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#1896 Interviewed By A Listener - Kelly Smith (PT1) · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get a you bloody champions, it's Harps. Who else
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Speaker 1: would be welcome to the you projects? So I put
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Speaker 1: out a little a call, you know, out in the
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Speaker 1: podcast Wilderness a couple of weeks ago, asking for you,
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Speaker 1: my listeners, my faithful, trusty listeners, to send in a
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Speaker 1: queue that I might provide an A four for some
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Speaker 1: Q and A. And one of our cheeky listeners who's
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Speaker 1: not totally unfamiliar to all of you, Kelly, who's been
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Speaker 1: on the show once before, went well, I've got more
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Speaker 1: than a question. I've got a couple and oh no,
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Speaker 1: I think you said, can I come on and ask
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Speaker 1: these questions? Or something like that? Firstly, Hi, Kel, how
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Speaker 1: are you?
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Speaker 2: Hi? Craig, I'm good. I did ask that. I thought
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Speaker 2: I'm going to be cheeky and you'll either say yes
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Speaker 2: or no.
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Speaker 1: I love that though. I love that. Look if you're
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Speaker 1: a if you're a well, if you listen and you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't mind doing one of these one day and you
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Speaker 1: think you know you can come on and ask me
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Speaker 1: some questions, well we'll do another one. We're not going
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Speaker 1: to do a million of them, but you know, I
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Speaker 1: definitely go into the group and hit me up and
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Speaker 1: at some stage we'll do another one. But so the
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Speaker 1: quick backstory that is not large, but call and I
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Speaker 1: train at the same gym, So I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know our Is that our origin story the gym
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Speaker 1: or is it like did you? I know that we've
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Speaker 1: kind of we high five each other near the bloody
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Speaker 1: cable crossovers and the bench press, and we we share
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Speaker 1: a little bit of love, but we don't really know
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Speaker 1: each other off the podcast or outside the gym that much.
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Speaker 1: Is that we initially intersected?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the gym. I remember seeing people kind of flocking
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Speaker 2: around you and I thought, who, who on earth is
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Speaker 2: this person? Why is he so? Why is he so popular?
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Speaker 2: Why is he so intriguing? And then yeah, I just
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Speaker 2: kind of stumbled upon who you were and we started talking.
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Speaker 2: You know, I got over my intimation and said hello
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Speaker 2: a couple of times and that was it, and started
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Speaker 2: listening to the podcast and really got a lot out
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Speaker 2: of it. So I think that's our Yeah, that's our origin.
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Speaker 1: And I think we did a listener Asking Me Questions
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Speaker 1: series a couple of years ago and you came on,
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Speaker 1: do you remember what nump? Doesn't matter? I don't do
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Speaker 1: you remember what number it was? I don't.
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Speaker 2: I think it was about five years ago.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've been around for that long, all right.
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Speaker 1: So you actually came up with some really good questions. So,
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Speaker 1: as always everyone, I normally don't know the questions in advance,
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Speaker 1: and I've not done any massive preparation or anything. But
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Speaker 1: I've given each of these questions a little bit of
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Speaker 1: thought because Kelly's questions were really different and insightful. And
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Speaker 1: I'm not just pissing in your pocket because you hear
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Speaker 1: quite clever. And for me, I get asked a lot
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Speaker 1: of the same shit, and I do lots of other
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Speaker 1: people's podcasts, and that's okay. I'm not mad at answering
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Speaker 1: the same questions, but you know, it's nice when I
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Speaker 1: get asked questions that you know. Also, I get asked
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Speaker 1: questions I don't know the answers to, of course, but
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Speaker 1: I'll give I'll share some thoughts or ideas. But these
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Speaker 1: questions are really good. So we're gonna we're going to
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Speaker 1: see how we land. I feel like this is going
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Speaker 1: to end up being two or three short ish podcasts.
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Speaker 1: We have fifteen questions in total, and knowing me and
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Speaker 1: my verbosity, as Sister Kathleen used to say, I am
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Speaker 1: excessively verbose and loquacious, and that I am. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: let's get underway, let's go, let's see how we go.
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Speaker 1: And this could be one long podcast or a few
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Speaker 1: different ones, and anything that you want to add or
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Speaker 1: weave in around your questions and my answers, feel free.
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Speaker 1: Kelly Smith, takeover.
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Speaker 2: Take over. Well, I wanted to ask you things that
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Speaker 2: were different to what I've heard on the podcast, because
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Speaker 2: I do listen to almost every episode and I'm not
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Speaker 2: just saying that's pissing your pocket because I'm here, I
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Speaker 2: genuinely do. So what I've noticed at the moment is
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Speaker 2: that there is a huge uptake in the health and wellbeing,
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Speaker 2: fitness fitness influencer space, and you know, every other person
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Speaker 2: has something to say about that. So I was wondering,
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Speaker 2: is there anyone or any single message that you feel
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Speaker 2: is absolutely on point at the moment in that space?
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Speaker 2: And the opposite of that, is there any messaging that
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Speaker 2: you think is completely off base?
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go with question one. So the question
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Speaker 1: is do I think there's anything that's getting brought up
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Speaker 1: a lot or presented a lot in media and social
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Speaker 1: media that's bang on. So that there's there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of culti thinking and a lot of emotional kind of
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Speaker 1: bro science pseudoscience that I don't see eye to eye with,
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Speaker 1: But there's one message that's starting to get a fair
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Speaker 1: bit of airtime that I fucking love and I'm giving
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Speaker 1: it a fair bit of airtime. And this is this
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Speaker 1: is not new, by the way. We've known this for
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Speaker 1: a long time, but we've never really leaned into it.
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Speaker 1: We've never really shone a light on it, and we've
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Speaker 1: never in public really opened the door widely on it.
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Speaker 1: And that is the message around the importance of an
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Speaker 1: impact on love, connection, kindness, social acceptance, and belonging on physical, mental,
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Speaker 1: and emotional health. So we talk a lot in our
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Speaker 1: world about, of course, about food, and about exercise, and
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Speaker 1: about sleep, and about drugs and about boos and about
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Speaker 1: stress and about all of those things, and we need
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Speaker 1: to talk about those because they are all factors and
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Speaker 1: variables which one hundred percent impact on a person's physical, mental,
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Speaker 1: and emotional health. But what we know now is that
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Speaker 1: things like loneliness and social disconnection and isolation and rejection
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Speaker 1: and an individual feeling like they don't belong with, they're
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Speaker 1: not wanted or loved or needed, has an incredibly negative
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Speaker 1: effect on their physiology, not just their psychology and their
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Speaker 1: emotional state. So the answer is, what I'm loving is
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Speaker 1: that we're now starting to recognize the impact of sociology
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Speaker 1: in broad terms, the way a person operates on a
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Speaker 1: sociological level with friends and family and other humans, and
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Speaker 1: the impact of that, and the role of that, and
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Speaker 1: the importance of that with helping people live long and strong.
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Speaker 1: So you know, like I think this kel. I don't
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Speaker 1: have data on this, but I'm pretty fucking sure about this.
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Speaker 1: If somebody had ticked all the boxes pretty well, not perfect,
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Speaker 1: but they eat pretty well, they exercise pretty well, they
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Speaker 1: sleep pretty well. You know, they don't do much booze,
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Speaker 1: they don't eat much junk, they walk a fair bit.
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Speaker 1: They tick all of the boxes, and they're somewhere in
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Speaker 1: the ballpark of a seven to nine out of ten
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Speaker 1: on all of those markers or variables. But that person
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Speaker 1: lives by themselves and are isolated and lonely and feel
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Speaker 1: unloved and unwanted and socially and emotionally disconnected, I think
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Speaker 1: that will have a bigger impact on them than any
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Speaker 1: of the other variables in isolation. Right. So yeah, because
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Speaker 1: when you're lonely, your biochemistry changes. You know, when you're lonely,
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Speaker 1: you're producing, for one of a more accurate scientific term,
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Speaker 1: sad hormones and stress hormones. And hormones affect your physiology
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Speaker 1: from a cellular level up. And we know there's a
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Speaker 1: you've probably heard me bang on about it. There's a
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Speaker 1: thing called ah fuckuld you fuck? Come on, harps, reach
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Speaker 1: into the old mental It's called psychoneuroimmunology. There it is
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Speaker 1: from the shelf up the back of my brain. Psychooneuroimmunology
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Speaker 1: or p and I talks about the relationship between basically
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Speaker 1: how you are mentally and emotionally and the impact that
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Speaker 1: that has on your immune system and also everything else.
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Speaker 1: So the long winded answer is, I think we're shine
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Speaker 1: in the health wellness fitness space. We're now starting to
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Speaker 1: talk about the fact that being in healthy relationships, being loved, needed, wanted, connected,
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Speaker 1: is actually a huge effect of an impact on not
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Speaker 1: only physical, mental, emotional health, but also health span and lifespan. Help.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think also too? And this is a
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Speaker 2: side note to it, but given that we've got organizations
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Speaker 2: like the AFL shining a light on men's mental health rounds,
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Speaker 2: and then we've got players who are sadly taking their
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Speaker 2: lives because of mental health issues. Do you think that
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Speaker 2: it becoming more mainstream in such a way is also
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Speaker 2: helping to shine that light on love and connection rather
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Speaker 2: than you know, you need muscles and you need to
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Speaker 2: be bloky, or you need to be chummy or whatever
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Speaker 2: it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure, And look, I mean, I think there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of things which are pigeonholed on. Men can't talk
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Speaker 1: about emotions or that's kind of bullshit that men are
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Speaker 1: definitely not as good as women, I think, But that's
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Speaker 1: just my opinion. But look, dude's I talk about I'm
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Speaker 1: constantly talking about feelings and emotions and I'm a bit
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Speaker 1: of an alpha male, But am I I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I've got biceps. But I'll give you a hug, I'll
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Speaker 1: fucking cry with you, I'll sit with you, I'll have
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Speaker 1: snot going on with you. I'll do the whole fucking
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Speaker 1: shooting match, and I'll tell you about all my flaws
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Speaker 1: and weaknesses and bullshit and fear and insecurity and I
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Speaker 1: don't think that makes me less of a bloke, right,
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you're absolutely right, and it is good that
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Speaker 1: we're bringing this to, you know, a space where it's
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Speaker 1: it's more visible, it's more talked about, there's more awareness.
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Speaker 1: We're pulling it out of the darkness into the light,
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Speaker 1: and it's it is for the obvious reasons of mental
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Speaker 1: health and suicide prevention and all of that, of course,
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Speaker 1: but also just more broadly. You know, people who feel
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Speaker 1: like I consciously, intentionally and consciously find a way to
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Speaker 1: at least invest a little bit of time and energy
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Speaker 1: and love into people that I don't know, or whenever
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Speaker 1: I can. I was going to say every day, Well
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Speaker 1: that's not true, because every day an opportunity doesn't present itself,
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Speaker 1: but whenever I can. And I think that, you know,
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Speaker 1: not only and I know this sounds all shit.
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Speaker 3: We've got all very deep and spiritual very quickly, but
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Speaker 3: I truly just believe that not only is it great
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Speaker 3: for the person that you're giving love to and paying
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Speaker 3: attention to and sharing some unconditional kindness with, I think it's.
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Speaker 1: Great for you too. And absolutely I know there's another
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Speaker 1: question about that. Just read out your second question again,
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Speaker 1: because I glossed over it.
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Speaker 2: So question two, So basically, what's the opposite? Do you
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Speaker 2: think there's any messaging at the moment that is completely inaccurate?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, I think there's a I don't want to
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Speaker 1: identify a specific thing, but I think that the broad
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Speaker 1: kind of messaging that that happens in. Look, it happens
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Speaker 1: in what I would call psychological, ideological, and scientific or
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Speaker 1: pseudo scientific silos. Do you like that? And what I
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Speaker 1: mean by that is people saying this is the best
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Speaker 1: way too, This is the best way to lose weight
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Speaker 1: or fat, This is the best way to build muscle,
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Speaker 1: This is the best way to sleep effectively, This is
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Speaker 1: the best way to hydrate, this is the best way
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Speaker 1: to get rich. This is you know, all of that
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Speaker 1: anything around, And what I truly believe is that you
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Speaker 1: know there is there is There are very few things
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Speaker 1: that work for everybody the same, in fact, other than
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Speaker 1: fucking eating oxygen. I reckon, we all need that, right, Well,
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Speaker 1: that's a given, but there's not much you know, Well,
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Speaker 1: we all need water, we all need you know. But
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Speaker 1: even then you go, well how much water do you need? Well,
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Speaker 1: how much do your weigh? How much did you sweat? Today,
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Speaker 1: how much do you typically sweat? You know, what kind
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Speaker 1: of food did you eat? Did the food that you
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Speaker 1: eat was it high water content food or low water
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Speaker 1: content food? Because if you eat a diet the high
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Speaker 1: and water content food, you don't need to drink as
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Speaker 1: much as the person who doesn't. Oh, I didn't know that, right,
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Speaker 1: So there are a lot of variables. So what I
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Speaker 1: hate is any messaging that tells people that this is
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Speaker 1: the best way for everyone to achieve this particular outcome.
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Speaker 1: And I wrote something yesterday specific to this, which is
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Speaker 1: not a very good it's not a very good kind
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Speaker 1: of interruption, but I'm going to find it. So I
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Speaker 1: wrote this thing yesterday and it's specific to what I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. And it's a whiteboard of mine that you've
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Speaker 1: probably read twenty times. It's old, and the whiteboard says
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Speaker 1: something works for everybody, but everything doesn't work for everybody,
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Speaker 1: So find your something. And then I wrote in the
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Speaker 1: comment there's no universal best diet, workout, sleep protocol, medication, supplement, lifestyle,
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Speaker 1: or even job. That is, there's no single intervention, strategy
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Speaker 1: or approach that works equally well for everyone. But there
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Speaker 1: is a best everything for you, the individual what works
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Speaker 1: optimally for me could be anywhere between mildly effective and
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Speaker 1: disastrous for you. My healthy snack could be your anaphylactic reaction.
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Speaker 1: My dream career could be your nightmare job. The medication
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Speaker 1: that helps me function might give you anxiety. Don't confuse
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Speaker 1: advertising with information or truth or pseudoscience with actual science.
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Speaker 1: Your body is your greatest teacher and truth teller. And
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Speaker 1: so for me, that's like I'm like, even when you've
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Speaker 1: got to remember when a doctor, a dietitian, like we're
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Speaker 1: talking about a GP here, and even surgeons to an extent,
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Speaker 1: and exercise scientists and psychologists, and when we sit in
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Speaker 1: front of a person like me. I've written tens of
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Speaker 1: thousands of programs for people, fitness, exercise program strength programs,
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Speaker 1: a myriad of different variations of that. I've trained. I've
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Speaker 1: done over fifty thousand PT sessions. Now, if you came
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Speaker 1: to me, and I know you reasonably well, you sat
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Speaker 1: down and you went, Craig, this is me. You've seen
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Speaker 1: my body, you know me, and you said, Craig, these
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Speaker 1: are my goals. And then I said, cal let's do
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Speaker 1: some testing. And then with all of that data, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to then write you a program, and what that
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Speaker 1: program is is my best guess at what I think
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Speaker 1: will work based on all my knowledge and experience and
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Speaker 1: all the shit you told me. But is it going
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Speaker 1: to be the perfect program? No chance. So everything is
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Speaker 1: kind of to a point, high level trial and error
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Speaker 1: and educated guessing. When a doctor like I've got this
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Speaker 1: thing called you station tube dysfunction, right, my ears, one
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Speaker 1: of my ears blocks usually not both at the same time,
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Speaker 1: but one or the other blocks. And it's like I've
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Speaker 1: been trying to resolve this problem. I reckon. I've spoken
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Speaker 1: to ten medical people who've all given me different advice,
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Speaker 1: which is cool, who are all qualified, all knowledgeable, spoken
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Speaker 1: a pharmacists. I've spoken to a bunch of people I've
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Speaker 1: done and they've all given me medical advice. They've all
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Speaker 1: got more knowledge than me. They've all given me advice.
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Speaker 1: None of the advice worked, right, So this is my point.
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Speaker 1: My point is everyone's taking an educated.
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Speaker 2: Guess yep, yep. So there's no one size fits all
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Speaker 2: for obviously not.
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Speaker 1: And even down to one that might surprise you. It's
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Speaker 1: like people would think I would say everyone should lift weights. No,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I would say everyone over forty
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Speaker 1: should do some strength training, in my opinion, for a
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Speaker 1: bunch of very logical reasons that I could explain. But
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Speaker 1: do need people need to go to a gym? No?
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Speaker 1: Do they need to lift bar bells, dumbbells and kettlebells? No?
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Speaker 1: Are there other ways to build strength heaps? Okay, So
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Speaker 1: I'm suggesting strength training is probably a good idea for
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Speaker 1: most people. Unless you're a genetic freak, or unless you
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Speaker 1: do something daily that keeps you physically very strong and robust,
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Speaker 1: then you don't need it. But even with that, I'm like, well,
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Speaker 1: how you get strong and stay strong? There's a myriad
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Speaker 1: of options for that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, you wouldn't recommend my ninety five
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Speaker 2: year old and do a bench press, would you.
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Speaker 1: I mean, she'd probably beat me at the moment with
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Speaker 1: me fuck shoulders, But no, we won't. We won't be
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Speaker 1: doing that for grant. Are those answers? Okay?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Very interesting and not what I expected either.
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Speaker 1: Oh good, good? Yeah, all right, what's you down? Only
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Speaker 1: thirteen to go?
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Speaker 2: Let's crack on, let's go. So this probably you can
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Speaker 2: expand upon from your first answer, and as a long
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Speaker 2: time listener, something I've noticed is do you feel like
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Speaker 2: your style has changed recently and that perhaps you're a
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Speaker 2: bit more vulnerable than you have been in the past.
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Speaker 2: And if you feel that, what's been the change?
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Speaker 1: I think he reaches down to plug his fine and
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Speaker 1: terrible thing to do in the middle of a podcast.
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Speaker 1: I think, I think, yes, I don't want to be
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Speaker 1: disingenuous when when I say this, so you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to bang on because everyone's the same. I
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Speaker 1: mean kind of not there. I just said everyone's saying
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Speaker 1: definitely not the same. But I think a lot of
19:04
Speaker 1: people suffer from insecurity. I reckon you probably have or
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Speaker 1: do I have, or do right? And so I was
19:13
Speaker 1: as somebody with a little bit of a profile. I
19:17
Speaker 1: was so good at distracting and deflecting and instead of
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Speaker 1: at times probably opening doors that I could or should
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Speaker 1: have opened in some conversations, I would just be the
19:32
Speaker 1: funny guy because I can make people laugh, I can
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Speaker 1: tell stories, I can inspire people. I can be passionate,
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Speaker 1: I can be them. I can do all of that.
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Speaker 1: But I also wanted people to think highly of me,
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Speaker 1: which is, you know, all kinds of insecure and fear
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Speaker 1: and a bunch of other things, of course. And I
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Speaker 1: mean it's not just the last few years. Maybe the
19:57
Speaker 1: last few years, I've become more and more I try
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Speaker 1: to be you know that that thing I talk about.
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Speaker 1: There's like there's public you, there's personal you, there's private you,
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Speaker 1: and secret you. Do you remember that little kind of ye?
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Speaker 1: So you know, public you is the you that everyone
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Speaker 1: anyone can access, you know, the blocoo's selling you you bananas.
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Speaker 1: He gets to meet public you, and then personal you,
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Speaker 1: I think is more closer friends and family, and then
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Speaker 1: private you is really maybe one or two people, maybe
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Speaker 1: three depends how and then secret you is that's just
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Speaker 1: you gets to know that person, right, Yeah, Well I
20:39
Speaker 1: try to open I try to get through, you know,
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Speaker 1: like on a podcast. I try to bypass public me
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Speaker 1: and personal me and get somewhere in the ballpark of
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Speaker 1: private me and maybe even periodically secret me, because I
20:58
Speaker 1: think it might be valuable to other people. And I
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Speaker 1: think if people think less of me or I'm embarrassed
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Speaker 1: or I'm humiliated or I look less, I'm okay with it.
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Speaker 1: And if I'm not okay with it, that's my ego.
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Speaker 1: And so like one of the things that when you
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Speaker 1: talk about a value driven life, like where I say
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Speaker 1: one of my key values is service and love and kindness.
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Speaker 1: I think it's really easy to say that on a podcast.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think it's.
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Speaker 1: Very fucking hard to live it when no one's looking,
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Speaker 1: no one's watching, and because like I feel like, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, I'm definitely not.
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Speaker 1: But I feel like there are a lot of people
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Speaker 1: who have public attention or a spotlight who I don't reckon.
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Speaker 1: The way that they are when they're being watched is
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Speaker 1: the way that they are when they're not being watched.
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Speaker 1: I feel like there's some bullshit going on with a
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Speaker 1: lot of people, And if I'm being completely transparent, there's
21:56
Speaker 1: been bullshit going on with me over the years, you know.
21:59
Speaker 1: I think for the most part I was close to authentic,
22:04
Speaker 1: but there was still bullshit and deception and lies and
22:06
Speaker 1: insecurity and me trying to be impressive, right.
22:10
Speaker 2: And that was just fueled by your ego.
22:14
Speaker 1: Ego, insecurity, fear, self loathing, oh, just pick a fucking yeah,
22:21
Speaker 1: all of it, market, all of it.
22:24
Speaker 2: This is exactly what I mean, though, And the interesting
22:26
Speaker 2: thing is that I picked up on it from a
22:29
Speaker 2: whiteboard that you put out which was about imposter syndrome,
22:33
Speaker 2: and you just think it was like three slides and
22:36
Speaker 2: you listed everything that you were insecure about, and I
22:39
Speaker 2: think you ended it with something like I'm human. And
22:43
Speaker 2: having been listening and following for so long, it was
22:46
Speaker 2: the first time that I kind of stopped and went,
22:49
Speaker 2: oh shit, that's everything that I feel. And if someone
22:54
Speaker 2: in your position is putting it out there that you
22:56
Speaker 2: feel the same way, well, that's hope, and that's that's honesty,
23:00
Speaker 2: and that's really vulnerable. And then I started listening in
23:05
Speaker 2: a different way and I thought, Okay, there's there's something
23:07
Speaker 2: that's coming through that is hitting more to the core
23:12
Speaker 2: of you than there ever has been. And that's what
23:14
Speaker 2: that question was.
23:15
Speaker 1: Wow, thank you. Yeah, it's it's it's for me. It's
23:23
Speaker 1: a constant process to walk my talk, you know, to
23:31
Speaker 1: do to do what I say and too because I'm
23:38
Speaker 1: an only child and part of me wants attention and
23:40
Speaker 1: all that bullshit, and and like, I really think that
23:44
Speaker 1: for me, and this is going to sound weird, but
23:46
Speaker 1: it's a spiritual journey of and again this sounds bullshitty,
23:52
Speaker 1: but having a purpose bigger than me. Yeah, you know,
23:55
Speaker 1: and I know that I used to be all about
23:59
Speaker 1: my well, I wasn't always all about my body, but
24:01
Speaker 1: I was about you know, building a business, building a brand,
24:04
Speaker 1: looking good, you know, all that stuff. Nothing wrong with
24:06
Speaker 1: any of that, by the way, but realizing, you know,
24:11
Speaker 1: getting to a point where I had kind of ticked
24:13
Speaker 1: a lot of boxes, you know, and from the outline
24:18
Speaker 1: outside looking in, people would have thought, you know, he
24:25
Speaker 1: he's got his shit together, he's going well. But so
24:28
Speaker 1: often the confident, funny, successful guy is actually the sad, scared,
24:34
Speaker 1: insecure guy trying to be what he thinks is going
24:39
Speaker 1: to impress people. And I And by the way, I
24:42
Speaker 1: don't sit at home fucking rocking back and forwards, going
24:45
Speaker 1: I'm broken. I still you know, I still fuck around,
24:49
Speaker 1: I still have fun, I still have a good life.
24:51
Speaker 1: But I just think the irony is that trying to
24:55
Speaker 1: be impressive is the opposite.
25:00
Speaker 2: It'd be very tiring.
25:02
Speaker 1: Well, but also it's not impressive because we know what's
25:05
Speaker 1: going on. We know what's going on, you know. It's like, well,
25:11
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes people are say some horrible shit about me,
25:14
Speaker 1: not not too often, but every now and then, and
25:17
Speaker 1: honestly I believe them, or I go yeah, I understand
25:22
Speaker 1: why you think that, and I'm not even mad at you,
25:24
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna It's like, I reckon, this is
25:28
Speaker 1: the challenge. It's like we I think in hey, everyone,
25:35
Speaker 1: feel free to turn off if this is too fucking
25:37
Speaker 1: dark and weird. But I you know, we're so much
25:42
Speaker 1: at the moment living in these, like I said, these
25:45
Speaker 1: silos or these cults of thoughts, where we think the
25:51
Speaker 1: right way, we have the right this or the right whatever,
25:54
Speaker 1: the right beliefs, the right faith, the right diet, the
25:56
Speaker 1: right way to train, the right political beliefs, or we
26:00
Speaker 1: have the right ideology and if you don't think like us,
26:03
Speaker 1: you're our enemy, and blah blah blah. And I just think, fuck,
26:07
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know many people who think like
26:09
Speaker 1: me anyway, which is not that's good for the rest
26:12
Speaker 1: of the world. But if I only love or like
26:16
Speaker 1: or pay attention to people who agree with me on everything,
26:20
Speaker 1: I'm going to have fucking two friends in the world,
26:22
Speaker 1: so you know. And also I think, just like when
26:28
Speaker 1: you just turn down the emotion and the need to
26:31
Speaker 1: be right, and you go, how many times in my
26:34
Speaker 1: life have I been wrong? Fucking thousands? Well, of course,
26:40
Speaker 1: I'm going to get shit wrong today, of course, of course,
26:44
Speaker 1: you know.
26:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's an interesting one as well, that you
26:48
Speaker 2: can have all of those thoughts and tapping into the
26:52
Speaker 2: imposter syndrome. You can have nine people say something really
26:55
Speaker 2: lovely about you, and then number ten comes along and
26:58
Speaker 2: says something really and you go, number ten's right because
27:03
Speaker 2: I am awful, I am incapable, I am shit, I
27:05
Speaker 2: don't know what I'm doing, and that number ten is correct,
27:09
Speaker 2: and you just forget any of the good because that, yeah,
27:14
Speaker 2: the doubt creeps in.
27:17
Speaker 1: That is so fucking true. I told a story. I've
27:20
Speaker 1: told this story, but I did. A friend of mine, Rosa,
27:23
Speaker 1: owns a gym. Shout out to Rosa or anyone who
27:25
Speaker 1: goes to Rosa's gym in Riots called the boat House.
27:28
Speaker 1: It's one of the best privately owned gym's regional gyms.
27:34
Speaker 1: Is it regional, right, I don't know, but anyway, great
27:37
Speaker 1: And every year I go down and I do a
27:39
Speaker 1: talk for Rosa. I love job just because she's great,
27:43
Speaker 1: and not this year, but I think last year, Mate,
27:47
Speaker 1: of the last one or two talks I did, there
27:50
Speaker 1: was someone in the group who, as I was doing
27:56
Speaker 1: the presentation, Kelp. It was about I don't know eighty people,
28:00
Speaker 1: so not small, not huge, just a good group of people.
28:04
Speaker 1: And there was a dude there who clearly fucking hated me,
28:07
Speaker 1: and in my mind, right I'm looking at him, I'm
28:10
Speaker 1: like this guy, it's like it's always I don't know why,
28:13
Speaker 1: but not always, but mostly it's going to be seventy
28:16
Speaker 1: or eighty percent women in my gigs. We won't even
28:20
Speaker 1: unpack why that is. And no, it's not because of
28:23
Speaker 1: fucking my attractiveness, so don't be a smart ass everyone.
28:27
Speaker 1: I think it's because people buy into women buy in
28:29
Speaker 1: more to personal growth stuff than men generally. But anyway,
28:32
Speaker 1: so he's looking at me, and he's not smiling, he's
28:36
Speaker 1: not enjoying it, and he's sitting next to I imagine
28:39
Speaker 1: his wife, and I'm thinking that, poor motherfucker. His wife
28:42
Speaker 1: dragged him along. He could be home watching the footy.
28:45
Speaker 1: He does not want to be here, and I felt
28:48
Speaker 1: bad for him, and then I felt bad for me
28:50
Speaker 1: because clearly he didn't like So seventy nine people are
28:53
Speaker 1: enjoying it. One blood has hate me. Where do you reckon?
28:55
Speaker 1: All My attention and focus was.
28:57
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, mister footy of course, right.
29:00
Speaker 1: So I've just and I'm I'm almost and so instead
29:03
Speaker 1: of I don't think I was shit, but I certainly
29:06
Speaker 1: wasn't my best because I got distracted and whatever. Anyway,
29:10
Speaker 1: I finished, I did an okay job. Few people like thanks,
29:13
Speaker 1: that was great. I'm like cool, see you. Anyway, mister
29:17
Speaker 1: Footy fucking starts walking up towards me to talk and
29:20
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah god, I'm not even being paid, Like
29:25
Speaker 1: what is going on? I don't need this. I haven't
29:27
Speaker 1: had dinner, you know, I'm feeling sorry for himself. And
29:30
Speaker 1: he comes out and reaches out up, reaches out his
29:33
Speaker 1: hand and shakes my hand. He goes, that was amazing,
29:39
Speaker 1: thank you so much, and I'm like, fuck off, what
29:44
Speaker 1: guess what?
29:45
Speaker 2: He was?
29:45
Speaker 1: Vision impaired?
29:48
Speaker 2: Wow?
29:49
Speaker 1: So the dude couldn't see me. And I'm I'm telling
29:53
Speaker 1: myself a completely bullshit story, right. I literally not only
29:59
Speaker 1: was there not a problem, I created a problem for
30:03
Speaker 1: myself the mid circumstance.
30:07
Speaker 2: Wow. And isn't it you know That's that's what we do, right,
30:11
Speaker 2: Like we create most of the problems. And I think
30:14
Speaker 2: it was one of your episodes where you were talking
30:17
Speaker 2: about how you know a certain percentage, which I think
30:20
Speaker 2: was quite high, Like, what is it ninety percent of
30:22
Speaker 2: what we worry about never happens, and yet we spend
30:26
Speaker 2: all of this time with it just spinning the wheels
30:28
Speaker 2: of doubt.
30:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's ninety one percent never happens of
30:34
Speaker 1: the shit that we spend a lot of time, effort, energy,
30:36
Speaker 1: focus on, and then nine percent does. But something like
30:41
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the time when those things do happen,
30:45
Speaker 1: it's not nearly as bad as we imagined.
30:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
30:48
Speaker 1: So it's like, ah, so here's what I think to do. Right,
30:52
Speaker 1: We're going good, I think. So we've done three questions.
30:55
Speaker 1: Let's do two more yep, and then we'll call that everyone.
31:00
Speaker 1: We're having a team meeting as we're going Melissa, leave
31:03
Speaker 1: all this in, Melissa, don't edit any of this out.
31:06
Speaker 1: This is the inner workings of the you project. Call
31:08
Speaker 1: and I are having an on the run meeting. So
31:10
Speaker 1: we'll do two more, then we'll call it a day,
31:13
Speaker 1: and then we'll crank it up and do another one.
31:15
Speaker 1: So next question, please, missus interviewer.
31:21
Speaker 2: Next question is what is the biggest lesson you have
31:24
Speaker 2: learned in the past ten years.
31:27
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah I did. When I looked at that,
31:30
Speaker 1: you're go on.
31:31
Speaker 2: Go on, Well, I captured at that, because there have
31:34
Speaker 2: been many episodes where you've already spoken about lessons learned
31:38
Speaker 2: over the course of your life. But I thought, let's
31:41
Speaker 2: reduce it a bit.
31:43
Speaker 1: So I actually, like, truthfully, nothing particularly like there's not
31:51
Speaker 1: a standout thing. There's a million things, but I thought
31:54
Speaker 1: i'd say I'd share two things that have been absolutely
32:00
Speaker 1: been lessons that have been underlined, reinforced and put in
32:05
Speaker 1: bold letters in my brain over the last ten years
32:10
Speaker 1: that for me matter. And I think also what I'm
32:14
Speaker 1: about to share is broadly relevant. So you know, if
32:18
Speaker 1: I had some revelations that didn't affect anyone else or
32:21
Speaker 1: it wasn't relevant, you know, but these are really relevant
32:24
Speaker 1: for me and I think most other people, and neither
32:26
Speaker 1: of them are going to surprise you. So Number one
32:28
Speaker 1: is that, like more than ever, I now understand, especially
32:33
Speaker 1: as I'm now old as fuck, I understand that while
32:36
Speaker 1: chronological aging that is the calendar, everyone is a constant
32:41
Speaker 1: until we die, biological aging is a variable that we
32:46
Speaker 1: can to a large extent control, slash manipulate, slash influence,
32:51
Speaker 1: and so meaning that sixty one year old Craig Anthony
32:57
Speaker 1: Harper doesn't need to not because he's better or special
33:01
Speaker 1: or gifted, because I'm fucking not. We've identified that I
33:05
Speaker 1: don't need to walk around in a typical sixty one
33:07
Speaker 1: year old body. In other words, I can have the
33:11
Speaker 1: health and fitness and performance and strength and physiology of
33:19
Speaker 1: somebody who is the equivalent of or someone who's forty
33:23
Speaker 1: years old at forty one or forty five or fifty,
33:26
Speaker 1: so I can have the equivalent physiology, in other words,
33:29
Speaker 1: of somebody much younger. Now, that is I think, and
33:34
Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, and I've really I mean, I've
33:37
Speaker 1: never been more I was going to say disciplined, but
33:42
Speaker 1: I'm not disciplined. Like I'm not undisciplined either, but I've
33:45
Speaker 1: never been more particular about what I do to my body,
33:50
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm like, I used to give myself
33:52
Speaker 1: a lot more latitude than I do now, just because
33:56
Speaker 1: I realize with my six out of ten genetics and
34:02
Speaker 1: my sixty one years on the planet and my multitude
34:06
Speaker 1: of fucking injuries that I've had through training like a moron,
34:11
Speaker 1: I need to optimize my behaviors, my choices, my habits,
34:16
Speaker 1: my lifestyle, my actions in order to work well for
34:23
Speaker 1: a long time. And so that's really been reinforced. Is
34:27
Speaker 1: that that you know, obviously, aging is a constant, but
34:30
Speaker 1: how I age is a variable. So that's number one,
34:33
Speaker 1: and then you can comment on both of these when
34:35
Speaker 1: I'm finished, if you like. And number two is just
34:38
Speaker 1: very simply that my brain slash mind, my cognitive system,
34:43
Speaker 1: let's call it, that needs to be trained, like I
34:47
Speaker 1: need to constantly and consciously and intentionally keep my brain
34:53
Speaker 1: young by doing things that I don't need to do
34:58
Speaker 1: but I choose to do just for that purpose. So
35:03
Speaker 1: if you think that your brain is just gonna magically
35:06
Speaker 1: stay young, functional, healthy, and somewhere near optimum cognition, just
35:13
Speaker 1: because you're wrong, you're wrong. It ain't gonna. So if
35:21
Speaker 1: you're anywhere in the ballpark of forty five onwards, and
35:25
Speaker 1: again it's not a personal prescription, it's just a recommendation,
35:30
Speaker 1: and you're not doing something to keep your mind work well,
35:34
Speaker 1: your brain working well, mental acuity, sharpness, memory, cognitive function, creativity,
35:40
Speaker 1: all of that, then I would highly recommend that you do.
35:45
Speaker 1: And for me, obviously a big part of that right
35:47
Speaker 1: now is doing my PhD. So that's like training and
35:52
Speaker 1: taking my brain to the gym every day for a
35:55
Speaker 1: hard session.
35:56
Speaker 2: Great. The most fascinating thing about that, though, is that
36:02
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not saying this to be a
36:04
Speaker 2: cheeky ship, but you admitted to being old as fuck,
36:07
Speaker 2: and it's now that you have have come to the
36:11
Speaker 2: conclusion on these things. So the fact that you know
36:15
Speaker 2: that you're you can function in a body that is
36:19
Speaker 2: much younger than your biological age, and that you need
36:22
Speaker 2: to keep training your brain in order to keep it
36:24
Speaker 2: sharp and young and on point, it sounds like all
36:27
Speaker 2: of those learnings have come with experience and age. So
36:31
Speaker 2: it's kind of ironic, isn't it.
36:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think there's a real difference
36:36
Speaker 1: between knowing something theoretically and having it reinforced experientially. Hell yep,
36:43
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, oh, we know, you know, I
36:46
Speaker 1: know I shouldn't eat you know, too much junk food,
36:48
Speaker 1: and I know, I know, I know data da And
36:50
Speaker 1: then you get diabetes and then you're like, oh, fuck,
36:53
Speaker 1: I shouldn't eat too much junk food. And now I've
36:56
Speaker 1: got diabetes. Now I can't do certain things, and now
36:59
Speaker 1: I'm you know, so there's a difference between having a
37:04
Speaker 1: theoretical understanding of something and knowing something. See for me,
37:10
Speaker 1: applied knowledge that's intelligence. Knowledge is just having something in
37:16
Speaker 1: your fucking cognitive hard drive. It's like, you know, so
37:20
Speaker 1: many people have a gym membership and a gym program
37:24
Speaker 1: and a reason to go to the gym, but they
37:26
Speaker 1: don't go to the gym right a lot like way
37:29
Speaker 1: more than fifty sixty seventy percent of current members either
37:33
Speaker 1: rarely go or don't go. I'm not saying it's all
37:35
Speaker 1: about gyms, but I'm just saying, you know, we can
37:37
Speaker 1: simultaneously have the knowledge, have the understanding, have the reason,
37:42
Speaker 1: and still not do the thing that we know is
37:45
Speaker 1: going to be good for our body and our health
37:47
Speaker 1: and our longevity and our health span and our cognitive
37:50
Speaker 1: function and our heart and our lungs and our the
37:54
Speaker 1: list goes on. And no, it's not about being a
37:57
Speaker 1: fucking fitness freak or an exercise junkie or a gym junkie.
38:02
Speaker 1: It's about you've only got one body you can't get
38:06
Speaker 1: a fuck another one you can't.
38:11
Speaker 2: It's been an experience for me that so I mentioned
38:14
Speaker 2: my grandmother earlier. She's now ninety five. When she was
38:18
Speaker 2: forty seven, she had a heart attack and was told
38:21
Speaker 2: that that's it. You know, you know Corby Family in
38:24
Speaker 2: You're not going to make it through the night. We'll
38:26
Speaker 2: do what we can, but you won't make it through
38:28
Speaker 2: the night. So now at ninety five, she says, it's
38:31
Speaker 2: been a very long night, and what, oh.
38:35
Speaker 1: You've got to do a podcast called It's been a
38:37
Speaker 1: very long night. Yeah. In fact, she should write a
38:41
Speaker 1: book and you should write it with her. Listen to
38:43
Speaker 1: me bussing you around. Well, I love that. I love
38:46
Speaker 1: that sentence.
38:47
Speaker 2: Yep. So we did create a podcast. But what she
38:52
Speaker 2: did was she changed her entire diet. She opened a
38:56
Speaker 2: health food store before they were even trendy. And she
39:00
Speaker 2: then read in it would have been her late forties
39:03
Speaker 2: early fifties that doing a crossword every day was great
39:07
Speaker 2: for your cognitive function and would help ward off dementia.
39:11
Speaker 2: And at ninety five she's still doing a crossword. She
39:16
Speaker 2: uses a magnifier now because her eyes are quite bad.
39:19
Speaker 2: But she has been for me that example of she
39:23
Speaker 2: knew what she had to do in order to have
39:26
Speaker 2: that body and that brain that would carry her through
39:30
Speaker 2: in the best possible way, and she did the work
39:34
Speaker 2: and she's still here. Yeah.
39:36
Speaker 1: God bless her, God bless her. Little sucks. Yeah, she
39:39
Speaker 1: makes Mary look like a teenager.
39:42
Speaker 2: She does.
39:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mary's just a sprightly eighty five. All right, let's
39:47
Speaker 1: do one more question and then we'll pull the pin
39:50
Speaker 1: and then reset.
39:51
Speaker 2: All right, so number five, what has been the most
39:55
Speaker 2: challenging part of your PhD?
40:00
Speaker 1: Thinking about this before, and it's like, honestly, I guess
40:05
Speaker 1: for me, not a single thing, a bunch of things.
40:08
Speaker 1: But I firstly, I was clueless, Like I did not
40:13
Speaker 1: know what I was getting into. I didn't understand what
40:16
Speaker 1: a PhD was, which is not a good starting point.
40:18
Speaker 1: I didn't understand, like and really I didn't understand. Oh you,
40:25
Speaker 1: I mean I kind of did. But you know, like
40:28
Speaker 1: people think when you do a PhD, you go to
40:30
Speaker 1: UNI and you know there are lectures and chutes and
40:33
Speaker 1: there you know there's there's none of it. Well in mind,
40:36
Speaker 1: there's none of that. It's all research based. So you
40:38
Speaker 1: do your own research. So you come up with an idea,
40:40
Speaker 1: you come up with an area that you want to research.
40:42
Speaker 1: You've got to fill a hole in the science. You
40:44
Speaker 1: got to look at something that hasn't been looked at
40:46
Speaker 1: or something that hasn't been looked at in the way
40:48
Speaker 1: that you're going to look at it. And then you're
40:52
Speaker 1: trying to solve a problem, right, or you're trying to
40:55
Speaker 1: bring some new information. And so you you design your
40:59
Speaker 1: research and then you run your own research. You get
41:03
Speaker 1: a venue, you get participants, you get ethical approval through
41:06
Speaker 1: the university, which is not an easy feat because you
41:10
Speaker 1: can't put anyone at any kind of risk at all.
41:14
Speaker 1: And then you do all of that, then you get
41:16
Speaker 1: all of this data, and then you've got to try
41:18
Speaker 1: and figure out what the fucking data means because it's
41:20
Speaker 1: all numbers and shit, right, And then then you know,
41:24
Speaker 1: and then you try to sift through that, make sense
41:27
Speaker 1: of it, interpret the data, find patterns, fine holes, find
41:31
Speaker 1: things that no one else has found. Hopefully, I mean
41:35
Speaker 1: it's much more than this, of course, But then you've
41:37
Speaker 1: got to write, you know, for mine, anyway, three or
41:40
Speaker 1: four academic papers that get published by academic journals. So
41:46
Speaker 1: all of that. It was just like for me, it
41:49
Speaker 1: was literally like it was like it's like going to
41:56
Speaker 1: somewhere like Russia, just wh is Russia? Because I have
42:01
Speaker 1: no clue. Right, I was in Russia, and I know
42:05
Speaker 1: I'm not dumb, and I know they're not dumb, but
42:08
Speaker 1: I can't speak their language. I don't understand the culture.
42:11
Speaker 1: I don't understand how to go and buy a fucking
42:12
Speaker 1: bottle of milk or a cart in the milk. I
42:14
Speaker 1: don't understand do they have coffee like we have their
42:18
Speaker 1: fucking cafes like we is there? How does it work?
42:20
Speaker 1: Do I? You know, I don't understand the government. I
42:22
Speaker 1: don't understand the culture. I don't understand the money. I
42:25
Speaker 1: can't speak the language. I don't know. You know, it's
42:27
Speaker 1: like that. It's like you've just gone to Russia and
42:30
Speaker 1: I didn't even fucking learn one word of Russian before
42:34
Speaker 1: I start, right, I yeah, so I nobody threw me
42:40
Speaker 1: in the deep end, and nobody. In fact, where I'm
42:44
Speaker 1: studying is called Brain Park, which is the Neuroscience Neuropsychology
42:47
Speaker 1: Lab of Monash, And they're fucking amazing. They're so good
42:50
Speaker 1: to me. You know, I've said this before, Like day
42:53
Speaker 1: one it was like bring your granddad to work day,
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Speaker 1: and I'm sitting in this room with about eight other
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Speaker 1: PhD students who it could be my kid or my
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Speaker 1: kid's kid, right, and yeah, it was just like it
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Speaker 1: was a very steep learning curve. I guess specifically it
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Speaker 1: was I started full time two years full time and
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Speaker 1: now in part time, so that helped. But the first
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Speaker 1: two years it was like I was doing I had
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Speaker 1: two careers, one as a researcher, full time researcher, and
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Speaker 1: then the other as you know, all the shit other
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Speaker 1: shit I do. And I guess specifically, just yeah, learning
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Speaker 1: how PhD world works, learning understanding academic language, writing academically, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I have lots of thoughts that I'll share when I
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Speaker 1: finish my PhD. But I do think, and I'm happy
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Speaker 1: to say this, I do think that that academic writing
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Speaker 1: is unnecessarily complicated. It's it's and but I that's if
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Speaker 1: you read some of the stuff that I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: putting out now, you'd go, what the fuck is this?
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Speaker 1: I go, this is what needs to be written the
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Speaker 1: way it needs to be written. I understand that. And
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Speaker 1: I'm just a shitkicker. I'm not going to change the system,
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Speaker 1: neither do I want to. But but it's been it's been.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it's been fun, but it's
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Speaker 1: been good for me. It's been good for me. A
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Speaker 1: lot of things that aren't fun are good for you.
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Speaker 1: And it's definitely you know. It's taught me a lot
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Speaker 1: about many things, including myself, which is good. So Kel,
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Speaker 1: let's pull the pin. Sure, we're going to say goodbye.
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Speaker 1: Kel and I are going to continue on in the
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Speaker 1: next few minutes with installment too, but for now, everyone, Kel,
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Speaker 1: thanks for being on the you project, Thanks for putting
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Speaker 1: up your hand, Thanks for those five great questions. I'll
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Speaker 1: see it the water cooler at.
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Speaker 2: The gym, Absolutely you will.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Kel. Thanks everyone,