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Defunding the Police, Parking Wars & The Rising Surveillance State · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: You've seen this. He thinks his smile can make it
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Speaker 1: all go away. Listen, politicians can't play both sides and
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Speaker 1: get away with it forever. When Zora Mumdani walked out
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Speaker 1: in Staten Island on a stage, he got roundly booed.
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Speaker 1: And this is something that was probably a long time
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Speaker 1: coming and probably the first of many times this will happen.
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Speaker 1: I break it down right now with k Hill, Mumdani
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Speaker 1: showed up at some event, some police event and got booed,
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Speaker 1: like almost off the stage. So are they starting to
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Speaker 1: really show their true colors? Did people realize they made
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Speaker 1: a mistake with Mumdani. You see this guy Abdul Rakhman
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Speaker 1: Mohammad el Sah in Michigan, who just won the primary
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Speaker 1: for Democrat US Senate out of Michigan. I mean these
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Speaker 1: people that he goes to like Mcana Island. He says,
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Speaker 1: I hate Mcina Island. I hate it here, which is
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Speaker 1: one of the jewels of Michigan. Are they starting to
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Speaker 1: show who they really are? Kay?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely? And I think I think a lot of people
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Speaker 2: kind of knew what they were getting, specifically with ma'm dammy,
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Speaker 2: because you know that other guy else I had, thankfully
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Speaker 2: not in office yet, hopefully like Mike Rodgers can do
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Speaker 2: something and like save Michigan. But ma'm dammy, in particular,
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Speaker 2: I got the I'm just trying to find the event
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Speaker 2: that he actually got booed from, and he was straight
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Speaker 2: up food off the stage show like I didn't he
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Speaker 2: lost it. I think a minute. I think it was
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Speaker 2: about a minute he lost on. Say here it is.
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Speaker 2: So it's the National Night Out against Crime, which is
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Speaker 2: an event on Staten Island at Middland Beach. He was
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Speaker 2: in front of a crowd of about thirty five hundred people,
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Speaker 2: like residents, police families, just members of the community, and
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Speaker 2: yet he got shredded. I mean, as soon as he
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Speaker 2: took the stage, people started booing him. And this was
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Speaker 2: not law enforcement. I want to clarify. This was not
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Speaker 2: police officers standing there booing him. This was the community.
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Speaker 2: This is residents within the community. This was maybe the
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Speaker 2: families of police officers. But the police officers actually kind
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Speaker 2: of held the line and protected ma'am DAMMI not that
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Speaker 2: he was ever in any danger, but they kind of,
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Speaker 2: you know, understood that the crowd really didn't want to
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Speaker 2: see him. He got out about two sentences before he
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Speaker 2: was politely you know he does that like awful smile,
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Speaker 2: that smug smile for he was, you know, politely removed
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Speaker 2: from the setting because people didn't want him there. And
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Speaker 2: I mean there's a million reasons why. Yes, we can
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Speaker 2: go into like his record on the police, which is
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Speaker 2: just like it's so much flip flop that it's flipped
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Speaker 2: and flopped then flipped then flopped again. And I mean
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Speaker 2: he's upset everyone across the spectrum. I mean even the
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Speaker 2: DSA have spoken out against him because he was anti police.
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Speaker 1: Then he the DSA speaking out against.
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Speaker 2: No, they rebuked him. Get this because he said, okay,
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Speaker 2: well maybe we'll put like I think it was about
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Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty new officers. Let's try and recruit
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Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty new officers for NYPD. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: the DSA is pro criminal because they are anti police,
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Speaker 2: and so that was like the one thing that I
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Speaker 2: think take them off. But he he made so many promises,
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Speaker 2: Joe within his campaign and none of them have really
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Speaker 2: come to fruition. All he's really done since he's been
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Speaker 2: in office is dogs a bunch of rich people go
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Speaker 2: and have dinner. What's what's it Brighter's Island?
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Speaker 1: He went to the prisoner to the prison and watch
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Speaker 1: and watched the World Cup with them. Come on, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? I think that the shine is
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Speaker 1: rubbing off. But but we have to be perfectly honest
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Speaker 1: and transparent here. Stat Nyland is filled with Italians. He
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Speaker 1: attacked it the Italian community by leaving Little Italy off
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Speaker 1: of the Enclaves map. And also Staten Island is more
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Speaker 1: Republican than any other of the boroughs, so that's going
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Speaker 1: to be another thing. They're more supporters of Trump. Was
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Speaker 1: it a microcosm, however for all five boroughs? Was it
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Speaker 1: a microcosm for the city? Is the sheen, you know,
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Speaker 1: rubbing off? Or we start like I posted a video
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Speaker 1: last week that shows him promoting some movie and he's
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Speaker 1: speaking with a thick Indian slash Ugandan accent, and when
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Speaker 1: he speaks English also a bit of a British accent.
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Speaker 1: Now he's like, mister, I'm from New York and he
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Speaker 1: doesn't have that anymore. But this guy is clearly just
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Speaker 1: an actor. So is he not able to keep up
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Speaker 1: with the act as well? As I say in aosc Ken,
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Speaker 1: she's also an actress. But maybe she's more seasoned abted
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Speaker 1: than he is. So yeah, let me get back to
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Speaker 1: what I said earlier. Staaten Island's gonna bull win because
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Speaker 1: stat Line doesn't like him. And that's only one of
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Speaker 1: the five boroughs. It's the smallest of the five boroughs,
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Speaker 1: I believe. So is all of New York realizing this
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Speaker 1: or is that just something that we happen on video
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Speaker 1: that day?
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Speaker 2: I think most of New York is realizing this. But
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you kind of brought up the local demographics
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Speaker 2: because yes, they do lean more red. Yes, there was
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Speaker 2: the Little Italy incident, which was, oh, it's not even
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Speaker 2: calling it the incident, the incident that was a gate
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Speaker 2: that was a gate level scanggle on his part, like
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Speaker 2: it was Italy.
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Speaker 1: When I come, if I come to Wales and talk
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Speaker 1: to your family and say, hey, what are a couple
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Speaker 1: of enclaves in New York City, You're probably gonna say
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Speaker 1: little Italy and Chinatown. That's probably all anybody on the
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Speaker 1: planet knows about it. We had freaking little Palestine and
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Speaker 1: little you know, fill in the blank other Islamic country
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Speaker 1: or small you know place around the globe. We had
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Speaker 1: little everything but not Little Italy. And he's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: this is what Eric Adams gave me. No, you left
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Speaker 1: that off on purpose. You're an idiot. So I think
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Speaker 1: they are waking up to that. But what bothers me
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Speaker 1: is that voters are so quick to get back to
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Speaker 1: their daily routine and forget what he just did. I
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Speaker 1: just wanted to stick to this guy a bit. I
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Speaker 1: want them to realize what it is that he's doing well.
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Speaker 2: I think the fact that all crime except for I
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Speaker 2: think it's shootings and murders have gone up still in
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Speaker 2: New York. And actually the reduction in shootings and murders
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Speaker 2: kind of aligns with when ICE started being able to
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Speaker 2: go out and actually do their job. That was kind
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Speaker 2: of interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if Muntbamiley tries to
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Speaker 2: claim that as his own victory, but it absolutely is not.
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Speaker 2: It's part of a broader trend within New York and
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Speaker 2: like I said, all other crimes skyrocketing. He said, So
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Speaker 2: it's I think when the shine is kind of fading
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Speaker 2: to a little bit of a mat right now, shall
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Speaker 2: we say? With him? Is not just even with New
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Speaker 2: Yorkers who maybe didn't even go out and vote. He's
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Speaker 2: he's just taking off everyone, like it's everyone across the spectrum.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, so like, for example, yes there was
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Speaker 2: a little literly thing. Yes, there's the fact he's flip
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Speaker 2: flopped a lot and been, you know, predominantly anti police.
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Speaker 2: But then in his actions he's pro police enough to
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Speaker 2: piss off the DSAY And then you kind of take
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Speaker 2: it that step further and people are realizing, oh, he's
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Speaker 2: willing to dog me if I am a hard working
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Speaker 2: New Yorker who owns their own home, et cetera, et cetera,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. Like we had him literally do that. Then
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Speaker 2: we have the green stickers, which is a whole other
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Speaker 2: tangent that I think we could get into today if
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Speaker 2: you wanted to. So we've seen this, the green stickers. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so I guess it was a thing before they got
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Speaker 2: rid of it. But basically, parking enforcement will put green stickers.
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Speaker 2: I think it's parking enforcement. I assume it is. We'll
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Speaker 2: put green stickers on your car in New York City,
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Speaker 2: like these huge, ugly things that are like very difficult
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Speaker 2: to get off if you are parked in the wrong
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Speaker 2: place during street cleaning. So people are absolutely furious about that, right, Like,
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Speaker 2: how would you feel if you woke up one morning,
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Speaker 2: say you flew into New York for work, you rented
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Speaker 2: a car. I don't know why you would. I mean,
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Speaker 2: actually I probably would in this day and age. But you, uh,
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Speaker 2: you rent a car, you park it somewhere that you know,
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Speaker 2: by all accounts, looks normal to you. Again, like I said,
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Speaker 2: maybe you're not from the city. You wake up the
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Speaker 2: next morning, there's a huge green sticker on your car,
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Speaker 2: like a green sticker of shame that says you don't
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Speaker 2: know how to park in our city. And now, like
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Speaker 2: you know, you're going to be subject to whatever, like
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Speaker 2: potential fines, like all this, that and the other. But
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Speaker 2: really it's like this green sticker, now, Joe, when I
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Speaker 2: saw this, I can't remember who sent it to me,
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Speaker 2: but I was sitting there looking at it, and I thought,
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Speaker 2: you know what, flock cameras. Everyone's saw about flot cameras
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Speaker 2: right now, and most people are opposed to them. Me too,
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Speaker 2: me too. But it's it's not it's it's not hard,
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Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily easy to evolve an entire population's
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Speaker 2: mindset on something like flock cameras. So for those listening
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Speaker 2: at home, flock cameras essentially they read your license plate.
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Speaker 2: They've been associated with a bunch of police interventions. That
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Speaker 2: turns out they got the wrong person because these digital
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Speaker 2: camera things.
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Speaker 1: Actually this happened, Yes, I mean, I mean one woman
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Speaker 1: was almost arrested for something she had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with because she happens to drive through town.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Literally, So it's kind of like big Brother surveillance
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Speaker 2: state stuff.
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Speaker 1: What of the green stickers have to do with flock
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Speaker 1: cameras in your opinion, So, if.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to, as a social scientist, take a population
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Speaker 2: and completely change their mindset towards something like flock cameras,
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Speaker 2: I would give them something to be even more ticked
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Speaker 2: off about that make flock cameras look like way less
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Speaker 2: of an issue and way more of a positive in
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Speaker 2: the context. So say, for example, would you you rather
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Speaker 2: wake up in the morning and have a big green
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Speaker 2: sticker on your car? Maybe it's a rental car, maybe
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Speaker 2: it's the first car you've ever owned, very difficult to
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Speaker 2: get off. Borderline vandalism really is what these stickers are.
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Speaker 2: Would you rather have that or would you rather the
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Speaker 2: city tracks? People who you know have these you know,
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Speaker 2: parking I don't know, like it's a parking issue, Like
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Speaker 2: it's a very minor parking issue. Would you rather have
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Speaker 2: the city track people's vehicles through these systems that aren't
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Speaker 2: like so in your face, aren't going to damage your
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Speaker 2: actual vehicle. And you know, say, for example, you park
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Speaker 2: in the wrong spot, you get caught on a flot camera,
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Speaker 2: you're just going to get a letter that says, hey,
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Speaker 2: you parked in the wrong place or whatever. The next
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Speaker 2: thing would be for something as petty is parking in
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Speaker 2: the wrong place you're in street cleaning. And so I
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Speaker 2: don't know if the Democrats or you know, any politicians
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Speaker 2: in New York are smart enough to think like that
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Speaker 2: and think long term in terms of like, hey, we've
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Speaker 2: got to make people like something like flock cameras. What's
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Speaker 2: one of the first things we can do to kind
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Speaker 2: of start that mindset shift. This is pretty much the
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Speaker 2: first thing that I would do. And so maybe, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that could be took a tenpol hat right now, but
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised.
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Speaker 1: I'll think you're very far off. The flock cameras have
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Speaker 1: to go. They're illegal, and people keep on saying, you know,
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Speaker 1: you have no expectation of privacy in public, and I
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Speaker 1: hear you. But in this country, and this is really important,
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Speaker 1: you've got the right to confront your accuser, just like
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Speaker 1: with traffic light cameras, those have all They are starting
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Speaker 1: to come down everywhere because you've got a private entity
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Speaker 1: that profits if I if I run the red light.
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Speaker 1: It's not just the police. It's not the city. It's
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Speaker 1: not an officer catching me do it. It's some camera
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Speaker 1: that was provided by a company, a company in Phoenix
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Speaker 1: that's a private company that's in it for profit. In
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Speaker 1: other words, they want me to run more red lights
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Speaker 1: so they can make more money. And I don't think
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Speaker 1: that you should be able to profit on something like that. Plus,
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Speaker 1: you can't really confront your accuser. It's a piece of
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Speaker 1: electronic equipment. So the flock camera cannot sit in the
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Speaker 1: witness stand, cannot answer my questions on cross examine or recross,
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Speaker 1: They can't do anything like that. I cannot confront. This
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Speaker 1: is why when you get a red light camera ticket,
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Speaker 1: it's civil. It is not the only thing they can
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Speaker 1: do is like harm your credit score if you don't
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Speaker 1: pay it. It's not a criminal penalty. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think these are going to be long. I think flock
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Speaker 1: cameras will be proven to not hold up in court
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Speaker 1: because you can't confront them. And if there's a private
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Speaker 1: entity making money and there is a private company that's
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Speaker 1: providing them, then they make money off of surveilling us
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Speaker 1: even more. And know you and I did not say
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Speaker 1: as to a surveillance state. Does that make sense?
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Speaker 2: Yes? Absolutely, that makes total sense. And it's kind of terrifying,
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Speaker 2: really it is, because I do think there is going
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Speaker 2: to be a huge, huge push to have people be
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Speaker 2: pro flow cameras. Like I wouldn't be surprised if between
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Speaker 2: now and twenty twenty eight, I won't be surprised if in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight it's an election deciding issue.
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Speaker 2: Wow, Like, that's how bad I think it could potentially get.
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Speaker 2: And you know, Joe, so I have an almost six
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Speaker 2: month old daytime naps sometimes we just have to drive
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Speaker 2: around for an hour and a half. Yeah, I was
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Speaker 2: driving down a country road. And when I say in
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Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, I mean like it would have
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Speaker 2: taken me fifteen minutes to get to a rural highway
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Speaker 2: from where I was at. I'm driving down this rural
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Speaker 2: country road. Nothing there, no buildings, just all trees. There
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Speaker 2: was like a very small intersection. What do I see
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Speaker 2: guy putting up a flock camera. I literally pulled over
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Speaker 2: and was like, dude, is that a flock camera? And
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Speaker 2: he's just like yeah, And I was like, can I
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Speaker 2: take a picture? And he let me take a picture, So.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, nowhere.
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Speaker 2: It just makes no sense for it to be there.
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Speaker 2: It's really bizarre because, like I get it. When I
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Speaker 2: was growing up, like I grew up in a small
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Speaker 2: seaside town, I knew that there was nowhere you could
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Speaker 2: go in my sort of like in the city center
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Speaker 2: then like downtown without being on camera in some way,
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Speaker 2: shape or form. Like I knew that then, But this
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Speaker 2: is like this is a step, like not even just
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Speaker 2: a step up from that. It is such an insidious
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Speaker 2: like leap forward in pushing that surveillance state. And like
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Speaker 2: you said, there's a lot of people who can profit
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Speaker 2: off it. So it's not even just that, it's like
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Speaker 2: also like the prison system will eventually profit off of it,
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Speaker 2: and it kind of goes from there. It's kind of
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Speaker 2: terrifying really, So anyway, bit of a tenfoil hat. But
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Speaker 2: you can see where I'm going with the conspiracy.
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Speaker 1: York City says, either you get the stickers or you
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Speaker 1: get more cameras. Hey, don't put any more stickers on
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Speaker 1: my car. I get it. Let's talk about El Sayed
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Speaker 1: a bit. It's it's a dual rockmand Mohammed el Sayed.
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Speaker 1: If you say his full name, you're somehow being bigoted
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Speaker 1: a racist. But his name, once again is Abdul Rochmann,
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Speaker 1: Mohammad l Sied. That's his name, just like you know
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Speaker 1: Barack Hussein Obama is his name. If I say that,
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Speaker 1: I'm not being bigoted. I'm not saying I'm not suggesting anything,
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Speaker 1: just saying his name. This guy wins the Democrat primary.
16:20
Speaker 1: He's dsa big time the people of Michigan. Let me
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Speaker 1: just give you a side note. Do you know what
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Speaker 1: my favorite movie ever is?
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Speaker 2: You know? I do?
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Speaker 1: It starred Christopher Reeve and Jane Seymour, is that ring
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Speaker 1: a bell? It was probably it was out before you
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Speaker 1: were born. It was that about No, it was not Superman.
16:39
Speaker 1: Jane Seymour wasn't Superman. It was a movie called Somewhere
16:42
Speaker 1: in Time. It was filmed on mckinaw Island, Michigan. It
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Speaker 1: takes us back to the early nineteen hundreds. Christopher Reeve
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Speaker 1: is coming from the nineteen seventies. It has time travel,
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Speaker 1: falls in love with Jane Seymour, you know, back in
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Speaker 1: the day. And mckinaw Island was the setting. That is
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Speaker 1: an island in Michigan. You can't have cars there. It's
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Speaker 1: an extremely old timey place. It's awesome. Abdul Rochmann Mohammad l.
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Speaker 1: Sayed was going there to do some event and he's
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Speaker 1: caught on camera and on audio saying, I hate mcanae,
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Speaker 1: I hate mcana always have. I hate coming here. I
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Speaker 1: guess I guess the summerhouses in Macina. If we should win,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going dude. This is like quintessential Michigan.
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Speaker 1: Everybody in Michigan is proud of that. They're proud of
17:26
Speaker 1: the cheese and pin conning Michigan. They're proud of the
17:30
Speaker 1: beef coming from some ural agricultural areas. They're certainly proud
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Speaker 1: of making cars in Michigan. It's you know, you got
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Speaker 1: motor City there. Can you imagine, like, I don't know
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Speaker 1: much about Swansea, but can you imagine me taking what's
17:42
Speaker 1: great about Swansea and saying, I hate it, but you
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Speaker 1: should vote for me. I just thought that told me
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Speaker 1: everything I had to know about This guy doesn't care
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Speaker 1: about Michigan, doesn't care about the United States, doesn't care
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Speaker 1: about our values. Plays the victim if you say his
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Speaker 1: whole name, just giving your thoughts on him, because you're right,
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Speaker 1: he's not a senator yet. It's not like Mandami Mam,
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Speaker 1: who is the mayor. He's not a senator yet, but
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Speaker 1: he da he damn sure could win. I know my
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Speaker 1: graduates very well, and I want him to win. But
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Speaker 1: this guy could win. What are your thoughts about a
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Speaker 1: politician who, when the veil is off, decides to say
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Speaker 1: how he really feels about stuff.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like something out of that HBO series Veep.
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Speaker 2: Like that was the first place my mind went to,
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Speaker 2: Like we dealt with so much, so many parallels between
18:25
Speaker 2: Veep and the you know, Biden Harris administration. I think
18:29
Speaker 2: he's just a continuation of that. And again, it just
18:34
Speaker 2: I don't understand how when you've got a city like
18:39
Speaker 2: Detroit right the has you know, just plummeted in terms
18:45
Speaker 2: of social decline and is continuing to Yes, they're part
18:48
Speaker 2: of it that might be becoming gentrified, but like every
18:51
Speaker 2: other major, predominantly Democrat city in this country, it's suffering
18:56
Speaker 2: under their policies, Like there's human suffering because of these policies.
19:02
Speaker 2: And it kind of scares me to think that this
19:04
Speaker 2: guy has gotten as far as he has given that
19:08
Speaker 2: he's just parading around like you could literally. I mean,
19:12
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he switches out his accent
19:14
Speaker 2: at some point too, like all of the rest of
19:16
Speaker 2: them do as well. I just it scares me that
19:21
Speaker 2: someone that you could switch out with like AOC or
19:24
Speaker 2: Mam Darmi or any of those like very far left
19:28
Speaker 2: leaning politicians where we see the damage that they've done
19:31
Speaker 2: in this country already, that you could switch him out
19:33
Speaker 2: with any of them, and people are still going for that.
19:36
Speaker 2: But Joe, when I was doing my little bit of
19:38
Speaker 2: background research on him today for this show, had the
19:42
Speaker 2: weirdest thing happened. So, you know, everyone uses Google AI
19:47
Speaker 2: research whatever. I get into a lot of arguments with
19:50
Speaker 2: my AI and you know me, I didn't like AI.
19:52
Speaker 2: I was very anti AI pro.
19:54
Speaker 1: I am so profane with my AI companions. I'd just
19:57
Speaker 1: tell them off every day. So I'm with your gut.
19:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here for it. But I had a really
20:01
Speaker 2: weird thing happened. So I went on Google and I
20:04
Speaker 2: typed in. I was like, I just want to refresh
20:06
Speaker 2: myself on Mike Rogers, his policies, things like that. So
20:11
Speaker 2: I typed in el sayed Michigan. Who is he running
20:17
Speaker 2: against policies? You know, type in pretty much anything else
20:25
Speaker 2: on Google. I don't know about you, but every time
20:26
Speaker 2: I Googled anything recently, I get the exact answer. Pretty
20:31
Speaker 2: much that I'm looking for is like the first couple
20:33
Speaker 2: of words in the AI like the Gemini thing that
20:36
Speaker 2: comes up gives me like a very rough breakdown. It's
20:39
Speaker 2: never enough for me. I get off it and I
20:41
Speaker 2: start doing my own research, right, but the AI Gemini
20:45
Speaker 2: thing is always there right at the top. I probably
20:48
Speaker 2: put in ten different versions of that request immediately. The
20:55
Speaker 2: only place it would take me to was articles about Elsie,
21:00
Speaker 2: and even to the point where, until I use Mike
21:03
Speaker 2: Rogers's actual name, I went through probably two pages before
21:09
Speaker 2: being able to find it within the actual search engine.
21:12
Speaker 1: So running against It doesn't say Mike Rodgers.
21:17
Speaker 2: This was just like, this is just what happened to me, Like,
21:21
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't screen record it or anything, but
21:23
Speaker 2: I wonder is like something like that happening in Michigan,
21:28
Speaker 2: Because that's my big concern is the el Saia's getting
21:32
Speaker 2: ahead because he gets headlines, he gets clicks, he gets likes,
21:36
Speaker 2: he gets even like the rage bait attention, and so
21:40
Speaker 2: with Mike Rogers, like it's the same thing we keep
21:43
Speaker 2: seeing with the GOP. They lose because they are not
21:48
Speaker 2: loud enough, because they're not going out. They're still running
21:51
Speaker 2: campaigns like you used to run them even like five
21:54
Speaker 2: years ago. That's not what politics is anymore. If you
21:57
Speaker 2: want to get people out to vote, you have to
21:59
Speaker 2: go way harder than I think Mike Rodgers and so
22:02
Speaker 2: many other people up against these far leftist democrats. Uh,
22:08
Speaker 2: let me let me stop you, because it just blown.
22:11
Speaker 1: You make an amazing point. You searched for who is
22:14
Speaker 1: el sayat running against it? Doesn't tell you? Is that
22:17
Speaker 1: a GOP problem? Is that a Mike Rogers problem? Is
22:20
Speaker 1: Google squelching it? Because if I ask AI, who is
22:24
Speaker 1: l sayad running against, the answer is very simple. It's
22:27
Speaker 1: Mike Rogers. Why isn't it giving me that answer?
22:32
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but I do think it's a
22:34
Speaker 2: Google problem. And again everyone's gonna oh, he's like a
22:37
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist tenfoil have. I was like, sorry, did we
22:39
Speaker 2: all not live through twenty twenty? How do you trust
22:42
Speaker 2: the Internet and the people who run it after twenty twenty?
22:45
Speaker 2: If you do, you're insane? Sorry, like that, Like, you
22:48
Speaker 2: can't do that. If you think, oh, this is pretty insane.
22:52
Speaker 2: They probably wouldn't do that. They probably would. They probably
22:55
Speaker 2: would if a rational person can sit there and go, hmm,
22:58
Speaker 2: here's a little bit of evidence something like this. Are
23:01
Speaker 2: they squelching Mike Rogers' entire campaign on Google? Maybe? I
23:05
Speaker 2: don't know. I think they would deny it, but I'm
23:09
Speaker 2: just saying, well, I experience Google issue.
23:13
Speaker 1: Not allegedly the GOP, sorry, allegedly, the Democrat Party in
23:18
Speaker 1: its cofferce has one quarter of the money the GOP has.
23:22
Speaker 1: Why aren't they spending the money yet, is it too soon?
23:24
Speaker 1: Because you've got to tell all of AI Mike Rodgers
23:27
Speaker 1: is our candidate. You've got to tell anybody and everybody
23:30
Speaker 1: who's in the news, Mike Rodgers is our candidate, and
23:32
Speaker 1: he's available to be to be interviewed. So are they
23:35
Speaker 1: waiting to spend the money because we're less than ninety
23:37
Speaker 1: days out.
23:39
Speaker 2: I think they must be waiting. And I hate to
23:43
Speaker 2: say this, Joe, because like I don't even want to
23:45
Speaker 2: be involved in any kind of politics eat stuff anymore.
23:48
Speaker 2: I like doing my research blah blah blah blah blah.
23:50
Speaker 2: But I think that unless he goes on like a
23:55
Speaker 2: massive attack and goes on a big social media campaign,
23:59
Speaker 2: he needs to be bumping up his press like it's
24:02
Speaker 2: the last like just out of control. I think unless
24:06
Speaker 2: he does that and starts getting more click baity, he's
24:10
Speaker 2: going to fall into the same trap I think a
24:13
Speaker 2: lot of people fall into, particularly like we just saw
24:15
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24:19
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25:24
Speaker 2: Now, Yes, you know, Curtis should be the mayor of
25:28
Speaker 2: New York. He is the right person to lead that city.
25:31
Speaker 2: His campaign policies were unbelievable, Like they were so good
25:36
Speaker 2: and they were more than achievable, and it wasn't a
25:39
Speaker 2: hardline Republican set of policies, like he was fantastic, fantastic candidate.
25:46
Speaker 2: No one knew who he was, but everyone knew ma'am
25:48
Speaker 2: Dammy's name because it was everywhere. So a lot of
25:51
Speaker 2: people walking into that ballot or walk into uh we
25:56
Speaker 2: call it like the ballot box, polling the polling stations,
25:59
Speaker 2: walking the polling station. I hate to say it, but
26:02
Speaker 2: so many people literally just vote for the name that
26:05
Speaker 2: they recognize, like that's it, Like they don't think any
26:08
Speaker 2: harder than that. In the same way that a lot
26:10
Speaker 2: of people just go, oh a Democrat or oh a Republican,
26:12
Speaker 2: a lot of people, a lot of people literally will
26:15
Speaker 2: just vote for a name that they recognize. And a
26:19
Speaker 2: lot of the Democrats Socialists really do a great job
26:22
Speaker 2: of galvanizing the stupid young vote. That's going to sway
26:26
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff. Like I don't envy Mike Roger's
26:29
Speaker 2: this fight. I think Michigan needs him, especially if they
26:33
Speaker 2: want to stay they want to stay far away from
26:37
Speaker 2: what places like California has become, or New York City
26:40
Speaker 2: has become, or New York in general. I think, yeah,
26:45
Speaker 2: I think he's got a real uphill battle here because
26:48
Speaker 2: a lot of it is just name recognition. And you know,
26:51
Speaker 2: if you've got Google potentially squelching you, you need to
26:54
Speaker 2: be doing a lot more harder work.
26:57
Speaker 1: It's a it's a big problem. And again I'll say
26:59
Speaker 1: it again, and you I don't know this, I don't think,
27:01
Speaker 1: but Mike Rodgers and I go way back to when
27:02
Speaker 1: I was a television news aakre or Lansing, Michigan, where
27:04
Speaker 1: he was a US representative, and we've been friendly for
27:08
Speaker 1: a long time. When nine to eleven happened, he actually
27:10
Speaker 1: sent me a flag that flew over the House of
27:12
Speaker 1: Representatives to say thank you for your excellent reporting in
27:15
Speaker 1: the aftermath of nine to eleven. So I've got a
27:18
Speaker 1: real affinity for the guy. Now, many people will complain
27:21
Speaker 1: that he's a former FBI guy, and he's an alphabet guy,
27:23
Speaker 1: and he's a surveillance guy. Listen, your choice is between
27:27
Speaker 1: a guy that doesn't even like Mackinaw Island, so therefore
27:30
Speaker 1: he probably doesn't like a whole lot of other places
27:32
Speaker 1: in Michigan. A guy who who is out there saying
27:35
Speaker 1: anything and everything just to get elected. But more importantly
27:37
Speaker 1: than all of that, forget that he doesn't like Macann Island,
27:40
Speaker 1: which is stupid. It's just decidedly dumb. Yeah, this guy
27:43
Speaker 1: campaigned with Hassan Piker. Hassan Piker has said Mause Doung
27:47
Speaker 1: got it right, who killed fifty or sixty million of
27:50
Speaker 1: his own people. This is a guy who said that
27:53
Speaker 1: America deserved nine to eleven. This is a guy who
27:55
Speaker 1: said that he wants to I can't say that the
27:59
Speaker 1: F word here, but he wants people from other parts
28:02
Speaker 1: of the world to do that to the daughters and
28:05
Speaker 1: wives and everybody else, to get rid of the white race.
28:09
Speaker 1: He has said these things, and Kay, nobody is hanging
28:12
Speaker 1: in that albatross around Abdul Rochmand Muhammad al Sayed's neck.
28:15
Speaker 1: Why not? You can't possibly campaign with Hitler and pretend
28:20
Speaker 1: like you don't align with Hitler.
28:23
Speaker 2: I mean, he does align with Hitler, and that's the thing.
28:25
Speaker 2: Is like the people who know and understand like exactly
28:29
Speaker 2: what you just said aren't going to go vote for him,
28:32
Speaker 2: But we have this demographic of stupid young people who
28:35
Speaker 2: love that stuff. I remember when I was still living
28:37
Speaker 2: in LA I would put on In fact, I would
28:40
Speaker 2: only put it on play like three or four times,
28:42
Speaker 2: maybe more. I was trying to interview him, Hassan Piker.
28:45
Speaker 2: This was, you know, almost ten years ago. I wouldn't
28:48
Speaker 2: be surprised. And I remember sitting there listening to him
28:51
Speaker 2: one evening. I was like cooking or something, and I
28:53
Speaker 2: like it was probably like I like finally tuned in
28:56
Speaker 2: and I was just like, you know what, this guy's
28:58
Speaker 2: a psychopath. All of these ideas a terrible for America.
29:02
Speaker 2: What am I doing listening to this guy? This seems
29:04
Speaker 2: really dangerous?
29:05
Speaker 1: Right?
29:06
Speaker 2: And then I had a gap, and then all of
29:08
Speaker 2: a sudden I started hearing like, oh, there's this guy
29:10
Speaker 2: Jo Pegs. Oh who's Tucker Colson. He's pretty interesting, and
29:13
Speaker 2: then like going down the list right until I became
29:16
Speaker 2: what I am say. So, I do credit Hassan Piker
29:18
Speaker 2: with making me more conservative, and I.
29:21
Speaker 1: Peak so that that it helped.
29:22
Speaker 2: You, well, like you know, I hope that young people
29:25
Speaker 2: out there, uh, you know, having that same kind of realization,
29:29
Speaker 2: like not only is saying stuff like as heinous as
29:33
Speaker 2: you know, America deserves nine to eleven the other stuff
29:36
Speaker 2: that you just mentioned that again, I don't want to
29:38
Speaker 2: say like sensors and stuff. But someone that fundamentally disgusting, evil, hypocrite,
29:45
Speaker 2: massive hypocrite, didn't he just go to Cuba wearing like
29:49
Speaker 2: thirteen one hundred dollar glasses or something.
29:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got a three million dollar house. But he's
29:54
Speaker 1: a socialist, which interesting.
29:55
Speaker 2: Is Bernie Sanders's socialists.
29:57
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders was asked about the DSA, was asked about
30:01
Speaker 1: El si ed campaigning with Hassan Piker and was reminded
30:05
Speaker 1: of some of the things that Piker said. Sanders said,
30:08
Speaker 1: I forget who the host was. I don't think I
30:10
Speaker 1: know her name. I think there was on CNN. But
30:12
Speaker 1: he says, I'll bet you said some things in the
30:14
Speaker 1: past that you regret. Hassan Piker doesn't regret it. He's
30:17
Speaker 1: saying it now. He's saying it now and he means it.
30:20
Speaker 1: It's not like he was in college and he was
30:21
Speaker 1: drunk and he said, eh, let's cleanse the white race,
30:24
Speaker 1: and that isn't what happened. He's telling thirty three thousand
30:28
Speaker 1: simultaneous people watching him online that he wants to do
30:31
Speaker 1: this to the girls and the women in this country
30:34
Speaker 1: to get rid of the white race, that we deserve
30:36
Speaker 1: this and that we're colonial everything. He's doing it now
30:39
Speaker 1: and this guy Abdul is standing next to him like
30:43
Speaker 1: high fiving him at these campaign events. Kay, people can't
30:46
Speaker 1: be dumb enough to elect this guy, can. I gotta go,
30:48
Speaker 1: but just just just finish up with that. Is this
30:51
Speaker 1: really in your opinion, and you dived very deep into
30:54
Speaker 1: this and you're great researcher, Is it your opinion that
30:56
Speaker 1: Mike Rodgers has to raise his game or else it's over.
31:00
Speaker 2: I think he needs to raise his game or is
31:02
Speaker 2: going to be tight, And I think it's it's gonna
31:05
Speaker 2: be amongst young people. And that's that's the demo he
31:08
Speaker 2: needs to go for. Like, really, that's what's gonna shift
31:11
Speaker 2: this Because the only reason else I had is hanging
31:13
Speaker 2: out with hasseen Piker is because like so many people
31:15
Speaker 2: watch his stream, mostly young people, and uh, well, we
31:19
Speaker 2: all know of the success that Charlie Kirk had with
31:21
Speaker 2: that right in twenty twenty four. So that's who Mike
31:25
Speaker 2: Rogers needs to go for right now.
31:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. It is Kay Hill, go and
31:29
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31:35
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31:37
Speaker 2: It's casemith Hill across everything because I keep forgetting to
31:41
Speaker 2: legally change my name because it takes hes as a
31:44
Speaker 2: Green card holder. So yeah, there you go.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Kay, we love you, Thank you so
31:48
Speaker 1: much for all the great insight. As always, you did
31:50
Speaker 1: a great job, and let's do it again very soon,
31:52
Speaker 1: my friends. See you next week, see you next week.
31:54
Speaker 2: I thank you. All right.
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