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Yoreh De’ah 197:2-3. Niddah: Wedding Night; Timing For the Mikvah; Husband Home, Shabbos; Prohibition During the Day · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK. Good morning.
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  We are continuing KUFSA design. We're just going to point out a
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  couple stuff related to Saif bet where we left off.
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  OK, So one thing that was not clear yesterday will remain not
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  completely clear because it's not completely clear the topic
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  of a Basula, a virgin versus a Almana or a Grusha.
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  A woman who's already been with a man.
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  The post can point out an almana or a grusha from Kedushin, but
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  she never actually did the nesuing with the man has the
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  same din as a Bisullah because she is a Bisullah anyway.
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  So it means really Bisullah versus a Bilullah to be more
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  exact. But OK, that's but that's the
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  wording. The almana is, what's the word
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  that's used in Khazal happens to be so that we, we learned
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  briefly yesterday, there's a difference between a Bisullah
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  and A and almana when it comes to, in order to can one be with
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  them for the first night on Shabbos or not.
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  So what is that all talking about now as far as a maca, So
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  it's a whole issue if it's a mutter or not, but we pass and
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  it's mutter. So there's not an issue of maca
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  of the dam, the suing, the issue that comes up is Kenyan.
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  That's really what it's all about.
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  The whole issue that was mentioned and brought up was the
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  issue of making a Kenyan. What do we mean by a Kenyan?
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  A Kenyan is because by the couple becoming married through
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  Nesuing, not Kedushin. That's actually not what's
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  concerning us with being together Friday night.
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  That would be another issue. We don't do kedushin on Chavez.
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  But now the issue is there's a further Kenyan, not of the man
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  to the woman per SE, but of the work from her, the salary of
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  Micey, Adea, whatever she or Yusha, whatever she gets
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  afterwards, once she's married, then because the husband
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  supports her, then that goes to the husband.
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  So that is a Kenyan of her Miceum of her profits from her
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  work. That's the Kenyan we're talking
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  about. So when does that take place?
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  So by a Bisula, it takes place by Khopa.
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  And then again, this is not for now and this is already getting
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  to be too long, but the whole issue of there's a different
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  possibilities of what Khopa may be.
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  I'll save that for Evaneser. But whatever it is, whatever the
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  Khopa is, that's what is Coveya, the Nasuin for Ibisulla and the
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  Kenyan on Maseya de on the Prophets.
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  So that's that's for Bisula, for an Almana or really for a
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  Bilula. What is it?
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  It's the Kenyan of doing again, All of these things happens to
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  be a whole Mahocus if you go back to the levels of the Gemara
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  and we're showing him if there is even a difference between
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  Bisula and Almana, but we're not going there.
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  Alakala Maisa and Sholkhanara mishnabura, whatever, it's
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  pretty push it. Everyone agrees.
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  And So what we're saying is to say, So what?
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  What are we saying by an Almana? It's different by an Almana.
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  The Kenyan doesn't take place by Khopa, the Kenyanyam take place
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  by Yekhud. Shirauli, Libya.
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  There doesn't have to be be amamish, right?
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  Not everyone but most of us agree that that mean that is the
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  halacha doesn't have to be be amamish, but it needs to be
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  Yekhud. A private Yekhud without kids in
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  the room has to be a proper Yekhud Shirauli Libya.
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  Fine. So therefore, if it's if she
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  already so when it comes back to what are we saying, if she
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  already had the Basua already had Chopa on era Shabbos and on
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  Friday night by having via, there's no further let's say
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  this was a Chopas neither and then she went to the mikvah
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  afterwards on Friday night. They could be together because
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  when they're together with the via or you could, it didn't
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  accomplish anything as far as Kenyan didn't accomplish
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  anything except for the to for the couple to be together for
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  the first time. But when it comes to an Almana,
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  it's important to make sure she has Yuka Taraya Libya on Friday
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  if it's mother. Otherwise she has to wait.
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  She can't do a Friday night for the first time because that
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  creates Kenyanyam. And again, all these Kenyanyam,
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  it's true. These are all issues.
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  So Darabanam, but they're all Kenyan on Shabbos we say is
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  Asadarabanam. So that applies over here as
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  well by an almana. Now, again, it's not so clear,
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  but why is there a difference between a basula and almana?
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  It's not so clear. But that is the halakhabsuka.
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  And again, couple possible explanations for it.
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  Again, it's not so clear. 1 is that hazal?
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  Again, it's not so clear among the ahronium.
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  Certainly not, not anywhere in the Gemara.
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  It's the whole, the whole heloc even is not even an argomara,
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  it's an it's, it's comes from Irushalmi.
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  But anyways, what could be the difference?
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  Because hazal recuvea a khopa as a requirement, part of the
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  nesuing process for a basula. But some say khazal never made a
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  khopa for an almana. There is no such thing.
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  If we do a Khopa at the wedding, it's just like a tekkas.
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  It's like a little, you know, ceremony because we're used to
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  seeing it and it's nice to have, but there's really no big deal
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  and it's not necessary. You know, it's hard to I can't
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  it's hard for me to quote who says this.
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  If you read up in the Sigya, it's what comes out.
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  Everyone says Almana means Gullah.
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  There's no, there's no one who says otherwise as far as I know
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  anyways. And and all the post scheme
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  agree that this is the halacha except depends how you
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  understand the grass. The grass says there's no
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  difference between the two. Our Koshoka wants to say there's
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  no difference, but he says this is the Allahabsouka.
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  Anyway, we're we're digressing, but I just want to point out
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  what is the difference and save this, take notes, keep this for
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  when you get to Ebenezer. But it's not going to be clear
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  over there either. But the hell.
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  So what could be the main difference is they were never
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  coveya akhopa. There's an expression like
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  Enchopa la al mana. So what does that mean exactly?
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  But anyways, it could be there is no such halacha of making a
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  Khopa. So if there is no such thing as
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  a Khopa by an Almana Khazal, can't be, can't be covey of the
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  Kenyanian. The halacha of a Kenyan, the
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  khalus of a Kenyan cannot begin if there is no Khopa to begin
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  with doesn't exist by an Almana Mikaridin.
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  So therefore it has to take place by Yehud.
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  That's one shot, yeah, yeah. And then another possible shot
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  is by, let's say there is a chopa by an Almana, right.
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  Some of the posts can point out there is, it's just how do you
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  understand that expression that I just mentioned in causal?
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  But anyways, bottom line, there is a chopa by an Almana.
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  But as we all know, a chopa by a Basula is just not the same.
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  The first wedding of a girl is just not the same as a second
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  wedding, especially if she's been the oola that's really the
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  hillock. So if it's the first time she's
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  going to be with a man, she's never had yekhud with a man
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  before. It's a bigger deal for her, the
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  Khopa, and it's a bigger deal for the whole community, family,
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  the friends, more people make an effort to come, they prepare
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  more. It's a much bigger thing in the
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  seaboar as well. Both in the eyes of the seaboar,
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  both in her eyes. So it's a much bigger deal by an
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  Almana or by Abdullah. The Khopa is not such a big
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  deal. So when does Khazal establish
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  that the Kenyan makes a big deal on something that's more
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  meaningful for a woman who's already been with a man before?
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  It's at least you could with a new man is obviously a big deal,
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  but being under a canopy is not such is not as a big a deal.
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  Whatever. I think that's suffices for our
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  purposes and you're not going to get much more evaneser on that
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  one because there's not much more to say, but that's OK.
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  Also, just to clarify the is there a mitzvah for a woman to
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  go to the mikvah the first night possible?
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  So that happens to be a mahalkis.
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  Is it considered a mitzvah mamish to go to the mikvah?
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  So we paskin not intrinsically know, therefore a woman doesn't
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  right? If this exactly so that's a
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  mahalkis in the rishonium and lamaisa we hold it's not a
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  mitzvah. That's why a woman doesn't go to
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  the mikvah if it's Yom Kippur or Tish above and she waits till
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  afterwards. I believe the same Biovalis.
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  So that's because it's not, it's not integral.
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  Could be there used to be when it's my focus.
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  If it is, and it could be it was by Tara.
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  But anyways Lamisa nowadays it's not if we start worrying about
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  too. Mantara might be, however, if
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  her husband is in town. So then we call it a the little,
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  the little mitzvah or mitzvah Tibilas mitzvah.
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  We call it that because there is a mitzvah for her to go.
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  It's not intrinsic. But if she can be with her
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  husband, we call it a mitzvah as I think we read it already
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  inside calls it because of period of irivia and other posts
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  right Reproduce and other posts can also point out it's just a
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  mitzvah of ona couple to each other have an obligation to to
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  be with each other besides the Shalom bite and even we know
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  even by a woman who's too old to get pregnant, it's still in
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  mitzvah. And besides the Shalom bite
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  issues, it's also according to El Pisor and Mahida and others
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  point down point out that it creates the holy souls in
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  Shamai. And even though it doesn't get
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  we don't see the kids here, it still creates something and it
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  has a an important purpose and just interesting.
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  It's a little hard to understand but the Gemara in eruv in
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  Sammukh Gilmel just point out that Yahushua was punished for
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  one night for not being the chi empiria of Irivia.
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  That's what happened was he, he was a Movado Torah.
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  He was a Movado Torah. So then he decided to establish
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  to learn Torah all night and he got for the whole C word to
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  learn Torah all night because he got punished for not learning.
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  And then when he stayed up all night to learn with everybody,
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  he caused everyone to be Movado Pirivirivia.
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  So then he got punished for that as well.
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  But that's anyway, but the point is we see that it's important
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  and and it's very calm or for a couple to punish each other
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  through not going to a mitvah for her not to go in order to to
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  punish the other one anyway. So that's but we're not going to
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  get too much into that topic. So if a husband is in town, it
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  is a mitzvah to go in the proper time, even Friday night if a
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  woman, if the husband is not in town, Well, the postgame also
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  point out that even if a woman cannot have Tash mish with her
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  husband, but he's in town, she should, she should.
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  She should definitely still go to the mikvah because they could
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  there's still other they can touch other emotional
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  expressions that could be permitted.
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  Like let's say one of them is sick and they're not able to do
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  toshimish, but they can still be together.
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  We just it's important to point out, they point out to avoid
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  leading to Shih Wazir Allah Batala, but that's but anyways,
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  in general, she should go to the mikvah, no question.
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  All right, just to raise the question, different posts can
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  have a little bit of a different leniency, but in general, just
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  because 1 is a little bit embarrassed to go to the mikvah,
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  like they're going to be somewhere, they're company,
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  they're going out, whatever it is.
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  So sometimes it's OK and sometimes it's not OK.
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  Like you can't always be. Sometimes you have to have a
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  little bit of thick skin and not be too embarrassed.
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  You know, we don't publicize when you go to the mikvah, but
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  it doesn't mean we have to overly make sure nobody in the
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  world knows about it. But so whatever, I'll just leave
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  it as a topic. Shayla Katham, what should one
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  do, pushing it off one night or not?
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  So depends on the case. Sometimes it's a good idea,
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  sometimes it's not. Let's see on this.
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  Anything else you wanted to point out?
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  I'm not sure if we're going to see it again inside, so I'll
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  just point out that when it comes to going to the mikvah on
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  Friday nights, the halacha for this fardium is woman should
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  always go. Doesn't matter if Vaila Bahir or
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  not, doesn't matter. She should always go that night.
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  Even if it's Friday night, she should always go, right?
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  The first night possible, Yeah. I don't know if I would use the
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  word across the board, but in general by Spartan, they would
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  say for sure go always. Even if the husband is not in
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  town, she should still go even if it's Friday night.
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  But by Ashkenazian, I believe in general they say not to go
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  Friday night if the husband is not in town.
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  Can the little nuances ask you Rob, look into this a few more,
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  but in general, if there's no reason for her to go because her
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  husband's not in town on Friday night, they generally push it
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  off because the issues of not bathing on Shabbos and Svita,
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  the general and Ashkenazim are a little bit more mokromar when it
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  comes to swimming on Shabbos or Yontiv.
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  The just as an aside, we're not going to get into that, but in
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  so anyways, just to avoid the issues of looking like a tikkun
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  on the woman and in order to avoid issues of Svita or a
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  general Zera of swimming. So therefore, I mean that
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  general Zera of swimming is really comes mainly from Svita.
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  But whatever it is, just to avoid all that in general, the
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  Ashkenazim do not go on a Friday night if there's no husband in
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  town. But otherwise they would go and
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  we're going to discuss later on. I believe it's Kwif Saudi Tet, a
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  little bit more about doing khfifa during the day.
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  Ashkenazim are a little more strict, but based on Rashi, I
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  believe. But we're going to review and
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  get to there when we get there. But there's more of an Indian to
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  do khfifa and bathing dafka during the day.
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  But whatever, if it needs to be at night, we do it at night and
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  we will see that more and how to deal with Shabbos.
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  I think we'll save her Saudi Tet and how to actually what's the
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  best way to deal with it? OK.
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  Also the issues of just to bring it out, Korba Natano points out
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  there's no zera of Merkazaos for a mikva, so therefore women do
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  go also on Chavez even if it's warm.
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  But then again, there are different opinions.
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  Some say it should only be lukewarm and not very warm.
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  I'm not sure what the your local Minogue your local mikvah does
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  and something to look into. And some say 1 should dafka
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  don't go during bina shmashot. So it's you accomplish it after
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  shkia but you do it for it could be some I think say badafka it
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  should be after it says so I'm not sure.
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  I'll just leave that as something to look into.
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  But some say badafka it should be has to be after shkia, but
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  some say it's shaddaf could be during being a shmashot.
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  So you it's better for Hilfa Shabbos.
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  But some say I think it's better for it to be after it saves for
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  Hilfas needle. So but we're going to discuss
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  what's the big deal to do it at night versus the day.
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  So I think let's just do that right now.
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  And Gimmel, let's read this inside.
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  Gimmel Asura Litbo bayon Shivi. OK, it's us, Sir.
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  For a woman to go to the mikvah during the day.
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  OK, We're going to. We're going to see.
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  I think we're going to see it inside.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  I've got Phil. I'm Montanas.
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  Mulito adiom shimini ochi ina. You call it bobayo mishum srah
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  beta. OK, so on the 7th day, we know
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  she has her Shiva nakim. Is she allowed to go to the
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  mikvah on the 7th day? So we'll explain in a SEC.
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  But we just read in the the halacha's clear, she can't go on
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  the day of the 7th. She has to wait to the night
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  time. What about afterwards, the 8th
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  day, 9th day, 10th day? Can she go during the day?
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  Say malacha? She's not allowed to go.
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  She always has to go at night time because Mishum Srakbita,
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  her daughter is hanging around her Perush davu Kabat.
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  She the daughter is attached to her, the Kuravata and she's not
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  always with her Lasat Kemasse and she's emotionally attached
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  to her mother and she wants to follow, you know, generally
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  kids, obviously some kids are just the opposite, but many kids
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  are they want to follow exactly like their mom, especially when
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  they mature a little older keema say haem.
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  And so they want to do what their mom does.
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  That's what my mom and I'm doing.
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  I don't do the same thing. She had teeth pulled by Yom
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  Kamoa and she wants to. So if she saw her mom go during
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  the day, she's going to want to go also during the day and she
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  won't realize shaima that ahar Shiva tava biloba should be.
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  So she might see her mom go during the day on the 8th day or
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  9th day. Obviously if it's the 7th day,
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  it's the same problem. But we might, you might think on
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  the 7th day it's OK, but on the 8th and it's not OK.
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  But on the 8th day it would be OK.
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  But the daughter is going to learn from the mom and she went
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  during the day and she won't realize it was the 8th day.
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  She's only going to remember that her mom used to go during
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  the day. So therefore she'll learn to go
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  during the day and she'll go on the 7th day.
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  Now let me just recap and explain.
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  Can if a woman is a Nida, can she go during?
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  Can she go during the day on the 7th day?
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  So the seven days of Anita remember is even if she's
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  bleeding for all seven days or not bleeding, she's Anita for
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  seven days makes no difference. And then after the 7th day she
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  can go to the Mikla. So it has nothing to do with
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  counting. Shiba Etzem is Anita and she has
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  to wait and therefore after because of who she is Anita, she
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  can't go to the mikvah until all those seven days are completed.
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  For seven days she's automatically Tamaya de Araisa.
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  And during those seven days of being Tamaya de Araisa, it
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  doesn't help to go to the mikvah.
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  She must go to the mikvah after the 7th day at night.
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  But that's not our problem yet because we are Mahmar like
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  Azava. We we say the woman needs Shiva
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  Nakim. So let's say she waits five days
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  for example, and then she adds 7 days, it's the 12th day.
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  So on a level of Darissa, for the Nida, that happened five
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  days ago. So for her, when she goes on
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  the, if she were to go on the 12th day during the day, right
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  during the 7th of the Zionikim, it would work, it would be
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  totally fine. So that's not the problem.
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  Yeah, whatever it is. OK.
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  Whatever it is, the during, when it happens on the 12th day for
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  us or the 11th day for Spartak or some Spartan.
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  So then you're not there's no issue of Anita anymore.
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  Fine. What?
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  So that's not a problem going during the day.
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  So what's the problem going during the day?
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  Because we're Mahmaran, we treat her like a zaba, and she needs
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  Shiva nakim. Now the halacha according to the
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  Torah is a woman who's a zava must count Shiva nakim and can
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  she go to the mikvah on the 7th day?
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  100% yes because she only has to count 7 days.
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  And we say miksa sayom kekulo because it's not intrinsic on
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  her body that she's tamaya for seven days.
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  She just needs to count 7 days, OK, whatever the subtlety, but
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  that's the halacha for a zava. She only want you can use miksa
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  sayom kakulo once the morning of the seventh half of the 7th day,
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  the Shiva nakim happens. She can't go to the mikvah, she
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  becomes she becomes tahora. She can't eat truma till the
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  night time. That's the first mission of
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  brachos. She can't eat truma until it
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  says, but she's a tuvela diom, so therefore that whole day she
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  really is tahara. But what's the kashash that
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  during the day she'll go to the mikvah in the morning and she's
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  been away for her husband for let's say 12 days.
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  They miss each other and then she'll come home in the morning
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  after going to the mikvah. The husband and wife can be
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  together. It's dark, whatever it is,
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  they're together during the day and then she sees blood in the
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  afternoon. So if you see blood during that
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  entire day, Le Mafreya, it undoes her mikvah because it's
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  so tear it during that day. It's not a nudam, it undoes the
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  whole day. And Le Mafreya, she was a Zava
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  de Araisa and she was with her husband, which is Karis.
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  So that's a problem. So we never want her to go to
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  the mikvah on the 7th day during the day because maybe she'll be
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  with her husband and maybe she'll see blood and just wait
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  till the night time and then you don't have a Kashash of Karis.
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  So that's what the whole problem is of her going during the day.
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  And that's why it's important that she only goes at night.
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  Now Ben Nida Benzava on the 8th day during the in the morning
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  would not be a problem whatsoever.
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  Could could not be a problem. So what's the problem with going
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  during the day on the 8th and the 9th?
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  That's Rachbita. Because the daughter might learn
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  to go during the day. Let's finish now.
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  What happens if but for a color for a bride for her first time
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  getting married? Well, she's still usher to her
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  husband. She's not married yet.
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  She has no husband. They're not going to be
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  together. So Akala is allowed to go during
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  the day because and then they just have to they right.
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  But once they get married, so then Dina and Kisha Arnashi and
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  then they're like all women that they can't go during the day.
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  OK, fine, we'll stop it. So on an early Khopa.
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  So it depends if it's during the 7th day of nekim or after 7th
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  day in Nekim. That will decide if they can be
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  together before or after Shia.