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The Late Debate | 30 December · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately the gentleman. Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the Late Debate time, Kel Richards
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  Speaker 2: joining me on the panel. Will Kingston and Evelyn Ray.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. It is lovely to have your company.
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  Speaker 2: Later on in the program, and we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about what happens if you have the wrong sort of
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  Speaker 2: electricity meter and the fact that they can suddenly decide
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  Speaker 2: to turn off your air conditioning, and you'll have a
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  Speaker 2: chance to join us in fulminating about those dreadful things
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  Speaker 2: they are doing to crocodile Dundee. But first, how will
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  Speaker 2: the world remember Jimmy put Carter, an affable, likable george
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  Speaker 2: and peanut farmer. He was a one term president. According
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  Speaker 2: to my sort of estimates are only nine I think
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  Speaker 2: one term presidents in the United States. He won in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one from the hapless Gerald Ford. Then he
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  Speaker 2: defeated it was defeated by the great communicator Ronald Reagan,
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  Speaker 2: and he left after four years in presidency. It was
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  Speaker 2: after his presidency that Carter became really famous for his
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  Speaker 2: work with Habitat for Humanity, personally working with teams picking
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  Speaker 2: up a hammer and a saw, and working on those
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  Speaker 2: building sites and with the Carter Center. So will how
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  Speaker 2: will Jimmy Carter be remembered as a president?
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  Speaker 3: I know we're meant to say nice things after someone
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  Speaker 3: passes away, so I'll get that out of the way
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  Speaker 3: in about fifteen seconds. He did a lot of good
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  Speaker 3: stuff after he finished presidency, and he gave us Ronald
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  Speaker 3: Reagan because he was so rubbish.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I hate to.
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  Speaker 3: Say it, but he has been remembered in his life
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  Speaker 3: as one of the most destructive US presidents, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think that's going to change just now that he's
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  Speaker 3: passed away.
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  Speaker 5: He unfortunately, after Joe Biden still say that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is you know, this is a really kind
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  Speaker 3: of pedantic debate. But he led to rampant inflation in
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  Speaker 3: that country. He let the Soviets run wild. He was
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  Speaker 3: a weak leader in his time in office, and I
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  Speaker 3: think he will be remembered unfortunately, very dimly, notwithstanding his
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  Speaker 3: work after he left.
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  Speaker 2: He strikes me a little as being, in a sense,
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  Speaker 2: the opposite of Trump. Carter a likable man. Everyone liked him.
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  Speaker 2: He was a lovely, warm, friendly man, and everyone approved
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  Speaker 2: of him and morally thought he was wonderful.
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  Speaker 5: But he was a very.
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  Speaker 2: Weak president, whereas Trump, on the other hand, is one
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  Speaker 2: of those. One of a couple of days ago, someone
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  Speaker 2: said to me, oh, he's an appalling character, dreadful human being,
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  Speaker 2: but he proved to be a good president in his
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  Speaker 2: first term and may well do the same thing in
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  Speaker 2: his second term.
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  Speaker 5: So is he Is he the opposite of Trump?
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 6: I think a big difference between the two of them
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  Speaker 6: is one gets things done and one doesn't. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's funny how during you know, the death, and I
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  Speaker 6: guess people remembering his life and all of his work,
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  Speaker 6: everybody always begins with, you know, and qualifies their condolences
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  Speaker 6: to the family, which is the right and respectful thing
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  Speaker 6: to do. You know, his family are obviously mourning his
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  Speaker 6: death and things, and that's a very sad thing.
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  Speaker 1: To go through.
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  Speaker 6: But everybody then notes that he wasn't the greatest president.
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  Speaker 1: And it has to come.
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  Speaker 6: With that caveat, because I think that even Democrats, even leftists,
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  Speaker 6: who were very happy with him when he was elected
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  Speaker 6: and things like that, and then his life afterwards, even
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  Speaker 6: they are more than happy to criticize him. But I
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  Speaker 6: think a really good telltale sign if someone really is
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  Speaker 6: a good politician. Usually if it's very loud that he's
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  Speaker 6: not liked like Trump, it's usually a good sign. He's
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  Speaker 6: probably doing a good job, I think somewhat exactly, which
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  Speaker 6: is a good thing in this day and Asian and
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  Speaker 6: perhaps was then that there are a lot of excuses
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  Speaker 6: I think that I'm seeing being aired post you know,
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  Speaker 6: Carter's death, and a lot of people are saying, oh,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it was the time, or it was this,
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  Speaker 6: or you know this and that. But you know, if
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  Speaker 6: you look at just objectively the things as president that
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  Speaker 6: he did, you know, minus the emotion, minus trying to
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  Speaker 6: tread carefully around, you know, mourning.
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  Speaker 1: His death, it was his own policy that led him down.
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  Speaker 6: And look at Iran with the Islamist look at what
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  Speaker 6: you mentioned Will with the Soviet Union aggression that sort
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  Speaker 6: of came under there. He also elected a lot of
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  Speaker 6: really progressive, like extreme progressive.
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  Speaker 1: Into the court, which then obviously.
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  Speaker 6: Saw the degradation of the legal system, the constitution, the
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  Speaker 6: human rights.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, he also I think one of the
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  Speaker 1: last things.
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  Speaker 6: That he said before he passed away was he staying
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  Speaker 6: alive long enough to vote for Kamela. So I think
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  Speaker 6: that says enough about it.
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  Speaker 4: I think we all know that it wasn't him who
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  Speaker 4: actually he said that.
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  Speaker 2: He was a very old man, and there was, as
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  Speaker 2: you say, a spokesman who said.
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  Speaker 5: It for him.
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  Speaker 2: I always remember him as being involved in the around
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  Speaker 2: hostage crisis. Fifty two American diplomats were held for four
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  Speaker 2: hundred and forty four days.
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  Speaker 5: That's about one undred quarter years. Again in three months
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  Speaker 5: something like that, a terribly long time.
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  Speaker 2: And right at the beginning will he actually announced he
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  Speaker 2: would put no boots on the ground, there would be
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  Speaker 2: no military action.
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  Speaker 5: He was going to talk this out. Now. Is it
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  Speaker 5: possible for a good guy to be a good president?
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  Speaker 5: Or isn't it? Is it not possible?
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  Speaker 3: It's a really interesting question, and it's a question I've
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  Speaker 3: probably changed my mind on. I once thought that to
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  Speaker 3: be a great leader you needed to have a firm
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  Speaker 3: moral compass. I'm now not so sure about that. There
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  Speaker 3: are just too many examples throughout human history, from Lloyd
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  Speaker 3: George through to Nixon through to Trump, where bad, well
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  Speaker 3: potentially men with questionable morals have proven to be effective leaders.
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  Speaker 3: And too many people on the other side of the ledger,
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  Speaker 3: like Jimmy Carter, who have been fundamentally good men who
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  Speaker 3: have proven to be weak leaders. I think the key
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  Speaker 3: ingredient is strength. I don't necessarily think it is having
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  Speaker 3: a strong moral compass.
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  Speaker 1: I think that.
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  Speaker 6: Strong moral compass leads to strength. I would push back
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  Speaker 6: with you.
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  Speaker 1: On that one.
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  Speaker 6: I think that we are so used to not having
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  Speaker 6: good options. It was always the lesser of two evils.
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  Speaker 6: Particularly now like in Australian politics. It's like I probably
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't vote for any or either people in you know,
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  Speaker 6: the parties. But it's just in my mind and in
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  Speaker 6: my logical system, I'm thinking, well, what's the lesser of
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  Speaker 6: two evils? And I think for too long we've kind of,
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  Speaker 6: you know, made lead ways with this. But I think
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  Speaker 6: in an ideal world as actually it's good morals that
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  Speaker 6: leads to strength.
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  Speaker 2: But Luther once famously said he would be governed by
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  Speaker 2: the devil if he was a good governor. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: it's the power to govern well and make good decisions
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  Speaker 2: and good judgments.
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  Speaker 5: That's what matters.
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  Speaker 1: Got it well, I think that And I'm like that
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  Speaker 1: you quote Luther. I quite appreciate.
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  Speaker 6: Some of the things that he's done, particularly the Reformation,
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  Speaker 6: but that's another topic. Joe's not on the show, so
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  Speaker 6: you won't get into that. But I honestly think that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like everybody has a moral.
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  Speaker 1: Compass, which is what guides them. And I think that.
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  Speaker 6: Strength that isn't restrained by good morals is quite dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Just like a man or a woman.
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  Speaker 6: Without purpose is quite dangerous. The same logic I believe
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  Speaker 6: applies with politicians. I think that sure. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 6: not saying that every politician needs to be perfect, like
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  Speaker 6: we're all imperfect, but I think we should be striving,
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  Speaker 6: particularly with people who have that much power to have
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  Speaker 6: authority over us, we should be striving.
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  Speaker 2: And for people who have that, decent and strong can happen.
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  Speaker 2: Churchill gave us decent and strong and won the Second
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  Speaker 2: World War. Reagan gave us decent and strong and won
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  Speaker 2: the Cold War.
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  Speaker 5: It can happen.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're mutually exclusive, but I think we're
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  Speaker 3: right in saying that strength is the keyword here. And
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  Speaker 3: I think the one thing which I'm excited about with
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  Speaker 3: an incoming Trump presidency is the concept of peace through strength.
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  Speaker 3: I think ultimately, when you'll have a strong leader in
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  Speaker 3: the White House, which I think Trump will be you'll
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  Speaker 3: ultimately see a greater level of global security and that's
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  Speaker 3: something we didn't unfortunately have under Jimmy Carter.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see if this applies to our local politics, because
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  Speaker 2: this coming year, twenty twenty five is an election year,
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  Speaker 2: and the polls are coming out and they're saying things
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  Speaker 2: are bad for the Labor Party. Both in New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales and Victoria. Labor has dropped in the latest opinion
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  Speaker 2: polls swung strongly against Labor and the battleground state of
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  Speaker 2: Western Australia. The trend has cut the government's primary vote
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  Speaker 2: from thirty three percent to twenty nine percent in both
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  Speaker 2: New South Wales and Victoria since the last election, putting
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  Speaker 2: a Labor on course for a feet in key electorates
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  Speaker 2: unless its stages a dramatic turnaround next year. Victorian voters
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  Speaker 2: have lifted the coalition's primary vote from thirty three to
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  Speaker 2: thirty eight percent, and New South Wales voters have increased
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  Speaker 2: their coalitions have bought thirty seven to thirty eight percent.
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  Speaker 5: And it seems to me that this.
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  Speaker 2: Business of having someone strong in government what we've been
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  Speaker 2: talking about to do with Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: and Jimmy Carter could apply here.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, is Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Are Australians looking at Anthony Albanesi and saying we want
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  Speaker 2: a stronger leader.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 6: I no, shocker, can you believe it? But I mean
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  Speaker 6: I look at some of the statistics like Victoria, for example,
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  Speaker 6: and I think have people not learnt?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like it honestly shocks me.
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  Speaker 6: I you know, I'm not one that would you know,
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  Speaker 6: run with a conspiracy and believe it to be true.
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  Speaker 6: But like, I mean, I can't believe that these votes,
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  Speaker 6: I mean the last election, like they voted Dan Andrews
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  Speaker 6: back in back after what he did during COVID, and
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  Speaker 6: I thought, how does this happen?
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  Speaker 2: The party in Victoria was a mess, There was not
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  Speaker 2: an electable opposition.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but look, honestly, I honestly think that.
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  Speaker 6: The Liberal Party in Victoria have done themselves no favors unfortunately,
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  Speaker 6: especially with what they've done with Moira, and I wonder
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  Speaker 6: whether perhaps that's why Victoria is different to the other states, because,
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  Speaker 6: to be honest, like what they did to her was truly.
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  Speaker 1: Deplorable.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, so maybe that's why that state stands differently
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  Speaker 6: to other states who are perhaps swinging more towards Liberal.
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  Speaker 2: Let's come back to Victoria in just a moment, because
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  Speaker 2: they've got a new state leader. But I'm thinking in
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  Speaker 2: terms of whether we need strong leaders and I had
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  Speaker 2: a Liberal Party your executive member say to me the
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  Speaker 2: other day. He said, kel what we need is a
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party campaign that says what Australian needs is leadership.
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  Speaker 2: What Australian needs is done. Is that the way the
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  Speaker 2: country is flowing.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a couple of points.
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  Speaker 3: I think the first thing is it is absolutely without
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  Speaker 3: question that the quality of political leadership across the Western
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  Speaker 3: world is not where it was in the time of
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  Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. I think we've seen a shift,
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  Speaker 3: and it's been a shift for the worst. Dutton incoming
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  Speaker 3: is certainly no Ronald Reagan. He's stronger and he's a
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  Speaker 3: better option and a two party in a two party
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  Speaker 3: system then Alberonizi is. But I don't think he's necessarily
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  Speaker 3: the long term answer for Australia. The other thing that
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  Speaker 3: I would say is, unfortunately, because there isn't a very
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  Speaker 3: strong alternative, we are fracing minority government in this country
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  Speaker 3: and that will be an absolutely mitigated disaster after seeing
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  Speaker 3: the lack of results the last time we had a
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  Speaker 3: minority government.
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  Speaker 6: The thing is, sorry, we have good options here in Australia.
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  Speaker 6: The problem is they're not in the positions where they
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  Speaker 6: can take power. Like I think alec Antick would be
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  Speaker 6: an incredible prime minister. I think he's I think, well,
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  Speaker 6: he's not in the right he'd have to change the positions.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know that, But why aren't the best people
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  Speaker 4: rising from.
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  Speaker 6: Well that's the good question, because like you said, I
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  Speaker 6: don't you know, out of Albanesi and Dunton. Absolutely I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to be I would vote Dutton.
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  Speaker 1: You know before alban easy.
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  Speaker 6: But that being said, like there are better options, and
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  Speaker 6: I think we need to start having conversations about shifting
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  Speaker 6: things for the better and having a real change. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I look at America and I'm inspired, and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 6: thank goodness that there's you know, chumps back in and
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  Speaker 6: I don't you know, I honestly hope Jade Vance's VP
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  Speaker 6: gets elected after him. I think he would be great.
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  Speaker 6: He's a young strong man. Yeah who I think people
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  Speaker 6: would like to follow. And I look at that and think, gosh,
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  Speaker 6: I wish We had something like that in Australia and
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  Speaker 6: new just new blood.
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  Speaker 2: And politics is the art of the possible. So bring
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  Speaker 2: it back home.
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  Speaker 1: Real well, Antiic is possible.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great twenty thirty five. He can't become prime minister.
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  Speaker 2: We are to work out where we're going now.
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  Speaker 5: The polls are.
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  Speaker 2: Telling us, and you were saying, and most commentators are
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  Speaker 2: saying the same thing. The poll numbers that I read
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  Speaker 2: out a moment ago indicate there'll be a minority government
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  Speaker 2: and that might mean a labor government.
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  Speaker 5: Supported by Greens and Teals.
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  Speaker 2: And you turn it up a sort of show of
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  Speaker 2: pale what I mean, and that sort of possibility it's
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  Speaker 2: not attractive. I wonder if those poles are right. The
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  Speaker 2: American poles got it wrong. They said it was on
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  Speaker 2: a knife edge, razor sharp, and no one could pick
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  Speaker 2: the winner. And in fact Trump came in in a landslide.
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  Speaker 2: And my guess is there are a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: out there the poles are not measuring, the people who
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  Speaker 2: were saying no, I won't take part of the pole,
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  Speaker 2: and they're people who might actually give Dutton government comfortably.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that may be right, and I'll break
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  Speaker 3: the fourth wall here, ladies and gentlemen, I know after
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  Speaker 3: speaking off camera that you said that being having a
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  Speaker 3: minority government may not necessarily be a bad thinkel and
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  Speaker 3: I just think that is absolutely bonkers. It leads to fragmentation,
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  Speaker 3: it leads to nothing getting done, it leads to squabbling.
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  Speaker 3: I can't understand how you could possibly think that minority
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  Speaker 3: government could be in any way a good thing for
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  Speaker 3: this country.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think I said.
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  Speaker 2: That, actually, so I don't think I said that. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: I just joined under the I've remained convinced that Dutton
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  Speaker 2: is going to win comfort winter. I shouldn't be saying
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  Speaker 2: things like this. Should putting my kidneys on the line,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it here? But I think it's looking at these numbers.
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  Speaker 2: If that's what the polsters are finding, I think there's
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  Speaker 2: a margin the pulsters are not finding who could give
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  Speaker 2: Dutton a comfortable win, mind you. Alberizi says he's not
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  Speaker 2: thrown by the Boles. As far as he's concerned, they're
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  Speaker 2: perfectly okay. Here's what he had to say to the
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  Speaker 2: Australian people.
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  Speaker 7: What I'm worried about is helping fellow Australians. I've been
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  Speaker 7: underestimated my whole political life, and I'm focused on making
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  Speaker 7: a difference for costs of living. I'm making a difference
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  Speaker 7: for plans that we have going forward.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming that raised in a housing commission came up
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  Speaker 3: to staffter that and we didn't have quite time to
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  Speaker 3: extend out.
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  Speaker 5: He says, will that he is being underestimated, is he?
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  Speaker 3: I think I ran in the Herald the other day
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  Speaker 3: that Albanezi is the master tactician and I just haven't
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  Speaker 3: seen much evidence of it in this first turn. With
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  Speaker 3: the voice being the obvious example of an incredible political catastrophe,
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  Speaker 3: he may be able to pull something out. And look,
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  Speaker 3: he's been in politics first since what ninety six and
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  Speaker 3: it does take a fair bit to be able to
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  Speaker 3: keep your seat over that time. But I haven't seen
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  Speaker 3: much evidence of the master tactician.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, In fact, he looks much more like someone
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  Speaker 2: who just can't read the room. And where most Australians are.
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  Speaker 6: I think, you know, evidence shows, particularly with his voice,
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  Speaker 6: you know referendum, that he can't read the room. He's
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  Speaker 6: out of touch with the Australian people. But yeah, I
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  Speaker 6: honestly think at this point in time it's Dutton's election
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  Speaker 6: to lose. I believe that, and like you said, well,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think that Albanese has given us a single
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  Speaker 6: reason to think that we are and underestimating him. You know,
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  Speaker 6: I think that the only problem we'll have is if
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  Speaker 6: liberal don't step up, because at the moment we really
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  Speaker 6: need a proper alternative to labor and not labor light.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I think if we're talking about anyone being underestimated, I
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  Speaker 3: still think in quiet corners of Marrickville and Green areas
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  Speaker 3: that they're underestimating Peter Dutton. I'm fascinated by the myth
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  Speaker 3: of the socially conservative liberal leader in this country. They
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  Speaker 3: said Howard was unelectable, they said Morrison's unelectable, they said
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  Speaker 3: Abbott was unelectable. They keep making the same mistake, and
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  Speaker 3: Darton is in the same mold.
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  Speaker 4: I just sense they may.
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  Speaker 3: Still be making the same mistake today because they can't
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  Speaker 3: get their head around someone like that being in a
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  Speaker 3: position of power.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, I mean, right at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 2: Albanesi period, they enjoyed portraying Dutton as being unelectable, but
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  Speaker 2: they've had to pull back from that hearing it leads
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: of the disastrous loss in the Voice and the fact
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: that Dutton keeps scoring points. Yeah, and when he proposes
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: nuclear power, people keep saying, oh, that's interesting, that's worth
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: thinking about.
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: Talk about that some more.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you are still in their heart of hearts.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: I just can't don't think they could possibly get the
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: head around a Christian Conservative being in that position.
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: But look, we will see.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, well let's see what the Treasurer has to say.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Because Jim Chalmers is going to be front center trying
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: to sell the economic performance of the Albanesi government.
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: That's not going to be easy.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: So what is telling Australians is, in fact, we've never
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: had it so good as Australians.
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: It's gone. We've had a tough We're.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: Really pleased the twenty twenty four is over, but that's
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: behind us now and good times are just around the corner,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: are they ever?
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: One?
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: Oh, it's easy for people who have their salary paid
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: by the tax.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: Of course politicians like this can make bold statements like
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: this because they are essentially no consequences, you know, to
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: losing this salary so to speak. You know, But I
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: think Australians are very much tired of lip service. I think,
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: you know, leading into the election and all of these
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: promises and everything, people just don't really care what politicians
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: have to say anymore. They all want to see tangible action.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: People want to be able to pay for their electricity bill.
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: People want to be able to put food on the table.
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: People would like to you know, their kids to be
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: educated in school and not indoctrinated.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: It's very simple. And so I think lip service.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: Isn't going to do them any favors again. You know,
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: they've got four years essentially of the same thing if
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: we vote for them again. And I'd think the last
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: four years have been incredibly difficult for most of Australians.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: And I like to ask a question, if we can
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: have better days, and they can promise this better days,
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: then why haven't they already because they're in power now.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So what's different?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it was overseas. I mean it was the Ukraine War.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: It was things that were happening.
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: Ills for something that was overseas, it shouldn't have affected
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: our country the way.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: That it did.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that didn't work for it, She soon out. It
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: didn't work for Joe bid Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: Because voters don't have memories of goldfish.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: They still remember the inflation that five seven, six, seven,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: eight percent, and just because it may be going down
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: a bit, they remember the hurt for me.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: And I can't take credit for this.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: I was speaking with Joe Hockey the other day and
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: he basically said, this election is two opposing trends hitting
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: each other's. On one side, Australians generally give first term
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: governments a second go. We haven't elected, we haven't booted
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: out a first term government since nineteen thirty two.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: It's a long We're also a nation is very scared
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: of change.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: We are are, so you put that on one side
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: and on the other side, fourteen out of the fifteen
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: largest elections in the Western world in recent history have
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: all gone to the challenger over the incumbent. There is
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: a global mood of resentment for the ruling political power
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: and there is a mood for change. So it really
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: comes down to which one of those trends is going
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: to be busted.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: I think history also shows as a tendency with governments
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: to go from very progressive to very conservative. It's like
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: this big, you know, rollercoaster that goes around and you know,
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: you get a really super conservative government and then you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: generations go through.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: That and they rebels.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Conservatism is where the swing is going at the moment
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: on a global basis in America, not not in Britain,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: but for distinctive local rule.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Niger Faraj falled it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: Apart basically what happened in Britain. So yes, it could
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: be that.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I think the other problem that Jim Chalmers has got
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: as a treasure up is he doesn't sound like a
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: treasure up. He sounds like an economic commentator on the sidelines.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: So when he says people in Australia are doing it tough,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: he's making a comment. He's not doing anything about people
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: doing it tough. He's telling us, as a commentator on
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the sidelines, what's going on. When he says, well, it's
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: been tough so far, but it'll be good around the corner.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Things are going to get better, he sounds again like
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: an economic commentator, not like a treasurer who actually has
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: his hands on the leavers will.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, this is the tragedy of monern Australia and
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: it's not just the Labor Party. We can't do reform anymore.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: When was the last big economic reform? Maybe the GST
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: was that twenty years ago, now twenty five years ago.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: We can't do economic reform and we've got an economy
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: which is stagnating. We have tried to cheat economic growth
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: by getting more and more immigrants in because we haven't
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: bothered to think about productivity, Labour can't do it. To
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: be honest, I haven't heard much from the Liberal Party
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: about economic reform. Whe's Angus Taylot, what's he doing these days?
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: But we need to get serious about this in this
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: country and at the moment I'm not hearing anything about it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: We talked a little while ago about Victoria. Let's go
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: back to Victoria because Victoria has a new label, a
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: new Liberal leader, a job pursued having made a series
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: of bad judgments, has lost the position. The new Liberal
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: leader in Victoria, Brad Baton, has come out strongly in
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: support Peter Dutton. Now Brad Baton, like Duttner the former
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: police officers, as are you evalent police.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: And hold it against me? Yes and no? Okay. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: it's a double edged sword.
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: So there is a time and a place for somebody
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: like Dutton and Baton for example, Victoria at the moment
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: is having.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: A huge surge in crime.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: So perhaps somebody with his mentality, his experience, the way
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: that he would fight these sorts of things could be
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: a good thing in cleaning up the crime that we're
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: seeing in Victoria. But unfortunately, what happens with politicians who
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: have a law enforcement background, there's a tendency that they
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: go from policing criminals to policing civilians. That's a good
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: point and what I saw with Dutton. Now, like I said,
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: I'm not here to rag on Dutton, but I was
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: very disappointed in his response to social media for kids.
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: He wanted to use digital identification as a means to
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: police children accessing these things.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Now, that to me is.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: A typical cop and a typical cops mentality, you know.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: So we basically sacrifice our basic human rights, our freedoms,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: our liberty is things that our ancestors fought and died
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: and bled for and we just throw that for I guess,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: ease of policing things, you know. And so I think
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: we have to be really careful when we elect politicians
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: like this to keep them in check and remind them
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: that they work for civilians. Now, and to not police civilians.
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: And so I think, you know, something like this could
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: be good, but it needs to be really kept accountable
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: and in check, and the voters and the people and
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: the people around these men will play a really important
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: role in making sure that they do that well.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Will You've got two people who both have a similar background,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and we don't know a lot about Bread and yet
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: he still remains a bit of a mystery to us
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: to a large extent. But if he's on the same
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: page as Peter Dutton, if he's going to be pushing
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in Victoria in that direction, the labor
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: in Victoria, we know he's on the nose.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, is that a.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Good thing for the twenty twenty five election as far
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: as the Liberal Party is concerned. Does that mean there
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: are really seats in Victoria that are vulnerable that could
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: be picked up by the federal Liberal Party.
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, to be honest.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Most people in state politics are lightweights, so it's not
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: exactly like we're picking, you know, from the cream of
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the crop. But what I really want to get back
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: to what Evelyn said, because the question.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: I have is whether Australia as.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: A nation really is that uncomfortable with authoritarianism today? Are
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: we uncomfortable with having the cop who will take away
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: our freedoms bit by bit in the position of premier
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: or the position of Prime Minister. Because I think from
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: what we see saw during COVID and what we've seen
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: during the response to the Misinformation and Disinformation Bill, I
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: don't see a lot of freedom fighters out there. We
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: saw a crocodile and d at the end of Danika's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: show there we may see it if we're lucky at
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: the end of our show. And I think that version
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: of Australia, the irreverent, laid back, anti authoritarian, lucky country,
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: may not be there. So you know what, maybe the
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: authoritarian is what the people want.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Well, let me give you a thought on that, because
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: we've got a We've got a convict background, and I
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: think two things flow out of the convict background. The
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: first is that convicts would not give the boss.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: A hard time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: They're not going to argue with the bloke who's got
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the whip in his hand or who's holding the gun.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: They don't do that. But underneath they are never in agreement.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: They are often rebellious. I know we're told we were
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: really we just gave in over COVID. We just did
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: whatever we were told. But I suspect there was a
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: lot of quiet rebellion going on. We were told, for example,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: here in Sydney there was a limited number of killing
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: it as you were allowed to drive now at the
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: risk of some sort of post hoc arrest. I need
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to admit that my wife and I lived slightly beyond
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that from.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: Our daughter, and we just ignored it. We just went there.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: We didn't tell anyone, We didn't complain, we didn't didn't
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: write letters to the newspaper, didn't bring up the talkback shows.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: We just did what we wanted to do if we
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: thought we could get away with it. That's the convict mentality. Well,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: if you could get away with it, you'd do it.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And so you appear to be complied on the surface,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: But underneath the old convict mentality says we'll get away
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with what we can get away with, and I suspect
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of that actually happened.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Well, let me wrap a bow around this by saying,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: or quoting the great Clive James, who said, the problem
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: with Australia isn't so much that we had descended from convicts,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: so that we're sended from Jaylor's and I see the
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Jaler mentality as Clive James saw at thirty or forty
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: years ago.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: While we're on the Victorian Labor Party, the Victorian alp
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: has been accused of getting into gutter politics after launching
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a highly personal social media attack on Coalition Opposition leader
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton and his wife. Opposition Home Affairs spokesman James Patterson,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a Liberal senator from Victoria, Is, called on Prime Minister
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi to take this grubby.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: Meme down immediately. Evelyn.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: They've used his wife's comment that Peter Dutton there's not
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: a monster to give them to use against him.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: What do you think about this?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Look?
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: I honestly think if you're in the spotlight, you've probably
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: come to expect this sort of tactic from the opposition.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Should you expect it?
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: You know, I think we live in a I think
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: we should have a lot more freedom to express things.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody should really be above jokes.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, it seems desperate, it seems distasteful, it doesn't
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: seem very classy. But you know, hypothetically speaking.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: You know, and I'm not saying Dutton is a monster
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: But I don't think anybody in a political spectrum should
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: be above us looking in their personal life. Like I said,
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: if I have somebody who's telling me how to live
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: my everyday life, I want to make sure that they're
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: you know, a decent person. That being said, like I said,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: it just seems really lacking tact and desperate.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: And also there's no history of this kind of thing
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: really in Australian politics. We've tended not to do that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Let's go overseas now, because this year marks the eightieth
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz by the Allies in
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: the form of the Soviet Army when they marched into
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the camp in January of nineteen forty five. Soviet troops
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: entered Aschwitz on January the twenty seventh, nineteen forty five,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: a date which is now marked as International Holocaust Remembrance Day. Now,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: this year is an important ceremony because it's the eightieth
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: anniversary and special solemn ceremonies will be held at Auschwitz
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: in Poland. But will the leaders of Israel be.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Allowed to attend?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: The Polish government has announced that if Israeli Prime Minister
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Benjamin Netnyahu sets foot on Polish soil, he will be arrested.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: That is using the ICC's arrest warrant for supposed war crimes.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: Will your reaction.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: It's a face.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: It's an absolute disgrace for a democratically elected leader who
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: has been fighting a just war. But I think this
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: makes a even greater or. This tells an even greater
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: story around Australia's involvement in the ICC, which is no
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: longer tenable. In my opinion, this is the final straw
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Australia should be rethinking it's obition. We had Alexander Downer
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: come out the other day with Tony Abbott and said
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: if they could have considered what the ICC would have
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: become today, yes.
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: They wouldn't have got they wouldn't have.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Gone into it.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: This was meant to be effectively for dodgy countries that
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: didn't have proper judicial systems and to sort out bad
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: people there. It wasn't to target democratically elected leaders in
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: the middle of fighting just wars against Barbarrack votes.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Should should let ya who simply defy the Polish government
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and turn up on Polish soil and say if you
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: dare arrest me.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure, to be honest, that something like that
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: would benefit the war in the Middle East at all.
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, I guess the question is, how doesn't any
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: yahoo move forward from this?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: How do you?
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: Because I mean, it's not going to run away, it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: not going to escape, it's not going to be a race.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: So how does a democratically elected, you know, politician deal with.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Matters like this?
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: I wouldn't even know to tell you the truth. But
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: does he fight it? Does he get it removed? Would
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: that be a way that a democratic politician could prove it?
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Certainly, certainly limits the holiday options if nothing else, basically
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Florida or nothing.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: But it looks dodgy.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, the warrants they have issued look extremely doubtful
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: and extremely dubious and based on very poor evidence and
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: very poor investigation.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: And it should be easy for him, I guess, to
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: go and defend that and get it. I mean, I
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: don't believe that these courts are objective or impartial. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: think we've seen historically speaking that they are very subjective.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: They've been influenced by outside sources. And one of the
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: things that you need to remember with justice is that
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: there are very strong pillars that.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Hold up the courts of justice. Some of those things
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: are being objective.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: And impartial, not having outside influence. And once that those
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: pillars get cracked and fractured, the entire.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Justice system comes down.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: So I fully believe that these courts are not those
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: things and it's not just. But that being said, I
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: also don't think we should be a part of it
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: at all. I think it's just another arm of globalism.
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: It's just like the UN, just like the WHO.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I think that democratic nations like you mentioned as well.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: Should it cause it so bad to themselves? Do need
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: to be challenged? I mean, how would this be for
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: an idea?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Net Yaho flies to the United States, where they've said
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: they will not arrest him, and then he joins a
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: President Trump's party and flies with President Trump's party and
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: all of his team to Poland. I mean, in the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: middle of the Americans, with the most powerful man on
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: earth present by his side, with the Poles. Dare arrest
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Net and Yahoo. Just an idea, maybe they could give
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it a go. Coming up after the break. If you've
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: got an air conditioning system, but you're plugged into the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: wrong sort of a meter, a digital meter, your econ
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: could be turned off.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: On a very hot day.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Back more than eight thousand Queensland householders had the cooling
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: function on their air conditioner turned off, not by them,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: but remotely by their electricity supply energets. And it happened
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: on a sweltering Sunday earlier this month. And this was
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the fifth time this big brother style of divention that
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: happened this year. Once you allow your energy supplier to
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: fit a digital meter to your electricity box, they are
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: in control. What was it the ball used to say
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: resistance is futile. They can remotely turn off part or
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: all of the electricity being fed into your house. Look
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: will how sinister is this? I mean what they do
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: is they come along and say, we've got this better
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: electricity meter. It will save you money and we'll give
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: you a special disc out of four hundred dollars.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Can we install it? I think we should say no.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: I think you're looking at the wrong source of evil.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think this is the fault of the energy company.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: The fact is there's not enough energy to go around
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: in Queensland, and there's not enough to go around in Australia.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: We have governments that are going all in on.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Renewables without the large scale battery storage to be able
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: to actually do it, and there is not enough energy
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: for energy X to go around, So say that that
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: or large wide scale blackouts. I don't see what else
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: they can possibly do here. The issue is government policy,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: the issues. It's still suicidal zero and unfortunately the private
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: sector has been compromised as a result.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: But we're still giving people outside our house the power
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: to control our house. And even though you're right the
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: rest of the background, everything that you said is perfectly correct,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: We're not going to have enough power in the system
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and it's not going to come up the right times
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: because we're.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: Not getting dispetchable power. Despite all of that, we can't
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: give into this kind of control.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And my understanding is they signed up for an energy
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: rebate and I think you get about four hundred bucks off.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: He chose to put this in.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: So that's the sale.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: But as long as they know what they're signing up for,
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: and I don't know how well this was communicated, it
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: could have been very dodgy on the energy company's part.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they knew what they were signing
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: up for, then I say, you know, Bybyware.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: I think this is a really good lesson in why
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: precedent is so important.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: And I harp on about this all.
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: The time, but I look back at COVID for example.
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to really press on that, but some
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: of the legislation that was used to enact these draconian
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: measures and arbitrary laws was enacted in Australian legislation.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: In there was some in nineteen fifty six.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: In New South Wales it was twenty ten, and it
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: was only being used in you know, like decade later.
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: And so this is such an important lesson in why
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: precedent matters.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Because you might.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: Think, you know, it's you know, the difference between analogue
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: and digital, like who cares, But you're right, Kel, there
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: is a precedent that we act unfortunately, because of what
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: history shows, particularly with big government, is that they take
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: far easier than they give back, and big governments continue
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: to grow until there's a revolution against them. You know,
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: you can vote you way into tyranny, unfortunately, but you have.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: To fight your way out of it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: So precedent is so important when and I hate that
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: we have to look at these things, but when you
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: are signing over these things. We should be using a
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: lot of discernment and a lot of wisdom and go
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: how could this be used against me and my family
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: in the future. And it's sad that we live in
• 32:51
  Speaker 6: a first world nation and we have to think this way,
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: but I think that we do. And I think the
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: first thing Australians also need to stop saying is that
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: we're a first world nation.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, what may the first world country? A first
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: world You.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Have power, you have electricity, you have comforts. You don't
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: just have necessities.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: You have going in the wrong direction because we're not
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: going to have dispatchable power under this wind plus sola
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: plus backward.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: That's exactly my point when.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Time, I don't want to sign a deal in which
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: someone sitting in an office somewhere else says, oh, tonight
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: will turn off the fridge.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Then don't sign tonight.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: We'll turn off the TV and don't sign it. Well,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to. I'm wondering whether to. Too many
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: of the difficult details are in small print at the
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: bottom of the post. I think we've all signed insurance policies.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: We know that, and I think that that may be fair.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: That may be fair.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: I think that the bigger point here is there is
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: a political opportunity for the conservative governments of Australia to
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: say this sort of thing isn't about greedy corporates, which
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: is what labor is doing at the moment.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: It is about energy policy.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And at the moment I haven't heard the response from
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the state government there to say that this is an
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: energy policy issue, not a greedy corporate issue. But we
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: need to start having that conversation to start winning hearts
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: and minds to say that net zero suicide and this
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: stuff that's going to happen more and more unless we
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: change course on policy.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the size of your power bill,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: because if you're a bit worried about the size of
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: your power bills, then Australia's Competition and Consumer Commission say,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: welcome to the club, Welcome on board. Nice to have
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you as one of the members. Who's got a problem.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: The power price shock. The ACC warns that households are
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: paying too much. Most of us are doing that kind
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of thing. We are missing out, They're saying, most of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: us are in the wrong sort of deals. So there
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: were reductions in the wholesale price of electricity in twenty
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: twenty four. Many of us didn't get them because we're
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: stuck in deals where we don't get the best prices.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Everyone tell us about your power.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, it was shocking.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: I nearly had to take out a mortgage just to
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: pay for the last one. Yes, you know, I live,
• 34:48
  Speaker 6: you know, on a working farm, like we perhaps have
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: more expenses than you know, your average residential home in suburbia.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: But that being said, it was well in excess of
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: over two thousand dollars for a quarter. And I was
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: literally walking around my property looking for a leaking hot
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: water that could potentially be doing it. We have to
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: pump water to our house. We don't have we are
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: off tank, so I was thinking maybe the pump was
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: broken and got frozen. This is how I had to think,
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: and it was just crazy. I was calling people asking
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: them to come and check my meter because it seemed
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: so unbelievable to me that just me and my small family,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: like there are larger families out there, could be spending
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: so much money. And I was looking for discrepancies. But unfortunately,
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: if you look around, so many people are in my
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: position where they're in such shock with this. But I
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: think this goes down to what you were saying, will
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: I think so many of these problems are because of
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: our poor policies that.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Our government are putting in around power.
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: Unless something changes, businesses are going to go broke because
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: businesses are spending tens of thousands of dollars for their electricity,
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: like that's unsustainable.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Well, and this will sound callous, but Australian can seems
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: need to feel the pain of high energy to recognize
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: that this is the cost of net zero. So when
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: we've seen the polls in the last ten years, do
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: you want to do something about climate change? Ninety percent
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: of people go yeah, sure, But then we haven't put
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: consciously said this is going to.
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Be the cost.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: I think people knew the practical ramifications of what that meant.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: It sounds nice, surely that's happening now now people build.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: Now people are saying, ah, this is what net zero
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: costs me.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: This is the tipping point. And we've seen something interesting
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: in the UK as well, where there's been a story
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: over the last three or four months where the winter
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: fuel allowance for pensioners has been taken away because they're
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: basically trying to fund the net zero scam. And as
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: a result of that, there's been this very successful and
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: very fair campaign to say that the Labor government in
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: the UK is letting pensioners freeze to death over winter.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: These are the types of stories that, unfortunately, as sad
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: and tragic as it is, we need to hear if
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: we're going to say, look, we need to stop this nonsense.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: We need to have cheap, reliable power and we're not
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: going to get that through net zero.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: And the other side of this renewable energy story is
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: what not just what we're experiencing, but what the people
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: who are having the sources of this thrust on them.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Another proposed wind farm development has been shelved. The partners
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: behind a contextous plan in South Australia have quietly pulled
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: out of the project. There have been proposals around Australia
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: that this sort of thing should happen, and Albanizi government's
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: advocacy for this sector's.
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: Been a reliance on wind power.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Now, is this evilent the big Chris Bowen project, the
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: wind and solar plus batteries just steadily coming apart of
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the seams.
• 37:34
  Speaker 6: I think it's been coming apart at the seams for
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: quite a while, and I mean This isn't the only
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: wind farm in Oberon, New South Wales. They're planning on
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: doing the largest wind farm in the state. I think
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: that there's over two hundred and fifty of these wind
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: tower things that are actually taller than the centerpoint tower.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: You've got farmers around the area who are getting paid
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: up to eighty thousand dollars just because the shadows that
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: hit over their house and they've got to live with it.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of this is a joke.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: I look back at you know, when we had the
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: internet broadband. Do you remember when you used to have
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: to dial it up and you'd sit there and it
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: would dial. When they made the shift from broadband to
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: Wi Fi, did any of us have any problems or
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: did we go yep.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Let's quickly do that. Why because they had.
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: A reliable alternative. And unless they have a reliable alternative,
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: they need to scrap this renewable energy and they need
• 38:25
  Speaker 6: to just do coal. And I know that's a dirty
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: word and all that to say that, but until we
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: have reliable, affordable, renewable, clean energy, bad luck. Because people
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: are struggling, people are in poverty. You've got grandparents who
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: are freezing to death, they're telling us next year that
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: what we have to do is start stocking up on firewood.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: What the heck is that?
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Will The problem is trying to sell what everyone's took
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you about coal fired power.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I think nuclear is the way to go receptible.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, would the political climate wear that these days?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I think they will wear it if the cost of
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: energy reaches a point where people are suffering badly enough.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: And I think we are reaching that point.
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: We're very socialist country that I think people in their minds,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: especially in Australia, have been duped into thinking.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: That the government will get them out of any problem.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Well in that it's a big struggle.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: We're going to have to get through that requires political persuasion,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: and probably a level of political persuasion that is beyond
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: the political players in our system at the moment. Can
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I just make one other point which I think I
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: think that the story here is that some environmental groups
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: were saying that the whales would be affected or something
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: like that, you know, coral or whatever. And I think
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: it's a really interesting insight into how climate hysteria has
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: replaced genuine environmentalism. I generally haven't really kind of had
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: much a truck with Greenpeace, but in this instance fair play.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: If you're going to chuck big metal, spinny things, you know,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: the dark satanic mills of the modern age, as Tony
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Abbott called them, in the middle of natural environments, that
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: is terrible.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: I have a name for this will It's called right
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: wing environmentalism, and I'm all for it, I think. And
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: we can touch onto that right wing environmentalism, which is
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: being a good steward of the land that we've been
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: given and of our earth, being good steward at it.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Right Who wouldn't want to do that?
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: Who wouldn't want to have a better solution to trash
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: and rubbish being in ocean?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to do that?
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: But you know what, wind farms out of the ocean
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: is also not I never thought.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: I'd say this on national television.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Noel happily chain myself to the trees where the next
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: kind of bunch of these big metal turbines are being
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: thrown in. We'll do it as a big Sky News
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: initiative to say that we're not going to stand for
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: climatista anymore if we're going to destroy our natural environment
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: in the process.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Okay, and we will be the first one to be
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: shaved up.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: We will just be standing by applauding, shaying what a
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: hero you are to us.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Will I never thought i'd say save the trees on national.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Really big issue that no one is actually facing is
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: what we need in our system is what is called
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: dispectable power. In other words, the demand has to week
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: will the supply. If the supply is too high, that
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't work. If the demand is too high, that doesn't work.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: You have to be able to match them. That means
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: turning off the supply when you don't have high demand,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: turning it back on when demand increases. You cannot do
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: that with windmills and solar panels. It doesn't work. You
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: can do it with coal, you can deal with nuclear,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: you can deal with gas.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: You can even do it.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: With hydro by bringing another pump online. But with wind
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and solar, the electricity comes when it comes, when the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: wind blows, when the sun is shining.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: So if you don't have.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Dispatchable power, you don't have a system whose engineering is controllable.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: So the whole fundamental business, it seems to me, is flawed,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: and no one is explaining that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I don't have anything more to add
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: to that, because I don't think anyone is capable of
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: explaining that, and that's both the political skill or the
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: political courage to be able to do that in our
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: current climate. Maybe someone like an alexanderik is that person,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: but there aren't many.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: Perhaps you years.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Let's turn to a really serious and very worrying problem.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Hand Sanitizer could soon be placed under lock and key
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: in the Northern Territory after Police Commissioner Michael Murphy discovered
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: that people are drinking and sanitizer evel the need for
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a band tell us about the social problems in the
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Northern Territory.
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: Well, this just shows that this is a symptom of
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: a far greater problem.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: As a nation.
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: I think Australia and a lot of nations in the West, we.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Are very sick. We are very spick, sick physically.
• 42:17
  Speaker 6: We are very sick emotionally, We're very sick mentally and spiritually.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: And I think this is a second quicksit.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: The people in the room, we're doing okay. There are
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: problems in specific places. There's problems the big social problems,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: aren't they.
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: There are specific niche problems everywhere, but the same problem
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: is a lot of people are turning to things in
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: our society to escape from reality because people haven't been
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: given mechanisms to cope and etc. So that we could
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: dissect that psychologically. But it is an incredibly sad situation.
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: You know, when I was in law enforcement, I did
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: some work with indigenous communities and very sadly I witnessed
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: this firsthand. There were small children, like heart breaking, who
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: would walk around with blisters in a circle shape from
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: their nose to the bottom of their lips because they
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: would have old milk bottles filled with glue and they
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: would be smelling them. This is a problem that's been
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: around for a long time. Perhaps hand sanitizer because of
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: you know what we saw, it's more readily available. But sadly,
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: these problems have been happening for a while. I think
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: the big elephant in the room is how we deal
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: with these problems. And unfortunately, white man like people you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: like us who come from British ancestry, who came here
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: as convicts. Like we said before, our hands are kind
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: of tied because if we were limited in what we're
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: able to do to help these communities. And I think
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: Jacinta Price has said this before and you mentioned it
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: as well, Kel, that we need to be looking at
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: welfare not by the color of your skin or what
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: your DNA, your blood an ancestry says, but by what
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: you know who's in need at the time, and get
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: rid of that sort of racial lens.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: And in doing so, we and Australians could.
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: Help these communities more. But if we, you know, we're
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: seen as colonizers. If we dare step into an Indigenous
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: community and say they're not living how they should be living.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, as a police officer, I would be saving
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: babies from situations. I remember, you know there were drug
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: addicts injecting their newborn babies because they were born with addictions,
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: and I would go and take the baby from that situation.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: But I was the colonizer, and you know, how.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Dare I do this?
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: And so we've had this horrible social perception if we
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: dare try and help these communities, and I think until
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: we address that elephant in the room, and until we
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: scrap this idea that we're doing it because we're racist,
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: we're not going to deal with the big problem.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Can I suggest that it isn't really racist? I mean,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: I went on to the Message Albert Hospital, which is
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: a home for homeless men in Sydney, to do a
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: story with the film crew once and there was a
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: chap there who introduced himself to me. He was a
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: former ABC journalist, so I had I worked with him
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: YEWS earlier and this is where he got to And
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: while I was talking to him, he picked up a
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: bottle of methylated spirits and began to drink from it.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: It was chilling. I mean, how can anyone do that
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: sort of thing?
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: But he had got into a position personally where he
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: wasn't coping with life, and this is what he was doing.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: Now, they've got to worry when.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: There are people of any race, in any situation who
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: get to that level of despair that all they can
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: do is blot everything out.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but those acts of despair are happening disproportionately and
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: remote Indigenous communities. That are happening because of the lack
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: of opportunities. They're happening because of terrible parenting. They're happening
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: because shockingly high rates of abuse. And I think on
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: the right we need to have the courage to call
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: this out and say that these are problems.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: They are backed by data, and we need to be
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: able to address that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: I think evelyn K you're exactly right in saying that
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: this is an issue of courage on the right. I
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  Speaker 3: think we saw during the Voice campaign increasingly more people
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  Speaker 3: get the confidence to say that. But unfortunately, and the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: great tragedy of the Voice campaign is it used up
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  Speaker 3: all of the political capital in the Indigenous affairs debate
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  Speaker 3: and now one of the last time you really started
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: hearing serious policy and issuates about digitous affairs from Albanezi
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: and Co. They've moved on despite it being the great
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  Speaker 3: moral challenge eight months ago.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: May I make one other point, so Michelle, just about this.
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  Speaker 6: Another thing that I think is really important for us
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: to identify and recognize is that we've essentially set up
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  Speaker 6: generations of children in these communities that we're seeing, you know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: these unprecedented numbers in.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: These indigenous communities.
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  Speaker 6: We've basically told them through the Voice referendum that unless
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: you have this, and unless Australians vote yes to this,
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: you've got no hope of ever having a voice in
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: this country. Really, and that's a really big thing for
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: those kids being raised with that in the back of
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: their mind. Not only have we said that to them.
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  Speaker 6: We've also basically said to kids in those communities that
• 46:47
  Speaker 6: we all hate you and that you've got no hope
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  Speaker 6: in no future.
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  Speaker 1: It's an unwinnable game.
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  Speaker 6: So of course they're going to step back and go, well,
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  Speaker 6: why would I bother if I try?
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  Speaker 1: And it's not going to get me anywhere anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's the message we've said, But this
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: is just the service is a very big, complicated issue
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: and we can't deal with it all here. After the break,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: we will come back and we'll have a look at
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: what damage WOKE can do a part of the fun
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: in our lives now, we've talked about some fairly serious
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: and even fairly grim topics on the program. I'm just
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: looking at you. I think you hit cheering up now.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: So let's think for a moment about Crocodile under It.
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  Speaker 2: It's got to be a classic movie, the perfect holiday movie,
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  Speaker 2: or so you might think. But Channel five in the
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: United Kingdom decided Crocodile Dundee is politically incorrect and they've
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: chopped about ten percent out of the movie. The audience
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: was terribly upset about this.
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  Speaker 5: Will you live in London?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: We will hold you personally responsible for Channel five days?
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: What are they up to?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: The workmind virus is a very powerful thing.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: Help and look, thankfully the work mind virus has not
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: made its way into the Sky News studio quite yet.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: We're going to do the extraordinarily courageous.
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  Speaker 3: Thing in twenty twenty four of showing you a clip
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: of crocodile Dundee, I think we've got three to go.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: It's got a nice.
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  Speaker 4: Nice that's a nice shock horror ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 1: I think I need to get counseling after that.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, what's the violence is it?
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I've got no idea why they thought that was outrageous,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: because all it is is one of the classic lines
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: in the movie. Beautiful piece of writing, and the comic
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: delivery is absolutely perfect. They pulled out other things in
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: which I think Mick Dundee encountered a trans woman and
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: when he just thought she was backed off. Well, of
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: course that would horrify everyone these days, wouldn't it?
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: It would look Look.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: The good thing is these sorts of stories are turning
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: people against the woke mind virus very quickly. They are
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: actually a very good thing to get this movement past us,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: which I think is getting past.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Us will be the death.
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  Speaker 6: It is the death of satire, and we're seeing the
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: fruits of that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: Can I say the good news is I think work
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: is dying.
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: I think, well, Kell stupidity can't sustain itself.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Look, I think the worst of work is almost gone. Hopefully.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Okay, the news is good. We've ended on a cheerful note.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Next up on Sky to use the documentary Shandy Story
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: The Search for Justice.