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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's my penis. Hello and welcome to American Top 40.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Casey Kasem.
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  Speaker 2: Monday, Monday, so good to me Monday morning, it was
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  Speaker 2: all I hoped it would be Oh, Monday morning, Monday morning, couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Guarantee Hello and welcome back to another Murder Monday. It's
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  Speaker 1: another beautiful day in the murder hood. and today's episode
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  Speaker 1: has actually been very fascinating for me to research, and
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  Speaker 1: I am really excited to bust it down for you,
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  Speaker 1: break it down for you. It's a case I've never
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  Speaker 1: heard of, and a mystery surrounding it that's just as interesting. So,
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  Speaker 1: you guys know how I talk about Program to Kill constantly.
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  Speaker 1: It's like my favorite book of all time, written by
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  Speaker 1: David McGowan. But some of you may not know this.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe some of you do. I don't want to assume.
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  Speaker 1: The book Program to Kill was inspired by another book,
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  Speaker 1: and it was a book called The Ultimate Evil, written
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  Speaker 1: by Mari Terry. And I know William Ramsey talks about
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  Speaker 1: this book all the time on his podcast, William Ramsey Investigates.
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  Speaker 1: And I've even spoken to William before about The Ultimate Evil.
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  Speaker 1: And this book talks a lot about cults. And in
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  Speaker 1: a way, it's very similar to Program to Kill. It
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  Speaker 1: was the inspiration for Program to Kill. Now, I've never
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  Speaker 1: read All of The Ultimate Evil. I've read snippets out
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  Speaker 1: of it. I've read pieces of it. But I've never
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  Speaker 1: sat down and finished it from cover to cover. I
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  Speaker 1: will stand by Program to Kill is probably better. Some
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  Speaker 1: of you out there might disagree. And that's fine. But
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  Speaker 1: I believe Program to Kill is probably better. But The
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  Speaker 1: Ultimate Evil is a really interesting book. And it was very,
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  Speaker 1: very popular. And again, it was all about cults. And I...
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  Speaker 1: was on YouTube, and I came across this podcaster who
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  Speaker 1: made a video about trying to find Maury Terry's second book,
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  Speaker 1: which would have been just as much of a bestseller
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  Speaker 1: as The Ultimate Evil, because everything that guy wrote was
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  Speaker 1: super popular. So you would think it'd be pretty easy
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  Speaker 1: to find this second book, this anomalous second book that
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  Speaker 1: he wrote. But it turns out you can't find it anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: You can't buy it anywhere. You can't find it online anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: But there's all, there's like an Amazon page for it.
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  Speaker 1: There's an Abe Books page for it. There is articles
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  Speaker 1: about it. But you can't read it. You can't find it.
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  Speaker 1: It's vanished without a trace. And there's not even a
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  Speaker 1: comment from Maury Terry on what happened to the second book.
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  Speaker 1: It's just, he said he was going to write it.
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  Speaker 1: People go to look for it. There's literally Amazon pages
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  Speaker 1: and everything with the price and the description of the book.
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  Speaker 1: But you can't buy the book. Can't read the book.
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  Speaker 1: Can't find the book. And so this guy... guy on
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  Speaker 1: YouTube was making a video about it, how he went
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  Speaker 1: on this quest of sorts to try to find this book.
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  Speaker 1: And it's really a mystery about the second book. It
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  Speaker 1: was called The Dark Side of 10th Street. And again,
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  Speaker 1: it's impossible to find, has vanished off the face of
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  Speaker 1: the earth. And we're going to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about this book today and dive into the history of Why,
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  Speaker 1: oh why, this book may have been removed and obliterated
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  Speaker 1: and disintegrated out of history. Before we get started, again,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Murder Monday. If you love what I do,
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  Speaker 1: if you're a long-time listener and member of Room 237,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back. Today is a murder mystery of sorts, and
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  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy it. So Maury Terry, as I
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  Speaker 1: said before, published a book in 1987 called The Ultimate
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  Speaker 1: Evil that focuses on the Son of Sam murders, but
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  Speaker 1: also talks about the Manson murders, the 1974 murder of
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  Speaker 1: Arliss Perry, the murder of Roy Radin, and These murders
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  Speaker 1: are also mentioned in Program to Kill, but again, David
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  Speaker 1: McGowan drew a lot of inspiration for Program to Kill
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  Speaker 1: from The Ultimate Evil. So the basic premise of The
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  Speaker 1: Ultimate Evil is that these murders were not isolated cases. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: these murders were connected to and performed by members of
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  Speaker 1: the same nationwide satanic cult. So it's a very intriguing premise.
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  Speaker 1: and opened people's eyes for the first time that serial
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  Speaker 1: murder is not what it's cracked up to be. And
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  Speaker 1: the book is a bestseller, very well researched, very popular.
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  Speaker 1: Doubleday published it, so it was a major publisher. It
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  Speaker 1: sold extremely well and went through multiple printings. It was
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  Speaker 1: reviewed and featured in a bunch of newspapers and magazines.
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  Speaker 1: And Maury Terry was featured on a Geraldo Rivera episode
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  Speaker 1: about Satanism after the book dropped. And he appeared on
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of other talk shows and shit and TV
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  Speaker 1: shows as an expert on cults. After The Ultimate Evil,
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  Speaker 1: Maury Terry's second book, this mystery book, was The Dark
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  Speaker 1: Side of 10th Street. And again, there's this huge mystery
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  Speaker 1: surrounding this book. It was published by a major publisher
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  Speaker 1: from Maury Terry, who was very high profile. And it
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  Speaker 1: was supposed to be a follow-up to an incredibly successful
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  Speaker 1: first book. And this dark side of 10th Street has
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  Speaker 1: been basically erased from existence. You cannot find a copy anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about the case that the dark side of
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  Speaker 1: 10th Street was all about. Because this is going to
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  Speaker 1: reveal all that we need to know about why the
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  Speaker 1: book was erased from existence. If you look at the
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  Speaker 1: case that this book was covering, it all but tells
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  Speaker 1: you why there is this suppression. So, The Dark Side
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  Speaker 1: of 10th Street was about the Joel Steinberg murder case,
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  Speaker 1: which was one of the most sensational trials of the 1980s,
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  Speaker 1: and somehow I fucking missed it, because I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: shit about it. So, here's the case.
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  Speaker 2: At 6.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: On November 2nd, 1987, a 911 call was placed from
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  Speaker 1: a townhome at 14 West.
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  Speaker 1: 10th street in new york city's greenwich village the caller
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  Speaker 1: said that her six-year-old daughter was not breathing police showed
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  Speaker 1: up to the townhome and described these disgusting depraved awful
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  Speaker 1: fucking conditions they said it looked like a cave the
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  Speaker 1: lights weren't working and there was fucking dirt and nasty
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  Speaker 1: disgusting garbage juice and trash everywhere joel steinberg who owned
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  Speaker 1: the townhome was standing in the living room holding this
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  Speaker 1: six-year-old daughter, quote-unquote, who was comatose and had bruises all
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  Speaker 1: over her body. Steinberg's live-in girlfriend, Hedda Nunsbaum, also was
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  Speaker 1: in the living room. She had two black dyes, and
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  Speaker 1: her face was very bruised and fucked up. It was
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  Speaker 1: described that she looked like she'd been in a boxing match.
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  Speaker 1: And there was also a 16-month-old child who was tethered
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  Speaker 1: to his playpen by a rope that went around his waist. So,
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  Speaker 1: he was tied up like some kind of a fucked-up pet,
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  Speaker 1: and the area around him was, again, filthy, dirty, disgusting, depraved,
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  Speaker 1: no condition for children to be living in. The six-year-old girl,
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  Speaker 1: Lisa Steinberg, was rushed to the hospital and police questioned
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  Speaker 1: Joel Steinberg and had a nunce bomb. They were not married,
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  Speaker 1: but they dated for 17 years and lived together in
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  Speaker 1: the townhome for most of that time. And something that
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  Speaker 1: played a big part later on in this story is
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  Speaker 1: that both of these children living with him were not
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  Speaker 1: their biological children, people. They were adopted, quote unquote. As
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  Speaker 1: doctors were trying to save this little six-year-old girl's life,
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  Speaker 1: Hedda Nunsbaum was also examined, and she was found to
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  Speaker 1: have nine broken ribs, a broken nose, and gangrene on
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  Speaker 1: her leg. So she was in pretty fucked up shape,
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  Speaker 1: and she claimed her injuries were from a fall she'd taken.
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  Speaker 1: And she said that their daughter, quote-unquote, Lisa, had choked
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  Speaker 1: on some food the night before, got sick, and she
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  Speaker 1: was found unresponsive in her bed that morning. Joel Steinberg
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  Speaker 1: said that he'd seen their daughter Lisa get sick last night,
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  Speaker 1: but he thought she'd be fine. So he went out
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  Speaker 1: to eat with a friend, and he was gone for
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  Speaker 1: five hours until midnight. Then he went to bed and
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  Speaker 1: woke up to find the little six-year-old unresponsive that morning.
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  Speaker 1: So the first belief was that Joel Steinberg had beat
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  Speaker 1: both his longtime girlfriend and his so-called daughter. So Joel
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  Speaker 1: Steinberg was charged with endangering the life of a child
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  Speaker 1: and attempted murder. Hedda Nunsbaum was also charged with these
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  Speaker 1: same charges because she She was with Lisa while she
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  Speaker 1: was getting sick and losing consciousness. And while she was
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  Speaker 1: getting sick and losing consciousness, it took almost 12 hours
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  Speaker 1: of this before she called the police or tried to
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  Speaker 1: get help. After three days, the six-year-old girl, Lisa, was
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  Speaker 1: taken off life support and the charges against Joel Steinberg
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  Speaker 1: and Hedda Nussbaum were upgraded to murder.
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  Speaker 2: Murder.
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  Speaker 1: And this case was just a total sensation. It got
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  Speaker 1: a ton of attention for a couple reasons. The first
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  Speaker 1: was that these were upper class people. Very high society.
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  Speaker 1: They lived in Manhattan. Joel Steinberg was a very successful
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  Speaker 1: lawyer and had a nun's bomb. was a children's book
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  Speaker 1: author and editor at Ransom House, or Random House, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: The fuck it's called.
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  Speaker 1: The case also got a lot of attention because the
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  Speaker 1: two children living in this townhome were adopted, quote unquote,
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  Speaker 1: and living in what was described as putrid conditions. Neighbors
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  Speaker 1: said that there was just constant fighting going on in
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  Speaker 1: the townhome, and Hedda Nunn's mom had shown signs of
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  Speaker 1: being abused herself for many years. It was also learned
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  Speaker 1: that the night their daughter got sick, they had both
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  Speaker 1: smoked crack, which was apparently just a common thing for them.
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  Speaker 1: So the question was, well, how did these two people,
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  Speaker 1: who weren't even married, who neighbors constantly complained about, who
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  Speaker 1: was smoking crack... able to adopt two children. There were
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  Speaker 1: also books on demonology and the esoteric found in the
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  Speaker 1: town home, which we'll talk about in just a second,
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  Speaker 1: because it actually is a very important part to this story.
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  Speaker 1: So there was just a lot of intrigue around this case,
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  Speaker 1: and the trial began about a year later in October 1988,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the bombshells that happened at the start
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  Speaker 1: of the trial was that Hedda Nunn's bomb was granted
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  Speaker 1: immunity in exchange for testifying against Joel Steinberg. This was
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  Speaker 1: very controversial because, again, she was smoking crack as Lisa
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  Speaker 1: was losing consciousness that night, and she hadn't called for
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  Speaker 1: help for 12 fucking hours after the in and out
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  Speaker 1: of consciousness shit began. So there was a lot of
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  Speaker 1: questions about what her role was that night, but giving
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  Speaker 1: her immunity for testifying was also seen as necessary because
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  Speaker 1: it was thought that there wouldn't be enough to convict
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  Speaker 1: Joel Steinberg without her testimony. A lot of horseshit to me.
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  Speaker 1: I think she had friends in high places, helping pull
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  Speaker 1: some strings for the old Nussbaum. But on the stand,
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  Speaker 1: she told stories of Joel Steinberg frequently beating her in
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  Speaker 1: the past, but she was very vague with the details.
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  Speaker 1: There were a lot of I don't recalls and I
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  Speaker 1: don't remembers when she was pressed for details. But it
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  Speaker 1: was clear that someone had been beating the shit out
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  Speaker 1: of her. Her friends and co-workers talked of her always
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  Speaker 1: having blacked out eyes and bruises and all types of shit.
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  Speaker 1: She also claimed that she hadn't seen Joel Steinberg hit
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  Speaker 1: their daughter that night. But she'd seen him shove her
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  Speaker 1: in the past and again was very vague with the details.
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  Speaker 1: She also wrote Joel Steinberg letters while they were apart
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  Speaker 1: in the months leading up to the trial and was
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  Speaker 1: described as disappointed in not being able to visit him.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a little weird. You want to go visit
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's been knocking your dick in the dirt,
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  Speaker 1: shoving your kids around, but you want to go visit him. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: and you're also testifying against him. And this is very
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  Speaker 1: reminiscent of of a case that's going on right now
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  Speaker 1: with Lindsay Clancy, because this bitch clearly, obviously, had more
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  Speaker 1: to do with this little girl's death than she's letting on.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of people, especially women's rights groups, wrote
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  Speaker 1: about this case and defended her, because they said it
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  Speaker 1: was an example of a battered woman being unable to
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  Speaker 1: leave an abuser. And, you know, the rest followed. Dot, dot, dot.
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  Speaker 1: It's very reminiscent of the pink shirts and the Lindsay Clancy.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to show you, oh yes, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to show you how this could have been a precursor
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  Speaker 1: to the Lindsay Clancy. So, Joel Steinberg, from the start,
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  Speaker 1: claimed that Hedda Nunsbaum was a member of a cult
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  Speaker 1: involved in hypnotism and mind control. and very extreme torture
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  Speaker 1: and abuse. And this cult was responsible for her beatings.
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  Speaker 1: And this cult was made up of very rich, very
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  Speaker 1: powerful people throughout New York. And Steinberg was so scared
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  Speaker 1: of this cult that one of the first things he
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  Speaker 1: said to his lawyer was that this cult would kill
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  Speaker 1: him if all was revealed. He also said that their
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  Speaker 1: daughter Lisa had been abused by this cult. And this
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  Speaker 1: talk of a cult being involved was seen as just
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  Speaker 1: a desperate attempt at defending himself. The media said it
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  Speaker 1: was totally bogus and nonsense and crazy. And at the
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  Speaker 1: start of his trial, Joel Steinberg's lawyers went for an
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  Speaker 1: insanity defense. Sound familiar? Because They claimed Steinberg was delusional
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  Speaker 1: because of his beliefs about this cult. They later changed
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  Speaker 1: their strategy and said that Hedda Nunsbaum, not Joel Steinberg,
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  Speaker 1: had caused Lisa's injuries that night. This strategy did not work,
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  Speaker 1: and after 12 weeks, Joel Steinberg was convicted of manslaughter
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  Speaker 1: and sentenced to a maximum of 25 years in prison.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a terrible, fucked up, weird, bizarre, programmed to
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  Speaker 1: kill case. Obviously a tragedy, but everything that was written
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  Speaker 1: about this case, and there was a lot written about it,
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  Speaker 1: it all focuses on how much of a dirtbag prick
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  Speaker 1: of a soulless monster Joel Steinberg was and how Lisa's
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  Speaker 1: life was basically one big nightmare and poor her. But
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  Speaker 1: there was no real investigation of this cult that Steinberg
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  Speaker 1: claimed was behind all this. And that's where Maury Terry
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  Speaker 1: comes in. Sheesh! What a cliffhanger. Heavens to Murgatroyd. How
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  Speaker 1: on earth are you going to get through the rest
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