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Episode 7. Are You a Simulation? & Takeshi Kovacs vs. Leeloo (Feat. Ed) · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:16
  SPEAKER_04: All right, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_04: Here we go.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_04: Hello out there.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome to High and Dry.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm Ryan Barron North, and thank you for joining us as we shatter the Grand Illusion.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm starting already.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_02: Hey everyone.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm James.
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  SPEAKER_04: And uh also today we got uh an old friend that we pulled off the streets.
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  SPEAKER_04: Ed.
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  SPEAKER_04: Ed, welcome to the show.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_04: How are you doing?
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing all right.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: I've been waiting for that beer since six this morning.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so happy to be here.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, good.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we're glad to have you.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um so we've got some fun stuff to talk about today.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: So for those of you uh who are just joining us, the show works in two parts.
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  SPEAKER_04: First part, we're gonna talk about a little moral dilemma.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_04: Second part, we got a versus match for you.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_04: This week we have the fifth element Lee Lu versus Takeshi Kovac of Altered Carbon.
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  SPEAKER_04: So it's gonna be a sci-fi fight for the ages.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure I sure love both these characters, I gotta say.
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  SPEAKER_02: What a what a great couple of characters.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I've been uh I I watched Fifth Element, I think, the first time when I was, I don't know, fucking 10 years old.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh so I'm I'm excited for that one.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm a huge Fifth Element fan.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh kind of newer to Altered Carbon.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh Ed, what about you?
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  SPEAKER_00: So I've been hesitant to watch Altered Carbon because every time I go on the Netflix queue, it just I never really seemed interested in something, and I think it's gonna be something that it's not.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: So when I decided to finally jump into it, I was actually really excited how deep the universe was with it, and that I wasn't expecting for it to be like a gumshoe detective and like cyberpunk.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we were in the same yeah, we were in the same boat with that.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_04: Me and James tried it um when I came back from the desert when I was living at his place for a little while there.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: And uh there was there's like that beginning hump you gotta get over.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they throw a lot of stuff at you in those first three episodes, and they don't give you much information about all the subtleties, but once you get past that point, you're gold.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's really deep.
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  SPEAKER_04: So let's get down to business here.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the first part of this episode, um, before we get into our moral dilemma this week, on high and dry, James, our resident cannabis enthusiast, will be taking three hits.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: James, what are you taking a hit of?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh so today I'm gonna be smoking a lovely strain called Ghost Train Haze.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it is uh this is the weed that I had my first existential crisis on weed.
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  SPEAKER_02: This strain is the one that like made me think about how you know the first humans walked out of their valley, you know, to go and explore mountains.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like we've been standing on the shoulders of every human since then.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and and like I had an existential breakdown.
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  SPEAKER_02: So maybe we'll get that again today.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm excited to find out.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so while James is gonna be taking his hits, Ed and myself are gonna be taking shots.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Ed, what are you gonna be drinking with us today?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going with the tried and true Jameson, uh normal bottle, because we go through this very frequently through the house, and I don't want to burn through the really, really, really, really good stuff until my eventual return to the spot.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like I'm gonna finish this bottle tonight.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm probably gonna go deep.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: So celebratory one for the next time.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, all right, all right.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, myself, I uh I was looking at the vodka in the freezer and I didn't have enough to make this show happen.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm going back to that Captain Morgan Black Spice rum that was with us in episodes three, four, and five.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's been just hanging out with its lid off.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: We'll see how it goes.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's pirate time.
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  SPEAKER_04: Gentlemen, let's take that first shot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cheers.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm doing doubles.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're doing doubles, I'll take some big hits too.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, we learned today that in Utah the shot is 1.5 ounces.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
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  SPEAKER_02: The Utah shot, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those Mormons know how to drink.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right, there's one.
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  SPEAKER_04: Everyone ready for two?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, the Utah shot was a joke.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, we're going for 2.5.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, those Mormons actually no, the Mormons don't know how to drink.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_02: But the Utah shot is 1.5 ounces, which is insane.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right, here's round six.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_04: All right, here we go.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, that'll wake you up.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is a good one because this is uh this concentrate isn't, it's got all the it's like a live resin.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: They extract it in a different way, so it's got all the the weed taste in it instead of like uh instead of trying to give it another special taste.
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  SPEAKER_02: This tastes like a flower.
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  SPEAKER_04: It tastes like uh rubbing alcohol.
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  SPEAKER_04: Right.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's got that black spike.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, now what's a black spike?
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  SPEAKER_04: What do you think that your weed was called?
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh ghost train haze.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like the ghost train blues.
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  SPEAKER_04: All right, gentlemen.
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  SPEAKER_04: So it's time for our third hit and third shot.
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  SPEAKER_04: What's it to?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, we haven't checked our where our subscribers are, but I'll tell you this.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: George is back.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: Georgia's back with a vengeance.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_02: George is back.
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  SPEAKER_02: Georgia, we love you.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hot Lana, let's do this thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Take your take our third shot.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the Georgia.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: There we go.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, in retrospect, I probably should have used a shot glass instead of you know the first line on the bottom of the mason jar.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just eyeballing it.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is enough.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, this is I'm gonna be really fucked up on this one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so glad that I scribbled notes on the back of this old envelope for later.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna remember anything.
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  SPEAKER_02: We have it on the peak pizza boxes.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's where we write our notes.
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  SPEAKER_04: So we've had our shots, we've had our hits.
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  SPEAKER_04: Everyone feeling good?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: I feel I feel like, and and I want to reiterate again for all our listeners that this is real.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: We are really getting smashed.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about some moral dilemmas.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you're gonna do one more?
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_04: Let's do one more.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, we can't let our guests go hard.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I can't let our guests go hard.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: He comes on you come on my fucking show and try and show me up.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: One more.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's just genetics.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_01: Water.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think you're double fermenting here as living the lid off on the countertop.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know why I'm doing that.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm done.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just you can't force me to do another one.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: Moral dilemma time.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh, it's time for this moral dilemma.
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  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna do the classic Cartesian question.
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  SPEAKER_04: So on High and Dry, where we shatter the grand delusion.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um, we're we're our question this week is Is our universe real?
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  SPEAKER_04: It's a popular one.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's been showing up more and more on at least the newsletters I subscribe to.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the What newsletters do you subscribe to?
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  SPEAKER_02: Is our universe real monthly?
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  SPEAKER_04: The short answer for them is no.
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  SPEAKER_04: But so it's the simulation argument.
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  SPEAKER_04: And the the question posed, or the the thought there, and and there's a lot of people who put out that mathematically there's no way our universe is real, and that we're actually in a simulation.
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  SPEAKER_04: Keanu Reeves was right.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the Matrix is real.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's it's for so for example, there's a scene in The Matrix where Cypher he's said while he's eating his piece of simulated steak.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like that scene.
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  SPEAKER_04: That ignorance is bliss and that it tastes real to him.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: So here we go looking into that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_04: So, first question off the bat, we'll let guests go first.
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  SPEAKER_04: Ed, do you think we're in a simulation?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the reason for that is Yeah, yeah, that's a good answer.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the I mean, the honest answer is you go through your day-to-day life, and you know, everything is just life as is.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: But then you always hear about these types of questions like in the background, and then that kind of influences your day-to-day, and you start noticing things.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like Lewis uh Black made the joke, there's a bear shitting everywhere, and somebody points it out, then you see it everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I've I've my world's probably surrounded by bear shit that nobody's pointed out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the the thing is that influences like my I'm not is I constantly go through like episodes of deja vu, and I'm not sure if it's just an overactive imagination and remembering something that I dream or trying to correlate it with something that I dream because it's always just a mess when you wake up.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, unless you're a lucid dreamer, which I'm not.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then you you start thinking about things in terms of like is this real?
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because you'll you'll just see things in your day-to-day that just sometimes just don't make sense and it's it's really hard to articulate.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: So so you're saying you're saying there's you're saying there's a possi based on what you've seen, there's a possibility that it's glitching kind of like the Matrix.
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  SPEAKER_02: You you you kinda now that you've thought about it, you kind of see it everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're look you're looking for it.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_00: And at the same time, it's like, okay, like this can't possibly be a thing that we're all like living in a situation.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, it's kind of fun to entertain the idea and then see where you go in.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'll also subscribe to always asking one unreasonable thing a day from people.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't matter what it is, it's like, hey, I go to the Walgreens and I'm buying beer.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, hey, do we get the nice guy dice count?
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: And sometimes, you know, you're the asshole, and they say no.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: But sometimes it turns into, oh shit, yeah, here, I'll give it to you.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: And it works.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, that's uh that's an interesting idea there.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_04: I've never thought of break the simulation.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I've never thought of breaking the simulation.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, James, do you think you're living in a simulation?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you know, I kind of want to hear what you have to say first, honestly.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, why is that?
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_04: Because of my uh my fandom of Keanu Reeves.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's because I think mine is just a good punctuating point because uh I I don't know if mine fits as a middle point.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um see, I I don't think we are.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_04: Just because if we're living in a simulation, or I'm thinking kind of in terms of a like a video game.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I I don't feel I don't feel very NPC.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't think anyone truly does, but I just entirely I am a guest in my own life.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: You know, well actually, I know I know there's a lot I know a lot of people now, and I see it more frequently.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I think it's kind of this millennial fugue state that we're seeing is this NPC energy.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: Have have you met NPCs, right?
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think we've all met NPCs where it's people like, is anything there?
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Are you anything?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_04: But I so and uh so for me though buying chicken.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh for me though, uh my life at least has been very uh me exacting my will upon the universe.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_04: Every day I wake up with a goal, with a plan.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: But at the same time, I'm not arrogant enough to think that the simulation or the video game would be about me.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_04: It'd be a pretty fucking boring video.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_04: This game is boring.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um so so my thing, the reason why Why is this guy so sad?
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: The reason why I think that I'm in the real thing is because I have an NPC role with a main character heart.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, why the fuck would they do that?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: They would do it just to fuck with you.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_04: So this one guy driving by that one time, his world is rendered properly.
• 12:25
  unknown: Yeah.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we've just been hanging around the main story for a while.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: So you're the arrow.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: I took an arrow to the knee and I don't adventure guys.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're back for everywhere.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Everything.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: But like if I'm the MPC who's just standing on the side of the road and the main character drives by, and I'm just standing there, so his world is rendered.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: Why the fuck do I then leave the road to go pursue my shit?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's a really good point.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so James, uh, are you living in a simulation?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: So so here's how I feel about this one.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: Would it uh would it change my behavior in any way if I were?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's a good question.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_04: That was actually what I was going to go into next.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, hey, look at me.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_04: So segueing into the next part of this, um, and James, we're gonna come back.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I want to know if you think just right off the off the cuff, if you're in a simulation.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, the question after that goes into does it matter?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um ignorance is bliss or is it?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, it's basically just how you see this.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_04: Is that what is that what counts?
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um as we tend to delve into this show of you know what the fuck actually does matter.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_04: But well, so James, so first before we do that, are you in a simulation?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_04: Answer the goddamn question.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um I hope that would be really cool.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: I would I kind of hope I'm in a simulation.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: This is like a good test run.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like I've really fucked up a lot, and maybe I could learn something for the for the real one.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be it'd be kind of cool if I was in a simulation and I didn't actually like sow havoc, that would be great.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so that that brings back to uh a point that we had in one of the earlier episodes was that yours and mine, and Ed, we're gonna see if this is the same for you.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_04: We develop and well, we create meaning out of our drive.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_04: And so through these drives we have, these main character drives we have in an NPC's world, uh-huh, um, that's where we get our meaning.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: So um well, so Ed, is that what about you?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_04: How do you derive your meaning in that?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: So if this is a simulation, uh where where do you find meaning?
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: See, it it's kind of weird that you we landed on this topic because I've been having that thought a lot lately in the last few weeks in my day-to-day.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think it's the millennial question.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean, millennial, yeah, but at the same time, like you you could put on the label of being millennial and having a different taste, uh like roll of the dice, as our like our former like our parents had and our grandparents had and stuff like that.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, it's it's kind of like the video game thing.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's like your parameters are set at a particular way of life, and it's like, how are you gonna drive forward and make the most out of your particular situation?
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the one thing I've been trying lately and struggling with is trying to figure out what you kind of want out of everything.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's really we're about hitting that age, all of us, where we're like, we gotta figure out what we want because it seems like people are sure living a long time and they're growing up to be real pieces of shit, and I don't want to be a real piece of shit when I grow up.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: No, and so that for the viewers at home, um, this podcast, it might seem like we're a bunch of 21-year-olds um in here who found a microphone.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, we're actually all in our 30s.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_04: So there's a thing.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm I'm 30 something.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: I stop counting.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: But we're all a bunch of 30 somethings.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: And we're like, what is my life about?
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm I'm not sure if this is the Jameson creeping up because I have that level of inebriated where you could feel your teeth.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, this is about the time when that starts in the episode.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_04: So we are getting there.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: That makes sense.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_02: This is about the time where we have to cut everyone off so we can get to the other house.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: So so get your thoughts another shot while I'm quite we're gonna do another one.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do another shot right now.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do another one.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: We're going deep! We're going deep.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going in with them.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going in with them.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: I can't.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be totally useless.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Cheers, that so I'm gonna take Cheers.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: One, two, three, go.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, they did it for real.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: All right, oh you direct this show.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know you direct this show, right?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't let him go alone.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: But the thing that I've been noticing lately, and it it doesn't seem like the grand gesture of when people are like, I want to strive out and do this awesome thing that brings meaning to my life.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: And what I'm I'm thinking, I'm slowly gathering, isn't those grand gestures, but your day-to-day, like the the little things that make your life.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like whether it's in our house we have like chickens and stuff like that, and like I have uh me and me and the old lady, we got a a a system where I always do this and I always do that, but we're always helping each other, we're trying to bring joy into each other's lives, and I I think that's kind of what it's starting to be all about.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: Because you can't fucking love that.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that is great, but I I think it it's the little thing building to a bigger thing.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: So without going into crazy detail, like I recently made a very big career move that involved me being involved into like driving into the city every day.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: But me and the old lady, we do love that idea of being self-sufficient and living in the country one day and she wants to have animals and stuff.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I think our way of gaining the matrix is using that to make the thing that you want to be.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: Just like in the sense that if I ever have a kid, I'm gonna be like, listen, don't follow your dream.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Follow the thing that's gonna give you the ability to follow that dream later down in your life.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because between your 20s and your 30s, all you're doing is grinding.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: But if you enjoy some fun, though.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, well, mine, so like I I agree entirely.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I also think that I'm just gonna try and jump across a four-lane highway and bend the rules of the matrix.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think it'll work.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think all the elements are there.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_04: After this bycast, I think I can do it.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think if someone saw a picture of that scene and they're like, does this sound right?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: They'd be like, Yeah, that's perfect recreation.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna do it.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_04: There it is.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: So uh look out for that on YouTube.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um, well, yeah, no, that's a very interesting point.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_04: And and I think that's something that uh a lot of us in this particular age bracket are starting to hit.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_04: Because without going into too much detail, I've been feeling certain things like that as well.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_04: But because of time constraints, um, let's get into final thoughts.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_04: James, you want to lead off?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_04: Final thought.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Final thoughts.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um we could be in a simulation.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: If it if we are, it doesn't really matter anyway, because by default, you should behave as though this is your only shot.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_02: You should behave as this as if this is your only shot and try to make the most of it and try to be good to the people around you so you don't turn into these bitter, crushed old people that we see in our society today who who did not think about this as their only shot and trying to be the best to each other that they could be.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_04: And uh cheers to that.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: That's my final thought on it.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_04: I like it.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_04: All right, Ed, what's your thought?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_04: Final thought.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, yes.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna give you a shot.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_04: There's another one coming right up.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_04: There's another one coming right up.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm working on it.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit, I'm shaky.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right, let's do this.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: So, Ed, Ed, what's your final thing?
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm gonna give you the the the time because I I took over way too much time already in that.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I well I appreciate the concession.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_04: Uh um, well, my final thought on it is James, uh, with your only shot um statement.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: I well, I mean, just uh my final thought is that that particular statement touched me greatly.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know where it came from, um, but I've been living my entire life in fear of this being my only shot.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and in a world where we don't seem to think that way, I wonder where that came from.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like, was I not hugged enough?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: I think nobody taught you how to find meaning because they didn't know how to find meaning themselves.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, I think that's what it is.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and uh I have a book coming out about that.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, no, I definitely think that's what it is.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_04: I never learned how to find meaning in life.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_04: And uh, but that brings to just kind of a point that I've been trying to solidify in my own head as I'm reaching, as I'm in the beginning of my 30s, is that happiness definitely is something that comes from within.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_04: And a new relationship, a new job, uh moving somewhere, um, that's not going to give those things to you.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_04: And it's it's definitely something that you have to find in yourself.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: And so if this is a simulation, I'll never fucking know.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_04: And it really doesn't matter.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_04: If at any point someone reboots the computer, it didn't matter anyway.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they're canonicoding it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: So so yeah, final thoughts don't try to chase what what the matrix tells you to chase.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: Chase whatever makes you happy.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I think it comes back to what it's always come back to.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: Don't go chasing waterfowl.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: Rivers and the matrices that you're used to.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Or realistically, if you see the matrix, you use the sim cheat and just type in hashtag motherload over and over to get infinite money.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: Where's my fucking where's my fucking controller code?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: So let's move on to the next to the next part of this podcast.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_04: That's where we get into our versus match.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_04: So in this week's versus match, we have Takeshi Kovac of Altered Carbon versus the fifth element, Lelu.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy to finally talk about Toc because uh you know I hadn't had many people to talk about altered carbon with.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, but talk is, I feel like he's a great character, got a lot of depth.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: Lelu is an amazing, uh transcendent character who we're able to project a lot of things on, which is really cool.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, and in it imprisoned Mila Jovovich in this Kafka-esque nightmare of always being the martial arts female.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_04: In everything she's that poor woman.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: She just she wants to branch out and and the fucking uh woman, crazy acrobatic woman saves the world.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: She's the she is that person.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, she just got that role and she found her bitch in a matrix.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, she failed.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, she's we're all in Mila Jovovich's uh simulation.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_04: There it is.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: We're fleshing out her world for her.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um see, we're able to project whatever we want onto her.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's what's great about her character.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: She's transcendent.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I I haven't even seen all the Resident Evils.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so I'm not even a part fully of this simulation.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're the guy who watches the movie in the theater.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I'm the guy who just peripheral has seven chickens in his backyard.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: Because Mila needed that.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: Mila's gonna fly over your house one day and take and take a glance out of the plane window.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: And she needs you to have a full and meaningful simulation.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: Because while she's sitting there, she's like, huh.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: This is good.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: I am pleased with my simulation.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that brings us to our fourth shot.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, Mila, this is for you.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_04: Here we are, filling out your simulation on the off chance you ever Google high and dry.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm sure she'll be right alongside Carl Urban.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right next to Carl Urban, Brad Pitt, Henry Campbell.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_04: Will one of you please respond?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: We just want to we just want you to say thank you for talking about me.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Jesus Christ.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Mila, this is your simulation here.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: Cheers.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh God, I already did it.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm gonna die.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: So going into this, I don't think there's really any competition at all.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, see, and and you know, we've had that before.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: We've had that before, and that's why we have High and Dry's patented method of getting the viewer to shut the fuck up and accept what it is we say.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: We don't care about your opinions.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: Also, tweet us.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_04: Please download.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: So this is how it works on High and Dry.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_04: High and Dry has three rounds.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: The first round, the two combatants jump into the ring while Brad Pitt, the mascot of High and Dry, what looks on as they fight hand to hand with uh no shirt, no shoes, no belt, and just punch it out.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: She wears that thing from the fifth element.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: She wears those, that nip tape.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the body the body tape.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_04: She's wearing body tape, nip tape.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_04: Um God, that would hurt to peel off.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it looked like it was just very gently ethereally laid upon her PG 13 nipples.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: You know damn well they didn't skimp on that budget and they just used fucking athletic tape and they just had to peel that shit off.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_04: See, and that's why she is the queen of martial art women.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's quintessential.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_04: She's like, I don't even have nipples anymore.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck you.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Quintessential.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: So uh sorry, Mila.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: So in this, so in this round, it's no weapons, bare hands, bare feet.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: And it's only abilities that are innately attached to them.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, not they can't there could be things inside them, but there can't be things outside them.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_04: So, guest first, Ed, first thoughts.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: Who's gonna take this?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's gonna be Mila.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because I I I can't believe I hadn't as you should not do like you guys recommended drinking while driving.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I also watched Netflix while driving on the expressway in downtown Chicago.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you still still most of the time, I mean.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: You're still but anyway, so taking the notes from Fifth Element and taking the last two days to power through the first season of uh Altered Carbon.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Like I pushed through eight episodes yesterday while at work, and but I was only able to get through a couple, so I'm up the episode 10 on the first season.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I had a bias watching it because, like, okay, I'm watching carbon or altered carbon thinking, okay, would Mila be able to beat this dude then?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: So then I'm like, okay, I'm looking at this bias on my own, so I decided to take notes.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: And what it really comes down to for the underwear round is that she is genetically superior.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: He is just a sleeve of a normal man who also has military grade narrow chem as well as combat muscle memory.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: She, on the other hand, as when they're rebuilding her in the actual tube, says that she has normal humans have 40 DNA groups versus where Lelu has over 200,000.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_04: One of the frequently my argument's gonna be Yeah, well, she's very frequently referred to as the perfect being.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_04: Which which immediately I could see definitely giving her the edge on that hand to hand.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_04: The the only thing that I can see um Takeshi bring into the table on that one is that uh sixth sense of his that allows him to um pick very detailed information.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, see through walls, pick uh like really detailed.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: And well but but I don't think that that really I think we should save that power because I think in this very detailed instance, remember, there they don't have a lot of details about them.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: Their shirts off, shoes off, they're just yeah, he's not gonna be able to use that really.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: What I what I think he has at his advantage is the combat durability of his body, like of his sleeve.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like we said, he has a neurochim injector for pain, he has combat muscle memory, and you know, you have all these cybernetic implants.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think that does bring an edge to him.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: But I but in the end, I think Lelu um would out would possibly outmaneuver him.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Ed, you had a point.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the the the question I have is which version of the altered carbon character are we talking about?
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because we always talk about the best version of him, and from what I've noticed, granted, I'm only on the first season still, is that the best version of him is in his previous life, but the whole show itself is based around his new sleeve.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, which version of him are we talking about in this head battle?
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I would have to actually argue against that, and I say that um Takeshi's most is more powerful as Joel Kinneman, who Joel, congratulations on just to the body there.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I would definitely say it would be Joel Kinneman.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um Anthony Mackey's I think his sleeve is actually more powerful.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's got like more specific combat enhancements, especially like a German Arbor.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'm excited now because I I think I got this one in the back.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: And the and a lot of my argument for the underwear round travel to the second round, is that I think that Ultra Carbon's character, or Kanashi, is weaker in his newer sleeve because, as you've seen, even in the first episode, he's able to see through walls and stuff in the first episode, but unless he's able to translate that in the second season, which I haven't had yet, he doesn't have that.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen him on multiple circumstances get dropped from a single bullet or a fucking just getting knocked in the head.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like he seems to be a normal guy.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and that's a good point because Lelu takes heavy machine gun fire.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_04: It does bring her down.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: I figured out the math on that too.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: The rounds and the the general fucking space got mixed goddamn rifle is around the same as an MG4.
• 31:41
  unknown: Yeah.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: Which is around 1500 rounds a minute.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_04: No, and I think that's the key right there.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_04: I I definitely think that's the key right there.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_04: Um because if if if Takeshi got his hand on a gun, yeah, it might be a little different, but with the two of them just fighting like that, um, and she's able to burst through walls and she's able to take that machine gun fire while it does incapacitate her.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um it didn't kill her.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_04: All it really wound up doing was creating a an emotional, the female is tender moment for Bruce Willis.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, but it was it was a different time.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: It was 30 years ago.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: So I think in this one, Lelou takes it.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I would have to agree.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_04: Ed, do you agree?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_04: I 100% agree.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think just face to face, I don't I think Takeshi would put up a great fight.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and it'd be cool to watch Netflix if you want to get on that.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be an amazing fight, but I think in the end, because Lelu is just it's her own body, she is a perfect being, she's totally comfortable, and it she she has the envoy secret power, part of it, yeah, just being completely comfortable in her own skin.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, and I think that would lead to her, you know, his powers would get edged out and she'd take it.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, agreed.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so there it is.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_04: Round one um of the no shirts, no shoes, no belts.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: Round goes to Lelu, the fifth element.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_04: Congratulations, Mila.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you took that one hot.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, there'll be one.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_04: Now, round two, um, this is where we take the battlefield, expand it a little bit, um, and now both characters have access to um equipment as they meet on a field that's similar to what both of them experience.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: So in this case, it would be uh sci-fi world, probably off-world in Takeshi's reality.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_04: So round two.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, we're looking at these two characters.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: They have everything they can get their hands on, they have all their equipment, technology, um, any sort of ability that comes from the outside.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_04: They're able to use that additionally.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: They don't start in the same ring, they start on separate sides of this environment, which allows them to also bring their tactics to the table, any sort of mental acumen that they may have that gives them the edge.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Ed, would you like to start?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I I still it it's kind of a toss-up because, like I brought up in round one, it depends on what version of altered carbon.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: I had way too much whiskey, I can't pronounce his name.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um cashy version we are talking about because if we're talking about the main character who is in all of like the seasons, then it almost seems like he doesn't have that ability to be able to see through walls.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: Or let me ask you guys, is it in the second season?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Well, like first boiling it for myself where he could see through walls and shoot people in the head and shit.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he still has a bunch of special shit like that, yeah, for sure.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_04: Now, so that's that was definitely gonna be a thing for Lilu, um, like against Lelu, where he could see through walls, but then there's so there's an instant in I think it was Lilu's second action sequence where she's fighting all those Mangalores.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_04: Where she's able to detect that there is one behind her.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_04: She never looks, she never gives any statement to that.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, does that indicate that she might also have those, you know, preternatural senses?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I I think it does.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think it does, and I think that balances out Takeshi and Lilu a little on that kind of sense, preternatural senses kind of thing.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: But I think uh I think Takeshi has something very special that Lilu does not have.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: Please come on.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so Lilu, we know Lilu is a super fast learner, all right.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: She she learned uh like 5,000 years of human history or something in an afternoon.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, in an afternoon, and she also learned to speak English fluently just over the course of like hearing people speak it around her for a couple days.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: So she's a super fast learner, but what she does not have is intuition.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: She has a lot of knowledge, but she doesn't have any um she doesn't have the ability to quickly put that into like uh make a reason from it.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_04: I would go further to say that Lilu, uh compared to Takeshi, is extremely emotionally vulnerable.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um Takeshi has the ability to just shut off any give a sh fuck.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: Lelu uh kind of goes into the fetal position.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: She doesn't know how to deal with what she what she is experiencing, and she doesn't know how to turn it into something that that had that has understanding behind the knowledge.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: She gets all the knowledge, but she doesn't have context.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_02: And intuition, like the the envoy super intuition, provides him with context that she does not have.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: He can grab he can grab immediate context about her as soon as he sees her, and she does not have any context for him.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Ed, thoughts?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, two things.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: One, I don't think she's necessarily emotionally compromised on that because you see the emotional compromise in the end of the movie, she where she's like, What is love?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: But when she's stuck in that ductwork when she does do the fetal position thing, I feel like it's more of an animal trapped in a cage, and she's just getting blasted by Zerg in a corner, which was the only time she ever really got defeated.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: But I will also say that I don't think she has Takashi's ability.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Because even though she senses that guy behind him, she's a super biological being.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I my reasoning is I think she can hear the dude breathing behind her setting up a shot.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Which is a very good point.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: Which is an eff which is still very fucking effective.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: Functionally very similar, which is great, um, and good for Lilu on having this power, but I think I think it really comes down to the way they problem solve and what Takeshi Takeshi would use things against her if he would hit her pressure points and she wouldn't know how to do that to him.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: I I I kind of think I I might agree on that.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_04: That it doesn't go to Takeshi, in my opinion, for him being more powerful.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_04: I think it would go to him because he's more jaded, because he's more experienced, yeah, um, and just it just because he's more um more cunning, more trained.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_04: Lelu seen Lelu, they create her in such a way, and I think this was done on purpose to even her out against Bruce Willis.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_04: She's a little naive.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she's very naive.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_04: So and I think that's what Takeshi I think that's what Takeshi would capitalize on.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: He would he is trained to use people's lack of knowledge against them.
• 38:57
  unknown: Yeah.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Ed.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: But the problem is if she doesn't if he's if she's not caught in between a wall and Takeshi and it's up in front of each other, fight, right?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like it'll definitely go to Takeshi if he's on the other side of the wall where he's able to sense him and stuff.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: 100%, no question.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: But that's not how Takeshi would do it.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because if she finds herself in a situation where he can't sense her or anything like that, she's able to dodge guns that shoot around 1200 rounds a minute.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: But also, if she gets within melee range, when they were fighting in the uh Pishinger's uh uh hotel room, that one of those uh space aliens, when she was running straight at her, she just single punches without breaking the sweat, launders him 20 minutes behind, just like Takashi's partner does when fighting Takashi.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: So, like she's able to break that flee.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: It just it depends on the circumstance of when they catch each other.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_02: So so when we do these big street views, they have the they're not just right in front of your each other.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_02: What they do is they start out um with like a they're notified that they're going to have to fight each other.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: And then they they're able to use like social maneuvering, which Lilu is not capable of.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_02: And Takeshi Kovach is, and I believe what he would do is set a series of traps to hit her breaking points to gain the advantage, is what I think.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_04: I I agree with that.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_04: No, and I think we have inter I think we have interesting points.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, and I think we have interesting points on all sides of that, and again, I think we'd have uh an amazing fight to watch there.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I I think it would be an amazing fight to watch.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_04: It would definitely be worth a whole episode on Netflix.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so for round two, I think then it I we have a lot of information here.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and Ed, thank you for bringing the uh very scientific, very exact information as far as weapons and things go.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Ed did research.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: I've never done research.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_04: And oh and that's why we third round is a blowout.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Let me know.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_04: Well, third round, I have some thoughts, but second round, um, where do we think it's gonna go?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: Let's let's do our our final vote on that.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um guessing takes oh, sorry.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_04: Well, too late.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_04: James, where do you think it's gonna go?
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna go to Takeshi.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_04: Ed, where do you think it's gonna go?
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's gonna go Lee.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_04: And then I I'm gonna I I hate to I hate to come in between everybody, but uh I think it's gonna go to Takeshi.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's gonna go to Takeshi.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: Sadly, that's your opinion now, Ed.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you remember, I don't know if you remember from that first episode when we had a third.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, whenever someone's outvoted, their opinion changes.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_02: So um I'm so confident.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing another shot.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: So let's do that.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm going in after him.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_04: All right, yeah, I'll do it.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we're going in after you, Ed.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_04: I'll wait for you.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_04: We won't abandon you.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we're not gonna abandon you after changing.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Just because yeah, yeah, we forced your opinion to change.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: We can't leave you behind.
• 42:08
  unknown: We're coming in.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no, no.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I I think this is bulletproof, unless you guys blow me out of the water.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: So this is two, two casual.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: Two to Lelu knocking the shit out of him with the power of love.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's the point.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: I took that hit way too early and I had to hold it in that whole time.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_04: Don't let it go.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: You're like, one, two, and then to say.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: And then you went back and said more.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh fuck.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so there it is.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_04: Round two.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_04: Um, this is definitive.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um and for those of you guys who were with us with that third episode when we had our first guest, um, you know that once the vote happens, we're all unanimously agreed.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um Takeshi takes that.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um, which brings us into our third round.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm super excited for the third round.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_04: Well, at least the boy in me is super excited for that third round.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because now we do the same thing.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_04: All right, we'll let you go last.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_04: So we're gonna do that same thing, except this time they get to bring a buddy.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, Jesus.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_04: And so here we go.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_04: Well, James.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, we have to figure out who's buddies.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we gotta figure out who's buddies first.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_04: Now, James, I'm gonna defer to you with Takeshi.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because I, in my opinion, I feel that you're Takeshi's expert um this week.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_04: Who do you think Takeshi's gonna bring?
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: So I think Takeshi would bring Poe at his prime.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's who I think.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: I think he would bring Poe at his prime.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: When he moves out of the hotel?
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Not not when he moves out of the hotel because he is not in his prime then.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_02: He is he I mean, like um where he's at his season one.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, season one, he can like project himself to different places throughout the Aethernet.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: And he can uh he's really mobile and he's really capable of of of use being used for extreme planning.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like a lot of Takeshi's stuff relies on Poe doing things in the background, yes, and uh And I think that he is Takeshi's greatest asset.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, let's move into Bruce Will.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_03: Let's move into Bruce Willis.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_04: Who do we think is going to be Lee Lu's plus one?
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: Well, clearly it's Bruce Willis.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the question I have for you is if you haven't seen season two, uh is I'm fine with spoilers.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Is the detective Ortega involved in Takeshi's life in the second season?
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh shit.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's a spoiler.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: You should have said you didn't want to hear it.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, no.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm okay with that.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'm yeah, no, I wasn't.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: It's a separate story.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_02: It's a separate story.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: So so so don't feel like it's spoiled because lots of things can still happen, but it is a separate story.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_02: So remember, this guy has lived many lives.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's some interesting shit.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so it's not gonna be Ortega.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_04: He's not bringing Ortega.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, he'll bring Poe.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_04: And then Lelu, of course, is bringing Bruce Willis.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so she brings exactly.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um the Padre.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, she brings the stumble.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_00: No, she brings the stumble aliens at the beginning, the fucking waddle.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: She brings the radio host.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, she brings Ruby Rod.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_04: Ruby Rod.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: Ruby Rod.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_04: Ruby Rod.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_04: That was right.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_04: I was definitely Rod.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_04: Ruby Rod's my spirit animal.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I think she's bringing Ruby Rod.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_04: She's bringing Bruce Willis.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_04: Fuck off.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_04: So at that point, uh Bruce Willis enters the match um and uh he wins.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: He we we can't argue with him because of all the diehards.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_04: I uh uh Bruce Willis.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um we we we sincerely apologize if we've offended you in any way.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: Winning is a superpower.
• 46:16
  unknown: Yeah.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so alright.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_04: So all right, let's let's give it a serious shot here.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: Um we have it's not fair.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_02: Winning is Bruce Willis's superpower.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's never lost in a movie.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: Ever.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's not fair.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_04: We have we have Major Corbin Dallas.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_04: The he knows how to use every gun in the year 3000 or whenever the fuck.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_04: He does.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um his he is the last surviving member of any unit he's ever in.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_04: And uh he's also a great taxi driver.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: He is an excellent taxi driver.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_04: With no points left on his license.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_04: His license is expired, and I think that's an important thing that we need to discuss.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_04: Because would would Poe ever let his license expire?
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_02: Poe, Poe, what Poe would do is he would target, he would tip off the police to Bruce Willis's location and that he had a expired taxi license.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I mean, that would create a very fun scene for the viewer.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but but Bruce Willis never loses.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: He'd win.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: He'd come out on touch.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's not fair.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: Bruce Bruce Willis has never accepted a role where he liked where there's the possibility he could lose.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_04: Well, Ed, you have a thought.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I was gonna ask James.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: So what since I haven't seen the second season, what is the extent of Poe's ability?
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because since I've only seen the majority of it, like I'm okay with spoilers.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: I love this series.
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm excited to continue watching.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: I hate the fact that I binged while working, so I couldn't actually look at it.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: But what are the extent of both or Poe's abilities?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: So he can manipulate like nano uh nano structures in order to rebuild uh to build other structures.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: They have like this nano technology, and he can use it to kind of shape reality almost.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um that's what his one of his powers are.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um he also uh he can go out into the net, like everything's connected to this internet, basically, and he can travel it and he can do crazy things with it.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: He's uh he's not at his peak for most of the season for other reasons, um, but he does have a glorious moment where all of those powers are working, and he's uh pretty effective.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: He's incredibly effective.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so then the question becomes it does so now it seems to be turning into a fight between Poe and Bruce Willis.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um because really without having Takashi as the main character, like who was his friend and everything else, Poe doesn't seem to have any kind of motivation after that fact.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because well, again, I'm going on with his like he was a resident of the hotel, but once Takashi's out of the situation, I think really it's like, well, shit, what do I do?
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but Takeshi's still there, he's not gone anywhere.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's given Poe the orders, he's Poe's meaning.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: And he and it and let me tell you, uh Poe's meaning for Takeshi does not go away.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_02: It only increases how much Poe finds meaning in Takeshi and is and is willing to do whatever he says.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_00: So here's my bit, okay?
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: So when it comes down to it, like Lelu is obviously a very formidable opponent, but the the power that comes behind Bruce Willis is his ability with firearm and his own intuition.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: So when he's sitting with Ruby Rat and he's pulling the stones out of the singer's body, right?
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: In a quick succession, he not only shoots three bad guys as well as another two, and another two, and another two with a pistol before he's stuck under suppressive fire.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: He's very agile in terms of being able to fire upon people.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he also has the standard to be able to jump from a second-story balcony down into a bar, and he has the situation awareness to be able to knock that alien, just like Takashi had situational awareness as well, not taking anything away from him, to be able to knock that alien through the floor to shoot every single one of his buddies, minus the heavy machine gunner, which he made a ship in the knees.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's very cartoonish, but that was the theme.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: He does still have time for physical comedy.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_02: It always happens, it always happens in our matches where it really comes down to the uh who they bring.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and sometimes people just have a special superpower that comes along with their genre of movie.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_04: And we're talking about 90s action hero.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it's basically a comic book, and he and he is a superhero who will win.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_02: But comic power.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's hard to overcome.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's really hard to overcome.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um because uh go on.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_04: Well, so I'm gonna just say that my opinion on the matter is that when the two of them fight, if they're just fist to fist, Lelou's gonna win.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_04: If they have all of their abilities in a city and they both get a contract just to kill each other, Takeshi will inch it out.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but then as soon as Bruce Willis gets involved, it's um it's over.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_02: I I want to say that I think Takeshi would fucking annihilate Lelu in the cityscape alone.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think she wouldn't even she wouldn't even know we were he was coming from, and she would be hurt by things he'd set traps for.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: He would just say some shit that would go on in.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: I love the idea that Takashi is just hiding behind walls, just waiting for an ambush.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: He's always like hugging a wall, just waiting for her to pass by.
• 52:27
  unknown: Yeah.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_00: With Poe wedding.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, and she's so naive that it wouldn't take her out, but then here comes Corbin Dallas, and Corbin Dallas would just land on that city like a weapon of mass destruction.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_02: He sure would.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_02: Nothing would nothing would nothing could stand between his comic book superpower and its destination.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_04: Because Poe is bound by a noir aesthetic.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, he is bound by the fact that Takeshi has to feel pain.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: He has to struggle a lot.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_04: He has to struggle.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_04: While Bruce Willis, it's completely unleashed in the desire to give the audience action and yachts.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: So so what we've decided in in the third round is that 90s action beats noir in a in a fist fight.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_00: The pose character is so good.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_04: No, the Poe's character is fantastic, but even when like so in the first in the first time we meet Poe, where he's able to um basically conscript the entire hotel against the intruders, it's two Gatling guns that come down.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_04: Fucking Corb and Dallas would be like, shit, Gatling guns.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Let me use this gun.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he would, it's it's his superpower not to get hit by machine gun fire.
• 53:52
  unknown: Yeah.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_02: He would just tiptoe slowly.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: He could just stand still and it wouldn't hit him because it's that's his superpower.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: Because it'd be funny.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't lose.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: Or he'd look up from behind the pool table.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and he's handsome as fuck.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's when Bruce Willis had hair.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, Bruce.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_00: I that's I have one other thing that's kind of wild.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think if it really boiled down to, as seen at the very end of the episode of Fifth Element, all Lelo needs is for Bruce Willis to kiss her, and then she absolutely shoots a planet obliterating ray.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_03: I guess that's true.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_02: Is that Bruce uh activates her love muscle and she explodes and kills Takashi?
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, well, alright, so uh final votes.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say third round goes to Bruce Willis.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm gonna say the third round goes to everything that Bruce Willis manages to do because of the genre of movie he's in.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: And your thoughts.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: I knew this was gonna go exactly this way.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like I figured it was gonna go Lulu being awesome, just as a biological thing.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then Bruce Willis or uh Takashi, Jesus Christ.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: This podcast is brought to you by the power of whiskey.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_04: So but then here comes fucking Corbin Nellis.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's a battle of the genres.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_04: This has happened a few times, and and not only that, not only would Bruce Willis take it, it would all be recorded by Ruby Russ.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_04: Ruby Reddit.
• 55:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, look what's happening now.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and there it is.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, there it is.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_04: So are we in the background?
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's a comic book.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so Chris Tucker and Bruce Willis, they they're gonna go ahead and take it.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um Ed, do you agree?
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_04: I agree 100%.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_04: I agree.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_04: There it is.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_04: Three for three.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_04: So round one goes to Milajovich as Lelu the fifth element.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_04: Round two goes to Kitch, sorry, Takeshi Kovach, played by who are we saying is his perfect form?
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: I think Anthony Mackey's his perfect form.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_04: All right, so so uh Takeshi Kovach by Anthony Mackey.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_04: And then finally, third round goes to Bruce Willis and Chris Tucker.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_04: There it is.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: Even while Lelu I don't want to say Chris Tucker.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to shove her, I don't want to shove her out of her own space on this podcast.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: That's not fair.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_04: Because we do remember it is Mila Jovovich's um simulation.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is her superpower.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_04: It is her simulation.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_04: All this was for her.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um so there it is.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for listening.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_02: I love my check out.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Mila.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_04: Two out of three, it goes to episode seven, High and Dry Podcast.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's one's gonna go to Lelu, the fifth element.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so thanks everyone for joining us.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_04: I'm Ryan Barron North with me, James Crosslin, and our guest today, Ed, old friend of ours.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_04: We pulled off the street.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks to everyone for listening.
• 57:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you can catch us on uh you can catch us on Instagram, we're High and Dry Podcast.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: High undry, no and it's just an and high and dry podcast.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: You can catch me on Twitter.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm at the Debolical.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_02: I I stream on Twitch at the dev local.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, at this point you can basically listen to us wherever you catch your podcasts.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Ed, do you have anywhere for us?
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_04: Catch us.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: Catches chickens at a at a the store near you.
• 57:48
  SPEAKER_04: Chickenhub.com.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_00: No, I have uh I have a single Instagram account.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's dirtwarep.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I do a lot of leather work and just kind of like showing some of the self sufficient lifestyle like that me and my old lady live at.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_00: But again, it's dirtware pb.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_04: So high and dry podcast.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um Ryan Barron North, James Crosslin, Ed, Dirtware PB.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for listening to us today.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_04: You guys all take it easy.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_04: We'll see you next week.