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Is the Government Gaslighting Us About UFOs? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theory podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Hidar.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me his co host this week. Oo,
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  Speaker 2: my favorite co host of all no co hosts. But
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  Speaker 2: I do have a guest in the room. Zach Johnston
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  Speaker 2: is here.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing, Adam. It's been too long and
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready to talk about the UFOs.
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  Speaker 2: Uf UFOs. I mean, we're not allowed to call them
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  Speaker 2: that anymore. They're UAPs. Now, please show some respect.
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  Speaker 3: I refused. No, okay, u aps, u aps. I won't
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  Speaker 3: be that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Zach was on an episode not too long ago. It
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  Speaker 2: was a few months ago. I don't remember what we
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  Speaker 2: talked about. It was a similar episode to this where
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  Speaker 2: we're we're just riffing. There's no notes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were. We went into how social media is
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  Speaker 3: sort of like mk ultra a two point zero.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sure, sure, I should have remembered that because we've
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  Speaker 2: been touching on that a little bit on this show
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  Speaker 2: again recently.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and surely in the last few months, social media
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  Speaker 3: hasn't caused people to have losinations and go crazy at all.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, social media is pretty chill right now. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's a pretty it's it's almost like a resort for
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  Speaker 2: your brain. Kind of getting on social media these days,
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  Speaker 2: it's really nice.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's all sunglasses and shoes I want to buy
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  Speaker 3: and nothing else.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's Instagram for me. It's just stuff I
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  Speaker 2: want to buy and people I ignore, and then, you know,
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  Speaker 2: just shopping. That's it's the only that's the only thing
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  Speaker 2: social media is good for anymore, is shopping.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. But yeah, man, let's talk about all this
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  Speaker 3: extraterrestrial adjacent shipman, because I have some opinions and I
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  Speaker 3: want to express them, and I'm sure you do too.
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  Speaker 2: You have some opinions on our current UFO crisis? Is
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  Speaker 2: that what we want to call it? What do we
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  Speaker 2: call it?
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  Speaker 3: If you want to call a conspiracy to gaslight the
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  Speaker 3: public a crisis, then perhaps yeah. But yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for me, it's a funny thing. Is what was it
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  Speaker 3: this summer maybe last spring when that government official went
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  Speaker 3: before Congress and I found it just baffling that the
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  Speaker 3: narrative that came out of that was like government amidst
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  Speaker 3: aliens are real, and it's sort of like, did I
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  Speaker 3: watch something different because I feel like that guy didn't
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  Speaker 3: say that at all. No, right, not even remotely.
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  Speaker 2: And he just said that the government is in possession
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  Speaker 2: of like alien crafts.
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  Speaker 3: Crafts and the other thing was non humanoid biological tissue
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  Speaker 3: or entities something like that. It's just like, so they
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  Speaker 3: have grass because that's non humanoid lotsally cool, but it
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  Speaker 3: could be anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's what's funny for me is like, so I mean
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  Speaker 3: taking it back even to like the New York Times
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  Speaker 3: thing from a couple of years back, based on very
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  Speaker 3: shitty video from what two thousand and four, two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and seven.
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  Speaker 2: The video we're seeing now, yeah, the video. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, again I see that. I think, oh, that's cool.
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  Speaker 3: But then as sort of like, but that's nothing given
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  Speaker 3: and maybe this is me being cynical. Have you seen
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  Speaker 3: a movie recently where they have CGI and make everything
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  Speaker 3: look hyper realistic?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: And you know that that uh you know ability has
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  Speaker 3: existed since the eighties. Yeah, And I think we talked
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  Speaker 3: about this on the last episode has on And I'm very,
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  Speaker 3: very reticent to believe anything the government, what's out Why
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  Speaker 3: would people take that as face as face value? Ever,
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  Speaker 3: that's my question.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of my question about conspiracy theories in general. Sometime,
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  Speaker 2: and comedian Ron Funchs has a great bit about this.
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  Speaker 2: But like it's I say this a lot, it's equally
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  Speaker 2: crazy to believe every conspiracy theory and no conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 2: like you have to admit it's somewhere in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: Like the government lies to us a lot, And whenever
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  Speaker 2: I'm confronted with that, the one I always run by
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  Speaker 2: people is, well, what about the Second War in Iraq?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think we really were going there for weapons
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  Speaker 2: of mass destruction? Or were we going there over a
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  Speaker 2: vendetta and because we wanted some oil, Like, no one
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  Speaker 2: believes our explanation for going to Iraq anymore, like, but
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  Speaker 2: that was also a coordinated government effort to lie our
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  Speaker 2: way into a war. That's a conspiracy.
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  Speaker 3: So absolutely, yeah, yeah, And it's so plain as day,
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  Speaker 3: and I don't want to get it into like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we're the bad guys or there's this sort of like
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  Speaker 3: cupball like controlling everything. But there are people who've inspired
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  Speaker 3: to make money at our expense, between business, military, industrial
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  Speaker 3: complex and the government, because that's just a fact. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you can't see that, then you might not be
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  Speaker 3: able to see much. I don't know that said. I
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  Speaker 3: think for me, especially when we're looking at like the
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  Speaker 3: UAP phenomenon now as opposed to when we were growing
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  Speaker 3: up in the eighties or even know pre that in
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  Speaker 3: the sixties with the red Scare and etcetera, etc. Seems
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  Speaker 3: to me that it's really like, hey, look over here,
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  Speaker 3: so we don't see what's going on over there. And
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  Speaker 3: there's a really good quote I found in I'll find
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  Speaker 3: it for you. It might have been in the New
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  Speaker 3: York Times or even the Guardian maybe where a journalist
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  Speaker 3: was talking with the head of General Electric and it
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  Speaker 3: was at one of those close meetings where everybody's drinking
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  Speaker 3: and having a good time and they're showing like what
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  Speaker 3: they have coming up in the future. And at that
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  Speaker 3: conference meeting, whatever you want to call it, one of
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  Speaker 3: the things that the head of General Electric says is
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  Speaker 3: they're always fifty years ahead of whatever the public thinks
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  Speaker 3: the consensus of technology is. And in that case, who
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  Speaker 3: knows what the fuck technology we have right now that
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  Speaker 3: we just don't know about? Oh yeah, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe we have something like a tic tac thing that's
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  Speaker 3: flying around like a drone that's some advanced technology, and
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  Speaker 3: they're just like, yeah, we don't really want China or
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  Speaker 3: Russia to know about that or Iran, so let's call
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  Speaker 3: it a UAP because key point, UAP does not mean extraterrestrial,
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  Speaker 3: nor never really did UFO, right, This means don't know
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  Speaker 3: what it is. And I think that gets to a
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  Speaker 3: point where talked about earlier, like I'm not from the
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  Speaker 3: point of view that we're alone in the universe, not
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  Speaker 3: that I'm a mathematician, but it's probably mathematically impossible that
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  Speaker 3: there are planets out there where primates also evolved into
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  Speaker 3: humans like we did, because there's just billions and trillions
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  Speaker 3: of opportunities for that to happen. Or dogs did, or
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  Speaker 3: you know, dinosaurs are still on some planets, or I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, diamonds did. There's so many possibilities out there,
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  Speaker 3: so I don't deny that, but thinking that they would
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  Speaker 3: come here now always feels like hubris to me, like
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  Speaker 3: why are we so special?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And it I mean people have proposed theories for that,
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  Speaker 2: and every one of them does revolve around like us
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  Speaker 2: being the most important, like if there's other life out there,
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  Speaker 2: like everyone's fucking with us, like they really want to
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  Speaker 2: come check us out. Yeah, And I don't know, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like it could go either way in terms of
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  Speaker 2: like if aliens are a thing, like have they been here?
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  Speaker 2: Because there's I mean, there's theories that they've always been here, sure,
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  Speaker 2: but what always concerns me about those theories is they
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  Speaker 2: somehow always boiled down to Oh and also the Jews,
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  Speaker 2: it's like wait, what how how do we get here?
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  Speaker 2: And even with all of this current UAP stuff, there
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  Speaker 2: are documentaries out there. We covered one not too long
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  Speaker 2: ago called UFOs and the Intelligence Community, and there was
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  Speaker 2: a guy for one thing like they have actual like
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  Speaker 2: intelligence like ex intelligence agents, which for starters, like you said, like,
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  Speaker 2: why are you trusting this documentary? It's all obvious it's
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  Speaker 2: all CIA that they're interviewing, and like the one agent
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  Speaker 2: who seems like the good guy CIA, like he's this
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  Speaker 2: kindly old Asian dude, but he's also CIA. And at
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  Speaker 2: one point he just like takes this hard pivot and
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  Speaker 2: is like yeah, Also, there's like hybrid humans out there
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  Speaker 2: who have been like in imparted with alien DNA and
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  Speaker 2: you can like see it in their DNA and it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's not going to end in genocide someday at all. Yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's scary stuff. Because there's also a guy who
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  Speaker 2: talks about how victims of aliens should get reparations. It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you're you're jumping some places in line, aren't you.
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  Speaker 3: Pal. Yeah, it's just again, it always feels like such
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  Speaker 3: a distraction because it is I think about that, it's
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  Speaker 3: buzzwords that people then can jump on and have a
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  Speaker 3: belief or a fight about, right like operations. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: that is a buzzword that gets people's cackles up and
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  Speaker 3: you're like forced to have an opinion about one way
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  Speaker 3: or another. But again, the common den denominator, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: that you did great show on that documentary by the
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  Speaker 3: way those guys, whether it's you know, the people that
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  Speaker 3: are on a Joe Rogan podcast talking about what they
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  Speaker 3: saw from their F one fighter to you know, the
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  Speaker 3: fucks they get Congress this year. Common denominator all government employees, yes,
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  Speaker 3: active or inactive. And I know, like Neil deGrasse Tysen
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  Speaker 3: has his detractors and attractors and things like that. But
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  Speaker 3: he does make a very very valid point where the
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  Speaker 3: only only pictures or video we have of any of
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  Speaker 3: this over the last twenty years is from a military plane.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there are and this is no joke, a
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  Speaker 3: million planes in the sky every day with people on
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  Speaker 3: those planes with phones and video. You told me, not
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  Speaker 3: a single pilot in the commercial airline world between ups FedEx, United,
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  Speaker 3: Mouvedoans or whatever, not once did they see anything. Not
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  Speaker 3: a single person flying on those planes sitting in the
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  Speaker 3: window seat, not once, never saw anything either. It's just
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  Speaker 3: again I'm not a mathematician, but that does seem mathematically
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  Speaker 3: impossible at this point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And even the suggestion that oh, maybe they did
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  Speaker 2: and the government stopped them from coming forward, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why would they do that if they're putting all these
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  Speaker 2: other videos out, Like yeah, that makes absolutely no sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if anything, they'd be like and look, this pilot
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  Speaker 3: from the United Airlines caught the same thing, see what
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  Speaker 3: we're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and then you're right, that doesn't that never happens.
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  Speaker 3: Never happens. And so to me, like it is kind
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  Speaker 3: of a math game at the end end of the day,
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  Speaker 3: given how many of us are in the sky constantly.
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  Speaker 3: And I know it's very easy to think, oh, it
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  Speaker 3: can't be that many people because we aren't on a
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  Speaker 3: plane every day, But again, a million flights just in
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  Speaker 3: the US, not the whole rest of the world, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and you consider what they're three and a half billion
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  Speaker 3: just in China and India they're flying two Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: that number goes up massively. And I find it just
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  Speaker 3: very dubious that only government employees through only government videos
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  Speaker 3: that are grainy as fuck in the age of CGI, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we don't know what this is. It doesn't quite wash
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  Speaker 3: for me. And then you have, you know, like the
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  Speaker 3: with the gas lighting. Part of it to me is
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  Speaker 3: the those congressional hearings where that guy didn't say anything.
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  Speaker 3: He was just like, well, I can't I've seen this,
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  Speaker 3: but I can't show you. Yeah, that's insane to me
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  Speaker 3: that that was even allowed to happen.
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  Speaker 2: And as someone who runs what I would argue is
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  Speaker 2: a relatively objective conspiracy theory podcast, shit like that always
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  Speaker 2: bothers me, Like once I hear that once someone is
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  Speaker 2: like like, oh, I got all the evidence, can I
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  Speaker 2: see it? No, you sure can't. Well fuck you, then
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I kind of don't believe you, Like that's
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  Speaker 2: that's like the Hunter Biden laptop thing.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, that's a good example.
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  Speaker 2: Like Rudy Giuliani has for the longest time been like
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  Speaker 2: there's so much evidence on there, like you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: believe it, And literally once an actual news outlet was like,
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  Speaker 2: can we see it please? His actual response was no,
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  Speaker 2: you'll just try to debunk it all And it's like, yeah, man,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's the whole point, Like they shouldn't be able
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  Speaker 2: to debunk it all.
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  Speaker 3: Right. You know it's interesting to me because I'm a
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this before, but I'm a big JFK
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  Speaker 3: sort of conspiracy fun guy, Like I don't don't really
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  Speaker 3: get into the whole deep state stuff. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: this theory you talk about a lot, but uh, the
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  Speaker 3: ballistics theory that the Secret Service agents accidentally shot JFK
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  Speaker 3: from the back when the car hit the brage or
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  Speaker 3: hit the gathing accidentally fire is AR fifteen hit him
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  Speaker 3: in the back of the head and that was the
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  Speaker 3: kill shot. That guy actually went through the math, the physics,
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  Speaker 3: the trajectory, the evidence and said this is most likely
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  Speaker 3: what happened based on the evidence. Here, here's my evidence.
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  Speaker 3: Look at it too, and you could look at it
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  Speaker 3: and be like, this makes a whole lot of sense,
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  Speaker 3: and Okay, that is something that I would like to
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  Speaker 3: see in the UF or sorry UAP, whether it be
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  Speaker 3: a congressional hearing or any of these you know kernels
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  Speaker 3: or you know fighter pilots or anybody who used to
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  Speaker 3: work at Area fifty one come up with. Because nothing,
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  Speaker 3: not a single shred of anything ever comes out that
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  Speaker 3: we can physically see. And that being said, I am,
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of reticent because of again the whole
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  Speaker 3: CGI and manipulation of pictures and things we've been able
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  Speaker 3: to do for decades to believe anything that would come
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  Speaker 3: from the government that is not actually physical like a
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  Speaker 3: picture or a video. It's like you saw Nope, I'm
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  Speaker 3: guessing right. The movie that came out last year about
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  Speaker 3: them trying to picture in the Alien, that movie fell
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  Speaker 3: apart for me at the end because it's like they're
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  Speaker 3: trying desperately to get a photograph of a UAP, where
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  Speaker 3: it's like, who would believe them? Who? In twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 3: you would think that a photograph would be believed yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and it sort of like what what why?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that reminds me of that thing where when someone's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why would a person lie about seeing a UFO and
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  Speaker 2: people are like money, It's like, no one's getting rich
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  Speaker 2: off that, what are you talking about?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but people like attention. They like to have fifteen
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  Speaker 3: minutes of fame, you know, they want to and there
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  Speaker 3: are all sorts of reasons people want that stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: that's fine. I mean, I have a firm belief that
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the abduction stuff from the sixties, seventies, eighties,
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  Speaker 3: when people could just tell stories and people be like wow, man,
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  Speaker 3: that's wild. People like attention. They like being the center
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  Speaker 3: of attention. They like having a story and you know,
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  Speaker 3: being the cool person in the room. And that's just
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  Speaker 3: unique to all of us. It's not, you know, something
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  Speaker 3: that makes them malicious right in most cases. And don't
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  Speaker 3: get me wrong, I don't think they're malicious people or
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  Speaker 3: did it out of any sort of terrible design. It's just, hey,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of want to jump on this cool bandwagon
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  Speaker 3: that appeals to me kind of in a cultish way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like when you see like an elderly retired
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  Speaker 2: military guy in a documentary like this, and you're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: why would that, Why would that adorable old man lie?
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  Speaker 2: It's like cause he used to be a lion ass
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  Speaker 2: twenty two year old exactly, and no one ever checked
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  Speaker 2: him on it, so he just carried that on into
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  Speaker 2: his adulthood. There are some truly shitty old people in
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  Speaker 2: this world. We don't fucking doubt that for a second.
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  Speaker 3: They're shitty when they're young, they're going to be shitty
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  Speaker 3: when they're old.
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  Speaker 2: And especially if you're talking like a career military guy
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  Speaker 2: like he's not. I mean, you're going to get some whistleblowers,
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  Speaker 2: but you're also going to get some dudes who someone
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  Speaker 2: pulled him aside and was like, hey, we need you
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  Speaker 2: to go out and fucking tell this story on the
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  Speaker 2: government's behalf.
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  Speaker 3: Oh for sure. So and if you're like a imagine
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  Speaker 3: you're an officer in the Air Force, you're not just
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  Speaker 3: a grunt like you've gone through university training, you've been
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  Speaker 3: in your whole life, you've had top secret clearance and
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  Speaker 3: the government comes to you or just the Air Force
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  Speaker 3: comes to you. It doesn't even have to be some conspiracy,
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  Speaker 3: shady secret service organization. It could just be Hey, this
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  Speaker 3: is your mission. You're going to go out and you're
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  Speaker 3: going to go on these podcasts and you're going to
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  Speaker 3: do these interviews and you're going to say this story
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  Speaker 3: with this video, you say, no, that you're not doing
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  Speaker 3: your job. And for a lot of people, they think
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  Speaker 3: like that this is their job. They go out and
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  Speaker 3: they do it and that's that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And people like I understand you want to be
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  Speaker 2: skeptical in life, like, but you've got to be skeptical
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  Speaker 2: of the government too when it comes to stuff like this.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing people fail to take into account.
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  Speaker 2: Like we have something like seventeen intelligence agencies. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: what do you think they're doing, Like what do you
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  Speaker 2: think their role is? Do you think it's just s
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  Speaker 2: buying or do you think they're also maybe out there
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  Speaker 2: disseminating misinformation?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like well, it like that, like mathematically speaking, it has
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  Speaker 2: to be that also, Like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and we know propaganda works, like it's not like
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  Speaker 3: some new thing like oh you hear about this propaganda thing.
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  Speaker 3: You think it will work on the masses. No, we
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: know it works perfectly on the masses when used correctly.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: And sometimes it doesn't have to be that hard. I mean,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I think this falls into the uIP discourse now because
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: there are so many people willing to take up the
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: mantle that all of this is real in that all
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: you have to do is kind of plant seeds and
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: the people will will water those seats and they'll you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: reap what that is sown, and they will spread that
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: out into the world on their own accord, without even
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: the whether it's a cloud dat sign service or the
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: government having to push them or pay them or hire them.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Because people want to believe, and they want to have
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: a story, and they want to be cool, and they
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: want to you know, some of them want fame. Some
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: of them, you know, maybe truly believe that this is
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: something that's real and need to tell the world, which
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I think people like Tom DeLong fall into where Yeah,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: I think his heart is in the right place. I
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: don't know, I'm just assuming this from the way he
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: talks about it. His heart's in the right place. But
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: I would be shocked if he was actually on a
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: payroll anywhere. I think he just really believes. And yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: again it's not malicious, I'm not decrying him, but it's
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: also like that's part of clandestine services that's part of propaganda,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: you know, going back to even if you want to
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: talk about genocide, like the Nazis weren't able to kill
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: so many people because they put people on the payroll.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: They weren't because of propaganda, and they got regular people
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: to do it without having to be forced to. Yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: and that is a similar way that this would work,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: where it's like, hey, let's just get regular people to
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: think this is real and they're going to do the
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: work for us.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that has been mentioned about Tom DeLong in
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: some UFO documentaries out there. I think it's Stephen Greer
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: who is the one who has called Tom DeLong out
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: most for just kind of like taking information that could
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: be coming from the government and that could be intentionally
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: misleading and just like running with it because it comes
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: from the government. Like government access is a motherfucker. Like
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I think that's a big problem with the media right
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: now is so many of our bigger media outlets like
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: rely on their access to the White House when it
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: comes to information, and that's inevitably going to lead to
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: them not questioning the White House the way they should
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: because they'll lose their access absolutely.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: And that's that's everybody that's not just Trump Biden or yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: that's across the board.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and yeah, there's like we've talked about the
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Mirage Men documentary a whole bunch Richard Dody. That was
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: his job was to go out and find people who
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: were interested in this and if they were onto something
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: either way, if it was UFO's he'd be like, nah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it's government shit. And if it was government shit, he'd
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: be like, now it's UFOs. And then they would give
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: those people intentionally false information, wait for them to publish it,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: and then be like, look this fucking obvious liar making
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: it bullshit.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that sort of goes to the back to
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the MK ultra of it, where it's just like just
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: you just got to know, plant those seats and the
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: people are going to water it themselves because you know what,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: LSD and the fhetamines are fun and people are going
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: to take off with it, just like UFO conspiracies are
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: fun and people are going to take off with it
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: because they're I mean, we're a similar age. I remember
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: it being a lot of fun in the eighties and
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: even into the nineties, where it was less about a
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: sort of you know, malevolent government hiding something and more
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: about like, oh man, what about the possibilities like this
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: could be so cool? And now it's sort of gotten
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: into this whole thing where it's like, I feel like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: what are they hiding from us? What are they going
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: to do to us? It's going to turn into this
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: race war where we're fighting like hybrids and you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: and like you said, it always goes back to some
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: sort of Jewish conspiracy because we can't get away from
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: that for some on fat mobile reason and the fun
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: has sort of gone away. And again it feels very
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: gaslighting as well, because they're gaslighting us. Yeah, and I'm
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: not nostalgic saying, oh, we need to go back to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: the funnel days when it was just about you know,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Steven Spielberg and you know, anal probes and that was it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: But it was always sort of a bit lighter back then,
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: while everything was lighter and almost seemed more realistic because
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: it was then. Here's my point, it was first person
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: civilian testimonials. All those people who were adducted weren't old
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: military retirees or old spooks from the CIA or you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: some somebody like that. They were like a farmer, a lagger,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you know, a diner worker who had these experiences, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: without getting into the whole psychology of what they might
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: have been transferring their trauma onto, it was still regular people, right,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and that seems to have gone away. I haven't heard
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: a single regular person in the last twenty years be
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: like I saw a tiktac ufo outside the side of
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: my plane.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you would think if there had been sightings
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: like that, they would be taken as a little more
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: credible now. So there's like I could see in like
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the eighties, if someone knocks on the New York Times
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: door and is like, I saw a fucking UFO outside
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: my backyard. Do you want to see the video? They
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: would slam the door in their face. But now, with
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: the government putting out their own UFO videos, you'd think
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: like any major outlet would be like, what do we
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: think of this one? And yeah, we're just not getting
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: any of that at all. And that's strange.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: It's curious, right, we're Yeah, And again I think, going
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: back to my point about the vastness of the universe,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: like I do kind of feel why would it even
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: be now? Like when you think about the way we
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: conceive time, is going around our star. Right, that's our
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: view of time because that's what we do. That's not
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: the time in the galaxy or the universe. That's a
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: whole different concept of time that is hard to even
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: grasp in no way an astrophysicist or can explain it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: But it is not the same thing. Yeah, And so
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: whether they're traveling about the speed a light or not
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: and getting here, not getting here, ability distance, all that
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: stuff aside. Maybe they did come here during that two
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million year period where there were just
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: big giant lizards on this planet and they're like, eh,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: well take that one off, yeah, you know, or maybe
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: they came here at billion years before that when it
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: was just volcanoes and brainstorms, you know, because that would.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Be funny if there's like an official map of the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: universe somewhere that just has us listed as the dinosaur planet, right,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and then we fucking nuke somebody someday and they're like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: what the fuck did the dinosaurs just do? And shit?
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: And that could be it. I mean, there's so much
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: time just with this planet. What is it three and
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: a half billion years or something like that. Yeah, you know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I mean there could be one hundred million year period
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: in that three and a half billion years that maybe
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: they were here and there was like, eh, there's another planet,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Sure something will evolve on it one day, and then
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: just carried on.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even the thing where people are like, well it's
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the nukes, that's what brought them here. We knewd Japan.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And then Roswell happened shortly thereafter, and then you hear
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: these stories of UFOs like hovering over nuclear silos and
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: like all of our nuclear silos went dead that night,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, if they can do all that,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: why don't they just destroy them all? Like if that's
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the concern, why wouldn't you just come down and be like, ah, nope,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: we're taking these with us. Like, if they can get here,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: they've got the capability to do that exactly.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: And also, I mean not to be what about us,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: but if they can get here, do you think they
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: think the nuclear explosion? Are spleating an atom? Is that
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: big a deal? Even? Yeah, they must have found some
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: technology that's so far beyond anything we can conceive. We're
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: spleeing the atom might be like primitive nothing, like, yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: they're only there. You know, they might have seen that
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: happen on a million day I'm talking about, like this
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: is all real, But you know they could have seen
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: that happen on a million other planets a million other times,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: with a million other evolved species that they're just like, oh, yeah,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: that's just how it goes. Sometimes.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would suck if they came down and were like, guys,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: there's a much cleaner way to kill millions of people
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: at once. Let us show you it doesn't have to be.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Like this the full Nazi UFO theory where they're like, yeah, wait,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: whose side were you on?
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Uncomfortable.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: I do also like there's also the argument where I
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: actually kind of used to buy into this argument where
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: you know, our technology advanced so much in the last
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: since World War One, really, you know, where suddenly we
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: have Bluetooth because ahead of Lamar and we have you know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: microwave technology and et cetera, USB, all this technology. But
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: it's like all that stuff was already there, Like Bluetooth
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: was in the sky. We just figured out a way
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: to use it. You know, like, yeah, so technology what
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Wi Fi is on was already there in the sky.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: We just figured out a way to harness it. Wasn't
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: necessarily something that crazy of a leap where it doesn't
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: make sense to our physics on this planet or in
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: this galaxy or what everything you want to call it.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Where that's just kind of how we advance as a species,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: you know, like we went from you know, rocks to
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: swords to guns to bombs over a very very long time.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: It seems like a short amount of time, but it
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: really wasn't. It was a long time for us, right Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: And so just because I have a mouse that has
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: a Bluetooth connection to a USB port on my computer,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I don't really see how that's extraterrestrial technology. That's just like, hey,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: we figured out how to use a wave that was
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: already in the air, right right. Microwaves are just hey,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: we figured out how to make water molecules and something
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: new faster through an electric you know, vortex in a box.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Right Yeah. All this stuff is explainable, right, And it
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: might seem magical because when it came out it was like,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: oh wow. You know, there's that very famous story when
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Tesla first showed off the remote control at a World's
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: fair where you like, remote control to boat and people
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: like ran way because it was like this crazy magic.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: They thought he was a sorcerer. Yeah, I was like, no,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: he just figured out how to send a radio snigable
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: between two antenna to control one thing. And you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: when you look at it from a science tific point
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: of view, not that crazy.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: No. And something I think about a lot and I
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: bring up a lot is when the Internet started, there
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: was this idea that, oh, once something's on the Internet,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: it's there forever, and that's not true, Like, stop paying
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: your go daddy bills and see how long your Internet
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: content stays up. And I feel like it's at least
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: possible that there have been civilizations out there who also
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: got to the point where they were like paper, we
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: don't need fucking paper. We're storing everything in this fucking
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: cloud management system, baby. And then when that civilization goes,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: that cloud shit goes too, and it's like you were
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: never even fucking there, Like that could be us someday,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Like with how we're moving toward storing shit digitally and
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: relying on the Internet to keep records, like we are
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: one someone flipping the Internet switch off away from losing
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: a whole lot of fucking history.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and knowledge, like, yeah, the reliance we have on
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: things in the cloud just to run basic stuff. Very
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: few people know how to build a lot of things
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: we rely on, and once that's gone, that's gone. I mean, yeah,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: there's also I always kind of found this reason. My
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: old man used to say this. We go like I
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: went to school in DC, and we'd be driving around
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: DC and it's all sort of Greco Roman architecture, right
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: the capital, the pillars and marble, And I was always like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: you know, this is really going to confuse archaeologist in
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: about one hundred thousan years when they're just like, wait
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: a minute. So they were over there on the Mediterranean
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: and then they disappeared for two thousand years, and then
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: they were over here in North America. I think they disappeared.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense because when you take a
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: longer view of things. He's like, well, then you force
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: it to make sense because you're like, well, they must
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: have just came back. And so people think that, you know, Washington,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: d C. Was somehow a you know, a Greco Roman outpost,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: because well, the time isn't exactly read, but what else
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: could it be, right, because that's all that's left. And
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I feel like we do that a lot with extraterrestrial stories,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: but also the technology where it's like it's got to
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: be something that we don't understand because we haven't been
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: told what it is yet. And you know, there's this
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: like really weird like mentality is like, oh, you know,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: people can't keep secrets, and you know we'd know if
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: there's some crazy technology. It's like, motherfucker. Do you know
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: how most people found out we had the atomic bomb?
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: It got dropped on their heads. Yeah, that's how they
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: found out. That's how the world found out.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a theory. I never buy the one that says, oh,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: if we had it, we people would know. It's like, one, no,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't. The government is actually very great at keeping secrets.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: And two I think once you're skeptical to that level,
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: even if someone slid a picture of it across the table,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: you're going to be like that could be photoshopped. Like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: there's for some people, there's not ever going to be
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: any believable or credible evidence on either side of the argument,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: be it UFO's or something the government's hiding. Like some
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: people just really fucking trust the government and I don't
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: get it, Like this government.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: This one for any any I don't trust the Canadians.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah either, you know, of course, you know it's funny
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: to be because I mean again, I'm trying not to
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: seem like a cynic and you know, going back to
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: the thing and note where it fellipark for me or
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: like you said, like if I saw a picture, yeah,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't believe it because I have a hard
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: type believing the tic tac video is real or has
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: merit or soilamatue, whatever you want to say. And my
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: point being is I don't know what it would take,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Like I really don't, like, I'm not sure what is
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: that physical thing that I'd be like, oh shit, this
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: is real. Maybe it is just them actually arriving being
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: like hey, we're bitch, and we're gonna blow some shit
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: up to make sure you understand this is real and
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: then we'll talk, you know. Yeah.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I was going to say they'd have to kill people
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: for it, yeah, to be real. And that kind of
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: speaks to one of the conspiracy theories that is related
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: to the idea that the government is gaslighting us about
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: all this and that it's actually just like government stuff
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: that we're seeing in those videos. There is a like
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: The granddaddy of all conspiracies is the New World Order conspiracy.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: It's been around a while, It's.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Been around a long time, and a big element of
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: that conspiracy is the idea that at some point the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: US government specifically is going to pull a false flag
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: alien attack and use that as a means to institute
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: a one world government that the United States is the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: head of. So Independence Day, Yeah, basically, and I don't know,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: like I don't I certainly don't want it to be that.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: But like there's that famous Werner von Brun I almost
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: said Werner Herzog Nope, uh Werner von Braun quote where
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: he basically says like, yeah, that's that's coming. That's how
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: we're really going to institute fascism in this country is
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: through fake alien attacks.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, And it's it's so funny because in
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: most pop culture that is seen as a good thing.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we are finally united as one to
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: face this common enemy. And first of all, we'd never
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: do that. No, Like we've never done that in the
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: past and we will never do it in the future.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Like we could barely united as one to fight the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: fucking Nazis in World War two, right, you know, like
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: it barely happened. Happened, but barely. Uh you know, we
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: were never united against the Soviets.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And then we sure didn't keep fighting the Nazis after
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: World War two and then fighted them over to help
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: us set.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Up the CIA, Yeah, NASA and fight the Soviets. MK
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: all tend to Yeah, and where were we united when
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: we were quote unquote fighting terrorism? Like, yeah, there's no
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I think said this last time, but I don't even
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: see us being as united as we were in World
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: War Two, which it wasn't universal. I don't even see
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: us being that united now. If there was a threat
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: like aliens, there would probably be just as many people
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: where it's like a it's fake man, Like it's not real.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: They're just trying to like, you know, get our resources
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: to trick us.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Well maybe that right now is the other half of
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the UFO debate. Like there's one side that's like, yeah, man,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: these these aliens are they're really really bad and we
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: got this is gonna be a problem. We're gonna have
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to fight them. And then there's another side of that
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: community that's like those motherfuckers are lying and none of
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: this is UFOs this is government shit, and they are
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be a fall flag thing. That's not
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: going to change once this happens. No, like, once they
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: show up, that half is still going to be like,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: this is the government and the other half is going
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: to be like run they're here, And here's the thing
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: they could both be right, Like, if the government does it,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: they are going to kill some people, so you will
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: have to run.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's sort of the thing where it
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: does become a level of where so many people are
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: going to die for so many stupid reasons. Yeah, it's
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: just this continual like what would be better for the
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: military industrial complex but not only a forever war, but
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: forever a forever war against the enemy that doesn't even
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: really exist.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that is what concerns me so much about
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: those suggestions about being able to see in someone's DNA
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: if they've been enhanced by aliens. Like, that's what people
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: don't take into account about that idea of oh, well,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: once we finally see it, it's going to unite us all.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: It's like unite us all in what Yeah, is it
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: gonna be administering DNA tests to people and eliminating them
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: from society, Like, is that what it's going to unite
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: us in? Because that sounds very very scary.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: It's also a really good thing. We've all been, you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: paying to give our DNA to companies that now are
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: on by Blackwater. I mean, I'm sure that will come
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: back to buy this and we ask at all.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: That is so insane to me, And it's like you're
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: fucked either way because you've probably got a family member
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: out there who's done it and that's not now. Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: like that's getting serial killers caught. It's like like what
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: if they can see that alien DNA in an entire
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: family based on one person's DNA, Like, yeah, I don't
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know why people think those DNA registries aren't
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: going to be used to round people up at some point.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: Oh for sure. I mean it's we're making it almost
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: too easy. It's such a dark thing to say, but
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: it used to have to work hard to like bit
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: a genocide against these specific group of people, like years
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: of propaganda and years of riling people up and then
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: actually carrying it out while keeping people riled up. Now
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: just like oh no, here's your call sheet, there's your list,
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: go off, do it.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's a terrifying thing to think about. And
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I think one of the big
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: problems is, so if that's happening, who's going to do
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: anything about it? Like it's not that seems like an
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: unstoppable force at this point, Like we are hungry for
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: some genocide in this country. It seems like like someone's
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: gonna fucking get it soon.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: No pun intended, but it is in our DNA to
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: do some badass genocide.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it sure is. Like I would even argue private
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: prisons have been a little bit of a genocide, especially
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: when you consider that a lot of the crimes that
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: filled those private prisons happened because of drugs that we
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: definitely did not introduce to the impress communities of the
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: United States. Of course, not.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: The CIA doesn't work in the United States. No, never, never, never. Yeah,
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: that's what's funny, man, It's like not funny, tragic is
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: the right word. Is that we're kind of fucked if
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: they're real and fucked if they're not, Like, there's no
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: it almost doesn't matter, which I think is the most
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: cynical thing I've said on this podcast. But going back
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: to my point about the eighties and what it was
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: fun that's just gone away like it used to. I
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: used to think, Oh, it'd be fun to know. Now
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh, we're just fucked. If we ever
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: find out, because it's not going to end well, people
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: will go crazy, people won't go crazy, and then the
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: whole world will change in a way that I don't
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: think people appreciate, given the fact that in our era
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: of on fettered capitalism, so much money to be made
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: off of pain, which of course there are a million
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: examples we're seeing all over the world from our media
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: to Somalia, to Ukraine to Gaza to this list goes
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: on and on. We make money off of pain, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: people are happy about that. Like the amount of you know,
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: articles you see in Little Wall Street Journal or Financial
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Times about dude, did you buy Raytheon because you don't
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: beat rich right now? If you bought Raytheon stock, you
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: know he wants some boweing, some lucky Martin makes some
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: money right now. And it's with a straight face. Yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: And those people would have the same straight face where
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: it's like we're fighting aliens, are they real? Who gets
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: a ship? We're making money?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, should invest in DNA registries. Right now, now that
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: it's mandatory, they're going to be making a killing.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh man, and it's it's yeah, it's just tragic.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: It's not even funny. It's tragic. And it used to
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: be like what like remember Area fifty one, like you know,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: maybe it was UFOs, but I think we all knew
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: it was just like a place where they did research, right, yeah,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: like it was a research site. Maybe they had some
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: extraterrestrials there. It was fun. Who cares? Now They almost
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: got people to storm it a couple of years ago, Yeah,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: which was wild to me.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I love that idea that, oh they can't shoot us all.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: It's like dedicante get ready to die by alien technology
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: that's actually just government technology that they want to test
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: on a crowd rushing Area fifty one.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there is that dievity you hear it. I
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: was listening to some podcasts like can remember now, but
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: there it was talking about the you know, the Cuba
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Moscow thing where the diplomats were getting like severe headaches
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: and yeah, HAVDA syndrome. And on that podcast was like
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: that technology doesn't exist, there's no there's there's nothing that
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: would do that it's like, have you heard of like
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: sound guns where they have a ray that literally makes
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: you shake the pants, It makes you throw up and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: gives you a stroke from just the sound waves. And
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: like there's companies that sell this to the military, to
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: police that you can easily look up and the ship
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: has existed for not only years, decades. Yes, and I
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: guarantee you places like Area fifty one have shit like
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: that posted on fence posts. So well, they used they
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: used it standing rock against the Indians when they were
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: protesting an oil typeline. Don't think they'll use it against you.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, I think Guantanamo is probably another thing
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: like that. I feel like at least half of Guantanamo
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: was just, oh, well, we need someplace to test all
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: this shit on people, and if we can just throw
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: like fifteen people who we vaguely accuse of being involved
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: in nine to eleven and lock them up in Cuba
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: for ever, oh the test we could run. Like we
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: just talked about recently on an episode, there was a
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: guy who, for one is was just now finally going
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to trial for having been involved in nine to Eleven's
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: like no rush, but also a judge ruled him unfit
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: for trial because the CIA had like tortured him stupid
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: to the point that he like can't really talk anymore,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and like his.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: Initial like pure evil to me, like pure evil.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: And like his initial complaints when and where things like
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: they're they're just pointing ray guns at me all day,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: and like people were like, see, he was clearly losing
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: his mind, and it's like, no, I think that's probably
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: what was happening, and with Havana syndrome. When people are like, ooh,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: who would be doing it? Though, it's like the fucking
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: CIA is doing it. Like you think they're opposed to
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: testing shit like that on their own people, especially if
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: they think it's not gonna kill them, like they were
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: slipping LSD to every fucking tongue they could get their
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: fingertips on in the fifties and sixties, and you think,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: like for them to test it on anyone else would
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: be an act of war, Like exactly, they have to
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: test it on Americans, and like you'd never see that
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: coming CIA attacking their own CIA base with some kind
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: of new weapon, but fucking of course they would.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, we're heading out greenies to US soldiers
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: in World War two, like they were candy. You see
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: what would happen. You know, we've always tested on ourselves.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I mean that's like you said, it would be an
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: actual work. We tested it on someone else, not that,
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: And I think that would matter at this point.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: Because no, we would do that, and what's needed to what's.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: The world going to do at this point? We could
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: fucking we could probably drop a bomb in the middle
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: of Germany and be like ohoops, and that would be it. Yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: like that would Germany do.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: That's why we elected Trump as our president. We are
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: the Trump of countries.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, well we've got RFK coming now.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: So I feel like it could happen, and I don't
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: like it.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: No, he's I feel like he would be very much
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: on the uf or UAP extraterrestrial invasion train because he'd
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: probably be one of the ones that actually believed it
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: and was the one who spread the gospel without them
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: actually having to turn them. Because he's not a bright man.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: No, No, he's he's a problem in a matt Like
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: if you told me in the nineties that one Donald
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Trump was going to be our president and it would
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: fuck up our country a whole lot, I'd probably believe that. Yeah,
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But then if you were like and then a Kennedy
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: is going to come along and it's going to get
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: so much worse, I'd be like a Kennedy. No, they're
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: pretty chill, right, Yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: You want to know something chilling, So I chilling chilling.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I went to vote as in the morning at the
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: high school here, and I noticed there's a cop. I've
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: been a very sort of purple county in Kentucky, so
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: pretty liberal. A lot of you know, kindness is the answer,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: placards and on front of houses, and you know, everybody
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: all that stuff, and Andy Basher, you know, posters and
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: signs in most yards, went to vote, came back that morning,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: I would say, and this is of course just anecdotal
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: of what I saw, but most of the Andy Basher
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: signs had changed to RFK signs between before the election
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: and after.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I don't like that.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: That's not good, man, because those didn't change to Biden signs.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: They changed RFK signs. And this is a very rich,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: educated county in Kentucky, which take that for what you will,
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: but that's not a good sign, dude, because that was
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen. When I went home to Mason County,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: in Washington. When I saw those Trump signs, it was like, ooh,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: this isn't going to end well.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now that RFK is running as an independent, that
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: really changes everything. Because when he was trying to run
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: as a Democrat, I was like, cute, that's not gonna work.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: But now and with all these polls coming out, like hey,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: he's pulling ahead of both of them, it's like fuck,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I could totally see that happening.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: And he's he's a spreader of misinformation. He's the perfect
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: candidate for the military industrial complex to be like, mister president,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: the aliens have arrived, we need to do something now. Yeah,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: and he'll jump into action like are they putting the
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: are they putting the bad things in the vaccine? Because
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: we'll stop that first, you know, again, not a bright man.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think he would get assassinated? That would
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: just be such a fucking tyrony right there, because I
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: loathe to think who his VP would be. Oh, probably
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: some like Steve Bannon or some shit. And next time
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: you know, president Steve Bannon.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it will be somebody wild and like somebody is
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: not going to be good, not going to be good
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: at all, And uh yeah, sort of getting back on topic,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: how do you sort of feel like you're privy the
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: stuff you keep up with a lot of the information, Like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: how would you feel like if, say, tomorrow morning, it
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: kicked off CNN, you know, MSNBC, rt E, deuts Chavella,
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: all those like they're here, we don't know what's going on.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: What would it take for you to believe that it
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: was real? Or would you just be like, oh shit,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: it's it's real.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Well, here's here's the thing. It's it's almost like God.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you think God is real. God
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: is such a presence in the world and fuels so
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: many people's decisions, and believe that God is real whether
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: you like it or not. Absolutely, And it would kind
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: of be the same thing. Like whether it's the government
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: doing it or if it's aliens doing it, the end
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: results is going to be the same thing. So my
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: initial reaction would just be fuckt. Yeah, this is going
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: to be bad, and it would almost, I think, be
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: worse if they just show up and want to talk,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Like it would almost be better if it's just war
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: right away, because I don't Again, that thing about alien
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: DNA really makes me nervous because again, that comes from
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: American intelligence in that documentary, and if that story comes
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: out that, hey, there are those among us who have
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: a little extra in them because of the aliens, and
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: that is bad for society and that is why everything
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: that's wrong in society is wrong. Like that, again, what
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: are you uniting around?
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: It could be that, and we've as a species done
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: so much worse. I mean the khmer rousion, look up
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: pull pot. People who were glasses were rounded up in genocide. Glasses.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: You know, it can be that simple, and it's terrifying.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, I agree. I don't think it would
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: matter if it was real or not. It's just like, well,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: we're fucked either way. I would though, if it was
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: the eighties me, I would very much be like, can
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: I just go with you guys? Yeah it was real?
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Can I just leave? Take me anywhere? I just want
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: to see what's up there. Maybe my face will melt
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: off from the friction of traveling that that's be.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think it would also kind of be
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: a relief, like just fine, Okay, let's whatever this has
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: been building up to, let's get it over with, right,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'd be interested to see what comes out
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: of that craft Man. Back when Dane Cook was fun
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: he had a really good joke about that where he
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: was like, what if UFOs land on the White House
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: lawn and a bunch of hundred foot tall Native Americans
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: get out and it's like, Ah, we're fucked, God damn it,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: goddamn it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: And I would just be like school.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I would also kind of be like, oh, this is
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: funny this. Yeah, we're all gonna die and we deserve it. Yeah,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: this is very funny.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a very good bit. Yeah, and that's
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: just it. I mean not to be a sort of
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Debbie Downer, but I feel like if any of this
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: shit is real, like in the Rand scheme of the universe,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: the beings entities, technology is probably so far beyond anything
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: we can comprehend for them to travel those distances that
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: maybe they are here and we don't even see it
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: because we just don't. There's no way for us to
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: comprehend or get it. And that's not to say that
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: we can't see what's in front of us. Of course
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: we can see what's in front of us, but there
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: are things we can't see that are all around us
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: that you know that you know, keep our lives moving,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: whether it be radio waves or sound waves, et cetera,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: et cetera. But I do I do not believe in
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: the what for me said where it's like, oh, if
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: there is anything out there, it's it's too far and
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: too few, too well that will ever know. I don't
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: know that. Man, there's trillions of planets out there, trillions
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: of star systems, Like who knows what the fuck's out there?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they came here, they would obviously be
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: using technology we don't have in that like at all. Yeah,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: and like there's so much about space we don't know.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Like one of the suggestions about when aliens have actually
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: visited is, man, they could have just taken a fucking
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: wrong turn, like they might because the thing I always
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: bring up about Roswell is we act like there was
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: this like lust for that technology they had, and it's like,
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: you mean technology that can't stay in the skies over
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Earth because we are already had technology that could do
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: that by then. Yeah, but there's like hundreds of UFOs crashing,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: like there weren't hundreds of plane crashes at the time,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Like that suggests it wasn't that advanced, which makes me
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: not believe the story.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And my theory on that is they were
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: testing out some Nazi technology they brought over from Germany
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: or wherever, and they were just trying to figure out
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: some sort of you know, backdoor into whatever they were doing.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was drones that they were working on, you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: over there, and they were trying to you know, they
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: were starting to mimic that and oh no, somebody's not.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Now they have to cover it up. It's a weather blow.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: They're so going back to our original point, there's so
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: much technology right now that we have no idea exists. Yeah,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: and so the idea of a tic TAC being able
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: to maneuver like that in a grainy video from two
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: thousand and seven, maybe it is a one hundred percent
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: real video of technology where we leaked that out through
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: the New York Times and through official government official as
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: almost like hey, we're gonna put China and Russia and
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I ran all these countries kind of unnoticed, be like, hey,
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: we got this shit covin, so you better watch out
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: because we're going to leap from in front of you
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: and we'll destroy you with it. Maybe it's just simply that,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: or there's like oh maybe We'll to shit their pants
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: a little bit with what we got going on over here,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: just in the same way that all the stealth bomber
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: stuff leaked out in the in the seventies and eighties,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, we got something coming, bitches, so
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: you better watch out, which is shit. We do too.
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: We are we are the bullies on the corner of
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: the block.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I keep forgetting the name of it. Let me see
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: if I can put my world class googling skills to
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: use here. But there is a I started typing the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: word there.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: As I said there, But.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: There's a government. There's like this military jet that is
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: rumored to exist, and there's so much information about it.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, it obviously exists.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: They're just not, Ah, what is it? It's a tie fighter.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: I believe it is. The SR seventy two, a hypersonic
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: unmanned aerial vehicle concept intended for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: proposed privately in twenty thirteen by Lockheed Martin. Did we
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: just unlock this? Is that? What fucking seeing?
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: That's all it is right there. It's the new drone technology.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: But it also says the SR seventy two does not exist. E.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: Well, it exists in our hearts at them. No, I
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: mean who no, Like it's this sort of thing like
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: like the head of g said, like, we're fifty years
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: ahead whatever the consumer things we are. Yeah, so there
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: are people doing shit on just regular computers and phones
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: in that industry that we can't even comprehend right now.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: In fifty years it will be regular old stuff. But
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: you know, think about that with like email and cellar technology,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: Like people were using that shit in the fucking fifties, right.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: You know, like if you were to the average even
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: American in like nineteen fifty five and say, you know what,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: you're going to set a letter on a device that
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: fits in your hand, they'll be like you've been watching
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: the Twilight Zone. Yeah, And so I mean not to
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: say who knows what's out there, but you have to
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: accept the fact that technology is being developed that we
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: are not privy to that is so mind blowing. It
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: will seem like magic when it comes out. And then
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: after it comes out and destroys or advances or does
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: whatever it does, we'll just be everyday common stuff.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's a big conspiracy theory out there that
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: we not only have all this technology, but some of
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: it could like kind of fix global warming, and we've
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: maybe had that for a long long time. But because
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: we are hell bent on rating this planet of all
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: the fossil fuels it has while we can, we've been like,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: you know, holding that back a little bit, which that's
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: going to put blood on people's hands if that story
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: comes out.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they will get away with it because they always do.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: I mean a very quick story. I was helping my
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: grandfather install solar panels on his roof up in British
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Columbia in like ninety four maybe ninety five, and they
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: were the big, big ass, you know, proper roof size
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: solar panels, and you know they had to be delivered
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: in the box and was looking at the box for
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: instructions or whatever. Right in the corner of that box
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: there was a Royal Shell logo. So in the mid nineties,
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Royal Shell was already selling solar panels to consumers that
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: worked perfectly well, that would power an entire house. And
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: so you know, these big massive energy companies, not oil companies,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: energy companies were already doing you know what it was
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: that back then, super advanced technology but what now we
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: consider you know, pretty advanced screen technology thirty fucking years ago. Man. Yeah,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: and they weren't hiding it per se because they put
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: their fucking logo on the solar panel box. But uh,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: it was not I don't it was like blue grandfather's
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: mind that it was like made by Shell, really royal Shell.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's crazy.
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, who knows what they're doing right now
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: or what like to your point, what technology they have
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: that would be like, yeah, we could fix this in
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: a snap. But you know what, I got a trillion
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: dollars to make in the next ten years off of
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: crude and we're an energy company and I'm going to
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: make that trillion.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Dollars and see that could be the like, I don't
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: know the good version of this, Like what if the
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: whole endgame is to escape the culpability that would come
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: with everyone knowing, oh, the government has had the technology
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: that could have pulled us out of this a long
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: long time ago. What if the entire end game of
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: staging an alien visit is so they will bring us
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: this technology and hand it to Joe Biden on the
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: White House lawn and we're like, yeah, aliens and Meanwhile,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: it's just like a dude in an alien suit inside
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: a government vehicle that we built you using the technology
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: we've had forever.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Or it's a guy in an Exxon mobile truck, like
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: they put one of those like magnet logos over it
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: that like an alien ship, Like it falls off when
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: they try to drag away and his Exxon.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: But it still comes down from space. Yes, Yes, that's neat.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, and to me, like that is kind of
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: more likely what will happen than anything else then that
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: extratrexterrials coming from one hundred billion miles away.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could. I could absolutely see the government
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: faking something like that. That, Like even before people started
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: connecting it to UFOs, that was kind of always in
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: the back of my mind was like, I bet they
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: have something that could probably make an impact on global warming,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: and they're just waiting until they can sell all the oil.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's the right time for the profit
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: margin to equalize and go up uninhibited. And because at
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, that's what those fucking people
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: care about. They care about how can I make the
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: most amount of money with this, whether it's technology, device, product, mineral,
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: you know, it's the Ta Beer's business model. Hey, you
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: know what, there's a ton of diamonds in the world.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: Let's put them all on the vault and preten that
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: they're rare. Yeah.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, I don't know.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: I feel like my biggest takeaway from all this is
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: to people listening, you got to stop being gas lit
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: by the US government official employees saying hey, I've seen stuff,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: but you can't see it, and then saying, the government
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: admitted that aliens exist, but that's not what happened to me. Yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if it was the government admitting it, the people
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: asking the questions would be the one giving you the information.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: When fucking Mitch McConnell comes walking out arm in arm
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: with an alien, then maybe you can believe it. That's
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: that's kind of like the government saying it happened. But yeah,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: just some fucking whistleblower. And like, one thing we know
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: about the CIA in particular is it's very compartmentalized, and
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: one person working on one thing has no idea what
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: the other person's working on. So that's not the government
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: admitting stuff. That's someone telling the government stuff. But also
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: they work for the government. It's yeah, which I think
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just don't understand people who implicitly trust
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: the government whatever they say. I just don't get that.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: And I mean I get it, but I just like,
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: how after all this, I mean, remember those meetings with
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: Colin Powell at the UN where he was literally showing
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: what we now know is fake powder to the UN Council,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: being like, this is what they're doing, So how I'm
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: saying it's developing the weapons of mass destruction blah blah
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: blah blah blah. And it was all blatant lie. And
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: it was a I mean to me, it was an
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: obvious blatant light at the time because obviously it's like, oh,
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: and then it was proven to be a blatant light
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: and then it was confirmed to blatant lie. And still
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: people were like, but why would the government lie to me?
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: What could they have to gain? It's like Mark Simpson
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: being like, why would the sugar poart lie to me? Yeah?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: And I mean the government they lie to you all
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the time, like.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: It, And so does Corporate America. Adviser lies to you
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: about opios, you know, like show lies to you about energy.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: They've been selling fucking solar panels for thirty years and
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: selling you gasoline, you know, like they lie they want money.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like water game. It was a conspiracy theory until
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: it wasn't.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Right, mk Ulter was a conspiracy theory until it wasn't. Yeah,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: you know, I mean there's it's gotten to the point
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: where healthy skepticism is a good thing. Yeah, and people
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: seem to have forgotten that. Yeah.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: And like a thing you mentioned earlier, like don't ever
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: lean on the idea that, oh, if the government had it,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: we would know, Like no, I can't tell people enough that.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: In the sixties and seventies, the government, the CIA developed
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: an assassination tool called the shellfish tocsin gun.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which very real thing.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And people are like rope. I mean they fucking
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: showed it at the Church committee hearings. Yes, Like they
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: were like, oh, you don't believe us, and the guy
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: fucking whips it out of his jacket or some shit.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: It's like it is an evidence. There are pictures, there's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: a full report. Yeah. And it also it makes sense
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: because shellfish talksins are deadly.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: And you know what, it sounds like a nice way
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: to die, like you, just like you, It's like a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: pretty painless deb like they should. Probably that's what they
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: need to do. They're like, just need to come forward
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: and be like, look, you know we assassinate people. Let
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: us show you a more ethical way to do it.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe you'll be on board. And then they just ice
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: a guy with the fucking shellfish gun on live TV.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: He just passes out, and it's like, oh, peaceful death.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: It's always funny to me. And I do not mean
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: this in a supportive way at all. I just found
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: it amusing. When Trump after he got in office, he
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: was doing an interview with somebody. I was like, but
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Putin kills people. He's like, yeah, we kill people too,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: so or paraphrasing, but it was just like and people
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: were so up and arms like oh America doesn't do that,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: and it's like, what fucking world are you living in?
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Like I said, I'm not supporting him in any way,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: but at least he wasn't like, well, of course America
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: is about blah blah blah. It's like, well we kill people,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: do what?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, propaganda is a thing, and like even the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: Putin kills people thing, yeah yeah he probably does. But
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you know who else kills people in Russia? Oligarchs people
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: write inflammatory articles about them a lot in Russia too,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: and get fucking killed for it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: Yes they do. Yeah, And so it's sort of a anyway,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: it's the sort of thing where it's like, not to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: be too fair me about it, where it's like, oh,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: the distances are too far, what would they even bother
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: doing here? But also I kind of agree with you,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: would it even matter if it was them or us
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day and they showed up,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: showed up as in, you know, it kind of wouldn't because,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: like I said, the people will believe it or they won't.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, a lot of
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: people are probably gonna die for somebody else to make money.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: And then here we are again. I need a shot
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: of whiskey.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is. I mean, it's really alarming because
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: it's also the kind of thing most people are just
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: going to laugh off until the absolute second it happens.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: And yeah, those are the people that will believe it
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: the hardest. Also because finally this is the like literally
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: aliens landing on the White House lawn, Like finally that's
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: the proof I've been looking for. And it's like, ah,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: that could be fake too.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: You never know, and also like in the Hubris that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: they come now and to us.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I just.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Just take get me a second here, Like imagine you're
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: looking down at Earth and where the biggest concentration of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: humans are who are sort of in basic control of
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: this planet, which is huberts in itself, because there's somebody
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: species shit make this planet go round. But once you
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: sort of look at Southeast Asia and be like, oh, well,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: that's where most of the people are by far, like
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: over half the entire population is concentrated just on this
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: little corner of a continent. We're going to land there
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: and talk to them, as opposed to this continent that's
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: basically empty. I know, it seems like there's a lot
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: of people in North America, but there's really not. Yeah,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: I mean it's really kind of empty in this country.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: And why would they land here? I mean here, why
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: would they land you know, in the United States? But
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: because we're great, they don't know that looking down.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if they have been monitoring us, they probably
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: know this is the last place you want to land.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, why kick the border's nest, Yeah, the place
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: with all the guns. Yeah, Like granted, bullets can't kill us,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: but it still hurts to get shot.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: So it's more just like, well, this planet exists, let's
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: carry on. It's like when you it's like, you know,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: when you used to go out, like in your twenties,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: and you'd be like walking around town looking at and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: there'd always be that one bar where you'd walk by
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: and you're like, I'm not going to go in there.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I'll probably get knifed. Yeah yeah, and you just walk
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: on and go to another bar. I feel like Earth
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: is that bar where you're just like it might be fun,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: but I also might get knife So I'm just gonna,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: you know, carry on to the next one.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't I think you're right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: I don't think. I mean, I I definitely don't think
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: that the government is being on the up and up
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: about this, because I also don't like the whole we
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: don't know. We're as blind to whatever's happening as you are.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: It's like bullshit, like like they're putting these videos out
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: like they're fucking have you seen this man posters? Please
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: just tell us anything about this. It's like, come on,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: sixteen intelligence agencies and none of you know anything about this.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, a million pilots in the sky every day,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: just in the United States and nobody saw it either.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: And there's we did a couple episodes about them. There
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: were those see I files that they had to release
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: because of one of Trump's COVID bills, which is still
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: such a weird detail to me, but it really, like,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: very early on, this was the concern with a lot
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: of people was no, no, no, no, no, this isn't UFOs,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: this isn't aliens. This is the fucking CIA figuring out
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: how they can use weird technology to influence a whole
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: bunch of people.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: At once and correct me if I'm wrong. But also
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: in those files, wasn't there a narrative that is that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: CIA and intelligence community realized that they could use those
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: UFO narratives at the time to distract people from technology,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: like they they instituted that as actual actuable espionage and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: activity to be like, oh, well, we'll just get people
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: to think it's UFOs and you know, then they won't
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: look at what we're doing. And it's like that was
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: the plan.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed to be that the first thought was
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: what are these things? Is this other government fucking with us?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: And then The very next thought was can we use
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: this to fuck with other governments?
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Right? Right and back then especially? Can you imagine it's like, oh,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: let's let's really get stalin up in a little uproar.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, it's so
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: all this shit is so fucking petty, like, way pettier
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: than I think any of us want to admit, because
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: they're just like, oh, the prestige of office and the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: beauty of you know, these this higher you know, fetish
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: sizing of power and wealth that some people have where
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: it's just like, oh, they're successful and rich, they must
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: be amazing. Where it's like or they're just petty pieces
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: of shit who are holding on to their power and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: wealth by any means necessary. Yeah, And and that means
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: you're just a line item on a budget to them
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: when it comes to how much money they can make.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Are not based on your life?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Have you ever been to Roswell?
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: I have not. I've been in New Mexico, but I've
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: never been to Roswell.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing disappointing, that's great disappointing. For one thing,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: the museum closes at like five no shit, Okay, and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: it's very very small because it's based on the one
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: incident that happened way back when and uh, the only
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: bar in town, Buffalo Wild Wings.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: That's a maybe. So it's a watch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you could do works for sure, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: shout out wings. Yeah yeah, I think I felt felt
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  Speaker 2: safer in a Buffalo Wild Wings in Roswell than I
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  Speaker 2: would have at like a dive bar with really good
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  Speaker 2: wings with a bunch of angry locals that hate tourists. Granted,
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  Speaker 2: there was still a fight at the Buffalo Wild Wing,
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  Speaker 2: but of course there was. It was just the classic
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  Speaker 2: Eagles cowboys conflict flaring up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've only I've been to like some meteor sites, you know,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: so like oh yeah, the one in Arizona, wintl Arizona
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  Speaker 3: and things like that, but never like never extraterrestrial UFO
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  Speaker 3: related sites, just like more more geological things, which I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: always fine fascinating because like, yeah, that's a big asshole
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  Speaker 3: that must the fuck this planet up. Yeah, yeah, have
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  Speaker 3: anything about yeah, maybe maybe imagine that happening again, just
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  Speaker 3: like okay, well turn the lights off by everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Have you heard anything about this notion that if this
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: technology exists and the government's been holding on to it.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: What we need to do is put an amnesty program
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: in place so all the people who've been lying about
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: it and killing people through global warming can finally come
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: out and admit that this technology is real and we
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: all live happily ever after because I say, we eat
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: those people once. Yeah, we find out about them.
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  Speaker 3: That's what the guillotine is for. Yeah, literally admitted for
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: those people like this. Did you ever watch Letter Kenny? No,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: there's a there's a great episode season five called hard
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  Speaker 3: Right Jay and j Bershell plays this just mag At
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  Speaker 3: douchebag who like comes to town because the local middle
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: school soccer name is getting changed from the Chiefs to
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  Speaker 3: something else. So he's like making a big deal about
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: it with this, you know, Teeki towards Friends and a
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  Speaker 3: contingent of the shows, like main characters are the Indians
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: from the Res, and so when they go out to
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  Speaker 3: the soccer field to protest, they're like, hey, we're here
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: to protest this. What about tradition and blah blah blah,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: And it is back and forth and back and forth
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: with you know, sort of like the leader of the
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: people from the Res and at one point he's like, hey,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: you know, you know, we may be right wing, but
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  Speaker 3: we don't practice violence. And the woman from the res
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: is like we do, and then proceed to kick all
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: their asses. And that's It's the sort of thing where
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: it's like, you know, not a proponent of violence, but
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: in you know, we didn't beat the Nazis by going
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: over and get them hugs. We beat the Nazis by
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: nuking Germany, by new king Japan and turning Germany into
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: ash and then letting the Soviets rape their women for
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: four fucking years. It wasn't like, oh, well, I'm sure
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Hitler will see the way of you know, to do
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: the right thing, like Charles Lindberg thought to his own demise.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: But it's you know, like sometimes you gotta fucking put
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: somebody's stick in the dirt. Yeah, and you know, and
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: that's sadly where I think this country's going again. Uh,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: not to get too off the tracks, but sometimes it's
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: gotta put some people sticks in the dirt to really
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: get them to change their fucking mind.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is true. So I think that's our episode, right,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: we did it.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was a lot of fun that I
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: really appreciate talking about this wonderful UAP. Did I get
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: that right up? Yeah?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: These these aliens in there, I don't want to get
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: just canceled for calling them out of their name. They
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: are UAPs now.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Uh UAPs, which again it does not imply extra terrestrial.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: No, No, just means we don't know what that plane is.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: You know that plane that's also dipping into the water.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's probably for the new James Bond movie. Right.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they're gonna have some crazy technology for that.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: You know, they got a one up Scena Royale.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is all just movie promo. It's for
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: the next next Cloverfield movie.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Actually it's actually just Tom Cruise working on Mission Impossible
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: at nineteen.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, using time travel.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: You're crazy? Oh man, No, this was a lot of fun.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: I appreciate the invitation.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for doing it. I appreciate it. Uh,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: what have we got to plug before we get out
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: of here? Where can people find you?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: Uh? You can find me on Instagram at ZTP Whiskey
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: That's where I post about my adventures in whiskey. Or
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: you can go to a brox dot com where I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: write about whiskey every day. If you need any tips
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: for you know, the best whiskeys of the year. What
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: by that special someone in your life who's also a
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: whiskey lover. You will be seeing a lot of that
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: in the next week's And uh yeah, it's if that's it,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: that's that's I'm not on online in any other way.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Very nice. Yeah, I'm I'm on Instagram. You can find
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: me there at Adam Todd Brown. I'm also on Blue Sky,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: but you need an invite. Uh and I don't fucking
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: know my blue that's so complicated. It's like Adam Todd
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Brown dot b K ask k why some convoluted ship
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: make that easier? Blue Sky? And uh oh, you can
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: follow me on uh substack at Adam Toddbrown dot substack
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: dot com. And I think that's it. Let's get the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: funk out of here. I'm about to go eat a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Mick rib Zach say goodbye, goodbye, everybody.
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  Speaker 3: We love you.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: People of are trying to just to