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The Vax Injured Have Some Hope · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 2: of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism. It's time
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  Speaker 2: for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott. Thousands of
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  Speaker 2: people still suffer today from vaccine injuries taken from the
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  Speaker 2: COVID vaccine. Before that, there were vaccine injuries of many types.
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  Speaker 2: What is the answer? How do we get help with this?
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  Speaker 2: Because I've had many people on this program that have
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  Speaker 2: suffered from vaccine injuries. I've also had someone a few
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  Speaker 2: times who works in that field. Her name is Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Irene Mavrikakis. She's a friend of mine, an associate, a
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  Speaker 2: colleague in Liberty, and we have her back on the
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  Speaker 2: program tonight. I'm Booker, and this is The Truth Be Told. Irene, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Irene Mavrikakis, welcome back to the program. It's great to
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  Speaker 2: have you.
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  Speaker 3: Booker. Well, thank you so much for having me on
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  Speaker 3: to discuss this important topic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is important. And you know, when the COVID
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  Speaker 2: vaccine came out, and I think died suddenly, the whole
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  Speaker 2: died suddenly thing, I think it kind of wasn't real helpful.
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  Speaker 2: Because so many people thought that if you took the
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  Speaker 2: vaccine that you died. So many people thought if you
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  Speaker 2: took the vaccine, then you got myocarditis. And that's really
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  Speaker 2: just not even close to the truth. But I think
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  Speaker 2: there are people that still believe that. And I think
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  Speaker 2: in some ways, people that claim to have a vaccine
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  Speaker 2: injury from COVID vaccine or any others, I believe that
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  Speaker 2: clouded the water for those people. Because you and I,
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  Speaker 2: it's your business. It's what you do in the medical field.
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  Speaker 2: And I've had people on this program before that suffer
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  Speaker 2: from the COVID vaccine injury. We know that it's real
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  Speaker 2: and it's affecting people's lives. And I think all of
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  Speaker 2: that died suddenly stuff, I think it kind of hurt
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  Speaker 2: the people that are really hurt from vaccine injuries. And
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  Speaker 2: I've said this before when you've been on the program,
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  Speaker 2: you are someone that was vax injured yourself many years ago.
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  Speaker 2: This was going back 13, 14 years ago. Since that time,
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  Speaker 2: you have made it a part of your practice. And
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  Speaker 2: now you're trying to get into it a little bit
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  Speaker 2: deeper to try to find some answers for these people
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  Speaker 2: that were injured during the COVID vaccine.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you make some good points. Yeah, I was
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  Speaker 3: vaccine injured in 2012 and was really sick for over
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  Speaker 3: eight years and found my way back to health from
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  Speaker 3: a combination of allopathic medicine and complementary and alternative medicine
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  Speaker 3: and some interesting nutritional changes. But I was a frequent
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  Speaker 3: flyer in the emergency room for a long time. And inadvertently,
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  Speaker 3: through my practice as an interventional spine and musculoskeletal specialist
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  Speaker 3: over the years, vaccine injured patients will present as musculoskeletal
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  Speaker 3: or neurological pain, things like CIDP, which is chronic immune
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  Speaker 3: demyelinating polyneuropathy. It presents with pain and weakness in the legs,
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  Speaker 3: but often they get referred for a spine condition. And
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  Speaker 3: so over the years, I wound up figuring it out
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  Speaker 3: that some of these people have vaccine injury. There's a
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  Speaker 3: condition called adhesive capsulitis or frozen shoulder, but some of
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  Speaker 3: these people, the timeline is three weeks to three months
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  Speaker 3: after a vaccine. And it's really shoulder injury related to
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  Speaker 3: vaccine administration or called server. And it's a compensable vaccine
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  Speaker 3: injury on the traditional vaccine adverse event reporting system vaccine injury. which,
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  Speaker 3: of course, we have this health care compensation fund to
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  Speaker 3: pay injuries because vaccine makers have product liability protection from
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  Speaker 3: a 1986 law. So you make a lot of good
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  Speaker 3: points to the extent by which we focus too much
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  Speaker 3: on the people dying from them. But what I've been
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  Speaker 3: saying to people recently, and I think this is a
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  Speaker 3: good point, and you can tell me if you think
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  Speaker 3: it is or not.
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  Speaker 2: You know I will.
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  Speaker 3: If you all can accept people on daily medications, that
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  Speaker 3: come into my office and they talk about, I think
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  Speaker 3: I'm having a side effect. And if we're supposed to
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  Speaker 3: explain risks and benefits and side effects of medications, and
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  Speaker 3: we acknowledge that patients have side effects from oral medications
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  Speaker 3: and doctors take patients off of medications all the time
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  Speaker 3: from side effects. Not just allergy, which is a whole
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  Speaker 3: other thing, because there's an allergy component with these vaccines
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  Speaker 3: that can happen in the patients. And there's a histamine-related
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  Speaker 3: vaccine adverse reaction. And we acknowledge all of that. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand what kind of cognitive dissonance the world has,
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  Speaker 3: or my physician colleagues for the most part, to think
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  Speaker 3: that injecting something into a human or a baby can't
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  Speaker 3: possibly have side effects that we'd want to assess, diagnose,
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  Speaker 3: and treat. So I don't understand what is wrong with
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  Speaker 3: the world regards to this. I don't know why everybody
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  Speaker 3: has their head in the sand about it. But if
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  Speaker 3: we acknowledge it for something taken orally, it's much more
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  Speaker 3: an offensive event to the human body when you inject something.
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  Speaker 2: I can't push back because I agree with everything you said.
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  Speaker 2: A vaccine is nothing more than a medicine. And if
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  Speaker 2: you watch television and you see these 30-second commercials for
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  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical companies and new medications, It's 25 seconds of a disclaimer,
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  Speaker 2: and most of which I don't want any of those
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  Speaker 2: side effects. And if you only listen to the side
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  Speaker 2: effects that come with most of these medications, you probably
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't take the medication either. But I guess sometimes we
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  Speaker 2: need the medication to keep us alive. And I guess
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  Speaker 2: some would argue that these vaccines are maybe in that category.
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  Speaker 2: I know some people argue that. I know some are
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  Speaker 2: against them totally. I don't necessarily think that's the best idea,
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  Speaker 2: I think. There are some good vaccines. They have been
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  Speaker 2: proven like polio through the years that they're good vaccines.
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  Speaker 2: But even those have side effects. And for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: like you said, the medical professionals. They buried their head
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  Speaker 2: in the sand or didn't want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows why, whether it was political coming from up above,
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  Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical companies, wherever it was, they didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: admit what was actually happening. And when you give as
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  Speaker 2: many people as we did a shot, a vaccine, then
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  Speaker 2: you're going to see big numbers. And we saw big numbers,
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  Speaker 2: whether it was people dying, turbo cancers now and Then
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  Speaker 2: people that you work with every day, those that have
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  Speaker 2: been vaccine injured, and I've had them on the show before,
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  Speaker 2: and they've talked about, well, literally within 24 hours of
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  Speaker 2: taking the COVID vaccine, they were feeling it. They knew
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  Speaker 2: something was wrong. They were becoming sick, and they really
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  Speaker 2: don't have any solutions and answers for them. But that's
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  Speaker 2: what you're trying to work on is finding a cure
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  Speaker 2: for these people. And many of them are walking around
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  Speaker 2: in society today that are still suffering from the vaccine
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  Speaker 2: injury from COVID. What you are doing right now is
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  Speaker 2: the Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of Excellence and Research. And
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  Speaker 2: this is a clinical trial consortium that you're putting together.
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  Speaker 2: Liberty Speaks is. And you are working with many doctors.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's over 50 that you have put together
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  Speaker 2: to try to work something out to try to help
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  Speaker 2: these people. Talk about it a little bit. Talk about
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  Speaker 2: what you're trying to accomplish here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the point of the consortium is that we
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  Speaker 3: already have doctors and allied health professionals who have been
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  Speaker 3: treating both the COVID vaccine injury, and COVID vaccine is
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  Speaker 3: really a biologic, but we won't get stuck on that,
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  Speaker 3: and long COVID, which is all in the same spectrum,
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  Speaker 3: and then the other types of vaccine injuries, some of
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  Speaker 3: them for more than a decade. But we don't have
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  Speaker 3: clinical trials for the most part. And it's interesting, if
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  Speaker 3: we want to say that the medical freedom movement and
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  Speaker 3: truth in medicine movement is about science, then we have
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  Speaker 3: to have clinical trials, A, because we have to show
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  Speaker 3: the data and demonstrate that it's efficacious. And then we
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  Speaker 3: have to be able to share that so we can
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  Speaker 3: give treatment more broadly across the country. So the treatment
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  Speaker 3: for vaccine injury, and I lived it myself, and it's
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  Speaker 3: still the case, is very haphazard. It's difficult. It's not standardized.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of the protocols, and we can go
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  Speaker 3: through them, have been used by various physicians for treatment
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  Speaker 3: for a long time, but we don't have the clinical trials.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the point to talk about is, you know, well,
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  Speaker 3: why wouldn't they have rushed to do clinical trials either
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  Speaker 3: recently or previously? And I have been bothering the administration
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  Speaker 3: through public and internal channel because what I wanted was
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  Speaker 3: a National Institute of Health Vaccine Injury Center Treatment and
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  Speaker 3: Consortium so that we would go through the NIH.
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  Speaker 2: Irene, is there not a place where these different treatments
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  Speaker 2: are aggregated so that others can see what other doctors
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  Speaker 2: are doing? Is that a part of the problem as well?
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. So these doctors in the consortium, and there's
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  Speaker 3: others that we haven't brought in, which we're working on,
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  Speaker 3: are all across the country doing their protocols. And they
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  Speaker 3: have data. You know, they are paying attention to their
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  Speaker 3: own data. And they are showing a lot of positive
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  Speaker 3: results both in symptomatology, the patient's symptoms, and in laboratory values,
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  Speaker 3: which is why I formed the consortium. And there's no...
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  Speaker 3: ability currently in the political climate of the current administration
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  Speaker 3: for a vaccine injury treatment center and clinical trial consortium
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  Speaker 3: to come out of the NIH. It's not happening right now.
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  Speaker 3: And so as a libertarian, I made a decision maybe
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  Speaker 3: six months ago that we don't really need the government
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  Speaker 3: to do clinical trials. And I need to expand on
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  Speaker 3: that because you kind of do. the way things are
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  Speaker 3: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's three different ways for clinical trials. So talk
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  Speaker 2: about that a little bit because it's not cheap to do.
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  Speaker 2: You're doing a fundraiser and you're doing really well on
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  Speaker 2: that fundraiser too, by the way. We're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about that, give people an opportunity to maybe help you
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  Speaker 2: out if they feel like it's something they want to do.
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  Speaker 2: But talk about that process, the approval, the IRB approval process.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me go back to the three ways to
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  Speaker 3: run clinical trials. So there's industry-funded, which is like pharma industry-funded,
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  Speaker 3: and they're significantly more likely to get published and often
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  Speaker 3: show positive results. So that's like big pharma, like industry pharma.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really think we're going to get funding from
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  Speaker 3: big pharma, at least not the traditional big pharma.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't think so, no. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's academic centers, but they're very much about
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  Speaker 3: publish and perish. And there's a lot of influences. It
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  Speaker 3: would be unlikely for us to do that. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we're open to going to all these pathways and then self-funded,
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  Speaker 3: very rare programs. And there's two aspects of where you
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  Speaker 3: need to get the money from. So the first basic
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  Speaker 3: thing that we need to do is IRB, Institutional Review
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  Speaker 3: Board approval. So we're working with an independent IRB. And
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  Speaker 3: what that is, is really a group of people approve
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  Speaker 3: it more from like, is this... Is it the protocol
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  Speaker 3: given informed consent? Is human subject treatment appropriate and ethical
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  Speaker 3: and follows all the code of ethics? You know, that
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  Speaker 3: kind of should this even be done? And so the
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  Speaker 3: review board typically costs around thirty five hundred dollars per
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  Speaker 3: clinical trial just to get approval to proceed with. And
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  Speaker 3: you're never going to get grants from anywhere if you
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  Speaker 3: don't have IRB approval. You can't do the clinical trial.
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  Speaker 2: So that's sort of the first step. The first step
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  Speaker 2: then is that, and it costs $ 3, 500 just to get
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  Speaker 2: into the door, just to get this approval. And then
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  Speaker 2: that approval then can take you further.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And then once you're approved, then you can apply for
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  Speaker 3: grant money. So the idea is that we want multi-center trials, right?
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  Speaker 3: So we have physicians all over the country. We have
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  Speaker 3: draft trials. And I'd like to go through the draft
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  Speaker 3: trials briefly and explain them. There's one that's really important.
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  Speaker 3: They're doing patients in Japan with this one trial. And
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  Speaker 3: so then once you get IRB approval, then you apply
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  Speaker 3: to grants. And we know where the grant money is
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  Speaker 3: and we know where we're going to apply to. for
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  Speaker 3: the grants and there's definitely a lot of opportunities including
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  Speaker 3: government grants. So I'm not saying that we're not gonna
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  Speaker 3: be able to get grants from the NIH and other
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  Speaker 3: places and private grants. So we have that all kind
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  Speaker 3: of worked out where we're gonna go once we get
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  Speaker 3: IRB approval. I won't discuss any more details about that. But,
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  Speaker 3: you know, clinical trials can cost $ 500, 000 a million, depending
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  Speaker 3: on what we're doing. It's a lot of money. So,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, to be honest with you, as a libertarian,
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  Speaker 3: if I had my druthers, I would crowdsource fund the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing, you know, raise $ 20 million, build a couple
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  Speaker 3: of brick and mortars. That's what I wanted at the NIH.
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  Speaker 3: That's my dream.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 3: The writing was on the wall. I mean, I was
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  Speaker 3: directly told that it needs to be done this way.
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  Speaker 3: Decentralized private physicians. And that is quintessential libertarian, right? We
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  Speaker 3: as physicians in this country can choose to find a
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  Speaker 3: way to do clinical trials without the influences of the
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  Speaker 3: powers that be that have been really not doing a
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  Speaker 3: service to this country and ignoring the vaccine in Europe.
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  Speaker 3: And it has to stop. And so as someone who
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  Speaker 3: was vaccine injured myself and treating vaccine injuries for a
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  Speaker 3: long time, it was my calling.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're glad you're doing it. And I hope that
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  Speaker 2: you get enough money to get this off the ground.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk about that right now. This is Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Irene Mavrikakis. Liberty Speaks, Inc. is the name of her 501c4.
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  Speaker 2: She is trying to raise money to, you know, get
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  Speaker 2: some help for the vaccine injured people that really are
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  Speaker 2: just lost out there. They don't know where to go.
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  Speaker 2: They don't know what kind of help they can get.
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  Speaker 2: And Irene is one of those people that is working
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  Speaker 2: with them every day. She's trying to pull this together.
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  Speaker 2: And if you notice, she says consortium. I say consortium.
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  Speaker 2: And we had this conversation before. We started this broadcast,
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  Speaker 2: and we realized that we said it two different ways,
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  Speaker 2: and both of us were like, well, which one is right?
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  Speaker 2: And Irene went to artificial intelligence, and we found out
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  Speaker 2: we're both right. So if you say consortium, you're okay,
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  Speaker 2: and if you say it like I do, consortium, you're
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  Speaker 2: okay too, but She's bringing together over 50 doctors together
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  Speaker 2: to do this. It's not going to be cheap. As
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  Speaker 2: you heard, it's $ 3, 500 just to get in the door. Irene,
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  Speaker 2: tell everybody where to go and how to give, even
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  Speaker 2: if it's just a little bit of money. If you're
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  Speaker 2: interested in helping people that are vaccine injured, Irene, tell
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  Speaker 2: them where people can go.
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  Speaker 3: So we started a fundraiser on GiveButter. I've used them before,
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  Speaker 3: so they don't steal your money. So we thought that
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  Speaker 3: would be a good idea. So the Give Butter fundraiser
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  Speaker 3: is run by Liberty Speaks, which is my 501c4, because
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  Speaker 3: I deliberately didn't incorporate the consortium. So it's completely a
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  Speaker 3: voluntary association. And there's a lot of reasons why we
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  Speaker 3: did that. We want the physicians to maintain the independence.
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  Speaker 3: But I needed a fiscal fundraising sponsor. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Liberty Speaks is a 501c4. That's a social justice organization. nonprofit.
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  Speaker 3: And so 100% of the money that we raise goes
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  Speaker 3: to the different types of IRB approvals for the different
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  Speaker 3: draft trials. But the first one is what we call
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  Speaker 3: Japan A trial, which I do want to talk about
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  Speaker 3: maybe some of the other ones.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to get to it right after the break.
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  Speaker 2: But give everybody the website real quick where to go.
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  Speaker 2: You said give butter, let's say skip butter.com. And then
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  Speaker 2: what else is after? What do they do? They go
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  Speaker 2: look for it. Under your name, Liberty Speaks, or is
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  Speaker 2: it GiveButter.com slash Liberty Speaks, something like that?
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  Speaker 3: It's GiveButter.com, the Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of Excellence and
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  Speaker 3: Clinical Trial Consortium. But what they can do is if
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  Speaker 3: you go to my Twitter, at Irene Mavrikakis, it's up there.
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  Speaker 3: And if you go to Liberty Speaks, which is at
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  Speaker 3: National Speaks, and also Dr. Bowden has it up all
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  Speaker 3: the time, there's links to the GiveButter. It's also on
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  Speaker 3: Liberty Speaks, the promo videos on Liberty Speaks on Rumble,
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  Speaker 3: on the Liberty Speaks Rumble page, the video that has
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  Speaker 3: all the links with a Q code and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: So if they find me there. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Her name is Dr. Irene Mavrikakis. We're up against a break.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to take it right now. But when we
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  Speaker 2: come back, we're going to talk about some of these
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  Speaker 2: trials she's mentioned previously. Japan a trial. There's more than
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  Speaker 2: that to discuss. We'll continue this conversation in minutes. More
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  Speaker 2: I am Booker Scott. Thank you so much for joining
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  Speaker 2: us tonight. And we're having a conversation about the vaccine injured.
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  Speaker 2: There are so many of them out there, not just
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  Speaker 2: COVID-19 vaccine injuries, but there are vaccine injuries from all
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  Speaker 2: types of vaccines.
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  Speaker 1: And Dr.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: I noticed I say Maverick caucus. You say Maverick caucus.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to go with you from now on.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I've always just called you Maverick caucus, but I will
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: go your way because it's your name. And I will
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: say your name the way that you pronounce it. So
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: we're talking about this Japan, a trial. You brought it
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: up a couple of times. Let's get into that. What
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: is that about? What are they trying to do? And
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: obviously they're trying to accomplish something. Let's talk about what
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: this is.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's very important for people to understand, you know,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: what do we even mean by vaccine injuries? So the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: idea of vaccines is to make your immune system ready
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: for the subsequent illness by ramping it up. But sometimes
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: the immune system just keeps ramping up. And depending on
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: the situation, this is just in broad terms. And so
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: the ramp up could be autoimmune and the autoimmune could
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: attack your immune system. Like the classic vaccine injury that
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: everybody knows is Guillain-Barre, which is the ascending paralysis. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: they treat it with plasmapheresis and IV IgG. What does
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: that mean?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people that took COVID-19, they got
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: that as well.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: But so the idea is you have all these immune
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: cells and they keep going. And then the cytokine storm
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: is really like the reaction that your body's trying to fight.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: When you get sick, you get all snotty and everything.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: And that's kind of like the basic premise of cytokine
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: storm and you get leaky vessels and all this kind
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: of stuff. But if it doesn't stop, you just lose
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of energy and a lot of nutrients and
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of electrolytes and it causes havoc and you
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: become not in biochemical order. So it's kind of like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: To pretend there's no vaccine injury is kind of stupid
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: because then you're pretending that you don't understand what the
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: point of what you were doing in the first place
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: with the vaccine was to ramp up the immune system.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: But it doesn't have a lot of controls on it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: So inadvertently and expectedly, you're going to have problems, including allergy,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: which is another component of the cytokine storm. And I
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: wrote a few papers on that stuff. And so what
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: is this about? So this particular Japan, a trial they're
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: doing the McCurran trial, they have, uh, up to 17 patient, uh,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: is actually there now. She's starting treatment, uh, today in
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Japan time, I believe. Um, and so the idea is
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: to clean all that cytokine stuff out and find these, um,
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: different things that happen as a consequence of the COVID shot,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: which is a bioweapon, and clean out all of it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And so it's plasma adsorption therapy is the first part,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: dual filtration, clean out all the extra immune cells. It's
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: similar to plasmapheresis, but much more specific therapy. And it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: getting the amyloid out, all of these things you hear
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: on the internet about just your immune systems releasing all
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: these things. And then that's making you even sicker because
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: you're just, everything's going haywire. So it's called plasma absorption therapy, right?
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: And then the second part is so interesting because Dr.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Kato is the physician there and his family owns the hospital.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: And they've been using both plasma absorption therapy and plasmapheresis
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: and these various things for decades. And the second half
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: of it is stem cells. Now, the stem cells in Japan,
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: their source is so interesting and I have a funny
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: epiphany related to it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Because I think I know where you're going
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: because this caught my attention when I read through your paper.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: And I'm so stuck on it. So I hope you
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: get stuck on it too because I find it so interesting.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: People just roll their eyes. They're like, Dr. Mav, really?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, really. So because when we met with Dr.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Cato online, he said you want the most primordial basic
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: stem cells, right? The less, the more... less differentiated and
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: less antigenic, less allergy producing, less reactive, right? Stem cells,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: basic stem cells, the better it is for the recovery.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: That's me trying to explain something very complex. So in Japan,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: primary tooth pulp stem cells is used all the time,
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: which is baby teeth, okay? And the reason why we
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: have Japan B trial is, I'll explain, it's because neither
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: one of these is FDA approved. But we have similar
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: in America. So I don't want to wait. So I
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: want to start potentially with Japan B, although the first
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: thirty five hundred dollars is going already. I already transferred
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: the money to Liberty Speaks bank account and I'll be
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: paying for their IRB in the next few days is
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: going to Japan A. So we can start working on
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: it because they have to do. a lot more approvals
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: because they have to do FDA issues and it's a
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: whole thing.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: So I want to stop you right here because you
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: haven't gotten into the tooth pulp stem cells enough for me.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: You know how I am. So they come from baby teeth.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Okay. How much of this do you need? Because baby's
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: teeth are not very big. It doesn't seem like there
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: would be a lot of stem cells in there. How
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: does that work? Is there enough to create the protocol
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: for this treatment?
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they have a whole protocol in Japan,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: and I don't know the details.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if there were a lot of people
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: walking around Japan with no teeth because they use their
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: tooth pulp.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: No, no, but baby teeth. Now think about our culture.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Think about what we do with baby teeth in our culture.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: And what my hypothesis is, is our caveman ancestors probably
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: were using baby teeth stem cells, but now our materialistic
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: culture has the tooth fairy putting $ 2 under the pillow
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: for the, I, my hypothesis is that's where it came from.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And we knew some point, Right. Think about it. Why
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: the hell do we have the tooth fairy paying for
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: baby teeth?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was a gimmick to get your
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: kids to act right. Just like Santa Claus and the others.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but like, think about it. Like, did
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: we in the past, did we, did we historically forget?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Did our ancestors, I've been trying to look it up,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: but you know, it's hard. I just, I just went
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: on this rabbit hole. Did they know, did our ancestors
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: take baby teeth, take this stuff out and grind it
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: up and, and, Use it for medicinal treatment. Did the
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: shaman use, like, I don't know, don't they all have
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: teeth around them? And when you look at Africa and
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: the shamans, don't they have?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, they do, yeah.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Yes!
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. I didn't think about it from that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: aspect of it. But let me ask you this. How
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: did these people in Japan think of this?
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: They've been doing it for a long time.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it's going all the way back
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: to the cavemen, then, possibly.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but don't you think it's interesting? I do.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: It's just wild.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: That's why I've been talking about it for five minutes.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I saw this when I read through this, and I'm like,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about this. I want to learn
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: more about this. But let's move on to Japan B trial.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: You say you're going to forward them the money, $ 3, 500,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to get that approval that you need really to get
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: in the door. So what about Japan B trial?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: So Japan B is using the most advanced plasma exchange
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: or filtration that we have FDA approved. And I've spoken
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: to a physician who has a pretty high level one
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: that he's in FDA approval.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Can you explain that, please, to the audience? The plasma exchange.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: So it's all like, so plasma for recess, then plasma absorption,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: plasma exchange, it's all in the spectrum, different subtypes. And
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot of this myself, to be honest
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: with you. So if I make any wrong claims, like,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: please bear with me because I've had to learn all
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: of this. In addition, um, is really cleaning out all
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the cytokines and cleaning out all the immunoglobulins and cleaning
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: out all the amyloid. But there's different levels and specificity.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: So the one in Japan, it's high... um, highly specific
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: to taking out the things that Kevin McCurran has found
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: in the lab, because he's been researching what is in
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the blood of the people that are really sick, right?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: So very specific and dual filtration. So just cleaning out
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: all the junk, right? And then these are just different
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: types of it, right? So the best possible, um, plasma
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: cleaning out system that we have in the United States, right?
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: And then either amniotic stem cells or umbilical cord stem cells, right?
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: So they're as early on as you can, which some
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: people would be like, wouldn't they be better than the
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: tooth stem cells? But Dr. Cato told me that the
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: baby teeth stem cells are the best for whatever reason.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: They've been researching it for decades. And If you ever
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: talk to Dr. Cato, I trust what that man says
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: because he knows. His family has owned this private hospital
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: in Japan for many, many generations. And they took these
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: researchers and are literally treating the patients there. And just
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: such an honorable man. I can't even explain how enamored
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: and grateful I am to know these people.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope that you guys get somewhere to help
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: all of these people that are out there hurting and
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: really don't have any answers. That seems to be the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: common thread between all of the ones that I've talked to,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the ones that I've had come on the show. They
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: just get frustrated because there are really no answers for them,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: and you're trying to provide an answer for them in
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: these treatments. Let's talk about the different treatment arms. I
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: know that you discuss this in your paper. Let's talk
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: about those.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, the third trial is the physiologic optimization trial. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: that's a couple of things. where they do various types
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: of detox plus they look familiar, like the bromelain. Some
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: of it has some of the McCullough protocol stuff and
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: then Pico IV. So these are different things that have
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: been used, nutraceuticals and other types of treatments that this
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: protocol is to doctorize. that have been doing this for years, right?
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: But now we're going to bring them into clinical trials,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: bring them into the forefront, show our data, publish our data,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: and bring these treatments out to the masses. Because them
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: just doing it here and there is not helping all
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: the sick people. And we have to be better scientists
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: than the predecessors that got us to this point. And
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: then there's another one called the multimodal trial that uses,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: it has four, three arms and it's various types of
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: nutraceuticals and other types of treatments, more on the complimentary
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: alternative medicine side. The fifth trial is a platelet rich plasma.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: This has been used for years on other types of
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: vaccine injuries, um, And we want to bring that as
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: well into the forefront. And then there's another one called Medicinals.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: It has a lot of studies in other countries. And
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: it would be Medicinals versus McCullough. But we might just
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: do Medicinals versus Placebo. So that's subject to change. And
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: then I had an email exchange with Dr. McCullough. And
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: he wants to do McCullough Protocol versus Placebo. So he's
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: going to work on writing that up. And then there's
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: a really confidential, controversial study that I'm working on with
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: another physician that is very important. And we're not ready
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: to discuss because we have to have all our ducks
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: in a row regarding it. And then another trial on
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: the IgE component of the cytokine storm.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Do you know much about platelet-rich plasma trial that's going
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: on as part of this?
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: It's not my trial. It's another physician's. It's definitely on
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: that same spectrum of fixing the infraction of the biochemical
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: order that happens with the vaccine injury, like trying to
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: do more of a reset, right?
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense? This treatment... Like I mentioned, I
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: know who the physician is, and it's been used for
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: a while for all the vaccine entries, like I mentioned before.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I deliberately did not put any of the physicians attached
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: to their trials because some remain behind the scenes still
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: and are not interested in being public about this until
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: we go past a grant approval process. So the only
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: two people that are talking on Twitter and the like
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: about being principal investigators right now are myself and Dr.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Mary Talen Bowden, who wants to do the Japan A
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: trial with a couple of other physicians. And so in
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: conjunction with the Japan training, because some of the physicians
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: want to wait until we have everything more established before
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: they're public. So it's not named in there and people
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: have asked me why. And so I'm trying to get
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: it out there that we just want to leave these
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: physicians alone to save lives. And again, Like I said,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I think we're very susceptible to people already trying to
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: question and things. And so we just want the data
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: and the clinical trials to speak to ourselves for themselves
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and be scientists about it. And most of them really
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: just couldn't be bothered with the public part of it,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: which is, I guess, my job.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Once you get through the process here and we find
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: something that works and is helping people, how do you
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: get the word out to all of the other doctors?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I imagine it's through the papers that you guys will
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: be doing. How will those be dispersed among everybody out
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: there in the country in the medical profession?
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, once we get grant approval, and
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: let me tell you, the data on the first 14
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: patients in Japan, it These people are much better after
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: one series of treatments. I'm going to cry.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I heard the same thing about the antibodies that we
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: use during COVID. It was the same way. People went
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: in very sick, and within 30 minutes, an hour, they're
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: feeling much better. Maybe that's some of what's going on
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: here with this Japan A trial.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: Right. It's like it's like it's based also, if you
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: think about this, the terrain versus germ theory of disease.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: And think about it. If you had a fish in
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: a fish tank that was really dirty and the fish
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: was sick, wouldn't you clean out the fish tank at least?
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: So we're kind of cleaning out the fish tank. We
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: still have other things to do. They still were injected
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: with synthetic messenger RNA that makes them a spike protein
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: producing factory plus other contaminants of the COVID biologic mRNA bioweapon.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: And the long COVID patients are also included in some
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: of these because it's the same concept. They're sick. Their
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: fish tank is dirty, right?
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: So.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: And then the stem cells for the Japan trial is,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: you know, to try and reset. And each of these
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: have various levels of trying to reset and help the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: biochemical order and bring them back to health and wellness.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: So you have to take out the trash and then
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: you have to restore health.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is not to be honest. This is
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: all basic medicine. No, no, no. This is... No, no,
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: it really isn't. Like, I don't know what's wrong with
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the world, but this is all based on basic medical
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: science that we all should understand and know. This is
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: not anything outside the realm of basic medical understandings. I'm
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: not sure it freaks me out, like what happened to
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: the world, really, but this is not out there. And so...
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I think it's important for us to understand that the
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: crime against humanity was injecting an unsafe, untested bioweapon into people.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: But the crime against humanity part two is that they
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: failed to diagnose the vaccine injury. Like, for example, they've
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: been treating post-vaccination induced myocarditis, the immune side, which is
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: an autoimmune component of myocarditis, some of the cases. It's
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: been known for more than a decade or longer with
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: IV IgG, which is like injecting other immune cells to
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: neutralize the immune cells that are attacking your system, your
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: nervous system and your heart. Like those people, if their
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: symptoms were recognized post-vaccination, they could have had plasmapheresis and
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: IV IgG and other sorts of things that have been used.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: It's been known there's papers on it. Right. But they weren't.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: They ignored. And then you get damage. Right. The myocarditis
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: is inflammation of the heart and attacking of the immune
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: system of the heart. And then. Not all the cases
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: are this. This is just one subtype, right? And then
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: you get heart failure from the damage, which has a
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: 20% five-year survival rate. But we could have diagnosed the
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: delay in diagnosis earlier. Failure to provide accurate diagnosis of
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: a post-injection injury is substandard care. It's not appropriate medicine.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: We're supposed to first do no harm and we're supposed
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: to run the differential diagnosis and see what's wrong with
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the patient. But because for some reason, narrative is that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: you can't get hurt from something that's injected to you.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: It's absurd because I do spinal injections and I provide
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: informed consent and I literally tell people that they can
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: have problems and side effects, some of them horrible.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Her name is Dr. Irene Mavrikakis, and she is doing this.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of Excellence and Research Clinical Trial
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Consortium or Consortium, however you want to say it. We
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: discovered tonight that either way is just fine. Don't worry
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: about it. The important thing is go to givebutter.com and
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: find this. If you want to help, if you want
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: to help, it'd be great. so that they can get
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: off the ground to start helping people that have been
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: vaccine injured, whether it was COVID-19 or any other vaccine injury,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: because there are a lot. It's not just COVID-19 vaccine. Again,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: it's the Vaccine Injury Treatment Center of Excellence and Research
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Clinical Trial Consortium. And Dr. Irene Mavrikakis, tell us again
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: your Twitter handle, because you mentioned it is the best
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: place to kind of reach out to you and find
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: information about this. So please do that for us.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's at Irene Mavropakis. And the other place that
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: you can find a little blurb about the consortium is
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: on a Coalition of the Free website, Coalition of the Free.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: And there's a little page, a landing page on Coalition
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: of the Free that goes over... the consortium and has
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: a link to the give butter, but if they just
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: go on Twitter and find me, they can find the
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: gift butter and we only launched it. Um, let's see.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You're doing great. You're doing great. When last Thursday you're
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: doing fantastic raising money.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: We're halfway. I think we're like at 14,000 plus, you know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: reading the comments, you know, I cry every couple of
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: hours and then I, Thank each one of them. And
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: it's just amazing that we're doing this. And my libertarian
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: heart is happy actually to be doing this in a
• 39:32
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• 39:40
  Speaker 3: that really we should just do this on its own.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: And I think that's the epiphany for me.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I think it kind of worked out the way that
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: it was supposed to, don't you?
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, you kind of know me
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: well enough. I'm not really sure that I like to
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: be told what to do. Coalitionofthefree.com, which is a coalition
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: that I started with the national chair of the We
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: the People Party and RLC, Republican Liberty Caucus is involved.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: And we're working on candidates to get elected in the
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: state and federal houses that are not corrupted and captured.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: But When we if you go to the our coalition page,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: we put a whole landing page on the consortium with
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: extra information and a link to the give butter. So
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: that's at coalition of the free dot com. And then
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: if you click on the our coalition button, that's also
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: a good place to and easy to remember other than
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: at Irene Mavrikakis Twitter.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Irene, thank you so much, friend, for coming on the
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: program and sharing all of this information. I appreciate you
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: coming on the program.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Well, thanks so much, Booker. And I really appreciate your
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: friendship and you being my colleague and Liberty and all
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the other shenanigans we get into.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, have a great night. I appreciate it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Booker.
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• 42:12
  Speaker 2: You know, when we came through COVID, What a mess
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• 42:18
  Speaker 2: us in so many different ways. When you think about
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the kids in school and not being in school socially,
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: they've probably been set back forever. But it affected adults also.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And one of those adults that was affected greatly coming
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: through that mess was Dr. Dawn Michael. And I want
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: her to share her story about what happened, what she
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: went through. She's very outspoken. was outspoken on social media.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: You may remember the name, but let's find out also
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: what she's doing today and how her life is going.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: So let me introduce you to Dr. Dawn Michael. Dr. Michael,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: thank you for joining us.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Thank you for having me on. I appreciate the fact
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: that you're allowing me to tell my story and really
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: get the word out. And part of why I continue
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: to push on Twitter, and that's the platform I've been using.
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: I'm also on Getter, and I have a YouTube channel,
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: is because the drug remdesivir, which is responsible for killing
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: my husband, and also they gave it to me without
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: my consent. So I had two doses that affected my
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: health after I got out of the hospital. And the
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: shocking thing is they continue to use it in hospitals today.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: And it's been approved for infants and children.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to the beginning of your story
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: and kind of tell people about that. What happened? Because
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: as I remember, because I was I didn't know you
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: at the time, but I was watching you on social
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: media and it was gut wrenching. Tell everybody what happened.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: So my husband was a family practice doctor. He escaped Cuba.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: So he came over here a while ago. He was
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: 62 when he passed away. So he slowly felt a
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: little bit of communism, socialism creeping in. He felt it
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: a long time ago, maybe 10, 12 years ago. And
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: at the time when COVID hit, I remember him and I,
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: we had this discussion because we had an office together.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: I did the mental health. He did the family practice.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: And we said, why are they ushering this vaccine out
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: so quickly? It hasn't gone through, in his terms, the
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: honeymoon period.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: That's a natural question back then. I remember thinking the
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: same thing. All of these other vaccines have taken all
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of these years to get approval from If we can
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: approve this one in six months, how come we can't
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: approve others in six months? But sorry for the interruption.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Keep going, please.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Yes, and that to me should have been a question
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: on every doctor's mind. Like, why isn't every doctor? But
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: the reason I know that he asked it because he
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: had his own family practice. He wasn't in a group.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: They weren't telling him what to do. He was a
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: doctor who thought outside of the box. And so for him,
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: he also developed his own protocol using ivermectin. And other
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: doctors around the area were not able to do that
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: because they were getting penalized for using ivermectin. But because
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: he wasn't in the system, and I'm just going back
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: a little, but people need to understand this, that when
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Obama said all the medical doctors need to put their
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: records into the system, Those records became known through COVID.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: So they were able to track which doctors were giving
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: patients ivermectin and that's how they did it. And so
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: at the time, my husband had so many files. He'd
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: already been in a family practice for some 30 years.
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: He never put them in the system. So they didn't
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: come after him for that. And he was able to
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: find a small compound pharmacy and give his patients ivermectin. Now,
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: the hospital that he sent a few of his patients to,
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: and mind you, I think almost every single one of them,
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: which was only nine, came out of the hospital alive
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: because he was their patient advocate. And he spoke to
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: a hospitalist there. I would hear him up at night
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: talking to the hospitalist, telling him how to treat his patients.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: And I don't think that they liked that because they
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: get a lot of money when they give the patients
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: in their remdesivir and do the hospital protocol then and
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: they die. I mean, that happens to so many of
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: the patients who end up in the hospital. In any event,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: he knew the hospitalists for 20 years. He knew all
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: of them because he had assisted in surgery at this
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: particular hospital, which is Los Robles Hospital in Thousand Oaks,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: which has a very bad reputation right now. But in
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: any event, he had been treating his patients for two years.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: We thought that we had had COVID in the very beginning.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: I still think we did. But I think when the
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: Delta variant came out, I believe personally it was a
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: different bioweapon because it affected both of us in a
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: very different way.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had that strain and it was no fun.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: It was bad.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: And My oxygen level dropped down to 82 for a
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: couple of days. And I called my doctor and told her,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: and she said, you need to get to the emergency room.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, thank you. I have no intention
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: of going to the emergency room. And I asked her,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I said, how many patients have you sent to the hospital?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: She said several. I said, have any died? She said, yes.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: I said, have any of your patients not gone to
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: the hospital? She said, yes. I said, how many died?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: She said, none.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: None.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And I said, thank you. I'll stay home. And in
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: a day or so, it was better. But go ahead.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: No, you're exactly correct. But the situation is... It came
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: on as a fever. We thought it was the flu because,
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: of course, we thought we had had COVID and he'd
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: been treating patients with COVID for two years. So why
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: would we think that this would be COVID? We thought,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: you know, we had the antibodies. Neither one of us
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: were vaccinated. And for a doctor, that was rare. I
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: didn't believe in the vaccine. And he was one of
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: the few doctors that didn't even recommend the vaccine. He
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: just would... send them a video to watch. It was
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: usually one of Dr. Peter McCullough's videos. He's like, watch
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: this to get the other side.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: But in any event, we both got it. He got
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: it first. And just like you said, it attacks the
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: lower lungs. So it was, and it comes on like,
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, it Yeah, me neither. And then it went
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: away for a day, which was so strange. And then
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: it came back and it happened to with the oxygen.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: So he couldn't breathe. We got an oxygen tank at home,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: but it wasn't the ones that the hospitals have. And
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: that's really what he needed. So this was, I think.
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: I think it was day nine. Finally, I told him
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: to start the protocol on day seven. I said, just think,
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: you know, you have COVID, whatever it is, just start
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: your protocol. But he did. And it got to a
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: point where his oxygen level went below, I think it
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: was 80. And he literally wasn't breathing. And he said,
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: you have to take me to the hospital. I just
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: I'm going to die. And I was so resistant. I'm like,
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: I can't bring you to the hospital because I don't
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: think you're going to come out of the hospital. I
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: told him that. But in any event, I took him
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: to the hospital. They wouldn't let me in with him.
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: He went into the emergency, which was a complete nightmare.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: They had him there for, I don't even know, maybe 10,
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: 11 hours before they even gave him a bed. And
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: once they did that, I had called the nurses and
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: the doctors and I'm like, do not give him remdesivir.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Do not. Like I already knew. Do not give it
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: to him. And the nurses assured me that they didn't
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: give him remdesivir, which they lied because as I found
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: out later, they had given him remdesivir and he was
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: pretty out of it. So I think for the first
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: two days he was in there.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: So did they put him on the ventilator? As well?
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: Well, it didn't get to that point yet. It didn't
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: happen yet. So he was in the hospital for nine days. Um,
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: what the next is I got the same, you know,
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: I got the Delta and I wasn't doing very well,
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: but I certainly didn't need to go to the hospital,
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: but he, we were texting back and forth. He's like,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: you have to come to the hospital. And then my neighbor,
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: who's a paramedic. And then my son, they just were
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: so worried about me that they kind of insisted go
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: to the hospital. So I went in an ambulance to
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: the hospital, same horror story in the waiting room and Um,
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: where people were sitting in wheelchairs on the ground on gurneys. Um,
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: and they were only wearing masks in there, by the way. And, um,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: I remember they asked me if I was vaccinated and
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: I made the mistake and I said, No, at first.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: And I was just treated very poorly. They didn't give
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: me water. They didn't come check me. And when they
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: went to give me the COVID test, finally, I refused it.
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: So I never did have a COVID test. But in
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: the meantime, they put me in a room with three
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: other people that didn't have COVID. So how worried were
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: they that it was this infectious spreading virus when I
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: was in there with two other people? And they only
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: had masks on, which the doctors were wearing in a
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: flimsy way. So at this point, my husband's upstairs on
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: the third floor. Finally, after I think it was 10
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: hours for me, nine hours later, They wheeled me up
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: to the third floor and they had said they didn't
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: have any beds, which was totally false. They had tons
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: of beds. They had no staff. So they had fired
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: the staff that wasn't vaccinated. And right at that time,
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: if you remember, it was like Omicron came on and
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: a lot of the people were sick. So they had
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: one charge nurse to about, I don't even know, 10 patients,
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: like so understaffed. But the inconsistency was downstairs. They had
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: just a mask and upstairs they were wearing these full
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: on hazmat suits. I mean, it's right, right. Like it's
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: going to change.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, it was such theater, wasn't it?
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Oh my God.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: And then, and then what, what ended up happening to
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: your husband in that hospital stay?
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: So, um, What happened is, I'm just going to go
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: real quick into this. Just to finish my story with myself,
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: because it kind of coincides with him. Sure. The doctor
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: that was treating him, They had given me remdesivir the
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: day I got there and then the next day without
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: my consent. And this is a huge thing. I did
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: not consent. Nobody told me they were giving me remdesivir.
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: When I finally found out, I freaked out. And I
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: said to the doctor, because it is in their protocol,
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: like you're not supposed to give somebody remdesivir unless it's
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: like two or three days that they've had COVID. And
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: I said I had had it five days prior. So
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: then the doctor agreed, oh yeah, you don't need the remdesivir.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: And I said to him, but my husband had it
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: nine days prior and you at this point had given
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: him five doses of remdesivir. So the doctors knew. They
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: knew that the chances of at least 30 to 40%
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: of the people they gave it to were going to die.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: And my husband, as I found out, he did have
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: some kidney issues and they knew that. So for him,
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: it was a death sentence, an absolute death sentence.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And ultimately, that's what happened, isn't it?
• 54:25
  Speaker 5: That's what happened. And these were his colleagues. These are
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: his colleagues. That's what makes it so insane.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Do you think it was just ignorance on their part?
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: No, I do not. I do not. Remember, he wasn't
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: sending people to the hospital. They were not making profits
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: off of his patients. And he was, you know, he
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: had a lot of patients. So in the end, I
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: was there on day five. And the day before, he
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: texted me. I have all of his text messages and
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: everything from when we were there. He said to me
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: they called in a kidney specialist because his kidney was
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: failing day nine, which is what happens with remdesivir. And
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: then he said, I don't think I'm going to make it.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: And I for the five days I was there, I
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: kept asking if I could see him. Remember, he was
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: across the hall. At one point, they drugged me so
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: that I couldn't get out of bed because I tried
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: to go over to see him. So that was another
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: absolutely cruel thing is they wouldn't let us see each
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: other on the same floor. So then came in on
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: day five.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: I was there.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: And they said to me that he had gone into
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: cardiac arrest. And I told them they better get me
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: down to see him. So they went to get me
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: a wheelchair. And by the time they put me in
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: the wheelchair, he had already passed.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was awful.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: I never got to say goodbye to him. Thank you
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: so much for having me on. And God bless you too,
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: you know, people like you who are doing podcasts. And,
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: you know, we're all in this together. And one thing
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: I will say... What happens in California affects the rest
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: of the country. So it's really important that we we
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: all work together on medical freedom and parental rights and everything,
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: you know, that I think all of us believe in.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Dawn, thank you so much. There is only one truth.
• 56:24
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• 56:27
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