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Baby ripped from young mom’s womb after mom is lured by Facebook baby chat and two other woman vanish in Chicago · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nineteen year old Marlin Ochoa
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  Speaker 1: was nine months pregnant when she went missing. Hours later
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  Speaker 1: that same day, a forty six year old woman came
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  Speaker 1: running out of her home here claiming that she had
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  Speaker 1: just given birth to a baby boy and he wasn't breathing.
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  Speaker 1: The baby was rushed to christ and he remains there
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  Speaker 1: in intensive care. The family has since determined Marline came
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  Speaker 1: to the home on seventy seventh Place to swap items
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  Speaker 1: arranged through a Facebook group called Help a Sister Out.
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  Speaker 1: The older woman claimed to have a stroller and other items.
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  Speaker 1: She was giving clothes away, supposedly under the pretenses that
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  Speaker 1: her daughters had been giving clothes as they had all
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  Speaker 1: these extra boy clothes and that's what the false pretenses
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  Speaker 1: that I believe let her to that house, neighbors say.
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  Speaker 1: The people being questioned include the four six year old woman,
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  Speaker 1: her boyfriend, her daughter, and a man in his twenties.
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  Speaker 1: They were also surprised by an alleged birth, since no
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  Speaker 1: one knew of a pregnancy. The Facebook group Marlin used
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  Speaker 1: is said to be shut down. A member says she
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  Speaker 1: had talked with others about taking precautions when making exchanges.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go on strangers houses. Always bring somebody with you. No.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's making people more aware. We're hopeful. We
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  Speaker 1: have faith been preparing for the worst. A pregnant mom
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  Speaker 1: we believe, strangled dead, her baby cut from her womb
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  Speaker 1: after she's lured to a home by a woman she
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  Speaker 1: meets on Facebook. I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You were hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friend at WGN nine, Nancy Lou reporting on the disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of Marlin Ochoa. Take a listen to this. The Medical
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  Speaker 1: Examiner's office tells me they are examining remains recovered from
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  Speaker 1: this property yesterday and an autopsy is pending. Relatives of
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  Speaker 1: Marline Ochoa are awaiting positive identification, but they fear it
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  Speaker 1: is likely her. The family says Marlin was luwered here
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  Speaker 1: after using a Facebook group to set up an exchange
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  Speaker 1: of baby goods. Police are still questioning the four people
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  Speaker 1: who were taken into custody yesterday from the home on
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  Speaker 1: West seventy seventh Place. Neighbors say there was considerable activity overnight,
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  Speaker 1: with detectives removing massive amounts of evidence, and there was
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  Speaker 1: an apparent focus on the backyard and possibly the basement. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: you're hearing from wg in nine reporter Nancy lou This
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  Speaker 1: gorgeous young mother strangled dead. We believe her baby cut
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  Speaker 1: from her womb. It's almost too much to take. In
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  Speaker 1: joining me an all Star panel, Troyce Layton were now
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  Speaker 1: in California. Defense lawyer Stephen lamp A detective as Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Lampley dot com, doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst from Hollywood at
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Allen Claurin Crime Online dot com,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter and medical examiner, Doctor Chris Sperry. Doctor Sperry,
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  Speaker 1: the woman, and may I just point out that she's
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  Speaker 1: one of three women we're talking about. But this woman
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  Speaker 1: strangled dead and her baby cut from her womb? Have
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  Speaker 1: you ever seen anything like it before? Doctor Sperry, us,
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  Speaker 1: I have. I have seen several cases identical to this.
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  Speaker 1: They're rare, but not vanishingly rare, and they're honors of
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  Speaker 1: the setting of another woman who wants a baby. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: she has accomplices, but the pregnant woman is kidnapped or
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  Speaker 1: nerred in subway and then strangled, sometimes to just to
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  Speaker 1: a point of unconsciousness, but sometimes she strangled dead when
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  Speaker 1: the baby's cut out of her. And one memorable case
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  Speaker 1: that I had was just like this, where a woman
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  Speaker 1: who was not pregnant but wanted a baby kidnapped a
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  Speaker 1: pregnant woman from the obstetric clinic where she had just
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  Speaker 1: visited and strangled her with a strap and then cut
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  Speaker 1: the baby out with a set of car keys. And
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  Speaker 1: the baby was fine. The baby is now a young
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  Speaker 1: woman in her twenties, but the pregnant woman led to
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  Speaker 1: death after having her baby cut out with car keys. Well,
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  Speaker 1: in the famous words of Oscar Wild, be careful what
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  Speaker 1: you ask, my dear, for you will surely get it.
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  Speaker 1: When I asked you, had you ever seen anything like
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  Speaker 1: this before? I certainly did not expect to hear that
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  Speaker 1: about the car keys and the bleeding and the Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Ellen Coloria, let me get away from doctor Chris Berry
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  Speaker 1: for just one moment. And although I can't get the
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  Speaker 1: image out of my mind that he just described, Ellen
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  Speaker 1: ka Lauren Crime online dot com investigative reporter where you
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  Speaker 1: can find this and all other breaking crime and justice news,
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  Speaker 1: let's just start at the beginning. I want to talk
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  Speaker 1: about Marlin. Nancy Marlin went missing. She was in her
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  Speaker 1: ninth month of pregnancy, just before her due date that
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  Speaker 1: her family has been desperately searching. Unfortunately, in the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of days, the investigation has has turned into a
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  Speaker 1: homicide investigation after human remains were found on a property
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  Speaker 1: where Marlin is believed to have gone on the day
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  Speaker 1: that she went missing. She hold on just a moment,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, just a moment, the location where she went
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  Speaker 1: the day she went missing. Take a listen to WGN
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  Speaker 1: nine reporter Dana Rebick. We now know that the vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: the car matching the description of this missing pilson, pregnantine,
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  Speaker 1: was found on this very street six days ago. Police
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  Speaker 1: are now questioning the woman who lives in this home
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  Speaker 1: behind me. Neighbors tell us she was not pregnant, but
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  Speaker 1: she did call nine one one two weeks ago to
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  Speaker 1: report that she had just had a baby seventy seventh
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  Speaker 1: Please please, the caller gave birth ten minutes ago, forty
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  Speaker 1: six years of age. The baby is a breathing baby,
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  Speaker 1: is pale and blue. They're doing CPR. At six to
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  Speaker 1: eleven PM on April twenty third, just three hours after
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  Speaker 1: missing pregnant nineteen year old Marlin Ochoa was last seen
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  Speaker 1: in Pilson. A woman calls nine to one one claiming
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  Speaker 1: she just gave birth. Neighbors saw her come outside screaming.
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  Speaker 1: She just said that she came out, Oh, I had
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  Speaker 1: my baby. I had my baby, and then she was
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  Speaker 1: just bloody from waist up. I mean, I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was strange that she was so old and pregnant. She
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  Speaker 1: said the baby was at the hospital because she headed
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  Speaker 1: at home. So they took it to the hospital and
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  Speaker 1: they had some type of goal finally where they waste
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  Speaker 1: money for the kid's good gravy. So I'm just thinking
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  Speaker 1: about luring a mom to a home claiming you're selling
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  Speaker 1: used baby clothing, and that is exactly what doctor Chris
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  Speaker 1: Sperry said happened in previous cases he had been working
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. We need a shrink because I wanted
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  Speaker 1: a family. I did, but I went years and years
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  Speaker 1: and years thinking that would never happen. The thought of
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  Speaker 1: taking stealing somebody else's baby, much less kidnaping, kidnapping, and
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  Speaker 1: hurting a pregnant mom would never even cross my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Where do those thoughts come from? The Nancy. There is
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  Speaker 1: a very specific profile of a woman who does this.
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  Speaker 1: Usually she has something called pseudosiesis. Pseudosiesis is when a
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  Speaker 1: woman imagines a false pregnancy, even if there's no baby bump.
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  Speaker 1: Usually she will become obsessed, preoccupied with with the thought
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  Speaker 1: of having a baby of her own, so much so
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  Speaker 1: that she tells everybody about it. She might even throw
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  Speaker 1: her own baby shower. Usually these women are in their
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  Speaker 1: late thirties early forties, very rare for them to have
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  Speaker 1: families or even a boyfriend. Often there's all kinds of
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  Speaker 1: story holes. They talk about being pregnant or having had
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  Speaker 1: a boyfriend, and yet there's no boyfriend around, there's no
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  Speaker 1: signs of pregnancy. They turn homicidal, they do Laura woman.
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  Speaker 1: They often, as doctor Sperry was talking about, they will
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  Speaker 1: actually cut the baby out of the pregnant woman's belly,
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  Speaker 1: and then they imagine that society will accept the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Even though there's so many story holes, and you've used
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  Speaker 1: the word evil so many times on this show, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: this is evil. This is evil in this purest form.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, officials confirming those human remains
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  Speaker 1: that were found where those of Marlin Ochoa. Right now,
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  Speaker 1: police are conducting a search of the property behind me.
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  Speaker 1: Their attention seems focused on a fire pit area in
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  Speaker 1: the backyard. Today a stunning twist and the mysterious disappearance
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  Speaker 1: of Marlin Ochoa. Relatives say her newborn baby is in
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  Speaker 1: critical condition at christ Hospital in Oaklawn, that detectives went
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  Speaker 1: to see the baby get the DNA testing and confirmed
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  Speaker 1: that dead as Marlin's baby, and late today tragic word
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  Speaker 1: the medical examiner confirming Ochoa's dead through human remains discovered
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  Speaker 1: near this home where yesterday four people were taken away
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  Speaker 1: from questioning. One of them. According to neighbors, a woman
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  Speaker 1: in her forties who on April twenty third, the day
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  Speaker 1: Ochoa disappeared, was seen outside holding a baby up in
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  Speaker 1: a towel. You were hearing her friend, an ABC seven
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  Speaker 1: eyewitness knee is Eric Horne. But that's not all. Relatives
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  Speaker 1: say Ochoa's car was found near the home last week,
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  Speaker 1: and they say social media posts suggests Ochoa and that
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  Speaker 1: woman who's now being questioned had met on a Facebook
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  Speaker 1: chat group for mother's Her daughters had been giving clothes.
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  Speaker 1: They had all these extra boy clothes and that's where
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  Speaker 1: the false Pizen says that I believe led her to
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  Speaker 1: to that house. This woman, who didn't want to be identified, said,
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  Speaker 1: the woman from the house used to babysit her infant
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  Speaker 1: until she began acting strangely. She told me how she
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  Speaker 1: was getting really attached to the baby, how she know
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  Speaker 1: she couldn't wait to be a mom again. She said
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  Speaker 1: that she needed money because she was having a new baby.
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  Speaker 1: She told me she was doing me. Ochoa's relatives say
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  Speaker 1: her baby boy, who's been named Yadell, continues to fight
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  Speaker 1: for his life. The medical examiner says Ochoa's death has
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  Speaker 1: been ruled a homicide by strangulation. I'm not quite sure
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  Speaker 1: how you would even go about taking a baby be
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  Speaker 1: out of a woman's tummy, And of course you heard
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  Speaker 1: Sperry describing it being done when they set off car keys.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now, Stephen Lampley detective, You can find
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  Speaker 1: him at Stephen Lampley dot com. Stephen Lampley, Um, you
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  Speaker 1: know when you hear about a body near a fire
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  Speaker 1: pit in any attempt to burn a body, that's very
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  Speaker 1: hard to do and leaves behind evidence. Stephen Lampley, what
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  Speaker 1: would you be looking for on this scene? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we already know one woman was seen holding a baby
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  Speaker 1: in a towel. I believe I would start with her
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  Speaker 1: lampley of course, so you're going to start with with
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  Speaker 1: with her and talk to her and been based on again,
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  Speaker 1: based on what I know, it seemed like that they
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  Speaker 1: would be able to get a search one fairly easily,
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  Speaker 1: which of course they did, and they found, of course
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  Speaker 1: the body. And then your right. It is very very
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  Speaker 1: very difficult to burn human body, even in a in
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  Speaker 1: a tudal home. The temperature has to be so incredibly
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  Speaker 1: hot for an extended period of time in order to
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  Speaker 1: do that. It's virtually impossible on Layman's level to burn
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  Speaker 1: a body beyond recognition where it can't be discovered of
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  Speaker 1: who it was by DNA. Take a listen to Erfred
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  Speaker 1: at WGN. Nancy Loo Marlin Ochoa was nine months pregnant
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  Speaker 1: when she went missing on April twenty third. Hours later
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  Speaker 1: that same day, a forty six year old woman came
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  Speaker 1: running out of her home here claiming that she had
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  Speaker 1: just given birth to a baby boy and he wasn't breathing.
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  Speaker 1: The baby was rushed to christ and he remains there
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  Speaker 1: in intensive care. The family has since determined Marline came
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  Speaker 1: to the home on seventy seventh Place to swap items
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  Speaker 1: arranged through a Facebook group called Help a Sister Out.
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  Speaker 1: The older woman claimed to have us stroller and other
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  Speaker 1: items she was giving close away, supposedly under the pretenses
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  Speaker 1: that her daughters had had been given clothes and they
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  Speaker 1: had all these extra boy clothes and that's what the
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  Speaker 1: false pretenses that I believe led her too to that house,
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  Speaker 1: neighbors say. The people being questioned include the forty six
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  Speaker 1: year old woman, her boyfriend, her daughter, and a man
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  Speaker 1: in his twenties. They were also surprised by an alleged birth,
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  Speaker 1: since no one knew of a pregnancy. The Facebook group
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  Speaker 1: Marlin used is said to be shut down. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to take all of this in as it
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  Speaker 1: relates back to the missing mom then discovered dead. To
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  Speaker 1: ellen Ka Laurin Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter, what
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  Speaker 1: was the cause of death for Marlin? They answer the
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  Speaker 1: cause of death with ligature strangulation, Doctor Sperry. What's the
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  Speaker 1: difference between ligature and manual strangulation or asphyxiation? And how
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  Speaker 1: can you tell the difference? Is something like a cord
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  Speaker 1: or a strap or a wire or rope is placed
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  Speaker 1: around the neck and pulled tight so that there's a
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  Speaker 1: pressure all around the entire circumference of the neck, and
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  Speaker 1: this almost irish leaves a mark behind that can sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's so specific you could even tell what was used
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  Speaker 1: to strangle the person. Ammonual stagulation is a stagulation where
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  Speaker 1: the hands are used, the fingers and the thumbs and
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  Speaker 1: the hands. The hands are grasped on the neck, and
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  Speaker 1: there are lots of bruises and straits, but there's not
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  Speaker 1: a particular pattern. That's just Asphyxia alone means lack of oxygen,
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  Speaker 1: so stagulation is a type of asphyxia. But putting a
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  Speaker 1: plastic bag overhere someone's head is also a type of
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  Speaker 1: asphyxia as well, And generally you could tell the difference
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  Speaker 1: between these types of injuries by the trauma that's left
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  Speaker 1: behind on the neck itself inside. She died of ligature strangulation,
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  Speaker 1: Ellen Colauren. What more do we know about her injuries?
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  Speaker 1: We know that she is believed to have been lured
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  Speaker 1: into a basement where she was likely murdered before the
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  Speaker 1: baby was cut from her body, and human remains were
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  Speaker 1: found in a garbage can on the property. The human
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  Speaker 1: remains were in a garbage can. Are you telling me
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  Speaker 1: that that would be Marlin, the mom. Her body was
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  Speaker 1: in a garbage can. That is what we think now, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: had she been burned? AKA? All right, We don't have
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  Speaker 1: any information at this time that she that her body
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  Speaker 1: was burned, but we do know that investigators were looking
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  Speaker 1: at a fire pit area at the hall. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure something out, doctor Chris Berry. According
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  Speaker 1: to Ellen Colauren, a Crimal line, the mom Marlin was
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  Speaker 1: strangled first before the baby was taken out of her stomach. Now,
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  Speaker 1: number one, how could a medical examine her determine that
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  Speaker 1: sequence of events? And number two would that explain why
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  Speaker 1: the baby was blue? Because if the mom dies and
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  Speaker 1: the baby is still in utero, it wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 1: to breathe. Well, it wouldn't. But usually what happens is
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  Speaker 1: that we'll say in this case, where it appears of
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  Speaker 1: ligature was used. This is common because it implies that
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  Speaker 1: the ruler and the pregnant woman in the schoo was
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  Speaker 1: taken by surprise, that she was luded to a basement,
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  Speaker 1: and then someone suddenly puts a rope or a strap
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  Speaker 1: around her neck and began to strangle her. Now, when
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  Speaker 1: that happens, it takes about somewhere between at least three
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  Speaker 1: to four minutes before the person will die. And but
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  Speaker 1: the but the woman she would be unconscious, was then
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  Speaker 1: probably about a minute or so. So there's a window
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  Speaker 1: of time where once she is unconscious, as long as
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  Speaker 1: the pressure is still continued on her neck, so stay unconscious,
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  Speaker 1: that she won't be able to resist when the baby
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  Speaker 1: is cut from her stomach. So with this narrow lender
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  Speaker 1: of time, it is definitely possible. It happens to be able.
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  Speaker 1: It happens to be able to cut the baby out
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  Speaker 1: of the woman's stomach before the baby begins to suffer
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  Speaker 1: for lack of oxygen. You know, we're taking a look
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  Speaker 1: at the disappearance and murder of a beautiful young mom
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  Speaker 1: marlyin a Chowa, pregnant. Her body is found behind a
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  Speaker 1: residence in a trash can, and then amazingly, a forty
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  Speaker 1: six year old woman comes racing out within a few
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  Speaker 1: hours claiming that she has just given birth. Here is
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  Speaker 1: wg n Nines Dana a Rebic. Neighbors say the woman
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  Speaker 1: told them, the baby had brain damage and was on
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  Speaker 1: life support. Fast forward two weeks and Chicago police were
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  Speaker 1: on West seventy seventh Place confirming they found a car
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  Speaker 1: matching Marlin a Choa's abandoned vehicle. So what was she
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  Speaker 1: potentially doing here miles from her home? A Facebook chat
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  Speaker 1: between her and the forty six year old woman from
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  Speaker 1: this home shows the two women were communicating about baby clothes,
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  Speaker 1: the woman telling Marlin, my girl has all brand new
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  Speaker 1: boy clothes her son never wore, asking Marlin to inbox
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  Speaker 1: her for more info. Now, neighbors are waiting for answers,
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  Speaker 1: wanting to know what happened to this pregnant team. We
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  Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. We don't know what happened
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  Speaker 1: to that girl, so we just don't know what's next.
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  Speaker 1: So we're just waiting to find out. And to make
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  Speaker 1: it very clear, Chicago police have not confirmed any connection
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  Speaker 1: between the birth of this baby at this home and
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance of Marlin Achoa. Her due date was May fifth.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace multiple efforts to locate a
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  Speaker 1: trio of missing women, two were pregnant when they vanished.
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  Speaker 1: Dozens of friends and family continued their search for nineteen
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  Speaker 1: year old Marling of Choya today. She was pregnant when
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  Speaker 1: she was last seen leaving the Latino Youth Alternative High
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  Speaker 1: School in Little Village on April twenty third. Her due
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  Speaker 1: date is today. Meantime, in Chatham, dozens passed out flyers
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  Speaker 1: hoping to get more information on twenty seven year old
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  Speaker 1: Kiera Coles. She was also pregnant when she disappeared in
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  Speaker 1: early October. Her baby was due last month. Cole's sister
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  Speaker 1: cry for help. There's none one month forever and the
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  Speaker 1: reason and I hope there's somebody out there or somebody
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  Speaker 1: I do know what's wrong, can help us give her
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  Speaker 1: a safe return, her and my niece or a nephew.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to find out what it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be, but we opened it when she
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  Speaker 1: finally do return that it is with her and her baby. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: the community is standing by an eleven year old girl
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  Speaker 1: still searching for her mother, Chante Rila. She vanished on
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  Speaker 1: March eighteenth. Chicago police say, if you know anything, you're
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  Speaker 1: urged to call them. A trio of missing women, two
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  Speaker 1: of them we know pregnant right now. The question remains
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  Speaker 1: are the disappearances connected pregnant Kiera Coles goes missing as
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  Speaker 1: well as Shanty Brilla. To Ellen Klauren, Crime online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, what can you tell me about the
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  Speaker 1: disappearance of Kiera Coles, Well Rancy. Just like Marlin, Kira
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  Speaker 1: Coles was pregnant when she went missing in October. She
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  Speaker 1: was three months pregnant at the time, but she too
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  Speaker 1: has past her due date. Her due date was actually
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  Speaker 1: the same day that Marlin was missing, so this is
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  Speaker 1: very concerning. There have been no signs of her possible whereabouts.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: She called it sick to work. She's a postal worker.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: She called sick to work today that she disappeared, but
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: she was seen later that day in her postal worker uniform.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Her parents and her family has continued to offer an
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: increasingly bigger reward for clues and there's just nothing there
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that's right. Police strongly suspect foul play involved in the
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: disappearance of a pregnant USPS letter carrier. We're talking about
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: a gorgeous young mom, Kiera Coles, a letter carrier last
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: scene as she left her Chicago apartment. Her cell phone
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: and purse were found nearby in her locked car. Her
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: family confirms she is pregnant, and police aren't very clear
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: that her case involves some sort of foul Listen to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Alex Perez at ABC News. More than two weeks after
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: twenty six year old postal worker Kiara Coles vanished without
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a trace, police no say they suspect she was the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: victim of foul play. She was last seen here near
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: her home on her neighbors surveillance video. Did she go
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: right there? She didn't go into a place which is
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: right there. So she walked down there and you can
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: see it a post office uniform. Didn't she crossed the street?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Co workers say Coles, who is three months pregnant, had
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: called in sick that morning. Something don't sit right with
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: me about the whole video. Cole's family found her car
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: parked on the street, cell phone and purse inside. She
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: won't go this long without talking to me. We are
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: sorry not to have a contact with my mother. We
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: talk every day. She just she wouldn't have me worming
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like this. My daughter's missing family and friends desperate for
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: answers as the mystery deepens. A twenty five thousand dollar
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: reward is in place to help bring this young home
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: straight back out to Ellen Klaurin crimal line dot com
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, what can you tell me about her case?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It's just not fitting together. Let's start with her location
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: as it relates to Marlin's location. What about that Yancy?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: From what we know they were, they were in a
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: similar location. They were both in um the South side
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: of Chicago, I believe. But we also know that Marlin
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: traveled quite quite a way the way from her home
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to go to this other home where she believed she
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: was picking up items for her baby that was soon
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: to be born. We can only assume that investigators are
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: looking at who anyone else who may have used the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: same Facebook group. What do we know about the Facebook group?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Kay is the same one that Marlin was was chatting with. Yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: we all we know right now of the three of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: using woman. We only go right now at this time
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that Marlin had used this Facebook group group. It's called
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Help Sister Out and it's in support of expectant mothers.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: She met a woman on this Facebook group who said
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: that she her dog. That woman's daughter had lots of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: extra baby clothes and supplies and she was going to
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: swap and or donate some supplies to Merlin. The Facebook
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: group has since been taken down, But we don't know
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: at this time if these people who learned Merlin to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: their home, if they were looking, if they were trying
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to lure other women too. We don't know how big
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: this thing is. We know that four people were taken
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: in for questioning. Three of them have now been arrested.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: The identities have not been disclosed yet. Oh to TROYE. Lytton,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: California defense attorney, Okay, you got your work cut out
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: for you. You see this forty six year old woman
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: walking out with a baby in a towel, surprising everybody body,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: announcing she just gave birth. Nobody knew she was pregnant. Coincidentally,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: within hours after Marlin a Choa goes missing, and now
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is their connection to another young mom to be who
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: goes missing just a couple of miles away. You're a cole.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: It certainly doesn't look good, Nancy, But at this point
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: there's no indication that the other missing women are in
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: any way related to Marlin A Choa's disappearance, or that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: she was taken by the same people, And certainly, a
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: forty six year old woman walking out with a baby
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: when she hadn't been pregnant. Doesn't look good. So I'm
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: certainly gonna want to dive in that's your defense. It
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't look good. I'm going to definitely dive in to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: a mental illness defense. Somebody that is going to kill
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: a pregnant woman and rip the baby from her womb
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: is not in her right mind. There's going to be
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: a serious psychosis. And if she didn't wasn't able to
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: appreciate the rightness or wrongfulness of her actions at that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: moment that she committed that act. If it was even
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: her that did it, there's three other people that are
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: being questioned then that could provide a defense. Police go
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to Kira Cole's apartment to conduct a welfare check after
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: hearing from her family. Kira nowhere to be seen, but
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: her car was still parked out front, the family stating
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: she's never gone this long without speaking to them. Cops
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: looking throughout the area around in the city of Chicago
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: now stunned at the similarities to the disappearance and death
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of young mom Marlin A Choa. Could the two be
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: connected and now a third woman goes missing? Stephen Lampley,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: how would you go about trying to connect these deaths
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and disappearances well after you look at each case, of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: course individually, and there may not be a strong connection
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: right off there. There may not be. You've got to
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: find a common denominator which initially may not show itself
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: right off. And at this point, with three women being kidnapped,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: two of which were pregnant and then matched a sort
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of an m O, so to speak, I would be
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: looking at a lot of things. One is is this
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a baby Is this a baby selling type of operator
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: looking for pregnant women to get babies to sell? I
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: don't know. Is it women looking for babies to quote
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: unquote adopt and sell? I don't know. But but you
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: try to find a common denominator as quick as you
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: can and hope that common denominator will lead you to
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: a suspect if you have information. Three one two seven,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: four seven eight two seven four repeat three one two seven,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: four seven eight two seven four Prime stories with Nancy
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Grace relatively her newborn baby is in critical condition at
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: christ Hospital in Oaklawn. That detectives went to see the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: baby get the DNA testing and confirmed that dead as
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Marlin's baby, and late today tragic word. The medical examiner
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: confirming Ochoa's death through human remains discovered near this home
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: where yesterday four people were taken away for questioning. One
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: of them, according to neighbors, a woman in her forties
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: who won April twenty third, the day Ochoa disappeared, was
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: seen outside holding a baby wrapped in a towel. You're
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: hearing from our friend Eric Horne at ABC seven Eyewitness
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: News regarding the disappearance and ultimately the death of a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: young mom. Marlyn Achoa set to give birth already nine
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: months writing, actually expecting to give birth in the next
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: forty eight hours. But is her disappearance and death just
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. Multiple efforts to locate a
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: trio of missing women, two were pregnant when they vanished.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Dozens of friends and family continued their search for nineteen
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: year old Marling of Choya today. She was pregnant when
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: she was last seen leaving the Latino Youth Alternative High
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: School in Little Village on April twenty third. Her due
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: date is today. Meantime, in Chatham, dozens passed out flyers
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: hoping to get more information on twenty seven year old
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Kiera Coles She was also pregnant when she disappeared in
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: early October. Her baby was due last month. Cole's sister
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: cry for help. There's no one month sitting on forever.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: And the reason I hope that somebody out there or
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: somebody that do know what's going on can't help us
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: give her a safe return her and my niece or nephew.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: We didn't get a chance to find out what it
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: was going to be, but we hoped that when she
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: finally do return, that it is with her and her baby. Finally.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: The community is standing by an eleven year old girl
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: still searching for her mother, Shanta Bryla. She vanished on
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: March eighteenth. Chicago police say if you know anything, you're
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: urged to call them. It's been seven months since Kiana
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Coles has seen her older sister, Kiera. The twenty seven
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: year old pregnant postal worker, left her South Side apartment
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: on October second, near eighty first in Vernon, dressed in
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: her work uniform despite calling in sick that day, walked
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: past her car and out of frame in the security video.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: A young women are going missing without a trace Since October,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: community activist Andrew Holmes has tried to keep focus on
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the case today announcing a large increase in reward money
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: now more than forty six thousand dollars total for information
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: on Cole's whereabouts. You don't want to be in the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: shoes looking for your baby daughter and as a man,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: your baby girl. It's too much pain. Today friends and
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: co workers passed out flyers near Cole's home. Family of
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: two other missing Southside women were there, asking the community
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: for help. Nineteen year old Marlin Ochoa Rio Stage, also pregnant,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: was last seen Tuesday, April twenty third, leaving Latino Youth
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: High School in Pilson, and forty three year old Shanty
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: bry Love, who's been missing since March fifteenth, last seen
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: near her home at eighty fifth and Bennett. Her aunt
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and eleven year old son, are desperate for answers. Well,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: every day, you think about it every day and every night.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And since Jad is with me, now you know it's
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: yet tough. We're not gonna go quiet. We're not going
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: to let this rest. We're not going to allow us
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to become a cold case. Kiera Cole's due date was
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: April twenty third. Each passing day so painful, not knowing
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: what's happened to her. We just hope that somebody good
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: rinklehome her and her baby. If anybody knows something, you
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: please let us know that heart. The Chicago company sir
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Finance dot it donated an eighteen thousand dollars check today
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: for the Kiera Cole's Reward Fund. Anyone with any information
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: on these cases should contact Area South police and can
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: remain anonymous. You're hearing from our friends at WGNT. They
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the family's now demanding answers, hoping that this does not
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: turn into a cold case. To Ellen klaurin Crime online
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, is there any way yet to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: connect the cases? I think it's going to be tough
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: because while they're all going missing from the same general area,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: without finding two of the missing women, you can't connect
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: them back to Marlin Achoa. That's right, Nancy. While there
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: are several coincidences, there is no known link at this
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: time between the three disappearances. But the other two women
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: who went missing, Kiera and Chaunty, both of those are
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: extremely suspicious at authorities said vic Here is likely a
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: victim of foul play. She's calling in sick to work,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: but She's also seen wearing her uniform, her path lunch
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: for work is in her car. Was it really her
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: who called into work now, Shaunty she had. Her family
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: has said that she just received a tax refront check
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and there was a man seeing on surveillance camera at
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: an HM location and now there's no money in her account.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: So that is a very sustious too. Though no one
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: has yet been arrested in her king but Stephen Lampley
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Detective you can find it at Stephen Lampley dot com.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: As I always say, there is no coincidence in criminal law,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: especially between two pregnant women in the same area that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: look very similar physically that go missing, there are very
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: few coincidences. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: when you have situations like this that are very similar,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: they're almost always connected. It just takes a while to
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: make the connection. Guys, we are talking about missing women
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: in the Chicago area too. We know we're pregnant. To
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: doctor Chris Sperry, let's look forward. If bodies I don't
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: want them to be bodies, but if bodies of Kiera
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Cold and Shanti Bryla are found, is there a way
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: from medical examiner to connect the three cases together. Well,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: there certainly would be a way to connect the cases
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: if indeed the other missing women have similar injuries to
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: miss Ochoa. The words, if there's evidence that babies were
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: cut from their rooms, uh, you know, incisions, cuts on
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the abdomen, and also if the women were strangled, because
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: you know, talking about the motors Opalandai, it is possible
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that these other women that were missing, Mirthan used as practice,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: if you will, to try to perfect the the ability
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: to kill a woman and take the baby. So if
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: there is, if there are identical or similar injuries, that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: is going to be incredibly suspicious. There are tying all
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: of these cases together. Guys, three women go missing in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: the Chicago area to doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: out of LA You can find at doctor Bethany Marshall
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: dot com. Bethany they thinking behind the murderer or the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: kidnap of a pregnant mom. It's just something I can't
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: really get my head around. What you have to keep
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: in mind is the word obsessional. I once treated a
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: woman with pseudocyesis meaning a fake pregnancy. Her belly was
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: actually getting bigger during the treatment. She was so obsessed
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: with the fact that she was going to have a
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: baby that that's all she could talk about. She talked
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to her mom, her siblings, everybody in her life. So
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: unlike a bank robber who might plan to rob a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: bank and never tell anybody, or a pedophile who might
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: hide it from his family or any other sort of crime,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the woman who's going to do commit a crime like
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: this is going to try to co opt everybody around them.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: They're energetic, they're obsessed. They throw baby showers and say
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: they're going to have a baby even though there is
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: no baby on the way, even though they have no
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: boyfriend or husband. So if I were a detective on
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: this case, I would start to look at who in
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: the community has become preoccupied with baby stores, who's going
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: in and out of I don't know, toys or us,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: who's online trying to share clothing back and forth with women,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: you know, just like pedophiles hang out into school, these
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: types of woman hang out on these Facebook groups trying
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: to trade clothing and strollers with other people. So I
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: wouldn't think it's so difficult to find the perpetrator if
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: you keep inside you keep in your mind the word obsessed,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: upset with motherhood, but it's obsessed in a very pathological way.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: If you have any information on these three women, Marlin
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: A Choa, Kiara Coles or Shanty Brella, please call three
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: one two seven four seven eight two seven four. Listen
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: to Eric Horne at ABC seven Eyewitness News. We learned
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: today that Pregnantine had been to the home of the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: suspects before and likely had no reason to suspect that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: going there again for another meeting would have deadly consequences.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Words really cannot express how disgusting and thoroughly disturbing these
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: allegations are, and I'd like to offer my sincere condolescence
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and prayers to Marlin's family. First degree murder charges had
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: been filed against Clarissa Figaroa and her daughter, Desiree Figaroa,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: as well as Clarissa's boyfriend, Peter Boback, who's been charged
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: with concealment of a homicide. Police say mother and daughter
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: strangled Ochoa Lopez to death with a coaxial cable and
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: then removed her baby from her womb before concealing Ochoa
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Lopez His body in a garbage container. Police say Figaro's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: daughter confessed to the crime, and a search of the
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: home revealed evidence. They're shifting through everything in the house,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and they're finding remnants of burned clothes. They're finding some
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: blood indication on the living room carpet, some blood indication
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: on the hallway, some blood indication on the bathroom floor.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Police could not provide an exact motive, other than to
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: say it appeared that they had planned to raise the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: infant as their own. They said Clarissa Figeroa, a couple
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: of years ago, had lost an adult son, and that
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: that death had significantly impacted her. Nancy Grace crime story
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye Friend,