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Live in the Vineyard with Cassie Randolph, Katie Morton and Joe & Kendall · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Oh we're gonna miss Ashley so
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  Speaker 1: much on this podcast, but I promise you it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a podcast that comes up with some dirt, some juice,
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  Speaker 1: and some really good experiences. We're sitting live, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're live at the Vineyard in Napa Valley right now
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  Speaker 1: at the Carnaries Resort. We want to say thank you
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  Speaker 1: to the Carnarious Resort for hosting us. We're sitting up
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  Speaker 1: on top of the rooftop and a beautiful I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what you call this sanctria. Do you know what
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  Speaker 1: we call this thing. It's a gazebo. Yeah, it's a gazebo.
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  Speaker 1: This gazebo is beautiful. It's magical. Uh. And we're talking
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  Speaker 1: to some of Batchel Nation's favorites right now. But this
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  Speaker 1: Live in the Vineyard Music Festival. You've heard us talk
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  Speaker 1: about it before. It's one of my favorite things of
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  Speaker 1: the year, and this year does not disappoint. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have Avril Levine, Kelsey Ballerini, Marion Morris, Adam Lambert and
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  Speaker 1: many more at this year's festival. So if you're ever
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  Speaker 1: in Nappa. You're looking for a time of year to come,
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  Speaker 1: You're looking for a place to stay, say at the
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  Speaker 1: Carnarious Resort during the season of the Live and the
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  Speaker 1: Vineyard Music Festival is worth it on this On this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have Joe and Kindle. Yeah, Joe and Kindle
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  Speaker 1: the ones. We're gonna talk to them about their scene
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  Speaker 1: dating app. But right now we have a really really
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  Speaker 1: special guest. Katie Moe is in the house. Hey Katie, I, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna start. I'm gonna do shoot. So, I you've
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  Speaker 1: had your time on Bachelor, uh in Paradise and The Bachelor,
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  Speaker 1: and and recently I had a friend that I was
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  Speaker 1: talking to and they told me just how much, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they appreciate you and love you as a human. And
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned it before in the podcast when you're on
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  Speaker 1: the show, I was like that girl, I know she's
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  Speaker 1: she's a solid person because of her eyes. Like you,
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  Speaker 1: with the eyes that you have, you can't hide anything,
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  Speaker 1: like you can see right through them. Katie thinks for
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  Speaker 1: coming on the podcast, Thank you. I'm so glad to
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  Speaker 1: be here. And that's so kind. Um. I mean, I'd
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  Speaker 1: like to say they are honest eyes I think I
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  Speaker 1: think they are. Katie. You've also spent some time in
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  Speaker 1: Denver recently. We're going to get into it. You're still
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  Speaker 1: dating Chris, right, Yeah, still engaged to Chris. Still engaged. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we date, We go on dates. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 1: we're all dating when we're engaged. I mean, honestly, we're dating.
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  Speaker 1: We just had to start with that little bit. But
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about you first, Katie. Obviously your life has
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  Speaker 1: changed fairly quickly in the last two years. Can you
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  Speaker 1: just give a brief rundown of what are some of
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  Speaker 1: the positives and negatives to where your life has taken you? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gosh, just been one year total? Wild um positives
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  Speaker 1: and negatives? Well, in a positive aspect, I've grown to
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  Speaker 1: know a lot about myself, a lot more. I always
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  Speaker 1: thought that I was very self aware, but you'll quickly
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  Speaker 1: learn that you have a lot more to learn about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: So I've learned that, um, I'm a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: times a mediator between my friends, and that I am
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  Speaker 1: an over empathizer at times two I empathized to a
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  Speaker 1: fault sometimes to where sometimes I, UM, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just generally an emotional person, but I will empathize
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  Speaker 1: to where I try to. I'm a fixer. I try
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  Speaker 1: to fix everything for everybody, and that will exhaust me
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  Speaker 1: in the end. So just learning to prioritize myself over
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  Speaker 1: this past year has been super important because I always
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  Speaker 1: put everyone before me, before UM in my life, and
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  Speaker 1: now I'm learning I'm really learning to say no to things.
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  Speaker 1: That was my big thing in October. I did sober October,
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  Speaker 1: and then I also tried to practice saying no because
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  Speaker 1: I used to get really sad about not being able
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  Speaker 1: to make it to UM something someone asked me to
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  Speaker 1: go to, or showing up for someone, and I realized,
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  Speaker 1: if I just keep over exerting myself, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: start showing up as someone who I'm not, and that's
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  Speaker 1: a frustrated person, that's a person who who was very reactionary.
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  Speaker 1: So in order to show up as my best self,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to say no and let them
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  Speaker 1: down in that moment so that in other moments when
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  Speaker 1: they need me, I can show up better. This is
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  Speaker 1: one of the most interesting things about Batch, like coming
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  Speaker 1: on The Bachelor, and I think you're pointing to it
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  Speaker 1: as all this kind of came about because of your
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  Speaker 1: time on the shows and the pressures that it's put
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  Speaker 1: on you. Um. Yeah, there also weren't this many opportunities
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  Speaker 1: to say no to this many things before. Um. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, some of the negatives have there's negatives and
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  Speaker 1: positives and everything. And I like to say that with
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  Speaker 1: negatives come change, and with change brings growth and growth
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  Speaker 1: is always positive. Um. But it's still I guess some
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  Speaker 1: of the negatives would be I don't know, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to think of negatives. It's hard. It's hard because I,
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, anything that seems like and I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you, okay, a negative. I uggled with depression a
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  Speaker 1: lot coming off of the show. So that's something that's
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  Speaker 1: very and that's a vulnerable piece of me that I
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  Speaker 1: don't typically share. I don't even really share that on
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  Speaker 1: my social media. So there you go. But I've struggled
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  Speaker 1: with depression coming off of the show, and that's something
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  Speaker 1: that I struggled with before. But when you have a
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  Speaker 1: larger audience, it seems a little bit more daunting sometimes
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  Speaker 1: or like it's a heavier weight. So UM, for me,
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  Speaker 1: surrounding myself as with the best family and I have
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  Speaker 1: the best family too as a support system and the
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  Speaker 1: best of friends. So being open and honest with them
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  Speaker 1: when I am ever struggling, it helps me crawl out
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  Speaker 1: of things real fast. Um. So those are some negatives,
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  Speaker 1: just deep whatever I've experienced, it seems even happy moments
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  Speaker 1: are accelerated and sad moments are heightened as well. So
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  Speaker 1: the negatives would be that some of those, um, sadder
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  Speaker 1: moments have been amplified. But other than that, the happy
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  Speaker 1: moments are so great. So it's hard to say when
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  Speaker 1: you do feel down and out a lot of our
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  Speaker 1: listeners right in and they have they struggle with depression,
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  Speaker 1: or they just I think a lot of people right
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  Speaker 1: now are feeling like outsiders, kind of looking in um
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  Speaker 1: and especially to this world um that you and I
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  Speaker 1: have both operated, and people watching they go, oh, if
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  Speaker 1: I could only be like Katie, if I could only
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  Speaker 1: be uh as elegant or whatever as Katie was or is,
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  Speaker 1: And you would say to them, what, Well, it's hard
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  Speaker 1: to just say one thing, but I would say to them,
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  Speaker 1: and what I've said to a lot of my friends
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  Speaker 1: is the grass is not always greener. And that's something
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  Speaker 1: that in this world, especially now with social media, is
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  Speaker 1: hard to get out of your mind. Sometimes you think
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  Speaker 1: if I only had this, or if I could do that,
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  Speaker 1: my life would be blank. And sometimes just just not
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  Speaker 1: the case, because with opportunities and with exposure comes great
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  Speaker 1: responsibility and um, a lot of things that you might
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  Speaker 1: not foresee when you're looking, because you can't see big
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  Speaker 1: picture when you're outside of it. Um. But I would
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  Speaker 1: just say the grass isn't always greener and also just
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  Speaker 1: appreciate and stay present to where you are now and
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  Speaker 1: appreciate all the things you have now. UM. I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's as far as I can really go. There's so
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  Speaker 1: many things I could say, but grass is always greener
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  Speaker 1: is a really good one you want to use every day.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about your relationship with Chris and
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  Speaker 1: and how great the engaged life is or I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: with Katie Moe. Um, Katie, you're an engaged woman. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you're just out in Denver, in my neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 1: That's where Chris lives. I want to start before we
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  Speaker 1: start gettingto your relationship. Um, there's a few moments f
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  Speaker 1: Batchelan Paradise. I want a point on because I've been
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  Speaker 1: waiting for you to come on the podcast and listeners
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  Speaker 1: out there we go. Yeah, I knew been when to
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  Speaker 1: ask this, I forgot. So there's a scene, UM on
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise where you're kind of talking. I forget
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  Speaker 1: with you. If it was with Chris, there was a
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  Speaker 1: guy and everything you were saying was not making sense.
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  Speaker 1: Will That was the scene and I watched it and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I know, Katie, I've met Katie. I've
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  Speaker 1: never had this experience. I remember going to the the podcast
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  Speaker 1: like that scene like it was wonkers walkers. What was happening?
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  Speaker 1: If you were if you were drinking too much, I
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  Speaker 1: get it. I've been there. If it was if it
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  Speaker 1: was just like you couldn't get your words out, I
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  Speaker 1: get it. I've been there. I have to know, Katie,
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  Speaker 1: what was happening. I am going to straight up tell
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  Speaker 1: you it was a mix of things. Yeah, of course
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  Speaker 1: we had had drinks. For sure, there was alcohol in
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  Speaker 1: my system, but I wouldn't say I was wasted by
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  Speaker 1: any means. I'm also narc o optics, so I get
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  Speaker 1: really tired and we pull late late nights there, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like a little kid who needs a nap
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  Speaker 1: even during the day. I'm like that. So by that time,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what was happening. And then I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you the truth. At that point, I had
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  Speaker 1: just gotten out of an interview about how I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be with Wills, and I thought Wills knew that,
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  Speaker 1: and so then right after that interview, he pulls me
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  Speaker 1: aside to do this little date card thing and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, this, And in my head I just was
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  Speaker 1: overthinking it. I was like, oh no, they're gonna make
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna make him look like I'm I'm saying that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to friend zone him. And then I come
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  Speaker 1: here and like he's doing this for me, like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my gosh, this is horrible. Um, and I and I
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  Speaker 1: guess I wasn't being clear the part I guess you
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  Speaker 1: didn't see. I wasn't being clear enough with him, telling
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  Speaker 1: him I don't really want to do this, and my
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  Speaker 1: producer was like, this doesn't look clear. So then when
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  Speaker 1: they're like this isn't clear, I'm like, I really got
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  Speaker 1: to just be cut throat here. And so that mix
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  Speaker 1: of tired, a couple of glasses of wine. Now I
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  Speaker 1: know I have to like maybe hurt someone's feelings, and
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  Speaker 1: I just talked about them. It was a mix of
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  Speaker 1: just like I cannot handle this, and I just started
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  Speaker 1: speaking in gibberish. I don't know. While while we walk,
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  Speaker 1: I got to get out of here panic mode. My
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  Speaker 1: body went into malfunction and I needed to reboot. Yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so here's something. Uh, it's relatable because the one of
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  Speaker 1: the negatives I think about being on the shows you
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  Speaker 1: always have to be on and there's moments in life
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  Speaker 1: where like it is eleven o'clock at night, you've tired,
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  Speaker 1: you've had a big day, and you do start to
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  Speaker 1: talk to gibberish, like you you have to go to bed,
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  Speaker 1: but you haven't yet for whatever reason. But this is
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  Speaker 1: your moment and it's on television. Oh my gosh. It
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  Speaker 1: was confusing. I was like, I remember coming to the Pockets.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what I just watched. That was the
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  Speaker 1: wildest thing I've ever seen. But now it makes sense
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  Speaker 1: and it's completely relatable. Yeah, and it's funny because before
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  Speaker 1: that I had Will's had done other date cards for me. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So it was it looks like it was the first
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  Speaker 1: time that he was pulling me aside. And people are like, ok, Katie,
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  Speaker 1: it's not that deep. But to me, in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we've already done a couple of little,
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  Speaker 1: tiny baby dates, so I thought, and I always think
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  Speaker 1: it's a bigger deal. Over empathetic, I was like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: crushing him. But he wasn't that crushed, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Like, it wasn't that deep. But I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, I'm gonna break his heart and it and
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  Speaker 1: it made me sad. So that that's funny. Yes, So
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  Speaker 1: like you're like, oh my gosh, this poor man distraught
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, well this's just don't work. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like it's cool, and I'm like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: is it cool? Okay, we gotta talk about Wills for
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  Speaker 1: a second. Um, it's been one of the mysteries our
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  Speaker 1: listeners continue to write in and they send these emails
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  Speaker 1: to us. Why is Will still single? Why does he
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  Speaker 1: go on these shows and it doesn't he doesn't end
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  Speaker 1: up with somebody. I don't know, well Will's personally, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what is some of the reasons or what did you
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  Speaker 1: see in Wills that said, all right, this isn't gonna
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  Speaker 1: work for me? Um, I'm a little bit more of
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  Speaker 1: like a m the first few days of Paradise, I
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  Speaker 1: was really bounty and jumping happy, and I think going
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  Speaker 1: into it, Will's had an idea of a couple of
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  Speaker 1: people he liked, and I know that my my happiness
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  Speaker 1: was something that was attractive to him. But he got
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  Speaker 1: really down on himself, um in Paradise, or at least
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  Speaker 1: it seemed to me that he looked defeated, and um,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't come off to me as an as inviting,
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. It just wasn't an instant thing
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  Speaker 1: for me. And he's a really great guy and he's
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  Speaker 1: actually really really funny, and but there was just some
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  Speaker 1: things that were off for me. So yeah, Well, it
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  Speaker 1: has been a mystery. I think it's gonna always be
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  Speaker 1: a mystery. Imagination on how Will's end up with somebody,
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  Speaker 1: But once again, you have ended up with somebody and
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about that, but let's sake a
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  Speaker 1: Coming back with Katie Moe talking about Bachelor in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: talking about Katie personally because she is somebody worth getting
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  Speaker 1: to know, and also talking about how awesome NAPA is. Katie. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: your time on Paradise I think can be summarized in
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  Speaker 1: one word to me, and that was a roller coaster,
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  Speaker 1: not one word, that's not one word, one phrase, A
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  Speaker 1: roller coaster of emotion. I was feeling for you, kid
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  Speaker 1: the whole time, because I felt like you had really
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  Speaker 1: high moments some like really low moments, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Will's conversation was like, ah, I know, you're you
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  Speaker 1: feel like you're crushing him. Some confusing conversations I didn't
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  Speaker 1: know if you and Chris were gonna work at the end.
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  Speaker 1: And then you did walk our listeners through this experience
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  Speaker 1: for you, because we just watched it and kind of
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  Speaker 1: like I felt like every week I was up and
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  Speaker 1: down with you. Was it like that in real life?
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  Speaker 1: It was one? It was like that in real life,
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  Speaker 1: um for me. For Chris, he said he felt more
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  Speaker 1: solid about us the whole time. But you also have
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  Speaker 1: to understand that for me, there was a point where
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  Speaker 1: Chris went on a date with Jen and then Chris
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  Speaker 1: doesn't come back until that Rose ceremony because he was sick. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, well, uh, it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 1: toss up, guys, like here we go, we're waiting, We're
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  Speaker 1: who's he gonna pick? Um? Because I hadn't gone a
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  Speaker 1: chance to talk to him that week. So and then
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  Speaker 1: throughout that, you know, there were times where Chris would
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  Speaker 1: open up and I felt that we took leaps, and
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  Speaker 1: then there were times where he felt he was opening
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  Speaker 1: up so much he would kind of shut down from
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  Speaker 1: it all. And he's been on this show for a
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  Speaker 1: long time, and I think he would feel emotions starting
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  Speaker 1: to come back and he would start pulling back and retreat, retreat, retreat,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, where's this guy going. Oh no,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening now? Um, now our relationships taking steps back.
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  Speaker 1: So there was a huge roller coaster going on while
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  Speaker 1: in Paradise um. And also we were kind of chill
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  Speaker 1: and not moving at first. We weren't moving fast enough
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  Speaker 1: for everyone. I think, um, And it's not that I
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  Speaker 1: make relationships move fast for people or not. It's just
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  Speaker 1: that's how for TV purposes, they didn't show a lot
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  Speaker 1: of us because we were boring in the beginning, because
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  Speaker 1: we were just friends getting to know each other, not
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: making out, just having like conversations about general family and
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: friends by the pool. So it wasn't something they really
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: wanted to show because they had a lot more juicy
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: drama uh ready and available. But it did feel like
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: a roller coaster of emotions up until the very end
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: when I started feeling very solid about us, and then
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: right it was right. But the week before Fantasy suitet
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: is when I was like, this is really happening, Like
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I think, I think it's gonna be a thing, and
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: then Fantasy Sweet Night comes and it's not about what
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: exactly goes down in the fantasy sweet but all night
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you have no mix, you have a lot of freedom.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: And we stayed up all night, ordered as much room
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: service as possible, and laughed and talked all night long.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And I sat there and thought, Wow, this could be
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: my husband. This is crazy. But I was smiling, thinking
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: this is crazy, um, and it became very real. But then,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: oh before Fantasy Sweep, we had that talk on the beach,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: and that was Chris having a little PTSD moment and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: struggling with a out of anxiety, which is something that
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: a lot of people struggle with, this self sabotaging behavior,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: which I did in the beginning. Then I felt really
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: solid about him, fought for him, and then he had
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: some self sabotaging behavior in the end. It was like
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: what if it doesn't work tomorrow? He said something like
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: that to me. I don't know if it played. I
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: think it did. Said something like, what if it doesn't
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: work tomorrow, we might as well end it now if
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: it's not going to work tomorrow. And I said, that's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: not how you do things in life. You don't just
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: not try because it doesn't because it may not work tomorrow.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Do you want this to work today? Do you want
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to be with me tomorrow? How do you feel about
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: me as a person? And he's like, I want it
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to work. I want it to work for a long time,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: like I want to be with you. I'm like, well,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: that's the answer to your question. It's not what if
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: it gets worse tomorrow, because if we keep harping and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: worrying about the what ifs, we're going to push everything
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: away that's good and good for us in this life
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: because we're worrying about it being possibly failing. Was it
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: all coming from a place of how think now that
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: you look back on it. Was it all coming from
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a place of how much he cared about you? Because
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: at the time it looked like he's not for sure?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Like from the from a fewer standpoint, is like, I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: don't think he's full into this. Looking back, do you
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: think it was because he cared about you too much?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: He was scared? I think that looking back and looking
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: back now, I think after the show, even a month after,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: when I watched that, I I lived it then I
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: watched it, and I'm like, he wasn't sure, And I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: thought that to myself forever. And that's why even on
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the reunion, I was like, I felt desperate watching it
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: back because I felt it a little bit while I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: was there, Because while I was there, he was like,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I want someone who's going to be solid about me
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and fight for me. And so what did I do?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I was solid about him and I fought for him,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: but then he kept retreating and it was very confusing
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to me, and to be honest, I'm still our relationship
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is not perfect. I'm still navigating a lot of We're
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: still navigating a lot of things together because that's what
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you do. But it helped us to communicate what happened
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: while we We had to rehash everything about while we
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: were there after we watched it, because I've we both
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: felt like we relived it a little bit, especially me,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And that was a little bit of a mistake on
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: my part because I know how much of stuff is edited,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and I can't just watch back everything and take that
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: at face value and possibly blame him for some things
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: that could be edited or whatever the case may be.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: But I think it also stemmed from true feelings that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: were inside me while I was there. I did feel
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit of desperation while I was there because
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I was giving so much more than at that time.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I felt he was giving, and that's how it looked
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: on from a viewer standpoint. Yeah, the last time I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: saw you in person was at the Union show. I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: was getting ready to go on to be announced as
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor Life to her host, and I was sitting
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: out in my trailer and I set up out and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I see you, and I go, oh, I want to go,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: say add to Katie. And then I realized that there's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: four AM recircling you, and Chris is standing probably fift
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: from you with his back turned. I at the time
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: didn't know what was happening because I hadn't seen I
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: wasn't in the show, I hadn't been inside watching it. Yet.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: It was a moment for me where I thought maybe
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: this was all over me too? You thought I was
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: going to ask, did you think so too? So? And
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: this is interesting. I haven't talked about any of this
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: yet really, so it's hard for so much has happened
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: then and up until now that it's um all of
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: these pauses I'm taking or me thinking back. Um. But
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: in that moment particularly, I felt defeated. I felt part
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: of me felt sad that I, you know, aired some
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: of our dirty laundry. But then part of me felt
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: that we were on a reality TV show and this
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: was me being reel and it was just this battle
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: within myself and with each other. Um I was frustrated
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: in that moment you because I had talked to Chris
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: about things that we had talked about on the stage
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that you didn't get to see, and um, I was
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: overall very confused that day. I think it was a
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: day full of confusion. It was full of hurt, um
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I and I didn't want it to end the way
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: it did, and I think that something in me it
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: obviously had gotten to a point that was um I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: wish I could have sat up there and said how
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: happy I was. I really really do, because I totally
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: would have. I'm so typically I'm bouncing around everywhere and
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: just hugging everybody, and I wanted to do that so badly.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: But when Chris Harrison started asking me those questions, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: was like, shoot, I can't, I can't. I want to,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I can't. There was a decision up on stage when
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: you're sitting there, Chris starts asking these questions, and at
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that point, you go, if I'm going to be true
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: to myself and true to my relationship and true to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the story that's been shown for months. I can't fake
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: these answers. Well, Chris, my CRISP. So sorry, there's your
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Christmas My Cris B knew about my dissatisfication dissatisfaction in
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the relationship at that time, UM, but I think he
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: thought that I could kind of push through it. And
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: we were separated in trailers that day. We didn't get
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: to spend any time together. And I know a lot
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of the couples do, um and I had all day
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to think, you know, Katie, are you going to go
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: up there and just be happy? And you know, just like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: let let things try and make things better. And I
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: had been trying to make things better and trying to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: communicate my feelings the entire time, and nothing was getting better.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: So I said, I mean, I owe it to myself
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: and everybody else to just tell the truth. And it
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: was nothing bad against Chris in my mind. I didn't
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: want anyone to all against Christ and boy did people
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: go against him. And that made me feel so guilty.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I housed so much guilt after that because that wasn't
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: my intention. My intention was to say, hey, this is
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: where we're at right now. It's not great, and I
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: wanted to be good, but this is what I'm getting,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: and I just want a little bit more. And I
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: think you guys have seen a pretty true, true depiction
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of our story for the most part, and this is
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: where we're at right now. And I wanted to be
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: honest and I thought Chris would agree, but he was
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit more shocked than I expected, and um
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: it it put a little fire under both of our
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: asses to really put more effort into this relationship. But
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: it also was a bit of a shock for a while,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: shock to the system, you know. I think there is
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: something to be said about those moments of clarity and intention.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's unique to have it done on national television,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but I also think the world can't compare because everybody
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: has the opportunity. And for a viewer, I was, I mean,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I guess glad it happened because it helped me understand
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you and Chris a little better. Um I think as
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: as a friend, I think it was also something I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was nervous about because I walked out and I was like,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: this is done, Like Chris, I saw Chris turn around
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a hand and seen Chris in a while, and he
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: just kind of walked past me and he said, hey, Ben,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: what's up? And I was like, that's not the normal
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: reaction I would get from him. If if this is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: all good? And I saw you and you wave, then
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: he took off on a golf card. I think, and Katie,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: so all of this is the last time I saw you?
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Where are you at now? Wow? All of this was
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: the last time you saw me? Oh man, I feel
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like I just had to just dig so deep. We
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: are so much better now. We're not perfect, We're never
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: going to be perfect. I'm never going to be I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: My relationship with Chris is definitely different than any other
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: relationship I've ever had, but different isn't bad. It was
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: something for me. I think that there was a part
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of me that was a little immature, um in a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: sense to expect it to be like something I've had
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: in the past. That's um, that's not what love is.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: And I had to take a step back and say,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: you know what, Katie, like you fell in love with
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Christopher Chris, Chris isn't going to be all of a
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: sudden love e Debby. Chris being sick put a lot
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of um wedges in our relationship at first, and I'll
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: go back to that, because this is why it's sometimes
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: very hard for me to explain where we're at and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: how we got here. Um, when he came off the show,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: we were still navigating him being sick and because he
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: was like, literally the day after our engagement, he was
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: thrown up. And see that's I want to because Chris
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and I have talked about this on the podcast, because
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I was sick through my whole time being the Bachelor.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: That's when I lost the like thirty five pounds and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I had the parasite and I couldn't like stay in
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the bathroom, like I was so sick, and it affected
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: my whole experience as well. So Chris and I have
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: related on this, and I know this of how difficult
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it is. We don't feel good to then date well,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: so so you get that. So and he was trying
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: to be this man about it and not communicate with
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: me how bad he was feeling. So he was just like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I don't feel that well and would shut off a
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: little bit. And I'm like, we just got engaged. We're
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: sitting in this beautiful resort, in this pent house, sweet
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to ourselves, and he's just chilling in the bathroom throwing
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: up for two days and I'm staring at the ceiling.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh my god, does he regret everything
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: he just did? And it puts these little and since
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he's not communicating it with me or how bad he feels,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: are I think I need help or I think I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Essentially the relationship was still so new. I'm like, oh
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: my god, this guy is sick because he's probably anxious
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: at the fact that he just proposed to me. And
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: then that's what in my head I started thinking. And
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: then even um, because even being sick affected the intimacy
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: of the relationship, and so then the physical part of
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: our relationship kind of was going could it makes so
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: much sense now, like how could you be physical when
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you're when you want to throw up every second? Or
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: when he feels like his heart is fluttering? Um, And
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: but he wouldn't tell me he wanted to throw up
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: every second. He wouldn't tell me he felt like his
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: heart was doing this weird flutter. And because I didn't
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: know that, and because he would just stare off. He
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: would get cold when he felt really ill, and he
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: would say, don't touch me right now. And if someone
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: says don't touch me right now, and you just got
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: engaged in this is the honeymoon part were supposed to be.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I was beside myself. I'm like, this guy doesn't even
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: want to be near me, and so all these things.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: He didn't realize that all he had no idea that
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: everything he was saying to protect him himself or to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: not tell me how ill he was was making me
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: feel like I wasn't enough and like I wasn't or
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: or he didn't like me. And I'm like, he doesn't
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: like me, but we're engaged now. I'm so lost, um
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And I think a lot of it part of my
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: confusion is the vulnerability of him on the show. He
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: felt so sick on the show that every time he
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: was needed to be vulnerable, he was like, let's be vulnerable,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: and let's I gotta get vulnerable and do it fast
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: because I gotta get out of here. I don't feel well.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So when he had finally time with no cameras, he
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: didn't want to talk at all because he didn't feel good.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But him not feeling good lasted for months and months.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I hadn't even known this guy, but since since I
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: had only known him for six days before he got sick.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So essentially the whole time in Paradise, I was saying, Oh,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: he's gonna get better. He's going to get better. He
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel well, He's gonna be nicer, he doesn't feel well,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: He's going to like all this stuff he's once weeken
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: him off this this beach. He's not gonna be as
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: miserab ball. I know it's going to be better because
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Chris would he was really loving and he does. He
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: is loyal to a t and he will go to
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: war for his family and his friends and for me.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: But um, and he had his moments where we would
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: have so much fun, but there were few and far between,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and I couldn't tell UM if I was going through
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: something where it was more on the side of an
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: emotional uh, and I don't want to. I couldn't tell
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: if I was going through something with someone who was
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: emotionally unavailable to me, or if I was going through
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: or if he was actually sick is what it was.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And I was like, is he never going to show
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: up because emotionally he's unavailable and this is never going
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to happen. And I'm crazy to think that these glimpses
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: that I'm getting are are true or truly a depiction
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: of what it could be? Or is he actually sick?
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And then commit your life and partnering with this person
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: who you don't you're like not knowing if you're getting
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the full picture right. And I thought to myself, did
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I just fall in love with potential that may never
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: come to fruition? And that to me resident I mean
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I was. I thought on that for weeks um but
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: then we went through so much and I told him,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, when you are sick, we have to
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: make this fun somehow for you. We have your you,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: even if you're sick. You have to live your life
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: to where you can enjoy some moments, not every part
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of you, you being sick can be miserable. Because I'm
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: going through this with you. I'm not going anywhere, not
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: for not for now. I like, not for now, I'm
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: not going anywhere. So I'm going to be here until
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: you get better. And I want to enjoy my time.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean we have to jump around and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like hug each other all the time, but like, like,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: let's let's be pleasant. Because he was being one of
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: those grumpy, grouchy sick people and I was like, let's
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: be pleasant with each other. Let's be let's just just
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I was Chris. I'm telling you, I'm
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: going to sleep been this hospital chair and it's not comfortable.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I could be grouchy too, but I'm not going to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: be because I want you to feel good and I'm
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: gonna make that hospital. Yeah, this is such a story.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: See these are the moments too that helped the find relationships.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: So Katie, with all these things, then with the illness
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and the paradise, now leading up to today, are you happy? Yes,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: I'm happy. And what me and Chris have So here's
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: some good things about Chris and I because I feel
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: like everyone always gets here the bad. So when me
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: and Chris have done that's really great and fun. What
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: we love to do is try a lot of food.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: And I know people are like food that's so basic,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: but we um. We love to try and get really
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: ritzy spots in new cities. So when we were in
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: New York, we went to this restaurant called res Dora
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and it's like booked out for four months. You know,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we try and get He knows people in the food industry.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I think his brother in law owned a couple of
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: like really high in restaurants. So we try and get
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: these bots that you just can't get anywhere and go
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and have this private meal and order like five different
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: courses and try it like we are these food critics.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And so we do really fun, cute things and I
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: enjoy that with him, and we also are very much
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: home bodies, and um, what's funny is I'm always so
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: tired that we watch movies together, but we don't actually
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: watch movies, like he turns the movie on and I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: fall asleep before anyone can say one line. But so
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: those are like some fun things we do. We play
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: board games, we play Room me Cube together and just
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like enjoy each other's company. But it's been a lot
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: of learning to communicate, especially because I just now that
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: he's been getting better and feeling better, life has been
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: getting better, because boy was that daunting. And I felt
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: like we went through the in sickness and in health part,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Like we went through the sickness part right off the bat.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: It was like, here you go, you guys get sickness
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: today and for the rest of the next few months.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited to enjoy health and like
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: navigate the health side of things, because that's when I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: feel like I can truly be myself in this relationship.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: With the sickness part, I was on edge. I'm on guard.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to protect him, trying to make him better.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I'm getting frustrated when he's not getting better for him,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: And that's the over empathetic part. I'm like, my whole
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: body feels for him. So I'm excited that we both
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: can kind of relax now, because it was also making
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: him anxious not to know what was going on in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: his body. And I get that too. How often you
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: guys together? Um, not often actually, but I would say
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: every two weeks. But when yeah, I mean, but when
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: we see each other. I kinda I like that. But also,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Chris doesn't like talking on the phone. I've gotten him
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to face time more so that's made it easier to
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: be a part um. I'm on a big phone talker either.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I get, Yeah, it's not not much to say after
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: a while, it's better to face time or or say
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: it say it in person. So, Katie, you and Chris
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: are doing well. You're happily engaged. You've been through You've
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: been through some stuff since Yeah, we've been doing some illness.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Now we're getting in the health side of things, and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I think there's only an up and up for you.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: So outside of relationship with Chris, uh and outside of
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor ward, what are you up to that you
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: can tell us or UM that you're excited about. UM.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: For all the listeners out there who are huge fans
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of years, what can they be looking forward to? UM?
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: A lot of stuff. So I've been doing. UM. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: had an event it was called well Arrested. I did
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: it with the brand name Kendra Scott. It was all
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: about sleep in the Sleep Initiative. I'm really into the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: sleep side of health. I believe in fitness and die
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: at a percent, but if you don't have sleep, then
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it means nothing. UM. I've struggled with narcolepsy for so
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: for how long has been wove fifteen years I was
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: diagnosed with it, so UM, it was really important to
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: bring sleep to the forefront and UH so that was exciting.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: But also I actually just got booked on a movie
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and that's a boast, but that's just awesome. We want
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: to celebrate podcast. Congratulations. Thanks. I I'm not speaking that
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  Speaker 1: I know of yet, but I'm like one of the
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: lead dancers for a movie that one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: actresses is in Meryl Streep. So see, Katie, that's so cool.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I'm really pumped to actually like I'm smiling like I
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: really should be. That's a huge accomplishment. Yeah, thank you, Katie.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: You gotta keep crushing it. You gotta keep coming on
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Um, thanks for just being you. Thanks for
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: coming on today. I'm so excited to be able to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: be here in Napa with you at Live in the Vineyard. Um, Katie,
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  Speaker 1: It's how I connect back with my Indiana roots. And
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: today the almost from his podcast is lucky enough to have.
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand and seventeen, he was named as the
• 39:55
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  Speaker 1: It's Adam Dull the Act. Adam, welcome to the podcast.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Uh. You're here for a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One is you've had a ton of
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: success and it it makes sense. Your songs are incredible,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: but there's a bachelor tie in here recently, um that
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about. You chose to have Colton
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: and Cassie in your most recent video Famous. Why I
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: did so? I put a song called Famous out earlier
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: this year and with it with it being I was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: an independent artist at that time. I'm now signed to
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: to Sony Music in Nashville. And Uh, Colton and Cassie
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: were on the on the way to ask and on
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: a road trip and they took a video with their
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: phone basically just kind of bob in their head listening
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: to Famous and like we don't know the words but
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: we love this song, and they just kind of put
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: it on Instagram and as you know, like a lot
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: of my friends sent it to me said look who's
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: posting about your song? And so I reached out to
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: them and said, hey, thank you guys so much, and
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: we've kind of kept in touch ever since then. I
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: think that was March or April. And uh so you
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: don't always get to make a music video for the song.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: You know, has to be pretty successful, especially as an
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: independent artist at that time, to to go put the
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: money into a music video and get to do that.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: So when it came time, um, alright, we were talking
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: instead it would be cool to have some famous people
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: with it being called famous in the video. And I
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: remember that they were the first person ever to post
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: about the song and to shout it out to their
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: fans and all that stuff. So we you know, they
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: were my first choice to ask, and I asked him
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: and they wanted to do it and the only person
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I had to ask, and it worked out great. Yeah,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: obviously this is a Bachelor focused podcast, and so we're
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: always a huge supporter when somebody seems to highlight Bachelor
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Nation in new genres. But for you famous is obviously
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: the song that's hot right now and will continue to
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: be hot for for months, overally, years, decades to come.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: But this isn't your first hit. You've had a ton
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: of songs in the past. Tell anybody out there listening
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: who is maybe familiar with you or not coming some
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: of your history, uh, and and some of the songs
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you've came out with for for the last couple of years. Yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I put music out for the first time in two
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: thousand seventeen. And when you do that, it's it can
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: be a little bit scary. You don't really know if
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: people are gonna like the songs or love the songs
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: or hate the songs. You just you know, the fans
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: are never wrong, and most people have a boss and
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: nine or five boss or something. As an artist, we
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: just have fans. If they love it, then we're doing
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: our job right, you know. Um. And the first thing
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I ever put out was a song called Whiskey is
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Fine and uh, still one of my favorites the scene
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: to this day and a big reason I'm still I'm
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: still doing this, I think is is that song. It's
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: sold like forty copies opening week. I remember specifically Chipper
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Jones retweeted it when it came out. He was my
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: favorite baseball player growing up. Um, and we put out
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: a bunch of songs. Uh. The serious Sex in the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Highway has been really good to us as long with Spotify. UM,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: and Whiskey's Fire was a single. There's a song called
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Bigger than Us that was a single. Uh, and all
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: that stuff still out now. So it's just kind of
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: been building and building building for the last two or
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: three years. And luckily Famous is doing, uh, you know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: better than any of those songs have before, and we're
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: able to keep rolling with it. You're from Haiti Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I say there Hattiesburg, Mississippian of landa Brett Farf I
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: was gonna say. And you followed his footsteps to Southern
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Mississippi University, where uh, you played baseball, And I heard
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: an interesting story about you. You're you're a good baseball player.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: You got hurt and at that time your your whole
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: life kind of switched. Um. I had a similar story.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I played football, blew out my knee in my life
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: switch and I know how that's affected me this day.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about what that transition was
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: from a baseball player to an artist. Well, you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: obviously playing baseball, and I've had a little bit of
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: a random, uh journey to get to where I'm at.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I had a full ride to play golf in high school,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: so I actually quit all the sports, uh, focused on
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: golf all the way through my junior year of high school.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I got a four ride of Delta State in North Mississippi,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: and my friends talked to me into playing baseball in
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: high school the day of the first game my senior
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: year of high school, so I literally, I remember I
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: left the basketball court, walked out, filled in a bucket
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: of ball, hit a bucket of balls, and started in
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the game that night. What just doing it for fun.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I was at a smaller school, kind of just not
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: thinking anything would come of it. And long story short,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I was six four, I was left handed, had a
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: good year. Southern miss was in Hattiesburg, in the same
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: town that really the only school that even knew I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: played baseball, And towards the end of the year they
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: called me offered me a scholarship, and I literally I said,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: shut up. I thought they were kidding. I really was like, no, no,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: You're not giving me a scholarship, and they did. And
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: so I called this golf coach back. He had given
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: me a full ride for golf. Calling back, I say, hey,
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go play baseball. I can play golf Tom
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: ninety and so that's how I ended up in baseball,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and you know, landed there. Three years later, we're playing
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: in the college World Series. Um, I had never really
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: watched the college World Series growing up. So I'm walking in.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: There's thirty thousand people just screaming at me. It's just insane.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Oh Maha, was just such a good time. And that's,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: you know, a feeling that I'm still kind of chasing
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: in music really, that that that crowd, that that energy,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: you know. But I didn't even you know, at that time,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't sing or play guitar either. So I'm doing
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: the baseball thing. I've been a drummer in my whole life,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: always been a big music lover, but never really stepped
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: into the spotlight of it, you know. And so my
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: roommates in college, two of which are on the World Series,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: the Nationals. They just won the World Series, which is
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: pretty awesome. Um, they all had guitars, they all played guitar.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So when they would leave, I would pick up a guitar,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: teach myself and they would just kind of hear me
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: singing along around the house. And they actually booked my
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: first shows for me. They actually went around. I was
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: scared to sing in front of anybody who was this
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: um So Brian Doser who was on the nationals Um
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and Anthony run Down, he wasn't He's not a roommate,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but he played at Rice, so we played against him
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: every year. Um and George Springer on the Astros. I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: played in the Cape cod with actually, so I'd pretty
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: much this root for the teams my buddies around now.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I just they I was scared to do it.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: We booked shows, I showed up, a lot of other
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: people showed up. It went really great from from the
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: early get go of when I started, even if I
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't good at that time. The comment I got was, hey,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you have a really cool or unique voice, and it
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: was something that I just kind of gravitated towards and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: tried to write my songs using that something different, you know,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: And so I just kind of kept at it, and
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: before I knew it, I'm I'm moving to Nashville and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: I've been there for seven years now and it's been
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a slow, slow built, slow bill. But everything you know,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: it's kind of working out how it should. I think
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: your stories, I'm I'm so intrigued. You mean, let's summarize
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: this for a second. Don't you make any sense. You're
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: a golfer who gets a full ride scholarships, who picks
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: up a baseball who gets a Division one scholarship to baseball,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: who picks up a guitar, who then becomes like a
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: full musician. I wish I had the skills you had.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I just talking to Mike for a living good point.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: But you do it a lot better than I do. Man.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's in just a side note here. My
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: girlfriend just her brother just recently won the College World
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Series of Vanderbilt. So I've heard the stories of how
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: crazy it was this year. That was this year, so
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: full circle moment for me. Uh played in it back
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: in two thousand nine. This year Kyle Peterson, who used
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: to be a professional player and now announces for the
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: College World Series in ESPN, he had heard famous. They
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: called me and they said, well, you write the theme
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: the theme song for the College World Series this year.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So they called me like a month before, and I did.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I wrote it. If you watched it this year, you
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: heard it probably without even knowing. It's a song called
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Key to the City. And I haven't I know exactly
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Yeah, I haven't actually released it yet,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: but that's me singing. And I wrote that song with
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of my buddies, and I think it's going
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: to be the song for the next like five or
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: ten years. That's amazing. Yeah, because when I watched his
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: videos now, like the flashbacks and everything, like, that's what's
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: playing in the background. That's the song of the world series.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Oh wild man, this is crazy, Adam. I am a
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: huge fan of you. I have to admit um. I
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: want to know one thing. We're gonna give Cassie a
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: call here in a second, bring her on talk about
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: this song and everything else. I think a lot of
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: our listeners relate with your story, where dreams have shifted,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: maybe things have change in their life. What is it
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: like now to be a guy from Mississippi who's obviously
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: had success, uh and gone to high high places and
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: everything he's he's kind of gone after What it's like
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: sitting in Napa Valley. After you've played at the brunch
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Um at Live in the Vineyard, knowing that you have
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: fans all across the country that your songs will will
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: undoubtedly be very successful, do you ever just take a
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: second look around and go, how in the world did
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I get here? I do that all the time as
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: a matter of fact. Uh, It's it's really amazing. It's
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I try to stop as often as I can just
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to kind of say, tell myself, how lucky him to
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: get to do what I love for a living and
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: to have, you know, like you say, fans, were able
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to kind of go around around the country now and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: sell tickets and and play for these fans. We have
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: some of the best fans in the world. And it's
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: it's an amazing feeling. It's it's a time in my
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: life right now where I'm getting to do a lot
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: of first you know, all these places I wanted to play,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: just like Napa. You know, I've heard of this event
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: for a long time, and all these things that I've
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: always wanted to do or just kind of starting to happen,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and it's just such a dream come true. And I'm
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: just I'm just really really lucky to get to do
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: what I get to do. You know, I'm not overstepping.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I live in Denver. One day when you come to
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Red Rocks, I'm gonna be out there on the front
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: row scream in your name. But that's my dream, that's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: my dream venue. That's the first. One of the first
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: CD has I ever had was Dave Matthews Band Live
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: at Red Rocks. I think it was. And it's like,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I remember, my brother gave it to me for Christmas,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and I just I listened to it for years and
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: years and years. So it's always been I've been there,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: but never actually been to a show there or played
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a show there. I I will be front row when
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: that happens, and and I think it will be happening
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: very soon at least it should be. Um, your very
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: first concert ever was in Sync? Are you still an
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: in Sync fan? Yeah? Everybody's an in Sync fan. I'm
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I'm big Justin Timberlake fan. Yeah. I got a bit
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: of a man crushed on Justin Timberlake. Little envious of
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: that guy though. Yeah, he's threat, he can do everything. Yeah,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I get a little angry when I see him. You know. Well,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I play in a couple of golf tournaments every year
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and playing in UH the Diamond Resorts UH Celebrity Challenge
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: this year in Orlando, and Timberlake is going to be there.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: And the problem with Timberlake is he's good looking, he
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: can dance, he can sing, entertain the crowd, and he's
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: really good at golf, and so all of those things
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: are things I'd always want to be that he is,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: and it makes me very angry. Well, i've never met him.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't make me angry when I meet him,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: But I would love to play golf with the guy,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. Is he really good like scratch good
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: or yeah, he's pretty good. He's like he's probably a
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: two two handicapped. So one day we'll get out there
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and play golf Adam once again. Before we bring Cassie on.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Adam's song is Famous. It's now available, the video is
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: out there, and on this video is one of our favorites,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Cassie Randolph. Cassie, I watched the video. It's awesome. Uh,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's super well done. I love it. I think
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: it's great. Tell us about your experience working with Adam
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: and in this guy that you seem to know pretty well.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Named Colton, Ah, this guy named colt um No. We
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: had such a great time filming it. It was honestly
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: one of the more fun things that I have ever
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: done to get there, I think, um And honestly it
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: was just like hanging out all day with friends. I
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like we were working one bit. But yeah,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: we had blasts the Adam before you came on. Adam
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: was talking about just how big a support as you've
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: been to him, and how you know you're one of
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: the first people to to really put this this song
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: out there. Did you ever expect kind of putting it
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: out on social media with then come full circle back
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to you being in the music video. Oh my gosh,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: no clue at all. I had had no idea. Um,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: we were just did Adam didn't already tell the story
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: of how it happened kind of a little bit, but
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: you can you can go a little bit. Okay. Well,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: we were just on our way to Aspen and the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: song came on the radio and we didn't even know
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the lyrics yet, but we were like, oh wow, that
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: sounds like it's going to be a really great song.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: So we listened to it over and over and over again.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: So of course we had the story it and UM
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: tagged at him. I'm so happy we tagged you. Oh
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: my gosh, Um. But yeah, and then it turned into
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: this and I had no idea what turned into this.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm so glad it did. And I saw the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: actual um Instagram story video today. Actually someone posted it
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: accounts and it was one of the fan accounts. Yeah,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I saw that. I was like, why do you still
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: have that? They are on their game and if you
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: if you were to post something for three seconds and
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: de lete it, they have it. They got it by
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: the time. Be cau be careful. So Adam, I have
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: to ask you. Cassie's on line. I watched the video
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and obviously Cassie and Colton are together and and they're
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: a great couple and they're happy together. But there was
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: something about watching this video, like when they gave each
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: other the eyes, it like took me back, Like it obviously,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a video, but they did such
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: a good job at really kind of showing how much
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: they cared, just how interesting they were. I've been telling
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: telling people this whole time. I don't think they had
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: to do much acting in this video. They just seem
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: very much just really happy and very much in love,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and it's it's cool to watch. I also say, I've
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: said this a few times, but you don't want to
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: be unhappy with your current relationship and be around Colton
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and Cassie. It's not a good place to be, you know.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: That is such a compliment. Is a compliment to you, Cassie.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, tell us a little bit about what's going
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: on with you and Colton right now. I mean for
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Adam to say that and say that if you haven't
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: any troubles, don't be around you guys, because things seem
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: so good. Are they good? No? Yeah, things are really
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: great with us. We're just having fun and enjoying our
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: time together and kind of enjoying how it's been a
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: little bit slower recently, not traveling too much. Well, he's
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: actually traveling right now, so that's a lie. I'm still busy,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: but it's been We're doing really good, such an awesome thing. Well, Cassie,
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I want to say thanks for coming on the podcast. Also, uh,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: thanks for being a supporter of a great artist, m
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Adam Duliac with the famous Cassie Uh to send us
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: off here. I always like to do is w gonna
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: put you on the spot. You got thirty seconds or
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: less to sell somebody on why they should become a
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: massive fan of Adam. Oh boy here, Oh this will
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: be easy because Adam is not only one of the
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: most talented people that I've met, but he all so
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: is such a great person. And I think knowing the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: person behind the music and um it really makes a
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: difference in the music itself. So, Adam, I think you're
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: a great person and you're gonna go far. And I've
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: already heard some of his music that's coming out um
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: soon hopefully so and that's also really good. So definitely
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: keep following him and keeping up with his music and
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: his career. Awesome, Cassie, Well, Cassie, thank you for coming on.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: I love you, Cassie. Thank you for having it or
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: having me. It's all one in the same of these days, Cassie.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: So hey once again, listen to the single Famous by
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Adam Doliak. The video came out uh this week, featuring
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Colton and Cassie. Generous has been up and going for
• 55:10
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• 55:13
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• 56:48
  Speaker 1: This podcast just keeps on giving. Right now, we've got
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: one of Bachelination's most beloved couples, Joe and Kindle, with
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: us in Napa Valley, talking about their most recent project
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: with the Scene dating app. Welcome to the Almost Famous podcast.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having us. We uh, we were chatting a
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: little bit before you came on the podcast about this app,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and I think only you two can explain it. You
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: explain it so well to me, and I think our
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: listeners are going to be shook with how great it is,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: scary it is tell us Kendall tell us about the
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: Scene Dating app. So, the scene Dating app is um
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: basically transparent dating. And what I mean by that is
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: that all of your conversations that you have with the
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: people that you match on the app, and all of
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: the video chats you have with um the people you
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: have on the app are seen by everybody else who
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: is on the app. So it's very um so nothing
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: is hidden pretty much, it's very out there for the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: world to see. You have to step out of your
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: comfort zone, which is very scary, but at the same
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: time actually produces is quality, you know. I mean, that's
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: what we had to do. So the scene dating app
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: is uh just launched this week on the App Store.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: It's called Seen s e n UH. So let's start
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: at the beginning. Dating apps have been around for a while.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: You've been able to swipe right swipe left for a
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: long time. Uh. There's obviously some great things about that,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: some uh, some beautiful relationships that are formed, and there's
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: also some negatives. And one of those main negatives is
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: a couple of the keywords that we throw a dound,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: like ghosting, some inappropriate pictures, messages getting thrown around, maybe
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: two aggressive behavior, what this app does, from what I'm
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: understanding from you, is this app allows transparent dating to
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: be at the forefront. So as we like to say
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: in vatter Nation, you have to be there for the
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: right reasons. Yes you have. You definitely have to be
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: there for the right reasons because there's no hiding. And UM,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I feel like with Joe's in my relationship, because it
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: was so public, we found strength and vulnerability. And I
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: feel like the app does the same thing. You are
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: able to build meaningful and honest relationships. Um. And it's
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: a scary thing. I mean, with Joe and I was
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: extremely scary to have a public relationship and have everyone
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: else's opinions. UM. But at the end of the day,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I felt like it allowed us to um live at
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: the edge of our comfort zone, which made it so,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: you know, we have a really successful relationship with nothing
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: to hide. Well. And and there's so many apps out
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: there are so many dating apps in you know, you
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: don't know who is serious. And this is actually for
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: people that really want to date. And because you're able
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: to be transparent on this app, it allows other people,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: oh wow, this guy actually isn't a jerk. He's not
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: here to get more Instagram followers, or just to look
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: up he actually wants to meet somebody, and then with
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: that knowledge you can say, Okay, now I can actually
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: take this person seriously, so you could allow yourself to
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: be vulnerable, opposed to on the other apps, In my opinion,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: it feels like you have to be guarded because you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: don't know what's real and what's not. I can see
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: somebody out there listening right now, going wait, this seems
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: scary and it seems incredibly intrusive. What would your responsibly
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: and it could be it kind of is. I mean,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: it is scary, and that's the exciting part. You know,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't we Kendall and I I don't think we'd
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: be involved if it wasn't a little scary. Yeah, And
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's also we wouldn't be involved if it
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: wasn't something that we've been through personally ourselves. And um,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: I think the scary part it's not as scary as
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it appears. You kind of get used to the fact that, Okay,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: my conversations are going to be public, and if you
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: have nothing to hide and you have true intentions, then
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: you know it's just allowing other people to see how
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: you are with conversations, how you are with you know,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: in person in these video video connections that you have
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: with people. Um. And also when you get further on
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: in the app, it's it's you get to have private
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: messages and you could, you know, exchange phone numbers privately.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: So it's not like you're going to be take advancing
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: your relationship like you know, all publicly and but you're not.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: It's for people that aren't trying to hide anything. Yeah,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: you know, you're just you're going out there, You're being yourself,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: You're showcasing yourself and if somebody's into you, great. I
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: love the idea of this. I think this thing is
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: so scary. I think it feels so uncomfortable, But I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: do think it eliminates some of the biggest issues with
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: online dating and social media. I think that's what it
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: does is allows us all to be our truest versions ourselves.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: Hopefully also are most polite and well behaved versions of ourselves.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: But here's what I know could happen with me right
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: We're in Napa Valley right now, so wine is flowing.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I could see myself drinking a little too much and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: saying something that I regret or maybe that I would
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: disprove of the next morning. Is it out there for
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: everybody to see forever? We have all been there. I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: have definitely had those moments with my stories where I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: wish I could I've deleted them. But the same thing
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: is with the scene app. So you can delete messages.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: The thing is you don't want to make a habit
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: of deleting all of your messages because like a permanent record.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: So if you delete multiple messages, people are like, Okay,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: well this person is deleted ten messages. There's a reason
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: for that. That brings up a red flag. Now, if
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: you know you get drunk every three months and you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: get a little wild, yeah, you have to live in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: l A to do this, So for right now, you
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: have to live in l A to be a participant
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: in the dating world of the site. But anybody can watch.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Anyone can watch, anyone can kind of um see what's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: going on. Um. But Seen is going to be spreading
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: to different cities soon, So we're going to be expanding,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: We're going to be reaching more cities, and we're excited
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: about that. We're excited for a lot more people to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: be able to have this experience. Because I think it's
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's just a new way of dating that
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: it's almost a new traditional way of dating. Yeah, I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: think it's So is it free? Then if I'm gonna
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: just sit and watch, I have a note here that
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: you can you can follow the hashtag real Connections on
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: social media to see some of the connections being made
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: and some of the people involving themselves on the scene app.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to just watch and pay for
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: the app. So is it free? It is free? It
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: is free, Yes, it is free, but there is an
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: option um to go to pay for the advanced version
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: of the app, which has a lot of different perks
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: to go along with that. I am am a true
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: fan of this. If I was single, I could see
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: myself using this app. It seems like once again scary,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: It seems super vulnerable. It probably is both. But I think,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: as kindall You've said many times when I've been around you,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: it's when you Okay, you're gonna have to fix this
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: for me, but you step out of your comfort zone
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: is when life truly begins. Yes, life begins at the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: edge of your comfort zone. And well, I feel like
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like being a part of the bachelor world.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: We are no strangers to living beyond our comfort zone,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: maybe sometimes far on our comfort zone, and sometimes that's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: the best place for growth. So I think that this
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: is something that I love. UM that is reaching to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: a lot more people that are able to have the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: experience of pushing themselves and doing something that does feel
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit scary. Who doesn't want a date and
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: date people with nothing to hide? Yeah, come on, it's awesome.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Before we let you go. I know our listeners big
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: seems great. We should definitely use it, and they will be.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: But then they also be like, what is going on
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: with Joe and Kindle right now? How is life? Life
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: is great? Life is great. We're going to be going
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: to Japan in a few days, two days, which has
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: been a dream of ours for such a long time,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: ever since we met. We wanted to go, so um,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: we're just excited to travel and to um. I mean,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: of course, we're living together in West Hollywood, so yeah,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: my podcast down to date that I've been doing as well,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: So we're creating a fun little life together. So we
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: want to adopt a dog in December. This is something
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: that I've been anticipating for quite a long time. We're
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: going to Chicago for Thanksgiving. There's a lot of things.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: You're adopting a dog, This is a big deal where
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: we're we're adopting a dog when we get back from
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: Japan and a dog that does not chat. Okay, Well,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Joe and I have had experience, UM have had experienced
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: fostering dogs, and so I've had to like nurse puppies
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: back to health and do all of that. So I
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: know the hard part of um owning a dog and
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: potty training and all that. So I'm excited to actually
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: have a dog that's a permanent part of our family
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: and that doesn't break my heart whenever they have to leave.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: So I, uh, this is always this question is never
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: framed correctly. But your lives will never be fully what
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: they were before. It's just not possible. Your life can
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: has continue to move on, and there's been new experiences
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: and new successes and new things. So the question then
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: is has life at this point started to feel like
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: a new normal? Have you started to feel uh content
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: and you like, are you understanding what your relationship looks
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: like outside of the pressures of the fame? Yeah? Absolutely,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I think when we've got off the show. You know,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: obviously it's it's a little difficult at the beginning, but
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: for the most part, I think we've done a pretty
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: good job of really not paying attention to any of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: anybody's outside opinions and any of the noise and just
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: really we have clicked kind of from the beginning. And
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: it's honestly, it's really just been easy and it's been surprising.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna complain. Like our lives are good,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Like we live really like a really nice life, and
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