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Autumn's Concerto | Full Taiwanese Drama Review / Ep. 66 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teba Kay Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas, except we're not reviewing a
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  Korean drama. Today we are actually going to
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  talk about the first Taiwanese drama of the TIPAC podcast in
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  general. Like we have never covered a
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  Taiwanese drama ever. Yes, I know my guest for this
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  episode is Carol from the K Drama Musings podcast.
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  Carol, it is so wonderful to see you and to have you back on the
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  pod. How are you?
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  I am good, how are you? It's been so long and I can't
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  believe this is your first TW. Review.
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  I know I haven't I haven't done any Taiwanese dramas on the
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  podcast. It's so strange and it feels
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  wonderful to be talking with you again.
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  It's been a while, like you said, even though we've been
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  talking back and forth in the DMSA lot and sending voice
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  messages and stuff. We haven't done a podcast
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  together since the Coffee Prints episode.
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  Which. We we did the coffee prints
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  episode on yours, but we did do the 2023 wrap up.
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  On you're right, we did the 2023 wrap up over on your podcast K
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  Drama Musings, and that was a lot of fun because there was a
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  lot of contention both of dramas from 2023 and it was a lot of
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  fun. So go back if you haven't
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  listened to that and you want to hear our thoughts on the 2023
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  dramas the year, go back and check it out on Carol's K drama
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  musings podcast. And of course, if you want to
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  hear Carol on Tabak, there's a bunch of episodes.
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  Coffee Prince is not the last time that she was here.
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  She was here before that on love between fairy and devil, I
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  believe. Yes, you were here for search
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  www.aswell, like there's quite a few that you've been here on and
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  I'm so thrilled that you wanted to be here for Autumn's
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  concerto, which is the drama that we're going to be talking
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  about today. Before we get into it, if this
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  Janet, Curtis, bail CD, Alana, Grace, Lorna, Sammy, Caitlin,
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  Julia, Michelle, Tanmi, Erin, Martha and Delphia.
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  Love you guys. All right, so we're going to get
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  into this drama. I can't believe we're here,
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  honestly. So the whole the whole reason
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  why I want first of all, the whole reason why I wanted to do
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  Autumn's Concerto was I stacked this season, season five of
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  Tabak with just dramas that I wanted to watch or rewatch.
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  And for some reason, Carol, I was like feeling Autumn's
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  Concerto. I was like, I don't know where I
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  was talk and what's it with you or was I can't reverse with
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  someone else. But like we were commiserating
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  about Autumns Concerto and I was like, oh, we got to circle back
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  on this. Now here we are and we're about
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  to do it. OK, so for those of you who
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  don't know what it's about, this is the My Drama List synopsis.
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  I don't know why I'm already laughing.
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  OK. Fran Guanxi, a cocky law
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  student, seems to lead the perfect life.
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  He's the sole successor to a huge and famous business and is
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  a talented ice hockey player. But in reality, his lonely life
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  lacks joy, laughter, and motivation.
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  That is until he meets Liang Mushang MU Sheng, the new Bento
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  seller at his school canteen. A harmless bet Harmless.
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  OK brings the two together. Guangxi slowly changes as MU
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  Sheng teaches him how to give and love.
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  Tragedy strikes when Guangxi suddenly has to go through a
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  major brain surgery which causes him to lose his memory.
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  So for those of you who didn't quite catch that this is an
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  amnesia plot line, OK, A very iconic amnesia plotline.
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  This whole show is pretty iconic.
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  OK, so it aired in October 2009. You heard that 2009 and it ended
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  in February of 2010. So a good several months on
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  there that this was airing. It's about 34 episodes long, but
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  I think when it was airing, it was airing an hour and a half
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  episodes, so they were airing it on TV as 21 episodes.
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  OK, OK. Yeah, when I watched it, I
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  watched it on Crunchyroll. That was like when Crunchyroll
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  had C dramas and K dramas. So yeah, that was a long time
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  ago. Yeah, So it's The show is
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  written and directed by 10 Wei Ling.
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  She the most recent thing that she's done is The Left Ear from
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  2023. She's also done Material Queen,
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  Year of the Rain, The Shining Days.
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  One minute more. I don't know if you've seen
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  anything from this writer director.
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  Me neither. All right.
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  It's written by Frankie Chen, and she's also been a producer
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  for these two. I threw in there because I
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  recognize them. Frankie Chen has produced Fated
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  to Love You from 2008. Oh my gosh, the original. 08/08
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  An easy fortune, happy life from 2009.
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  Oh I love OK OK now I just pulled her up because I love
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  Ying Yang 3. OK.
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  But one it is so it's a high school drama.
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  It was so good. And I remember I saw it in Ghana
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  on the Internet. I used to skip school for that
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  one. And then yeah, yeah.
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  Like I was. That's if I say Ying Yi 3, my
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  siblings automatically say tier one, like just to that's how
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  much we loved it. Oh.
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  Oh my gosh, so you and Frankie Chen have a good history.
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  You and the screenwriter. Nice.
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  And then she's also written the wolf from 2020, which I thought
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  was hysterical. I I remember watching this.
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  It's a sea drama. It he like it's a, it's like a
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  feral child type deal. He's like raised by wolves and
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  then he grows up to be this very powerful general with like wolf
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  like tendencies. It's weird.
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  I didn't finish it. I couldn't finish it, but she
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  wrote The Wolf, so I think everyone would probably just
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  want us to skip to the cast. So the cast for Autumns Ganjerto
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  is Vanis Wu as Rang Guanxi. He's been in, I don't know,
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  Meteor Garden from 2001 and the sequel Meteor Garden Two.
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  That is where everyone he is part of F4.
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  Yes. Like everyone knows Venice from
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  Meteor Garden. He's that guy.
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  And then he went on to have like a successful career and he's a
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  mogul basically now. He sings, he dances, he
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  produces, and he hasn't done a drama since 2018.
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  For those of you who like to follow me over on the drama trio
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  on Liliana's podcast Tian Soju, we did a review of the Princess
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  Wei Young, which Venice is also in that show.
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  That's a classic 26 I know. So all this to say, Venice is
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  the male lead of Autumn's concerto, his Co star.
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  The female lead is Addie Ann. She plays.
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  Oh my God, she is gorgeous. Stunning.
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  I was watching it again yesterday and I'm just like now
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  wait a minute, I I don't remember her being this
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  beautiful. What the hell?
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  Right. And in like 2008 get up like.
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  That's a belt with a belt on the hips and the layering of the
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  tank. The.
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  Layering of the tank tops killed me.
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  Oh my gosh, the severe. Bangs.
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  Oh man. So then that's her and then
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  Benny Wen plays Xiaola, the little boy, their son, and then
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  Chris Wu. Not that Chris Wu, not with AK
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  Chris spelled Chris Wu plays Hartwell.
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  Yeah, and he's the second male lead.
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  That's this show was his first drama role ever and he's
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  actually been consist more consistently acting then the
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  rest of the cast. Like he has a lot of filmography
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  to his name actually. And then the last person I'll
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  say is Tiffany Hsu, who plays Yi Chian slash Emily.
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  She's the second female lead and I know her from it started with
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  a kiss slash, They Kiss Again, which is a really old show,
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  2005. And then they the sequel They
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  Kiss Again is from O7. When I saw her, I like flipped
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  out. I was like, Oh my God, I
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  remember this girl. So deep is so deep.
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  So this is the main cast. This is a large ensemble cast.
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  Like, there's more people from the village and there's more
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  people from the families and stuff, but really, this is our
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  core cast. So what do you like, what do you
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  think about this cast? And after that, what do you
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  think about Autumns Concerto? OK, I love the cast.
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  I'll start with the cast. I love the cast.
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  I think they fit well together. I think Tiffany Shoe, by the
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  time I had watched her in this, seemed to always play this role.
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  Uh huh. Of like, I love the guy, he
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  likes someone else, you know, circumstances or her forces him
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  to be with her. She discovers or she finally
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  accepts that he doesn't like her.
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  Like she'd been typecast into a role like that for a while.
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  And so when I saw her in this, I just here we go again, of
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  course. But she's she's really good at
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  playing that. Yeah, like this long-suffering
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  second female lead who's not. There's nothing inherently wrong
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  with her, she's just a wrong one.
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  Wrong. Exactly, exactly.
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  And then we come to Addie. I don't think I've seen her in
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  anything else, or I can't remember if I've seen her in
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  anything else, but loved her in this.
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  I loved how she she had spunk and yet she was just like this
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  delicate flower you wanted to protect.
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  Yeah, she was very. Well, Chang was the.
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  Domestic complicate. She was domestic and I think
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  when I, so I saw Mars before I saw this one and I think it had
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  sort of that very similar line of trigger warning the family
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  member wanting to have their way with her and it just, it just
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  made me feel a type of way when I saw it again.
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  This OK for those who don't know, like if the plot that I
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  read the synopsis didn't give it away.
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  This is a heavy-handed melodrama.
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  It is a vintage drama. You have a lot of toxicity
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  coming from the male lead at various points in the show.
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  You have a very calm, shy domestic female lead who's but
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  just perfect in every way. Like she's just a pleasant
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  personality. And you have to obviously
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  there's love rivals. You have to a female, a second
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  female lead and a second male lead, Amnesia, a disapproving
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  parents, a love child like you would name it.
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  It's in this show. So and it the the fact that
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  everything is in this show, like Arroco Mango is just everything.
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  And the fact that I still, it's still holds such a special spot
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  in my heart. Like, I don't know why me, along
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  with everybody else who loves a show and remembers it and has
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  nostalgia for it, there's something about it.
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  Like, I don't know, it's there's a lot of stuff that would never
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  fly today in the show, but for some reason I'm watching it and
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  I'm like, but like, I could see, I could see the way out.
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  Like it's not that bad. I agree the show itself I think
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  I I forgot everything that happened before they got
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  together because it was very like you said it was vintage so
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  the guys were just obnoxious, annoying, borderline bullying.
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  But then also you're the only person I want to protect and I'm
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  just like where's the gross Y'all are so stuck.
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  Today it's bad, it's bad. Oh, before we go any further,
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  this episode, just like every other Chinese drama review that
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  we do on Tabak. No non spoiler section.
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  OK, we will be spoiling this from the gecko.
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  We've already said a bunch of stuff already and the synopsis
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  of the show already gave away a lot.
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  I think like a big part of the show, which is the amnesia
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  plotline. But obviously if you don't care
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  about spoilers, then keep listening.
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  Or if you've watched the show, keep listening.
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  But if you if you really want to preserve your first watch of the
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  show, then come back later after you've watched it.
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  But obviously we're going to have a lot of fun just talking
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  about this openly from the get go.
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  This is not a traditional episode of Tabak.
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  Just like all the other Chinese dramas.
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  We're going to spoil it. We're going to come in hot with
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  the spoilers, so keep going. Back to you, girl.
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  OK, I will. I will preface this with I love
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  I don't love an amnesia trope, but I love the love child trope.
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  Right, that's a. Great point.
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  My first ever spicy romance book that I wrote when I was in grade
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  6 was a story of a love child situation.
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  You wrote Wait I gotta unpack this way.
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  You wrote a love child like fiction story.
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  Spicy. Spicy story in story What?
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  What grade was it? Six Grade 6.
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  Let me tell you, I still have it but it's like I've hidden it.
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  But it is the IT was the worst experience because my dad found
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  it and and my dad woke me up in the middle of the night and he
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  was with my mom and they read my book out loud to me.
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  No. And yo, it's traumatic.
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  That's why the book is hidden. It's just, it's just in my
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  closet somewhere. I have chills right now.
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  I have chills. This really happened to you?
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  This happened to you? It was so bad.
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  It was so bad. I.
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  Don't know how we do. We have to unpack this trauma
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  right now. There's so much trauma in this
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  show and you're just like, this happened to me.
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  Like, so you said this so nonchalantly.
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  I have to say this is kind of traumatic.
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  My mom, my dad was sitting at the end of the table and my mom
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  by him and my mom was just crying through like sorry,
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  what's the age limit on your thing?
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  H limit. Oh, no, no.
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  OK, my dad was reading about this character like getting a
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  blowjob Cornelingus. There was like BDSM and my and
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  my mom, my mom is freaking out because she's like, where did
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  you where did you get this? Like, why do you know that?
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  And she's crying and they're both in the ministry or were in
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  the ministry. So it was, it was a lot.
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  It was a lot for them, but. It is a pastor's kid.
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  Oh yeah. I had no idea until right now.
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  This changes everything. I'm even more traumatized for
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  you. Oh my God.
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  Yeah, so. OK.
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  I love this trope. OK, so you love the you were you
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  were writing this trope when you were in 6th grade.
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  Yes. OK OK and for those who have
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  never watched the show and you're just listening for shits
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  and gigs, even though even though you don't care about
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  spoilers or whatever, this show doesn't have any blow jobs or
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  BDSM or anything like that. Like Carol took it a step
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  further. This show is very vanilla OK
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  compared to her for fan fake that she wrote in 6th grade.
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  Oh my God, that is very true. People, This is a good show.
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  It's a family show, if you will. It's a.
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  Family show. OK, I'm trying not to wheeze in
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  the mic right now because oh man, let's get back on topic.
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  Let's get back to Autumn's concerto.
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  So oh man, sorry, sorry. So when he starts like courting
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  her, I was just like, you're so annoying.
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  And the whole like bets thing. Let's make a bet if you can.
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  You know, I was just like. Fell.
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  It felt very it felt very much like Meteor Garden.
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  Yeah, yeah. I was just like, OK, this is the
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  Rove Vanessa place. OK, fine.
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  I mean, I will take it. And him and his T-shirts with
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  the deep, wide beast. Carol, I'm losing myself over
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  here. I can't even breathe right.
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  The OK, they gave Venice like the sluttiest outfits for this
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  show because he had like those deep VS like you could see his
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  chest for like a lot of the show.
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  And let me tell you, he had no business.
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  Wearing the the clothes were not wearing him.
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  He was wearing the clothes and he looked too good.
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  Like Van Ness looked so good, so good in the show even today,
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  like even his hair and stuff. I was like, I can deal with
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  that. Like like the Bieber cut, the
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  aggressive shaggy hair that he had in the front half of the
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  show. I was like, it's whatever.
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  Like it's fine. He looks so good it doesn't even
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  matter. And then later when he cuts it
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  as an adult, forget it, forget it.
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  He's going to hurt. Oh my God, the gratuity of the
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  shirtless scenes with the and the and the shower shots with
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  Venice. I was like how?
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  Is remember, remember that scene where he takes a shower?
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  He forces her to come to his place right to marry him.
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  Oh yeah. And then he goes to take a
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  shower and he comes back and I was just like, what am I
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  supposed to be thinking right now?
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  What am I? I know, I know because she feels
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  so this is we're jumping around crazy right now.
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  But anyway, this is later in the show.
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  OK. And yeah, 'cause she feels super
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  uncomfortable, she's walking on egg shells around him, 'cause
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  he's super volatile at this point in the show, He's he's
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  testing her and trying to get her to prove her sincerity and
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  her love for him. He doesn't know how she feels.
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  Instead of asking her outright and waiting to hear her answer,
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  he's just like, rolling with it, like steamrolling career.
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  And he gets out of the shower looking like he does, looking
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  like he does. And I'm like, baby, you can save
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  him. Like you can change him.
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  It's OK. Anything is possible.
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  Anything is POD just pray for him and like move, move on.
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  Like just it's very, it's conflicting because where, why
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  do I feel the feminism like leaving my body?
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  You know what I'm saying? Oh.
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  My God. But then the next scene is so
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  brutal because he like, really comes on to her.
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  It's like an attempted sexual assault.
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  And I'm like feeling so badly for her.
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  She's crying. And he, he's like, why are you?
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  Why are you crying? And I'm like, look what's
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  happening. Like, oh, man, it's bad.
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  It's so toxic. It's just like a red flag.
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  Like once you see a green flag from him, you'll see like 10 red
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  flags. It's like, no, yeah.
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  He wasn't, he wasn't a stable character like like her friend
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  was Chris Wu's character, but even Chris Wu's character
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  towards the end, I was just like, I can't deal with you.
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  I'm just gonna. Get so my problem with the
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  second male lead in this is that he was nice to her to get
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  something out of her. Oh.
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  Tell me, is this a is this a hot take?
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  So weird. If you have never watched this
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  show you are lost but I'm sorry. So the second middle lead Hua
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  tho ye like he was nice to her and stayed in touch with her and
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  helped her out. Took her to his town to live
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  even though she was pregnant with the baby and stuff.
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  All because he was hoping that she would give him a shot, that
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  he would be the guy for her. And there was at no point, even
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  though he never forced anything on her.
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  Yeah, That doesn't negate the fact that if she outright said,
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  why don't you just stop with this little game that you're
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  playing, I'm not gonna be with you ever.
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  You have a 0% chance he would have like cut her off.
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  To me. I girl, I don't know, I'm
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  feeling like he was doing it all just to.
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  I agree, he was doing it all just to like be around and then
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  eventually she'll see my worth and she'll give me a shot.
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  Correct, correct. But I think that.
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  Wrong. Is it wrong?
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  Is it wrong? I think you should be nice to
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  people because they're your friends.
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  You have you have things in common, you enjoy their company,
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  not because I'm going to get something out of them.
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  OK. You know they have inherent
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  worth. I OK, I feel.
• 25:17
  Me like he was like oh like he was doing too much.
• 25:23
  If he did he he thought he had zero chance with her, that
• 25:27
  relationship would have been a fraction of what it was.
• 25:31
  Ah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Because when you think about it,
• 25:37
  he just sort of left her in the village.
• 25:40
  He wasn't always around her, at least what they showed us.
• 25:44
  Until our guy comes to the village and he hears the name
• 25:52
  and then all of a sudden he's crowding her again.
• 25:56
  Right. But he was, he was over here.
• 25:59
  Like giving the kid a bath. Oh, that.
• 26:03
  That scene was so cute. Well, well, so I had issues with
• 26:09
  this because. Wait, wait, wait, wait wait
• 26:11
  which? Which?
• 26:12
  Who are you talking about? I'm talking about the second
• 26:14
  male lead. That the second male lead was
• 26:16
  like, oh, like let's go. I'll give you, I'll give what's
• 26:19
  the kid's name? Xiaola.
• 26:23
  A bath, like bath time or whatever, 'cause she's doing
• 26:26
  everything. She's a single mom, Yeah.
• 26:28
  So he's helping her out every so often and coming over to play
• 26:33
  with the kid and just take care of him.
• 26:35
  And I was like, bath time is not something that I would assign,
• 26:39
  you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.
• 26:42
  Why don't you wash the dishes and then I'll go give my child
• 26:46
  the bath like there was. I've watched too much true crime
• 26:51
  lately and I grew up in a Hispanic household that's like,
• 26:57
  no. OK.
• 26:59
  Absolutely not I. I get you.
• 27:03
  And at the same time, I think like there was that culture of
• 27:09
  going to bath houses together and and you know, taking care of
• 27:14
  the kid and you could say he did change this kids diapers and
• 27:19
  he's like he's like an uncle to the kid again.
• 27:24
  Would I do it? No showing what I know, but but
• 27:30
  at the same time, you could have said, well, he would have been a
• 27:35
  better option than Vanessa having that shower scene with
• 27:41
  the kid that was that would be too much.
• 27:45
  Come on, that's. Controversial.
• 27:47
  So you think that the second my lead should have had this?
• 27:52
  Like that scene with Shaola? If the scene were to be had, I
• 27:59
  think. This is a true rambles.
• 28:01
  Let me just say like we are literally like going to the
• 28:04
  minutiae right now and we're we're not even at the beginning
• 28:08
  of the show. We are nowhere near the
• 28:10
  beginning of the show. So.
• 28:12
  OK, we'll, we'll bring it back. We'll we'll, we'll rewind it,
• 28:15
  but OK, OK. What's your thoughts on this?
• 28:18
  If that scene were to be had right, I would rather an uncle
• 28:27
  air quotes who has been with him from beginning till now have
• 28:33
  that, you know, having a shower with him for him, whatever you
• 28:38
  want to call it versus someone who was in my past showed up.
• 28:44
  It's been like what, maybe 3 weeks and you're having not a
• 28:48
  shower with your kid? It hasn't even been three weeks.
• 28:52
  I think he was there for a week. Exactly.
• 28:54
  Ain't no way. Ain't no way.
• 28:56
  So I agree with that. No, I agree with that second
• 28:59
  part where you were like, I don't agree with the biological
• 29:03
  dad basically having this, this. Moment.
• 29:08
  License to take a bath, a literal bath with his biological
• 29:14
  son Shaola, who has they know either.
• 29:18
  Neither of them has any idea that they're blood relation.
• 29:22
  Exactly. And when they cut to I, I
• 29:25
  blocked this from my memory. So he goes, oh, I'm going to
• 29:28
  give him a bath. And I was like, give him a bath.
• 29:29
  I had this reaction. I was like, why is he going to
• 29:33
  give him a bath? I understand.
• 29:34
  Like, we as the audience know he's the dad.
• 29:37
  He has no idea. The kid has no idea.
• 29:38
  The mom, MU Cheng, why would she allow this, especially with the
• 29:45
  fiance's right there, like his fiancee, Yu Chiang showing up
• 29:49
  that night. And why is this OK?
• 29:52
  So then they cut to them having this bath, which I thought I
• 29:59
  literally blocked it because I thought, oh, he's going to be
• 30:01
  giving the kid a bath. No, they're sitting in this tiny
• 30:05
  tub. Van Ness is butt naked.
• 30:09
  There's a little, like, towel on top of his private parts.
• 30:15
  And he's literally giving this kid a bath, like scrubbing them
• 30:18
  down. They're full of bubbles.
• 30:19
  And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 30:25
  I couldn't believe it. I was like, how did I forget
• 30:29
  this? And yeah, absolutely.
• 30:32
  There's a bath culture in in Southeast Asia.
• 30:36
  Yeah, bath house culture. But this took me clean out.
• 30:40
  Like, I was like, Oh my God, this is so wrong on so many
• 30:44
  levels. I Yes.
• 30:47
  OK, we're on the same. Page.
• 30:49
  No, we're on the same page. You're just saying the lesser of
• 30:53
  two evils would have been to have that scene with the second
• 30:56
  Mill lead. Exactly.
• 30:58
  Who literally was the like held him first when he was a child,
• 31:01
  when he was a exactly. I see what you're saying, but
• 31:06
  like it's it's a no on both counts for me.
• 31:09
  Like if I was her, I would have been like nobody gets to get my
• 31:12
  get a math, just me. So it's it was rough.
• 31:16
  It was rough. So let's let's rewind it.
• 31:19
  Let's rewind it back and go to the beginning of the ship.
• 31:22
  No, it's fine. So oh man, so we were talking
• 31:26
  about bets and stuff. So this is let's talk about
• 31:30
  episode one and two, because this meet cue is bizarre.
• 31:34
  It is so bizarre. There's like she's a fish.
• 31:40
  She works in the fish market in this town, I think outside of
• 31:45
  Taipei is what I understand. And she gets this giant grouper
• 31:51
  in a bag that's comically the fish is too large or the bag is
• 31:56
  too small and there's a little bit of water in it.
• 31:59
  And they're like, you got to get home inside an hour so that that
• 32:02
  fish is still alive. And she's like, OK, she's on a
• 32:05
  time assignment. She gets on this bus.
• 32:09
  Who stops the bus with his erratic driving?
• 32:13
  The male lead gunshit. He stops traffic and they're
• 32:19
  he's having this argument with this girl in the car.
• 32:21
  He's got like a girlfriend, quasi girlfriend.
• 32:23
  He's trying to break up with her.
• 32:24
  She's like no like begging him not to break up with her.
• 32:27
  And I'm like don't beg, don't beg.
• 32:29
  And then on the street girl like it was bad and he's treating her
• 32:32
  like shit. It's just so bad.
• 32:34
  It's so bad. So everyone starts getting off
• 32:37
  the bus because he's not moving the car.
• 32:41
  She goes over to try and get him to move.
• 32:44
  There's some arm grabbing that's happening.
• 32:46
  She's like, how about I help you move the car?
• 32:50
  Cut. He tricks her into reversing the
• 32:52
  car. She has no license, never driven
• 32:54
  a car in her life. Then how is she volunteering to
• 32:57
  move? The car.
• 32:58
  Why are you volunteering to move the car, babe?
• 33:01
  It's like she reverses into the bus.
• 33:06
  They it's like a police station thing.
• 33:11
  It, it's, it's so weird this girl and this guy get together
• 33:18
  like that's their me cue, That's their me cue.
• 33:22
  You forgot to say the water evaporated out of the bag the
• 33:27
  fish was in. Because when he's pulled in
• 33:29
  front of the bus, the bus made a sudden stop and the fish flew
• 33:34
  out of her hands and fell and rolled down the bus and it
• 33:39
  busted a hole in the bag with the, that the grouper was in.
• 33:42
  And it was like a little stream of water coming out of the bag.
• 33:47
  I'm like, girl, pinch the hole shut.
• 33:49
  Like, why, why was she holding it up?
• 33:51
  Like, I gotta get home? Like just letting the water go.
• 33:53
  Like I was like, pinch the hole shut and then deal with the
• 33:58
  issue because letting the leak continue to happen like I, I
• 34:03
  was. So it's, it's confounding.
• 34:05
  A lot of stuff in this show, again, would not fly because
• 34:08
  there's a lot of tiny little things that would bother the
• 34:11
  shit out of you if you thought about it for two seconds, and
• 34:15
  that's one of them. It's like, OK, why is she
• 34:17
  running around with the grouper and the bag is still leaking?
• 34:22
  Like she's not making any attempt to stop the leak in the
• 34:24
  bag. She's like, I gotta go home.
• 34:26
  I'm like, girl, plug the hole. Do nothing.
• 34:32
  Do. Something.
• 34:33
  That's why she's gone. I I know the fish is done for if
• 34:38
  you're going to stay like that, so.
• 34:40
  Then he tosses it in the trash. Oh, because they're at the
• 34:44
  police station and he swears up and down that the girl that he
• 34:47
  was sitting in the car with, he doesn't know her, the girlfriend
• 34:50
  that he was with is actually the girl on the bus.
• 34:53
  He's complete lying, like straight up lying.
• 34:58
  And he, he tells, he gives you this quick stop, stop story.
• 35:02
  He's like, oh, I have PTSD from losing my father when I was
• 35:05
  eight. I have a history of mental
• 35:06
  illness. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 35:10
  whoa. She feels bad for like a split
• 35:12
  second. And he goes he he kachi like he
• 35:15
  is straight up a menace, a menace to society.
• 35:20
  And that's what she ended up. With that's what she ended up
• 35:23
  with, that's the man of her. That's the love of her life
• 35:26
  right there. And yeah, he touches the fish in
• 35:29
  the trash. She's like, can we just deal
• 35:31
  with this later? Like, I'll compensate you.
• 35:33
  Whatever. I gotta go home.
• 35:34
  He literally rips the fish, which has, no, it's sitting in
• 35:37
  no water at this point and still like, writhing around in there.
• 35:42
  I was like, PETA would be all over their asses and pisses on
• 35:45
  the face all over their asses. And he throws her fish in the
• 35:51
  trash. Oh God.
• 35:54
  But then it gets worse because she has a creeper of a step dad
• 35:58
  at home. Oh my God.
• 36:00
  And this is what you were saying that like these, these old
• 36:03
  school KK drums all, well, any drama, any Asian drama at this
• 36:07
  point in time, these vintage dramas have like hellish home
• 36:11
  lives for the female leads. And if they have bonus points if
• 36:16
  they have some sort of, they're fielding some sort of sexual
• 36:19
  advances from a family member, which is what's happening to
• 36:23
  her. It's horrible.
• 36:24
  Yeah, so she, her parents had died early because, you know, he
• 36:31
  has to make the female lead. Suffer.
• 36:35
  She has to be suffering the whole time.
• 36:38
  The whole time she suffered the whole show.
• 36:42
  Literally the whole show she's suffering.
• 36:45
  Oh my gosh, it just clicked for me.
• 36:47
  Like what the hell. Uh huh.
• 36:48
  She. She wouldn't know the definition
• 36:51
  of soft life if it hit her. No.
• 36:54
  OK, so her parents are dead. She's living with an aunt.
• 37:00
  Aunt. That was her stepmom.
• 37:04
  Do you remember? Like her dad died.
• 37:06
  This was the intro to the whole show, was that she was playing
• 37:09
  the piano, she was taking piano lessons, and her stepmom was
• 37:13
  there with the teacher and picking her up and stuff.
• 37:17
  I mean, really nice to her, really pleasant to her.
• 37:20
  And then it was her birthday. Do you remember?
• 37:23
  Her dad was there, picked him up, and the stepmom was like,
• 37:27
  oh, let's go pick up a cake for your birthday.
• 37:28
  A cake. The.
• 37:30
  Dad literally gets run down in the street, someone runs him
• 37:35
  over and he dies on her birthday and so she gets stuck with a
• 37:40
  stepmom. You can't even make it.
• 37:45
  You can't even make it up. You think you think the mock
• 37:48
  Jong plot plots of today are bad?
• 37:52
  Watch like the The real vintage dramas are like Hold My Purse.
• 38:01
  We are the blueprints. Honestly.
• 38:03
  Honestly. So then she's stuck with the
• 38:04
  stand bomb. The stand bomb tries to abandon
• 38:06
  her on the bus. Do you remember?
• 38:09
  I remember, I remember that. 'Cause she falls asleep on the
• 38:13
  bus and the lady like, gets up to leave and actually makes it
• 38:16
  off the bus before she realized it, before Moo Chung realizes
• 38:20
  that she's left alone and gets off and gets her.
• 38:23
  So while she's growing up, she's like, I can't fall asleep.
• 38:26
  I can't like let my guard down because I'll just get abandoned.
• 38:30
  She's always anxious. Yeah.
• 38:33
  And you tell me, is this one she wanted to end up with?
• 38:37
  That's the man, that's the man she wants to be some peer
• 38:42
  stress, peer stress. So but but then the this stepmom
• 38:47
  gets with the creeper. Yeah.
• 38:50
  And the creeper has been creeping on her for years and
• 38:54
  years. She's got three locks on her
• 38:56
  door. She's got a plank of wood that
• 38:59
  she puts on the window before she takes a shower so that he
• 39:02
  doesn't peep on her. And she's just terrified.
• 39:06
  She's terrified at all times. Her stepmom was a pygmy.
• 39:11
  Oh, oh, the pygmy to end all pygmies.
• 39:14
  Oh, how do you like actively put the girl in danger?
• 39:20
  And you know, deep down, that's the thing.
• 39:23
  Deep down you know the man you have picked.
• 39:26
  Yeah, because he was feeling up on her and like, giving her
• 39:30
  money and stuff when they were in dire straits back when she
• 39:35
  was a child. You're telling me you trust him
• 39:39
  implicitly? No.
• 39:44
  Foul. It's just foulness.
• 39:46
  It's ugliness. So then we cut to she's older,
• 39:49
  we got the fish scenario, the meat cube and this dude like
• 39:55
  this male lead despite him being like so fine he is making bets
• 40:03
  with his friends group. To seduce girls at the school
• 40:08
  'cause he's in law school and his mom owns the school there,
• 40:12
  he's filthy rich and his mom owns the school.
• 40:15
  It's giving boys over flowers. It's giving, you know, like it's
• 40:20
  giving Meteor Garden. So he has seduced thus far the
• 40:25
  the most 7 beautiful girls in the school on campus.
• 40:30
  And I think the one that we see last is he gives like this, she
• 40:37
  take this girl again, they're all just trying to declare their
• 40:39
  love for him and get him to not leave them.
• 40:42
  And she like removes all the jewelry back in the car, right
• 40:47
  in front of the bus. She like takes off all her
• 40:48
  jewelry. She's like, look, take my
• 40:51
  jewelry or whatever. Like I know I got it from some
• 40:53
  other guy, but I'm loyal to you. I won't wear this guy's jewelry
• 40:56
  no more. Whatever.
• 40:57
  And I'm like, why are you taking off your rings and watch girl?
• 41:00
  Like stop. So he takes this jewelry and
• 41:05
  gives it to like a nerd that's there with his friends group and
• 41:12
  tells him oh pay off your debts or pay for your tuition or
• 41:15
  whatever because apparently he did this job specifically
• 41:18
  because the nerd was rejected by this girl.
• 41:23
  So what they are trying to tell us is our male lead is an A
• 41:28
  hole. Yeah, he's an A hole with a
• 41:30
  heart. OK.
• 41:32
  He's all about equity and inclusion.
• 41:37
  Well, he thinks that all women are hypocrites stemming from his
• 41:41
  mommy issues because yes, because he's got major mommy
• 41:45
  issues. His mom is a bitch and she he
• 41:50
  thinks that she's the one that drove his dad to suicide 'cause
• 41:55
  they divorced and then his dad committed suicide and he blamed
• 42:00
  her for this whole thing and. That is why he was acting out
• 42:05
  the whole time. Literally the whole show he's
• 42:09
  just acting wrong. But I will, you know what?
• 42:14
  I'll give it to him, though, when he got his memory back and
• 42:17
  he had a conversation with his mom and he's like, I'm back.
• 42:23
  I'm not going to be like the boy who just listens to you.
• 42:27
  I was like, OK, I love that. I love that for you.
• 42:31
  Because what I feel like what he was trying to say then was you
• 42:34
  can't control me. I'm unpredictable.
• 42:36
  He's that character that you're like, don't let them know your
• 42:39
  next move. That's that's.
• 42:43
  Don't let them know your next move.
• 42:45
  Keep them on their toes. Exactly.
• 42:48
  You just don't know what he was going to do next.
• 42:51
  No, he was a wild card. He's an absolute wild card.
• 42:55
  So there's this whole thing that happens on episode one, but at
• 42:59
  the end of the day, he tries to get with Moochang Moochang the
• 43:03
  the female lead. He's his.
• 43:05
  She's his next target and lame. But the step mom.
• 43:13
  I have this quote here. I didn't take like any notes
• 43:16
  just in the first few episodes, but what I have here from the
• 43:19
  step, I was like so flabbergasted.
• 43:20
  I took this note down, 'cause the mom, the step mom, is
• 43:24
  thrilled that he is going for her.
• 43:28
  She says you still win even if he violates you.
• 43:35
  I had to sit back in my chair. I was like, that is probably one
• 43:39
  of the worst things I've ever heard a female character say.
• 43:42
  In a drama, Yeah, she. Was like, you have to go On this
• 43:46
  date with this guy, you have to go where he tells you this, you
• 43:50
  gotta you gotta get out of jail free car.
• 43:52
  Basically this is your ticket out 'cause they're poor.
• 43:57
  And she said you still win even if he violates you.
• 44:02
  That's trash. That's what I'm saying.
• 44:06
  She's a pic me. She's not a girl's girl.
• 44:10
  She was terrible and her whole her whole thing was having a man
• 44:18
  to provide for her to like it was more than just provision.
• 44:23
  It was also a status thing. It was like it was just too much
• 44:26
  with. Her, it was a lot.
• 44:27
  It was a lot. So that's episodes one and two.
• 44:31
  So there you go. That's giving you a lot of
• 44:33
  context for where we're starting in the story.
• 44:38
  The last thing that home girl was playing on the piano before
• 44:41
  her dad died on her birthday was Box Concerto in G major.
• 44:46
  I'll give you 1 fucking guess as to what his dad played him
• 44:52
  because he was a music teacher at the same school at the same
• 44:55
  college. I'll give you one guess as to
• 44:58
  what the guy, the guy's dad, would play him in this beautiful
• 45:04
  piano in this hall. It is a drama, it is.
• 45:10
  Fox Concerto and G Major So so she goes over to the abandoned
• 45:18
  hall that he basically it's a shrine to his dad.
• 45:22
  Like everything's as he left it in this Music Hall.
• 45:26
  There are no classes conducted in there at all.
• 45:29
  And she starts playing the piano and she is really bad at playing
• 45:34
  the piano. Let me just say, I know it's
• 45:36
  been many years since she's played the piano.
• 45:40
  Every time she played I was like, damn, she sucks.
• 45:42
  Like I was like, oh God, it's just bad.
• 45:46
  So she starts playing the piano and he's there and he's like,
• 45:49
  why are you playing the piano? Of course.
• 45:51
  He goes ape. She of course he does because
• 45:56
  why are you playing that particular song in that shrine
• 46:00
  when no one is supposed to be there and I know we had a hand
• 46:05
  grab a like a classic roughness to the treatment he.
• 46:13
  Tells her she's defiled the piano with her filthy hands,
• 46:19
  that she would sell her own body and it wouldn't be enough to
• 46:24
  cover like the injustice of what she's done to the piano.
• 46:29
  And I was like, what the fuck? She just basically says like,
• 46:37
  what do you want? Like, what do you want from me?
• 46:39
  Like, 'cause she's already been apologizing this whole time and
• 46:43
  because she has negated him like for two 2 1/2 episodes so far,
• 46:48
  he says, like, I want to win this bet to to, you know,
• 46:52
  conquer you or whatever. So he tells her to strip.
• 46:57
  And then? I beg your pardon?
• 47:02
  And she begins to and she starts, she starts, oh, she's
• 47:04
  like, what's wrong with this girl?
• 47:09
  Oh my God, what a battered woman.
• 47:12
  It's so like so. And her ugly stepdad was oh.
• 47:20
  Yeah, 'cause yeah, Oh my God. So then she starts guilting him
• 47:26
  and says what fun lies in a woman having to degrade herself
• 47:28
  in front of a man? He actually takes it very well
• 47:33
  the guilt trip that she puts on him and her like fat ass tears
• 47:37
  that are falling and she's like unbuttoning her blouse ever so
• 47:41
  slowly, like she's not really stripping all that fast at all.
• 47:46
  But he gets guilted and he tells her to stop.
• 47:50
  She says all men are the same. She says something like that to
• 47:53
  him in his face and he immediately clocks it and he
• 47:59
  goes all men. Who else is doing this to you?
• 48:04
  And I was like, oh God, this is this is such a microtrope where
• 48:09
  it's like can't touch her, like she's mine, Like who else is
• 48:13
  doing this? That's my woman, blah, blah,
• 48:15
  blah. And like it, it hit me like a
• 48:18
  ton of bricks. I was like, oh man, am I still
• 48:21
  susceptible to this? Like manipulation?
• 48:24
  I'll. Kill whoever touches you.
• 48:26
  Oh my God. Shit.
• 48:29
  So we're having a time over here.
• 48:34
  OK, so he first of all I call bullshit that he even realizes
• 48:40
  that she's being harassed by someone else.
• 48:43
  Right. OK, so this is this is a
• 48:46
  question I wanted to ask though. So our guy is in this law
• 48:51
  school. Or he's been there for a while.
• 48:55
  OK, that's what I was going to say.
• 48:56
  He's been there for a while. He's intentionally not
• 48:59
  graduating. He's emotionally stunted, not
• 49:04
  very socially skilled and correct.
• 49:07
  He's able to clock. That's someone that's BS.
• 49:12
  No, no, pardon me, but no fucking way.
• 49:18
  So there. He's there, going who?
• 49:21
  Who else is doing this to you? The creeper stepdad?
• 49:26
  He's not. They're not even married like
• 49:27
  her. He is just the boyfriend of her
• 49:31
  stepmom. A long time boyfriend.
• 49:33
  Long time boyfriend So he's out there peeping on them.
• 49:36
  He makes some noise. He the male league goes out
• 49:39
  there to investigate and he's like, who's out there, blah,
• 49:41
  blah, blah. They get locked in the abandoned
• 49:44
  building. Of course they do.
• 49:50
  So if this is your, if this is also your microtrope that like
• 49:53
  they get locked in the room together.
• 49:56
  I have good news for you 'cause this happens like a couple of
• 49:58
  times in the show, but they find the bird.
• 50:04
  There's like a bird with an injured wing in there.
• 50:05
  He tells the story of how the music director of the building
• 50:11
  was here and he taught his son how to rollerblade in this very
• 50:16
  room. And the he dropped his kid on
• 50:20
  purpose and because the kid fell and scraped the tile, this is
• 50:26
  the mark of that. And the kid was so upset, like
• 50:29
  this huge sob story, right, of him and his dad.
• 50:32
  He's not naming names, but she, she's smart.
• 50:34
  She's like, OK, so you, you and your dad were in this room and
• 50:41
  you have like a little daddy issues story and that's why you
• 50:44
  keep coming back. You miss your dad.
• 50:45
  Whatever he had the key the whole time.
• 50:50
  They could have gotten at gotten out of this room at any point.
• 50:54
  It it was. It was just.
• 50:56
  You just reminded me of that. Yeah, like he is such a problem,
• 51:02
  but then at the end of the episode, I buy stock in the sky
• 51:07
  like I buy stock in the mail. Leave because he announces that
• 51:11
  he's lost the bet to kiss her in 24 within 24 hours, even though
• 51:16
  he has kissed her within the. 24 hour has proof.
• 51:19
  And has proof. Yeah.
• 51:23
  So then he runs around the track in high heels and collapses.
• 51:28
  This is the You get immediately that he is sick, something's
• 51:32
  wrong with him. He keeps fainting.
• 51:35
  Yeah. Because he's fainted even before
• 51:37
  episode 3. So it's at this point when he's
• 51:40
  like, oh, like I lost like she's so wonderful a person, like I
• 51:45
  could I, I didn't get anything out of her.
• 51:48
  So whatever, she's better than me.
• 51:51
  And he takes the the. Heels.
• 51:54
  The heels. And runs around the track.
• 51:57
  This is when I bought stock in this problematic ass dude.
• 52:04
  Do you have the moment that you bought stock in the sky that you
• 52:07
  were like, oh, you know, maybe you?
• 52:11
  Know, you know, as much as we threw shade at it when he
• 52:16
  clocked that she was being harassed.
• 52:19
  Oh. I felt terrible OK my grade 6
• 52:25
  self felt. I got you.
• 52:31
  I got. You and I was just like, oh,
• 52:33
  okay, okay, so he has some good in him.
• 52:37
  I can. I can work with him, I can fix
• 52:40
  it. That's the thing, like you come
• 52:42
  away from the show and you're like, I can fix any man like.
• 52:48
  Exactly. Oh man.
• 52:51
  OK, so then we Fast forward. The step uncle tries to actually
• 52:56
  sexually assault her in this same room because they've agreed
• 52:59
  to meet up here every night so she can play the fucking piano
• 53:02
  for him. It's crazy.
• 53:04
  He beats him up. The meal lead beats up the step
• 53:07
  uncle. Yeah.
• 53:09
  And it's an entire shit show. It's an entire shit show.
• 53:14
  She is devastated because not only did she did he actually
• 53:18
  like the uncle pulled the trigger on this finally and like
• 53:21
  laid hands on her and tried to pay her off.
• 53:24
  He like gave her a wad of money and was like, I'll pay for it
• 53:26
  'cause he was convinced that she was selling herself to the male
• 53:31
  lead. Yeah.
• 53:32
  Like he made-up the story in his head.
• 53:34
  So on top of all that. And and and the not audacity.
• 53:41
  It's just like, well, if he gets you, I get you to the the fuck
• 53:46
  is what? It's like he had this
• 53:48
  entitlement and this possessiveness over her that he
• 53:52
  was like, I've been taking care of you, you're mine.
• 53:54
  I should basically get to be with you.
• 53:58
  Absolutely not. It's problem problem.
• 54:03
  So then to cap it all off, the step aunt, I'm sorry the stepmom
• 54:09
  does not believe her that this guy sexual assault.
• 54:15
  Do you think she did not believe or she chose not to believe?
• 54:19
  Denial. She was in denial, 100% in
• 54:23
  denial, but she was going real hard on that denial because it
• 54:27
  was the way she was talking to the female lead.
• 54:31
  It was so out of pocket. So out of pocket and they have
• 54:38
  this ridiculous hearing. It's like a mock trial type
• 54:43
  deal. And in my memory, I thought it
• 54:47
  was a real trial. No.
• 54:51
  Girl, this was just like at the school.
• 54:54
  They were having an an investigative hearing at the
• 54:57
  school to see who was at fault. Nothing.
• 55:00
  This wasn't criminal at all. What I was watching, I was like,
• 55:03
  hey, so me, my trauma, you're coming to use us to do case
• 55:07
  study in class. Yeah, yeah, there was like mad
• 55:14
  slut shaming. Literally.
• 55:16
  They were calling her a call girl, selling herself in that
• 55:19
  abandoned Music Hall. And it was a really ugly like
• 55:24
  hearing. And they were taking it super
• 55:26
  seriously. And it's at this point that the
• 55:31
  Malee basically confesses to her in the hearing that he basically
• 55:38
  just like she's so innocent and pure and he she made him want to
• 55:42
  be a better person. Yeah.
• 55:45
  And change his philandering ways.
• 55:52
  OK. Yeah, OK.
• 55:54
  So yeah. So then she passes out again,
• 56:00
  though. Oh, keep going.
• 56:01
  What'd you say? I was like, he's like, you're
• 56:03
  this precious egg and you need to be cherished and I'm going to
• 56:09
  change my ways so that I can be the person to cherish you.
• 56:14
  There's something about like the virginal girl thing that is
• 56:19
  rubbing me the wrong. I.
• 56:21
  Know, I know it's like, oh, she's so like, you know,
• 56:28
  precious and innocent and. Fragile.
• 56:34
  Fragile and it's just stop it. Just stop it.
• 56:39
  That's that didn't sit right with me.
• 56:42
  So, but anyway, it's not that she isn't those things, but he's
• 56:48
  like placing a lot of importance on it, I guess.
• 56:51
  And the way that it affects her personality or the way that she
• 56:54
  comes across. Yeah, I agree.
• 56:57
  So yeah, anyway, he passes out after saying, oh, you're gonna,
• 57:03
  you agreed to make me this dinner if I won this case.
• 57:05
  If it's not a fucking case, it's a hearing.
• 57:08
  Anyway, so they do win and they get the footage of the assault,
• 57:13
  which no one's gonna talk about the trauma of.
• 57:16
  They were just calling me names in this crazy ass hearing.
• 57:21
  And you had proof all the time. And then you had they get the
• 57:24
  proof from the girl who stole the CCTV footage and you're just
• 57:29
  gonna play it in front of all these people have nothing to do
• 57:32
  with anything. Like it was like, this is like
• 57:34
  my worst moment in life. Yeah.
• 57:37
  And you're gonna play it here and we're just gonna go home
• 57:40
  after like, nothing like, like. Where is?
• 57:43
  Where is the aftercare? Where is he gonna have
• 57:45
  beforecare? No, nothing, nothing.
• 57:50
  So anyway, this is when it starts to get real crazy.
• 57:54
  Like if you thought it was crazy right now, it gets real even
• 57:56
  more crazy. So then he passes out again.
• 57:59
  Long story short, they take him to the hospital and he's got a 5
• 58:04
  centimeter brain tumor in his frontal temporal lobe.
• 58:06
  He's got mere months to live. He is imminently dying.
• 58:14
  Like tomorrow he could drop dead.
• 58:15
  He could. Just drop dead at any point.
• 58:21
  Listen to me. I think this show is a little
• 58:24
  bit better if you just come in not knowing anything that's.
• 58:28
  True. I think this hits better when
• 58:31
  you don't know anything 'cause when I first watched it I did
• 58:33
  not watch this in O 9 or 2010. I watched it in like 2014, 2015
• 58:39
  around there and it was 445 years removed.
• 58:45
  I think I saw it on Netflix and I didn't read nothing like I I
• 58:51
  just like saw the I just saw the the poster of it on the app and
• 58:58
  was like, I'll just hit play on this girl.
• 59:03
  I was eating that shit up, eating it up because there's
• 59:07
  something about just rolling with the punches on it and you
• 59:12
  already knew there was something wrong with him.
• 59:15
  You just don't know the extent of it.
• 59:17
  So then they tell you he's just, he's terminal like he's it's a
• 59:22
  lot like this show is a lot. So I don't know if we want to
• 59:28
  talk about the second female lead and how her dad is.
• 59:32
  Also I don't understand why she has no characteristics of her
• 59:37
  dad. Right.
• 59:42
  They are nothing alike. So the second female lead, we'll
• 59:46
  just call her Emily. That's her English name in the
• 59:48
  in the show, Emily is a St. Emily.
• 59:55
  Is a St. like Emily is our female lead but with a like I'm
• 1:00:00
  a doctor career. But like, yes, with a career,
• 1:00:04
  yeah. With ambitions, yeah.
• 1:00:09
  Then she also has this father who is literally doing illegal
• 1:00:13
  dealings in his company, like Erin Brockovich style.
• 1:00:18
  Like he's poisoning the water and things like arsenic in the
• 1:00:23
  town that she ends up. Then the female lead ends up
• 1:00:26
  living in because of his glass factories that are around it.
• 1:00:30
  It is honestly astounding how different the second female
• 1:00:35
  lead's father is to. Her.
• 1:00:39
  Because it's at this point, like right before he finds out that
• 1:00:43
  he's terminal, he has this conversation between his mom and
• 1:00:47
  what would be his father-in-law if they, him and Emily got
• 1:00:51
  together. And the dad is like desperately
• 1:00:54
  trying to match him with his daughter.
• 1:00:58
  And that the male leader's like, I'm not going to sell myself
• 1:01:02
  just for money to save the Music Hall.
• 1:01:05
  Because the they were the school was like a dire financial
• 1:01:08
  straits and the mom was going to have to bulldoze the Music Hall
• 1:01:12
  and she didn't want to do that. So she was looking for outside
• 1:01:15
  people to help with the money aspect and she found this skeezy
• 1:01:19
  dude. So then the dad is saying it
• 1:01:25
  doesn't matter I don't care. Like he was like trying to
• 1:01:31
  muscle him into being with his daughter.
• 1:01:34
  And the male lead is consistently saying like I don't
• 1:01:37
  love your daughter. I can be with her but she would
• 1:01:40
  be super unhappy because I do not love her.
• 1:01:44
  Do you want that for your daughter?
• 1:01:45
  Do you want her to be miserable? Well, he had the thought of, you
• 1:01:50
  know, over time you'll be OK. You don't need love and
• 1:01:56
  marriage. Marriage is business, you know,
• 1:01:59
  and this is a good match. And I know my daughter would be
• 1:02:03
  happy with you. On the other hand, like you
• 1:02:08
  could tell that she did, Emily did like him, but I can't
• 1:02:14
  understand why. I don't understand why either
• 1:02:18
  'cause she was seeing the worst parts of him.
• 1:02:20
  Exactly. And and they're, they're so
• 1:02:23
  different. So I'm just like, what is
• 1:02:25
  drawing you to this person? If anything, I felt like she
• 1:02:29
  would be drawn to Talia, a second male lead, because that's
• 1:02:37
  more, he's more her temperament. Yeah, instead of the first male
• 1:02:44
  lead. She only saw the worst parts of
• 1:02:46
  him. He was an asshole.
• 1:02:47
  He was treating her nasty on the ice rink like a sexist kind of
• 1:02:53
  dude. Like why are you liking?
• 1:02:56
  Why is she like, kind of like why you kind of like, why is she
• 1:03:02
  reading into this guy and putting her eggs in his basket?
• 1:03:06
  Yeah, and I can't even say she wanted to get away from her dad,
• 1:03:11
  because her dad adored yeah, and he adored her.
• 1:03:15
  Yeah. So it just didn't make sense why
• 1:03:19
  she was trying to get with him. No, and even after the surgery,
• 1:03:24
  so I'm skipping, but like let's stay on this topic so we skip
• 1:03:27
  ahead. He's had his surgery.
• 1:03:29
  She's there rehabilitating him, which I have so many nip pics
• 1:03:33
  about this you have you would not believe, but she's there
• 1:03:36
  teaching him to tie his shoelaces and speak and whatever
• 1:03:40
  the fuck else. After that he becomes an
• 1:03:43
  asshole. He has no sense of justice
• 1:03:47
  anymore, he's taking cases from a literal rapist and he's all
• 1:03:53
  about the money. Why is she falling in love with
• 1:03:56
  him? Could it be?
• 1:03:59
  Could it be because now he's really transformed into her dad
• 1:04:05
  and that's what she knows? That's a you freaking nailed it,
• 1:04:10
  I think is that he's very similar to her dad.
• 1:04:17
  Yeah. And that's what the dad liked is
• 1:04:18
  that, oh, I like this version of him because he, we can control
• 1:04:22
  him and he's got the same values as I do, as we do because the
• 1:04:27
  mom was the same way. Yeah, yeah, she was.
• 1:04:31
  She was. But the mom, the mom, I'm just
• 1:04:33
  like, she was bitter. She was very angry, rightfully
• 1:04:37
  so. I can't blame her too much.
• 1:04:40
  I will blame her for how she treated her grandson when she
• 1:04:44
  discovered it was her grandson. Oh, OK, let's put a let's put a
• 1:04:48
  stopper in that. We'll come back to that.
• 1:04:50
  We'll come back to that. So I, I agree.
• 1:04:53
  And then also the second female lead, she had so many
• 1:04:57
  opportunities to set the record straight about who he was
• 1:05:01
  before, who he loved before the surgery and stuff.
• 1:05:04
  And she never did. So I agree that he was like, you
• 1:05:06
  hurt me the most because we were close.
• 1:05:11
  We were gonna, we were gonna get married and you didn't.
• 1:05:15
  You didn't decide to tell me the truth.
• 1:05:17
  You have. I agree that he was rightfully
• 1:05:20
  upset when he found out the truth.
• 1:05:23
  Yes, because he was lied to for six years.
• 1:05:27
  Yes, I agree with you. And he, with his point was like,
• 1:05:30
  you had no right to make decisions about my life and what
• 1:05:35
  I should and shouldn't know. Uh huh, uh huh.
• 1:05:38
  Like they. Took the decision away from him.
• 1:05:41
  They took the agency away from him.
• 1:05:43
  So I completely was on his side when he was pissed at everybody.
• 1:05:47
  I didn't agree that he was lashing out at only one person,
• 1:05:50
  and that was Moo Chang, the female lead.
• 1:05:53
  Yes, but not but. And I was very pissed off at
• 1:06:00
  Emily being all self-righteous in front of Muchen.
• 1:06:04
  Oh my God. Because I was just like, you
• 1:06:07
  know, the steps you took. What are you now in my face
• 1:06:11
  talking about? Oh, I must have been a whore.
• 1:06:14
  And then she. Oh.
• 1:06:15
  My God, that whole conversation in front of the clothesline in
• 1:06:20
  the garage, I was like, you have no leg to sand on, literally no
• 1:06:23
  leg to sand on. Your dad poisoned this whole
• 1:06:25
  village, by the way, like you cannot go drink the groundwater,
• 1:06:27
  babes, because your dad put arsenic in the groundwater.
• 1:06:31
  So let's start there. Number two, you're you're so
• 1:06:35
  smart, you're a doctor. Why are you not putting two and
• 1:06:39
  two together? The your skeezy ass dad who's
• 1:06:41
  doing illegal dealings. Had the.
• 1:06:44
  Only had the only method with the highest chance of success to
• 1:06:50
  save this guy and you're telling me it would be a OK for this
• 1:06:56
  girl Moo Cheng to stick around after the surgery like she
• 1:06:59
  didn't put two and two together? No, because she didn't I she
• 1:07:04
  didn't see her dad like that. She's a doctor, she doesn't
• 1:07:07
  really know what her dad is doing and I'm sure he's not
• 1:07:10
  telling her I'm an asshole. She's just like there.
• 1:07:16
  There has to be. Some assholery happening in her
• 1:07:19
  midst like the dad cannot be a St. all the time in front of
• 1:07:23
  her. He probably can.
• 1:07:25
  Oh, man, it's just so frustrating.
• 1:07:28
  So yeah, I, I that whole thing where she was like, were you
• 1:07:31
  dating three guys at once? Like the male lead, the father
• 1:07:35
  of the kid. Presumably she thinks it's
• 1:07:37
  another guy and the second male. Lead.
• 1:07:41
  So like some some phantom father, the male lead and the
• 1:07:45
  second female lead. So she again making up this
• 1:07:48
  whole story in her head, accusing her of dating three
• 1:07:52
  guys at the same time. Because to her, no one can be as
• 1:07:57
  good as she has been to him. Oh yeah, she's holding it
• 1:08:05
  against her that she wasn't there after the surgery and she
• 1:08:08
  didn't, she didn't help rehab him.
• 1:08:10
  I'm like, did you want her there?
• 1:08:14
  Did you actually want her there? Exactly.
• 1:08:17
  You knew. You knew that he liked her.
• 1:08:22
  You knew they had a thing going on.
• 1:08:24
  She knew he loved her. She did so after the surgery.
• 1:08:30
  The thing you should have done is look for her if you were
• 1:08:34
  really like keeping a buck. Right, you brought.
• 1:08:37
  Her back. Yeah, yeah, if you want to do
• 1:08:41
  this square, fair and square. Exactly you.
• 1:08:46
  See making up making up a story in your head and just running
• 1:08:49
  with it and then literally putting what framing his life
• 1:08:54
  however you wanted. Yeah.
• 1:08:58
  No like to stand up? I couldn't believe she was
• 1:09:00
  spouting all that shit in front of Mujang and Moo Cheng's not
• 1:09:03
  she does not defend herself like at any point in the show.
• 1:09:06
  Moo Cheng is not defending herself against these attacks
• 1:09:10
  from people. And that graded my nerves.
• 1:09:14
  So much this. Is not how female leads.
• 1:09:18
  I know this is not how female leads are designed.
• 1:09:21
  Now it's. Even even even even the one that
• 1:09:25
  pissed me off the most say OK, I'm not defending myself.
• 1:09:30
  I can't defend my son and some some twat is like I can't defend
• 1:09:38
  my son. No Backbone.
• 1:09:43
  None. I'm glad we don't have female
• 1:09:47
  leads like this anymore. Like, you want the best for her,
• 1:09:51
  you're rooting for her, but she keeps making the worst
• 1:09:54
  decisions. And The thing is, she could at
• 1:09:57
  any point in the show, they can just, I don't know, communicate.
• 1:10:01
  They can just say the truth about what happened and it's
• 1:10:05
  gonna make someone look bad. It's always gonna make someone
• 1:10:07
  look bad. But they don't wanna make nobody
• 1:10:08
  look bad, so they don't say shit.
• 1:10:11
  Yeah, I. Agree.
• 1:10:13
  And that is so that is the core of a like an angsty melodrama.
• 1:10:18
  And that is what this is. Bottom line, this is a
• 1:10:23
  tearjerker. I think in Netflix it's labeled
• 1:10:26
  like tearjerker, Yeah. I think.
• 1:10:29
  You'll cry out of frustration. I don't think I ever cried.
• 1:10:33
  What I was waiting for was I wanted him to regain his memory.
• 1:10:42
  I wanted him to discover that he had a son.
• 1:10:47
  And I wanted him to go back to the village and go, like, seduce
• 1:10:53
  her, not whatever else he did. Well, it might.
• 1:10:57
  OK, but not whatever else he did.
• 1:11:02
  I completely am with you. I if I wrote this show, that is
• 1:11:07
  the chain of events that I would have been like, this isn't my
• 1:11:11
  hit list is yeah, I'm going to write this so that he, you know,
• 1:11:14
  figures it out, that realizes that's his son and he goes back
• 1:11:18
  and he's like, I got a winner back.
• 1:11:19
  I got to figure out what happened and I got a winner
• 1:11:20
  back. I seduced her.
• 1:11:22
  Yes, you could have easily. Oh, the material was just there.
• 1:11:27
  Oh. It was right, it was low hanging
• 1:11:29
  fruit. It was right there.
• 1:11:31
  That's not what happened. That's not what happened, guys.
• 1:11:35
  That's not what happened at all. So so they Oh my God.
• 1:11:41
  So they finally kind of I'm going back in time back to
• 1:11:44
  before the surgery. So they they say he has months
• 1:11:48
  to live. He doesn't want to get the
• 1:11:49
  surgery because the rate of success is something like 1015%.
• 1:11:55
  He's gonna die no matter what. And so he is having a pity
• 1:11:58
  party. I literally could not stop
• 1:12:01
  laughing. And I know, I know that he's
• 1:12:04
  just found out that he's terminal.
• 1:12:06
  He's a young man. It's like 2223 years old.
• 1:12:11
  And his reaction to leaving the hospital and having this intense
• 1:12:18
  reaction, running through the streets, arms akimbo like crying
• 1:12:24
  and screaming. He was literally on his knees in
• 1:12:28
  the middle of the street and his arms like in fists, like next to
• 1:12:33
  him and just screaming, screaming into the void.
• 1:12:38
  I could not, could not stop laughing.
• 1:12:42
  It was hysterical to me. Mind you.
• 1:12:45
  The amount of overacting do we do we need to talk about this
• 1:12:48
  now? Exactly.
• 1:12:51
  I was like, the actor is not winning any Oscars, OK.
• 1:12:55
  Yeah. He's not.
• 1:12:59
  He can. Listen to me, I love Venice.
• 1:13:04
  I love everybody here. They are overacting every and
• 1:13:09
  especially him overacting every chance they get.
• 1:13:13
  I'm loving it because it's so entertaining.
• 1:13:16
  It's like he's a he's a tortured hip hop yes guy in a music
• 1:13:24
  video. He's just giving you face like
• 1:13:26
  he's frustrated and then he'll he'll.
• 1:13:30
  I know, I know everything is like dialed up to 20 when there
• 1:13:35
  should be levels to things right?
• 1:13:37
  Like there should. He should be upset.
• 1:13:39
  Maybe level 8 right now. But it's always 12.
• 1:13:44
  It's always up to, it's always through the roof.
• 1:13:47
  Like the emotional response to things is insane insanity
• 1:13:53
  throughout the show. Like just immediate tears,
• 1:13:57
  immediate, like just disc contorting his face in like
• 1:14:01
  weird ways and stuff. And there's some episodes that I
• 1:14:05
  was watching this at 1.5 speed. Oh my God, it was even better
• 1:14:09
  because those facial expressions at 1.5 speed, Oh man, I was
• 1:14:14
  rolling around. Just so funny.
• 1:14:17
  And so if that's your bag, if that's like the cheesiness of
• 1:14:20
  this whole thing is your thing, You like that sort of thing.
• 1:14:24
  Oh my God, press play. So the overacting was really in
• 1:14:28
  that moment when he found out that he was terminal.
• 1:14:31
  That is one of the best overacting scenes of the whole
• 1:14:33
  show. He obviously pushes away the
• 1:14:37
  female lead because he thinks he's dying.
• 1:14:41
  So he doesn't want her to stick around and watch him die.
• 1:14:45
  Whatever he says, he's not interested in her anymore.
• 1:14:51
  And the the confession that he did during this investigative
• 1:14:55
  hearing, which again, like fuck that hearing bro, was just to
• 1:14:58
  win this case. It's not a case.
• 1:15:00
  OK, he this really threw me for a loop, 'cause I didn't remember
• 1:15:05
  this. She goes back to working at the
• 1:15:07
  Fisherman's Wharf and she's. Yes.
• 1:15:11
  Do you imagine? And she's like, actually,
• 1:15:15
  there's a box of falls. She falls in the water while
• 1:15:19
  she's bringing up some Nets, which admittedly look very
• 1:15:23
  heavy, but she falls in the water and inexplicably it's,
• 1:15:28
  it's all inexplicable because it looks so fake.
• 1:15:32
  Everything looks fake. Her fall in the water, her
• 1:15:35
  hanging on to the netting trying to stay above water, her semi
• 1:15:40
  drowning, her foot being caught in the net.
• 1:15:43
  I'm like, girl, that is the loosest thing that I've ever
• 1:15:47
  seen like it. It is honestly comedy at this
• 1:15:51
  point, but you're supposed to take it seriously that she's in
• 1:15:54
  mortal danger about to drown. I have no idea how he found her.
• 1:16:03
  Listen. I have no idea how he, even if
• 1:16:09
  they said, I think they told him, oh, she's working at the
• 1:16:12
  Fisherman's Wharf. And there's.
• 1:16:14
  About to be a a storm yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and you how
• 1:16:19
  can you let her work out in the storm I.
• 1:16:22
  Was gonna say that they were guilting him into the guilting.
• 1:16:26
  You were supposed to take care of her.
• 1:16:28
  How could you let her go and work?
• 1:16:31
  And I'm just like, sis has been working there.
• 1:16:34
  That's her spot. That's her bag.
• 1:16:38
  He has never been there, though, never has been.
• 1:16:41
  The Fisherman's Wharf is not a strip of of one block or two
• 1:16:47
  blocks. This is a huge.
• 1:16:50
  It's a complex. So how then she Miranda?
• 1:16:53
  She's drawing. She's drawing, so how did you?
• 1:16:56
  Silently, Silently, mind I yet silent.
• 1:17:03
  How the hell does he find her? I don't know.
• 1:17:05
  He runs up on her quick. I'll just say, hey, maybe he has
• 1:17:10
  an internal GPS, an internal like Care Bear kind of thing,
• 1:17:16
  like someone is in nature and it lights up and he just knows the
• 1:17:20
  location. She may have shared her Apple
• 1:17:23
  location with him. What can we say?
• 1:17:25
  Exactly. This is, let me just say, the
• 1:17:27
  tech in this show. I enjoyed it so much to see the
• 1:17:32
  flip phones and all of Oh my gosh this is a pre iPhone era.
• 1:17:38
  Yeah, yeah. It was oh, nostalgic, so
• 1:17:42
  nostalgic. So anyway, there's none of that
• 1:17:44
  shit. There's no GPS for her to no
• 1:17:46
  LoJack. There is no find my person or
• 1:17:49
  whatever feature on his flip phone.
• 1:17:54
  He finds her, saves her. If it's meant to be, he will
• 1:17:58
  find you, Jess. Thank you, I I received that
• 1:18:03
  word. So if they, what is it?
• 1:18:07
  He finally reveals his diagnosis to her, but she still wants to
• 1:18:12
  be with him. Because, you know, I says love
• 1:18:17
  suffering, your dad dies. I I can't keep up with her.
• 1:18:22
  I can't keep up with her, OK? They have sex in this epic rain
• 1:18:27
  scene because he drops her off back at this house where she's
• 1:18:32
  staying by herself because both are after the hearing, both her
• 1:18:37
  stepmom and the pervy step uncle have disappeared.
• 1:18:43
  They have escaped, absconded separately might I add.
• 1:18:49
  So she's staying there by herself.
• 1:18:50
  They have sex. This moment is seared into my
• 1:18:53
  brain. Like what he was wearing, how it
• 1:18:56
  happened the morning after. It's all like in there,
• 1:19:00
  embedded. Is it the same way for you?
• 1:19:04
  No. No.
• 1:19:06
  No, because OK, the only part that is in my brain is when the
• 1:19:13
  lightning starts and then they start kissing.
• 1:19:18
  But after they start kissing, I'm like, oh, OK.
• 1:19:22
  I just, yeah, it ended for me. And I went to the next scene
• 1:19:26
  because I what again? What I was waiting for was the
• 1:19:31
  love child. Like, I just wanted to get to
• 1:19:35
  that area, so I didn't really care about how we got there.
• 1:19:41
  Uh huh. Obviously they have unprotected
• 1:19:43
  sex on this evening and because she gets pregnant she doesn't
• 1:19:48
  know. Nobody knows.
• 1:19:50
  We don't know as the if you're watching for the first time, you
• 1:19:52
  don't know. Even the next morning his mom
• 1:19:55
  comes and knocks on the door. She looks at Home Girl like a
• 1:20:00
  bug. Like an insect with a serious
• 1:20:05
  face Contempt and Home Girl is the one that convinces the male
• 1:20:11
  lead to have the surgery because her whole thing was like it's
• 1:20:15
  not over till it's over, the game's not over yet, keep
• 1:20:19
  playing. I don't know how she has the
• 1:20:23
  strength for that but if someone else right.
• 1:20:27
  So then he's tells his mom at that point, like, I'm going to
• 1:20:30
  go schedule surgery. I'm going to have it.
• 1:20:33
  I have found something to live for, is what he said.
• 1:20:42
  This is when I lost it at the mom because they go back to the
• 1:20:47
  house, their mansion. And the mom sort of opens up a
• 1:20:51
  little bit about like, you know, this whole situation and how
• 1:20:54
  she's struggling and her sisters want to lose her son and stuff.
• 1:20:59
  And the female lead tries to comfort the mom and she, like,
• 1:21:03
  puts a hand on her shoulder. And the mom says don't touch me
• 1:21:07
  with your filthy hands. Because right now you're just a
• 1:21:13
  tool and my son listens to you and I need my son to get the
• 1:21:17
  surgery. But we're not close.
• 1:21:21
  You're still air quotes beneath me, you're not deserving of him
• 1:21:27
  and I already have a woman for him.
• 1:21:31
  Yeah, Emily's there waiting. Yeah.
• 1:21:38
  I think the air got sucked out of the room though.
• 1:21:40
  When she said take your filthy hands off.
• 1:21:42
  I was like, Oh my gosh, bad news.
• 1:21:46
  So she's there throughout the whole of the preparations to get
• 1:21:50
  the surgery. They are going to do a bait and
• 1:21:52
  switch on him because the best chance of survival is to do this
• 1:21:56
  proton therapy. I used air quotes there that
• 1:22:00
  only the second female leads family has access to.
• 1:22:06
  They owe me or something. OK.
• 1:22:12
  It of course they have to separate the moms like you can
• 1:22:15
  be with him when he wakes up blah blah blah.
• 1:22:17
  You're just here as a caregiver. I'm I can even pay for your
• 1:22:20
  living expenses while you're here and dealing with all the
• 1:22:23
  pre op stuff. Of course you don't take no
• 1:22:27
  money. She's like, I'm just doing this
• 1:22:29
  because I love him at the goodness of my heart.
• 1:22:31
  I'm going to. Take the money.
• 1:22:32
  Take the money. Money.
• 1:22:35
  I'm waiting. I'm sitting here waiting for
• 1:22:37
  someone's mom to drop me like a wad of cash in an envelope.
• 1:22:42
  I would clearly take the money. So she denies this money being
• 1:22:49
  paid for all of this labor that she's doing, because it's labor.
• 1:22:53
  Yeah. She's with him through all the
• 1:22:56
  through all the pre op, all the tests, all the they're poking
• 1:22:59
  and prodding him, he's feeling sick, he doesn't feel good, blah
• 1:23:02
  blah blah. Girl, the most dramatic part of
• 1:23:06
  the show is about to happen because he goes in for surgery.
• 1:23:14
  And then he wakes up in. The.
• 1:23:18
  Surgery. Oh my.
• 1:23:19
  Gosh, they fuck up when they give him the anesthesia and he
• 1:23:24
  wakes up in the OR nothing. They haven't cut him open or
• 1:23:28
  nothing, but he wakes up and he realizes that Emily, the second
• 1:23:33
  female lead, is in the OR. And where is his surgeon that he
• 1:23:37
  was dealing with this whole time during pre op?
• 1:23:39
  Where are his? Where's the medical team that he
• 1:23:43
  was familiar with? And he's like y'all tricked me,
• 1:23:48
  y'all changed everything. I didn't agree to this.
• 1:23:51
  Where's Moo Chang? Where's my girl?
• 1:23:54
  And he goes running barefoot. Tell me why no one can stop this
• 1:23:58
  man from running out of the OR, running out of the hospital,
• 1:24:02
  running into the street, catching a cab and going all the
• 1:24:07
  way to MU Cheng's house. Nobody can stop.
• 1:24:10
  This man I could not it was the like he is lucky his gown did
• 1:24:20
  not show his bare ass. That's that's that that would
• 1:24:25
  have been like the top of this dramatic scene, but no one
• 1:24:32
  that's the thing this person is weak has been through so many
• 1:24:35
  shots etcetera, but he was able to evade everyone in the
• 1:24:40
  hospital and get to this girl's house.
• 1:24:44
  Did he get to her house or he? Got to her house and she was
• 1:24:47
  there with the second male lead about to leave because she
• 1:24:51
  packed up all her shit. And then she gets into.
• 1:24:58
  She breaks up with him. She's like, I don't want to be
• 1:25:00
  with someone who's not going to survive and all this stuff.
• 1:25:03
  Like she she basically breaks up with him brutally.
• 1:25:07
  That was cool. Doesn't doesn't say your mom
• 1:25:09
  made me do it. Because you know, she has to
• 1:25:13
  take all the blame. Yes, she's long-suffering.
• 1:25:17
  She actually, I think she likes suffering.
• 1:25:19
  Yeah. And she gets in the truck and
• 1:25:22
  drives off with the second male lead.
• 1:25:25
  And as they're driving off the. The.
• 1:25:29
  Creeper uncle the the creeper step uncle.
• 1:25:34
  The one who disappeared. The one who escaped after the
• 1:25:38
  hearing comes out of nowhere and stabs our male lead who's
• 1:25:45
  screaming and crying in the street with a hospital gown on.
• 1:25:53
  Oh my God, you cannot write this stuff today and expect people to
• 1:25:58
  to stick around. I remember the feeling of like,
• 1:26:03
  what else? What else can happen?
• 1:26:08
  I'll tell you what else. She has a love child and we get
• 1:26:11
  a time jump of six years and then the rest of the show
• 1:26:13
  happens. I I don't even remember them
• 1:26:18
  telling us that this is a time jump.
• 1:26:20
  I felt like it went black and then.
• 1:26:24
  There was no text on screen that said like six years later,
• 1:26:27
  nothing. It was just the kid.
• 1:26:29
  You see the kid and he's got his stupid little radio, fake radio,
• 1:26:34
  and he's signaling going miss you, miss you, which that
• 1:26:38
  triggered me like deep when I rewatched that and he was saying
• 1:26:41
  miss you, miss you. OK, it is triggering.
• 1:26:46
  He was so adorable. They could not have found a
• 1:26:51
  cuter kid to play their love child.
• 1:26:55
  He was so adorable. Perfect child actor.
• 1:26:59
  So cute and and and that kid had well, the character had more
• 1:27:07
  range than his dad. Shots fired.
• 1:27:18
  Shots fired. To me, because I remember when
• 1:27:26
  grandma is now spending time with him, not spending time, but
• 1:27:32
  she's just like irritated with his presence.
• 1:27:35
  And you see this kid extending grace and I'm just like, why is
• 1:27:43
  the kid the one doing it? Your dad could never, I'm sorry,
• 1:27:48
  I your dad could never. But he was a he did really,
• 1:27:55
  really well. I know he was such a good actor.
• 1:27:58
  When he cried and stuff, I was like, oh, my God, So cute.
• 1:28:02
  So you're defenseless against this kid when you're watching
• 1:28:05
  this show. Yeah.
• 1:28:08
  And you, they can't just have a love child.
• 1:28:10
  The love. There's something wrong with the
• 1:28:11
  love child. He's got type one diabetes.
• 1:28:18
  You just say long-suffering, she just has to continue suffering.
• 1:28:23
  She just. Cannot catch a break.
• 1:28:25
  She does not catch any breaks. Oh God.
• 1:28:29
  So wait, I have major nitpicks about Emily, the second female
• 1:28:34
  lead and the whole debacle of Head getting surgery because
• 1:28:39
  home girl said that she was in school in America for she was a
• 1:28:47
  medical school in America. And then she came over and she
• 1:28:50
  was like, I'm thinking of transferring to the school.
• 1:28:52
  So this school that the mom, the evil mom owns is everything.
• 1:28:59
  A medical school, a a ecology school, the what it's called law
• 1:29:05
  school, everything, everything all in one.
• 1:29:08
  She's like I'm. Thinking of transferring or
• 1:29:09
  whatever. I'm like transferring.
• 1:29:11
  Who transfers medical schools? Unless you're going to like
• 1:29:14
  Johns Hopkins. So anyway, I I was confused
• 1:29:18
  about that, but apparently no, she's not in school.
• 1:29:22
  She's already done and performing already in residency
• 1:29:26
  or something. What?
• 1:29:29
  She's already like, doing major surgeries.
• 1:29:33
  This was so frustrating to me because she is working directly
• 1:29:38
  with the proton therapy medical team.
• 1:29:41
  Yeah, actively working on his care.
• 1:29:44
  And I'm like, what does she have to do with anything?
• 1:29:47
  Because in my mind she is a pediatrician.
• 1:29:51
  Yeah. What is she doing working on a
• 1:29:53
  23 year old man with a brain tumor?
• 1:29:55
  So he was not clicking for me that she was there and in the OR
• 1:30:01
  and like I was like, why is she there?
• 1:30:04
  Why is she in these conversations with the doctors?
• 1:30:07
  Could it be because that is her family's business?
• 1:30:12
  It's not her family's, but this is like a side thing.
• 1:30:14
  They're over here making glass in factories.
• 1:30:17
  They have an almost. It's just like a side hustle for
• 1:30:19
  them. That's.
• 1:30:19
  Right. The proton therapy thing was
• 1:30:22
  like they invested in it and they have the technology and we
• 1:30:25
  have to go through them to get this, this treatment done
• 1:30:28
  because they're it's not on the market basically.
• 1:30:32
  So they they just needed someone there and they just combined
• 1:30:38
  everything they need into this girl.
• 1:30:41
  She was a Jack of all trades, evidently.
• 1:30:43
  And then when you do the six year time jump, you see all the
• 1:30:47
  things she did to help him through and recover.
• 1:30:49
  And I'm like, OK, I understand. I understand being there for a
• 1:30:55
  lot of this stuff, like him waking up, I understand she's
• 1:30:58
  there. I don't understand.
• 1:31:00
  She's the only person helping him to learn how to tie his
• 1:31:03
  shoelaces. I'm like, OK, where's the actual
• 1:31:06
  physical therapist? Where's the occupational
• 1:31:09
  therapist? Where's the speech therapist?
• 1:31:10
  Because he had to learn how to do everything over again, like
• 1:31:13
  start from scratch, how to walk, how to talk, how to tie his
• 1:31:16
  shoelaces. And I was like, why is she
• 1:31:19
  there? She is a pediatrician,
• 1:31:22
  Pediatrician. And then she's in there.
• 1:31:26
  You can see other PTS around the room, like helping people walk
• 1:31:29
  and stuff, and they're in uniform.
• 1:31:31
  She's not in uniform and she's in high heels.
• 1:31:36
  Jess, you're thinking too much. I was like, what is she doing
• 1:31:40
  with these wildly different specialties, medical
• 1:31:43
  specialties? And then later, it's not just
• 1:31:46
  that she's a pediatrician, she is a pediatric surgeon.
• 1:31:51
  So then I'm like even less what what Why would she be doing all
• 1:31:55
  of the. I was like reeling that they had
• 1:31:59
  her so dedicated to his medical care as if she was his sole Dr.
• 1:32:06
  You're thinking too much. I couldn't get through it.
• 1:32:10
  I couldn't get past it. And I'm sure if I looked closer
• 1:32:14
  at the law stuff that happened, like there's a, there's a whole
• 1:32:20
  fucking murder, there's a murder trial that happens in like the
• 1:32:27
  last two episodes of this show, a complete farce.
• 1:32:31
  Like that whole thing. Again, I don't want to go into
• 1:32:34
  details on that, but that was a whole other.
• 1:32:37
  That is not how law is conducted, ever.
• 1:32:40
  Ever. While while there was like the
• 1:32:46
  therapy happening for the victim and.
• 1:32:50
  That was not therapy. She was badgering her.
• 1:32:56
  Well, to them in the story, it was therapy.
• 1:33:01
  She was like, I finished my my sessions with her or something
• 1:33:07
  like that. She says the psychiatrist said
• 1:33:10
  something like that. And I was like, we're not going
• 1:33:13
  to talk about the PTSD that this girl has for life after what
• 1:33:17
  happened to her. Nope, Nope, no, no.
• 1:33:22
  She's good enough to testify. She figured we figured out, we
• 1:33:25
  unlocked her memories. I was trying to actively take
• 1:33:28
  away something that was comforting her, grabbing it out
• 1:33:31
  of her hands, and she had a breakthrough.
• 1:33:36
  I beg your pardon? Like it was.
• 1:33:40
  Wow. So triggering.
• 1:33:42
  So she basically triggered like her memories to come back in the
• 1:33:45
  most traumatic way possible. I don't even want to go into all
• 1:33:51
  that because it's so bizarre at the end of the show.
• 1:33:56
  My God. Just to make that second male
• 1:34:02
  lead fall in love. I don't think they needed to do
• 1:34:04
  all that. Oh my gosh, it was a pity pity
• 1:34:08
  ploy. Yeah, it was too much, but I
• 1:34:13
  knew I as soon as the main couple got together.
• 1:34:19
  I will say I did check out a little because especially.
• 1:34:24
  When when did you check out? You checked out when he finally
• 1:34:27
  recovered his memories. No, when when Tao Yue, the
• 1:34:34
  second male lead, started going through that whole thing with,
• 1:34:40
  you know, the confinement, the beating, that that's when I
• 1:34:45
  checked out. I was just like, I'm bored.
• 1:34:52
  I'd skip all his parts and I kept up.
• 1:34:55
  I kept up with the main leads. But I think the last straw for
• 1:35:00
  me was when they had gone to that hotel and this girl from
• 1:35:06
  the car shows up again and she's just like going through her
• 1:35:12
  antics about wanting him again and her changing her outfit.
• 1:35:16
  I'm like, babe, you look fantastic in the first outfit.
• 1:35:19
  Fuck is this There's so. Many things like you don't think
• 1:35:23
  that characters are going to come back.
• 1:35:25
  That first girl, the girl that was like taken off her jewelry
• 1:35:29
  and was in the car with him during the meet queue in episode
• 1:35:32
  one she kidnaps Moo Chang before pre surgery.
• 1:35:38
  Do you remember this? Like they were like.
• 1:35:40
  What the he's? Going to come and get her.
• 1:35:42
  Yeah. They're like trying to.
• 1:35:44
  That's attempted murder to me. It is.
• 1:35:47
  It's attempted murder because they're they're shooting hockey
• 1:35:50
  pucks at him. He has no padding on and he's
• 1:35:52
  just protecting the female lead who's sitting bound in in front
• 1:35:58
  of the goal goal. So that girl did that.
• 1:36:05
  She stole the CCTV footage from the sexual assault that happened
• 1:36:09
  in the Music Hall and then she comes back at the end of the
• 1:36:13
  show because she's on her 4th divorce.
• 1:36:16
  Mind you, this is after the time jump.
• 1:36:17
  So it's been six years. She's on her 4th divorce.
• 1:36:19
  She wants to hire the male lead to to handle the divorce and she
• 1:36:24
  gets in between our couple like the main couple.
• 1:36:29
  And again, at that point I was just like, OK, why now?
• 1:36:36
  What else number one? But by now I needed to see.
• 1:36:41
  I don't want to say I wanted to see bumping and grinding, but it
• 1:36:44
  was just like, OK, you're married now.
• 1:36:49
  They have so much chemistry. There's so much chemistry there,
• 1:36:52
  yet nothing is happening in this show.
• 1:36:59
  And so it lost me just a little because I was like, I'm so
• 1:37:03
  annoyed that you didn't do the seduction.
• 1:37:06
  You could have added it. You've done everything else.
• 1:37:09
  You could have added it. They are so magical together in
• 1:37:13
  the town when he is there for like a week doing the 240 hours
• 1:37:19
  of community service, which that's ludicrous as well.
• 1:37:23
  But but he's that's how he makes it to the town.
• 1:37:27
  That's how they reunite and he stays with her and the kid and
• 1:37:34
  that whole week, week and 1/2 or whatever is magical because
• 1:37:39
  there's like vibes between them. He's like, do I know you?
• 1:37:42
  She's like, no. And he's he's getting glimpses
• 1:37:47
  of this past that's come coming back to his memory and he's like
• 1:37:51
  finding that she's so familiar. He's so attracted to her.
• 1:37:54
  But then he is fully in love with the kid.
• 1:37:57
  The kid is so lovable and he cannot get enough of the kid.
• 1:38:02
  He loves the kid, which is his biological child, so that whole
• 1:38:08
  bit of the show is so addicting to watch.
• 1:38:12
  I agree. I will say though, the other
• 1:38:15
  part that I I love watching is when the kid is injured in the
• 1:38:20
  hospital and Emily is like, I need blood.
• 1:38:28
  And she and she and she pretty much tells us the audience that
• 1:38:34
  it can't be with someone who's directly related.
• 1:38:38
  For some reason. And then he says, oh, I'll
• 1:38:44
  donate, I'll donate. Blood for the kid.
• 1:38:48
  Mochek is like, you can't do it. Anyone but him.
• 1:38:52
  He can't donate blood and throws it back to the second meal lead
• 1:38:57
  to donate blood. And somehow Homeboy doesn't
• 1:39:00
  catch on. Does it.
• 1:39:01
  He's so astute in other parts of the show, but he doesn't clock
• 1:39:07
  that. He doesn't clock that.
• 1:39:09
  She's like, uh, uh, he can't give blood.
• 1:39:11
  After this girl has just explained that no one who is
• 1:39:16
  directly related, I can't I can't I.
• 1:39:20
  Can't. It's right there.
• 1:39:24
  It's right there. Exactly.
• 1:39:27
  Oh my God, yeah. He doesn't remember until what
• 1:39:30
  is it, the photo memory card that's in the brace that like
• 1:39:36
  falls out when he's cleaning it and then he puts.
• 1:39:39
  It in IA micro card into a micro SD card into an SD card into an
• 1:39:49
  SD card reader that has ausb into the computer.
• 1:39:53
  I was like. Yes, that's what's up.
• 1:39:56
  That's what's up, bro. Because what, you mean we have
• 1:40:05
  to do all these stuff? The steps that that took, oh
• 1:40:09
  God, that killed me. I, I thought the same thing.
• 1:40:12
  I was like, oh, oh, how far we've come.
• 1:40:16
  That was painful. It was so painful.
• 1:40:20
  I love the photo with the backgrounds the backgrounds of.
• 1:40:28
  The the photo studio photos that pop up, Oh my God.
• 1:40:32
  And yo, they look bad in those photos.
• 1:40:35
  They do, they look so bad her with her straight bangs and.
• 1:40:42
  Oh, they look awful in those photos.
• 1:40:45
  And you know what else looks bad?
• 1:40:47
  It's 09. This show is vintage.
• 1:40:50
  I Yeah. Like this has no semblance of of
• 1:40:54
  style or cinematography or just like color grade, basic color
• 1:40:58
  grading. Like they look washed out one
• 1:41:01
  minute and like real tan the next minute.
• 1:41:04
  There is no consistency, no artistry here.
• 1:41:08
  This is just like someone showed up with a camera one day.
• 1:41:12
  The sound mix. Oh, it's.
• 1:41:14
  Oh, the sound mixing. Tell me why we're hearing
• 1:41:18
  cicadas throughout the entirety of the show.
• 1:41:22
  Right. It's bad, like the sound.
• 1:41:25
  They were not mixing anything. This is all live sound.
• 1:41:31
  It was just point and shoot y'all.
• 1:41:33
  It was just point and shoot, but that's part of the charm.
• 1:41:40
  Like, I think that's part of the charm.
• 1:41:42
  Oh the music. First of all, there's only like
• 1:41:45
  3 songs in the whole show recycled in the OST.
• 1:41:51
  But then they cut them up up. They cut them off abruptly like
• 1:41:55
  in between scenes and inside the same scene they'll like stop the
• 1:42:00
  song instead of fading it out or having transitions or anything.
• 1:42:05
  It is so jarring. You cannot, you cannot watch
• 1:42:10
  this for technical ability. No, you're just you're just
• 1:42:14
  there for vibes. You're just there for vibes.
• 1:42:18
  That's all the. Story, the chemistry, the cast,
• 1:42:22
  the characters. The fashion.
• 1:42:25
  The fashion, I could get behind the fashion for some reason.
• 1:42:31
  I I lived it OK. I lived.
• 1:42:34
  It I lived it. This is the year I graduated
• 1:42:36
  from high school. Was it?
• 1:42:38
  09, yeah. I graduated in 07, so two years
• 1:42:44
  out, but I was like. But still this is all this.
• 1:42:46
  Feeling good. Yeah, it's for us.
• 1:42:51
  The belt is the one that kills me because the belt is never a
• 1:42:54
  leather belt. It's always like a woven kind of
• 1:42:59
  thing going on. I was really just vibing with
• 1:43:08
  the hairstyles and the makeup styling and the wardrobe.
• 1:43:14
  For sure. I couldn't jive with the
• 1:43:17
  technical aspects of how this thing looks and sounds, but
• 1:43:21
  again, I'm very forgiving when it comes to production of
• 1:43:25
  things. Even acting like this acting
• 1:43:28
  style would never that would never get so much black.
• 1:43:38
  It it just we're shaking our heads over here.
• 1:43:41
  So what else do you want to talk about in this show?
• 1:43:44
  Because it so he figures it out like he finally gets his memory
• 1:43:50
  back. And here's the point where I
• 1:43:52
  think this is the the end of this show is near because this
• 1:43:58
  is the point we've been waiting for.
• 1:43:59
  We want him to remember his past, remember her, realize
• 1:44:03
  that's his son. OK.
• 1:44:08
  So So what happens is instead of him realizing it and coming to
• 1:44:12
  her and being like, I remember everything, let's get together,
• 1:44:15
  I love you or seduction. Yeah.
• 1:44:19
  What happens is he's pissed at everybody.
• 1:44:23
  He's so mad at the past six years, he calls off his wedding
• 1:44:28
  to Emily. Like basically leaves her at the
• 1:44:30
  altar. She's literally dressed in her
• 1:44:33
  wedding dress already. It's it's a mess and.
• 1:44:36
  Mind you. Mind you, I'm asking why is sis
• 1:44:40
  the one decorating the the church for the wedding?
• 1:44:45
  That's 'cause she's in town, I guess, in Taipei.
• 1:44:49
  What? Everyone else is in Hua Village.
• 1:44:52
  They're like we'll. Send you the we'll send.
• 1:44:55
  You the flowers. Why is Emily allowing her to
• 1:44:59
  decorate? Emily doesn't know she's there
• 1:45:02
  to decorate. That's right.
• 1:45:04
  That's right. This is all happening real fast,
• 1:45:07
  real fast 'cause they push the wedding up.
• 1:45:09
  Yeah, yeah. Man, So yeah, she's there in the
• 1:45:15
  this is crazy. Like, I'm, I'm trying to wrap my
• 1:45:19
  head around this, but yeah, they move the wedding up and everyone
• 1:45:25
  has reservations. By everyone.
• 1:45:26
  I mean Emily is having second thoughts.
• 1:45:29
  She's having real bad doubts. He's having doubts, but he
• 1:45:32
  doesn't remember his past yet. Then he remembers and all hell
• 1:45:37
  breaks loose because he calls off the wedding.
• 1:45:39
  He goes to see her. She's fucking playing the Piano
• 1:45:43
  Concerto and G major by Bach again in the church because
• 1:45:48
  she's there early to set up for the wedding.
• 1:45:52
  OK. So he reveals that he remembers
• 1:45:59
  everything. 00 and then Mr. Dramatic drives her to the spot
• 1:46:08
  where she abandoned. Abandoned.
• 1:46:12
  Air quotes. Yes, air quotes.
• 1:46:15
  Abandoned him, she recognizes it and and then he's like, I'm
• 1:46:22
  coming from my son. He tells her I'm gonna take my
• 1:46:26
  son. I'm going for full custody of
• 1:46:29
  Shaola. Instead of just saying.
• 1:46:33
  It's the. Right, this this show.
• 1:46:37
  OK, the show. He was just like from zero to
• 1:46:40
  60. He's pissed.
• 1:46:41
  We get it. We got it.
• 1:46:42
  We got it, but he goes. From He tells her, You're gonna
• 1:46:45
  lose your son. I'm gonna take my son back.
• 1:46:50
  How could you not tell me that's my son and all this stuff?
• 1:46:52
  Because for all these episodes she's been swearing up and down
• 1:46:56
  that that's not his son, dude, that's not your dad, blah blah
• 1:47:00
  blah. Stop saying that you guys are
• 1:47:02
  related and stop because the kid swore up and down that that's
• 1:47:06
  his alien dad. You chose not to believe him.
• 1:47:12
  What can she say? So he says he's going to go for
• 1:47:18
  full custody. She is scared shitless.
• 1:47:20
  She goes back to the town, Hua Village, and starts packing up
• 1:47:24
  her shit. She's going to, like, bounce.
• 1:47:28
  Yeah. And she thinks the best thing
• 1:47:31
  that they should do, actually, the second male lead says the
• 1:47:34
  best thing we should do is you're you have an unstable
• 1:47:37
  income. You're a single mom.
• 1:47:39
  You you have a lot of strikes against you if this goes to
• 1:47:42
  court and he goes for full custody.
• 1:47:45
  So why don't we get married? Finally, he shows himself and
• 1:47:51
  his plan all along. Exactly.
• 1:47:54
  Was to try and get married and that is pathetic.
• 1:47:59
  It's like, remember startup with Hanji Pyong?
• 1:48:03
  I can't. Even remember.
• 1:48:04
  His. It is Hanji Pyong I have.
• 1:48:09
  I can't believe you're opening this can of worms right now
• 1:48:10
  because I've been avoiding TikTok.
• 1:48:13
  OK, talk to me about Hanji Pyong and startup.
• 1:48:16
  Talk to me. Wait, have you ever seen
• 1:48:18
  Startup? I have to.
• 1:48:20
  Yeah, I have seen Startup. There's an episode, actually a
• 1:48:22
  Tabak episode on Startup. Yeah, OK.
• 1:48:26
  All right. So what controversial thing are
• 1:48:28
  you going to say right now? I'm not going to say anything
• 1:48:31
  controversial. People are so hot for Hanji
• 1:48:33
  Pyong, I have no idea. I was not hot for him.
• 1:48:37
  OK, me, and I'll tell you why. Because I'm just like you had
• 1:48:42
  how many ever years? I forget how many years it was,
• 1:48:47
  but you had time to state exactly your intention.
• 1:48:54
  And then only again, only when the male lead comes back, then
• 1:48:58
  you feel agitated. So to me, you didn't really like
• 1:49:04
  me. You're a coward.
• 1:49:06
  You are. You were OK with it being as is
• 1:49:12
  and saying that was enough for you when it wasn't.
• 1:49:16
  You're not honoring your feelings, but you're also not
• 1:49:19
  respecting my time and my feelings.
• 1:49:25
  OK, so So what does this have to do?
• 1:49:28
  How? How are you connecting Hanji
• 1:49:30
  Pyong with the 2nd? Male lead reminds me of that
• 1:49:34
  second male lead where all of a sudden, like you said in the
• 1:49:38
  beginning, he was only friends with her to get something from
• 1:49:42
  her. He never had the balls to do it
• 1:49:44
  himself. He didn't have the courage to
• 1:49:47
  say exactly what he wanted. He just wanted her in his orbit.
• 1:49:54
  And then when he felt threatened all of a sudden, oh I am the
• 1:49:59
  saviour you need, let's get married.
• 1:50:02
  No, that was that was such a trash take.
• 1:50:08
  And I understand his intention. I think he wanted to show that
• 1:50:13
  he can provide stability, but on.
• 1:50:18
  Paper at least. On paper.
• 1:50:20
  But where were you when I had a kid?
• 1:50:24
  When I had a kid, Why didn't you tell me?
• 1:50:25
  Let's get married so that I won't be a single mother So that
• 1:50:30
  your name can be on his birth certificate.
• 1:50:33
  Like what exactly is up with you?
• 1:50:38
  Yeah. So no, that was just a move to
• 1:50:42
  keep. Yeah, our guy away.
• 1:50:45
  He thought that was a checkmate on his side.
• 1:50:47
  He was like, oh, checkmate. I'm going to get married to this
• 1:50:51
  girl finally because she's in dire straits.
• 1:50:54
  She needs a man to make her look more presentable as a mother on
• 1:51:01
  paper so that she can keep custody of her child.
• 1:51:04
  And I'm like, damn, that's dirty it.
• 1:51:06
  And it comes across as so noble in the show, right?
• 1:51:09
  Like he's like, I'll do this, you know, thing.
• 1:51:12
  And I'm like, bitch, you wanted this the whole time.
• 1:51:15
  So anyway, he does this. They have a meeting with the
• 1:51:18
  male lead where they tell him this plan, but they make it seem
• 1:51:22
  like they're so in love and they're holding hands and stuff.
• 1:51:24
  And MO Cheng again, is just letting him kind of spin this
• 1:51:28
  story 'cause she's so timid and like, you know, not, not
• 1:51:34
  assertive at all. And she's just like, you can
• 1:51:38
  tell she loves her son deeply and doesn't want to be parted
• 1:51:43
  from him. But she doesn't say, I don't
• 1:51:44
  want you to have full custody. So I'm going to marry this dude.
• 1:51:47
  She's just there silent. She's letting the 2nd man lead
• 1:51:50
  do all the talking. And the man lead comes up with
• 1:51:54
  this brilliant plan, which is I'm going to you're I'm going to
• 1:51:59
  sabotage this thing. He sabotages it immediately.
• 1:52:02
  He puts the second mill lead behind bars for actually
• 1:52:05
  something pretty valid, which is they were doing like a moonshine
• 1:52:09
  operation out of her his mom's restaurant.
• 1:52:13
  And he has them all arrested. And after that, after that goes
• 1:52:19
  S he's like, I'll get him out of jail and I'll drop the charges
• 1:52:22
  and everything. Why don't we get married?
• 1:52:25
  I'll marry you and you can what you obviously you can keep
• 1:52:29
  custody of of the kid and take. Care of him.
• 1:52:35
  You can keep taking care of him. Yeah, your every need will be,
• 1:52:40
  you know, met. You don't have to worry about
• 1:52:44
  money, but I even have a nanny for you.
• 1:52:48
  Like it's a no brainer for him. They both love each other.
• 1:52:55
  He's being such a fart to her throughout the rest of the show
• 1:53:00
  honestly. He is constantly wanting her to
• 1:53:03
  prove her love and she never says that she loves him, that
• 1:53:08
  she's on his side, that she left him six years ago because of XYZ
• 1:53:14
  and the other never tells the truth.
• 1:53:17
  And the miscommunication trope becomes real annoying during
• 1:53:21
  these sets of episodes after they get married because there's
• 1:53:24
  so many conversations that they start right where it's like, why
• 1:53:28
  did you leave six years ago? Why did this?
• 1:53:30
  Why did that, ha ha ha. And she will start to say why,
• 1:53:35
  and he'll cut her off. Yes.
• 1:53:38
  He won't let her finish the sentence because he's so afraid
• 1:53:41
  of what her answer is. Yeah, he's.
• 1:53:43
  So afraid that it's a it's a heartbreak that it's some reason
• 1:53:48
  that he can't come to terms with.
• 1:53:49
  So he never lets her finish the sentence.
• 1:53:51
  And The thing is, him cutting her off, she doesn't like finish
• 1:53:56
  the sentence despite him cutting off.
• 1:53:57
  He she lets him, cut him, cut her off, cut over and over and
• 1:54:03
  over again. Yeah, until, I think, until the
• 1:54:08
  last love confession where I do distinctly remember her saying I
• 1:54:13
  haven't finished what I what I was saying.
• 1:54:16
  Uh huh. And I was like, finally.
• 1:54:18
  Yeah, yeah, she finally was like, I'm going to tell you how
• 1:54:22
  I feel, but it took everybody telling her you need to speak
• 1:54:25
  up. Yeah.
• 1:54:28
  Because they were both so passive and like, one person
• 1:54:30
  would make a decision and the other one would just be like,
• 1:54:32
  OK, fine, yeah, I guess I guess we'll break up.
• 1:54:35
  I guess this, I guess that. And it's like, OK, hold the
• 1:54:38
  fucking phone and let's talk this through.
• 1:54:41
  So if miscommunication is going to dog you, like, I'm sorry,
• 1:54:47
  this show in the back half, it's in spades.
• 1:54:50
  It's in spades. There's so many times that this
• 1:54:56
  show could have ended in an episode or two if they just
• 1:54:59
  talked it out, let each other say what they need to say.
• 1:55:06
  Sorry. Also.
• 1:55:08
  Yeah, also when the wedding was cancelled and home girl Emily is
• 1:55:15
  talking to her dad and she's like, I'm coming up with all
• 1:55:18
  these excuses to tell people that the wedding is cancelled
• 1:55:21
  and. Oh, I don't feel bad for her at.
• 1:55:24
  All I don't feel bad for her at all, but at the same time I'm
• 1:55:28
  sitting there like, but you know, he doesn't love you.
• 1:55:33
  Like she was just a an incomplete character for me
• 1:55:39
  because she's so good and so caring and you know, when she
• 1:55:45
  was doing the surgery for the kids, she's like, you gotta
• 1:55:48
  survive. Everybody is like waiting for
• 1:55:51
  you. And yet you were still going to
• 1:55:54
  marry this man, and then now you're.
• 1:55:58
  Just like she was ready to trap him.
• 1:56:00
  Yeah, and now she's like, I don't know what excuse to keep
• 1:56:04
  telling me no, just telling people that it didn't work out.
• 1:56:07
  That's it. Everybody and their mom knows he
• 1:56:10
  had a brain surgery and he recovered.
• 1:56:14
  All you got to say is he remembered his past.
• 1:56:18
  That's it. Deals off.
• 1:56:22
  That's all she had to say. Yeah.
• 1:56:26
  Unfortunately, things changed after he remembered everything.
• 1:56:32
  Ain't no room for me now, sorry. Exactly.
• 1:56:35
  Here's your gift. Sending it.
• 1:56:37
  Sending it all back. She's trying to save face like
• 1:56:42
  she was trying to save face, girl.
• 1:56:48
  Then she just ate. She peace out.
• 1:56:51
  Yeah, she peace out. I think the last thing we
• 1:56:53
  haven't talked about is the mom. Like his mom.
• 1:56:57
  Yeah, I don't think there's much to talk about her.
• 1:57:01
  She had this major change of heart at the end of the show.
• 1:57:04
  Did you think it was believable? No.
• 1:57:10
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:57:11
  All right. Because she was so gung ho about
• 1:57:16
  keeping them apart, about keeping Moo Chung and her son
• 1:57:21
  apart. Yeah.
• 1:57:23
  Did everything she could to orchestrate his life, put it how
• 1:57:27
  she wanted, get him with Emily, make him sort of heartless.
• 1:57:34
  A heartless individual, Focus on money, but highly professionally
• 1:57:38
  successful. That's what she wanted.
• 1:57:41
  Exactly. And then you're gonna tell me in
• 1:57:43
  the end, because he understands you.
• 1:57:45
  All of a sudden that melted your heart and you found who you
• 1:57:50
  truly are within. No.
• 1:57:53
  I think she fell in love with the grandkid.
• 1:57:57
  She did, I think. She liked being a grandma a lot
• 1:58:00
  and how she kind of got to right some wrongs and learn how to
• 1:58:06
  mother a little bit from Moo Chung and that sort of changed
• 1:58:10
  her mindset. Even though she hated Moo Chung.
• 1:58:13
  Like that didn't make sense that she was basically complimenting
• 1:58:16
  her at the end of the show and being like, we both love our
• 1:58:19
  sons, just in different ways. Like that was what Moo Chung
• 1:58:23
  said when she apologized when the mom, a mom, the mom
• 1:58:25
  apologized to Moo Chung for like doing all this shit to her and
• 1:58:31
  Moo Chung didn't accept the didn't say thank you.
• 1:58:35
  I appreciate the apology because you were real shitty to me for a
• 1:58:38
  long time and you really did screw up our lives.
• 1:58:42
  She said, no, it's OK. You know, we're both mothers and
• 1:58:47
  we both love our sons, and we just love them in different
• 1:58:49
  ways. I'm like, babes, look at the
• 1:58:52
  damage. There's carnage all around.
• 1:58:56
  Yeah. But that's muchang for you from
• 1:59:00
  beginning to end. She's just this forgiving
• 1:59:04
  character. Angel of a person.
• 1:59:07
  Yeah, yeah. She has no, she never gets
• 1:59:11
  angry. When when the mom was scolding
• 1:59:15
  her about something like the mom came to their house and she was
• 1:59:20
  scolding her about I was just like, who the hell do you think
• 1:59:24
  you're talking to? Like I raised this kid.
• 1:59:27
  This should have been the moment where Moo Chung gives her some
• 1:59:32
  boundaries. You're just a grandma.
• 1:59:37
  Sorry but I. No, but she is.
• 1:59:40
  She's a, she's not the mother, she's the grandma.
• 1:59:42
  And she just got here. And you just got here that.
• 1:59:46
  Part You've had two conversations with the grandkid.
• 1:59:51
  And then you see the male lead just standing by the wall, arms
• 1:59:56
  crossed, and I'm just like, are you gonna let her talk to her
• 1:59:59
  like that? Like what's?
• 2:00:00
  That bro, it's it's so frustrating.
• 2:00:08
  It's so frustrating. I think Moo Chung, her
• 2:00:11
  personality is just, you would never like.
• 2:00:17
  It's so rare to see this person in real life.
• 2:00:20
  Yeah. And because of that, and because
• 2:00:24
  our sensibilities have changed over time, they just don't make
• 2:00:30
  them like this. They don't make female leads
• 2:00:31
  like this anymore. It is unbelievable how much she
• 2:00:37
  takes in the show and she's just stays standing.
• 2:00:41
  From the beginning till the end she was taking shit.
• 2:00:45
  Oh my gosh, from all sides. So the so the grandma becomes
• 2:00:51
  very much softened by being the grandma and she becomes OK.
• 2:00:58
  Like she reconciles with Moo Chung and then she reconciles
• 2:01:03
  with her son. And when he is threatening
• 2:01:06
  divorce with Moo Chung in the final episodes, she's the one
• 2:01:09
  who's comes in and says, like, I think you should reconsider.
• 2:01:12
  She tells both of them like, I hope you work it out because you
• 2:01:17
  know, I think you should. And I'm like what?
• 2:01:21
  Exactly. Ain't no way ain't.
• 2:01:23
  No way, ain't no way. So also, I think she found
• 2:01:29
  common ground with Moochong because she's a single mom and
• 2:01:31
  then her her the grandma was also a single mom.
• 2:01:35
  OK, she was a single mom in it for a long time.
• 2:01:39
  And the last thing I'll say is the the grandma was not at fault
• 2:01:46
  at all for the suicide of her husband.
• 2:01:50
  The male leads mom. She wasn't.
• 2:01:54
  She got cheated on. This was so messy.
• 2:01:57
  This was the whole show was messy, but this was particularly
• 2:01:59
  messy in the latter episodes. Was this reveal that she It's
• 2:02:05
  like this noble idiocy thing where she's like, I would rather
• 2:02:08
  be seen as the bad guy to my son for his whole life than to
• 2:02:13
  destroy the image he has of his dead father.
• 2:02:17
  And what happened was the father, the Music Hall guy, was
• 2:02:24
  having an affair with a student and was fully like, we're in
• 2:02:28
  love. I'm going to leave you.
• 2:02:30
  And so they get divorced. And she says, do not ever let
• 2:02:34
  our son know that this is going on because it'll destroy him.
• 2:02:38
  And I want him to have a father. And then a year later, after
• 2:02:42
  their divorce or their separation or whatever, the dad
• 2:02:45
  commits suicide. And he was supposed to commit
• 2:02:49
  suicide at the same time as his side chick.
• 2:02:54
  But she is like the. Student.
• 2:02:57
  She's just like I changed my mind.
• 2:02:59
  Bye. First of all, first of all,
• 2:03:03
  what? You both commit suicide at the
• 2:03:07
  same time. Oh my God, so they're connected
• 2:03:11
  in another life, I guess. I don't believe it.
• 2:03:15
  It's so I have my hands on my forehead.
• 2:03:19
  Like I'm just like, God, it's so much.
• 2:03:23
  It's too much. Like they were doing too much at
• 2:03:25
  the end of the show. They were doing too much
• 2:03:26
  throughout the show. But that was a lot to unpack in
• 2:03:30
  the last episode or two that she was hiding all this and she was
• 2:03:36
  like, I'll be the bad guy. Till the end, the show was like
• 2:03:40
  we will give you everything, everything, every.
• 2:03:43
  Troll everything. Arrocco, Mango, everything.
• 2:03:50
  What do you mean you, you change your mind from killing yourself?
• 2:03:54
  We agreed together. What?
• 2:03:59
  So I Oh my God, I'd be so pissed.
• 2:04:02
  I would. Be so I'd get to the afterlife
• 2:04:04
  and be like, are you fucking kidding me?
• 2:04:07
  Are you kidding me? I would haunt you for the rest
• 2:04:13
  of your life until you come join me.
• 2:04:16
  I'm not even kidding. Like what?
• 2:04:20
  Such a but they're both such trash.
• 2:04:23
  Like I guess it was serving to highlight like he's unstable,
• 2:04:26
  he's trash, and the freaking student mistress is also just
• 2:04:31
  trash. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:33
  Oh God, it's so bad. I still really like the show.
• 2:04:40
  I don't know about you, but like there's something about it.
• 2:04:44
  But I'm like, you know what? It's crazy.
• 2:04:48
  It's stupid at times. It spins its wheels at times.
• 2:04:53
  This couple didn't get enough seduction and skinship, but it's
• 2:04:58
  it's a classic. It's iconic.
• 2:05:01
  I don't know. I see every flaw.
• 2:05:04
  I do. I do.
• 2:05:07
  But I'll still watch it again. But I'll still do it again.
• 2:05:10
  I will do it again. Yeah.
• 2:05:18
  It's like going on a roller coaster and you're like, wow,
• 2:05:20
  this thing's about to fall apart.
• 2:05:23
  I shouldn't do that again. But that was so much fun.
• 2:05:25
  Let's do it again. Let's get on it again.
• 2:05:28
  That is what this show is. Yeah, I agree.
• 2:05:32
  I agree. I'm so glad that we talked this
• 2:05:35
  through. We experienced this together.
• 2:05:37
  Was there anything else that you wanted to say about this show?
• 2:05:42
  Yo, if you haven't watched it, just watch it.
• 2:05:46
  Just watch it. Just just watch it.
• 2:05:50
  If you can watch marry my husband or or I don't know.
• 2:05:57
  I don't know. So why?
• 2:05:58
  Did you have to marry my husband?
• 2:05:59
  That's that's just. Bringing up a modern mock Jung.
• 2:06:02
  That's all. Not yeah, not not that specific
• 2:06:06
  show is similar to this show in any way.
• 2:06:10
  Queen of Tears. Yes.
• 2:06:14
  You can watch this. Yes, thank you.
• 2:06:19
  Thank you. If you can watch Queen of Tears,
• 2:06:22
  which just surpassed Goblin in terms of TV and ratings, which
• 2:06:28
  is. Just blowing my mind.
• 2:06:31
  Blowing my little mind. If you can watch Queen of Tears,
• 2:06:35
  you can watch Autumn's Concerto. Yeah, I I don't know how I feel
• 2:06:43
  about Queen of Tears. I need, I need to sit down and
• 2:06:46
  write it out because I'm very annoyed.
• 2:06:52
  But that's for another episode. OK, OK, maybe it's a hot.
• 2:06:59
  Oh, do you want to do a hot takes after this?
• 2:07:02
  We could do that. And it's queen of tears.
• 2:07:05
  OK, so if you wanna pop over to the Patreon feed, there will be
• 2:07:10
  a hot takes and we've already revealed what the topic is
• 2:07:13
  because Carol has some stuff on her mind, but I don't have
• 2:07:18
  anything else to say really about Autumns.
• 2:07:21
  I think we covered it all. We kind of did a recap as well
• 2:07:24
  as just fangirling and laughing our way through all of the
• 2:07:28
  nonsense. But if you've come this far, I
• 2:07:31
  really appreciate it. This was a ton of fun to
• 2:07:35
  revisit. Honestly I had no problem
• 2:07:38
  rewatching it. I don't know about you, I had no
• 2:07:41
  issues with watching. This.
• 2:07:42
  Me neither. I did watch that 1.25 speed but.
• 2:07:47
  OK, but that's you've you've already watched it and you
• 2:07:50
  already know what you would rather see.
• 2:07:54
  And the stuff with the second male lead in the last half where
• 2:07:56
  he's like saving the girl that he grew up with and that girl
• 2:08:01
  got like it got too much. Air time too.
• 2:08:05
  It got too much air time, it was overdramatic, There was a murder
• 2:08:09
  and there was a trial. It was crazy.
• 2:08:12
  Also, they kidnap the they fake a kidnapping in the last episode
• 2:08:16
  to bring the couple to our main couple together.
• 2:08:21
  What? Honestly, this has everything.
• 2:08:24
  This club has everything. OK, honestly, honestly if you if
• 2:08:31
  you are looking for a 10 course meal, this is it's this.
• 2:08:36
  I love that. I love that.
• 2:08:37
  In school, Yeah. It's everything you want, but
• 2:08:42
  they're great. Like, I love this couple.
• 2:08:44
  Like, despite everything, I love this couple.
• 2:08:45
  Anyway, yeah. Before we get out of here,
• 2:08:48
  Carol, where can people find you online?
• 2:08:51
  You can find me on Instagram as K dramas musings and for now
• 2:08:58
  that's the only spot I'm at. I will be back again in the
• 2:09:03
  summer on TikTok and on on X same name so gotcha.
• 2:09:11
  All right. So, Carol, that's it.
• 2:09:14
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica and this is Teba
• 2:09:17
  Kieran's podcast.