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25W: Bobby's Geek Out Interviews of the Year (Part 1: Doug Gottlieb, Chris Klieman & Stanford Steve) · 25 Whistles with Bobby Bones (A Football Podcast)

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  Speaker 4: pick the Cowboys being in something.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so it has to be was already thinking of
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  Speaker 3: the super Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: Now it can be a super Bowl ticket, Okay, but
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  Speaker 4: you can't say to see the Cowboys because you don't know, correct, right,
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  Speaker 4: what sporting event would you go to.
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  Speaker 3: I've never been to the super Bowl, so that would
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  Speaker 3: be the one.
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  Speaker 2: Dude?
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  Speaker 3: How expensive were those I've never had a pay for
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, But like you've.
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  Speaker 4: Heard right, Yeah, I mean you could probably get in
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  Speaker 4: closer to the game for a lot cheaper if you'd
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  Speaker 4: like go there.
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  Speaker 2: Like ten grand.
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  Speaker 3: I think ten grand. I think you can get in
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  Speaker 3: day for like a thousand bucks. Hey yeah, from a
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  Speaker 3: scalp for one thousand bucks up high.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can get good seats three weeks out, depending
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  Speaker 4: on the team too. But yet, I mean not you can.
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  Speaker 4: I promise you can get it for a thousand bucks.
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  Speaker 5: I've always thought that it's like one of those tickets
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  Speaker 5: where you're like, oh, dude, you'll never be able to
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  Speaker 5: afford that.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy amount of money.
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  Speaker 4: I've gone twice, and it's cool and fine to go.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's just nothing special. But if your team's in it,
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  Speaker 3: oh don't you want to be there?
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  Speaker 4: You do, but you don't feel like your team's in it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean you do cause you're watching it, but it's
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  Speaker 4: not like you're with other rabid fans. It's so corporate
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  Speaker 4: and it's people everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: They say the average price is eight thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: It's average, though, I'm saying you can get in for
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  Speaker 4: a thousand bucks day of the lowest ticket.
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  Speaker 3: I bet you get in a thousand bucks, says the
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  Speaker 3: lowest is six thousand. I don't think so. For what
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  Speaker 3: super Bowl? Though? Is that just the last one super Bowl?
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy?
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  Speaker 1: LA?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe because it wasn't in La.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Tampa, maybe La, La, because I remember, I'll still
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  Speaker 4: saying I think can get it for a thousand bucks.
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  Speaker 4: I stand by it. Crappy seats. Is this experiment we
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  Speaker 4: need to do? Make a bet on it?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So yeah, it's fun. If you can, you can go.
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  Speaker 3: What about yours? Your what's your ticket?
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  Speaker 4: Probably college FOOTBA championship. That'll be fun.
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  Speaker 5: That'd be really cool. Any team, well, you can't pick
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  Speaker 5: a team. I know, it doesn't matter who it is.
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  Speaker 5: That's gonna be Alabama. That's the whole point of this game.
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  Speaker 5: Like especially like next year, I through a twelve team playoff.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and everybody's all injured and it's only like
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  Speaker 5: four people left. So that's not the same vibe. It's
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  Speaker 5: not about money and college championship.
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  Speaker 4: NFL is way more corporate. College is way more fan based.
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  Speaker 3: Mayhem. Yeah, that would be cool.
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  Speaker 4: So we're here, Hopra has a great holiday. We're gonna
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  Speaker 4: look back at some of our favorite twenty five whistles.
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  Speaker 4: Interviews from twenty twenty three takes some time, and if
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  Speaker 4: you've missed any of this, it's pretty cool. I mean
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  Speaker 4: it's not super timely where if you missed it, it's
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  Speaker 4: not entertaining. But Part one of this includes basketball and
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  Speaker 4: career talk with Doug Gottlieb from Fox Radio, who is
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  Speaker 4: the all time assist leader at Oklahoma State and is
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  Speaker 4: like top five in all of n C DOUBLEA.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, good interview, which is pretty crazy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We'll do football and coaching with Chris Climbing at Kansas State,
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  Speaker 4: and then we'll get into some gambling with ESPN's expert
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  Speaker 4: Stanford Steve.
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  Speaker 3: The Stanford Steve interview is cool, fun. Yeah, you learn
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  Speaker 3: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Doug Gottlieb, great basketball player. We'll start with him at
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  Speaker 4: Oklahoma State. He's top ten here, it is all time
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  Speaker 4: in NCUBLEA cur assists with nine hundred and forty seven.
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  Speaker 4: He talked about all that playing days, which college town
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  Speaker 4: he'd likes to live in at a bunch more followed
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  Speaker 4: Doug on Twitter at Gottlieb Show and listen to him
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  Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio here. He is Doug Gottlieb, Doug,
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  Speaker 4: what's up man? All good man, Hey, I was looking
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  Speaker 4: at the Wikipedia for all time assists leaders, and I
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  Speaker 4: had known that you were one of the top ten
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  Speaker 4: NC double assist leaders of all time. I would just
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  Speaker 4: be obsessed with making sure that nobody was coming up
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  Speaker 4: on me. Do you look and see who's approaching so
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  Speaker 4: you don't get knocked off the top of the list.
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  Speaker 6: It's like the guys that are good enough usually go pro.
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  Speaker 6: You know, these COVID year guys. You're worried about guys
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  Speaker 6: getting fit in six years coming up beaten. Yet Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 6: last year Noel whatever from Kansas State, huh Marquis Nowell. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: he was getting really close to my single season in
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  Speaker 6: the Big twelve, and had they won in the Elite eight,
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  Speaker 6: I was cooked and he was like really close. I
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  Speaker 6: think he finished like three short of me. So I
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  Speaker 6: hadn't been in that position before, but I was like, yeah, dude,
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  Speaker 6: like anybody who says they don't give it about their records,
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  Speaker 6: this is fully, you know, like you want something for posterity.
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  Speaker 6: I used to be seventh and the guy who's sixth
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  Speaker 6: is Greg Anthony. I was literally three short of him.
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  Speaker 6: He played a whole bunch more games than I did.
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  Speaker 6: Because they went to they won a national championship, and
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  Speaker 6: they went to the national semi finals. Right, But like,
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  Speaker 6: I'm still bitter because my junior year, when I led
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  Speaker 6: the country and assist, I was in the doghouse for
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  Speaker 6: eight games. So I actually in overall average, that was
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  Speaker 6: the fewest minutes per game I played in my career.
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  Speaker 6: And so obviously, had I not been the doghouse where
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  Speaker 6: my coach just like benched me for a game or
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  Speaker 6: not played me for a game, Like if you benched
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  Speaker 6: me just like one game, hey, you don't play, it
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't have hurt my average, but it would hurt my
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  Speaker 6: average but when or my average, but my overall total
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  Speaker 6: would have been lower. But I went through a stretch
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  Speaker 6: where I was playing like eight or ten minutes anyway.
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  Speaker 6: So then you're like, if he hadn't done that to me,
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  Speaker 6: I would have been like third or fourth all the time,
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  Speaker 6: you know, So there's a yes, I definitely pay attention
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  Speaker 6: to it. I'm not gonna lie to here.
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  Speaker 4: I saw Gary Payton as below. That's pretty cool. You're
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  Speaker 4: above Gary Payton.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he did all kinds of others.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. I just see a list and Gary Payton.
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  Speaker 6: That's true.
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  Speaker 4: Who yeah, who cares? So a big fan. Been listening
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  Speaker 4: to you forever. Obviously we've established kind of a personal
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  Speaker 4: relationship as well, so I really appreciate you coming on here.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of things I wanted to talk with you about.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, as being an assist guy, did you
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  Speaker 4: ever feel like teams knew you wouldn't shoot.
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  Speaker 3: Like they're like, yes, it was just back off.
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  Speaker 4: And do you feel like you had to then have
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  Speaker 4: games where you would aprove You could still put up
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  Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but I couldn't. There was like three games, So
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's really interesting because like forever in the
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  Speaker 6: Big Twelve, all being known as a guy that could
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  Speaker 6: make every pass, but you know, couldn't throw it in
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  Speaker 6: the ocean. And my last Big Twelve tournament game we
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  Speaker 6: played Iowa State. That Iowa State team was probably the
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  Speaker 6: second best team in the country that year. They lost
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  Speaker 6: to Michigan State in the Elite eight, who ultimately won
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  Speaker 6: the national championship, and Iowa State l AIRYU. Stacey was the
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  Speaker 6: coach and he tells everybody to this day. And there's
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  Speaker 6: other guys that are head coaches who are assistants on
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  Speaker 6: that staff. But I'll tell you that their whole game
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  Speaker 6: plan was not just to let me shoot, but also
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  Speaker 6: when I drive, they'd fake and then make me finish.
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  Speaker 6: Because I got to this point to where like all
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  Speaker 6: I did was pass, you know, it was like it
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  Speaker 6: was like the yips at first, and then it just
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  Speaker 6: kind of took over my game, and it was it
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  Speaker 6: was literally playing without a jump shot. It was really hard,
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  Speaker 6: and there were a couple of games where it went away,
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  Speaker 6: where the likes of it went away, and like I
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  Speaker 6: had nineteen against other miss I had my last home
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  Speaker 6: game against Oklahoma, I had two big threes. We played
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  Speaker 6: a kansasite a couple of big threes, but generally I
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  Speaker 6: just mentally, emotionally couldn't get myself to relax shooting, and
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  Speaker 6: everybody in the league knew it. So it was really
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  Speaker 6: it's actually like you ask people, like what I was
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  Speaker 6: able to accomplish, especially like my senior year, is kind
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  Speaker 6: of gratifying because literally played without a jump shot, and
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  Speaker 6: that's hard. It's like living without one of your senses,
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  Speaker 6: so all the rest of your senses become heightened, but
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  Speaker 6: that one sense is really really hard to play without.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel like you lost your shot as you
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  Speaker 4: got older and specialized more? Meaning in high school? Could
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  Speaker 4: you fill it out better?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. I mean I wouldn't have been recruited and
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  Speaker 6: been rated as highly as I was if I couldn't shoot.
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  Speaker 6: I mean I was never step Curry, but I pattered
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  Speaker 6: my game after Bobby Hurly, and you know, he got
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  Speaker 6: to be a better, better shooter. In college, I was.
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  Speaker 6: I scored. I was the ultimately scorer in my high school.
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  Speaker 6: I had forty four in a game. I could shoot
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  Speaker 6: and score well enough, but I'm ultimately a bit of
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  Speaker 6: I think, a control freak. And so part of what
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  Speaker 6: happened early in my career and then at Notre Dame
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  Speaker 6: and then at Oklahoma State was, you know, I wanted
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  Speaker 6: to control who got the shots and kind of be
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  Speaker 6: the hero by creating opportunities for my teammates. And I
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  Speaker 6: also I got big and strong, and I think I
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  Speaker 6: lost some of my touch. And then when I lost
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  Speaker 6: some of my touch and I was trying to control things,
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  Speaker 6: you know, then your shooting percentages go down and down
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  Speaker 6: and down, and then you just kind of get in
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  Speaker 6: this mentality of Okay, if I just do what I
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  Speaker 6: can do best, and if I don't miss a shot,
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  Speaker 6: I'll never come out of the game. I hated coming
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  Speaker 6: out of games, and it worked against me because I
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  Speaker 6: figured if I don't miss, well, he can't take me out.
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  Speaker 6: If I don't shoot, I can't miss. So I just
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't shoot, and then ultimately people wul dare me to shoot,
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  Speaker 6: and then it became really difficult. I don't know if
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  Speaker 6: I'm making sense.
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  Speaker 4: Would they ever talk trash and be like you can't shoot, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: you can't shoot shoot it?
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  Speaker 3: Shoot it every game?
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  Speaker 6: Really every game, every game, and it's you know, you'd
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  Speaker 6: sit there and literally the hardest thing to do, I
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  Speaker 6: think is you're wide open every time you get It's
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  Speaker 6: like Ben Simmons, how they is like, you're open. You
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  Speaker 6: can shoot the ball anytime you want, and it's technically
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  Speaker 6: an open shot, you know. And again this is also
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  Speaker 6: remember this is in like ninety nine two thousand, So
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  Speaker 6: my so, like my coach at the time, like taken
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  Speaker 6: in a good better shot, Like it's actually a better
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  Speaker 6: shot to shoot a three, or you can make if
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  Speaker 6: you make you know three out of ten, it's it's
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  Speaker 6: equally as good as making you know four out of
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  Speaker 6: ten or five out of ten two's, and so I
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  Speaker 6: you know, if I could go back and do it,
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  Speaker 6: I would have sat down, like it's like, look, man,
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  Speaker 6: you gotta let me. Just let me do. Let me
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  Speaker 6: shoot what I'm open, don't take me out, take me out.
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  Speaker 6: When I turned down open shots, and if I make
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  Speaker 6: a couple, everything else will open up. But I didn't.
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  Speaker 6: You know, I was intimidated, and I was in my
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  Speaker 6: own head, and you know, it became really really hard,
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  Speaker 6: and I take a personal sort of pride from it.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 6: The way I tried to work into my mind was
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  Speaker 6: if I sucked athletically, or if I sucked at others,
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  Speaker 6: they wouldn't they wouldn't play off me, right, There'd be
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  Speaker 6: no fear of me, period. But the reality is it's
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  Speaker 6: hard for me even to go back and watch or
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  Speaker 6: show my kids, my kid that the way I played,
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  Speaker 6: because it's kind of embarrassing when guys playing five feet
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  Speaker 6: offee and you don't shoot.
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  Speaker 4: Could you go back and take tape and appeal and
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  Speaker 4: be like, no, this was an assist.
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  Speaker 3: You guys did not count it.
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  Speaker 4: I need to move up the layers two assists from
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  Speaker 4: this game, cauld I'll be doing that crap.
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  Speaker 6: It's a great question and the answer is one time.
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  Speaker 6: So we played against UNLB and a really a guy
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  Speaker 6: who's become a really good friend of mine. His name
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  Speaker 6: is Mark Dipple. Mark is Australia and Mark was their
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  Speaker 6: point guard. And so we played them my junior year
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  Speaker 6: and we stomped them, and that was when I came
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  Speaker 6: out of the dog. I was in the doghouse. I
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  Speaker 6: was going to leave the team. And I had a
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  Speaker 6: great game in Vegas, and as as chance would happen,
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  Speaker 6: we played them again my senior year, also in Vegas,
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  Speaker 6: and so we get downe we molly wolt them. And
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  Speaker 6: I remember I'd always gotten a statue half time and
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  Speaker 6: after the game and I grabbed statute and I had
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  Speaker 6: like four assists, and I was like, what the you know?
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  Speaker 6: This is some bowl. And our other our assistant coach
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  Speaker 6: was my coach's son, his named Sean Sutton, who was
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  Speaker 6: also point guard, and he's like, oh, there's some you know,
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  Speaker 6: Like so we actually went back and I was and
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  Speaker 6: I know in my mind about how many I had,
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  Speaker 6: Like I was like, I think I had thirteen or fourteen.
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  Speaker 6: And we went back and like little by definition of assist.
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  Speaker 6: It was like twelve and I was trying to you know,
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  Speaker 6: I was trying to lead the country again. I was
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  Speaker 6: trying to get the all time mark, which is Bobby
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  Speaker 6: Hurley's mark, which is probably out of reach. So we
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  Speaker 6: sent it back, We sent it to the NCAA and
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  Speaker 6: they get I think they gave me nine. Gave me
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  Speaker 6: nine as sists. So it was the only time we
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  Speaker 6: ever did that. And really, like here's here's how crazy
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  Speaker 6: in what a small world Oklahoma State is. And you
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  Speaker 6: know this from your time with your TV show and
• 12:33
  Speaker 6: go into all these small college towns. Right is the
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  Speaker 6: guy who kept stats at Oklahoma State is named Lee Manser.
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  Speaker 6: Lee's son, Brendon, played there. Lee was my marketing professors.
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  Speaker 6: Matter of fact, my last course that I had to take.
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  Speaker 6: I took correspondence my senior year. I had three hours
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  Speaker 6: left and it took me four years to complete it.
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  Speaker 6: But like he was a not just like literally correspondence courses.
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  Speaker 6: He could have just gave me a sea or whatever.
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  Speaker 6: I had to do all the work. But it's the
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  Speaker 6: same way with statting. Like I my stats weren't great
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  Speaker 6: at home all the time, they weren't It wasn't like
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  Speaker 6: they pumped up my stats. I had my marketing professor
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  Speaker 6: who was screwing me with my stats. So I know
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  Speaker 6: only would you get screwed on the road, but at home,
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  Speaker 6: Like lead Manser was, buy the book an assist and assist,
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  Speaker 6: I'm not giving you extras. And so if you go
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  Speaker 6: back and watch tape, there'd be passes where I turn
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  Speaker 6: and I point to my marketing professor who's keeping the
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  Speaker 6: stats for our team.
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  Speaker 4: That's a real story, just to remind him, Hey, Lead,
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  Speaker 4: don't miss that.
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  Speaker 6: That's exactly what I do. That's an assist. And he'd
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  Speaker 6: be like, like, that's an assist. Doug gottlib show directly
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  Speaker 6: to a basket. That's the definition of.
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  Speaker 3: The podcast is really good.
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  Speaker 4: It's all ball with Doug Gottlieb, and you can listen
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  Speaker 4: to it on iHeartRadio where you listen to your podcasts,
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  Speaker 4: or the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio three
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  Speaker 4: to five Eastern.
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  Speaker 3: So a couple of things I wanted to talk about.
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  Speaker 6: I ask you a question, you know, Okay, come on,
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  Speaker 6: let me just add one question.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, So I've said this like Boise is the best
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  Speaker 6: city that you'll never visit. Yes to a lot of people. Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 6: And there's Charleston's like that. There's a lot of places
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  Speaker 6: like that. And you traveled this entire country. Heck, I
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  Speaker 6: know you traveled the book. So here's here's a legit question.
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  Speaker 6: All these college towns you've been, you've been to, where's
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  Speaker 6: the place you're like, I kind of wish I would
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  Speaker 6: have gone here. I mean, this is this is If
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  Speaker 6: I could go back and pick a place, this would
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  Speaker 6: be the past.
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  Speaker 4: It's funny you bring up Boise because Eddie, what do
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  Speaker 4: I say.
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  Speaker 3: About Bois Boise? Man, it's wonderful. What do I say?
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  Speaker 3: It's better than Oh, it's another country, which is Hawaii?
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  Speaker 5: WHI that's right, that's it's another country that.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: I said, if I got to.
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: Pick, you see, like another country.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: I when I spent time there, when I was doing
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: my that geo show, I had no idea how versatile
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: that city is. It doesn't matter what you want to do.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: There's some cosmopolitan part of it. There's the outdoors part
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: of it, there's the traditional sports part. Boise was awesome,
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: a little too cold for me, but I often am like,
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: Boise is better than Hawaii to me, because I've been
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: to Hawaii a bunch and I don't even like the beach.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: I know you're from California. I like, I grew up
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: in Arkansas. We didn't have a beach. I don't like
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: the beach. I don't even know what you do. You
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: sit there in the sand. Okay, what do I do now?
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean lake. Honestly, Lake in many ways can
• 15:18
  Speaker 6: be better than beach. I'm not gonna lie to you there. Yeah,
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: because it's warmer. Yeah, there's there's a lot of these
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: plus like super fear of dying for me in like waves.
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: So I'm the guy who grew up in Orange County
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: and I suck at surfing. My son laughs at me
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: and says I'm the worst. But I'm kind of with you.
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, Hawaii does have incredible hikes, you know, and
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: and different topography than than we have.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Times out times in Hawaii can't work there.
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the time zone is really hard.
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: So Boise is good. I think Madison wis Content's awesome.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: If it just wasn't so cold.
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: I think it's it's it's so freaking cold there.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, we went really cool, did a show at
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: the Orphium there once and it was winter, and we
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: had winter in Arkansas.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: We had seasons. However, we didn't have lakes.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: That froze over and jeeps would drive on them. We
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: pulled over the car and Eddie wanted to go walk
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: out on the lake because it was just frozen.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: I'm from South Texas, man, I've never seen anything like that.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: That to me is bizarre.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: It was awesome. So Madison is a really cool town.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: I like passion. I like almost rabid passion Athens, Georgia,
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: and I'm not saying it because Georgia is good. I
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: like the climate, and I like the music scene. I
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: think Athens, Georgia Fabuel obviously is my favorite, but Athens,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Georgie is probably number one with Boise.
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: You and I've been so many places urban ones. The
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: most underrated urban one I think is the University of
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: Washington because Seattle feels like a different country land. You're like, man,
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: this is really far from the rest of the country,
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: but it's close enough to the city. You have the
• 16:58
  Speaker 6: water right there. It's a cool looking campus. That's I
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: think my most underrated urban one in terms of like
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: college town or place that I could I could totally
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: dig like I love Austin. I don't think I could
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: go to school in Austin. I just feel like, I
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: don't know, there's so much other stuff going on. I
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: loved at Oklahoma State, how it was just all about
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: the school. New Mexico is kind of underrated, to be
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: totally honest with you. I like Utah State in Logan,
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: Utah that that's actually a super the Cash Valley again,
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: I know you don't like cold, actually very hot, warm
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: in the summer, and kind of smoggy. It's like, I
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: think it's the smoggiest place in the country.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: Warm me up, let's go global warming baby.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: It's it's really But if I was gonna pick one
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: and I was like, man, if I could do it
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: all over again, I think it would probably be Tescaloosive.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: No way, you're out of your mind. You're out of
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: your mind.
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: Well. I took a visit to Tusca Lusa when this
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: was before they were really good in football. I transferred
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: from Notre Dame to and I was sitting out of
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: junior college and I went there and uh, they had
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: I'm Jewish and they have the Jewish training. The Sammy's
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: through me a party just for me. I have my
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: own female escort to the party. It was it was
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: so cool, Like just the South. I don't know how
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: they do it in the South is really cool. The
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: only issue I have with schools in the South is
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: that they care about basketball and the big games, but
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: they kind of don't give a crap most of the year,
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Whereas when I was at Oklahoma State, like we kind
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: of ran the school and that was very very cool.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe Tuscaloosa for both of us, is just associated with
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: an emotion. I just associated with getting the crap kicked
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: out of me every time we go down to play football,
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Like I have to go stand within amongst the statues here.
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: Wait wait wait, wait, wait, go ahead, I wanna switch.
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: I want to switch full miss.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all Miss is awesome. Auxer is awesome.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: I just because like you go, it's like going back
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: in time when you go to their little town square.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: It's so cool.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: It's a little rich. It's a little rich for me,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: not like cake like money and like I didn't have
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: money for most of my life and it was like
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: all rich people and like fraternities and sororities.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: But yeah, it is.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: It definitely is. I will point out, Bobby, I don't
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: know if you know this, but you are rich now.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Now, yes, but I still I still feel like I'm
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: not for the.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Most part, he's not talking about cake either. No, right, yeah, no, no.
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: Look, I get it. Like I remember when I went
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: to Notaday my freshman year, and you know, people can google,
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: it's not hard to find like I screwed up, but
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: it's stupid, stupid stuff. But I loved some of the
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: spirit of it. But I did feel like, obviously I
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: had never been to a private school. I wasn't Catholic,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: but more than anything, there was a lot of affluence
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: there and I was just a kid from Orange, California,
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: and it was I'm not I'm not saying like I
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: walked uphill to school barefoot but naked in the snow.
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: You know it's uphill both ways. But I didn't come
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: from a ton and I just felt like, I remember
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: they had j Crew catalogs that got delivered to our
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: entire dorm, and dudes who get the Jaque catalog and
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: the others go through and they this is what I want,
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: and they would tell their mom whatever and they ordered
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: and it's like I didn't even know what JA crew
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: was like, literally, I had one pair of jeans and
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: had my mom got me this horrendous LLBean parka green
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: llllbean parka, and that was like my warm my winter coat,
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: and I anytime was below fifty. You talked about Madison
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: and weather, but people don't know about being by the lake,
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: especially on the other side of Lake Michigan. Is it's
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: not just lake effect snow. You get lake effect overcast weather.
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: So I mean, I remember not seeing the sun for
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: the entire month of November, like literally the sun never
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: came out late October, November and in December and then
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: it got old and snowy and it really kind of
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: affected you mentally. So that's the that's the part of that,
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: that side of it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't play football in the Big Ten. Oh,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: that's it, because it was just too cold for me.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: I just didn't feel like for me, that was you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: the ingredients weren't there. So speaking of football, a couple
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: of things here, because I listened to you, and you
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: have no fear, which I admire in just giving your
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: opinion and if you're wrong, going hey, you know way
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: back then that's kind of wrong. But so I like
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: that because sometimes I struggle with saying I'm wrong. I
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: just forget ever said it. I'm like, no, never heard
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: of it. So let's talk for a second about c J.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Stroud. Now, what did you think of c J.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Stroud when he when he was drafted by the Texans,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: and then what do you think of him now? And
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: what's the difference in your mind on what he can
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: do his ceiling?
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: Okay, so we all carry like biases right against guys,
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: and the problem is you went to Ohio State and
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: how many O High state quarterbacks have we seen that
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: they're throwing the guys who are wide open? You know? So,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: like how much skill does it take when you have
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: It's like the old back when USC was rolling and
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: Carson Palmer was great, Matt Lioner wasn't a good college
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: wasn't a great pro quarterback. Why because like in the pros,
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: you've got to throw guys open.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: You don't have.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: Better players than everybody else. So I think part of
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: the CJ. Stroud thing was, like the quarterback the two
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: quarterbacks before him had both put up ridiculous numbers and
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: weren't good pros. And you're watching a guy he didn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: move around a ton, and he was just kind of okay,
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: again based upon the billing last year. Meanwhile, Bryce Young
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: I saw playing high school. I live close to modern day.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: I have friends that are there. And he's always been
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: seen as this like quarterbacks savant read defenses, can move
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: around and throw. And he's tiny. He's he's by NFL standards,
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: he's an oompalloomboo. You know, he's not part of the
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: lollipop lollipop game. And I thought, okay, well, outside of
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: him being small, and there's been small guys Russell Wilson, Kyler, Murray,
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Drew Brees, maybe he can do it because he has
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: all these other things, whereas C. J. Stroud is bigger, stronger,
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: But like, does he move that well? Is he really
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: that good? Is it just that Ohio State has way
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: better players than everybody else's. Ohio State has this like
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: it's like Alabama. They have all these great wide receivers
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: and they're just better than nine of the ten opponents
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: they play. So I carried that against him and I
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: was like, I don't get it. I don't see him
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: being star. What's his ceiling? I mean, I don't know
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: if he can be a superstar. But you can't do
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: anything in the NFL unless you have a dude back there,
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: a guy you can count on, a guy that can play,
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: can deliver the mail. He doesn't have to be Aaron Rodgers,
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: he doesn't have to be Pat Mahomes. But he can't
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: be one of these guys that stinks. He can't be
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: Zach Wilson. He can't be a guy that And then
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: the real magic to building a team in the NFL
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: is you got to do it during years two, three,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: and four of their rookie contract because they don't make
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: much money, and then you can build a whole roster
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: around them. Houston has that. So that's where I I
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: do two things though, Bobby, I want to make sure
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: I point this out. I will say that I'm wrong,
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: but I also don't hate saying when I was right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: Second, everybody was like, you know, I don't want to
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: be that guy. No, I like being that guy. I
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: really like being that guy that says yet No, I
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: like to say I told you so, what about that?
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: That's why it works for me.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: The situation in Michigan right now, is this going to
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: get worse before it gets better or will we just
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: look back at this and laugh in three years.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: I think we'll look back and laugh three years. It's stupid, stupid,
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: you know. I mean, look, was there Hubris? Is that
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: why they sent some ex marine out on the road
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: to go and yeah, and like he put everything under
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: his own name, like they weren't even trying to hide it.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: But like this idea of advanced scouting. I mean, I
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: don't know if you know this story. Mike Leach, the
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: late Mike Leech, who of course was at Mississippi State,
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: Washington State, and Texas Tech. And there's a story you
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: can google it seat online. He was the offensive coordinator
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: at Oklahoma Bob Stoops's first year nineteen ninety nine two
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: thousand and they beat Texas and the famous story was
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: they left a scatter report mistakenly on the field at
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: the Cotton Bowl before the game, and then they knew
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: Texas thought things were coming and they did the opposite. Right,
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: this stuff's been happening. Like I played football growing up,
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: and I remember, like we used to line up with
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: our backs to the other team in case they were
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: spying on us. High school football teams think somebody spying them,
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: So everybody assumes somebody's looking and trying to find your signals.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: You know, basketball teams they used copy or they go
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: to a tournament and they find your hand signals and
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: your calls. They wouldn't have three different signs and guys
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: you know, you know, doing the Larry Moe and Curly
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: if they didn't think somebody was saying I just I
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: think part of it is people don't really like harball.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Part of it is there is some a ton of
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: arrogance there with Michigan. And part of it is like
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: we've crept in this era now where everybody has a
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: cell phone, so there's no real secrets, right, and we
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: knew this was going on, and there's counterintelligence going on
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: as well. It looks bad they're holding hardball out and
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: I'm only interested in what happens against Ohio State if
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: that somehow changes the tenor of the game. I don't
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: think he makes play calls. I don't think he does
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: a ton game day outside of that one decision do
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: we go for it, do we not go for it?
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: Do we punt here? Do we go for it? You know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: like the last and final word you're missing and the
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: adjustments at halftime for a guy who you know, played
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: at every level and played well and then has coached
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: at every level and coached well. So I think those
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: things you are missing. But yeah, we're gonna look back
• 26:50
  Speaker 6: and go really, you know, it's like you know this,
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: the SEC was buying kids long before, and I like,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: that's the best advantage you can have have better players
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: the other team, whereas the Big Ten, like this is cheating.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: The SEC has to be laughing at the Big Ten.
• 27:05
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• 27:08
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• 27:11
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• 27:14
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  Speaker 6: I want to be one of the Mimians in studio.
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• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Kansas State head football coach Chris Cleman. We went to Manhattan,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: Kansas as part of our show Too Much Access.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Coach Climb has been the head coach since twenty eighteen.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: He's won everywhere he's been, including North Dakota State where
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: he coached Carson Wentz. We talked about his winning culture championships,
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: being a leader and a whole bunch more coach. When
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: you take go over a program because you've been here
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: a few years, regardless of the program, but especially somewhere
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: like Kansas State, there are many things that the alumni
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: and that the local folks are proud of. Hand signals,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: if it's a whoopig or if it's the cat, How
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: quickly do you have to learn to do the hand
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: signal exactly right? Like day one day one. Are you
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: scared to do it though immediately because you don't want to,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: like do it slightly wrong?
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, you don't want to. But no, day one,
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: they expect you to know it all, and you know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: from em to the hand signal to the Wabash canniball everything.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: You gotta know what's the Wabash cannibal It's a song, Yeah,
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: a song.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: No, that's the Macarena. I would just be nervous because
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: there are times when I meet people and I don't
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: get their name exactly right, and if I have to
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: go on TV or something and say their name, I'm like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: I don't want to. Yeah, I have to because if
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: I'm wrong, everybody's going to know I'm a little bit wrong,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: and there's pressure. I was looking a lot of pictures
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: of you holding the hand sign they is that is
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: that on a plane? Are they teaching your stuff on
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: the flight over when you get the job.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, That's why I had Kenny Lenou on the flight.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: You know, our media relations guy. You're showing me how
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: to do everything. And but no, I mean it is
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: such a world wind tour when you first get hired,
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: and I was in the middle of another season with
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: another team, and we were trying to win a national championship.
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: So you'd ask my wife. She still doesn't remember that
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: sixty days we had of kind of the courtship.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Whenever I get a treadmill or any sort of like
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: exercise machine, I work on it for I don't know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: a month or so, and then it just turns into
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: basically a clothes hanger or I just end up throwing close.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Now I noticed right by your disk. Yeah, there's a
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: piece of cardio equipment. How often do you actually use
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: it or is it more of just a discussion point? Now?
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: Did you not know what the equipment is?
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: No?
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: Don't It's an elliptical?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, but I mean how often do you get
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: on it?
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Though?
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: Actually twice a week?
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: You still use it?
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I still use it. No, I don't hang any
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: clothes on here. I truly use it twice a week.
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: You can see, we've got some big screens round here,
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: so my videos up there. So then I put the
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: video on, watch some of the games, watch some cutups,
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: watch a lot of the different plays that we're trying
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: to watch, and I can gotta get a little extra
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: hard during the season.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: Oh that was like Richard Simmons or something. He's like,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: he puts his video up there, Yeah, watches sweat into
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: the oldies.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: I would love it if it were that, but no,
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: this is actually work. The hard thing is I have
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: my phone with me, and then I'm trying to type
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: in notes. I'm sweaty, and but I get it done.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: If I'm thinking of throughout the week and I'm touring
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: now doing stand up. But if I think of a
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: joke concept, I write it on my phone immediately. Sometimes
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: I go back to it, and sometimes I can remember
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: what the idea was. Sometimes I can't. As a football coach,
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: do you do the same with concepts or plays or
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: schemes where it's like, I have not seen this yet,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: let me jot it down, or maybe we should do it,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: And then you go back to it and revisit it
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: in your phone and sometimes you don't even know what
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: you wrote down.
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: For me, it's more leadership thoughts, motivating thoughts. I'll get
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: up in the middle of the night because I never
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: sleep very well during the season, and my wife will look,
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: what are you doing, and she'll know that I'm typing
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: something that I just thought of at two am. To
• 32:06
  Speaker 7: say something we can do, maybe after a big win,
• 32:10
  Speaker 7: how do we responding back, maybe after a loss, maybe
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: after a bad practice, whatever it may be. I'm always
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: my mind never shuts off during the football season, but
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: there are times I'll go back in and I'll say, gosh,
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: when did I do that? And Lucky It'll say, like
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: three thirty five. I'm like, boy, I don't even remember
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: getting up.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: Who are some of your leadership role models, either that
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: you've worked for with or that you just read about
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: that you never knew.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: You know, I've been fortunate because I've got a guy
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: named Ben Newman that's one of the world renowned speakers
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: in the in the country sports performance coach, and he's
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: put me on like Ed my Lett, and he's put
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: me on John Gordon and some of those guys that
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: I just I love reading motivational books. I love reading
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: leadership books. But then you know, I'm going to read
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: a book on Kobe Bryant. You know, I'm just how
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: those guys, what they did to tick you know, Michael Jordan,
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: all the great ones of how they were motivated and
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: what kind of drove them.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I feel like for any success that either me or
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: my friends, peers have had. Look, we all have a
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: screw loose, but it's the right screw and it's just
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: the right amount of loose. And there's you only have
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: that little amount to still be somewhat saying. I'm only
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: somewhat saying because it's like I don't sleep well, I
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: can't stop thinking, I can't stop imagining. You know, my
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: wife and I always you know, time management, something's always happening.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like you got to screw because you're
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: very successful? Do you feel like you have kind of
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: a screw loose, but it's the right.
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: Screwy eight you have to I don't know what screw
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: that is. It's loose. My wife would tell you for sure,
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: but you absolutely have to to do what we do,
• 33:47
  Speaker 7: to do what you do. I mean, it's NonStop. You know,
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: it's seven days a week right now. You know, you
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: get in the office by five forty five and you're
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: leaving it nine thirty quarter to ten, and your mind
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: still on. When you go home, you visit with your
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: wife a little bit, you go to bed, you wake up,
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: and it's just repeat, rent and repeat, rentso and repeat.
• 34:07
  Speaker 7: So you have to have a little bit of a
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: screw loose. But it's crazy because I never have felt like,
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: and I've been doing this for over thirty years, that
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: I've ever had a job. I assume you probably think
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: the same thing, that you don't really feel like you
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: have a job.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I don't until I see the revenue that I bring
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: in and then I realize I need to be paid more. So,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: you know, that's kind of how I'm like, this is
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: so fun. Let me see the read. Oh, okay, this
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: is a job I forgot.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: And my stepdad worked at the sawmill, right, and I
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: got to see him go to work and hate his
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: job every single day. And I had jobs that I
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: hated every day in doing what I do in the morning,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: or touring or this. And it's also like when I
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: speak to people, I'm like, if you find something that
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: you love to do, it's not just that I having fun,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: but you'll actually want to be better at it. And
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: when you want to be better at something, like you strive,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: you achieve, and it's it's a cycle. You love it,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: you get better at it, you have success, and it continues.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: So I've found that for me to be successful. But
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: I agree, this isn't really yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: And for us in coaching, we utilize each other so much.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: Even when you play against somebody, you know them and
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: you talk to them in the off season. Some guys
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: you're really close to in season that you talk to
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: and you spit ball ideas and you throw things around.
• 35:16
  Speaker 7: And everybody knows everybody in our profession probably the same
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: as yours. You know. I've got a bunch of staff
• 35:22
  Speaker 7: members that have been in the business for thirty plus
• 35:25
  Speaker 7: years and hey, we played this team this week. Oh yeah,
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: I know the running back coach, I know the linebacker coach.
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: I'll give them a call and see if we can
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: get some some tips or some hand signals or whatever.
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: Or what was the environment like when we went to
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: that stadium? And how loud was it? How loud do
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: you have to have the noise of practice to try
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: to replicate those things. It's just never enny and it's NonStop.
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: But that's what makes it so much fun.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: What is your wife's favorite month?
• 35:50
  Speaker 7: Oh boy, I would say probably July, just because that's
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: when we get a little bit of a break. Her
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: birthdays in August and I haven't celebrated a bird. It takes.
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: We're in the middle of Fall Camp, our entire time together.
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: But she knew what she was getting into. She married
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: me when I was a graduate assistant making about eight
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: hundred dollars a month, so she knew exactly what she
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: was getting into. And I told her, like, your birthday
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: is in August. That's a bad, bad month. And so
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: now she just changed it. It's now in December officially. Yeah,
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: she just says, no, I'm out of town now. So
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: now she goes out of town every August and gets
• 36:25
  Speaker 7: away for her birthday. And I sit out of practice
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, well, she's in good hands. She's doing
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: our coach.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: One of the games I hate is when you guys
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: played TCU because they're just all purple on the field,
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, oh gosh, who's Oh yes, Kansas Courre
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: No that was TCU.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Is it ever? Like?
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: How well?
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: The first question when you go into the game, who
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: decides like, all right, we're wearing the darks, we're wearing
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: these helmets, we're wearing that. Because you got to coordinate,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: especially with a team like that's got purple purple.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, home team gets the selection. But last year in
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: the Big twelve championship game, which was at at and
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: T Stadium. It was a sea of purple. That's all
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: people saw. And if it weren't for the fact that
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: I knew where our bench was and the fans we
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: had behind our bench, but you looked across their bench
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: and you saw the fans like, but this place is
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: packed with purple. It was. It was definitely a sea
• 37:13
  Speaker 7: of purple. But I would say it was probably fifty
• 37:16
  Speaker 7: to fifty there. Maybe we had a little bit more
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: even though it was in Fort Worth.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: All I remember is texting Eddie because I'm colorblinded. Dark colors,
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: like everything over like a five on the darkness scale
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: looks the same. And I was like, dude, I don't know.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: What's what now to give them the update, it was.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm what, what's that's the border of the numbers?
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I can't really tell the difference.
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, there's some We've played a game a number of
• 37:39
  Speaker 7: years ago and the team had black jerseys and Navy
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: numbers and we were trying who's in the game, what
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: number were like, we couldn't tell. They've now made a
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: rule against that. You can't have contrasting colors on the
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: numbers to the jersey because you could not tell what
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: numbers were in the game, and it's that's a nightmare
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: or for us as coaches to see how many running
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: backs in the game, how many wide receivers in the game,
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: you can't even.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Tell the number, and that strategy on their part, right, well,
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: sure it is. Yeah, that's a game. I feel like
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: pilloff numbers, We switch numbers during the game. I do
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: all kinds of crazy stuff. I was looking at since
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: you join as head coach at Kansas State. I was
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: looking a lot of the head coaching records just in
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: those few years. There's just so much progress that's been
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: here at Kansas State since the moment that you took over,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: like actual tangible progress, and I think it's one of
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: the I won't say underappreciated, but you guys won the
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: freaking Big twelve last year, and I feel like people
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: didn't really hold you guys up as high as as
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: and I think TCU them not having a good showing
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: in the championship game just took some headlines because everybody's something,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: But I feel like you guys did not get the
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: credit you deserved last year, or didn't get held on
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: the pedestal as high as you probably should.
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: Have probably accurate. I think there's a lot of respect
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: for Kansas State. It doesn't matter if it's football, basketball, baseball,
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: whatever it may be. But you know, that's probably the
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: chip on our shoulder too, that you've got to earn
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: that respect every day. And our guys would be the
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: first ones to tell you that they probably like the
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: underdog status and they liked that, you know, being the
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: hunted perspective, and so you know, we talk about it,
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: but in the same respect, come every Saturday, you got
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: to perform anyway. And we've had some really good things happen.
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: We've had some tough losses here too, but last year
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: probably validated a lot of the things that we wanted
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: to get done when we came here in twenty nineteen.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: The pandemic year was a disaster for us, like it
• 39:46
  Speaker 7: was everywhere else and or a lot of people probably
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: had better success than we did. But I remember in
• 39:52
  Speaker 7: the pandemic here we would do our COVID testing on
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: Friday morning and then the trainers would come up and say, Okay,
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: these five people have COVID. Well, those are two starting guards.
• 40:02
  Speaker 7: Those are two starting linebackers. Oh and by the way,
• 40:05
  Speaker 7: they're close contact guys or you're starting defensive end and
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: you're like, all right, jump on the bus. So soe
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: who can play? Let's go? And that was that was miserable.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: So everything that we've done helps tarnish or magnify what
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: that was so crappy in twenty twenty. But for us
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: to get that big twelve championship last year kind of
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: validated everything that we wanted to get done here when
• 40:26
  Speaker 7: we came here in twenty nineteen.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: It's just such a big deal. It's Power five Conference.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: You win the championship. Yeah, we still have to hear
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: about and you don't need to comment. It's stupid Texas.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly who they are. So it's like, who cares
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: about you?
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: Don't comment on that, coach, that's just were still play
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: them this year. You said nothing about that. I just
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I was doing our comments here. What do your players
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: know you for? Oh boy, well you get a chance
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: to be with Cooper b B today, so he'll probably
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: tell you a little bit hopefully that I'm a player's coach.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: I value their opinion. We have a leadership council that
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: I want their opinion on things. I want their voice.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I think that's a big thing right now in college
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: athletics is you know, you don't want to be a dictator.
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: You need to have those guys have a voice and
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: take ownership in the program. And that's why I think
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: we were successful last year is you know, we gave
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: them a lot of things and then gave them the
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: keys and said, you guys got to hold each other
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: accountable to the standard that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: You guys expect. You know what we expect. But when
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: your peer can hold you accountable to that same standard
• 41:32
  Speaker 7: of what you do on the field, what you do
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: off the field, how you prepare yourself. And our guys
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: have that right now, and our locker room has really
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: good culture right now. And I a firm believer that
• 41:44
  Speaker 7: when you give the guys that ownership and let them
• 41:48
  Speaker 7: run the team and let them run that locker room,
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: it gets better and better.
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: Coach, I'm a huge Cowboys fan, So let's talk about Duce.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: Vanno and that fun one to talk about now.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, Deuce was awesome for you guys, and then
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: when he gets drafted the Cowboys super special.
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: Of course, the whole bad.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Connection, but he's sitting at the third running back spot.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: He's super fast.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not that big of a guy, but what
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: can you say about him as a person. And two,
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: would you ever call Jerry and be like, hey, you've
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: got to move him up what you need?
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Well, we would have played him all the time, you know.
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: And it's funny because Deuce and his mother sat right
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: where you're sitting when he was a senior in high school,
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: big infectious smile, and I said, you're going to be
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: a dynamite running back for Kansas State and you're not
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: too small to play, and we're going to build our
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: program around you, and we're going to build our offense
• 42:44
  Speaker 7: around you. And he was he lit up, and he said,
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: I'm coming to k State and that's what we did.
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: And that's what he did for us. So there's a
• 42:51
  Speaker 7: role for him and I don't know if it's been
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: defined yet. I don't ever get a chance to watch
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: NFL football Sundays, our busiest days. I'll get a highlight
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: somebody will send me like Julie Sprints had a who
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: played for US last year, had a strip and created
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: a turnover last week. I don't get a chance to
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: watch enough. But if you need me to call Jerry,
• 43:11
  Speaker 7: find you guys, get his number a lot easier than
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: I could. We'll give him a call and see if
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: we can get him on the field a little bit more.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: You define yourself as a players coach. Have you always
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: been a players coach or is that something that you've
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: transitioned to more of as you've been you know, had
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: just had more head coaching experience.
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, it's it's what I've always tried to be.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: I look at it as I was really fortunate to
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: get a head job at North Dakota State. We won
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: some games there. I was the d bat coach, I
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: was the defensive coordinator, and I always had a really
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: good relationship with the guys, and I always wanted to
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: be a part of the guy's lives, not just on
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: the field, but more importantly off the field, see how
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: they're doing, talk about their families. And then when I
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: got elevated to head coach, I just said, I'm not
• 43:54
  Speaker 7: going to change. And I remember one of our players
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: that had we had at North Kota State. I wore
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: a suit for a for the first game in the morning,
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: and it was my first game, and I'll never forget it,
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: and the kid came up to me and said, you
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: don't have to do this. Go put your sweats on,
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: or go put your your polo on, and we're going
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: to be just great. And I looked at him and
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: I was like, oh, thank god he said that, because
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: I felt so uncomfortable.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: And so I went back to just warning my polo
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: and my my khakis or sweats on that day or
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: the next game, and uh, I just I want to
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: be a part of those guys' lives. And the only
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: way you can be is by being around him as
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: much you can, by finding out as much you can,
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: by joking with them as much you can, by just
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: being one of the guys. And that's what assistants typically are,
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: and us head coaches oftentimes have to become CEOs and
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: all that other stuff, which you still have to do,
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: but you still have to break away and get in
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: in the locker room and the training room and weight
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: room and just you know, dig your heels in and
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: get to know them.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Let's talk schematically, especially defensively. In the NFL. You're seeing Miami.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: You know, they don't have a lot of big guys.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: They got a lot of fast guys. Talk about Dawn.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: They got a lot of guys that get an open
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: space and then run if it's you know, Moster, if
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: it's Tyreek, if it's Waddle. But then now the defenses
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: are having to change too, and we saw the Patriots
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: have to play like four or five safeties at one
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: time to try to keep speed up. What changes are
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: you seeing in the Big twelve or just in college
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: football in general? Are you seeing, I'll just speed winning
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: more at times, like in the linebacker and defensive backs
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: more than it ever has.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, without a doubt. You know, you don't run the
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: old I formation quarterback under center very often at all.
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: The other thing that's that is taking over college football
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: that's going to take over the NFL pretty soon as
• 45:49
  Speaker 7: no huddle, not giving a team a chance to substitute,
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: so that we're going to put our fastest guys out there,
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: and you better be able to match those guys. And
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: sometimes in the past people just match those guys on
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: third down. Now you've got to match him on first down.
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: You got to match him on second down. And it's
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: a skill level of trying to find safeties that are
• 46:10
  Speaker 7: fast enough or linebackers that are fast enough. But you
• 46:12
  Speaker 7: also have these tight ends that are six foot seven
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: two hundred and seventy pounds that can run four or
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: five that you can't put a corner on because they're
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: just going to wall them out and box them out.
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: And you know, I look at the Travis Kelce from
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: the Chiefs, who can cover him? Well, you know, you
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: can put a linebacker on him, but he's faster. You
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: can put a safety or corner, but he's bigger. And
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: that's what everybody's trying to recruit is the hybrid defensive
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: players that are fast enough to be able to stuff
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: the run, but athletic enough to be able to cover
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: great tight ends and wide outs.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Is it in a penduluming though, where you get so
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: many hybrids on defense, they're having to stop all of
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: these offensive playmakers that all of a sudden you're rotating coverage.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: You got some pass guys. Well, now all of a sudden,
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: everybody's trying to stop the wide open pass game. So
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: you got somebody who's like, let's just run it right
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: back down their throats and then it slowed. Has it
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: just a non stop pendleum?
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: It is a NonStop pendulum. The one thing that will
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: never change is you better have a quarterback. That's the
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: thing that will never change whether or not that quarterback
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: is a dual threat guy like a Lamar Jackson that
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: can beat you with his arm, beat you with his legs,
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: or a guy that you know, like Tom Brady was
• 47:17
  Speaker 7: that's just gonna you know, precision, just carve you up.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: You still have to have that quarterback. And uh, that's
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: the first thing that that we're looking for in recruiting
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: is every class can we find that quarterback? As well
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: as when we're when we're scouting teams and stuff, is
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: how's the quarter Because you can, like you said, you
• 47:35
  Speaker 7: can put everybody in charge of the past, but if
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: that kid's just going to run the ball on you
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: as a quarterback, you're in trouble. And so yeah, it's
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: a it's a pendulum. That's that. It's offensively as well
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: as defensively. It's ever changing.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: How hard would it be to install the wishbone in
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: one week and just surprise the crap out of a team.
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: It would be really, really hard. I believe it would be.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: But the student body laugh. I mean easier, but I
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: thought over I think this whole thing school.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: You know what though, but that's not what anybody wants
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: to see. Then then you know if if the Cowboys
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: did that, if you said let's let's Cowboys do it,
• 48:11
  Speaker 7: then the NFL is going to be mad because then
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: they're not throwing the ball en off.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: A one game, like a big one game, like we're
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: running wishbone, we're running triple option. Well that's the thing
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: that helmet you go all in coach.
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: Well, when we were at North Kota State, we had
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: to play Georgia Southern and they were all triple option.
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: And then my first year here, we're so excited we
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: get to go to a bowl game and we get
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: announced and we get to play Navy, and I'm like, oh,
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: this is gonna be a lot of fun, you know,
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: of having to defend triple option and your defensive line
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: getting cut on every play, and like, hey, we're playing Navy,
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: and the guy's like hey, great, yeah, so you gotta
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: be unbelievably disciplined and to know you're going to get
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: cut all the time. So it's yeah, it's really hard
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: to defend in and probably equally as hard. You know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: the one rule that changed in college athletics a couple
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: of college football a couple of years ago as the
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: cut block. You can't cut people down on the perimeter
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: anymore like he used to five years ago, three years ago.
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: And that's where some of those wishbone teams are probably
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: having a harder time.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Even though wide receivers used to cut people hard, which
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: they can't do anymore. But they wouldn't even even wide
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: out run just a tendon tear exactly. You hit it
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: wrong barely one time.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, those coupleocks.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: That's kind of how Aaron Rodgers ended up tearing his
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: achilles too.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's the thing that's so hard right now
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: with you know, college athletics or college football has changed.
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: We've gotten better on the targeting, right, I mean we've
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: used to get targeting and then the kid would have
• 49:43
  Speaker 7: the walk of shame because they'd throw him out and
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: you'd have to walk them off, send a support staff member.
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: Now they at least can stay on the sideline. But
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: you know, we've taken some of that. But now we're
• 49:53
  Speaker 7: having more lower body injuries because I can't go high
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: on you across the middle, so I go low on you,
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: and and you see some ugly injuries because of it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: And you know, there's that happy medium of hitting between
• 50:07
  Speaker 7: the knees and the chest, and there's not going to
• 50:09
  Speaker 7: be any penalty. But you know everybody talks about that.
• 50:12
  Speaker 7: That's a split second decision whether or not that guy's
• 50:15
  Speaker 7: coming at me. And if it's a kid that's sixty
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: five two hundred and fifty pounds, do you really want
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: to go high on that guy?
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: ANSWER's no, case you're wondering, I know, I wouldn't think
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: you will. Our final five questions, I'm going to start
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: with this one. The rule of a wide open fast offense.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: You know how to stop them act hurt? Just grab
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: your hamstring and get a cramp. We something's got to
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: change as far as if you get hurt, you grab something,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: you cramp like that's a the rest of the series
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: you're out, what would you suggest to the rules committee?
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: It's gotten better already, it's gotten a ton better, but
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: probably just the rest of the series. You know, if
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: a guy comes out, if it's it's usually when it's
• 50:52
  Speaker 7: one hundred and four degrees and you're out there for
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: that tenth play that you could potentially have it happened.
• 50:56
  Speaker 7: But then the probably should just be the series. You
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: don't know if it's one more player or more plays.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know when they're lying, you know when
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: they're lying.
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: Oh, absolutely, yeah. I think everybody. Everybody does. It's bad
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: when there's two guys down on the same play that they.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Forget who told you, coach.
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: I remember watching Friday Night Lights or something, and and
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: there was the part where they're, oh, it's somebody gets
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: hurt and he and the coaches like get in the room,
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: shoot it up. You're coming back out. It's like almost
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: like no choice. When someone does get hurt, do you say, like,
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: are you hurt?
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: What do you tell me?
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: You're injured? And this is when we work out that's
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: what he tells me. Are you that kind of like
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: are you hurt, you're injured? Or are you just like
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: you decide in your own seat.
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: No, it's a different world.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: I just go to the trainers and they say, he's out.
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: We're checking on him, we're getting something, we're retaping him,
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: we're going in for an X ray. We'll come back,
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: let you know. And now I just let them tell
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: me is he going to be back or not? Yep,
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: he'll be back, coaching, You got three more plays and
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: him ready and or no, sorry, coach, he's out. Oh
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: come on, he's not no, you just listen with the trainers,
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: doe you and move on. So that's become wich. It
• 52:09
  Speaker 7: should be. We should be out of the conversation on
• 52:12
  Speaker 7: that whether or not the kid's healthy or not to play.
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: Do you still take their helmet so they can't you
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: in the game?
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: You ever had anyone hurt grab their helmet and go
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: back in the game and sneak on?
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: No, I would no, I mean they, I mean they'd
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: have to grab somebody else's.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I go in different, different numbers.
• 52:29
  Speaker 7: Different changing your number.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: I come out number seventy seven, Like, who is this,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: Robbie Jones, guy man good?
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know. But if I saw you in seventy
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: seven playing old line, I'd feel pretty good about our change.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: And you should coach, and you should what's the what's
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: the ceiling here?
• 52:45
  Speaker 7: Oh boy?
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 52:46
  Speaker 7: Compete for championships?
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 52:48
  Speaker 7: And we feel like if we continue to recruit the
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: way we have been and continue to get the right
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: guys and continue to have guys buy in and develop,
• 52:58
  Speaker 7: compete for championships.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: Nobody knows. I mean, the landscape of college football keeps
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: changing with conference realignment and people joining and now beginning
• 53:07
  Speaker 7: next year, there's going to be twelve teams in the playoff,
• 53:09
  Speaker 7: and so if you get into that tournament, because I
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: used to be a part of tournament play in the FCS,
• 53:16
  Speaker 7: if you get in that tournament, anything can happen.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: That's so exciting to me. And the argument often was, well,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: you want to keep the value of each game in
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: college football, but we also love the NFL and there's
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: value to each game, but also the playoffs are freaking awesome.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and there has to be more value to every game.
• 53:34
  Speaker 7: But if a team slips up or slips up twice,
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: they ought to still have an opportunity. And that's unfortunate
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: right now because if a blue blood loses a game,
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: they're wanting to jump off that team and that team's done.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: It takes a while for teams to peak, especially right
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: now because of the transfer portal teams, players changing teams,
• 53:54
  Speaker 7: people having new rosters every year essentially or new players
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: that sometimes it takes you half a season and the
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: best teams at the end of the season and what
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: you're trying to get.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: Coach, very stressful job you have. How do you get
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: your mind off football? You have a boat, you got
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: jet skis, I go.
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: Play golf, which we should have went and played golf.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: We should we should have. Yeah, now you tell us
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: that because all you had to do is mentioned, maybe
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: we come last, and since.
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: It's an open week, we probably could have figured it
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: out if it weren't an open week. So nosid I do?
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: I try to go play golf, get my mind off it,
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: and got a couple of great golf courses around here
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: that we go out and play. If not, sit in
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: the back, cook out, jump in the pool, just try
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: to try to get away from it as best you can.
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: Do you ever throw your clubs on the team playing
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: and try to get there a day early and we's
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: a round in.
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: No, I don't think that would probably work. They'll probably wonder, oh,
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: sure you're a player's coach. Now you're just going out?
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Can we go too?
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: A lot of players they want to go with me.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Last question, You talk about the importance of having a
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: quarterback in every class at least attende to do that.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: So let's say that you sign a four or five
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: star quarterback last year, and now you're trying to recruit me.
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: I'm another four or five star guy, But I mean
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: there's this guy one year ahead of me. How in
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: the world do you get me to come here when
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: you got a guy in front of me.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: A lot of those four and five stars think they're
• 55:16
  Speaker 7: going to beat everybody out. So that's one positive thing
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: is now I can beat that guy out. The second
• 55:23
  Speaker 7: thing is they know they see how the evolution of
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: football is. Somebody may leave. Also, you know, people get hurt.
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: You know, every year that I've been here, other than
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: our first, our quarterback has missed a little bit of time.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: So there's always that opportunity. And you know, if you're
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: still selling the fact that we had in North Kota State,
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: we had Brock Jensen, who was the all time winning
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: his quarterback and FCS at one time, and we brought
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: Carson Wentzon. Carson sat for a couple of years, and
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: then Carson won a couple championships, and then we had
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: Easton Stick come in and Easton Stick ended up being
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: the all time winning his quarterback n FCS football and
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: behind him was Trey Lance we brought in. So we
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: brought in uh the next guy every time that they
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: knew that their opportunity would come, and when they had
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: that opportunity. With the type of offense we run and
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: same thing here with the type of offense that that
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: we run. When I get my shot and I make
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: the most of it, it's going to give me that
• 56:19
  Speaker 7: opportunity to play at the next level. Coach, thanks for
• 56:21
  Speaker 7: the time, absolutely, Thanks for coming to Manhattan and Kansas.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: This this feels like where I come from. I think
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: that's why I root for Kansas State and and like
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: my parallel universe of Kansas State to come from. I'm
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: from Arkansas's all we had. It's all we had was
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: University of Arkansas. And like we hated Texas, I mentioned
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: that earlier. I still hae Texas. We heard that, and
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: it's like now I hate Kansas too. I'm be honest
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: with your coach, and so it makes me love you
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: even more.
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: Okay, well we appreciate you guys. All right, there we go,
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: and have you come.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Back for the game.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Man, you will get you a spot, all right.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Thank you, coach.
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  Speaker 4: I enjoy and little nuances that I like to see,
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: but it's like full pop culture where it's not just
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: like a sin. If you're betting, I guess because it's legal.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And so that's what makes being able to have this
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: conversation so cool that a pastor asked me a line
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: for a game.
• 59:49
  Speaker 8: And that's that's where I'm different in the Northeast. I
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: grew up going to Saratoga bus trips with the pastor
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: of the church.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: So well in the South, in the rural South, yeah,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: rur right just down there. Yeah, I'm curious about kind
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: of the genesis that Bad Beats where where that show
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: actually we're starting right now, like oh yeah we're oh.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on, Oh we're on yeah, Oh yeah. I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: don't have a good Yeah. I don't have a good voice, Steve.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: I don't have it like a radio No.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if there was like a three two one,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: all right go or all right we're in it.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we're in It's That's one of my weaknesses, Steve,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: is that I don't only sound like somebody good.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: On the radio. I just talk.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: But same with you, like you have a very natural presentation.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: And with bad yeah we're on, we're on, right, we're
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: what's working?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: I guess? Yeah?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: With bad bad beats? Where did that come from? Did
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: somebody have a really bad beat? And they're like, this
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: has got to be a reality show and then it
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: turns into this what happened there?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 8: No, that's uh, that's that's a question that gets asked
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: a lot, and Scott deserves all the credit. We started
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: old radio show scp Mari Solo, you know mid Days
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: back in back in godwy Ten, I believe, and you know,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 8: Scott and I got together because you know, I was
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: Ryan's producer for college game Day and on radio side,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: so we would travel everywhere with game Day.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: We'd come back Monday.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: Ryan would do the show with Scott for their Monday
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: through Friday and we would go in pre show meeting
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: bs about the whole game, you know games, what happened
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 8: this week. And then when I took over, Scott wanted
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: to try Bad Beats on the radio and we did it.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: We got emails, I mean, everybody was.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: In on it.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: It just didn't resonate because you need the video, you
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: need the footage, right, And that's what I like, I said,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: I give Scott all the credit because when we came
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: over to TV, he's like, Hey, you're coming with me.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I'm doing my.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: Own Sports Center show. We're doing Bad Beats. You're gonna
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: be at the desk. And I'm like, what are you
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 8: talking about. I've never done a second of TV in
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: my life before. And sure enough we go out. I'll
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 8: never forget the first night it's Labor Day. We follow
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: Ohio State Virginia Tech. It's that, you know, Labor Day
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: college foot game. Scott's first show, and our pre show
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: meeting's like, all right, what are we gonna do for this?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: And we dig up. Oh man, it was Colorado State.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 8: I think it's Savannah State. We didn't even have the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: feet of the game. We webscraped it from Colorado State's website.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: And that was our first bad beat.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: But it's a team that was down by forty five
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: getting forty one, and they haven't scored all day, and
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: they get this drive where they fumble, recover penalty in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: their favor and miraculously score against Colorado State's fifth stringers
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: and boom, there we go and it takes off and
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 8: it resonates because everybody's had one, right, everybody's had multiple.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: I had Wisconsin the other night. I had an unbelievable
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 8: I was out in Vegas for the Elite A. I
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: had an unbelievable weekend. I'm leaving Tuesday night, I'm like,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: all right, I'm going to test my waters and take
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 8: it over in a Wisconsin game. And sure enough, they
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: go score us the last nine and a half minutes.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: And that's what I had my I think I went
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 8: thirteen and No, that would have made me thirteen and two.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: I went twelve and three on the weekend.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: But everybody has it because they stick with you. They
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: when you're when you're gambling. As much as you know
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 8: people do, there's ones that just stick out, and when
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 8: you're in the moment, you know what, what can beat me?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: Here?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 8: What do I have to get to to get the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: win here, whether it's a total or a right side.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: So I just think everybody's experienced it in that gambling side.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: But the other crazy thing is we get so many
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: notes now on social media. It's like, I don't gamble,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 8: but I still can't get over that happen in bad beats.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Why do you do it?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: I'm like, well, that's another conversation because you got to
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 8: be sick in the head to lay a couple of
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 8: shekels on a game. But sometimes that's what makes it fun.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, find when you talk about the Vegas Shop
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: because I was in Vegas two for the Sweet sixteen,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: in the Elite eight, because I went to watch ARCon.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: Really yeah, I went to watch Arkansas play. It wasn't
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: not it was not pretty, but I lost every game.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know what. You must know a lot more
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: than I do, because I seem to lose every freaking
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: game that whole weekend because they all were coming out
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: of nowhere. I felt, so, what's what's the magic secret here?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 8: Then what I try and do is when the bracket
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: comes out, I'll fill one out, okay right away, and
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 8: then I'll just have that as a basis. But what
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: I also try and do is go against what I
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: think the public's gonna be. So perfect example, I go
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: up to the Big East Tournament the week before, you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 8: know that, that conference tournament week, and I watched Marquette
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: and I'm like, wow, you know, pretty impressive.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Everybody's on them.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: They ended up winning the tournament, beat Yukon, beat you know,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: roll Xavier in the in the title game, and I'm like,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: that's a team on a goal against. Because I think
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 8: everybody sees the Big East Tournament, bright lights, big city,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: great conference. But I just Thursday more, Thursday afternoon, I'm there,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 8: Saint John's has the ball in the air twice at
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 8: the end of regulation, at the end of overtime, that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: ball goes in, Marquette loses, and this whole narrative of
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: them r QUT's the hottest team in the country is gone.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 8: So I saw that firsthand. I'm like, they are gettable.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: This all this stuff is is a little bit of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: nonsense to me, because it is the NCAA tournament. Look
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: at the final four. We have anybody who can beat anybody.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: So what I've done is try and go against that
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 8: Duke was another one. I'm like, I watched the a
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: shcc oh, I'm a Duke fan. They're not that good.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 8: I didn't like the matchup against Earl Roberts. I definitely
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: didn't like it if they got to Tennessee, so that
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 8: happens there now. Yukon was the one that I was
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 8: in on, but I had to see it first because
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: that's a coaching staff. I grew up there. I know
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: what it's all about. I know the pressure that was
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: on that coaching staff. They had won an NCAA tournament game,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: coming in as a staff at Yukon, going in a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: sennseate tournament and then look on the other side, it's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 8: Rick Betino, the best tournament coach there is.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: And that was the game for me.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 8: Once they got by that, I rode Yukon the whole
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: way through because they have everything.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: They'll have a great point guard, but they have everything
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: you want.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 8: They come in at waves, They're superb physically, they got bigs.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: They could defend their numbers.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 8: You know, if people want to look at the analytics
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: efficiency wise, defensively, offensively, they're great there. So that's what
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 8: I just try and go ahead a lot of times
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 8: it doesn't work out and my thing is up in
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: flames and it is a bad march, and I'll scale
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: back a little bit. But when I started pressing, you know,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 8: I wasn't that big on in the Sweet sixteen, I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: thought Alabama was getable by San Diego State because I
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: looked at that road. That was the last team I
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: thought that could maybe match up with them physically. Houston
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: saw them in person a couple of weeks ago at
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 8: East Carolina.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Love them, but.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: I thought a couple of years ago they had a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: better team, maybe even last year's team if they had
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 8: Sasser was better. They didn't blow me away, and Miami
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 8: was as dangerous there was. And Miami and Yukon were
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 8: the team that I rode into the ground sweet sixteen
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: in the Elite eight.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: So we had a good weekend.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: A lot of my friends will be like, hey man,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: you went all the time, and I'm like, bro, you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: don't even know. I don't reach out and be like,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 4: can you believe I lost this bet? And so there's
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: this miss there's it's almost like a mystery. Oh he
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: means the greatest bet giver ever. Do you feel like
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: people feel like you win all the time, even though
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: you have a bad beat show. Are they like Stanford
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: c you have all the answers.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: No, I do daily Wager show on on ESPN, and uh,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 8: there's plenty of time. Like when you're this is the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 8: other thing I say. If you're telling me you bet
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: three like NFL Sundays, right, I don't. I'm not a
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 8: big NFL guy. I think it's the hardest thing to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: the world to handicap.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 8: But if you're telling me you bet five NFL games
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: every Sunday for the year and you tell me you win,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 8: I'll call you a liar. There's no way. I don't
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 8: see how you could do that the volume. Uh, pick
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: your spots maybe, But when you're telling me you're betting
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: four or five games a day for an extended amount
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: of time, you got your you're building your own casino,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 8: I would think, because that's that's the size of those buildings.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: That that though, that that's where that money is. Uh.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: And that's why those buildings are so win because they're
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 8: taking their shot that you are not going to do that,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: and they get everybody else involved.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: So No, I do not win all the time. It's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: been a good run for sure.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: Do you feel pressure to be right though?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I mean there's there's Scott and I do
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: all the time. He does Winners on Thursday Night. I
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: do a podcast during college football season and on ESPN
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 8: dot com where I give college football picks.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: And you know, they moved the timeline off.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: I think it was like Wednesdays, we got to have
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: it in by and so there'll be sometimes like I'll
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 8: come off of a game or I won't change it
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 8: just because I put my name on it. But those names,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: those picks that have my name on it, I care
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 8: about those in any dollar amount I have on a game.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: Those those are what people are coming at you about.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 8: You can't read all your social media or else you
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: lose your mind because it's a cesspool and the grounds
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 8: for negativity. But there is some good stuff out there,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: and I appreciate the positive people because we can find
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: negative people anywhere. But yeah, there is pressure, for sure.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: I mean putting you on because we've done well. I've
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 8: I've had a really really good run. But yeah, the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 8: pressure the games that I'm watching or when I'm in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 8: the moment that I have my name on it for
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 8: a pick, then you know they put the screen stavor,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: so he says, this is his pick. Those are the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 8: ones that still get the blood float and the itches going.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: For sure, what's the longest parlay you've hit? How many games?
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: Oh, I'm not really a parlay guy. Like that's the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: one thing you talked about with all this nuance in
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 8: the last two years, like that that candy they throw
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 8: out you what they call the SGP the single game parlays.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: You can have them. You can have them.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: It's hard to scroll away, Like now I forgot which
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 8: one I logged in I got back from Vegas.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, let me see what we got
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: for Final four.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 8: I think it was even Major League Baseball dabbling in that,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: and I'm like, whoa, I don't need a five game
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: single game parlay the opening day major.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: League Baseball to get the day going.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 8: But a man maybe like a three or four team er,
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 8: nothing nothing crazy.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess if you don't do them all the time,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: like I'm an idiot in about once every month or so,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: you know, you do like a night Well, I also
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: eat up like the chum they're throwing out where they're
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: they'll retweet somebody to hit like for a dollar a
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: fourteen gamer and made a thousand bucks, And I'm like,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: why not?
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: What if I put five or ten on it? But
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: uh yeah, the eddie. Do you do a lot of parlays?
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: I do?
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: And my I hear you talking about the NFL, and
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: I'm the dude that picks every single NFL game from
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: Thursday all the way to Monday and put a dollar
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: on it, and I've never gotten close.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Now he's well, here's what I'll say about parlay's.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: Okay, I grew up in an era or an area
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 8: of you. You bet on credit, right, like you called
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 8: your guy and you said, all right, I want this.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: So it was kind of dangerous.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: And I've seen you know, there's horror stories of people
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 8: looking for people that owe money. I will say, with
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: these apps, and now with the youngsters, I see college
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 8: kids firing on these parlas all the time. Their money's up,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: you know, like they there, their money is paid and
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: the only way they're getting back is if they win.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: So I will say, as far.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 8: As like the gambling and the problems and what it causes,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: that's that half of that is gone because the money
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: they put up is already on the account, and therefore
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: they can't lose more than say calling your guy and
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: losing and say all right, I'm gonna.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Double up on the next game that doesn't come in,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna double up on.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: The next game, and then good luck. Fine to me
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: if you can't fight, if I don't hit any uh.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: So that that's the one thing I will say is
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: that the money is it's like going to the casino.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: Like you give your money, you get your chips, all right.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: The only way to get them back is your chips.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: You know, you put your chips back in to get
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: your money. So that's the one thing I will say
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: with these apps that I think uh is refraining a
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: lot of the problems for gambling that we've heard about
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 8: in the past.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd spent time talking with.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: Political folks, governors, you know, they had me lobbying a
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: bit where I would go, hey, look, it's not exactly
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: the same as it used to be. And also here's
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: why it's beneficial. You got to have a smartphone, you
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 4: got to have an account, or you also got so
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: there are all these layers that it don't make it perfect.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: It don't make it perfect, but it's not the same
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: as what it used to be and I would literally
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: sit with governors and say, don't just say no, because
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: people have always said no. And we're starting to see
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: a lot of states now legalize it. But how even
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: on the ballot in California and did not get passed,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 4: which blew me away.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't believe it. I can't.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: Like I've I've talked I'm the same way, I've had
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: people approach me. I've had you know, political people, and
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: they've they've gotten into the point where they just bring
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: Sayle's who was one of the first New Jersey, Like
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: New Jersey came in the first of the month, they
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: were posting like multiple millions that they were making off gambling.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: I'm like, what's wrong with free money? Who doesn't want
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: free money? And these states talk about the debt that
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: they all have. I'm like, here's the here's maybe a
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 8: little gradual help towards that.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: It's free money.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: Get the apps going, it's a sign of a paper
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 8: and you got money coming in like crazy.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: And now you see all these states posting the earnings
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: and the makings that they're winning off a gamble.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna sell cigarettes, but you're not gonna let us
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  Speaker 4: put ten bucks on a game that we already have
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  Speaker 4: the money in the account.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: Final question, So, as a high school ball player, one
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  Speaker 4: of the best, I mean, recruited so highly, but it
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  Speaker 4: was late nineties. You and I are around the same age.
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  Speaker 4: Whenever you hear what these kids are going through now
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  Speaker 4: as they're being recruited, like what was it like in
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  Speaker 4: ninety six versus what you hear about what it's like now.
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  Speaker 8: Well, the social media factor is totally different, you know,
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  Speaker 8: like I don't even know how they keep up with
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  Speaker 8: the rules whether I could contact you on social media.
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  Speaker 8: You know, back in ninety six, it was one call
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  Speaker 8: a week. Once I got to I think it was
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  Speaker 8: August first. August first they could call you, and then
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  Speaker 8: that was that was really hard because everybody is selling
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  Speaker 8: you the best thing. Everybody is treating you like their
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  Speaker 8: best friend, and everybody's saying you're the best player in
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  Speaker 8: the country, and you in these months, you know, in
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  Speaker 8: the month of weekly phone calls, you build up these
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  Speaker 8: these relationships with the coaches, and then you got to
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  Speaker 8: tell them no. And it's really hard as a seventeen
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  Speaker 8: year old kid being in a thing for a first
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  Speaker 8: time where you're getting treated like a god and you've
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  Speaker 8: got to tell somebody no that that was really hard.
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  Speaker 8: And now with the social media, I feel like, you know,
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  Speaker 8: they could type in something's a lot easier than a
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  Speaker 8: face to face, right, or even a phone conversation. So
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  Speaker 8: I do think that is the problem I have is
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  Speaker 8: you know, these guys going on their visits now, they
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  Speaker 8: take a picture in every single uniform they go to
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  Speaker 8: and I'm like catching like, oh hey, this guy committed there.
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  Speaker 8: Oh no, he just took a visit and wanted to
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  Speaker 8: see how he looked in the uniform. So they bring
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  Speaker 8: on a lot of stuff to themselves. But that's that's
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  Speaker 8: the day and age we're in here, right, everybody's selling
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  Speaker 8: their brand. The nil is real, so it's it's different.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not a big self promoting guy. I kind of
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  Speaker 8: like to just you know, lay low and do my
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  Speaker 8: own work and let the results play out. But these
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  Speaker 8: guys get out in front of it. So I think
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  Speaker 8: the everyday essence of it is what's different to me,
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  Speaker 8: And that's what these kids are brought up in now.
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  Speaker 8: And now I say, you know, I've always said when
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  Speaker 8: I got out of college, I didn't have a plan.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to do.
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  Speaker 8: I thought I could play football forever, and they you know,
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  Speaker 8: that's a harsh reality. So whatever I try and talk to,
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  Speaker 8: whether I go back to Stanford and talk or go
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  Speaker 8: to talk to college, like, you gotta have a plan, man,
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  Speaker 8: Like what's your major?
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  Speaker 2: You know, what are your credit situation? Have you done
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  Speaker 2: any internships? Uh?
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  Speaker 8: And the other thing is like sports media. I always say,
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  Speaker 8: get get on camera, get on tape. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 8: be on air as much as possible, because that's the
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  Speaker 8: first thing they want. And if you're one of these
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  Speaker 8: guys like, hey, I got a degree, all right, what
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 8: would you do? What kind of experience do you have?
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  Speaker 8: And they say, oh I didn't, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Have any like that.
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  Speaker 8: You're You're all the way down the ladder with that
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  Speaker 8: with that response. So I just, you know, get an experience.
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  Speaker 8: But these kids, I mean, everything is at your fingertips
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  Speaker 8: and it's it's fascinating to play out.
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  Speaker 2: But I always say, just try and have a plan.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a big fans sports center commentator, second producer on
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: the midnight Sports Center with SVP on Bad Beats, We're
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: in the world is an SVP. I mean it's all
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  Speaker 4: over at Stanford, Steve eighty two to appreciate the time.
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  Speaker 4: One quick follow up, who was the hardest no? Who
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  Speaker 4: do you have to say no to? That was the
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  Speaker 4: hardest no?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it came down to Stanford in North Carolina.
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  Speaker 8: Mac Brown was the guy at North Carolina. So as
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  Speaker 8: good of a politician Mac is, and the selling he
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  Speaker 8: can do and just being the overall the aura of
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  Speaker 8: mac Brown telling him no was pretty hard. But I
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  Speaker 8: will say he I did catch him in a lie
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  Speaker 8: because a year later he went to Texas, so you
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  Speaker 8: got him.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Well I think we're ready to start with the
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: interview now are you guys? Yeah, we're good. Catch up here.
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  Speaker 2: Three two?
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  Speaker 4: I Hey, Steve, thanks for the time, man, Really appreciate
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  Speaker 4: you A big fan.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, I appreciate you guys thinking of me, having me on.
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  Speaker 8: Continued success with all the guys you do. It's unbelievable
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: see what you guys have built. So that's a credit
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  Speaker 8: to you guys. Man, Thank you for doing your thing.
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  Speaker 3: Have a good day. Hey, thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 4: We got some great ones coming up next as well.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty five whistles.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you guys.
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  Speaker 4: So much happy holidays from all of us here at
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  Speaker 4: the Bobby Bone Show.
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  Speaker 3: See you next time.