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KOHBERGER "STRESSED," INMATES NONSTOP HARRASS THRU AIR VENTS, FED TO SEEK DEATH PENALTY? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Brian Coburger stressed behind bars, Really inmates constantly harassing Coburger
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Speaker 2: through the air vnce boohoo, as we learn who Coburger
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Speaker 2: and his fleet of attorneys planned to blame.
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Speaker 1: For the murders. At trial, This.
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Speaker 2: As we learned the FEDS could seek the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: Even now, I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Chilling crime scene photos released in the Brian Coberger case,
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Speaker 3: detailing the tragic murders of the four University of Idaho
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Speaker 3: students killed in the attack.
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Speaker 2: The irony that now we are learning about the true
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Speaker 2: brutality of these four murders after the deal is done.
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Speaker 2: This as we are learning Brian Coburger is stressed behind bars,
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Speaker 2: inmates constantly harassing.
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Speaker 1: Him through the air vents and more.
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Speaker 2: But before I get to those facts, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: go straight out to renown psycho analyst doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 2: joining us out.
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Speaker 1: Of Beverly Hills, author of deal Breaker.
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Speaker 2: You can see her now on Peacock and you can
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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 2: I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the shrink. This is
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Speaker 2: completely mass awkwards. He's stressed behind bars, and he's whining
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Speaker 2: because inmates are whispering.
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Speaker 1: To him and yelling at him through the air vents.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not exactly sure what a narcissist is
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Speaker 2: when the whole world revolves.
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Speaker 1: Around me, me me, me, me me, me, me me me,
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Speaker 1: but I think that would be him.
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Speaker 4: Associate path is a narcissist on steroids. It is the
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Speaker 4: same disorder, Nancy. It's a spectrum disorder like narcissist lack empathy.
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Speaker 4: Sociopaths have no feeling for other human beings or even
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Speaker 4: for themselves, Nancy. So this whole idea that he's stressed
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Speaker 4: behind bars could mean only one of two things. One
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Speaker 4: is that he's just manipulating the judge. That's it, because
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Speaker 4: I don't think he feels much at all. The other
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Speaker 4: is that maybe he's getting some kind of pleasure from
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Speaker 4: all the attention he's getting and he just wants to
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Speaker 4: talk about the Other is that he probably has not
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Speaker 4: received any consequences for his actions thus far in lives,
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Speaker 4: so the fact that he's actually having consequences is surprising.
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Speaker 4: To him, and so he has to talk about it.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm learning so much as all pouring out
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Speaker 2: now that the deal is done, I'll tell you is
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Speaker 2: probably stressed, which I'm going to get to and just
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Speaker 2: to mow was Susan hendrickson Dave's Mac the people that
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Speaker 2: Brian Kiberger was planning to blame at trial forget about
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Speaker 2: him being not guilty.
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Speaker 1: According to him, of course, which is a lie.
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Speaker 2: But he was actually going to compound by blaming somebody
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Speaker 2: else for the murders, knowing full well he's guilty.
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Speaker 1: And I don't mean just some.
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Speaker 2: Hey there was another burglary down the street the week before. No,
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Speaker 2: he was actually going to blame a specific friend of
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Speaker 2: the victims, and that friend of the victims would have
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Speaker 2: those allegations hanging over his head the rest of his life,
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Speaker 2: even though Coberger knew he was guilty. That takes a
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Speaker 2: certain mindset. You're not just claiming I'm guilty. Don't see
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Speaker 2: me to the death penalty, You're.
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Speaker 1: Actually blaming another person.
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Speaker 2: And Philip Dbay without going to deathcom four in the
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Speaker 2: law Guy's Doby, veteran trial lawyer joining us out of
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Speaker 2: the LA jurisdiction debate. For a defendant to blame a
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Speaker 2: third person is the sod some other dude did it.
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Speaker 2: You can't just say, hey, crime statistics are up in
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Speaker 2: this neighborhood with burglary, so is one of them. To
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Speaker 2: bring in some other dude did it. You have to
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Speaker 2: have an actual dude. You have to have It can't
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Speaker 2: be an amorphous maybe this person did it. Maybe you
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Speaker 2: have to have somebody you're going to blame under the law,
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Speaker 2: that's the law in every jurisdiction. So Coburger's defense had
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Speaker 2: actually picked out somebody to blame.
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Speaker 5: It's not enough.
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Speaker 6: You have to show more than a means motive, an opportunity.
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Speaker 6: You have to show that there is corroborating evidence linking
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Speaker 6: that alternate perpetrator if you go to the crime itself,
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Speaker 6: and that's why you have the judges steps in and says, look,
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Speaker 6: if you can't link the two, then you're really asking
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Speaker 6: a jury to find unreasonable doubt.
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Speaker 7: As to who the real perpetrator is. And the judge
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Speaker 7: will step in and show you.
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Speaker 2: What I'm taking that to Maine that you're trying to say, yes,
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Speaker 2: the defendant must point to a specific person, and in
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Speaker 2: this case, the defense had created a lot of links
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Speaker 2: between that person and the victims, knowing full well and
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Speaker 2: ultimately pleading guilty to the murders.
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Speaker 1: I mean doctor Bethany Marshall. Back to me me me me, me,
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Speaker 1: me me me.
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Speaker 2: Brian Coberger, who is stressed behind bars, he actually had
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Speaker 2: escapegoat that he was willing to take down for that
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Speaker 2: person forever.
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Speaker 1: To have that dark cloud over them.
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Speaker 2: Hey, maybe he did it for the rest of his life,
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Speaker 2: for the rest of his family's lives, so Coburger could
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Speaker 2: walk free. That's a whole another layer of evil right there.
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Speaker 2: Not just I didn't do it, believe me, jurie, but
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Speaker 2: he did it.
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Speaker 1: Blame him. That's pretty bold, wouldn't.
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Speaker 4: You start ancb Oh, yeah, Nancy, you referenced narcissism early.
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Speaker 4: You know, the primary feature again is lack of empathy
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Speaker 4: towards others. The second feature of malignant narcissism is destructiveness.
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Speaker 4: People who are malignant narcissists want to take everybody down
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Speaker 4: around them. The destruction could be committing homicide, or for
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Speaker 4: anybody who's married to a malignant narcissist, it could be
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Speaker 4: destroying your friends, isolating you from other people. Total lack
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Speaker 4: of remorse over what happens to you. And then when
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Speaker 4: you get associopath on steroids, you have the addition of cruelty,
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Speaker 4: which is not just dragging other people in because you
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Speaker 4: don't care about them, but you enjoy seeing other people's sweat,
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Speaker 4: cry bleed, whatever it is, you get pleasure from that.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter, who
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Speaker 2: exactly was Brian Coberger planning to blame for four vicious murders?
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Speaker 1: This is a whole another layer of evil as just.
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Speaker 2: Now, well after the deal has already done, Sign Silvan
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Speaker 2: delivered on that guilty plea to escape the death penalty.
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Speaker 2: Now we're learning about the brutal nature of the crimes,
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Speaker 2: more and more details of him lying in wait, walking
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Speaker 2: around the murder scene, even finding and tracing his trail
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Speaker 2: footsteps in the snow Coburger left behind.
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Speaker 1: But we're learning his defense.
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Speaker 2: His defense was to blame an innocent person, Dave mac
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Speaker 2: who did Coburger planned to blame.
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Speaker 3: Of the four people he planned to blame, one of
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Speaker 3: them was Kayleiganzovez's ex boyfriend known as j D, who
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Speaker 3: she shared the dog Murphy with. They actually had that
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Speaker 3: as their first child, and that's who he planned to
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Speaker 3: put all of this on.
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Speaker 2: Dave mac did I hear you say that there were
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Speaker 2: four people he planned to blame.
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Speaker 3: He did, and Nancy. Three of the four, by the way,
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Speaker 3: we don't have the names of any of them, but
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Speaker 3: three of the four had an acquaintance or some type
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Speaker 3: of social or other media involvement with one of the roommates.
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Speaker 3: But it came out that Kaylee Gonzavez had an ex
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Speaker 3: boyfriend who she actually tried to contact that morning. If
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Speaker 3: you remember, there were several phone calls that Kaylee and
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Speaker 3: Matty made to the ex boyfriend and it was, you know,
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Speaker 3: talking of they had a good relationship. Even though they
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Speaker 3: were broken up. Their families actually fully expected them to
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Speaker 3: get back together. They were just going through a down face.
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Speaker 3: But they did share the dog, Murphy, that was a
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Speaker 3: mutually owned pet, and that's what they were communicating about.
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Speaker 3: So coburger plan, his offense team was to roll this
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Speaker 3: ex boyfriend under the bus and blame him for everything.
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Speaker 2: Guys, earlier, you heard Dubey and he was correct where
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Speaker 2: the defense creates links between the phantom perpetrator and the
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Speaker 2: crime and in this case and correct me if I'm wrong,
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Speaker 2: Susan Hendrix joining us and Dave Mack. There were four
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Speaker 2: individuals Coburger planned to blame for the murders, one the
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Speaker 2: ex boyfriend, and the other. Speaking of those links that
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Speaker 2: Dubay brought up, the judge even noticed that three of
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Speaker 2: the friends lived within walking distance of the King Road scene, right,
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Speaker 2: so it's placing them in the scene. They were friends,
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Speaker 2: and they had likely been in the home, and their
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Speaker 2: fingerprints or their DNA would be in the home. Clearly
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Speaker 2: the ex boyfriend fingerprints or DNA would be in the home.
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Speaker 2: The point is those links between some other dude and
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Speaker 2: the murders could easily be demonstrated by fingerprints in DNA,
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Speaker 2: free living within walking distance, one having had a.
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Speaker 1: Romantic relationship with one of the victims.
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Speaker 2: Those would be the links that Coburger would capitalize upon
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Speaker 2: to blame somebody.
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Speaker 1: And what I'm saying Susan Hendricks with US now.
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Speaker 2: Investigative reporter and author of an incredible book, Down the
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Speaker 2: hiel My descended to the double murder in Delphi. Susan
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Speaker 2: blaming somebody else and naming them by name, to have
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Speaker 2: that forever hanging over their head. That's not why he's
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Speaker 2: stressed behind bars that he was going to stab somebody
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Speaker 2: else in the back. He's stressed behind bars because the
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Speaker 2: inmates are whispering to him through the events, calling him
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Speaker 2: the killer, and he's whining about it.
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Speaker 1: Seriously.
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, it's all about Brian Coworker and it's always has
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Speaker 8: been in Sadly, it doesn't surprise me. The finger pointing, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: I saw it in Delphi with the Odinis theory and
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Speaker 8: names were named. Meanwhile, the judge said, hey, there's no connection,
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Speaker 8: you can't use the third party descent, but he didn't care.
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Speaker 8: And bringing up Ca Lee's X. They were on an
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Speaker 8: off high school sweethearts Jack Declor. They called each other
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Speaker 8: several times that night. Also, Maddie tried to call him
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Speaker 8: and he was cleared by police and he just disappeared
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Speaker 8: because he was being harassed. And the finger pointing. This
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Speaker 8: is before Coburger was arrested. But it doesn't surprise me
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Speaker 8: at all that Coburger only cares about himself and being
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Speaker 8: stretched because of what he's going through, not the lives
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Speaker 8: he destroyed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, don't you know that Brian
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Speaker 2: Coberger and his defense team were just salivating, drooling when
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Speaker 2: they learned the ex boyfriend was scheduled to come in
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Speaker 2: and give fingerprints at the Moscow police station. They're like, hey, jackpot,
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Speaker 2: let's blame him. Regardless of what would do to the
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Speaker 2: ex boyfriend and the three other friends they planned to
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Speaker 2: blame what.
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Speaker 1: It would do to their lives, that meant nothing to them.
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Speaker 4: It was like, oh, happy day for them. It meant
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Speaker 4: absolutely nothing that these kids, and these were college kids,
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Speaker 4: their reputations would be ruined for the rest of their life.
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Speaker 4: But you know what it also shows, Nancy, is the
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Speaker 4: level of most autical planning that Coberger engaged in. His
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Speaker 4: whole life was organized around eventually committing this crime. From
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Speaker 4: being a criminology student to being a security guard, to
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Speaker 4: getting girls numbers at bars, to trying to be more
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Speaker 4: outward and outgoing.
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Speaker 1: Than he really was.
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Speaker 4: He thought about this for years, Nancy, So I wouldn't
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Speaker 4: be surprised if learning who was living on that block
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Speaker 4: and who the girls were dating and the ins and
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Speaker 4: outs of their lives were also a part of the sick,
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Speaker 4: twisted fantasy life that he engaged in. Probably this is
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Speaker 4: so sick. I hate to even say it, but even
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Speaker 4: imagining the sex lives of these girls with their boyfriends
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Speaker 4: and the nature of the interactions, and maybe even in
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Speaker 4: a cruel statistic way, wanting to throw those boys under
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Speaker 4: the bus because they got the girl, not him.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, very often when trying cases, I
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Speaker 2: would ask a witness to repeat something, something that was
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Speaker 2: particularly probative or impactful.
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Speaker 1: I need to hear what you just said.
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Speaker 2: Because we have uncovered a friend of Coburger's has said
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Speaker 2: Coburg incessantly talked about wanting a girlfriend. I think he
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Speaker 2: was an inceel in voluntary celibate. That's neither here nor
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Speaker 2: there at this juncture, but it fits in with what
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Speaker 2: you just said.
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Speaker 1: Okay, very slowly, say.
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Speaker 2: That again, because it just hit me as he was
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Speaker 2: digging up and trying to create who they're going to
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Speaker 2: blame the sexual enjoyment he may have had about thinking
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Speaker 2: of the friend.
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Speaker 1: What were you saying?
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Speaker 4: He wasn't just a satist, Nancy. He was a lawyer
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Speaker 4: and in cells hate women because they can't get them,
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Speaker 4: and he had a long history of not being able
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Speaker 4: to get a girlfriend or to have a satisfactory relationship.
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Speaker 4: So part of the preparation for the crime was a
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Speaker 4: lurid fascination with the sex lives of these girls, and
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Speaker 4: part of that was identifying their boyfriends, men who may
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Speaker 4: have lived on the block, spying on them, being incredibly
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Speaker 4: seeingly envious and jealous of those relationships, wanting to destroy them,
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Speaker 4: and wanting to throw these young men under the bus
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Speaker 4: to get them out of the way as sexual rivals.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Dave Mac joining us. Dave Mac, it went a long way.
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Speaker 1: It went.
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Speaker 2: A good distance as far as defenses go. Trying to
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Speaker 2: frame the other four individuals. Tell me about it.
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Speaker 1: What were they digging up in order to blame the
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Speaker 1: other people?
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Speaker 3: And events claimed that the that three of the four
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Speaker 3: suspects were within walking distance of the King Road house,
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Speaker 3: so they had an opportunity to be right there when
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Speaker 3: they needed to be. So that was one of the
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Speaker 3: big things that they had about these possible alternate suspects.
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Speaker 2: Philip Debay, have you ever had a twin case? And
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Speaker 2: what I mean by that is, when you're a defendant,
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Speaker 2: it's every prosecutor's worst nightmare, and it's every defense attorney's
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Speaker 2: favorite dream when the perp actually has a twin and
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Speaker 2: the DNA is extremely similar. I actually had a murder
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Speaker 2: case where there was a twin.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So the point is they the defendant will do anything
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Speaker 2: to blame somebody else.
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Speaker 1: And in this case, you've got.
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Speaker 2: The texting to the ex boyfriend, you've got the friends
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Speaker 2: down the street. I'm sure they could have dredged up
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Speaker 2: some type of a misunderstanding or disagreement or anything to
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Speaker 2: support those theories.
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Speaker 6: Of course, And by the way, I have had that
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Speaker 6: not often, I believe twice in my career. One was
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Speaker 6: a sex trafficking murder where they found a prostitute dumped
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Speaker 6: in a hefty bag off the freeway here in southern California,
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Speaker 6: and fortunately legally, the defendant had an identical twin. They
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Speaker 6: filed nonetheless because they had ample evidence putting him in
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Speaker 6: his car at the scene where the body was done. Now,
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Speaker 6: having said that, even if you want to blame it
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Speaker 6: identical twin, there has to be more than just the
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Speaker 6: motive means an opportunity in matching DNA. There has to
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Speaker 6: be something that links that twin to the crime, not
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Speaker 6: necessarily socially or interactively with the victim or victims.
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Speaker 7: They have to be linked.
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Speaker 2: Can I just save your breath we got a lot
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Speaker 2: to get into the program tonight. They had that link
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Speaker 2: because said fingerprints DNA of all four of the potential
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Speaker 2: suspects at the crime scene, because they had been in
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Speaker 2: probably more than they had of Coburger. Of course, their
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Speaker 2: DNA wasn't on the knife hilt. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 2: Chagual State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 2: Amazon at start of a Hit News series Body Bags
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Speaker 2: with Joseph Scott Morgan. We are also now learning about
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Speaker 2: the horrific brutality of these crimes. But my point to
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Speaker 2: you for right now anyway, Joe Scott, is that none
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Speaker 2: of those four individuals DNA or fingerprints were anywhere connected
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Speaker 2: to the crime, not on the victims' bodies, not in
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Speaker 2: a bloody fingerprint, not on the murder weapon sheath.
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Speaker 1: So you know what technical legal term, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you've ever.
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Speaker 2: Heard this, Coburger was screwed because his DNA was on
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Speaker 2: the knife sheath and not just the sheath on where he.
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Speaker 1: Had pressed in the snap.
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Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, it's a major problem for them. But
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Speaker 9: here like that. Let me give you this and this
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Speaker 9: is so disgusting to me on the part of the defense. Okay,
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Speaker 9: so you've got access, you being the defense, to all
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Speaker 9: of this imagery. You see everything inside of that house.
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Speaker 9: You know how brutal this event was. I'm not going
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Speaker 9: to say event massacre was inside of that thank you.
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Speaker 2: I was aboud to my head was blowing off when
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Speaker 2: you called it an event, like it's a church social
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Speaker 2: or a bridal shower, It's not an event. It's a
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Speaker 2: quadruple murder. Where Ethan's arterial blood squirted.
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Speaker 1: Up on the ceiling. And now I'm learning Joe.
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Speaker 2: Scott he was half hanging off the bed, half hanging
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Speaker 2: off Xana's bed where his had been slashed.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, right, you are, and it was the environment was
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Speaker 9: just super saturated with blood. The defense was aware of this.
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Speaker 9: So you're telling me going down this road as long
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Speaker 9: as they've gone. Remember it was just a few days
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Speaker 9: before they reached this deal that they were still, you know,
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Speaker 9: kind of putting this out there that there was somebody
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Speaker 9: else involved. Why is it that you care so little
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Speaker 9: about the community around this location that's never experienced anything
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Speaker 9: like this, that you're not climbing up onto the roof
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Speaker 9: of every house there, screaming it that there is still
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Speaker 9: a murderer out there. We have their name, we have
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Speaker 9: the information. No, you're allowing the people in this area
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Speaker 9: to walk around in fear. And that's what's so obscene
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Speaker 9: about this, Nancy, that they go down this road and
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Speaker 9: they believe that there is somebody out there that has
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Speaker 9: the ability to commit this level of violence. But yet
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Speaker 9: they're not going to interdict it, not going to help
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Speaker 9: the community at all. They just let this person roam loose.
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Speaker 9: So if you've got that information, let it go. I
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Speaker 9: don't care about the fantasy world of courtroom right here.
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Speaker 9: I'm talking about the real environment at the scene, and
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Speaker 9: there's a major disconnect here. I don't know where their
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Speaker 9: moral compass is because I got to tell you, the
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Speaker 9: needle's broken on it.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, unrecognizable because of the stabs to per face, so.
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Speaker 9: Many stab wounds, so many stab wounds.
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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
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Speaker 9: He brutalized each and every one of them.
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Speaker 2: Only now is the brutality of these crimes leaking. We're
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Speaker 2: now finding out how horrific the crime scene really was.
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Speaker 2: After being told at the get go. They were killed
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Speaker 2: in their sleep. They probably didn't even know what hit them.
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Speaker 2: B s Now will the FEDS seek the death penalty
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Speaker 2: on Brian Coburger?
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 10: Over objection from the victims' families, the Moscow Police Department
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Speaker 10: releases hundreds of crime scene photos and videos related to
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Speaker 10: the investigation. One of the shocking photos is blurred as
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Speaker 10: it is a picture of a bed where one victim
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Speaker 10: was murdered.
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Speaker 1: We have all.
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Speaker 2: Heard of double jeopardy, which means, for instance, Orenthal James
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Speaker 2: Simpson OJ Simpson was acquitted of double murder even if
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Speaker 2: he later confessed, such as in his video and book,
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Speaker 2: if I did it, please stop, still couldn't retry him
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Speaker 2: at the state level. However, FEDS have a death penalty.
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Speaker 1: It is not.
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Speaker 2: Considered double jeopardy because the FEDS are considered a different jurisdiction,
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Speaker 2: so to speak, a different sovereign, as opposed to the
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Speaker 2: state system where he took the week plea example, Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 2: The FEDS swooped in and are prosecuting him on what
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Speaker 2: could have been state charges.
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Speaker 1: We all remember the Rodney King case.
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Speaker 2: And more so straight out to Philip Dubay, joining US debate.
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Speaker 2: It is entirely possible for the FEDS to seek the
22:27
Speaker 2: death penalty in this case for many reasons, including crossing
22:31
Speaker 2: state lines from Pullman to Moscow. But explain in a nutshell,
22:37
Speaker 2: this is not a law review article. Just explain in
22:41
Speaker 2: a nutshell how this could happen.
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Speaker 6: And obviously Coldberger's doctoral curriculum did not include federal jurisdiction.
22:49
Speaker 7: The bottom line is this that the FEDS have authority.
22:53
Speaker 6: To prosecute any murder where a defendant uses interstate travel
22:59
Speaker 6: or inner state communications lines because there is a federal
23:04
Speaker 6: interest to capture, apprehend, and prosecute anybody that does that.
23:10
Speaker 7: And as soon as he.
23:11
Speaker 6: Got in the car and went from Moscow or from
23:14
Speaker 6: Pullman to Moscow and return then to Pullman, he immediately
23:18
Speaker 6: triggered federal jurisdiction. And there are other situations as well,
23:23
Speaker 6: you know, like for example, maritime admiralty, you know that
23:26
Speaker 6: kind of stuff. But he is absolutely at risk now.
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Speaker 6: As a practical matter, I sincerely doubt that they will
23:33
Speaker 6: go after him, and if they did, they could seek
23:37
Speaker 6: death and the method of execution would be from the
23:39
Speaker 6: law of the state. And in this case, because Idaho
23:43
Speaker 6: has the firing squad. He would be subjected to that
23:46
Speaker 6: if the FEDS went after him, But because he pled
23:50
Speaker 6: it pretty much closed the case out. But had he
23:52
Speaker 6: have gone to trial, and let's say he would have
23:56
Speaker 6: been acquitted, the FEDS would have swooped in and gone
23:59
Speaker 6: after him, or let's say he would have been convicted
24:02
Speaker 6: and the cases on appeal, and the Fed's had some
24:06
Speaker 6: concern that maybe it could get reversed, maybe because of
24:10
Speaker 6: his autism spectrum disorder.
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Speaker 7: They would then come after him federally, but those.
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Speaker 11: Would be wait wait, wait, wait, whoa whoa hold on
24:19
Speaker 11: before you continue, doctor Bethany Marshall, can we stop with
24:24
Speaker 11: the spectrum because that was never in all the.
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Speaker 2: Years of him being tested and getting his pH d,
24:35
Speaker 2: for Pete's sake, never was autism brought up until his
24:39
Speaker 2: defense team brought it up after he committed quadruple murder.
24:43
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear any more about all.
24:45
Speaker 2: Of his mental defects, his emotional problems, or the spectrum.
24:50
Speaker 1: All of that has never been proved.
24:51
Speaker 2: Those are just arguments made up by the defense, just
24:55
Speaker 2: like the argument that the ex boyfriend and three friends
24:57
Speaker 2: committed the murders.
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Speaker 1: Those are lies.
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Speaker 4: Hey, look, has he been on medication for autism spectrum disorder?
25:04
Speaker 4: I haven't heard anything about that. And also, is there
25:07
Speaker 4: any medical record he went through a PhD program. I
25:11
Speaker 4: think this is an insult to people who are neuro diverse.
25:14
Speaker 4: It's linking a mental condition with being homicidal, and the
25:19
Speaker 4: two have nothing to do with each other.
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Speaker 1: You know, two especial guests joining us.
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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough, who has been to the scene many many times.
25:27
Speaker 2: He is the star of the interview room on YouTube,
25:31
Speaker 2: former homicide detective with over three hundred homicide investigations under
25:36
Speaker 2: his belt.
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Speaker 1: You know, Chris McDonough.
25:38
Speaker 2: At this juncture, with so many people, including some of
25:42
Speaker 2: the victims' families, revolting against this guilty plea, why wouldn't
25:49
Speaker 2: the FEDS seek justice?
25:52
Speaker 5: You know that. I think it's still on the table
25:55
Speaker 5: that they could, because there is a great push from
25:59
Speaker 5: the family, specifically Kayley's family, that launts this justice in
26:04
Speaker 5: terms of the death penalty. So if he does, like uh,
26:09
Speaker 5: you know, Councilor said here a bit ago, if in fact,
26:13
Speaker 5: he starts pushing an appeal, I could see the FEDS going, hey,
26:17
Speaker 5: wait a minute, this could get out of control. Really
26:20
Speaker 5: fast and step in.
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Speaker 2: Could a legal loophole bring Brian Koberger to the federal
26:28
Speaker 2: death penalty despite his weak plea deal? Yes, a legal
26:33
Speaker 2: loophole could see Coburger face the death penalty despite the
26:38
Speaker 2: plea deal. Why he crossed state lines that puts him
26:43
Speaker 2: in the cross hears of federal charges? But will it happen?
26:49
Speaker 2: Straight out to Susan Hendricks joining US investigative reporter, what
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Speaker 2: if anything do you know about the.
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Speaker 1: Possibility the fast could still swoop in?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, he said, there is a possibility that I know
27:03
Speaker 8: who's hoping for that. That's Kaylee's father. Because as we're
27:07
Speaker 8: getting more information, it's being uncovered that he said, Look,
27:11
Speaker 8: this investigation was boss in terms of the prosecution what
27:15
Speaker 8: the families wanted. He even went on to say that
27:18
Speaker 8: he believed they were separating the families and hitting them
27:22
Speaker 8: against each other so they wouldn't bond together and say no,
27:25
Speaker 8: we want to go to trial, we want the death penalty.
27:28
Speaker 8: And he believes the prosecution wanted this gone. And now
27:31
Speaker 8: we said he's offended because the prosecutors on a media tour, you.
27:35
Speaker 2: Know, exacerbating everything is that we are learning during the
27:40
Speaker 2: sentencing that Kelley Gonsolvas's mother gets a death threat.
27:47
Speaker 12: Listen during Coberger sentencing, someone claiming to be inside the
27:52
Speaker 12: courtroom was terrorizing the mother of Kaylee Goansolves, Christy Goinsolvus,
27:57
Speaker 12: received an anonymous death threat on her phone during this sentencing.
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Speaker 12: Hearing The text reads, sitting near you in court and watching.
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Speaker 1: You is a joke.
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Speaker 12: You know that Brian is innocent, but that isn't all.
28:08
Speaker 12: The message continues, I am in contact with a lot
28:11
Speaker 12: of serial killers, including BTK, and I've been in contact
28:15
Speaker 12: with the wanna be serial killer who is in Moscow, Idaho,
28:18
Speaker 12: and I have given him your address. Kayleie's dad, Steve says,
28:22
Speaker 12: authorities are investigating the messages.
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Speaker 13: And then let me ask you, did you on November thirteenth,
28:29
Speaker 13: twenty twenty two enter the residents at one one two
28:34
Speaker 13: two King Road in Moscow, Idaho with the intend to commit.
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Speaker 3: The develony crime.
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Speaker 13: And I don't know notation in emergency no way.
28:48
Speaker 2: Can you imagine every after everything that Gonsalves family has
28:51
Speaker 2: lived through and are still living through along with the
28:55
Speaker 2: other victims families that missus Gonsolves actually gets a death
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Speaker 2: threat as she is sitting in the sentencing hearing to you,
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Speaker 2: Susan Hendrick's investigative reporter, therefore the sentencing exactly what happened.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely there was a threat sent to Kelly's mother
29:15
Speaker 8: during this. I was inside of that courtroom and we
29:18
Speaker 8: didn't know it at the time, But now it's starting
29:20
Speaker 8: to make sense. Why Speed stood behind his wife during
29:24
Speaker 8: her victim impact statement. I think to say, hey, I'm
29:28
Speaker 8: propepting my wife. Imagine the worst day you could ever
29:33
Speaker 8: imagine in your life, facing the monster that did this
29:36
Speaker 8: to your daughter and someone inside is threatening you. But
29:40
Speaker 8: the woman next to me, the public was allowed in.
29:42
Speaker 8: They had to wait in line, as did I hours before,
29:45
Speaker 8: the night before. She believed that he was not guilty.
29:49
Speaker 8: The Frank Coberger was not guilty. And so I'm thinking,
29:52
Speaker 8: now was it her who wrote that? Who wrote it?
29:55
Speaker 8: I'm thinking who was in that courtroom and who had
29:58
Speaker 8: the audacity the nerve to send that to Kaylee's mother.
30:02
Speaker 2: Shit, of all people, Dodger Bethany Marshall, to send that
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Speaker 2: to a victim's.
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Speaker 1: Mother in the middle of sentencing. What who are these people?
30:13
Speaker 4: Nancy there want to be sociopathic killers? I mean, it
30:17
Speaker 4: is not surprising to me at all that a court
30:21
Speaker 4: trial like this would draw other little mini Coburgers who
30:27
Speaker 4: are admiring him, who are living salaciously off of the
30:32
Speaker 4: details of the crime, want to hear every little minute
30:37
Speaker 4: of it and even put their toe over the line
30:40
Speaker 4: by making a death threat themselves. So this does not
30:44
Speaker 4: surprise me at all, And in fact, I think in
30:46
Speaker 4: court cases like this, people should be more carefully screened
30:50
Speaker 4: to see what their background is, what their interest is,
30:52
Speaker 4: because a lot of them are what we call a
30:55
Speaker 4: fender identified.
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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, doctor Bethany, This is at the
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Speaker 2: sentencing where he has already pled guilty and he's being sentenced,
31:06
Speaker 2: yet people are still deluded and insisting that he is
31:13
Speaker 2: innocent and going so far is to make a death
31:15
Speaker 2: threat on the mom. I mean, exactly what was the threat,
31:21
Speaker 2: Susan Hendrix? What did the threat say to missus gonsolves the.
31:25
Speaker 8: Threat of something to the effect that they know that
31:30
Speaker 8: Coberger is innocent and threatening harm against the family. I mean,
31:34
Speaker 8: the lowest of the low, but I've seen it in
31:37
Speaker 8: other cases as well. I go back to Delphi. I mean,
31:40
Speaker 8: people are sick even when he's played guilty. He said
31:43
Speaker 8: he's guilty, and they're saying no, not so.
31:46
Speaker 2: It says, I'm sitting near you in court and watching
31:50
Speaker 2: you is a joke. That's what they're saying to Kill's mom.
31:55
Speaker 2: You know, Brian is innocent. That's not all the Messa
32:00
Speaker 2: has said. It says, quote, I am in contact with
32:03
Speaker 2: a lot of serial killers, including BTK buying torture, killed
32:06
Speaker 2: Dennis Raider, and I've been put in contact with a
32:10
Speaker 2: want to be serial killer who is in Moscow, and
32:13
Speaker 2: I've given him your address.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that threat should be taken seriously.
32:18
Speaker 2: That is an overt threat. And what I don't get
32:23
Speaker 2: to you, Chris mcdonnaugh. The same people that are responsible
32:30
Speaker 2: for this week plea deal are investigating that threat. How
32:35
Speaker 2: hard can it be to find out who sent a text?
32:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, this is one sick puppy, whoever this
32:40
Speaker 5: individual is, and it is not very hard at all
32:45
Speaker 5: to track that number down. A lot of people believe
32:48
Speaker 5: that once you get a burner phone, that there's no
32:50
Speaker 5: way of getting you know, a connection back to who
32:53
Speaker 5: may have that in their position, But in fact there is,
32:57
Speaker 5: and it's a system called hooster w asteer, and they
33:02
Speaker 5: will find you.
33:03
Speaker 2: This as now we're learning about the true brutality of
33:10
Speaker 2: these crimes. Why was that not released sooner? Because there
33:15
Speaker 2: would have been a riot at the courthouse as a
33:19
Speaker 2: result of these Please listen.
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Speaker 10: Many of the photos released are so gruesome they are
33:24
Speaker 10: heavily blurred. In surveillance video from a neighboring house, time
33:28
Speaker 10: is documented that appears to show Coberger driving around the
33:31
Speaker 10: neighborhood for fifteen minutes before stopping. The video documents what
33:35
Speaker 10: seems to be noise coming from eleven twenty two King
33:38
Speaker 10: Road at four seventeen and forty seconds what sounds like
33:42
Speaker 10: a thud, followed by a person crying, then a dog
33:45
Speaker 10: begins barking.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, you just heard about video
34:01
Speaker 2: that is now just being released. The video is accompanied
34:07
Speaker 2: with audio, and it is actually painful to listen to
34:12
Speaker 2: because you hear what sounds like a thud, which is
34:16
Speaker 2: clearly one of the four victims falling to the ground.
34:20
Speaker 2: Some enhanced versions, you hear a whimper, and then you
34:24
Speaker 2: hear the dog Murphy began barking violently. I wonder what
34:30
Speaker 2: Coburger's reaction would be hearing this. Listen, you know, Joe
34:59
Speaker 2: Scott more and just hearing that. I'm only going to
35:04
Speaker 2: play it once. I don't want to hear it over
35:06
Speaker 2: and over and over. It's the sound of one of
35:11
Speaker 2: the victims getting stabbed and falling to the ground.
35:14
Speaker 1: I don't know what's victim.
35:17
Speaker 2: One of the victims, one of the female victims stabbed
35:21
Speaker 2: twenty thirty times in the face.
35:23
Speaker 1: Was it her? And you hear the dog going berserk.
35:28
Speaker 2: It's just to put yourself at that moment knowing that's
35:33
Speaker 2: what's happening, right then, it's excruciating to me.
35:38
Speaker 9: Yes it is, Yeah, it is Nancy. And you know,
35:41
Speaker 9: there's been these little bits of information that have come
35:44
Speaker 9: out that when you take them all in context, it
35:47
Speaker 9: just it's like a gut punch for me when I
35:51
Speaker 9: first watched the surveillance video, that raw video, there's not
35:56
Speaker 9: much that makes me uncomfortable any longer at this point
35:59
Speaker 9: in my life. This did, because when you get to
36:02
Speaker 9: that mark on this recording where you know that this
36:05
Speaker 9: is going down, it's quite chilling. But Nancy kind of
36:09
Speaker 9: a redirect on me. I got to tell you something.
36:12
Speaker 9: Those images from inside of the house, and this is
36:15
Speaker 9: coupled with this video. Nancy, when you look at Kayley's room.
36:20
Speaker 9: There's a shot of the floor in there, and if
36:22
Speaker 9: you look very carefully look straight down, see those droplets
36:26
Speaker 9: of blood right there. Do you know what that means?
36:29
Speaker 9: Those are passive blood droplets. He was standing there with
36:34
Speaker 9: the knife in his hand, not moving. For each one
36:37
Speaker 9: of those droplets that you see, that's a passive drop
36:41
Speaker 9: that comes off of the tip of that blade or
36:43
Speaker 9: off of his clothing and just drips. Think about how
36:47
Speaker 9: long he lingered there and just kind of observing what
36:51
Speaker 9: he had done, thinking about it. Where do I go next?
36:54
Speaker 9: What do I do? And yet I haven't seen obviously
36:58
Speaker 9: the horrific images of but just that alone, coupled with
37:03
Speaker 9: a Tom stamp on that video, that's rolling, you know,
37:07
Speaker 9: the dynamic in this house. He's in control at that moment, Tom,
37:11
Speaker 9: and he has just butchered these precious kids one by one,
37:15
Speaker 9: and he's contemplating where to go next, what to do next?
37:18
Speaker 2: You know, he says in Hendricks joining US investigative journalist
37:21
Speaker 2: and author, everyone said, why didn't the dog bark? The
37:25
Speaker 2: dog barked his head off.
37:27
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think that barking, as I'm listening to it,
37:32
Speaker 8: may have saved Dylan's life because at that point, I'm
37:35
Speaker 8: thinking he thought, Okay, I got to get out of
37:37
Speaker 8: here at this time. And as we're listening and watching Nancy,
37:41
Speaker 8: what shocked me as well listened to Steve Gonzalves talk
37:46
Speaker 8: about I guess I automatically think they take the families
37:49
Speaker 8: aside and say, Okay, we're going to release this now. No,
37:52
Speaker 8: they're seeing this on the news as we are, And
37:54
Speaker 8: he said, I believe that everyone should have information, but
37:58
Speaker 8: of course not the most gruesome photos of their children.
38:02
Speaker 8: And it's part for the course. I mean, this family's
38:04
Speaker 8: been through hell and they continue to be blindsided by
38:08
Speaker 8: all of this, and they have to go through foy
38:10
Speaker 8: requests in court if they want to block anything from
38:13
Speaker 8: being released. It's just making everything more difficult and horrific
38:17
Speaker 8: for the families.
38:18
Speaker 2: As you just heard investigative reporter Susan Hendrix state, all
38:22
Speaker 2: of these horrific photos, videos, audios are being released without
38:29
Speaker 2: the famili's consent, just like the plea deal was reached
38:34
Speaker 2: without the famili's consent, all done in secret. Why when
38:40
Speaker 2: things are done in secret, that makes me very suspicious about.
38:45
Speaker 1: The motive to justice.
38:46
Speaker 2: Scott Morgan joining US Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author
38:51
Speaker 2: and star of Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Jo Scott,
38:55
Speaker 2: I want to talk about what we are learning regarding
38:59
Speaker 2: the brutal of these crimes. Every time there's another data dump,
39:04
Speaker 2: it just gets worse. And I imagine there's a lot
39:07
Speaker 2: more that hasn't been released yet.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, there has been, and you know, I think that
39:13
Speaker 9: I think that kind of the tranch of images that
39:16
Speaker 9: have been released to this point, maybe less than two hundred.
39:22
Speaker 9: I would suspect in forensics, Nancy, when we're documented seeing
39:26
Speaker 9: and you well know this, there's going to be thousands
39:28
Speaker 9: of these images that have been taken all over the
39:31
Speaker 9: course of this thing. But what we can establish here,
39:36
Speaker 9: I think is a pattern of movement on the part
39:39
Speaker 9: of this perpetrator as they moved through this residence, killing
39:44
Speaker 9: one by one these kids. That's the most striking thing.
39:48
Speaker 9: And look, listen, I know the family doesn't want these
39:51
Speaker 9: photos out there, but I have to give high marks
39:55
Speaker 9: to the police in this bit. They're in control of
39:59
Speaker 9: these images because they have I think, strategically released them,
40:03
Speaker 9: as opposed to these things just coming out on the
40:06
Speaker 9: internet and being dumped all at once, and this is
40:10
Speaker 9: kind of a slow slow burn. I think that we'll
40:12
Speaker 9: probably see more. They're in control of these images. I
40:16
Speaker 9: think there's a lot more information that we would all
40:19
Speaker 9: like to know. But you have to think about the families.
40:21
Speaker 9: At the end of the day, they are the kids
40:24
Speaker 9: are gone, but the families remain, and they are the
40:26
Speaker 9: true victims. Now that the kids are gone, they are
40:29
Speaker 9: the true victims, and they're going to be paying the
40:30
Speaker 9: price for this, for the remainder of their data, and.
40:33
Speaker 2: Now they can think about all the weirdos pouring over
40:36
Speaker 2: the graphic videos and photos of their children.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 10: Shocking crime scene photos taking hours after the massacre shows
40:44
Speaker 10: a horrifying scene. Blood splatter clearly visible on the walls
40:48
Speaker 10: and doors, blood drops and cast off photographed on the
40:52
Speaker 10: hardwood floors, and blood on the victim's betting doctor Bethany.
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Speaker 2: Marshall joining a psychoanalyst. How many times do you think
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Speaker 2: Brian Cooburger poured over these photos?
41:07
Speaker 1: And why?
41:07
Speaker 4: Oh, he poured over them but continuously, as are the
41:13
Speaker 4: want to be Coburgers who are going to court, you know, Nancy,
41:17
Speaker 4: These Coburger want to be is the reason they sent
41:20
Speaker 4: the death threat is that the mighty king has fallen
41:23
Speaker 4: and now they are stepping in to take his place.
41:26
Speaker 4: That's one point. The other point is the indignities that
41:29
Speaker 4: these families are suffering. There's one aspect we haven't talked about,
41:33
Speaker 4: and that is the fact that Ethan's throat was slashed,
41:37
Speaker 4: but the other girls were stabbed multiple times. This tells
41:41
Speaker 4: me that Ethan, that Coberger, wanted to get Ethan, the
41:45
Speaker 4: only male in the house, out of the way. He
41:48
Speaker 4: was just dispensing with him. He didn't get the same
41:51
Speaker 4: sadistic pleasure stabbing him multiple times. He wanted to do
41:54
Speaker 4: that to the girls, just like he's throwing all the
41:58
Speaker 4: rivals the and in the neighborhood under the bus. This
42:02
Speaker 4: is one sick man. Nancy. His pull like his guiding
42:07
Speaker 4: principle in cel as you said earlier, like principle get
42:12
Speaker 4: the other men out of the way so I can
42:14
Speaker 4: have access to the women who are rejecting me, and
42:17
Speaker 4: now I hate them. I'm going behind bars. I am
42:21
Speaker 4: going to whine, I'm going to beg I'm going to complain.
42:24
Speaker 4: But all my little minions are coming into court. They're
42:27
Speaker 4: stepping in after me because Nancy there are a lot
42:30
Speaker 4: of other Coburgers behind him. And that's what worries me
42:34
Speaker 4: about these crime scene photos. Not only is it disturbing
42:38
Speaker 4: and retraumatizing to the families, it's stimulating to other perpetrators.
42:43
Speaker 4: They have a lot of material in their hands now
42:46
Speaker 4: to incite them to commit similar crimes.
42:49
Speaker 1: Hey, what you just.
42:50
Speaker 2: Said is very disturbing in that to you, Chris McDonough,
42:56
Speaker 2: we saw a coburger pouring over prior serial killers.
43:02
Speaker 1: He was especially obsessed.
43:04
Speaker 2: With Bundy and I think bt K his life works
43:10
Speaker 2: was studying what they did.
43:12
Speaker 1: And how they got caught.
43:14
Speaker 2: And now, don't you know, serial killer wannabes all over
43:17
Speaker 2: the world are saying, note to self, don't leave knife
43:22
Speaker 2: sheath behind. And what they learned from him about disposing
43:27
Speaker 2: of the weapon, stalking the victims ahead of time, pre
43:31
Speaker 2: planning and pre planning and pre planning, and only now
43:36
Speaker 2: we're learning about the brutality of the murders. Just the
43:41
Speaker 2: fact that what doctor Bethany just said, this is giving
43:45
Speaker 2: a primer how to to other serial killer wannabes.
43:51
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy, And isn't that disturbing in of itself?
43:55
Speaker 5: And let's not also forget that he has access to
44:00
Speaker 5: all of those digital photographs of that crime steam because
44:05
Speaker 5: the defense and the defendant get access to all of
44:09
Speaker 5: that information. So if he's even thinking about an appeal,
44:12
Speaker 5: let's think about this for a moment. He gets to
44:15
Speaker 5: take that to the Department of Corrections and have that
44:18
Speaker 5: in his cell as legal documents. And that's disturbing in
44:23
Speaker 5: of itself because he's reliving those very night and that
44:28
Speaker 5: very crime while incarcerated. That's disturbing in of itself. Like
44:33
Speaker 5: Doc Morgan was talking on that photograph right there, he
44:37
Speaker 5: stood there and that knife from that blood groove on
44:42
Speaker 5: that knife, that drop is a ninety degree what we
44:45
Speaker 5: call ninety degree blood spatter. If you look at the
44:48
Speaker 5: other photograph, that is our curial spray where Ethan's throat
44:53
Speaker 5: was cut and every heartbeat created that pattern of blood
44:58
Speaker 5: on the wall.
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Speaker 2: Dobey, defense attorney. Why should Coburger get to keep these
45:04
Speaker 2: crime scene photos and pour over them and delight in
45:08
Speaker 2: them even sexually behind mars?
45:10
Speaker 1: Why should he get that.
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Speaker 6: When the case is over, they're allowed to have it.
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Speaker 6: And the reason why is it's their file. A councilor
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Speaker 6: does not own the file where the mere custodian of it,
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Speaker 6: the guardian of it while their case is pending.
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Speaker 7: But afterwards it is theirs to have.
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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, that is the law, and in fact, if you
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Speaker 6: don't give it to them, the attorney can be in
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Speaker 6: trouble with the state bar.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, this is so wrong that these photos,
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Speaker 2: graphic photos of the victims are being released without the families. Okay,
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Speaker 2: and Coburger gets the photos. Can you imagine what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: With the photos. And they're much worse than what we're
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Speaker 1: showing right now.
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Speaker 2: Their photos are all the dead bodies lying prone.
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Speaker 1: It's much worse than what we're showing on air nancies.
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Speaker 4: These photos are like a serial killer's pornography. Let's think
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Speaker 4: about the MO of these types of crimes. It is
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Speaker 4: to inflict maximum cruelty in order to achieve sexual pleasure.
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Speaker 4: That is the MO. Sadism is a perversion. People need
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Speaker 4: to know that it is a perversion. Voyeurism looking through
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Speaker 4: the windows, that is a perversion. So now this perverse, sadistic,
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Speaker 4: want to be serial killer has the crime scene photos.
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Speaker 4: What is he going to do? He's going to sit
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Speaker 4: in jail and masturbate all day long, and we've talked
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Speaker 4: about the families, the indignities inflicted upon them. They know this.
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Speaker 4: They're not stupid. They're listening to the news. They've studied psychopaths.
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Speaker 4: They know what's happening with their children's photos, crime scene photos.
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Speaker 4: They have to live with this for the rest of
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Speaker 4: their lives.
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Speaker 2: Noyle, tell me exactly what's going on one of our
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Speaker 2: one of the roommates who's passed out and she's drung
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Speaker 2: class and shall not wake me up?
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 1: Oh, and they saw some man in their house house night.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, his man.
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Speaker 4: Are you in the patient?
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Speaker 5: Okay?
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Speaker 4: I need someone to keep the phone, stop passing it around.
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Speaker 8: Can I just tell you what happened pretty much?
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Speaker 4: What is going on currently? If someone passed out right.
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Speaker 8: Now, I don't really know what pretty much thorim Okay.
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Speaker 4: So I need to know what's going on right now?
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Speaker 11: If someone has passed out, can you find that out now?
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Speaker 4: I'll come come on with musical check.
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Speaker 12: We have to.
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Speaker 2: Will the fads intervene and see the federal death penalty?
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Speaker 2: Will Coberger continue to wind me, me, me, me me,
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Speaker 2: because the other inmates are harassing him behind bars through
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Speaker 2: the air vents. What more will we learn about the
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Speaker 2: night these four students were brutally murdered, not in their sleep.
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Speaker 2: We wait as just as unfolds, and now we remember
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Speaker 2: an American hero, Deputy Sheriff ned Bird Wait County Sheriffs,
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Speaker 2: North Carolina, shot in the line of duty after thirteen
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Speaker 2: years in Ellie, leaving behind grieving sister Mignon American hero
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Speaker 2: Deputy Sheriff ned Bird Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.