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The CIA UFO Files: Psychological Warfare · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Winter Inurance. Did I'm a check both get check things.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam Todd
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  Speaker 2: Brown joining me as special guest co host this week.
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  Speaker 2: those bands to like the podcast. What you're tuning in
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  Speaker 2: for is just the natural raw chemistry between myself, Andy
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  Speaker 2: Soell and Travis Clark. Who, if I'm being honest, we
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  Speaker 2: should have had Travis on this too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I look, anytime we're talking in Travis isn't here.
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  Speaker 1: I feel the absence, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get him on one of these because he's a
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  Speaker 2: UFO guy, right, I mean, he has to be right.
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  Speaker 2: He goes to the desert, so fucking much. He's gotta
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  Speaker 2: be aye.
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  Speaker 1: It goes out to Joshua Tree, he drives a tesla,
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  Speaker 1: he listens to queens of the stone Age. Like if
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  Speaker 1: he's not a UFO guy, I don't know who he is.
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  Speaker 2: He drives a tesla, Yeah, doesn't he Wow, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't talked to him in a while.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen Yeah, I haven't talked to anyone in years.
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  Speaker 2: So we're doing a very special episode. There's actually gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a bunch of these episodes, But unlike the Jonestown
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  Speaker 2: thing or the Paul Wellstone series, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: do them all back to back because honestly, I get
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  Speaker 2: kind of bored after like seven or eight episodes about
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  Speaker 2: the exact same thing. I need to mix it up.
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  Speaker 1: And there's just so much of this.
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  Speaker 2: There is so much. I mentioned on an episode of
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  Speaker 2: Unpopular Opinion a couple weeks ago that as part of
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  Speaker 2: the most recent COVID stimulus bill, it was demanded that
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  Speaker 2: all of our intelligence agencies we have sixteen by the way, people,
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  Speaker 2: all of our intelligence agencies have to release whatever files
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  Speaker 2: they have on UFOs, and against all odds, the first
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  Speaker 2: to the finish line, probably because there's no way this
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  Speaker 2: is all of their files. The CIA.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Hey, winter Winter Chicken dinner, CIA, come on down.
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  Speaker 2: I did a bar show once and they had a
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  Speaker 2: winter Winter Chicken dinner on the menu and also a
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  Speaker 2: winter Winter Chicken sandwich. I thought that was funny.
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  Speaker 1: How do you tell the difference? I mean, well, obviously
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  Speaker 1: it was a sandwich, but like it was just funny.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, by the way, I do want to say, also,
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  Speaker 1: real quick, I loved that episode. I loved it. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: anytime I get to listen to Joe and Olivia, it's
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  Speaker 1: a great day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was a very good episode, and
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  Speaker 2: we briefly touched on some of what we're talking about,
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  Speaker 2: which is those CIA UFO files.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody shocked by the CIA being the one with the most.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, not at all. And they're the weirdest. I guarantee,
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  Speaker 2: no matter what we get from any of these other
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  Speaker 2: intelligence or law enforcement agencies, these are going to be
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  Speaker 2: the strangest files because it's the CIA. They're like they're
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  Speaker 2: the secret lab intelligence agency. They're the ones that go
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  Speaker 2: down in bunkers and do weird shit and see what
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  Speaker 2: pans out, So of course they're going to.
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  Speaker 1: Have ZIS after World War two as well.
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  Speaker 2: So a Nazi basically founded the CIA, and at the
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  Speaker 2: CIA's launch they were about fifty to fifty SS and
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  Speaker 2: American Office of Strategic Intelligence I think was the precursor C. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the os I, who are mentioned the os I
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  Speaker 1: think in these documents, which is.
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  Speaker 2: Fun come up a lot. I mentioned on that on
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  Speaker 2: Pop's episode that I haven't read every one of these
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  Speaker 2: documents word for word, but I have at least looked
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  Speaker 2: at every document, and I have them arranged in folders
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  Speaker 2: by like topic, and then when you get inside the topic,
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  Speaker 2: there's like sub folders. I have one for sightings. It's
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot to dive into it.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much, and there's also like these documents are
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  Speaker 1: also like full of proper nouns, So anytime one of
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  Speaker 1: those comes up, I'm just like, you know, I'm old
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  Speaker 1: enough that I have had to do research without the Internet,
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  Speaker 1: but also my Wikipedia diseased brain is like trying to
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  Speaker 1: click on proper nouns in these documents, Like okay, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm writing them down, like I gotta look these people up.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta figure out oh yeah, Like who was Captain E. J. Ruppelton?
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  Speaker 1: What was he doing at right Field? Man, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: find out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's even one of the episodes we're going to do,
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  Speaker 2: I think actually the next episode in this series at least,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the two people that these
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  Speaker 2: files seem to be the most concerned with, which are
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  Speaker 2: a guy named doctor Leon Davidson and a guy named
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  Speaker 2: Major Daniel Keho of the US Marine Corps. And those
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  Speaker 2: two really got under the CIA's kraw in the forties
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  Speaker 2: and fifties. It's fascinating, and these files it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: hard to make sense of them, Like if you read them,
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  Speaker 2: they kind of go in chronological order, but there'll just
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  Speaker 2: be bits and pieces of things that are in some documents.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that memory game where you flip over the
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  Speaker 2: card and you go, Okay, the grapes are there. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: the grapes aren't there, but the grapes are there. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna look for.
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  Speaker 1: The great grapes. A lot of times with documents like this,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't where the context is, no, it's it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of you have to know what you're looking for sometimes
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  Speaker 1: with these things. Because these guys like they weren't putting
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  Speaker 1: the context in documents the most part, like they would
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  Speaker 1: you know, they would have their meetings that I don't
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  Speaker 1: know whatever the Langley equivalent of the hell Fire Club is.
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  Speaker 1: It's just you know, they're drinking Scotch and smoking like
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  Speaker 1: you know, confiscated cigars from Cuba, like just talking about like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I mean although this is before that, but like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Wes. I got the I got that
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  Speaker 1: paper your girl sent to my girl and looking over it,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what it means. And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: Wes is like, well, Tom, okay, let me just explain.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, like last weekend when we were hunting
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  Speaker 1: those you know, homeless teenagers, you know with those crossboards
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  Speaker 1: that Craig got the good deal on, you know how
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  Speaker 1: he was talking about like, well, we need we need
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  Speaker 1: more fear, We need people to be more afraid. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not a big picture guy, Okay, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to make that happen per se. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: invested in the endgame really, but you know my little
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  Speaker 1: thing is I can kind of help make people afraid.
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  Speaker 1: And I was just you know, I was watching some
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  Speaker 1: UFO movies and you know, they scared the shit out
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  Speaker 1: of my kids. So you know, I think we can
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  Speaker 1: apply this to the grid. They talked context in like meetings, right,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't leave paper trails for context a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is what we're talking about, is how in
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  Speaker 2: those early days, the CIA was really interested not so
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  Speaker 2: much in what these things people were seeing in the
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  Speaker 2: sky were, but how could we use them for our
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  Speaker 2: own benefit? How can we manipulate and control them? And
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  Speaker 2: basically they wanted to use them for psychological warfare, which
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  Speaker 2: is we'll get to it. But that's a very interesting
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  Speaker 2: detail given the history of conspiracy theories since then.
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  Speaker 1: It's also funny how it gets there kind of too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even before that, it's really obvious from these
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  Speaker 2: files that our first thought upon seeing flying saucers in
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  Speaker 2: UFOs was, oh shit, this is probably Russia. We were
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  Speaker 2: obsessed with the idea that this was Russia.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was the fifth everything Russia. It was well,
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  Speaker 1: Russia's evil So if there's something we don't know about
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  Speaker 1: there probably behind it. It was just like constant Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like the Brady Bunch.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, That's why we teamed up with the Nazis
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  Speaker 2: in the first place, was because we had a common
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  Speaker 2: enemy in Russia.
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  Speaker 1: Russia, Russia.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So interestingly, one of the things we seem to
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  Speaker 2: be especially worried about were the times when Russia didn't
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  Speaker 2: talk about UFOs because we, of course monitored. And when
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  Speaker 2: I say we, I mean the CIA. But it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: get it's gonna wear you out if I just keep
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  Speaker 2: saying the CIA over and over, so I understand I'm
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  Speaker 2: talking about America when I say we.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, in this first document wasn't even really about
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  Speaker 1: the CIA. It was about that Air Force office too.
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  Speaker 2: Well, which one, so it was the what is it the.
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  Speaker 1: Air Technical Intelligence Center, Oh, right field. That was like
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  Speaker 1: just this small I mean, the whole first document that
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  Speaker 1: you showed me is kind of like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: mostly just like, all right, we're getting a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these calls. The only people taking these calls is this
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  Speaker 1: small office run by like five people, and this guy's
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  Speaker 1: a reserved so it's not even like, you know, anybody's
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  Speaker 1: looped in. And my favorite part of that too was
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  Speaker 1: the guy what's his name, Yeah, Captain E. J. Ruppolt
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  Speaker 1: rupeelt Yeah, like I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did add I have stuff about that in the notes,
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  Speaker 2: but I added more documents at the top. So shoot,
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  Speaker 2: right now we're talking about two different Oh wow, documentary.
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  Speaker 2: There's one document it's the the second link. We'll link
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  Speaker 2: to all of these. You can download them and.
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  Speaker 1: Read a really redacted one.
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  Speaker 2: Right, it's super duper redacted. And there's one paragraph at
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  Speaker 2: the end of page three, the only section that's not redacted,
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  Speaker 2: and it's about a discussion that someone who's obviously a
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  Speaker 2: CIA asset or informant or agent is talking to an
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  Speaker 2: employee at the US Forecast Center and it kind of
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  Speaker 2: seems like they both work there because he says on
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  Speaker 2: one occasion is how this story starts, which makes it
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  Speaker 2: seem like there have been several conversations and like, no,
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  Speaker 2: one's just loitering around the US Forecast Center.
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  Speaker 1: Not my girlfriend works there. I'm just hanging out there
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I don't trust her. I sit out in the car.
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  Speaker 1: Look, she's got this guy, this guy Mitch, who works
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  Speaker 1: with her, and she says he's gay, but I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's trying something.
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  Speaker 2: So whatever the case, the conversation is just him asking
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  Speaker 2: this other employee if they've ever had to deal with
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  Speaker 2: UFO sidings, and he replies that at one point two departments,
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  Speaker 2: which names of which are both redacted, had been plagued
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  Speaker 2: with calls and questions about UFO sidings, but that the
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  Speaker 2: calls stopped, and half jokingly that was a quote, half
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  Speaker 2: jokingly surmised that someone must have made a political decision
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  Speaker 2: that UFOs were not to be cited anymore, and for
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  Speaker 2: some reason, that last sentence is underlined, right, And that's
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  Speaker 2: the kind of shit you have to look for exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Those are the things that are like, oh wait, this
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  Speaker 1: seems pretty dry, but what whoa, whoa, whoa?
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  Speaker 2: What is this? Yeah? What are why is that underlined
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  Speaker 2: like that? Because if you just look at these documents
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  Speaker 2: as individual things, most of them won't make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: But you have to fish around for those little clues
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  Speaker 2: like that, because early on we were able to explain
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  Speaker 2: like seventy percent of the UFO sightings that came our way,
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  Speaker 2: but that still leaves like thirty percent that we couldn't explain.
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  Speaker 2: And right from the beginning, there is zero suspicion that
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  Speaker 2: this is aliens. You don't see Aliens mentioned anywhere in
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  Speaker 2: these early documents, and it could just be because they're
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  Speaker 2: about UFOs, but it's also mostly about Russia, Like it
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  Speaker 2: is all Russia at first, and the thing that comes
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  Speaker 2: up later is what they were concerned about. And when
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  Speaker 2: we get into the report that Andy mentioned earlier, one
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  Speaker 2: of the things they are worried about is this idea
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  Speaker 2: that Russia was doing this, and that's why they weren't
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  Speaker 2: talking about it in the press. We felt like, if
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  Speaker 2: this was being done to the United States by someone
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  Speaker 2: who wasn't Russia, Russia would be in the media making
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  Speaker 2: fun of us about it. But yeah, but not.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing, because they're not like stupid Americans
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  Speaker 1: baffled by impressive Soviet ship or whatever, like yeah, it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: then that's fishy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it, I mean it kinda is. Because they
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  Speaker 2: do have a lot of Russian newspaper reports and whatnot
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  Speaker 2: in these files, and they do take some swipes at us, Andy,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 1: Nah, come on, they love us, Why why would they.
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  Speaker 2: One of the earliest and most fascinating documents is a
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  Speaker 2: newspaper report that appears to have been published in Greece,
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  Speaker 2: France and maybe Iran. It just says Persian and it's
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  Speaker 2: about how the Nazis started designing flying saucers in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: forty one, and by nineteen forty five they were ready
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  Speaker 2: to move forward with production. But as the war was
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  Speaker 2: coming to an end, they realized they were going to lose,
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  Speaker 2: so they ordered all of these plans and documents about
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  Speaker 2: UFOs to be destroyed. But those orders didn't get to
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  Speaker 2: one of these labs in time, and the Soviets were
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  Speaker 2: able to get those documents and they had been working
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  Speaker 2: on building flying saucers ever since. According to the plans,
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  Speaker 2: these crafts were capable of flying up to four thousand
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  Speaker 2: kilometers per hour, which is twenty four hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 2: five miles per hour at our current exchange rate. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know what it was back then.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mean to scully your molder or anything, but
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  Speaker 1: it does seem like I do want to know more
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  Speaker 1: about this story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, just the course.
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  Speaker 1: One site seems you know, oh there was only one
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  Speaker 1: site left. Seems a little convenient, but I mean whatever,
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  Speaker 1: I want to like learn more about where this comes from,
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  Speaker 1: because this is like, this is super compelling.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and the names in it, if you look
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  Speaker 2: them up, their real names, and it's not presented in
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  Speaker 2: a sensationalist way. The tone of it. It doesn't read
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  Speaker 2: like the National Inquirer or something. And it's in the
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  Speaker 2: CIA's files, so they wanted to save it for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: It was in their scrap book, and I think.
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  Speaker 2: It's because they were worried that flying saucers were the Russians.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean also, four hundred and eighty five
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  Speaker 1: miles an hour is nuts.
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  Speaker 2: That is very very fast. Yeah. One of the documents
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about on another episode involved plans for a
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  Speaker 2: UFO that we were having Canada build for US, and
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  Speaker 2: it was supposed to be able to climb to like
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and two thousand feet, and in this document
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  Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, we're in the wind tunnel testing phase
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  Speaker 2: right now, Like, what where is that thing? It's probably
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  Speaker 2: the stealth bomber.
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  Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, I mean, for sure, for sure, that's
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  Speaker 1: what became the stealth Bomber.
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  Speaker 2: When I lived in Burbank, one of those flew over
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  Speaker 2: my head and I was like, what's happening? And then
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  Speaker 2: I it was New Year's Day and I realized.
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  Speaker 1: It the fucking Rose Bowl, the Rose Bowl that Iowa
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  Speaker 1: played at. I was at the Rose Bowl that Iowa
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  Speaker 1: played at against Stanford. Fuck Stanford, by the way, and
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  Speaker 1: a stealth bomber flew over and I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: that I've never seen one of these in person before.
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  Speaker 1: We shouldn't have that. That shouldn't exist. I don't like that. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's that is that's alien stuff. That is you have
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  Speaker 1: alien stuff.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason they hit it from us for so long.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also like so forty seven was roswell right, right,
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  Speaker 1: So okay, two year window after like they've already got
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  Speaker 1: after forty five, right, the Nazis were already.
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  Speaker 2: Like they were close to production. Yeah, And that's it's
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  Speaker 2: not like that's something that's said only in this newspaper article.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's been a that's been a rumor for a
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  Speaker 2: long long time.
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  Speaker 1: Well in just the the the demand, power and hours
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  Speaker 1: that Russia could have dedicated to this project. Two years
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  Speaker 1: is not a crazy window.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's ambitious, but it doesn't seem undoable given
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  Speaker 1: what we know about you know, the way that the
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  Speaker 1: Soviet machine could run when it wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: And like it's funny you'll see in these documents. At
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  Speaker 2: one point someone sends them a letter and is like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: do you think UFOs, Like, is that maybe just a
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  Speaker 2: foreign government trying to fuck with us? And they write
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  Speaker 2: back and they're like, no country has the technology to
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  Speaker 2: be able to fly a plane here. It's like damn really,
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  Speaker 2: And then you see other documents where they're like, well
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  Speaker 2: it's acknowledged that Russia has the ability to fly here
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  Speaker 2: if they want to, and like they're just telling people
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  Speaker 2: to obviously different things. Yeah, if you can believe that, ah,
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  Speaker 2: I can.
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  Speaker 1: It took a minute, but I found my way to it.
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  Speaker 2: And so yeah, when Russia stopped talking about UFOs and
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  Speaker 2: the state media, they thought it was because they were
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  Speaker 2: the ones doing it, and that's why that fucking one
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  Speaker 2: sentence in that one document is underlined. But they were
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  Speaker 2: also worried that they were somehow controlling or manipulating these
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  Speaker 2: sightings as a means of fooling the American public and
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  Speaker 2: causing chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now that's one of those things where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, but like why did you say it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, not just that it's a convenient cover if maybe
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  Speaker 2: you want to start testing UFOs, yep, for psychological warfare reasons. Well, yeah,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: you're like Russ just doing it.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: We gotta do it, yeah, because it really is just
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: like I mean, it's that kind of the same thing
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Rushia do with their state media, where it's like, don't
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: say it, don't say it, don't say it, don't say it,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: don't let anybody know what we got. Don't say it,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: don't say it, don't say it. And then here it's like.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Oh wait, yeah, and that's that's kind of the direction
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: it goes. Once that possibility is even suggested, we decide, yeah,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: we want to try and use these as a psyop also,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: and reminder, this is nineteen fifty two by this point
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: where we make that decision, So within five years of
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: seeing the first UFO we were like, let's use those
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: to fuck with people. Still no mention of aliens in
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: any of the Well's well, that's the thing, right, because
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: it's not until later that we start seeing all of.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: The like UFO movies and all of the aliens from
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: outer spaces are behind Flying Saucers films, and it's almost
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: kind of like, did somebody tell Hollywood to make these
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: movies so that we wouldn't think that we were the
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: ones building UFOs.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean foreshadowing alert. But when we talk about
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: doctor Leon Davidson, that was his theory was that the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: CIA created the UFO phenomenon for that very reason so
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: they could use it as psychological warfare against us, which
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like the CIA at all.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: No, they don't do stuff like that. And it's funny
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: in the documents too, where there's the one that's just like, well,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: we just need more resources to feel these reports and
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: also if they're real, maybe somebody should be looking into
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: it intelligence wise. And then immediately the next thing is like,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: oh man, these could be used to cause mass hysteria
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: and panic.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the CIA's like, shut up about it,
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: don't say we're involved, don't.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: It's it's sort of like the government like spook spy
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: culture version of you know, the Spencers and hot topics
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: executives going to like punk shows to find out what
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: the kids are into. There's even a quote right in
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: one of these that's like it's a field already charged
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: with partisanship, in which objectivity had been overridden by numerous
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: sensational writers. It's like they're they're kind of telegraphing there. Yeah,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this is this field where everybody's kind
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: of crazy, so maybe that's a thing.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it obviously partisanship means it divides people, and
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: boy do governments love dividing their populace in order to
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: control them. Turns out they didn't need aliens to do it.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: They just needed fucking Rush Limbaugh. Basically, there's three documents
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: in particular that people should read. Actually, you only need
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: to read one of them. The other two are kind
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: of redundant, but they're all about this report that the
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: CIA sent to the director of the Psychological Strategy Board
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: about flying saucers.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: What is that There are so many acronyms in here,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and so many, like I said, just proper downs and offices,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Like there's even what like right, there's the Unidentified Flying
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Objects Section of the Aircraft and Propulsion Branch of the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Technical Analysis Division of the Air Technical Intelligence Center. And
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: it's just like, wait, that is a whole lot. It's
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: so much and that's not even Yeah, when you start
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: saying things like psychological strategic.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the creepy things about the CIA
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: is it's so compared mentalized, like not only will they
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: not tell us what they're doing, but if you're hanging
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: out in the CIA cafeteria, they're not being buddy buddy
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: and telling each other what's going on in their respective departments.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: No, if you work there, you don't know what's going on.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like you don't probably get a guy, You probably
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: get prison shanked if you ask someone what they're working
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: on in there.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably someone who works at the CIA has been
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: directed to kill someone else who works at the CIA,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: like from the next fucking cubicle, Like.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, what do you what are you here working on?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: This is a pretty huge coincidence. But shoots the guy
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in the face.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: That's what I was here for.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: That's for putting fish in the microwave. Also, in addition
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: to it being my job, that.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Is a pretty heinous transgression, putting fish in the work microwave.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Oh you're a monster. Yeah.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Literally.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So this is how right off the bat, this is
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: how this report that we sent to the Psychological Strategy
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Board from the CIA, this is how it kicks off.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I am today transmitting to the National Security Council a
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: proposal in which it is concluded that the problems connected
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: with unidentified flying objects appear to have implications for psychological
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: warfare as well as for intelligence and operations. That is
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: signed by Walter B. Smith, who was the director of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the CIA at the time.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that again, that's another one of those things
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: where it's like, oh that name, Okay, that's I mean,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: it's like you can maybe step back and say, well,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: it's the CIA. So literally everything they're gonna talk about
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: is gonna have these implications, right Like, Also, it could
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you never know, like this could just be a guy
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: being like, man, I haven't done a lot of work
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: this week. If I don't come out with some report,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: they're gonna yell at me. So let me just see
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: what I can bullshit, you know. And maybe it is
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: a case of like Walter B. Smith just signs fucking
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: everything there, you know. So maybe it doesn't mean anything,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, it feels like it does.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: It's a twenty page memorandum exactly. There's a lot of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: detail in it, and some of those pages are duplicates,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: but it's like fifteen or sixteen pages. It's one of
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: the longest documents in this thing. And it goes into
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: a bunch of detail about how at the time, our
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: entire body of research in the UFOs consisted of a
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: three man department at the Air Force who was handling
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: every call, every inquiry, every sighting. And the CIA was like, hey,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: we should be doing a little more than that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: What do you think, well, because yeah, it's that division, right,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: that's just like the three people.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're like.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: We need to put more into this, we need a
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: worldwide system the Air Force. Yeah, And that's when the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: CIA in this report is like, you know, the Air
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Force is changing their process for this, but we feel
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: like we should do it right. And even that guy
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that worked there, Ruppolt, was like, I don't think intelligence
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: needs to have their hands on this. I think that
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this is an operations concerned. The CIA was like, wait, no,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: give us that, gimme, gim me, give.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Me and it's it's really interesting. We'll talk a little
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: bit at the end of this about there's this nineteen
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: fifty three report that comes out that the CIA ends
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: up wanting part of it classified, and as that fight
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: to get this one section of this report declassified carried on.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Eventually it was the Air Force who sued the CIA
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: was like, you have to declassify that, and they finally did.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about it. It is a creepy couple of
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: lines of text.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do kind of like that story that Tug
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of War where it's like, you know, it's just a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: handful of people at the Air Force are like, I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if these guys should have this.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That when I first was reading through these, this
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: is one of the things that anytime that report came up,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I read all of whatever they were talking about. And
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: that particular story it plays out like a movie, like
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: there's characters who get involved, and there's these moments where
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: it seems like they're gonna get it declassified, and then
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: they finally do, and you're.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Like, oh fuck, yeah, way won All those people are
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: probably dead now, all right. Yeah Timothy Allafunt, he's in
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the movie playing the guy that gets it declassified.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Great. So it also talks a lot about something called phantoms,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: which are exactly what they sound like, fake UFOs, be
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: it a machine designed to act like a UFO that's
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: really just something Russia built, or things that are projected
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: in the sky, and we were really interested in those.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, it's one of those things that it could
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: read like maybe they're just trying to say we need
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to separate the good reports from the bullshit, or maybe
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: they're trying to say, like, hey, we should get some phantoms.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were worried about them in one way or another,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: because there is this quote from the recommendations in that
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: memorandum taking immediate steps to improve identification of phantoms so
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: that in the event of attack, instant and positive identification
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: of enemy rockets or plans could be made.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: That on its own is kind of like, well, it
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: could be you know, hey, we need to know, like,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: we can't be shooting at holograms, right, we want to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: know what the real thing is because this will muddy
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the waters. But then the next thing.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: But then there's also this line, is this what you
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: were talking about? Yes, as far as what happens next,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: there's this line also about phantoms, And this is another
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: of their suggestions determination of what if any utilization should
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: be made of these phenomena by US psychological warfare planners,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: and what if any defenses should be planned in anticipation
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of Soviet attempts to utilize them. And they take it
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit further and talk about all of the
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: problems the intelligence community is facing at the time in
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: regards to UFOs, and specifically they were worried about their
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: lack of knowledge in the following areas, Whether any of
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: these phenomena are susceptible to control and can be thus
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: used either for military or psychological go offense or defense,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Whether any are predictable and can thus be taken advantage
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of in military or psychological operations, the present level of
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Russian knowledge regarding these phenomena, possible Soviet intentions and capabilities
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to utilize these phenomena to the detriment of US security interests.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And the last one the reasons for silence in the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Soviet press regarding flying saucers. So why weren't flying saucers
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: visiting Russia?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because also none of these reports, as
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: far as I know, mentioned War of the Worlds, which
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: is like, I mean, that's kind of a microcosmic case study, right, Yeah,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: for sure, Like, you know, it didn't freak out the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: whole nation the way people think it did, but it
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: was something and you know, this is this is a
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: good deal of time after that.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: But I'm going to make a bold statement here. If
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: War of the World's happened. Today, more people would freak out, though,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: yeah did back then. Yeah, Like these Midwest Bible thumpers
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: get in their car to go to work in the
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: morning and War of the Worlds is playing, They're gonna
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: fucking drive their car into a church something. I don't
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: know how. I don't know how that would play out.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Save me, Jesus, Save me, Jesus of coment.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: So this is a fascinating set of documents, and it
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: really sheds a lot of light on how we initially
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: responded to UFOs and what we were planning to do
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: about it, and at various points when it talks about
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: the process we had in place at the time for
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: documenting UFO sightings, they keep mentioning a questionnaire, and that
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: questionnaire is in the files. There are two of them.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: There's one that's about what Air Force pilots should make
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: note of when they spot a UFO, and there's one
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: that's a set of guidelines for people who photograph UFOs.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So I think people kind of have this, like at
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: least really skeptical types kind of have it in their
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: mind that roswell happened, and then we found out it
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: was a weather balloon and that was the beginning and
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: end of the UFO story, and stuff like this proves
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: that's not the case. Like the government's whipping up questionnaires
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: for the Air Force and for budding photographers to get
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: images of these things. We were legitimately interested concerned. I
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: don't know one of those two.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: It's interesting because they are, you know, on the one hand,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: this is like you said, on the CIA and the
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: CIA park they're all talking about, you know, the psychological
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: warfare implications of this. The Air Force is like definitely
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: more interested in like, all right, we need to know
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: what's real and what's not, Like that's what we care
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: about here. So they're issuing like all of these you know, hey,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: if you if you're taking a picture, here's the rules,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: here's how you submit, here's the questions you want to
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: think about and then submit to us, and that'll help
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: us decide you know what's it's a filter. Yeah, whereas
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: this it's almost like the CIA knows something that the
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Air Force doesn't. That.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing, Like, that's the way that the
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: way this progresses. That's either the CIA knew something all
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: along or at some point they figured something out. Yeah,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: And they were like, all right, we're not talking about
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: UFOs anymore.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just think with the number of Nazis
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: working at the CIA even at this time.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: That's the thing, Like, are we supposed to think these
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Nazis stopped being Nazis when they joined the CIA? Of
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: course not. They became Nazis. They hate black people, that's all.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. They it just became Nazis with a new
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: frontier for their agread yeah exactly. You know, Oh hey,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: we were getting bored I hate in this group of people. Wow,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: there's so many more new ones to hate over here,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, because the Nazis, like, look, they knew,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: you know, some of the people working there had to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: have known, you know, had to have had receipts on
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: some of the stuff that was being built in their bases.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: When the Soviets showed up, oh like you know, they're
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: not and they're gonna be like, I don't tell the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: Air Force. Let them, they're gonna tell everybody. Just let
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: them think that it's this other thing. And we got it.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: We know, we know what it is. We know what
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: it really is over here.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing we're we're talking about the Cia.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: So even that article that said the Soviets stole plans
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: for UFOs from one single Nazi base, that could be
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: an article we planted, right, because that it seems more
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: likely that they would document that, because like it's it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like a murderer keeping trophies, like they're gonna keep a
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: document of their success. And maybe that's what they were
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: trying to do was convince people this is Russia.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Russia, Russia's got them. It's not us. It's
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: not all look at Area fifty one, it's not that's
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: not us. That's something else.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: That's why we need to look into it for psychological
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: warfare reasons, because Russia's doing it. Hey, that's very, very possible.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: There's a really interesting passage way down on the thirteenth
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: page of this report about how the Air Force Group
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: plotted a map of unexplained sightings Yeah yeah, and found
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that a lot of them happened around nuclear installations or
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: strategic Air command bases, which that's interesting. But then they
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: also add a tag to it where they're like, but
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: it could just be because people in those areas look
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: at the sky more. It's like, oh, yeah, I guess,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: but I don't know that it's the unexplained ones that
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: are all near nuclear sites in Air Command. That's weird. Yeah,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the Air Force should have definitely been involved in this
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: more because they were at the same time, the.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Air Force and the things are in the air.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and at this time they were working on something
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: called Project Lincoln, which was our first ground based air
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: defense system. So probably gonna want to rope with the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: e in on that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: They even say that right in the report with the
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Air Force. I'm sorry, the Air Force report, they even
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: say that, where they're like, yeah, we kind of think
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: that Project Lincoln should be in on this. We think
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that's probably where this information should go. Maybe that's where
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the reports should go.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: And then the CIA is like, but yeah, but people
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: are mentally conditioned to the acceptance of the incredible show.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing there are in this report. Also,
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: it says there have been fifteen hundred sightings since nineteen
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: forty seven, which I don't think that's how history tells it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I think we have heard about what like five or
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: six from that time, but fifteen hundred, fifteen hundred, that's
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: a whole lot.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was a craze. It was sweeping the nation,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: all the rage.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: And in this official report it says flying saucers posed
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: two elements of danger which have national security implications. The
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: first involves mass psychological considerations and the second concerns the
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: vulnerability of the United States to air attack. And then
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: there's another line about the psychological considerations. Here it goes,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: let me know if you agree Americans, a fair proportion
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: of our population is mentally conditioned to the acceptance of
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: the incredible. Man, I'm not comfortable here in the CIA
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: say that at all. No, no, because again Leon Davidson,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: the guy they're most interested in, was like, hey, you're
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: faking this. This isn't this isn't real. And CIA was like, no,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: we're not.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: No, stop it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Many we didn't do it.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: You did it. You did it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: The Soviets got those, we were we don't even know
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: any Nazis. And yeah, that line is concerning because of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: what happens next. By nineteen fifty three, there's an advisory
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: panel that had put together a report about the concerns
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: about UFOs and possible solutions called the Report of the
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Scientific Panel on Unidentified Flying Objects Very on the Nose,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: title and despite having a whole lot to say about
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the possible psychological warfare potential of UFOs in nineteen fifty two,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: by nineteen fifty three, the CIA didn't want their name
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: mentioned with this project in any way, shape or form.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: And here's the thing. They sponsored it. It was the
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: CIA's idea, and by the time that report came out,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: they were like, sh don't tell anyone we care about UFOs.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: That's not our kid. That's not our kid. Given with
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of intelligence agencies, maybe one of them is
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the Maybe it's their kid, it's not us. We didn't
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: It's very suspicious.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: My name's Frankenstein doesn't mean that your kid who's named
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Frankenstein is my kid.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: They also demanded that a couple of short passages be removed,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: but very important ones, specifically the conclusions stated in paragraph
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: three and the recommendations in paragraph four B and will
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: on a future episode get into the back and forth
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: between them in the Air Force and Leon Davidson to
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: get this declassified. It carries on for years, yeah, years
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: and years and years, but eventually those sections were declassified.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: And here's what they said. This is paragraph three. The
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: panel further concludes that the continued emphasis on the reporting
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: of these phenomena does, in these perilous times, result in
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: a threat to the orderly functioning of the protective organs
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of the body politic. We cite as examples the clogging
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: of channels of communication by irrelevant reports, the danger of
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: being led by continued false alarms to ignore real indications
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: of hostile tactics, and the cultivation of a national psychology
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: in which skillful hostile propaganda could induce hysterical behavior and
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: harmful distrust of duly constituted authority. I'm so glad nothing
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: like that ever happened in the United States.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: That is a fucking slam poem.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It is, and it's also creepy how rele event it
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: is to right now.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Gosh, yeah, no, it's a good thing that this doesn't
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: apply to us in twenty twenty one at all.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Like it sounds like they're talking about social media.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is basically literally, this is a slam poem
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: about Facebook.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, they're talking about fake news. They're talking
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: about false claims clogging up the channels that you would
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: use to call and say, hey, Russia's sending a bomb
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: our way And then there's paragraph four B here that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: goes the panel further concludes that the national security agencies
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: institute policies on intelligence training and public education designed to
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: prepare the material defenses and the morale of the country
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: to recognize most promptly and to react most effectively to
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: true indications of hostile intent or action. And the CIA
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: was like, Nope, we're not going to do that. Don't
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: tell people that, don't tell them anything about psychological warfare
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: or being defrauded by fake UFOs, don't even put our
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: name in this fucking thing.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's the fact that they wanted them classify
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: that creates the suspicion, because exactly again, on their face,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: these are things that are kind of like, well, yeah, sure,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: but if somebody's like, don't tell people that, it's like wait,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: why yeah, why? And why why don't you want me
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: to tell everyone that silver bullets kill werewolves? Why? Actually
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: that sounds like something a fucking werewolf would say.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And like their argument for paragraph three was that, well,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: that's telling our enemies how they can attack us, and
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: that I kind of buy.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But the thing about what are you faxing this report
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: directly to the Russians exactly.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: But the thing about not telling the public or like
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: giving the public some training on spotting fake UFOs, that's
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: highly suspicious that they wanted that taken out. Yeah, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: it ends up being the thing that that Leon Davidson
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: guy is most suspicious about. That's why he wanted this
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: thing declassified, because he was like, CEI is faking this
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: dun dund dundon.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the plot thickens, So yeah, it'll seem even
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: more suspicious when we get into doctor Leon Davidson on
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: the next episode. Yeah, because there's no other reason why
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't want that said, unless you know, just like logically.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mentioned this on the un Pops episode also,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: but that idea that at some point the United States
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: is going to pull like a fake alien invasion to
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: institute a one world government that is the heart of
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the new World Order conspiracy, Like that part where they
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: project the thing into the sky in conspiracy theory circles,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: it's called Project Bluebeam. And I read a there's a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: free thirty two page book on Amazon, one of the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: most underrated sites for like no one ever is like,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: did you see this fucking conspiracy documentary on Amazon? Like,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: no one is ever worried about the shit Amazon posts
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: and it's some of the craziest, craziest shit. But uh,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: this was a book. It was thirty two pages, No sources,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: didn't cite anything. It read like a manifesto about the
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: new World Order. And here's the thing. I kind of
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: feel like that's the best source. So at some point
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: we probably will dive into that book also because it
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: all I feel like, that's kind of what this is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: all building up to, is, at least to some extent,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: is people thinking the CIA is faking all this.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Which the end of Watchman again.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But it also you always hear that thing where they're like, yeah,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: they want you to think the CIA is faking this
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: or is doing this to pull off some massive fraud,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: when really we're just working with weapons the likes of
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: which would shatter your belief in God if you knew
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: they existed. So yeah, you go think the CIA is
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: doing this for Jolly's.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's always right, there's always the like,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: oh man, that's the cover up with this kind of stuff.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: You kind of can't win because it's always is gonna
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: be oh that thing you think that's the false flag
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: that's what they want you to think. It's actually even
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: crazier until it's like, well, okay, interdimensional. It's also versions
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of ourselves from a future timeline are doing this, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: it's not because of any kind of like investment in
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: world domination or world salvation. It's just how they entertain themselves.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: It's a prank show for a future timeline, that's all
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: It's also one of those conspiracy theories that true or not, Like,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: if it's true, that's just the world we're living in,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and that's that's where we're fucking headed. I mean we
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: are not. That's why when people are like, oh, are
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: you worried the CIA is gonna kill you? Fuck no,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: they know, like what's gonna happen. I'm gonna stop the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: New World Order with this fucking podcast.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Of course, not anytime the word the term New World
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Order enters into a conversation like this, it's like I
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: just have to throw my hands up and be like, Okay, well,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I guess what are we gonna do about it? Literally nothing?
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Do you have alien weaponry in your basement that you
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: can use to go on some crazy fucking mission. You
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: can't stop it? If they're gonna do a new world order.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: They're gonna do a new world order, and hey, that's
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the way it is.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing. People aren't gonna like this, especially not
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory types. But if I was alive when this happened,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: and I know everything I know about conspiracy theories, I'd
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: be a little proud, Like I would be like, fucking
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: ay they did it. Get like, yeah, I believe whatever.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: I'll take your new fangled religion. What the fuck ever? Sure?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, if you're gonna put the chip in, I
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: want it on my right side because I sleep on
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: my left side sometimes and it's you know, I feel
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: like it's close to the heart, and I just think
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like it'll mess up my chip reception. So
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: right behind the right ear, if you could, if that's
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: where the chip's going.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: If you follow the timeline, you'll have the chip before
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that happens, because that's how the voice of the projection
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: will sound in your head.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: And oh, that's right, that's right, that's right. Can I
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: get my chip in a like? I want a satanic
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: flavor to it? So like, could you put a little
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: six six six on it? Like? I know no one's
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: gonna see it, but I just like to know it's there,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: just for for giggles.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want mine, like on my forehead so it's noticeable,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: like you can see it under the skin. Oh yeah, yeah,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: especially if it glows. If it glows, I want it
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: dead center.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, what's that?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: It's my third eye.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Give me some William Gibson fashion ship. I want some.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I want Yeah, I want a literal third eye. I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: don't care if it's cybernetic, give it to me.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like if this is one of those like
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the New World Order. If you if you think you're
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: dedicating your life to fight in the New World Order,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I guarantee what you're dedicating your life to is being
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: tracked by the government on the internet. That's all. That's
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: all you're doing, all your fucking New World Order message boards.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah you are, you are the radical element.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Is but gonna be getting hassled at the airport anytime
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you want to fly to a convention. Congrats.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: But it's but it's fun to talk about.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: No, Oh, it is fun to talk about. It's always
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: fun to talk about, like it is. It's I hate
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: that I'm this cynical, but it's like a prestige TV show.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Like reading these documents, I feel like I'm watching mad Men,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is a snapshot in time, even the
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: stuff in the nineties when we like the entire country,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: like we didn't have any enemies, so so.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: We went back to aliens again for a little bi Yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Well, no, not even that. All of the CIA files
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: in the nineties are just like reports about what's on
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: local television in different areas, and then occasionally there will
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: be a UFO report. So that's where our UFO research was.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: By the nineties, we were watching televisions.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Occasionally some civil war they're stoking in the Balkans or something.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one that we probably caused with a UFO.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, harp. Actually it's Dracula related. All of our Balkans
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: CIA missions were Dracula related. No UFOs. They've seen UFOs there,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: it's not they're not impressed by it anymore. But vampires
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: they still that cuts deep over there.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: So also HARP is how they're going to do the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: projection in the sky in case you were wondering, which
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: harp is very weird. It's this array of like telescopes
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: or not telescopes. What are they they're like lasers, they
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: can shoot energy into the ionosphere. And they're based on
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: this patent that if that patent works, you can control
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: the weather with it. Like scientists have looked at it
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and been like, fuck, this would work, but it requires
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: that the beam be really centralized. And there's this CBC
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: in Canada is super into conspiracy theories, and they have
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: a whole episode about HARP and they're interviewing this government agent,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: some like from some US intelligence agency, and he's being
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: so smug and like cagy about answering shit, and at
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: one point she's like, well, if this patent works the
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: way it says it does, it would control the weather.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: And the guy goes, yeah, but in the patent it
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: says you have to focus the beams. And this woman
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: pulls out a HARP training manual and flips it open
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: and goes it says right here that you can focus
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: the beam, and the guy just smiles at her in shrugs.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you what?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got me. Now what are you going to
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: do about it? We will send a signal to destroy
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: your home up to the ion a sphere. Fucking try us.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have fuck getting fried from space today?
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Idiot. And there is when I did we did an
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: episode about HARP. I had to use the wayback machine.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: But there was a point on the HARP website where
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: it said that we were using it for defense purposes also,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and then that eventually got that part got scrubbed from
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the website.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: That weather that's how he killed Galactus when he came
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: to eat the plant. Don't you remember that, like nineteen
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: ninety gosh, I'm trying to remember, I for it was
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: before or after the Macarena.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I think that's right. I think up in the atmosphere when.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Galactus was going to eat the planet and
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: they used HARP to kill them, right.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: But that's why Fukushima happened. Also, Oh yeah, for sure.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: And you mean take the good with the bad butterfly effect.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: You keep digging, right, you keep peeling back the layers
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: of this onion. Pretty soon Courtney Love, we get Courtney time. Yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: these documents are interesting and I need to spend more
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: time with them, because again the first one I read,
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I read a few of them in their entirety. I mean,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: obviously not the ones that are redacted to shit, right,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: everyone that read those are dead. But yeah, that first one,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: it's just it kind of like paints this sort of like, well,
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: we need to put more resources into figuring this out,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: because if these things are real, we need to be
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: ready for them and figure them out. And even if
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: they're not real, they free people out and someone could
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: use that to do some bad shit maybe, And then
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: the CIA documents are like, hey, what was that bad
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: shit that we could do? Because we want to do it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: And then a year later they're like, don't tell anyone
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: we care about this.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly will get you.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: We'll get you. I should mention the source of these documents.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously it's the CIA, but also there's a
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: website called the Black Vault dot com And if you
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: look at these documents you'll know it's from the Black
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Vault dot com because their website image is plastered at
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: the bottom of a bunch of them. Thanks to them
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: for putting this out in a way that people can
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: just access it and download it, and we'll link to
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: it in the show notes for this episode, so you
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: can go read twenty seven hundred CIA files about UFOs
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and Andy. Do you know what else they have? What
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the FBI's paranormal files. We should probably talk about those
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: at some time. Yeah, that is exciting.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I wanted ed Lorraine Warren. We're fucking FBI agents.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Oh probably.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's I don't even know if
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: that's a theory, but I'm it sounds fun, so I'm
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: saying it.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: They were a problem of some sort.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: They were. I mean, they're the fucking worst.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: They were there.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: They were awful, horrible, evil people.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And so are the Conjuring movies.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love the first Conjuring movie. But
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: we really need to we really need to get rid
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: of them in the horror genre. They are a problem.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: We need to we need to be done with the Warrens.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: It's not cool to make them look cool. I get it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Via Farmiga and Patrick Wilson are hot. I get it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Haven't played somebody else. The fucking Warrens were trash. But
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I want to see if the FBI has a report
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: on Amityville.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be fascinating. Private unlisted YouTube videos.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Oh I gotta go check that out. Well, what through
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: the Freedom of Information Act? They have private unlisted YouTube videos?
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Too hot for the Internet.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: God, I don't think I want to see anything that's
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: quote unduly too hot for the internet.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, thank you to the Black Vault for compiling
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: all this in a way people can access it. Do
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: we have anything to plug before we get out of here, Andy,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we do, do we? We may
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: or may not have a new season of The Music
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Podcast coming up?
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're doing a
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: new season of The Music Pod about Steve Earle.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm really excited for that. That's like the seventh
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: choice we've made, I think.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we really went back and forth because we were
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: gonna do Marilyn Manson and it turns out he's scum,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: so we can't really do that.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: There were a number of acts that we've talked about,
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: but I'm excited for Steve Earle.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's interesting. Yeah he is. He's a character.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: He sure is. Well, he's literally a character on Tree
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: and The Wire. I mean not, he's an actor on
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: those shows playing a different character.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Right. But you know what, I've never seen Tremee. But
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: he is Bubble's AA sponsor on The Wire.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: He's he's good Tree. He's not I don't want to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: spoil anything, but he's not in a lot of it.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, does he get abducted by aliens?
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Actually harp to make Katrina happen?
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: That is a rumor, Andy that it is a rumor.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I have anything else to plug.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I've got new episodes of Goal School on the way.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I have a new podcast on the way called Look
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Good for the Boys, a horror gossip podcast. You can
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter at Look Good Number four Boys.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: That's our Twitter. I think our Instagram has just Look
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Good for the Boys. I don't know. I'm not in
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: charge of our social media, but that's coming. New episodes
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of Goals School are coming. Yeah. Nothing other than that
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: to plug except I'm fully vaxxed now and just in
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: time to see the new Saw movie in the theater.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Oh that's right. Yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: I am probably going to cry during it, which is
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: gonna be fun.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I cried when I saw in the Earth in theaters,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: but not for the same reason you're gonna cry. And
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: you see the New Saw movie.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Oh God, I was so excited for that too, did
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: you I still haven't seen it. No, because you told
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: me what you thought of it, and I was like, well,
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pay for it now.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the missed X. The happening gross. If the
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: happening was funny.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I don't even which that happening is funny.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Happening is one of the best unintentional comedies.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're okay, there's some funny shit in it,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: that's true.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: As far as my plugs, we're gonna be changing the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Patreon and supercast levels soon, so beyond the lookout for that.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: We're gonna streamline things a little bit because I got
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of fucking shows. I can't do them all
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: at once, so be on the lookout for that. I'm
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: launching a sub stack soon so you can give me
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: money to write and help me pay off my massive
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: tax debt. That will be called alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Friends.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: It's already out there. You can go sign up for it.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I just haven't written anything yet, so but you'll know
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: when I do, and then you'll be able to start
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: funneling funds in my direction in exchange for articles and things.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take a second job and not get
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: paid for it, you know, Yeah, Oh yeah.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: For sure. No, why would you do?
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: And I think that's it.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Should we get out of here?
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I don't I mean maybe, you know, I don't have
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: anything to do. If you want to just like hang
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: out here for a little.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Bit, I'm gonna stare at the I for four hours.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, just see what see what comes by?
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna listen to Extra Terrestrial Intelligence by
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Blue Oyster Cult.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I got this guy. We got these questionnaires.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Now, oh wow, we should fill those out.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Be on the ready, fill them out?
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, get ready to watch some I don't know,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Jesus fucking Christ talk right now.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Let's get out of here. Andy say goodbye, good bye, goodbye. Everybody.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: We love you.