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Credlin |14 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Chris Kenny, I'm not the only
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Speaker 2: one in Australia who wishes that segment was longer. Those
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Speaker 2: two are incredible. All right, let's get into the program tonight,
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Speaker 2: Big show tonight of course, at big speech at seven
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Speaker 2: point thirty from Angus Taylor. Welcome to the program. Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Credline, leaked details of his budget,
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Speaker 2: addressing reply reports of indexation on tax threshold and a
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Speaker 2: serious crackdown and immigrants accessing welfare or they are just
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Speaker 2: two of the things I said last night I really
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Speaker 2: wanted to see in this speech by the opposition leader.
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Speaker 2: What else We'll get to that in a moment. You'll
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Speaker 2: all be familiar too with Cel Grover, the woman who's
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Speaker 2: been locked in a protracted legal batter battle with a
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Speaker 2: transgender woman. So a biological male rock scene. Tickle well,
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Speaker 2: a big update on the case. Cell joins me later,
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Speaker 2: and also a push by the coalition on this issue
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Speaker 2: to rewrite a Gillard era wrong. Plus we'll go live
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Speaker 2: to Beijing as Donald Trump and Jijinping meets plenty of
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Speaker 2: pomp and circumstance, A lot to get across there on trade,
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Speaker 2: Taiwan Iran, Who's in and who's out of the Trump entourage.
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Speaker 2: Sky's US correspondent Jonathan Kurzley has traveled to China, will
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Speaker 2: speak directly with him. And the final sitting day of
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Speaker 2: the budget week with Labor again under pressure to explain
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Speaker 2: their big budget lie.
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Speaker 3: Will the Prime Minister rule out changing his mind about
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Speaker 3: taxing the family home?
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Speaker 4: Will the Prime Minister rule out changes his mind about
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Speaker 4: introducing a death tax?
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Speaker 5: Why is Labor pushing up rents for all Australians when
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Speaker 5: it promised not to.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with the liar, liar pants on fire.
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Speaker 2: I mean you want to know why people have lost
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Speaker 2: faith with politics in this country. This is why when
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Speaker 2: a big lie like this, can.
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Speaker 4: You rule out any changes to negative gearing and capital
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Speaker 4: gains taxes?
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Speaker 2: How hard is it for the fiftieth time becomes reality?
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Speaker 2: A clear, unambiguous lie like that. But now he even
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Speaker 2: has the Speaker of the House running a protection racket
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Speaker 2: for the Prime minister. Here is the Shadow Treasurer today
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Speaker 2: in question time.
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Speaker 6: Labor lie to Australians about plan Now I'm going to
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Speaker 6: deal with this issue. I'm not comfortable with that term,
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Speaker 6: and I refer to Speaker's ruling on the eighteenth of
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Speaker 6: February two thousand and two with the reference of parties lying.
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Speaker 6: So I'm just going to ask raised this yesterday. But
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Speaker 6: if we're going to have this term being used.
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Speaker 7: Speaker Causely, Deputy Speaker Cousely inform the member he cannot
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Speaker 7: refer to either political parties or individuals as being lies.
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Speaker 2: Well, we'll hang on there, because yesterday the Speaker's ruling.
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Speaker 3: Was very different practice yesterday. This is what you said yesterday,
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Speaker 3: Speaker Order, I just want to deal with the word lie.
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Speaker 3: We just want to make sure that he's not directed
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Speaker 3: to a person. Former speakers have directed it to parties.
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Speaker 3: Now that wasn't directed to an individual.
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Speaker 2: Yep, that's exactly right. But now the Speaker appears to
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Speaker 2: be changing his mind from yesterday to today that was directed.
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Speaker 7: Now I've done further research because that you raised it
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Speaker 7: with me, I don't want that term used. And following
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Speaker 7: on from the research that I've done regarding referring to
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Speaker 7: political parties, I'm just going to ask for that to
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Speaker 7: be tempered.
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Speaker 2: Well, hang on there, said the opposition's House Manager Dan teen,
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Speaker 2: you have.
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Speaker 3: Referred to Deputy Speaker Causely. If you look at speakers,
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Speaker 3: speakers of a allowed this collective approach. And I think
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Speaker 3: it's really important that this parliament we don't get pressure
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Speaker 3: from certain people which then causes.
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Speaker 8: Changes, right, I think it's just really important.
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Speaker 3: It's actually true, it's actually tru seat.
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Speaker 2: So Dantean's right to preference the precedent from a deputy
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Speaker 2: speaker over a number of speakers, so more senior speakers
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Speaker 2: is pretty unusual now for those old enough to remember.
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Speaker 2: Deputy Speaker Causeley was a National MP from the Howard
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Speaker 2: era who retired twenty years ago. He comes from a time,
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Speaker 2: of course, when if a prime minister changed his mind,
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Speaker 2: he took that change to an election, as John Howard
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Speaker 2: did over the GST. But this is not how labor operates,
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Speaker 2: is it? Not labor and definitely not this prime minister.
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Speaker 2: So why this about face from the speaker. Yes he's
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Speaker 2: a Labor MP, of course he is, but he's generally
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Speaker 2: regarded as a good speaker. Again, the facts are not
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Speaker 2: in dispute. The Prime Minister lied' you've heard it. He lied.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is a liar.
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Speaker 8: Negative gearing is off the table.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's off the table. Are you considering altering the
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Speaker 9: capital gains tax discount in this country? What we're considering
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Speaker 9: doing is handing down to Budget Andrew on the second
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Speaker 9: Tuesday in May.
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Speaker 8: So no CGT change.
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Speaker 9: Our focus, as I've said, is tax cuts.
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Speaker 2: Well, clearly now after this budget week, truth is a
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Speaker 2: casualty on the floor of the Parliament.
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Speaker 7: I was going to ask the House not to use
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Speaker 7: that term. I think that's in the best interest for
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Speaker 7: both sides.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So Wilson then has another.
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Speaker 4: Go labor misled, deceived, untruthed as to Australians of our
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Speaker 4: plans to tax them more. Well, the Prime Minister rule
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Speaker 4: out changing his mind about introducing a death tax.
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Speaker 2: It is a joke, but it got worse. Look at
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Speaker 2: how the Prime Minister reacts to this legitimate question from
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Speaker 2: Sydney MP Liberal Simon Kennedy.
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Speaker 10: To get ahead, the Prime Minister bought a property in
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Speaker 10: his twenties.
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Speaker 1: He claimed the CGT discount.
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Speaker 10: He negatively geared his way to a four point three
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Speaker 10: million dollar property in Copa Kabana. Now today the Australian
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Speaker 10: reports twenty out of twenty three of the labor cabinet
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Speaker 10: owns more than two properties they can continue to negatively gear.
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Speaker 10: Why are younger Australians being denied these very same opportunities
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Speaker 10: the Prime Minister and his cabinet colleagues continue to benefit from.
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Speaker 2: Now I want you to watch how indignant the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister gets his glass jaw on full display.
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Speaker 9: That's what I did was buy a house in Marrickville.
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Speaker 2: And lived in it.
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Speaker 9: And what I've done now because I have publicly declared
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Speaker 9: got married last November. Jody and I. I note that
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Speaker 9: she is removed from the equation. Jody and I have
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Speaker 9: chosen to buy a home for ourselves for down the track.
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Speaker 9: That is what has happened, all declared.
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Speaker 2: Declared common alban easy. You don't get to play the
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Speaker 2: poor Housing commissioned kid card anymore, Not with a four
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Speaker 2: million dollar beach home that you rent out. Why all
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Speaker 2: of us cover your living costs? And then Son, Now
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Speaker 2: a lot said there about the old Marrickville home that
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Speaker 2: he owned with his ex wife, but not a word
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Speaker 2: about this, the home in Dulich Hill, the investment property
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Speaker 2: that he just sold for one point seventy five million
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Speaker 2: after evicting his longtime tenant Jim Flanagan, in order to
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Speaker 2: sell it now. At the time, Flanagan said he was
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Speaker 2: blindsided when his landlord, Albanisi sent him a letter to
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Speaker 2: kick him out. It wasn't as if Alberanzi needed to
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Speaker 2: move in there, was it. I mean then, as now
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Speaker 2: taxpayers are paying for Albanesi to have the run of
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Speaker 2: two five bedroom homes, the Lodge and Kirabilly House. Loved
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Speaker 2: so much she even had his wedding there. Now, as
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Speaker 2: I've revealed before, the Prime Minister doesn't pay for his food,
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Speaker 2: doesn't pay to get his house clean, to fill up
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Speaker 2: his car, to insure or registrate to get on a plane.
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Speaker 2: You pay for that. Heck, it doesn't even pay for
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Speaker 2: his own toothpaste or shampoo.
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Speaker 11: You do.
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Speaker 2: The pen on his desk, the phone bill, all of
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Speaker 2: it barely puts his hand in his own pocket. And
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Speaker 2: by God, though is it he's quick to put his
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Speaker 2: hand in yours. And it's not just in the billions
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Speaker 2: where you will find labor waste. It is everywhere. And
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Speaker 2: to understand just how much disregard they have for taxpayers,
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Speaker 2: have a look at this sent to me yesterday by
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Speaker 2: a good friend of mine who lives in Canberra. Out
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Speaker 2: and about she was. She came across this shop selling
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Speaker 2: ex government furniture, the stuff that the public servants don't
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Speaker 2: think is good enough for them anymore. Here it is
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Speaker 2: a second hand chair that they're trying to sell for
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Speaker 2: four hundred and forty dollars. But have a look again
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Speaker 2: at the price, because taxpayers paid seventeen hundred dollars for
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Speaker 2: that to put it in a public servant's office. Seventeen
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Speaker 2: hundred dollars for just one chair. He poured it from Italy.
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Speaker 2: Give me a break. Just like Paul Keating and his
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Speaker 2: lif of high end Zenya suits and antique French clocks.
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Speaker 2: Never get between a socialist and someone else's money. Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanese is nothing but a class war hater.
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Speaker 9: I like fighting tories.
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Speaker 1: That's what I do.
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Speaker 12: That's what I do.
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Speaker 2: He's an unreconstructed trot and he is a liar. Now.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for him, I can't be shut down like the
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Speaker 2: Speaker because I don't rely on the Prime Minister for
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Speaker 2: my job like the Speaker does. I work for you.
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Speaker 2: That's my job. In the words of Don Chip, it's
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Speaker 2: to keep the bastards honest if they just told the
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Speaker 2: truth or that would be half the battle. All right,
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Speaker 2: let's get the headlines. It's been a pretty fiery day
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Speaker 2: in Canberra. Joining me in our political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 12: Opposition leader Angus Taylor tonight deliver his first Budget reply,
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Speaker 12: using the address to outline a welfare ban for non citizens.
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Speaker 12: Under a coalition government, new migrants would be barred from
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Speaker 12: accessing a range of support payments including the Age Pension,
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Speaker 12: Job Seeker and the NDIS. Anyone seeking access would first
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Speaker 12: need to obtain citizenship.
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Speaker 7: If you are not an Australian citizen, then you don't
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Speaker 7: get the privileges of an Australian citizen.
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Speaker 12: The opposition leader will also commit to automatically indexing income
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Speaker 12: tax brackets to reduce bracket creep. Independent Tasmanian Senator Tammy
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Speaker 12: Tyrrel has announced she's joining the Labor Party. The senator
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Speaker 12: was elected to Parliament under the Jackie Lamby network banner
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Speaker 12: before becoming an independent in twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 13: I'm not going to apologize to anybody for Johnny Labor.
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Speaker 6: On the sniff that she may not be re elected,
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Speaker 6: has jumped on the nearest life raft, which happened to
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Speaker 6: be a Labor Senate's seat.
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Speaker 12: The Federal Court judges found supermarket giant Coles engaged in
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Speaker 12: miss leading conduct through its Down Down Prices campaign. The
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Speaker 12: court found Cole's misled shoppers with false discount claims on
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Speaker 12: products including baby formula and butter.
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Speaker 14: These findings have increased to the transparency and delivered accountability.
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Speaker 12: The ruling leaves Coles facing potential penalties worth tens of
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Speaker 12: millions of dollars.
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Speaker 2: All right, as I said, in just over about an
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Speaker 2: hour an hour, Angus Taylor will get to his feet
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Speaker 2: and deliver his budget address. In reply, of course, the
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Speaker 2: forlloud continues for Labor over those lies. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: my panel Sky contributor Caroly kats and Barnas and former
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Speaker 2: Labor MP Michael Danby, Michael, I want to start with
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Speaker 2: the opposition's reply tonight. The leaks today that we've got
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Speaker 2: that they will crack down on non Australians accessing some
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Speaker 2: seventeen different welfare programs, age, pensions, disability support, the dolls.
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Speaker 2: Of course we know, Michael, there was huge blowback about
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Speaker 2: a month ago when we found out that fifty thousand
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Speaker 2: people non citizens here were accessing the first home buyer's
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Speaker 2: deposit scheme. Now, surely, if you want government money, you've
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Speaker 2: got to contribute to this country. But you've also got
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Speaker 2: to be a citizen, and you can apply to be
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Speaker 2: a citizen. But if you haven't bothered to apply, why
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Speaker 2: should people have worked all their lives hard have to
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Speaker 2: fund you.
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Speaker 15: They shouldn't. But people with the first time buyers scheme
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Speaker 15: who are earning, they might be different. The problem is
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Speaker 15: if they don't apply for citizenship or they're not earning,
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Speaker 15: they certainly shouldn't be eligible for schemes like that. There's
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Speaker 15: altogether too many immigrants a million people over the next
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Speaker 15: three years, and for fifty thousand people to be accessing
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Speaker 15: these kind of schemes is not fair to the contributing
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Speaker 15: Australian taxpayer. So it's got to be looked at very carefully.
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Speaker 15: Because we've got hard working immigrants.
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Speaker 1: Some of them are.
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Speaker 2: Becoming a citizen, Michael, a citizen.
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Speaker 15: They need to become citizens. But if they're tax paying already,
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Speaker 15: there are sometimes when they might be six months from
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Speaker 15: becoming a citizen and have a terrible accident.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait for.
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Speaker 2: Six months, they will have emergency treatment. That's very clear.
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Speaker 1: You have to have emergency.
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Speaker 2: But just on this point, Carelly, we've got pensioners, sorry,
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Speaker 2: we've got self fun and tirees in particular. Pensioners obviously
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Speaker 2: have a different coverage for their PBS medicines. But we've
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Speaker 2: got people that have paid taxes all their lives that
14:41
Speaker 2: have just had their private health insurance cut by the
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Speaker 2: government age sixty five or over. They've lost that extra support,
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Speaker 2: they had that extra Howard Era rebate. Now I've been
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Speaker 2: contacted by a lot of our viewers, many of them
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Speaker 2: are two thousand dollars out of pocket because of that change.
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Speaker 16: And it's disgraceful because we don't want Australia to be
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Speaker 16: the wealthare place that people just come to. You've got
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Speaker 16: to contribute. And as you say, i've heard the commentary
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Speaker 16: today people are saying, oh, people have been here ten
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Speaker 16: twenty years. Become a citizen. People have got to be
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Speaker 16: able to get back what they actually put into the
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Speaker 16: country as well. It is not good enough. It's just terrible.
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Speaker 2: Particularly when you become a citizen, Michael, you swear an
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Speaker 2: oath and hopefully you go through that ceremony and it
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Speaker 2: reminds you not just of your ribes in Australia. But
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Speaker 2: your response on psibilities.
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Speaker 15: I always used to emphasize that when I was doing
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Speaker 15: citizenship ceremonies at the Glenarah town Hall. But the point is,
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Speaker 15: don't we understand in the current climate that we need
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Speaker 15: to have incentives for people who are migrating to this country,
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Speaker 15: hopefully fewer of them so we can manage the housing
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Speaker 15: crisis to increase their loyalty to the country. If they
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Speaker 15: don't become citizens and that they're here twenty years, that's
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Speaker 15: really odd.
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Speaker 2: It is odd. Well, that was the case with the
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Speaker 2: dead Man, the killer. He's not alleged, design is alleged,
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Speaker 2: but the dead killer in relations into Bondai, he was
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Speaker 2: a longtime resident in this country but never ever became
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Speaker 2: a sor.
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Speaker 15: It almost sounds like a sleeper agent.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to an anniversary today. Forty years
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Speaker 2: ago Paul Keating said Australia must not never become He
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Speaker 2: said a Banana republic. Have a listen.
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Speaker 17: This government can't get the adjustment, get manufacturing going again
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Speaker 17: and keep moderate ways outcomes and a sense ofble economic policy,
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Speaker 17: and Australia's basically done for. We'll just end up being
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Speaker 17: a third rate economy. You know, a banana republic.
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Speaker 2: Now there you go. Here he is warning about becoming
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Speaker 2: a banana republic and his little fanboy Jim Chalmers is
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Speaker 2: actually delivering it.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 15: Charmers thesis is only on Keating's parliamentary tactics, it's not
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Speaker 15: on his content. I wish they'd listened to Ferguson Kelty Keating,
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Speaker 15: all of these people from that period back then, and
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Speaker 15: Peter Walsh, you've got a cutback government expenditures. You've got
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Speaker 15: to have an industrial relation system that goes towards productive enterprises,
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Speaker 15: not to pattern bargaining. All of these things are going backwards.
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Speaker 15: That the best way of handling this budget would have
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Speaker 15: been to cut back some government expenditures. And the problem
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Speaker 15: Peter is we haven't even factored in the three percent
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Speaker 15: we need to have for defense. So where this money
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Speaker 15: is going to come from for that, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I make the point I showed you a picture from
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Speaker 2: my friend. You know, a seventeen hundred dollars imported Italian
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Speaker 2: chair that's come out of a government office being sold
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Speaker 2: in Canberra.
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Speaker 16: That's disgraceful because that's our money, taxpayers money.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 16: The other thing is bracket creep. The public have been
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Speaker 16: calling for years to address bracket creep. Well that's the rumor,
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Speaker 16: that's the real It is the rumor, and I hope
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Speaker 16: that I hope that Angers Taylor goes hard with it,
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Speaker 16: because the thing is on indexation. Governments always index. They're
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Speaker 16: parking fines, speeding fines, other fines so that they get
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Speaker 16: the benefit for their bottom line, but the taxpayers don't.
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Speaker 16: And what I do quickly want to say is that
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Speaker 16: what this government is relying on it they're gas lighting
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Speaker 16: Australians every single day. People aged eighteen to twenty five
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Speaker 16: now will aged between ten and eighteen ten years ago.
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Speaker 16: I'm fed up of being gas lit. And you know what,
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Speaker 16: We heard that phrase Cal Richards explained it beautifully on
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Speaker 16: your show a few months ago about six seven. We
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Speaker 16: know that six' eight is the new. Thing AND i
18:23
Speaker 16: want to introduce that new word For Kel, richards because
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Speaker 16: any young people in your lives start talking in their,
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Speaker 16: language because as we've, known there's no benefit with the
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Speaker 16: negative gearing for.
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Speaker 2: Them no.
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Speaker 16: Point charm is saying invest in new, housing buy a new.
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Speaker 16: House they can't buy a new. House i'm, saying.
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Speaker 2: Just on that let me pick up something that was
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Speaker 2: raised with, me and AS i teased it out with someone,
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Speaker 2: TODAY i, thought, gosh this is. True so if you
18:45
Speaker 2: are an, investor you can't now buy an Established that's Rightety.
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Speaker 2: Garan so you pushed out to the house and land
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Speaker 2: package that the brand new, Properties well that's where most
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Speaker 2: first home buyers. Go so those first home buyers now
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Speaker 2: will face increase. Competition not only will those younger people
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Speaker 2: not themselves be able to negative, gear but everybody who
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Speaker 2: has negative gear will be. Grandfathered but they'll also face
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Speaker 2: increased competition out in the very place where they are
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Speaker 2: desperately trying to get a.
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Speaker 16: Foothold the latter has been pulled. Up and So i'm
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Speaker 16: speaking to a lot of young PEOPLE i work, With
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Speaker 16: i'm surrounded with. Them they're all it's slowly beginning to make,
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Speaker 16: Sense AND i just, say you've got to remember what
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Speaker 16: this government is. Doing they're not actually helping. You and
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Speaker 16: you know, what six eight Next july sixty, seven six,
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Speaker 16: eight that's what you've got to, remember because they're not
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Speaker 16: going to give you. Anything that tax cut is just
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Speaker 16: a complete. Insult and you know WHAT i Heard Richard miles,
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Speaker 16: earlier this week saying that we all need to evolve our. Thinking,
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Speaker 16: no we don't need to evolve our. Thinking they need
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Speaker 16: to start actually telling the. Truth they have lied to
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Speaker 16: The australian public absolutely disgraceful.
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Speaker 15: Fifty times, promise.
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Speaker 11: Well exactly?
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Speaker 16: Right what do they think we are.
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Speaker 15: These kind of things Like John howard did to an. Election,
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Speaker 15: sure you're an honorable and ethical. Person and this is
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Speaker 15: people who even agree with some of these readistributive ideas
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Speaker 15: are going to, say, well look he broke his.
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Speaker 1: Promise i'm not going to support.
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Speaker 2: Him, well just on. That i've got something here on,
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Speaker 2: Death jennie's let's play.
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Speaker 18: That.
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Speaker 1: Please will you hit on the family? Home be?
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Speaker 7: Next?
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Speaker 2: No people with? Respect how does anyone believe?
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Speaker 1: You no hit on the family homes coming?
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Speaker 8: Next is that what you're.
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Speaker 3: Saying, no we're not changing the arrangements when it comes
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Speaker 3: to the family. Home we're not changing arrangements when it
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Speaker 3: comes to things like.
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Speaker 2: Inheritances will you introduce a death?
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Speaker 1: Tax?
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Speaker 2: No but things, change don't? They as you're the treasure of,
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Speaker 2: Repeeddally so.
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Speaker 9: These are that these are the positions that we're put, In.
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Speaker 13: Sarah you've also said that things, change So how can
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Speaker 13: we leave him.
20:56
Speaker 2: When you lose people's, Trust, michael doesn't matter what you
20:59
Speaker 2: say from here year on in no one believes.
21:01
Speaker 15: That this is not the keeping view of the, economy
21:07
Speaker 15: the old.
21:07
Speaker 2: Labors it's not the old.
21:08
Speaker 15: Labor this is a socialist left, government and there Is
21:11
Speaker 15: Jim chalmers is meant to be the. Opposition he's meant
21:13
Speaker 15: to be a right labor. Person he's this also. WEAK
21:17
Speaker 15: i wish there was some opposition to these kind of
21:19
Speaker 15: economic policies in the. Government there, isn't and they'll just go.
21:22
Speaker 15: Along that's what people are worried. About they'll go along
21:25
Speaker 15: with further views of the hard line socialist. Left they
21:29
Speaker 15: always wanted death, duty.
21:30
Speaker 16: So they've lied to us the two seventy five, powervills
21:32
Speaker 16: capital gains, tax, superannuation negative, gearing and The stage three
21:36
Speaker 16: tax cuts that'll be. Next the two.
21:38
Speaker 2: Fifty you're getting back to this year doesn't even cover
21:40
Speaker 2: the two seventy five we should have. Had on your
21:42
Speaker 2: powers six. Eight that's over my, head but, yes, Anyway
21:45
Speaker 2: i'll leave it. There we'll go To beijing now BECAUSE
21:47
Speaker 2: i want to get to that meeting today With Donald
21:49
Speaker 2: trump And Jijing ping A cino pageantry on display as
21:53
Speaker 2: the two leaders, met and they'll have a state, banquet
21:56
Speaker 2: we're told later on. Tonight but let's get the update
21:58
Speaker 2: on the substance of the day from Our washington Correspondent Jonathan,
22:03
Speaker 2: cursley who JOINS us now From. Beijing, Okay, well this
22:08
Speaker 2: was a real sort of pageantry display on sort of
22:10
Speaker 2: The english royal family. Scale i've been there When china
22:14
Speaker 2: has turned it on when we were there for The
22:17
Speaker 2: Australia China Free Trade, agreement and it was that plus more.
22:21
Speaker 2: Today what happened today and what's on the. Table what
22:26
Speaker 2: do both countries separately want out of this, Visit, Jonathan, Well.
22:33
Speaker 19: PETER i think we're now getting to the real nitty
22:35
Speaker 19: gritty of, it because beyond all of the warmth and
22:37
Speaker 19: the pageantry and the red carpet rollouts and the military
22:40
Speaker 19: parades and the cheering school children that were designed to
22:44
Speaker 19: Warm Donald trump's heart ahead of these, talks you don't
22:47
Speaker 19: have to scratch very hard beneath the surface to find
22:50
Speaker 19: the real substance and subtext.
22:52
Speaker 8: Of what these two leaders wanted to talk.
22:55
Speaker 19: About For China's president Shi, jingping it was fundamentally one
23:00
Speaker 19: issue and that Was, taiwan WARNING Us President Donald trump
23:05
Speaker 19: behind closed doors that if the Quote taiwan issue is,
23:09
Speaker 19: mishandled then THE Us china relations could enter a very dangerous,
23:15
Speaker 19: space warning of even conflict and. Clashes we've just had
23:20
Speaker 19: the readout from The ministry Of Foreign affairs here In
23:24
Speaker 19: china that Says taiwan independence and cross straight piece are
23:27
Speaker 19: as irreconcilable as fire and, water describing The taiwan question
23:33
Speaker 19: as the most important issue IN Us china. Relations we
23:38
Speaker 19: Know china had wanted to talk about the so called
23:40
Speaker 19: three t's and that is, trade tariff's And, taiwan and
23:45
Speaker 19: it is firmly still that issue at the top of the.
23:47
Speaker 8: List what we don't know yet is how THE.
23:49
Speaker 19: Us president responded to, That so we are waiting for
23:53
Speaker 19: the detail from The White house on that particular. Issue
23:55
Speaker 19: but reading This ministry Of Foreign affairs readout that has just,
23:59
Speaker 19: drop there is.
24:00
Speaker 8: A level of warmth in it.
24:02
Speaker 19: Too it goes on to talk about building a constructive strategic.
24:07
Speaker 19: Stability beginning at the top of this, document it seems
24:11
Speaker 19: stability is the key word of the day That Shi
24:14
Speaker 19: jingping was trying to send a message that he And
24:17
Speaker 19: Donald trump can stabilize this relationship look to stronger business
24:22
Speaker 19: interests that, would in the words of the, readout boost both,
24:26
Speaker 19: economies and that they should continue to work towards. That
24:29
Speaker 19: but it is the fundamental issue Around taiwan That President
24:33
Speaker 19: she has issued a very direct and stern warning. Over
24:37
Speaker 19: so Ty pei will be watching this incredibly. Closely but
24:40
Speaker 19: AS i, say the important aspect now is what did
24:42
Speaker 19: THE us president say in. Response he's Had secretary Of
24:45
Speaker 19: St Marco rubio very much firmly in his ear and
24:49
Speaker 19: in his, corner somebody who has been a staunch critic
24:51
Speaker 19: of The Chinese Communist party over its military, rise over its,
24:55
Speaker 19: aggression over its, coercion.
24:57
Speaker 8: Particularly In australia's own.
24:58
Speaker 19: Backyard but when the two leaders sat opposite each other
25:02
Speaker 19: inside The Great hall of The, people while there was
25:05
Speaker 19: a markedly different. Tone So President trump was talking about
25:09
Speaker 19: respect and, honor and For china's president he was raising
25:14
Speaker 19: A greek theology idea that has been pushed down generations
25:19
Speaker 19: of the danger of war between a rising.
25:23
Speaker 8: Power and an already established.
25:25
Speaker 19: Superpower here is some of what Both President she And
25:29
Speaker 19: president trumpetersa.
25:31
Speaker 18: Both china and The United states extend to gain from
25:35
Speaker 18: cooperation and lose from. Confrontation we should be, partners not.
25:40
Speaker 18: Rivals we should help each other succeed and prosper together
25:43
Speaker 18: and find the right way for major countries to get
25:46
Speaker 18: along well with each other in the new.
25:48
Speaker 20: Era you AND i have known each other now for
25:51
Speaker 20: a long, time in, fact the longest relationship of our
25:55
Speaker 20: two countries that any president and president has, had and
26:00
Speaker 20: that's to me an. Honor we've had a fantastic.
26:03
Speaker 2: Relationship, Yeah, Jonathan i'm alive to the fact that in that,
26:08
Speaker 2: room in all of these, diplomatic high stakes, engagements leader to,
26:13
Speaker 2: leader there has to be some level of. Magnanimity but
26:17
Speaker 2: what concerns me Is trump sort of gets his head
26:21
Speaker 2: turned by being. Fated we've seen this on numerous, occasions
26:24
Speaker 2: and we've seen it with. Dictators he likes to be
26:27
Speaker 2: the big, man and he likes another big man to
26:29
Speaker 2: treat him as. Us, fortunately though now they're at his
26:33
Speaker 2: left hand Is, rubio who is an Absolute china, hawk
26:37
Speaker 2: and he's about the only one at that table that
26:39
Speaker 2: gives me confidence that in the, end the rule of
26:42
Speaker 2: law and democracy and the things that we've all had
26:44
Speaker 2: to say for the last thirty forty fifty years in
26:47
Speaker 2: relation To taiwan could well.
26:49
Speaker 19: STAND i think you're one hundred percent right, There, peter
26:55
Speaker 19: because AND i think fundamentally that is Why Marco rubio
26:59
Speaker 19: Is secretary Of state for the very reason of how
27:03
Speaker 19: to counter and how to contend With. China the issue
27:06
Speaker 19: that The White house may well have been worried about
27:09
Speaker 19: this week is how Would President trump feel amid all
27:13
Speaker 19: of the warmth and the glow that was deliberately being
27:16
Speaker 19: pushed on him By shijingping and The China's Communist.
27:19
Speaker 8: Party here it, is, yes protocol.
27:22
Speaker 19: That that is how they welcome, leaders but there is
27:24
Speaker 19: a fundamental reason That hijinping was doing that, here in
27:27
Speaker 19: particularly taking him to The temple Of. Heaven then you
27:29
Speaker 19: have somebody Like secretary Of State Marco, rubio who even
27:32
Speaker 19: On Air force one on the way, over was essentially
27:34
Speaker 19: reiterating the words Of america's national defense, strategy and that
27:38
Speaker 19: is the challenges that are posed By china and the
27:41
Speaker 19: issues that surround this very.
27:44
Speaker 8: Nation Marco rubio.
27:46
Speaker 2: Was, WELL i think the one, Lost, Jonathan they're, okay,
27:52
Speaker 2: well we're just wrapping up, anyway but we'll watch that.
27:54
Speaker 2: Closely there as A state banquet, tonight and of course
27:57
Speaker 2: we'll have more to say in next couple of days
27:59
Speaker 2: as to the out all right quick break after the,
28:02
Speaker 2: break a big update for you in the ongoing legal
28:04
Speaker 2: battle Between Cell grover And Roxane. Tickle plus this is
28:09
Speaker 2: big news a bill set to be introduced into The
28:12
Speaker 2: parliament to put the definition of sex back into The
28:16
Speaker 2: Sex Discrimination. Act welcome. Back kit's that morning In. LONDON
28:24
Speaker 2: i think it's on in relation To Kirs. Starmer we'll
28:27
Speaker 2: get over there and speak To Sophie ellsworth a bit later,
28:29
Speaker 2: on but, FIRST i know you're very familiar with my next,
28:33
Speaker 2: Guest Cel, grover who's been locked in a protracted legal
28:36
Speaker 2: battle With Roxanne, tickle a transgender. Woman so a biological
28:40
Speaker 2: mail After ticker was banned from using sales women's only
28:43
Speaker 2: social networking app back in twenty twenty. One Now tickle
28:47
Speaker 2: alleged this was unlawful discrimination on the basis of a
28:50
Speaker 2: gender identity under The Sex Discrimination, act Which i'll have
28:54
Speaker 2: more to say on in a moment with my next.
28:56
Speaker 2: Guest in two thousand and, four The federal court found
28:59
Speaker 2: in Faate so twenty twenty, four The Federal court found
29:03
Speaker 2: in favor Of Roxane, tickle finding she'd been indirectly discriminated
29:07
Speaker 2: against as a trans. Woman. Now Cel grover then appealed
29:11
Speaker 2: that decision to the Full bench of The Federal court
29:14
Speaker 2: because of its implications for the rights of all women
29:18
Speaker 2: and girls in this. Country, well TONIGHT i can report
29:21
Speaker 2: that at two o'clock, tomorrow the Full bench of The
29:24
Speaker 2: Federal court will deliver its long awaited verdict in this.
29:28
Speaker 2: Case joining, me, now this incredible warrior for, Women giggle
29:32
Speaker 2: For girls Founder Cel, GROVER i say so. WELCOME i
29:36
Speaker 2: say you are a warrior for. Women BUT i know
29:39
Speaker 2: that's not what you set out to. BE i know
29:42
Speaker 2: you just started an app and you found yourself in
29:45
Speaker 2: this very unlikely and very expensive position of not just
29:49
Speaker 2: having a fight for your rights as a business, operator quite,
29:53
Speaker 2: frankly that the rights of me and for every other
29:56
Speaker 2: woman and girl in this country aheaded. Tomorrow how are you?
30:00
Speaker 13: Feeling, Well, HONESTLY i feel Like i've given EVERYTHING i.
30:06
Speaker 13: HAVE i went into a reality versus ideology fight with
30:11
Speaker 13: facts and, reality AND i think we've done the absolute
30:15
Speaker 13: best that we can. DO i, MEAN i would be
30:18
Speaker 13: significantly more nervous IF i was trying to argue that
30:21
Speaker 13: men could be. WOMEN i think that's a hard fight to.
30:23
Speaker 13: Win but when you actually are just trying to re
30:27
Speaker 13: establish the one of some of the most basic facts
30:30
Speaker 13: that actually, exists you do get to a point where
30:33
Speaker 13: where you know you've done everything to do, it and
30:35
Speaker 13: you're a bit. Calmer AND i, mean this has been incredibly.
30:38
Speaker 13: Difficult we have come up against every obstacle along the
30:42
Speaker 13: way of getting people to understand how important this, is
30:45
Speaker 13: of the political class dismissing it as just some nothing
30:48
Speaker 13: culture war that like women are just expected to be
30:51
Speaker 13: erased from law of institutional. Capture so you, Know i'm
30:56
Speaker 13: proud of where we have. Gotten but this has been
30:58
Speaker 13: four and a half years And i'm very much ready
31:00
Speaker 13: to move on to the next.
31:01
Speaker 2: Stage we know That roxannetickle's been backed by The Australian
31:06
Speaker 2: Human Rights, commission so she's had the taxpayer funded heavies
31:11
Speaker 2: in her. Corner how on earth have you managed to
31:14
Speaker 2: fight this?
31:15
Speaker 13: Case, WELL i have had tens of thousands of citizens supporting.
31:23
Speaker 13: Me i'm very proud to represent people who are just
31:27
Speaker 13: over being told what to, see what to, think being
31:31
Speaker 13: told that they will be punished if they say. No
31:34
Speaker 13: they just have to accept this ideology as, fact something
31:37
Speaker 13: that they know is completely. Wrong i'm really proud to
31:40
Speaker 13: represent them and the fact that we've been able to
31:43
Speaker 13: do this basically with people. Power i'm completely. Crowdfunded there's
31:47
Speaker 13: no institutional backing or crowdfunding for. Me it's giggle crowdfund
31:51
Speaker 13: if anybody does want to, help because you, KNOW i,
31:54
Speaker 13: mean lawyers aren't, cheap and especially a brilliant legal team isn't.
31:57
Speaker 13: Cheap And i'm, very very fortunate to have a great
32:00
Speaker 13: legal team that has gone in there and fought and
32:03
Speaker 13: made sure that we can find a way to have
32:06
Speaker 13: clarity in the. Law and this isn't about taking rights
32:09
Speaker 13: away from. Anybody this is about establishing fact in the
32:13
Speaker 13: law and the fact that women are a class of
32:16
Speaker 13: people and that we are able to have women only,
32:20
Speaker 13: spaces that we get a women only, sport that we
32:23
Speaker 13: can just clear up all of this ambiguity that has
32:26
Speaker 13: been in there for the last few, years especially Since
32:28
Speaker 13: Julia gillard under her government changed them and The Sex Discrimination.
32:33
Speaker 20: Act.
32:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ironic i'm going to get to that in a,
32:36
Speaker 2: Moment but ironic the first female prime minister to do
32:39
Speaker 2: over women as she. DID i, mean she's the great
32:43
Speaker 2: misogynist IF i want to get clear about the changes
32:45
Speaker 2: that she made to that, Act but just on, this
32:48
Speaker 2: when you started, out when the first decision went against,
32:51
Speaker 2: YOU i think the, WORLD i think The australian debate
32:55
Speaker 2: on this was in a very different. Place now we've
32:58
Speaker 2: even got THE ioc and other organizations saying it's not
33:02
Speaker 2: about trans, people it's actually about cementing the rights of,
33:05
Speaker 2: women our biological. Rights so do you feel that things
33:10
Speaker 2: have now caught up to where you are at the
33:12
Speaker 2: principles that you are.
33:13
Speaker 13: Arguing the people who want to establish trans rights are
33:20
Speaker 13: entitled to do, that and they've had an amazing amount
33:24
Speaker 13: of political capital for the better part of the last. Decade,
33:28
Speaker 13: now the likes of The Australian Human Rights commission could
33:31
Speaker 13: use that put all of their energy into getting legislation
33:36
Speaker 13: to protect trans people on the basis of being, trans
33:40
Speaker 13: to get them trans only, spaces trans only, sport whatever they,
33:44
Speaker 13: need go and do. It they've never even tried they.
33:47
Speaker 13: Have all they have done is tried to get women
33:50
Speaker 13: to accept men in female spaces and, sport and we
33:56
Speaker 13: have said, no it's as simple as, that we're not
33:58
Speaker 13: opposing other people having protections that they need have, them
34:02
Speaker 13: but you cannot take away our protections to get. Yours
34:06
Speaker 13: that's not how human rights work at, all never has,
34:08
Speaker 13: been never will.
34:09
Speaker 2: Be, okay, okay just quickly sall two o'clock. Tomorrow if
34:12
Speaker 2: it doesn't go in your, favor will you go to
34:15
Speaker 2: The High?
34:16
Speaker 13: Court, yes, YEAH i THINK i mean there you heard.
34:20
Speaker 11: IT i would like.
34:21
Speaker 13: THAT i would like that there to be legislators that
34:25
Speaker 13: stepped in and actually did their job and fixed, this
34:26
Speaker 13: because they could fix this for free in a. Week
34:28
Speaker 13: but IF i have to go to The High, COURT i.
34:29
Speaker 2: Will right everyone there you. Go if it doesn't go
34:33
Speaker 2: her way, tomorrow get on and. Help Crawd fundo will
34:35
Speaker 2: speak to you after the, event, Obviously so thank you
34:38
Speaker 2: for joining me. Tonight let's go to that point on,
34:40
Speaker 2: legislation BECAUSE i want to tell you that there will
34:43
Speaker 2: be a private member's bill introduced into The house Of
34:46
Speaker 2: reps in the next sitting fortnite that that doesn't start On,
34:49
Speaker 2: monday it's the next week after. That and joining me
34:52
Speaker 2: now is the woman who wants to right this, wrong
34:56
Speaker 2: AS i, said ironically put in place made by the
34:59
Speaker 2: first Fee Prime Minister Julia gillard for reasons she can't,
35:02
Speaker 2: explain not, now not even back. Then when she ripped
35:06
Speaker 2: out the gender descriptors are sex descriptors of man and.
35:10
Speaker 2: Women from that legislation she put in gender, identity sexual
35:15
Speaker 2: orientation and intersex status as what are called protected. Attributes
35:21
Speaker 2: John may now THE mp who's taking on this, fight
35:25
Speaker 2: The member For, line The NATIONALS mp For Line Ali. Penfold, Well, ali.
35:30
Speaker 2: ALLELUJAH i have to say to you because we have
35:32
Speaker 2: talked about this for so long and you're the first
35:35
Speaker 2: person in The parliament putting pens to. Paper good on,
35:38
Speaker 2: You thank, You.
35:41
Speaker 21: Peter, no this is an important issue in my community
35:44
Speaker 21: and Across.
35:44
Speaker 2: Australia the numbers look like obviously you're in The, house
35:49
Speaker 2: only that they will be against. You but this is
35:51
Speaker 2: about having the fight forcing labor to vote AGAINST i
35:55
Speaker 2: presume the rights of women and. Girls how are you
35:59
Speaker 2: going to go about making a real noise about this
36:01
Speaker 2: so it does become a huge issue at the next.
36:03
Speaker 21: Election, Well, peter just because the government's a lost cause
36:08
Speaker 21: on this issue doesn't mean we should we shouldn't try
36:11
Speaker 21: and people Like Sal grover And Curira Lee smith who's
36:14
Speaker 21: a constituent of, mine who's also been dealing with this
36:17
Speaker 21: issue in the. Electorate there've been incredible individuals with incredible
36:23
Speaker 21: passion to represent what is a simple. Fact but sex
36:28
Speaker 21: is biological and. Binary and my decision to pursue this
36:33
Speaker 21: goes back a number of. Years it was a COMMITMENT
36:36
Speaker 21: i made to the members of The nationals in my
36:39
Speaker 21: electorate AND i said to them in my first term In,
36:42
Speaker 21: parliament If i'm, ELECTED i will introduce this bill Because
36:46
Speaker 21: parliament has to fix the ambiguity and Only parliament. Can
36:50
Speaker 21: we can't leave it to the courts to do. THIS i,
36:52
Speaker 21: mean As sol, said she's trying to. Crowdfund if she
36:56
Speaker 21: needs to take it to The High, court that's not
36:58
Speaker 21: fair on her and that's not on the women Of.
37:00
Speaker 21: Australia we need to create safe, spaces activities and. Services
37:06
Speaker 21: we need to deal with this. AMBIGUITY i would like
37:09
Speaker 21: to see my bill go forward to debate and to
37:12
Speaker 21: be voted, on but as a private member's bill at
37:14
Speaker 21: this Point i'll simply only be able to introduce, it
37:17
Speaker 21: but at least it'll be on the notice paper AND
37:20
Speaker 21: i hope others will take up the case with.
37:23
Speaker 2: Me, Yeah And i'll just make the point again About Julia.
37:27
Speaker 2: GILLARD i mean she likes to get out there and
37:28
Speaker 2: crow about being the first female and all the accolades
37:32
Speaker 2: that go with, it first female prime, minister and yet
37:35
Speaker 2: she did this to. Women it would be good for
37:38
Speaker 2: The Prime minister now and all the labor and pas
37:42
Speaker 2: to join you in writing this, wrong BECAUSE i think
37:44
Speaker 2: the world has absolutely woken up to. This if you've
37:47
Speaker 2: got The International Olympic committee now protecting women's, sport yet
37:53
Speaker 2: it's not protected in this, country then surely we need
37:55
Speaker 2: to fix.
37:56
Speaker 21: That, yes, Exactly peter AND. I i've tried to craft
38:01
Speaker 21: this legislation in a way that it can get the
38:03
Speaker 21: support of The. Parliament i'm not fully overturning the amendments
38:07
Speaker 21: that were made in twenty. Thirteen there still will be
38:11
Speaker 21: protected attributes for Transgender, australians but they'll be ascertainable and.
38:17
Speaker 21: Objective i'll be reinstating the biological definition of male and.
38:22
Speaker 21: Female i'll be making explicit protections for female, spaces and
38:27
Speaker 21: in doing that that's about you, know as you, said
38:30
Speaker 21: we've got the sporting issues with THE ioc and other
38:36
Speaker 21: codes that have really struggled. With we've had issues In,
38:39
Speaker 21: victoria in, prisons, overseas we've had issues in domestic violence.
38:43
Speaker 21: Shelters we need to create. Laws women's rights should not
38:48
Speaker 21: be a served. Here we need to create a space
38:52
Speaker 21: for women and, indeed, Men i've had men in my electorates, say,
38:55
Speaker 21: hey we want to have a men shared for. Men
38:58
Speaker 21: we want to have that place for men to go
39:00
Speaker 21: for the camaraderie and the support they, Need AND i
39:03
Speaker 21: think that's. Fantastic we need to create those safe spaces
39:07
Speaker 21: for people to be able to engage in a way
39:11
Speaker 21: that they feel safe. In And i'm just trying to
39:13
Speaker 21: carve out a middle ground here AND i do, HOPE
39:17
Speaker 21: i do hope that common sense will, prevail and it
39:20
Speaker 21: should because it's time that we dealt with this. Issue
39:23
Speaker 21: we dealt with the, ambiguity and we can get on
39:25
Speaker 21: with the way things should.
39:26
Speaker 2: Be Good on, You, Ali i'm encouraging my viewers to
39:31
Speaker 2: get on there and send you an. Email you'll have
39:32
Speaker 2: plenty of material, then almost like a petition you can
39:35
Speaker 2: speak to in The parliament and perhaps maybe get some
39:38
Speaker 2: of these labor, women particularly the women they talk, tough
39:41
Speaker 2: these labor women on board to support. You thank you
39:43
Speaker 2: very much for joining me. Tonight all the. Best let's
39:46
Speaker 2: go to THE uk after the. Break Here's dama on
39:49
Speaker 2: his last. Legs, Now i've been warning that other states
39:57
Speaker 2: were forced to bail Out victoria given the state of their.
39:59
Speaker 2: Books the federal budget confirms that is. Happening now we'll
40:03
Speaker 2: get to that with my panel in a. Moment but
40:05
Speaker 2: let's go straight To. London Kiss arma in trouble The prime.
40:08
Speaker 2: Minister eighty labor MPs have demanded he. Quit we've now
40:12
Speaker 2: got four ministers who have. Resigned he says he's digging
40:16
Speaker 2: in joining. Me askinese Contributor News Corporate european Correspondent Sophie.
40:21
Speaker 2: Ellsworth so what's the, Latest, Well, peter there's.
40:26
Speaker 14: A lot of excitement down here at Ten Downing street
40:29
Speaker 14: because the media is waiting to see whether the expected
40:33
Speaker 14: resignation is to come of The Health Secretary Where's, streeting
40:37
Speaker 14: which is expected to happen in the coming, hours which
40:40
Speaker 14: would cause a challenge for The Prime. Minister but at
40:44
Speaker 14: the moment we really are in limbo waiting to see
40:47
Speaker 14: whether or not that will, Happen. Peter but just in
40:50
Speaker 14: the last few hours it's also come to light That Angela,
40:53
Speaker 14: raina the Former Deputy Prime, minister has had at tax affairs.
40:57
Speaker 11: Any wrongdoing or any issues with.
41:00
Speaker 14: That, cleard she hadn't paid a forty thousand pound amount
41:04
Speaker 14: on her stamp. Duty she's now been cleared of any
41:07
Speaker 14: wrongdoing in relation to, that which now opens the gates
41:11
Speaker 14: possibly for her to mount a. Challenge, So, peter it's
41:14
Speaker 14: anyone's guess as to what may happen here in the
41:16
Speaker 14: next few.
41:17
Speaker 2: Hours, okay she might have paid the, money but do
41:22
Speaker 2: you think she's cleared in the eyes of voters to run?
41:27
Speaker 2: Here and what About Andy. Burnham he's out of The
41:30
Speaker 2: parliament of, course it was blocked By Keirs darmer for
41:33
Speaker 2: a seat in a recent. Race can he run from?
41:36
Speaker 2: Outside can he somehow get involved at this late, Stage, peter.
41:42
Speaker 11: Just listening to talk back radio this.
41:44
Speaker 14: Morning the punters are really annoyed about this case With
41:46
Speaker 14: Angela reiner Because i've heard some people ring up and
41:50
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41:54
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41:56
Speaker 14: having to pay fines or interests or penalty and this
42:00
Speaker 14: has not occurred in her.
42:01
Speaker 11: Instance and also it appears that her case was.
42:04
Speaker 22: Resolved relatively, quickly so questions are being raised of why
42:09
Speaker 22: this news has come to light and why it's happened relatively.
42:12
Speaker 22: Quickly but in regards To Andy, burnham, look he is
42:16
Speaker 22: still The Greater manchester, mayor so they're trying to work
42:20
Speaker 22: out if they can find a seat for him to
42:23
Speaker 22: force the by election to try and get him a
42:25
Speaker 22: seat back in The house Of, commons which then means
42:28
Speaker 22: he could possibly mount a, challenge but there's lots of
42:31
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42:34
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Speaker 2: Affairs Dan. Wilde welcome to you. Both, Dan i'm going
45:50
Speaker 2: to start with. You i've been warning for ages and
45:53
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45:57
Speaker 2: ink In victoria would have all that for other, states
46:00
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46:04
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46:13
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46:16
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46:20
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46:23
Speaker 2: don't have a mining. Industry, well they used to have
46:27
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46:30
Speaker 1: Gas well that's exactly.
46:33
Speaker 28: Right they don't have a mining industry because the government
46:35
Speaker 28: has chosen to not have a mining. Industry and exactly
46:38
Speaker 28: as you've pointed out and we've discussed for many, months
46:41
Speaker 28: the problems In victoria are not just problems that will
46:44
Speaker 28: stay In. Victoria they are problems for All australians because
46:48
Speaker 28: other states that are doing better, economically other states that
46:51
Speaker 28: are making better economic decisions and now having to bail Out,
46:55
Speaker 28: victoria and it is only going to get.
46:57
Speaker 1: Worse this is also a problem that's.
46:59
Speaker 28: Build into THE gst distribution, system, which as you, know
47:03
Speaker 28: underperforming states get cross subsidized by states that are considered
47:07
Speaker 28: to be performing. Better so there's a disincentive for states
47:11
Speaker 28: to undertake reforms that will grow their. Economy so look,
47:14
Speaker 28: Sadly victoria is not just a basket case in its own.
47:17
Speaker 1: Right it's a basket. Case it's going to drag down
47:19
Speaker 1: the national economy.
47:22
Speaker 2: And dan tonight obviously a very big speech From Angus.
47:24
Speaker 2: TAYLOR i, mean it's not a campaign. Speech you can't
47:27
Speaker 2: do everything and you can't fix everything tonight, Either BUT
47:31
Speaker 2: i have, said you, KNOW i want some fair income
47:34
Speaker 2: action on. MIGRATION i want a. Number i'd like to
47:37
Speaker 2: see That Howard government average of one hundred and twenty
47:39
Speaker 2: thousand only a, year or upwards of five hundred. THOUSAND
47:43
Speaker 2: i also would love to see every single dollar from
47:45
Speaker 2: net zero put towards something that rewards, aspiration a like
47:50
Speaker 2: ending bracket. CREEP i think that's on the table that is.
47:53
Speaker 2: Coming But, dan what else do you want to?
47:55
Speaker 28: See, well there's three THINGS i want to, see which
47:58
Speaker 28: is cut, Immigration cut immigration and cut. Immigration that is
48:02
Speaker 28: the number one issue facing our nation's future at the
48:05
Speaker 28: moment because so many things hinge upon. It it's not
48:08
Speaker 28: just an economic, problem it's a social, problem which is
48:10
Speaker 28: also becoming a political. Problem and when you look at
48:13
Speaker 28: the hypocrisy at the heart of the government's. Budget yes
48:16
Speaker 28: there's the lies over negative gearing and capital gains, tax
48:19
Speaker 28: but the central lies that they're going to get More
48:21
Speaker 28: australians into a.
48:22
Speaker 1: Home no they're.
48:23
Speaker 28: Not you're not going to get More australians into a
48:26
Speaker 28: home when you are bringing in nearly three hundred thousand
48:29
Speaker 28: more migrants each year one point two million over the
48:33
Speaker 28: next four, years and they reckon they're going to free up.
48:35
Speaker 28: Housing it is a complete and total face and that
48:39
Speaker 28: is the key issue THAT i Think Angus taylor needs
48:41
Speaker 28: to tackle.
48:42
Speaker 2: Tonight, Well, jamie they're not going to free up housing.
48:45
Speaker 2: Either if they force all the investors out of the,
48:48
Speaker 2: market and those that still want to, invest all negative
48:51
Speaker 2: gear have to then go out for the house of land,
48:55
Speaker 2: packages the housing type that generally the first home buyer
48:59
Speaker 2: tends to be able to. Afford and so you're going
49:02
Speaker 2: to make it tougher on. THEM i, mean the unintended
49:05
Speaker 2: consequences and what was announced On tuesday night are. Real
49:08
Speaker 2: what do you want to see tonight from The liberal?
49:10
Speaker 5: Leader, well first of, All, PETER i really want to
49:13
Speaker 5: See Angus taylor come out with giving, everything speaking with
49:17
Speaker 5: conviction and being bringing back for The Liberal. PARTY i
49:21
Speaker 5: know this sounds, dramatic BUT i really think it's make
49:23
Speaker 5: or break for The liberals And Angus taylor. Tonight i'd
49:26
Speaker 5: really like to see them address the childcare issue within this.
49:29
Speaker 5: BUDGET i don't think universal childcare. Works we've spoken about
49:32
Speaker 5: this previously on the. PROGRAM i think it should be
49:34
Speaker 5: more like a tax deduction or give the money to
49:37
Speaker 5: families and they can decide where they want to spend,
49:39
Speaker 5: it and the same with. YOU i think that migration
49:42
Speaker 5: needs to be lowered quite. Substantially BUT i think it's
49:45
Speaker 5: also worth noting when you talk about negative. Gearing The
49:47
Speaker 5: australian has reported that out Of labour's, cabinet twenty out of,
49:51
Speaker 5: twenty three of those ministers have more than two. Properties
49:55
Speaker 5: Tony burkey has, Six Andrew charlton has, five so they
50:00
Speaker 5: won't be impacted by these negative gearing. Changes it's only
50:03
Speaker 5: the younger generation that they're supposedly supposed to be, helping
50:06
Speaker 5: so These labor ministers won't be. Impacted they've been able
50:10
Speaker 5: to reap the rewards of negative gearing and then knock
50:12
Speaker 5: the ladder down after they've achieved, it so that the
50:15
Speaker 5: next group can't do it unless it's a new. Property
50:17
Speaker 5: but as you, said they're going to be up against
50:19
Speaker 5: investors as, well so there's going to be lots of
50:22
Speaker 5: negative flow on impacts Of Tuesday night's. Budget BUT i
50:25
Speaker 5: Think Tonight Angus taylor bring back ambition and show that
50:29
Speaker 5: success is something to be rewarded not punished In. Australia.
50:34
Speaker 2: Dan, interestingly we look in the forward, estimates we know
50:37
Speaker 2: that our debt is going to climb well and above
50:40
Speaker 2: the one trillion dollar, Mark but there was a terrible
50:43
Speaker 2: report today, that in, fact if you dig deeper into
50:46
Speaker 2: the budget, papers there's actually another trillion dollars out there
50:50
Speaker 2: that we are on the hook for that labor has
50:53
Speaker 2: not come clean.
50:54
Speaker 28: About, yeah, well it all feels like monopoly money at the,
50:58
Speaker 28: moment doesn't.
50:59
Speaker 1: It they're throwing billions.
51:00
Speaker 28: AROUND i think the issue that really concerns, me in
51:03
Speaker 28: addition to what you've, said is that they're forecasting our
51:06
Speaker 28: economy is going to be growing very, slowly only in
51:09
Speaker 28: the twos in terms of annual percentage. Growth, now this
51:12
Speaker 28: is well below the growth to our. Debt now that's
51:15
Speaker 28: a big. Problem when your debt is growing faster than your,
51:17
Speaker 28: economy that means the debt is going to eat up
51:20
Speaker 28: more of your, economy not. Less and so when there's
51:22
Speaker 28: no plan to actually grow the economy beyond rapid population,
51:26
Speaker 28: growth that means that there's only one way they're going
51:28
Speaker 28: to claw that, back and that's through raising, taxes which
51:30
Speaker 28: is exactly what they're.
51:31
Speaker 2: Doing and just, Quickly, jamie there is a real move
51:37
Speaker 2: out of THE nt to put children in the safest,
51:41
Speaker 2: home not just in a cultural. Home we must do, This.
51:47
Speaker 5: Peter we must do. Better And senator that's just Into.
51:51
Speaker 5: Namba Jimber price spoke so passionately in The. Senate we
51:54
Speaker 5: need to be doing everything we possibly, Can, peter to
51:57
Speaker 5: fix the situation that is up in The Northern.
51:59
Speaker 2: Territory all, Right i'll leave it there because we're up
52:02
Speaker 2: against the. Clock thank you to you. Both don't miss
52:06
Speaker 2: tonight obviously it's seven point. Thirty after a little bit
52:08
Speaker 2: Of Andrew, bolt you will Get Anger's. Taylor don't go,
52:10
Speaker 2: anywhere stay here on. Sky ya'll be analysis at the other.
52:13
Speaker 2: End i'm going to head off now. Though have a lovely.
52:16
Speaker 2: Week