 27:18
  up
• 27:18
  when
• 27:18
  I
• 27:18
  was
• 27:18
  first
• 27:19
  starting
• 27:19
  to,
• 27:20
  you
• 27:20
  know,
• 27:20
  tie,
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  found
• 27:21
  that
• 27:21
  I
• 27:21
  would.
• 27:22
  I
• 27:23
  had
• 27:23
  a
• 27:23
  lot
• 27:23
  more
• 27:23
  fun
• 27:24
  when
• 27:24
  I
• 27:24
  started,
• 27:24
  like,
• 27:25
  straying
• 27:25
  from.
• 27:26
  From
• 27:27
  designs
• 27:27
  and
• 27:28
  from
• 27:28
  the
• 27:29
  recipes
• 27:29
  and
• 27:29
  using
• 27:30
  new
• 27:30
  things
• 27:30
  and
• 27:31
  trying
• 27:31
  things
• 27:31
  out
• 27:32
  of
• 27:32
  and
• 27:33
  not
• 27:33
  being
• 27:34
  afraid
• 27:34
  to
• 27:34
  do
• 27:34
  that
• 27:35
  because
• 27:35
  you
• 27:35
  don't
• 27:35
  have
• 27:35
  to
• 27:36
  stick
• 27:36
  to
• 27:36
  exactly
• 27:37
  what's
• 27:37
  being
• 27:37
  called
• 27:38
  for.
• 27:40
  The
• 27:40
  second
• 27:40
  thing
• 27:41
  is
• 27:41
  something
• 27:41
  that
• 27:41
  I
• 27:42
  tell
• 27:42
  everybody
• 27:43
  whenever
• 27:43
  they
• 27:44
  come
• 27:44
  to
• 27:44
  any
• 27:44
  of
• 27:45
  my
• 27:45
  shows.
• 27:45
  And
• 27:45
  I'm
• 27:45
  tying
• 27:46
  up,
• 27:46
  especially
• 27:46
  if
• 27:46
  I'm
• 27:46
  tying
• 27:47
  up
• 27:47
  game
• 27:47
  changers
• 27:48
  and
• 27:48
  I'm
• 27:48
  using
• 27:49
  certain
• 27:50
  tools.
• 27:50
  But
• 27:51
  if
• 27:51
  you're
• 27:51
  going
• 27:51
  to
• 27:52
  mess
• 27:52
  with
• 27:53
  wire
• 27:53
  dubbing,
• 27:54
  brushes,
• 27:54
  anything
• 27:54
  like
• 27:55
  that,
• 27:55
  buy
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  pair
• 27:56
  of
• 27:57
  orthodontics
• 27:57
  flyers,
• 27:58
  orthodontics
• 27:58
  snips,
• 28:00
  and
• 28:00
  they
• 28:00
  are
• 28:00
  the
• 28:01
  best
• 28:01
  tool
• 28:02
  for
• 28:03
  $10
• 28:03
  that
• 28:03
  you'll
• 28:04
  ever
• 28:04
  get.
• 28:04
  I've
• 28:04
  tied
• 28:05
  thousands
• 28:05
  of
• 28:05
  game
• 28:06
  changers
• 28:06
  with
• 28:07
  the
• 28:07
  same
• 28:07
  stainless
• 28:08
  steel
• 28:08
  orthodontics
• 28:09
  snips,
• 28:10
  and
• 28:10
  they're
• 28:10
  better
• 28:10
  than
• 28:11
  the
• 28:11
  flushed
• 28:11
  wire
• 28:12
  cutters
• 28:12
  you
• 28:12
  can
• 28:12
  get
• 28:12
  at
• 28:12
  hardware
• 28:13
  stores,
• 28:14
  anything
• 28:14
  like
• 28:15
  that.
• 28:16
  They're
• 28:16
  probably
• 28:17
  my
• 28:18
  favorite
• 28:18
  tool
• 28:18
  that
• 28:19
  I
• 28:19
  found
• 28:19
  that
• 28:19
  doesn't
• 28:20
  come
• 28:20
  from
• 28:20
  a
• 28:20
  fly
• 28:20
  shop.
• 28:22
  Got
• 28:22
  it.
• 28:23
  And
• 28:23
  how
• 28:23
  about
• 28:23
  number
• 28:23
  three?
• 28:26
  Let
• 28:27
  me
• 28:27
  think.
• 28:27
  Uh,
• 28:28
  you
• 28:28
  know,
• 28:28
  the.
• 28:29
  The
• 28:29
  last
• 28:29
  one
• 28:30
  that
• 28:30
  I.
• 28:30
  That
• 28:30
  I
• 28:31
  really
• 28:31
  use
• 28:31
  a
• 28:32
  lot
• 28:32
  is
• 28:32
  learning
• 28:33
  to
• 28:33
  make
• 28:33
  your
• 28:33
  own
• 28:33
  shanks.
• 28:35
  It.
• 28:35
  It
• 28:36
  just
• 28:36
  is
• 28:36
  so
• 28:37
  helpful
• 28:37
  to
• 28:37
  be
• 28:37
  able
• 28:37
  to.
• 28:38
  To
• 28:39
  measure
• 28:39
  out
• 28:39
  to
• 28:40
  the
• 28:40
  millimeter
• 28:41
  how
• 28:41
  big
• 28:42
  I
• 28:42
  want
• 28:42
  a
• 28:42
  shank
• 28:42
  to
• 28:42
  be
• 28:43
  and
• 28:43
  then
• 28:43
  make
• 28:44
  it
• 28:44
  myself.
• 28:45
  So
• 28:45
  whether.
• 28:45
  Whether
• 28:46
  you're
• 28:46
  buying
• 28:46
  a
• 28:47
  wire
• 28:47
  bending
• 28:48
  jig
• 28:48
  or
• 28:48
  getting
• 28:49
  the,
• 28:49
  uh,
• 28:49
  there's
• 28:50
  a
• 28:50
  one
• 28:50
  step
• 28:50
  looper
• 28:51
  tool,
• 28:52
  and
• 28:52
  you
• 28:52
  can.
• 28:52
  You
• 28:52
  can
• 28:53
  bend
• 28:53
  stainless
• 28:53
  steel
• 28:53
  wire
• 28:54
  yourself.
• 28:56
  That's
• 28:56
  probably
• 28:57
  another
• 28:57
  of
• 28:57
  the
• 28:58
  biggest
• 28:58
  things
• 28:58
  that
• 28:58
  I
• 28:58
  use
• 28:59
  all
• 28:59
  the
• 28:59
  time.
• 29:00
  Got
• 29:01
  it.
• 29:01
  And
• 29:01
  I
• 29:01
  always
• 29:01
  like
• 29:02
  to
• 29:02
  ask,
• 29:02
  you
• 29:02
  know,
• 29:03
  serious
• 29:03
  tires.
• 29:03
  The
• 29:03
  other
• 29:03
  one
• 29:04
  is
• 29:04
  like,
• 29:04
  everybody's
• 29:05
  got
• 29:05
  some
• 29:05
  kind
• 29:05
  of
• 29:05
  squirrelly
• 29:06
  tool
• 29:07
  that
• 29:07
  may
• 29:08
  not
• 29:08
  even
• 29:08
  kind
• 29:08
  of
• 29:08
  officially
• 29:09
  be
• 29:09
  a
• 29:09
  tool
• 29:09
  that
• 29:09
  they
• 29:10
  can't
• 29:10
  live
• 29:10
  without.
• 29:10
  Do
• 29:10
  you
• 29:11
  have
• 29:11
  anything
• 29:11
  like
• 29:11
  that?
• 29:15
  You
• 29:16
  know,
• 29:18
  those
• 29:18
  orthodontics
• 29:19
  pliers
• 29:19
  are
• 29:19
  up
• 29:19
  there.
• 29:20
  I
• 29:21
  use
• 29:21
  those
• 29:21
  all
• 29:22
  the
• 29:22
  time,
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  I
• 29:23
  have
• 29:23
  multiple
• 29:23
  pairs
• 29:24
  in
• 29:24
  case
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  ever
• 29:24
  lose
• 29:25
  them.
• 29:26
  Let
• 29:26
  me
• 29:26
  think.
• 29:30
  I
• 29:30
  don't
• 29:30
  use
• 29:31
  too
• 29:31
  many.
• 29:31
  I
• 29:32
  don't
• 29:32
  use
• 29:32
  a
• 29:32
  lot
• 29:32
  of
• 29:32
  tools,
• 29:33
  honestly.
• 29:33
  Probably
• 29:34
  those
• 29:34
  one
• 29:34
  step
• 29:35
  looper,
• 29:35
  the
• 29:35
  wire
• 29:36
  benders.
• 29:36
  I
• 29:36
  use
• 29:37
  those
• 29:37
  a
• 29:37
  lot.
• 29:37
  So
• 29:38
  that's
• 29:38
  probably
• 29:39
  the
• 29:39
  one.
• 29:39
  If
• 29:40
  it
• 29:40
  broke,
• 29:41
  I
• 29:41
  would
• 29:41
  have
• 29:42
  to
• 29:42
  order
• 29:42
  a
• 29:42
  new
• 29:42
  one
• 29:42
  that
• 29:43
  same
• 29:43
  day.
• 29:44
  Got
• 29:45
  it.
• 29:45
  And,
• 29:45
  you
• 29:45
  know,
• 29:46
  are
• 29:46
  there.
• 29:46
  Are
• 29:47
  there
• 29:47
  any
• 29:47
  projects
• 29:47
  you're
• 29:48
  working
• 29:48
  on
• 29:48
  you'd
• 29:48
  like
• 29:48
  to
• 29:48
  share
• 29:48
  with
• 29:49
  our
• 29:49
  listeners?
• 29:52
  Yeah,
• 29:52
  you
• 29:52
  know,
• 29:52
  I've
• 29:53
  got.
• 29:54
  I've
• 29:54
  got
• 29:54
  several
• 29:55
  patterns
• 29:55
  coming
• 29:55
  out
• 29:56
  with
• 29:56
  Montana
• 29:57
  Fly
• 29:57
  company
• 29:58
  that
• 29:58
  I'm
• 29:59
  excited
• 29:59
  about.
• 29:59
  We've
• 29:59
  been
• 29:59
  working
• 30:00
  on
• 30:00
  those
• 30:00
  for
• 30:00
  a
• 30:00
  long
• 30:01
  time,
• 30:01
  and
• 30:03
  they'll
• 30:04
  be
• 30:04
  hopefully
• 30:05
  here
• 30:06
  pretty
• 30:06
  soon
• 30:06
  and
• 30:07
  finalized
• 30:07
  and
• 30:07
  everything.
• 30:08
  So
• 30:08
  I'm
• 30:08
  excited
• 30:08
  about
• 30:09
  that.
• 30:09
  I'm
• 30:10
  really
• 30:10
  excited
• 30:10
  to
• 30:10
  be
• 30:11
  working
• 30:11
  with
• 30:11
  Blaine
• 30:12
  with
• 30:12
  the
• 30:12
  chocolate
• 30:13
  factory
• 30:13
  stuff.
• 30:14
  I've
• 30:14
  stopped
• 30:15
  selling
• 30:15
  game
• 30:15
  changers
• 30:16
  because
• 30:17
  he's
• 30:17
  finally
• 30:18
  selling
• 30:19
  them
• 30:19
  himself,
• 30:20
  and
• 30:20
  he's
• 30:20
  the
• 30:21
  original
• 30:21
  designer,
• 30:22
  so
• 30:22
  I
• 30:22
  strongly
• 30:23
  believe
• 30:23
  that
• 30:24
  he
• 30:24
  should
• 30:24
  be
• 30:24
  getting
• 30:25
  royalties
• 30:27
  from
• 30:27
  that
• 30:27
  pattern.
• 30:28
  And
• 30:28
  so
• 30:29
  it's
• 30:29
  unfortunate
• 30:30
  to
• 30:30
  see
• 30:30
  all
• 30:30
  these
• 30:30
  other
• 30:31
  companies
• 30:31
  selling
• 30:32
  game
• 30:32
  changers,
• 30:32
  but
• 30:35
  no
• 30:35
  royalties
• 30:36
  going
• 30:36
  to
• 30:36
  him
• 30:37
  anyway.
• 30:38
  I
• 30:38
  can
• 30:39
  push
• 30:39
  people
• 30:40
  towards
• 30:40
  that,
• 30:41
  I
• 30:41
  do.
• 30:42
  But
• 30:43
  I'm
• 30:43
  also.
• 30:44
  I'm
• 30:44
  super
• 30:44
  excited
• 30:44
  that
• 30:45
  he's
• 30:45
  going
• 30:45
  to
• 30:45
  be
• 30:45
  making
• 30:46
  one
• 30:46
  of
• 30:46
  my
• 30:46
  flies
• 30:47
  with
• 30:47
  that
• 30:47
  frog.
• 30:48
  So,
• 30:49
  hopefully
• 30:49
  that'll
• 30:50
  be
• 30:50
  this
• 30:51
  next
• 30:51
  year,
• 30:51
  and
• 30:52
  that'll
• 30:52
  be
• 30:52
  really
• 30:52
  cool.
• 30:54
  Other
• 30:54
  than
• 30:55
  that,
• 30:55
  I've
• 30:55
  got.
• 30:57
  I've
• 30:57
  got
• 30:57
  a
• 30:58
  new
• 30:58
  hook
• 30:58
  that's.
• 30:59
  That
• 31:00
  I'm
• 31:00
  putting
• 31:00
  on
• 31:01
  the
• 31:01
  spiral
• 31:01
  spook
• 31:02
  that
• 31:02
  has
• 31:02
  made
• 31:03
  the
• 31:03
  hookup
• 31:03
  ratio
• 31:04
  probably
• 31:05
  five
• 31:06
  or
• 31:06
  six
• 31:06
  times
• 31:07
  better
• 31:08
  because
• 31:08
  I
• 31:09
  spent
• 31:09
  a
• 31:09
  lot
• 31:09
  of
• 31:09
  time
• 31:10
  watching
• 31:11
  bass
• 31:11
  eat
• 31:11
  it
• 31:11
  and
• 31:12
  seeing
• 31:12
  why
• 31:12
  they
• 31:13
  didn't
• 31:13
  get
• 31:13
  hooked,
• 31:14
  and
• 31:14
  so
• 31:15
  I've
• 31:15
  made
• 31:15
  a
• 31:16
  switch
• 31:16
  on
• 31:16
  that,
• 31:16
  and
• 31:16
  I'm
• 31:17
  finally
• 31:18
  finishing
• 31:18
  up
• 31:19
  rebalancing
• 31:22
  all
• 31:22
  the
• 31:22
  different
• 31:23
  sizes
• 31:23
  of
• 31:23
  the
• 31:23
  spoops
• 31:24
  and
• 31:24
  getting
• 31:25
  the
• 31:25
  new
• 31:25
  hook
• 31:26
  source
• 31:26
  and
• 31:26
  everything
• 31:27
  like
• 31:27
  that,
• 31:27
  and
• 31:28
  they'll
• 31:28
  be
• 31:29
  way
• 31:29
  better.
• 31:29
  So
• 31:30
  pretty
• 31:30
  soon,
• 31:31
  I'll
• 31:31
  be
• 31:31
  back
• 31:31
  in
• 31:31
  production
• 31:32
  on
• 31:32
  those.
• 31:33
  Got
• 31:34
  it.
• 31:34
  And
• 31:34
  is
• 31:34
  that
• 31:34
  a
• 31:35
  hook
• 31:35
  that's
• 31:35
  going
• 31:35
  to
• 31:35
  be
• 31:36
  available
• 31:36
  to
• 31:36
  everybody
• 31:37
  else,
• 31:37
  or
• 31:37
  is
• 31:37
  that
• 31:37
  just
• 31:37
  something
• 31:38
  just
• 31:38
  for
• 31:38
  you?
• 31:38
  Oh,
• 31:39
  it's
• 31:40
  already
• 31:40
  a
• 31:41
  hook
• 31:41
  that's
• 31:42
  out
• 31:42
  there.
• 31:42
  It's
• 31:42
  a
• 31:43
  gamma
• 31:43
  katsu
• 31:44
  finesse
• 31:45
  wide
• 31:45
  gap
• 31:45
  hook.
• 31:46
  It
• 31:46
  just
• 31:47
  has
• 31:48
  an
• 31:48
  upturn
• 31:48
  point
• 31:49
  that
• 31:50
  works
• 31:51
  way
• 31:52
  better
• 31:52
  than
• 31:52
  the
• 31:52
  one
• 31:52
  that
• 31:52
  I
• 31:53
  had.
• 31:54
  The
• 31:54
  other
• 31:54
  hook
• 31:54
  is
• 31:55
  an
• 31:55
  a
• 31:55
  rex
• 31:55
  hook,
• 31:55
  and
• 31:55
  it's
• 31:56
  great,
• 31:56
  just
• 31:56
  not
• 31:57
  for
• 31:57
  this
• 31:57
  application.
• 31:58
  So
• 32:00
  switching
• 32:01
  to
• 32:01
  that
• 32:01
  is
• 32:02
  that
• 32:02
  other
• 32:02
  hook
• 32:03
  has
• 32:03
  made
• 32:03
  a
• 32:03
  huge
• 32:04
  difference.
• 32:05
  Got
• 32:05
  it.
• 32:06
  And
• 32:06
  so
• 32:06
  folks
• 32:06
  want
• 32:06
  to
• 32:07
  check
• 32:07
  out
• 32:07
  your
• 32:07
  flies
• 32:08
  and
• 32:08
  purchase
• 32:08
  a
• 32:08
  few.
• 32:09
  Where
• 32:09
  should
• 32:09
  they
• 32:09
  go?
• 32:11
  Yeah,
• 32:11
  they
• 32:12
  can
• 32:12
  go
• 32:12
  to
• 32:12
  my
• 32:13
  website,
• 32:13
  ww
• 32:14
  dot
• 32:14
  fishchaseflies.com,
• 32:17
  and
• 32:18
  they
• 32:18
  can
• 32:19
  also
• 32:19
  go
• 32:20
  to
• 32:20
  my
• 32:20
  Instagram,
• 32:21
  which
• 32:21
  is
• 32:21
  fishchaseflies.
• 32:23
  And
• 32:23
  that's
• 32:24
  typically
• 32:24
  all
• 32:25
  my
• 32:25
  stuff
• 32:25
  is
• 32:25
  either
• 32:26
  on
• 32:26
  my
• 32:26
  website
• 32:27
  or
• 32:27
  coming
• 32:27
  out
• 32:27
  on
• 32:28
  my
• 32:28
  instagram.
• 32:30
  There's
• 32:31
  quite
• 32:31
  a
• 32:31
  few
• 32:31
  fly
• 32:32
  shops
• 32:32
  that
• 32:32
  have
• 32:33
  this
• 32:33
  groups,
• 32:33
  and
• 32:34
  pretty
• 32:34
  soon
• 32:34
  there'll
• 32:35
  be
• 32:35
  a
• 32:35
  lot
• 32:35
  more
• 32:36
  once
• 32:36
  I
• 32:36
  get
• 32:36
  back
• 32:37
  into
• 32:37
  the
• 32:37
  slinger
• 32:37
  producing
• 32:38
  them
• 32:38
  again.
• 32:39
  Got
• 32:40
  it.
• 32:40
  Cause
• 32:40
  I
• 32:40
  know
• 32:40
  you've
• 32:40
  got.
• 32:41
  I
• 32:41
  know
• 32:41
  your
• 32:41
  favorite
• 32:41
  fly
• 32:42
  shop
• 32:42
  in
• 32:42
  Austin
• 32:42
  has
• 32:43
  them
• 32:43
  for
• 32:43
  sure,
• 32:43
  right?
• 32:45
  Oh,
• 32:45
  yes.
• 32:46
  Yeah,
• 32:46
  they've
• 32:46
  got
• 32:47
  a
• 32:47
  bunch
• 32:47
  of
• 32:47
  them.
• 32:48
  Yeah.
• 32:49
  And
• 32:49
  so
• 32:50
  is
• 32:50
  there
• 32:50
  anything
• 32:50
  else
• 32:51
  you'd
• 32:51
  like
• 32:51
  to
• 32:51
  share
• 32:51
  with
• 32:51
  our
• 32:51
  listeners
• 32:52
  before
• 32:52
  I
• 32:52
  let
• 32:52
  you
• 32:52
  go
• 32:52
  this
• 32:53
  evening.
• 32:55
  You
• 32:56
  know,
• 32:57
  I
• 32:57
  can't
• 32:57
  think
• 32:58
  of
• 32:58
  much
• 32:58
  off
• 32:58
  the
• 32:58
  top
• 32:59
  of
• 32:59
  my
• 32:59
  head.
• 32:59
  Just,
• 33:01
  you
• 33:01
  know,
• 33:01
  I'm
• 33:01
  always
• 33:02
  trying
• 33:02
  to
• 33:02
  get
• 33:02
  out
• 33:03
  there
• 33:03
  and
• 33:03
  film
• 33:03
  and
• 33:03
  hopefully
• 33:04
  pretty
• 33:04
  soon
• 33:04
  I'll
• 33:05
  have
• 33:05
  a
• 33:05
  bunch
• 33:05
  of
• 33:06
  top
• 33:06
  water
• 33:06
  stuff
• 33:07
  for
• 33:07
  that,
• 33:07
  that
• 33:07
  frog
• 33:08
  and
• 33:08
  spook.
• 33:08
  And
• 33:09
  I've
• 33:09
  been
• 33:10
  trying
• 33:11
  not
• 33:11
  to
• 33:11
  put
• 33:12
  as
• 33:12
  much
• 33:12
  on
• 33:12
  Instagram
• 33:13
  lately
• 33:14
  just
• 33:14
  because
• 33:14
  I've
• 33:15
  been
• 33:15
  redesigning
• 33:16
  the
• 33:16
  spoop
• 33:16
  with
• 33:16
  a
• 33:16
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• 33:17
  hook
• 33:17
  and
• 33:17
  everything.
• 33:17
  And
• 33:20
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• 33:21
  pretty
• 33:21
  soon
• 33:21
  I'll
• 33:21
  have.
• 33:22
  I've
• 33:22
  been
• 33:22
  taking
• 33:22
  a
• 33:22
  bunch
• 33:23
  of
• 33:23
  footage
• 33:23
  and
• 33:24
  you
• 33:25
  can
• 33:25
  see
• 33:25
  it
• 33:25
  all
• 33:25
  on
• 33:26
  my
• 33:26
  instagram
• 33:26
  once
• 33:26
  I
• 33:27
  get
• 33:27
  it
• 33:27
  all
• 33:28
  put
• 33:28
  out
• 33:28
  there,
• 33:28
  but
• 33:29
  that'll
• 33:29
  all
• 33:29
  start
• 33:30
  ramping
• 33:30
  back
• 33:30
  up
• 33:30
  pretty
• 33:31
  soon.
• 33:32
  Got
• 33:32
  it.
• 33:32
  And
• 33:33
  if
• 33:33
  folks
• 33:33
  want
• 33:33
  to
• 33:33
  find
• 33:34
  you
• 33:34
  on
• 33:34
  the
• 33:35
  show
• 33:35
  circuit
• 33:35
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• 33:35
  2025,
• 33:36
  you
• 33:36
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• 33:36
  any
• 33:36
  shows
• 33:37
  on
• 33:37
  the
• 33:37
  calendar?
• 33:39
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• 33:39
  always
• 33:39
  be
• 33:40
  at
• 33:40
  trout
• 33:40
  fest
• 33:42
  here
• 33:43
  in
• 33:43
  Texas.
• 33:43
  They
• 33:43
  do
• 33:44
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• 33:44
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• 33:45
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• 33:45
  on
• 33:45
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• 33:45
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• 33:47
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• 33:47
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• 33:48
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• 33:48
  all
• 33:48
  those
• 33:48
  other
• 33:48
  places.
• 33:49
  Uh,
• 33:49
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• 33:49
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• 33:50
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• 33:50
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• 33:52
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• 33:52
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• 33:53
  at
• 33:53
  a.
• 33:54
  There's
• 33:54
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• 33:54
  couple
• 33:55
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• 33:55
  local
• 33:55
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• 33:56
  shows
• 33:56
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• 33:56
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• 33:57
  do.
• 33:57
  I'm
• 33:58
  not
• 33:58
  sure
• 33:58
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• 33:58
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• 33:59
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• 33:59
  back
• 33:59
  up
• 33:59
  to,
• 34:00
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• 34:01
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• 34:02
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• 34:02
  uh,
• 34:02
  Schultz
• 34:03
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• 34:03
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• 34:04
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• 34:04
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• 34:04
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• 34:04
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• 34:05
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• 34:05
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• 34:06
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• 34:07
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• 34:07
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• 34:07
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• 34:07
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• 34:08
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• 34:08
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• 34:08
  anything
• 34:08
  quite
• 34:09
  planned.
• 34:09
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• 34:09
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• 34:09
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• 34:10
  you
• 34:10
  know,
• 34:10
  two
• 34:11
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• 34:11
  kids
• 34:11
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• 34:11
  home,
• 34:12
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• 34:12
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• 34:13
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• 34:13
  lot
• 34:13
  of
• 34:13
  my
• 34:13
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• 34:13
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• 34:13
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• 34:14
  limited.
• 34:15
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• 34:15
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• 34:15
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• 34:15
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• 34:16
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• 34:16
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• 34:16
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• 34:16
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• 34:16
  that.
• 34:17
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• 34:17
  uh,
• 34:17
  you
• 34:18
  know,
• 34:18
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• 34:18
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• 34:18
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• 34:18
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• 34:19
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• 34:19
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• 34:19
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• 34:20
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• 34:20
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• 34:20
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• 34:21
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• 34:21
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• 34:21
  I
• 34:22
  guess,
• 34:22
  is
• 34:22
  the
• 34:22
  easiest
• 34:22
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• 34:22
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• 34:23
  say
• 34:23
  it.
• 34:24
  Absolutely.
• 34:25
  Yeah.
• 34:25
  Yeah.
• 34:26
  And
• 34:26
  so
• 34:27
  if
• 34:27
  folks
• 34:27
  want
• 34:28
  to
• 34:28
  follow
• 34:28
  your
• 34:28
  adventures
• 34:29
  at
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  viceroy
• 34:29
  on
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  water,
• 34:30
  where
• 34:30
  should
• 34:30
  they
• 34:30
  go?
• 34:32
  Uh,
• 34:33
  following
• 34:33
  my
• 34:33
  instagram
• 34:34
  is
• 34:34
  the.
• 34:34
  The
• 34:34
  best
• 34:35
  way.
• 34:35
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• 34:35
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• 34:36
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• 34:36
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• 34:37
  on
• 34:37
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• 34:38
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• 34:38
  That's
• 34:38
  where
• 34:38
  I
• 34:39
  post
• 34:39
  everything
• 34:40
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• 34:40
  put
• 34:41
  all
• 34:41
  my
• 34:41
  videos.
• 34:42
  And
• 34:42
  I
• 34:42
  do
• 34:42
  have
• 34:43
  a
• 34:43
  bunch
• 34:43
  on
• 34:44
  YouTube
• 34:45
  tutorials
• 34:46
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• 34:46
  stuff
• 34:46
  like
• 34:47
  that.
• 34:47
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• 34:48
  I'm
• 34:48
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• 34:48
  sure
• 34:48
  it's
• 34:48
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• 34:49
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• 34:49
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• 34:49
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• 34:50
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• 34:50
  YouTube
• 34:50
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• 34:50
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• 34:51
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• 34:52
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• 34:52
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• 34:52
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• 34:52
  the
• 34:52
  two
• 34:52
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• 34:53
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• 34:53
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• 34:53
  pictures
• 34:54
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• 34:54
  videos.
• 34:55
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• 34:55
  then
• 34:55
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• 34:55
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• 34:56
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• 34:56
  buy
• 34:56
  the
• 34:56
  flies
• 34:57
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• 34:57
  my
• 34:57
  website.
• 34:58
  Got
• 34:59
  it.
• 34:59
  And
• 34:59
  I'll
• 34:59
  drop
• 34:59
  all
• 34:59
  that
• 35:00
  stuff
• 35:00
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• 35:00
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• 35:00
  show
• 35:00
  notes
• 35:01
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• 35:01
  you.
• 35:02
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• 35:03
  Yeah.
• 35:03
  Well,
• 35:04
  listen,
• 35:04
  Chase,
• 35:04
  I
• 35:04
  appreciate
• 35:05
  you
• 35:05
  spending
• 35:05
  some
• 35:05
  time
• 35:05
  with
• 35:05
  me
• 35:06
  this
• 35:06
  evening.
• 35:06
  It's
• 35:06
  been
• 35:06
  a
• 35:06
  lot
• 35:06
  of
• 35:07
  fun.
• 35:08
  Of
• 35:08
  course,
• 35:08
  yeah.
• 35:09
  Thank
• 35:09
  you
• 35:09
  so
• 35:09
  much.
• 35:10
  Have
• 35:10
  a
• 35:10
  great
• 35:10
  one.
• 35:11
  You
• 35:12
  too.
• 35:13
  Well,
• 35:13
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• 35:14
  we
• 35:14
  hope
• 35:14
  you
• 35:14
  enjoyed
• 35:15
  the
• 35:15
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• 35:15
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• 35:15
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• 35:15
  as
• 35:16
  we
• 35:16
  enjoyed
• 35:16
  bringing
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• 35:16
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