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The End is Nigh! · Why We Do What We Do

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Why We Do what we Do. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Why We Do what we Do. I am your
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  Speaker 1: Doomsayer host Abraham.
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  Speaker 2: And I Am Your Prophet host Shane.
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  Speaker 1: We are a psychology podcast. We talk about all of
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  Speaker 1: the things that humans and non human animals do, and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes we talk about the Uh. I guess the predictions
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  Speaker 1: that we make as a species.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, not necessarily the future, but you know some guesses, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and honestly not educated guesses, just guesses.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're poor guesses. But if you are joining us
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  Speaker 1: for the first time, then welcome. We're so glad to
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  Speaker 1: have you here. I really hope that you enjoy this
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  Speaker 1: discussion today. And if you're a returning listener, then we're
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  Speaker 1: happy to have you back. You may have seen the
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  Speaker 1: title for this and thought, oh god, they're just doing
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  Speaker 1: another political episode talking about how everyone is ruining the world,
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  Speaker 1: and that is not what we're doing. In fact, pleasant surprise,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the past. We're talking about
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  Speaker 1: people in the past talking about people in the future. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and that's what today's episode is. But no matter whether
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  Speaker 1: you are returning or you are here for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: and we're really happy to have you either way, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. I would
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  Speaker 1: like to wish you a happy end of the world, because.
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  Speaker 2: This is it.
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  Speaker 1: Today is over, and if not today, then it's tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny. I also realized that, like, it's possible that
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  Speaker 2: people thought that this was going to be our last episode.
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  Speaker 2: It's not. Don't worry, so like I could see somebody
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  Speaker 2: reading that and going, oh no, yeah, we're never gonna stop.
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  Speaker 2: Today is Amnesty International Day.
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  Speaker 1: M okay, good, good, good topic. Sure, it's International Hamburger Day.
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  Speaker 2: It's also a National Hamburger Day. But I thought that
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  Speaker 2: was redundant. To have an international inter national Hamberger Day.
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  Speaker 2: That's too much. Yeah it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is redundant. If it's international, then it's definitely national.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's Menstrual Hygiene Day. Love that.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah. It is National Senior Health and Fitness Day.
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  Speaker 1: It's important.
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  Speaker 2: I agree. It is Slug's Return to Capistrano Day to
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  Speaker 2: or from I'm sorry, slugs Return from Capistrano Day.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I wasn't sure. Maybe maybe it's both.
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  Speaker 2: Who knows.
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  Speaker 1: It could be it is Whooping Crane Day, not Whooping
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  Speaker 1: cough Day.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, much better day. Whooping Crane Day is what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's World Otter Day, which is adorable.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it is World Otter Day, and good on
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  Speaker 1: us for celebrating this. Yes, this definitely feels like it
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  Speaker 1: should be a paid holiday, like we should all just
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  Speaker 1: stop we're doing acknowledge audit, take the day off.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: It is National African Violet Week.
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  Speaker 2: Yes it is. It is also National Frozen Yogurt Week
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  Speaker 2: fro Yo.
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  Speaker 1: It is in relation also, so we have the National
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  Speaker 1: Senior Health and Fitness It's also Older Americans' Mental Health Week,
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  Speaker 1: so we are concerned with the silver age and their health,
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  Speaker 1: and that is good. We want them to be healthy
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  Speaker 1: and mentally and physically.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it is also prepared Tomorrow's Parents Month.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if there's going to be tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It is Script's National Spelling Bee, which apparently.
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  Speaker 2: Is like a very unique thing. Like I was when
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  Speaker 2: I was in Italy, they were saying, like, why do
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  Speaker 2: you do spelling bees? I was like, that's I don't know. Well,
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  Speaker 2: don't ask me questions about the country. I can't answer
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  Speaker 2: anything right now. It's also a week of Solidarity with
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  Speaker 2: the peoples of non self governing territories.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, okay, see we do spelling bees because our language,
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  Speaker 1: or the spelling of our language is a complex, nonsensical code.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes it is.
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  Speaker 1: You just have to memorize ridiculous strings of information to
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  Speaker 1: try and decode that ridiculous thing.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, we do.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, those are the holidays we're wishing you, and so
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  Speaker 1: we do have a topic du jour though, as we said,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the end of times, and this is
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  Speaker 1: just kind of a fun like listicals type discussion where
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  Speaker 1: what we're going to do is we are going to
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  Speaker 1: go through and list some instances where people have predicted
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  Speaker 1: the end of the world. People have been doing They've
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  Speaker 1: done this several times, and we're not going to include
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  Speaker 1: them all. We're just going to list a handful here.
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  Speaker 1: This is an incomplete list for which there could be many,
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  Speaker 1: many more entries. Yes, but people have predicted this a
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  Speaker 1: lot in the past. They will predict this several more
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  Speaker 1: times in the future. But we're going to survey the
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  Speaker 1: major doomsday predictions and talk a little bit about why
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  Speaker 1: we love predicting the end of the world so much.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know if I mentioned all the things
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  Speaker 1: All right, my missing anything before we start into this.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think we're ready to start predicting the future.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start predicting the future. All right. So, as I said,
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  Speaker 1: this is a list of times people predicted the end.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start with the early second century. I want to
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  Speaker 1: do these sort of in chronological order, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: from oldest to newest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of these came true. All right, Let's
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  Speaker 2: start with Montanism in the second century. So Montanus or
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  Speaker 2: Montanas was a very eccentric dude. He converted the Christianity
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  Speaker 2: and would zealously proclaim to have visions of the future.
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  Speaker 2: He possibly also believed that he was God or Jesus
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  Speaker 2: or something along those lines, so he probably felt that
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  Speaker 2: he had some particular set of divinity or divine powers.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, he managed to convince large groups of Christians
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  Speaker 2: that he was communicating directly with God and that the
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  Speaker 2: second coming of Christ was imminent, which is kind of
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  Speaker 2: this may be a theme that we see as we go. Yeah, now,
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  Speaker 2: he led a large contingent of people out to some
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  Speaker 2: empty planes where Christ was supposed to return to Earth
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  Speaker 2: for the apocalypse. And Christ didn't return and the world
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  Speaker 2: did not end, so he was able to move a
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  Speaker 2: pretty large group of people to basically kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a non event.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that I read geographically one of the
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  Speaker 1: places was where Turkey now is currently. I forgot what
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  Speaker 1: the other one was, so it's like somewhere in the
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  Speaker 1: Middle East, like area Ish is around where this was
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  Speaker 1: taking place. But yeah, he like emptied out some cities,
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  Speaker 1: basically taking people on this pilgrimage toward the end times.
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  Speaker 1: I assume that they just went home when the world
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  Speaker 1: didn't end, but I didn't see if they follow up
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  Speaker 1: to that. It was the thing I was reading was
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  Speaker 1: just like this is the thing that he did.
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  Speaker 2: What if like the thing is is like he he
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  Speaker 2: was just like a really bad hike tour guide and
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  Speaker 2: then this was just like a review. Somebody left like
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  Speaker 2: this wasn't his writings, Like somebody was mad and they
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  Speaker 2: were like this guy thinks he's God and the hike
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  Speaker 2: was bad one star, But like that's that's how it
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  Speaker 2: got passed down through history.
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  Speaker 1: I hope that that's what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like a like an ancient YELP.
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  Speaker 1: There was some speculation that like this was just a
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  Speaker 1: story told later and it didn't even really happen, but
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  Speaker 1: I did find it as a thing, so I decided
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  Speaker 1: to go ahead and include it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 1: The next one is one that did happen. This is
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  Speaker 1: the Stuffler flood of fifteen twenty four. So this is
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  Speaker 1: Johannes Stoffler. He was a mathematician and astronomer. Possible he
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  Speaker 1: had like some financial stake in boats or maybe flood
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  Speaker 1: preparation kits or really just his own nonsense. Either way,
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  Speaker 1: he predicted that there would be this great flood. So
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  Speaker 1: he did all this math and he's like, there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a great flood that will consume the entire world.
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  Speaker 1: There will be more water now than there has ever been,
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  Speaker 1: and the world will be gone, and this is going
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  Speaker 1: to happen. On February twentieth, fifteen twenty four, boat sails soared.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, possibly he had a stick for this market.
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  Speaker 1: But people are buying boats left and right. Some enterprising
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  Speaker 1: people even built a three story arc that was built
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  Speaker 1: on the Rhine River, and this is intended to provide
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  Speaker 1: safety for fleeing refugees. And on February twentieth, so he
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  Speaker 1: predicted this February twentye fifteen twenty four. On February twentieth,
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  Speaker 1: the light rain began to fall and there was a
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  Speaker 1: full on riot. The people tried to board the arc
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  Speaker 1: maybe didn't have rooms reserved or tickets or however they
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  Speaker 1: were navigating that at that time. But this riot resulted
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  Speaker 1: in the death of hundreds of people. Now, the world
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  Speaker 1: did not end, There was not a global flood. Stoeffler
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  Speaker 1: accepted has error, apologized and revised his calculations for a
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  Speaker 1: date thirty years in the future when the world also
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  Speaker 1: did not end. So fifteen twelve.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's one of those things where it's like
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  Speaker 2: fun and then it becomes dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it got It got pretty gross pretty quickly,
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  Speaker 1: with like people being killed in a riot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Now let's talk a little bit about the
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  Speaker 2: Great Fire of London in sixteen sixty six, which you
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  Speaker 2: know is is that year is already going to you know,
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  Speaker 2: get people's hackles raised. So in Western Christian tradition, many
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  Speaker 2: numbers are given particular significance and elevated status as they
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  Speaker 2: have some kind of important meaning. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 2: I was just I was just in Rome when they
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  Speaker 2: were talking about the number seven and how that became
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  Speaker 2: like a really powerful number in Rome, and like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the architecture and stuff too. And so one
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  Speaker 2: of those numbers is six sixty six believe to be
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  Speaker 2: the mark of the beast, evil number. It's bad number
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  Speaker 2: in this and it means the villain and escapegoat of
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  Speaker 2: Christian mythology, the devil, right, So sixty six six is
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  Speaker 2: the mark of the beast, the devil. If you've heard
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  Speaker 2: the Iron Maiden song, then you've heard the number at least.
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  Speaker 2: So because of the year, the year was sixteen sixty six,
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  Speaker 2: having sixty six to six in the year, a year
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  Speaker 2: based on nothing in history of the world at all,
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  Speaker 2: Like we really years don't care about, you know, anything
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  Speaker 2: like this, Like we it doesn't really care about how
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  Speaker 2: we sequent a segment time. Also, no mention is occur,
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  Speaker 2: like we have no mention here of what people thought
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  Speaker 2: or did in the year sixty sixty six without the
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  Speaker 2: thousands of you know, kind of things that are going on,
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  Speaker 2: so like there's a lot happening here, and like time
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really care. We just have decided on this number
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  Speaker 2: and we've organized time that way. But because the year
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  Speaker 2: was six sixty six, sixteen sixty six, I should say
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  Speaker 2: many European Christians feared that the end might come during
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  Speaker 2: the year at some point. And in September of that year,
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  Speaker 2: a large fire broke out in London, confirming the worst
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  Speaker 2: of their fears. Of course, like you've got six sixty
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  Speaker 2: six and you've got fires, which is like, of course,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the devil's like that's like the devil's like
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  Speaker 2: home turf, you know. And in September of that year,
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  Speaker 2: a large fire broke out, Like we said, it destroyed
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  Speaker 2: eighty seven parish churches and thirteen about thirteen thousand houses.
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  Speaker 2: The fire lasted three days and killed ten people. So
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  Speaker 2: the world didn't end in the fire, which was destructive
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  Speaker 2: and dangerous and probably really terrible for those folks that
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  Speaker 2: lost their houses. It wasn't a particularly terrible one in
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  Speaker 2: the grand scheme of like the world ending. It just
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like a really terrible situation.
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  Speaker 1: And it also was like not the first or last
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  Speaker 1: fire that would ever happen in London, but right because
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  Speaker 1: of the year significance that they imposed on that year
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  Speaker 1: or whatever, there was all this all this sort of
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  Speaker 1: concern anyway, Yeah, it was sort of I was curious
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this. I'm like, what happened in the year
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  Speaker 1: six sixty six that was just like a thousand years
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  Speaker 1: before that? Seems like that if there was going to
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  Speaker 1: be any relevance to this somehow, well like where they
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  Speaker 1: just started to start counting one, as like the starting
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  Speaker 1: year up until that point was like a totally arbitrary decision,
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  Speaker 1: but they would head in and made it anyway, and
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  Speaker 1: so decided that all right, now that we've started counting
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  Speaker 1: from one and we got to six sixty six, now
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  Speaker 1: this is all a sudden important So anyway, unlike that
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  Speaker 1: there are or like that, I guess maybe unimportant or
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  Speaker 1: not important. I don't know. It's ads.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, here we are.
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  Speaker 1: All right. That was not my most graceful ad segue.
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  Speaker 1: But we're back and we're onto our next apocalyptic event.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I meant to say this at the top.
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, and I I was thinking.
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  Speaker 1: We have actually talked about apocalyptic things before when we
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  Speaker 1: did our episode on what would happen if like an
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  Speaker 1: actual apocalypse took place, and then we outlined several major
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  Speaker 1: events that like did almost lead to the complete annihilation
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  Speaker 1: of humans, none of which were predicted by anyone. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: that was another If you're interested in this topic and
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  Speaker 1: would like to hear more, you can go check out
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  Speaker 1: that discussion.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be great.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we were in sixteen sixty six. We're
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  Speaker 1: now up to judgment Day of seventeen eighty. This actually
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  Speaker 1: was not a poor tended event. This is not one
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  Speaker 1: that people predicted what happen. It's just a thing that happened,
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  Speaker 1: and the event scared people into thinking that the like
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  Speaker 1: might be the end. So parts of the story here
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  Speaker 1: are a little apocryphal. Again, this was sort of retold
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  Speaker 1: later about a thing that happened, but there were quite
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  Speaker 1: a few reports written down. So the extent to which
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  Speaker 1: it happened or what actually happened, we're not clear on.
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  Speaker 1: But we are clear that something probably did happen, and
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  Speaker 1: we have some actual concrete evidence of that as well. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: all right, So it's May nineteenth, seventeen eighty thick dark
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  Speaker 1: clouds began to cover the sky for hundreds of miles
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  Speaker 1: in New England. And this started just before midday, so
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  Speaker 1: we're like into the middle of the day. It's May,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably it's starting to get warm outside. We're like
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  Speaker 1: into spring and almost summer, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: like thick dark clouds cover the sky, and the darkness
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  Speaker 1: was so complete that reportedly people were using candlelight, birds
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  Speaker 1: went to nest with something I saw like a thousand times.
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  Speaker 1: Nocturnal frogs started ribboning their choirs as if it were nighttime. Reportedly,
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  Speaker 1: there were cries and screaming of panic in the streets
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  Speaker 1: as the sort of the people sort of settled into
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  Speaker 1: the frightening new reality they were experiencing, and the darkness
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  Speaker 1: apparently lasted well into the night, when finally the clouds
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  Speaker 1: parted in stars could be seen once more, and many
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  Speaker 1: people took this to mean that the end times were
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  Speaker 1: beginning and were like, we need to do something about this,
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  Speaker 1: and so, at least for some people, membership surged and
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  Speaker 1: this ultra conservative, ultra religious Quakers offshoot called the Shakers,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, apparently there were the Quakers and the Shakers
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  Speaker 1: people with a deep love of trembling. As how it
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  Speaker 1: interpret that anyway, so huge surgeon membership here, as people
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  Speaker 1: took this as an omen of the end and joined
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  Speaker 1: their religion. One of the other terrifying aspects of the
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  Speaker 1: darkness was the pervasive smell of ash, which a religious person.
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  Speaker 1: To a religious person, this may be further proof that
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  Speaker 1: the day of judgment is upon us, because we're thinking
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  Speaker 1: this is like, you know, hell fire, and Satan's here
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  Speaker 1: and bringing with him the fire and brimstone of hell.
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  Speaker 1: But to a thinking individual this might have indicated a
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  Speaker 1: nearby fire, which is almost certainly what happened. Researchers have
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  Speaker 1: found evidence in the tree rings of trees in forests
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  Speaker 1: and Canada that suggested that there was probably a giant
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  Speaker 1: forest fire in rural Canada that was somewhat nearby that
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  Speaker 1: dumped just mountains of black smoke into the air that
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  Speaker 1: eventually covered a large chunk of New England. So almost
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  Speaker 1: certainly what happened was there was a giant fire in
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  Speaker 1: the forest, like it was so smoky that it actually
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  Speaker 1: made the day cold and probably a little bit dark,
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  Speaker 1: and people didn't know what to do, and then they're
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  Speaker 1: smelling ash and again like someone might be thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's a fire, and someone else might
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  Speaker 1: be thinking, oh my god, the devil's here.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that makes logical sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and then they found like evidence of the
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  Speaker 1: smoke and the tree rings right of the trees that
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: didn't burn, So like it does like there is concrete evidence,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: and it would have been right around that time. So
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: like there is some pretty concrete evidence to suggest that
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: that there was a fire. Whether or not that was
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: the thing that happened unclear, but the world didn't end
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: at least right absolutely.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Now there is the profit Hen of Leads eighteen oh six.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Now we're gonna give everybody fair warning. There's gonna be
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: a brief discussion of animal torture here, and that is
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: generally a pretty uncomfortable topic. So we just want to
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: make sure that if you're squeamish, go ahead and skip
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: over a little bit. But for now, this is the
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: story of profit Hen of Leads in eighteen oh six,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna keep this one pretty short. In eighteen
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: oh six and Leads, England, a chicken appear to be
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: laying eggs with messages of the Second Coming of Christ. Now,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like as far as ways to provide messages
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: to the people, usually letters are better not chicken eggs.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: So like I think I feel like God would take
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: a more direct approach, especially kind of knowing like what
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: he does in the Bible, like he strikes people down
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: and like he's kind of like a vengeful God. Yeah,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: at least in the Old Testament, eggs don't seem to
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: be the way to go about it. Like maybe that's
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: like the jokey God.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very very strange, just as you said that, Like
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: if God's like, I'm gonna warn them, but the way
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna warn them is gonna pick some random farm
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: out and you know, wherever, and then I'm just gonna
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: have I'm gonna write my message on chicken eggs. I'm like, yeah,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: You've done a lot of strange things, but that one
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: might take the cake.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a new one, that's a new level.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: That's very bizarre. That's a very weird, totally ineffective choice
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you're making.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, yeah, here's I'm gonna send it. I'm
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: gonna send a message either, I'm gonna flood the world
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: for forty days and forty nights just to kind of
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: just to send a message that maybe you shouldn't send
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: so much, or maybe I'm just gonna send you eggs.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I'll make you, I'll make it so that you have breakfast.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why not scribble it on the underbelly of like
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: a caterpillar that's crawling on a leaf somewhere in like
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the world Jungles of India or something.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Hey, he may have, he may you don't know. It
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: just got works in mysterious ways. Now, Apparently large numbers
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: of people visited the hen in despared Is at the
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: soon to come end of Time's Judgment day. It was
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: soon discovered, however, that the owner of the hen was
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: inscribing the messages in the in corrosive ink and then
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: reinserting the eggs back into the poor hen. So they
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: had to basically relay these eggs the poor, poor poor hen.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: That's terrible.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: It's so gross and weird. Yeah, okay, all right, well
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: let's get to our next one. This is Joanna Southcot
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: of eighteen fourteen. This one, to me is actually she is,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: in my mind, the weirdest person on this list. So sure,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: this is a strange story. She was born in seventeen
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: fifty in the hamlet of Tailford, Devonshire in England, which
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: is just the most English set of words.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Joanna was raised in a devoutly religious home. From the
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: images I saw of her, which are all sort of
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: cartoonish and not at all flattering, she was just not
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: someone who was likely to find romance in life, and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: them sad for her. So at forty two years old,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: single person, Joanna reported that she had started hearing voices
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: that announced major catastrophic events, including crop failures and famine,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that would happen a decade later. So she was predicting
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: these a decade out in the future. She began publishing
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: her hallucinations and amassed a following of an estimated one
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand followers at one point, which in like eighteen hundred, Like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: that's a pretty decent chunk of the world's population. It's
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: about point one percent of the world's population. But like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: those numbers today would be just a staggering number of people. Yeah,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: so it's a lot that she had amassed. In eighteen thirteen,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: she announced that she would give birth to the Messiah
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: on October nineteenth, eighteen fourteen, so the next year. This
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: despite the fact that she was sixty four years old
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: at the time and at that point a self proclaimed virgin. However,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: she did start to grow a belly. She grew larger
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and larger, and October nineteenth came and went without a
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Messiah being born, and finally she succumbed to whatever illness
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: she had and died on December twenty seventh of that year.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: So her world ended. The rest of us carried on,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: And I did find this interesting seal that she had used.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Apparently that was like, I'm not gonna even try and
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: read it. It's all in cursive. It says a bunch
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: of stuff that doesn't like their words, but they don't
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: seem to carry any meaning. It's just very weird.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, like it's it's very like it's very
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: much so of the times, Like it's like that, like
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: really Cepia toned paper, Yeah, and like fancy looking like
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: it looks very wild West.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was go ahead read. I'm sure people are curious. Okay,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: So the top it says are ampersand an I don't
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: know what all that's supposed to mean. Then it says,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: if I'm reading this correctly, the sealed of the Lord
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the elect precious man's redemption to inherit the the tree
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of life, or to inherit the space tree of life
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to be made. What was I say? Errors of God
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and joined heirs with Jesus Christ, and then her name
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: and a date, Yeah, and a date eighteen o six
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in this case.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Ugh, interesting, interesting, interesting.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, that was weird to me.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird one. That's a weird one. There's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a I heard a really good joke. It was Joseph
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: talking to Mary after Jesus was born. And Joseph comes
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to Mary and says, I baked you a blueberry pie.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: And Mary says, well, we don't have an oven, and
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: he goes, do you see how weird that sounds?
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Nice?
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah? That that was good. All right. So let's talk about
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Millerism in eighteen thirty one, not the beer, just that
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: this is a person. In eighteen thirty one, religious leader
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: William Miller began preaching that the world would end with
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: the second coming of Christ in the year eighteen forty three. Now,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I think this is one that's like kind of fascinating
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: where you know, the Second Coming of Christ is not
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: supposed to be like an apocalyptic event. It's supposed to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: be like a world saving event. So like the fact
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: that Jesus is coming in he's the second Coming of
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Christ and he's actually going to destroy the world is
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: like kind of an interesting thing. Now, this second Coming
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: is supposed to happen in the year eighteen forty three,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: similar to Southcott, he amassed a reported massive number of
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: followers to his Millerism, and his followers now called Millerites,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and they prepared themselves for the end of the world,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: or at least the end of humanity specifically. You may
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: already know kind of how the story goes. The world
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: didn't end in eighteen forty three, so he quote unquote
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: recalculated and determined it must instead have been eighteen forty four,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: and that the world would end then. So he forgot
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: to carry the one, or he did his math wrong
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and so they prepared anew One follower named
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Henry Emmons wrote, quote, I waited all Tuesday, and dear
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Jesus did not come straight for two days without any pain,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: sick with disappointment end quote. And isn't that kind of
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: the story. Isn't that kind of the story of like
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: people who buy into this is like they're kind of
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: always left disappointed.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm always left disappointed when I listen to ads. Okay,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: So we have now walked through what is that four
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: or five different end of world events going on here
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Several?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think we have. We have quite a few,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: all right, So the next one, we're up into the
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. This is Halle's commet in nineteen ten. Okay,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: so this is a comment. It's Halle's comment. It comes
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: back into the view of the earth every seventy five
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to seventy six years. Most places just say seventy six,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: but it's about about on that timeline. It's such a rare, beautiful,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: almost supernatural event that people just go crazy when it
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: comes around. We will likely get to see one more
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: in our lifetime. It's like twenty sixty one or something
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: like that, when the next one's supposed to happen. Okay,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: I think I looked that up. So you and I,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: assuming something doesn't kill us between now and then, we'll
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: hopefully get to see another. Halley's comment, that's fun. When
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: it came around in nineteen ten, people went bananas. Some
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: writers in the UK wrote that this signal that Germany
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: would invade the UK. Some scientists quote unquote scientists, although
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: this is nineteen ten, I guess maybe that was as
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: what you could expect from scientists.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: That's close as you got.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They claimed that they found poisonous gas and the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: tail of the comet called cyanogen, and a French astronomer,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Camille Flammarion, predicted that the gas would fill the Earth's
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: atmosphere and kill us all. So people started buying gas masks,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: building underground bunkers, and even some enterprising individuals started bottling
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and selling bottled air amazing. Still, others believe that the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Omitt the comet, not the Omit the comet, might crash
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: into the Earth and wipe us out that way. One
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: headline read may kill all Earth, says scientists, so sold
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of papers. Yeah, evidently there was. This part's
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a little disturbing. Apparently there was a group in Oklahoma
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: who attempted to sacrifice a virgin to ward off the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: impending doom. And so, yeah, the people went a little
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: bit nuts. The non believers of all of this hype
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: not that they didn't believe in the comet, they just
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: didn't believe in the end of the world. They had
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: two rooftop parties and they watched the comet pass by,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and the comment did pass by uneventfully, as it always
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: had and always will, and life went on.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Ah beautiful. Let's talk about the Christ's Kingdom prophecy of
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: nineteen fourteen. So this one is going to take place
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: with some Jehovah's Witnesses. And Jehovah's Witnesses are an interesting group,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and so I know that we tend to be pretty
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: flippant in general about religion, but there is like something
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: really fascinating about folks here, like as a non believer
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: like I. So I'm going to share a quick story.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: In high school, I dated a girl who belonged to
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a local Jehovah's Witness Kingdom hall, like the local group,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and I got to go to like a couple of meetings.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I was invited even though I was definitely not part
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of the group, and it was there was a lot
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: of conflict with this family. They did not like me
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: because I was for sure a non believer and we
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: would have and because I would ask questions I'd be like,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: what makes you think you're one of the one hundred
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: and forty four thousand, and they're like, they did not
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: like that question. So, by the way, if you're talking
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: to be respectful, if you're talking to somebody who's Joe's witness,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: maybe don't ask them why they think they're going to stay.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: You know, that doesn't usually go well. So anyway, this
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: uber religious Christian offshoot was founded in the eighteen seventies
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: and early on adopted the belief that Christ would come
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: in nineteen fourteen and bring about the end of the world.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: They went door to door attempting to recruit members and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: save the souls of as many people as possible before
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: the bloody Apocalypse in nineteen fourteen. That year came and went,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and Christ did not come and the world did not end. However,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: that was the year that Archduke Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand, not
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the band, the Archduke, he was saccin and World War
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: One was kicked off. So maybe not a good sign.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Maybe bad things were happening, maybe not like the end
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of the world by definition, but also some pretty gnarly
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: things happening.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a rough year. And like
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: kicked off a series of horrible events. But yeah, so
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: there's that. Yeah. I used to have a there was
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a small group of Jehovah's witnesses that used to stop
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: by regularly and talk to me, and I really enjoyed
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: talking to them. I also would ask them a lot
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: of questions. And I like to point out they showed
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: me this video on Jesus at Easter and like the
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: camera zooms in from like a zoomed out view of
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the Earth down into the Middle East and here's this
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: like super white guy like on the screen. I was like,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the one you found the one white person in all
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the Middle East? Huh? And that's a and that that's Jesus. Okay. Anyway,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: moving on, So that was the Christ's Kingdom prophecy of
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: nineteen at fourteen. All right, onto the True Way in
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, so it's the eighties. We're having fun.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: In Taiwan, a religious leader named Han Ming Chen established
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Chen Tao or the True Way, blending all the good
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: ideas together. He had Christianity, Buddhism, Ufo conspiracy theories, and
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Taiwanese folk religion just take a little dash or whatever.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Put him together. Bam, you have a you have a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: religious cult. Sure, So he made a remarkably specific pronouncement.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of these they're like they do give
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you dates, but sometimes it's like some of them bad's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: going to happen. His was quite specific. So he told
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: us that God would appear on US television on Channel
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: eighteen on March twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight. The following year,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: there would be massive numbers of devil spirits and a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: great flood would wash away human existence. However, you could
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: escape this terrible fate, and the way to do that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: is to purchase a one way ticket to board a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: spaceship disguised to look like clouds for some reason, which
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: would come and rescue you on doomsday.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, if you have an omniscient God,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: then your cloud spaceship is not going to protect you.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe he was predicting, like the election of h.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: George hw Bush, But the world did not end.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, he just threw up in the Chinese
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Prime Minister's.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Lap, that's all nice.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that. It was like
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: some press conference and he was sick yet food poisoning,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: and he like leaned over and threw up on the
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Chinese leader's lap in the middle of on television. It
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: was pretty great.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that, but that is pretty great.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Basically you watch it and you go, oh, that's where
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: w gets it from. All right, so let's talk about
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Heaven's Gate nineteen ninety seven. Now, I'm going to start
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: this by saying that the Heaven's Gate story is a
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: really all of these stories probably have some like large
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: complex tapestries of contextual variables that lead to this, and
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Heaven's Gate is one of the more well known cult
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: examples that has been done kind of like in some
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: true crime spaces. Super fascinating stuff if you are interested
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: in the Hea Gate discussion. But we are talking about
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Apocup's predictions, and so Heaven's Gate is one of those
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: places that this happened. This is Comet Doom part two,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: if you will. So the Heaven's Gate cult, founded by
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Marshall Applewhite believed that, and just breathe with me for
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: a second. They believe that aliens in a UFO. You know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: what's why are we calling a UFO at this point?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: If we know its aliens, you know, we know it's aliens,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: So it can't be UFO because we know it's an
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: alien flying object. So like at that point in time
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: was like.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It can't be both not identified.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it is now identified and it is a flying spacecraft.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: So anyway, the spacecraft writing in the Tale of the
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Hailbop commet which only passes Earth every twenty four hundred
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: years or so, like kind of it takes long vacations
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: from Earth. Understandably, the spaceship is traveling in the tail
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of Hailbop and when it passes by the Earth in
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, would wipe out humans off the planet
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and transfer our souls into the next life. Sadly, they
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: decided to join that spaceship and this is a really
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: unfortunate situation, would need to force the end of their
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: own lives. They actually they actually took part in a
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: mass suicide and thirty nine members of the cult died
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: as a result. Sos as hail Bob was passing. So
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I remember Hailbob coming through. I remember seeing it and
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: like it was like a pretty big deal because it
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: was like a once in a lifetime thing. And then
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: later finding this out, you're like, oh, that's really that's dark.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I do remember the Heaven's Gate thing in the news,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: and I remember seeing hail Bob in the sky an incredible,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: incredible thing to see. Yeah, and yeah, I mean it
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: really is something else. So it just shows you, I think,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: how amazing our universe really is without necessarily need to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: superimpose alien spacecrafts and commet tales that would transfer our
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: souls to the next life. Like, that's a lot. That's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: a lot. There's so much going on, swallow, it's just wild.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wild stuff.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Next one. So this is Pat Robertson. We have multiple examples.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Well he actually precedes Heaven's Gate stuff and then goes
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: past it. So nineteen eighty two, two thousand and six,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: twenty ten, Eli Jimps, I mean Pat Robertson was a
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: TV evangelist who also ran for president for the You
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Guessed It Republican Party. On his show The seven hundred Club,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he boldly stated that, quote, I guarantee by the end
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty two, there is going to be a
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: judgment on this world end quote.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: There wasn't sure.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe because we elected Reagan and that's you know,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that halted it for a minute. God send US Reagan. Actually,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I think Reagan was before that, so maybe I think
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he maybe was elected in eighty I don't know. Anyway,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: he claimed that God told him, so Okay, the world
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: didn't end in nineteen eighty two, so he then later
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: claimed that God told him in two thousand and six
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: there would be giant tsunamis that would destroy much of
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the world. They didn't in two thousand and eight. He
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: then proclaimed that in twenty ten, the stock market would
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: crash and there would be worldwide violence, which I don't
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: know why the stock market crashing would lead to worldwide violence,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: but that was his prediction, and zero for three, none
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of those things happen.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you're gonna have these televangelists that
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: like it's, yeah, you might be noticed kind of a
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: thing a theme here where there's a little bit of
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: fear mongering and we'll talk about this, but like a
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: lot of it's just kind of like people just pulling
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: stuff out of their asses. Like people, it's like so funny.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: People on a microphone can just do this all time,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Like they'll be talking, they'll be predicting things, and then
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Nat'll show up.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're back. We've been talking about, you know, multiple
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: examples of the end of the world. We just talked
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: about the TV evangelist, and you know, it's interesting we
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: look back at that and think, oh, yeah, that's silly.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, at the time, like a lot of people
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: legitimately thought this, like they were really scared. They legitimately
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: thought this was happening. Possibly he legitimately thought this was happening,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: although I highly doubt it. They really were bought into
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: was going on.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's actually a great point. You know,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: we might be coming across as like a little bit
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: like like kind of like joking about this and kind
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: of like not taking it very seriously because we have
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the hindsight of looking back and going like, eh, I mean,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: there's no way that was going to happen. We don't
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: blame the people that are following these claims, Like these
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: folks like truly believe in this, and there's like a
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: lot of like coercion and fear and like people are
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: afraid for their lives in these situations. And it's really
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: the problem of the person making the predictions and not
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the people that are following the predictions and reacting to
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: those predictions, Like there is really I think it's really
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: important for us to like note that they're sinking.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Their money, their time, their energy into planning for these
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: sorts of things, and it's just part of the reason
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: for us to talk about this is to help illustrate
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: like a survey of the past of this might help
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: us make better decisions in the future, right because like
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: we're not done with people predicting the end of the world.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: That's going to keep happening. So what could we learn
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: from what has happened in the past and take that
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: forward with this, Like we've already covered like a dozen
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of these so far, and it's like at some point
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you've got to think, like every time they're like, oh, well,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: it'll be the next one, and then it'll be the
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: next one, and it'll be the next one. I'm like,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: maybe it won't be any of them, though, like right,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: like we don't necessarily need to like say, like, oh,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: what if it's next time? Like that could always be
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: true of anything at all times. Maybe I'm gonna die
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: of cancer tomorrow. Probably not, but like you know, we
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: could live in the world of fear about things that
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: could but won't happen or like let's try and like
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: learn what we have learn from history, Like what has
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: history taught us about these sorts of things? So right, exactly, okay,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: we're on to Y two K. We're gonna move off
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of the religious fervor for a moment and go to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the tech religious fervor.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Now, as far back as the mid eighties, tech enthusiasts
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think there were any actual computer programmers who
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: shared this concern, but tech enthusiasts, we shall say, noted
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that the dates the years in dates on computer software
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: were denoted with two digits, So nineteen eighty five was
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: simply written as eighty five, nineteen ninety two was simply
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: written as ninety two. But that meant that, like, if
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: we assume that the prefix is nineteen, then what happens
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: when we transition to the year two thousands, because then
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the computers would read the date as nineteen hundred and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: not two thousand, right, because the prefix was assumed so Reportedly,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the concern then was by these people that this would
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: result in mass chaos and would thrust our civilization back
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to the Stone Ages. I saw which side note here,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: The Stone Ages was like many millennia before computers were
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: even an idea that someone might have. I'm not sure
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: why if computers failed, we wouldn't just return to the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: time right before computers were super prolific, if anything was
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. Instead, it's like we skip past that and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: go all the way back to way before we even
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: had like wheels.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: We lose the Yeah, we lose the iron age, we
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: lose the bronze a.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: We lose all of it. Yeah, all we have is
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: knives and hammers. All other technology is gone.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden. We forget metallurgy, right, like we forge,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: we forget how to make tools. We forget all of it,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: like like just because we can't get on the internet anymore.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So anyway, that was apparently the prediction. So
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: religious believers, some some religious believers, not all of them,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: but religious believers, some of them did think that like
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: this was now the apocalypse they'd been waiting for, Like
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: we don't even have to wait for a guy to
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: tell us, like the technology is just going to do
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it to us, right right. Less, religious people still whipped
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: into a frenzy also planned for the end. And again
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: people you know, religious and not they stockpiled supplies, they
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: stockpiled gasoline, They built bunkers, and they waited for the
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: ball to drop in times square for the very last
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: time in all of human history. That was twenty five
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: years ago, a quarter of a century. We made it.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: We made it across the finish line.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we were both teenagers when this was happening,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: So like I remember, like, remember how whipped up everybody was.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: I remember staying up, Like I remember staying up that
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: night and going, I want to see what happens. Yeah,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: like just because I was curious, because everybody was so
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: nervous about it.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: It was so scary, and I think even at the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: benign some people were like, maybe our computers will like
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: struggle tomorrow on like New Year's Day two.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Thousand, right, which didn't happen at all.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: No, No, it was totally fine.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was totally fine. And I'm sure if you're
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: listening to the show, you probably remember this too. Maybe
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you have your own, like you have your own experiences,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: like maybe you had a caregiver, like a parent that
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: like stocked up on canned goods just in case, like
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: we didn't, but like I know I had friends that
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: they did. They were, like their parents were really nervous
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: It'd probably be fun to even dig into this because like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: essentially computer programmers knew this was going to happen, like, oh,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: we need to fix the date thing in here, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: so they did.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah it's a software patch.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we prevented the apocalypse with an add on Yeah DLC. Yeah,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I love that. Now let's talk about some more science
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: apocalypse stuff. So the Big Band of two thousand and nine,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about the Large Hadron Collider, which is
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: a true scientific marvel. So this is a gigantic piece
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: of equipment that is sixteen point eight miles or twenty
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: seven kilometers calameters calameters kilometers in circumference. So when I
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: say circumference is really important to remember it is a circle.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: It is used to accelerate atoms to great speeds and
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: then smash them into each other to see what happens.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: It's basically like an atomic level demolition derby rules. It
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is like, science is so cool. We are smashing atoms
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: in a tube that is sixteen seventeen miles long. That
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: is amazing. Now. The thing is, though, as some people
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: fear that this could create a black hole which would
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: swallow the Earth, which you know, at this point in time,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: like when we talk about things like the Mandala effect
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: and we talk about like you know, the end of
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: times and all the fun stuff that goes along with this, Like, yeah, okay,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I get it, Like we're probably in a black hole
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: somewhere and we don't even know it. There's actually a
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: theory that we are, so we'll talk about that every day.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: But a group of scientists even sued to prevent this
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: from going forward, that the actual tests going forward. In
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, they started their atom smashing experiments
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: and started looking at what was happening, and there were
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: some excellent discoveries that came from this process, including I
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: believe like a new state of matter was discovered as
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: part of this or something along those lines. Wasn't it
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: like there was something there was like, uh, like a
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: new type of quark or something was discovered. There's like
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: some really cool things that were discovered as a result
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: of this. I'm not a quantum scientist and not an
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: atom specialist, so like I'm not a particle physicistist, I'm
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: not even if I'm not even a basic physicist, So
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: I don't like doing anything physical and I don't like
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: physics and maths. So but amazing things were discovered as
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: a result of this, but no black holes happened as
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: far as we know.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, if I remember correctly, this is
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: where the Higgs boson was discovered.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, the God particle, the God particle.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could be wrong, but I believe that's where
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: this came from, and many others too, Like there were
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: all kinds of cool things that they've discovered and continue
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: to discover. And sure, maybe we all live inside of
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: a black hole now and maybe that's the case, but
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: we don't seem to, and life goes on, so I
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: don't care. Yeah, I feel right. I feel like if
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: it was a black hole that I would have been
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: a lot more uncomfortable at some point during that.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't feel time displaced.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but whatever, I mean, if we are, then like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: we're still going, so it's good.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, my quality of life is still decent.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, We're onto our next one. Harold's Camping Rapture. That's
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: actually a bit of a misnomer that I thought was fun.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: His name was Harold Camping.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fun.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: But I like the camping rapture.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: He was an American Christian radio broadcaster who also loved
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: predicting the end of times. He made at least a
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: dozen world ending predictions, and in nineteen ninety two he
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: published a book called nineteen ninety four Question Mark, which
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: is really great, of course, suggesting that the world would
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: end nineteen ninety four. It didn't. By then, he started
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: using numerology and selected readings from the Bible to calculate
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: that seven thousand years from the Great Biblical Flood would
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: be the end of the world. Because the number seven
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: very important, We're several thousand years out, so it had
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: to be seven thousand. Otherwise it would have been seven
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred or whatever, seventy thousand if we were another
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: ten thousand years in the future. He landed on seven thousand. Sure,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that would mean that the end of the world following
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: seven thousand years from the Great Flood would happen on
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: May twenty first, two thy eleven. I don't know about you,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: but I feel like I've noticed a lot of May
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: dates in the end of time.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Now, why do people like May?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: May is beautiful, It's like spring, and like going into summer.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: It's I don't know what the deal is, so maybe
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: that's it is like things are just getting good and
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: so like the end of the world happens, just very
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: very doom and gloom. Yeah, okay, Anyway, he was so
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: confident he made the proclamation again and again. So this
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: is May twenty first, twenty eleven. He sent his followers
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: to go door to door to warn people, to bring
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: them into the fold, to get more support orders and
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: followers to donate to his cause. I'm sure. Anyway, after
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Memorial Day came and went in twenty eleven, the world
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: was still here, and so he admitted he miscalculated. He
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: reconfigured the date and was like, oh, sorry, October twenty first,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven, that's the one. The world didn't end again,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: but Camping did pass two years later at the edge
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: the age of ninety one. So for him, the world ended,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: although it was two years after he thought the world
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: was going to end.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: It took a minute. It took a minute. Let's talk
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: about the Maye calendar in specifically twenty twelve, which I
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: feel like this is also the one that people talk
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: about where the world did end. And then now we
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: are in this current healthscape that we live in and
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: dealing with that. So I've heard this one a couple
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: of times. Yeah, Yeah, we're in the curse timeline as
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: of the Maye Calendar's end dates. So anyway, got it.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I think this is important to really start with the
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: idea that Europeans generally have. And when we say Europeans,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: we're not saying like currently, and we're not saying you specifically,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: We're saying the general collective.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Europeans from a long time ago for the most part, Yeah, from.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: A long time ago. Yes, have historically had a low
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: opinion about the rest of the world, especially like and
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: maybe more so colonizers, if you will. Yeah, many countries
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: did not embrace ruthless industry with the fervor that Europeans did,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: and so they all thought that other races were inferior
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to them. And it was quite surprising when the Mayan
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: civilization had a robust and complex mathematical system and extensive
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: understanding of calendar's dates and celestial happenings. I mean it,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: truly incredible stuff. Here. In the nineteen sixties, a Mayan
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: stone tablet was found that proclaimed that a Mayan god
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: would return after the thirteenth cycle called Baktun or Bacton
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: of their calendar. Now, the Mayan Long calendar had started
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: five and twenty five years earlier, and enthusiasts calculated that
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the calendar cycle would end on December twenty first, twenty
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: twenty twelve, which if you write that date out, it's
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: twelve twenty one twelve, so one two two one one two,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: so kind of fun to see in writing now. Archaeologist
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: further found a reference to twelve twenty one twelve in
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: brick at a Mayan ruins. Many incorrectly assumed that the
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: end of the calendar meant the end of times as
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: opposed to a restarting calendar, and prepared for the end.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: And there was even a movie which is pretty fun,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: albeit very very ridiculous, And it was hypothesized that the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Earth would collide with an imaginary planet called Nibiru, that
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: solar flares would wipe us out, and the planet alignment
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: would cause massive tidal floods and realignment of the Earth's axis.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: We're not dead, at least not yet, at least as
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: far as we know, because some people say that we
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: did die and that we were in purgatory, which is
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: why we have Trump for president. That's one of the
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: verifying variables, like the verifying factors that people will use
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to say that the world ended. But the maind calendar one.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I remember when that was going on too, and everybody
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: was like really really having a hard time with that,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and they also I remember reading or hearing that what
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: brought about the apocalypse according to the Mayan calendar was
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: not a Mayan god, but actually the Hadrin collider.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Oh sure, yeah, yeah, I mean I think there was conspiracy.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Theorists do this a lot. Essentially, it's like, just connect
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: any two things. It doesn't really matter whether or not
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: they're connected, just draw a line between them, and like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: when they don't pan out, then you just say, oh,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: got the dates wrong or got the calculation wrong, it's
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: this instead, and it's like it never pans out. But
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: they can just keep saying it will happen. And I
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: do remember, like I think I don't remember who now,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: but I have a strong memory of there being people
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in my life who were like the world's ending in
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: twenty twelve, Like it just is like, bummer, but that
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: is what's going going to happen. Sure, I was like, great,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I'll see you in twenty thirteen.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like apocalypse predictors are like the
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: masters of just kidding.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Oh man, and we should probably transition to our next topic,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: just kidding ads. So we got lines like fifteen examples
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: of people predicting the end times coming, some of them
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: through religions, some of them through other means. And I
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: really tried to look for if there was some good
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: like scientific research on why people predict the end of
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the world, and I really just didn't pin down anything.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: The stuff that I did pin down or that I
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: did find was very questionable and like what they were saying.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: But I still think like we have some things that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: we can look at these events and we can pull
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: out some patterns of things that we noticed. And one
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: of the ones that I noticed is like, there's just
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: a trend of magical thinking. And I would call I
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: would lump conspiratorial thinking in with magical thinking. It's language
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: gives us this amazing capacity to behave with respect to
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: things that are not Like we can act toward an
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: event that has never happened and never will, Like, let's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: just take a look at like an actor and actually,
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: who's on a stage pretending that they're responding to a dragon.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That's a very weird thing to do, and they know
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: that it's not real, and we know that they know
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: that it's not real. Behavior indicates that it is real. Yeah,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: now that's a totally simulated environment where we like everyone's
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: aware the fact that us pretend. And although I do
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: think that is cool and unique, Like you then extrapolate
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: that out to people who actually believe and the very
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: magical things that they have endorsed, whatever that might be,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and that they actually believe that like the world might end.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: They actually believe there's an invisible sky wizard who watches
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: everything that they do, or that there's hundreds of magical
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: forest wizards that watch everything that they do, or that
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: they have to like bleed something to make some deific
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: entity happy, or that they need to mumble things into
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the air, or in their own minds that that will
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: somehow affect the cosmic entity in which we live. Like
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: there's this this tendency of magical thinking, and that just
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: affords the if you accept the level of arbitrariness that
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: is afforded by the flexibility of language, any language at all,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: like language just by nature allows arbitrary things to be
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: real to us psychologically, Right, then you can easily start
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: to go down the rabbit hole of just buying into
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: all arbitrariness is as true as all other arbitrariness. Like
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: for me to say that, like next year, I'm gonna
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: go on a trip to wherever, Well, I don't know
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen a year from now, and a
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: year is an arbitrary construct anyway. But like I could
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: plan that and actually execute that thing to happen, and
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I can do a lot of things in my behavior
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: now that would indicate that, like that is a thing
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: that's definitely going to happen, whether or not it really will, right,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: But other people, like they can't necessarily tell that, Like
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: there's a difference between that and like an invisible wizard
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: entity is going to magically appear and kill all humans.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: And to them, those are like equally plausible things like
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on a trip to Rome. Everyone's gonna
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: die like those, right, they hold those two ideas, And
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: that's it's this magical thinking thing that I think becomes
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: really pervasive and sometimes really difficult to escape. And it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and I see that very commonly in a lot of
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: these predictions that we saw, not all of them, but
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a lot of them. And I think that I would
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I would wrap religious thinking into that, conspiratorial thinking into that.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: But I think that's one thing that helps explain why
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: we get to this level of believing that the world
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: is going to end, or even just saying that the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: world is going to end as just a heavy dose
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: of magical thinking without critical thinking or skepticism or like
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: any real scientific approach to trying to understand events as
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: we see them.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's completely reasonable. Another reason I think
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: this comes up is because we try to make sense
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: a very rare and almost what seems to be supernatural,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: seeming random events like a comet, right, comments are not
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: a common occurrence that we see in our night sky
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: or our day's guy, right, Like, we don't see these
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: very often, and especially something like hailbop, which is twenty
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: seven hundred years between visits. So we have this kind
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: of like this really interesting ability to language around these
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: supernatural events and to relate them to other unrelated events. Right.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: That's kind of like the beautiful thing about and the
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: interesting thing about relational frame theory and how we start
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: tying things together that are completely unrelated. It's very easy
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: to do that through language. And so these random events
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: that occur that we have no understanding or idea of
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: what that thing is, we start languaging around it, we
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: start hypothesizing around it, we start creating and generating these
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: theories in different things, and then we create these stories
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: because humans are master storytellers too, So on top of
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: having complex language, on top of seeing this rare event
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: that is something that you may never see in your
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: life again, we have kind of learned to language and
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: storytell and create these narratives around these these really complex,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: really interesting, really unique and once in a lifetime things
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: that happen in our world. It's like it's very easy
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: for us to do that in this at least in
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: regard to these kind of natural phenomenon that we see.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I think that's where we see that most often. Like
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I would imagine the first person that saw Roora borealis,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: probably it blew their mind right, or you know, like
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: or like the first person who was able to language
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: around the comet, like like any comment going like whoa
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you see that? You know, like I think it's probably
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: really interesting, but that's really I think one of the
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: one of the key features of some of these apocalypse events.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you were to imagine if we
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: had comments in our night sky every day, like we
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: would just not assign any particular meaning to them, right,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: But because they only come around once every three or
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: four generations at most, they carry this like major significant
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: event just because they're rare. Like that's really it. Like
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: I imagine, like if we took something like thunder and lightning,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Like let's just imagine that thunder and lightning never happened
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: except once every seventy five years, Like when it did happen,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that would be a huge deal. Like people would be like,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: why are those going on?
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: That's why we lose our minds about eclipses.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and then those even happened, like we get
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: one of those like eighteen months. Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Most of our Earth is ocean, so we just don't
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: tend to see them, right or you know, like lands
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: in like super super uninhabited places, even if it is
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: on land. So like eclipses happen all the time. But
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: even even those that aren't that rare, we treat as
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: being these phenomenally rare events and They're amazing, They're beautiful,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: they're breathtaking to behold. I've never even seen I've never
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: even been in the path of totality, but even the
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: partial eclipses I've seen have been just like awe inspiring
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: and how cool they are and so like, yeah, I
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: can understand not making sense of it. But I also
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: think of like the zoomed out view of like, let's
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: just imagine that we are like way outside of Earth.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: We're sort of looking in on the Solar System like
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: a gut with a godlike view, and it's on hyper
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: speed because like we just want to see things. Times
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: pass and we see these comets zip around. Some of
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: them come around fairly frequently, some of them not so often,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: but we seem zip around the planet. And every time
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: a planet comes by, the inhabit and inhabitants of Earth go
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: like and they get all excited because like they're a
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: comment happening, and so this happens every single time the
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: comment was as by, and we just kind of chuckle
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and go, oh, look, they're all excited about the comment. Again.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Because our lives span the time that they do span,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: it's super rare. So anyway, I think we're going to
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: move on from that. Yeah.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: One of the interesting things you may have picked up
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: on as we were talking through this and these predictions
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: is that all of these end of world scenarios, they
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: tended to overlap the lives of the people making the prediction.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Like the people predicted every time this is going to
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: happen within our lifetime, within a year or two year
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: or two or ten years or something like that. It
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: was always something like that, Like the furthest out one
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: was the one with the Jehovah's witnesses, was like thirty
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: five or thirty four years or something like that, right,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: And so like most of these are pretty short time lines,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: and I think there's a tendency for us to think
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: like our lives to us are so important because it's
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: the only life we'll ever have. Like, my consciousness will
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: never be in another person. It's always going to be
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: me and my body with my experiences. That's it. I
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: get this one lifetime that I'm done. And so we
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: tend to think that like the most cataclysmic, the most
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: important events that will ever happen on Earth will happen
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: during the most important time on earth, which is my life, right, right,
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: that's when it has to take place. So it is
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: it's kind of this interesting thing that like people always
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: sort of put that inside of like the realm of
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: like what their lifespan is likely to be. And I
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: think that there's just this this tendency because our lives
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: are so important and unique to us to want to
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: slot important world events into overlapping that period of time
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: with where we happen to exist. So I don't know
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: that that's exactly the case, but it makes a lot
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: of sense to me that that would be part of
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: why we see this pattern of people always predicting just
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: outside of like where we are currently as like when
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: things are going to happen.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Right, you're right, So they get to see they get
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: to see the event, you know, like I'm gonna be
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: here for it because it's important. Yeah, I could see that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the last one that I think is something
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: that maybe you all thought about too, is it sometimes
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: this is just a get rich or like a quick
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: power grab scheme. Right, So like if I make it
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: so that the end of the world is coming, then
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I can create a solution. I can create classes on
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: how to survive the end of the world. I can
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: build a spaceship that you can get on, and then
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: you can join my cult, and then we can go
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: on the spaceship.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Right, I can tell you about Yeah, I can tell
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: you a boat.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: And the thing is like that sounds a little bit
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: ridiculous to maybe somebody who's going I wouldn't do that,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: but there are people who will. And that's the thing.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: This is how I mean arguably pseudoscience works. Yeah, right,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Like the idea of pseudoscience is, like, you create a problem,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: you create some confusion around it, you coerce people in
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: the believing they need it, and now all of a sudden,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: you make a lot of money. And it only lasts
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: for a short period of time as long as that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: manufactured crisis exists, but it does last for a long
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: enough period of time that you end up with a
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: website like Goop. So like you have this kind of
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: situation where like you can create a problem, and sometimes
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: it is a medical crisis, sometimes it is an apocalypse.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: But in either of these situations, like you're creating a crisis,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: you're manufacturing a possible end of day's scenario. You generate resources,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: you generate things around that, and you make a lot
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: of money, followers, power, esteem. You gain a lot from
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: those situations. And that is arguably the most parsimonious of
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: all of the things that we just talked about.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: It is I'm also possibly the most cynical. Yeah, and
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: one of the things I think people learned, Like you
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: might hear that and be like, well, yeah, but when
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: their prediction doesn't come true, then like people will get
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: mad and want their money back. They did a thing
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: with this on the TV show The Righteous Gemstones where
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: they had like this this disaster preparedness kit. I think
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: it was a Y two K thing in that one
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I'm like, the problem is that people
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: figure it out, Like Donald Trump really showed this to us,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: but people figured out that like long before that, even
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: like you could just like be and then just say
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: a new lie and people will just then pick up
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Right you move the goalpost?
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right. We saw that with with
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Pat Robertson, We saw that with Herald Camping. We've seen
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: this like with a lot of people where it's just
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter if it's not true, you just
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: say it and then people believe it, and like that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: they figured out that you could just say that and
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter if you get proven wrong or
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: called out. And like as we talked about with our
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: episodes on fake news, like then they can also just
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: create an infrastructure to support everything that they say, and
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: people will then just buly that too, and so like
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: they'll only highlight things that are going well. They'll just
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: not report on things that are not going well, or
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: they'll spin it and just say like a lie about
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: it and say like, oh, this is the greatest our
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: economy's ever been, while you know, people are losing their
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: jobs and prices are skyrocketing and whatnot, and like anyway,
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: like it is cynical, but it is like the thing
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: like you can just do this and just change the date,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: say you got it wrong, or not even say you
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: got it wrong, just say spin a new lie, and
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: like people just keep hanging on with it. Like I
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: could tell you we're not going to play anymore ads
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: and then I do. Okay, I think that more or
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: less wraps up the sort of I mean, I think
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: there's more than that too, Like I think there are
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: other examples. I think there are people who have mental
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: health issues that probably are likely to say and buy
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: into these things. I think there are other circumstantial things,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: like they might be trying to get out of something
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that like they would otherwise be in trouble for. There
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: could be a lot of reasons for predicting the end
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: of the world, but I think the broad theme stood
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: out to me is this magical thinking, making sense of
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: rare events, thinking our lives are the most important thing ever,
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: and then sort of play to get power and money
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: and followers and prestige and very comfortably for a few
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: years while you're bathing in the reverie of the people
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that you've convinced. Right, I think for the sake of time,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: we should go ahead and wrap this one up and
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: get to some recommendations. But is there anything that you
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: would like to add before we transition?
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: No, I think that covers it.
• 59:55
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• 59:58
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• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: You're ready to do that, Let's do it recommendations, all right.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: I am recommending a movie. This movie is called The
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: Sound of Metal. This was I think produced.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: By Amazon Prime or Amazon Movie Studios whatever they do there,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: or at least they were one of the people who
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: made this. This star is riz Ahmed, Olivia Cook and
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Lauren Ridloff, who people may know from the Eternal's Marvel movie.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: It follows a drummer of a metal band. I will say,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: if you are metal music averse, that is a pretty
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: small part of what happens in this story. It's like
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the first ten ish minutes and it's not just ten
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: minutes of metal, but like that's where he's playing music,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: and after that it's really about his experience after that.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Pretty much right away at the beginning of the movie,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: he starts to lose his hearing. It rapidly deteriorates and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: he becomes deaf, and so this is a movie about
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: his experience going through deafness. And the sound design on
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: this is just really incredible. They do a really good
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: job a lot of the time portraying like what he
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: is experiences when sound is almost completely gone for him,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: and how he's sort of trying to navigate the world.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: It's not the whole time, it's just like at certain
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: moments to help I think highlight how his experience is
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: now so different. Right, It's at one point just very
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: heartbreaking as he's like desperately trying to deal with the
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: loss of his hearing and is like a totally new
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: experience for him, and then sew uplifting when he finds
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: a community of deaf people to help really lift him up.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: And then just like his sort of arc as a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: person as he's going through this, and so I think
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: it's a really fun not fun, it is a very interesting,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: well done movie to watch. Sound of Metal.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds great. It's been on my list since
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: we talked about it before, and I I can't wait
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: to check it out. So very good. All right, So
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: my recommendation is a little bit more nebulous, but I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: think it's something that I've found value in more recently.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: So I just got back from Italy and it was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: really really great trip. So I got the experience quite
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: a bit there. And the reason I got to experience
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: quite a bit is because I was fortunate enough to
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  Speaker 2: be able to book tours and book things like activities
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  Speaker 2: while I was on these trips. So historically, this is
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  Speaker 2: kind of what I'm getting at, is like, historically, what
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  Speaker 2: I would do is I would go to a place
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  Speaker 2: and I would just kind of go, I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: see what we can do and just kind of wander
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  Speaker 2: around and actually probably miss out on a lot of things. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So I would try to do what I could. I
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  Speaker 2: would see what I could, but I didn't really know
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  Speaker 2: what to look for, what to see, gotcha. And then
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  Speaker 2: last year I got to go to Hawaii and what
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  Speaker 2: I did was I'm going to make the most of
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  Speaker 2: this trip by booking different experience as well. I'm there,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna book some tours. I'm gonna have a schedule
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  Speaker 2: which is really great, and I'm going to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that I'm making the most of my time here, because normally,
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  Speaker 2: if I could figure something out, I would just kind
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  Speaker 2: of sit in my hotel room. So Hawaii was the
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  Speaker 2: first time I kind of tried this out, and it
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  Speaker 2: was great because I had a schedule of things that
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  Speaker 2: I was doing. I was going to go. You know,
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  Speaker 2: in Hawaii, I went swimming with sharks. We did like
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  Speaker 2: a breakfast tour, like a food tour type of thing, like,
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  Speaker 2: we did some cool things. This time. In Italy, what
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  Speaker 2: I did was I knew what my days off were,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm booking the entire day full
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  Speaker 2: of stuff. So when I was in Rome, I got
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  Speaker 2: to see the Pantheon, I got to see the Coliseum,
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  Speaker 2: I got to see the Roman Forum, Palatine Hill, Sistine Chapel,
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  Speaker 2: I got to go to the Vatican Museum, I got
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  Speaker 2: to go to We went to a couple different museums
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  Speaker 2: and got to see stuff, got to see Fontaine Trevy.
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  Speaker 2: We got to see a lot of things that happened
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  Speaker 2: there because I was able to book stuff. So if
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  Speaker 2: you have the resources, and you have the time, and
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  Speaker 2: you really want to kind of schedule stuff out, booking tours,
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  Speaker 2: booking events, booking things while you're on your trips is really,
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  Speaker 2: I think a great way to go about that. So
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  Speaker 2: I have benefited greatly from it. I'm also somebody who's
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  Speaker 2: like neurotic about my schedule, so like it was really
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  Speaker 2: nice to have like a really clear schedule of what
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  Speaker 2: I was doing without having to worry too much, got it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I also found a lot of benefit and like having
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  Speaker 1: like planned scheduled stuff like when you get there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I've also gone like way too over scheduled and I've
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  Speaker 1: been stressed running from one thing to another. The hack
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  Speaker 1: I have found is to space them out quite a bit,
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  Speaker 1: like give yourself a lot of transition time between activities
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  Speaker 1: and probably also book yourself a day off, like have
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  Speaker 1: a day where it's like you don't have anything and
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  Speaker 1: it could be just sort of a wander around day
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  Speaker 1: like sleep in goro, grab lunch, maybe check out a
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  Speaker 1: local bookstore, and then like go to bed early type
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Yeah, but yeah, that's a really good recommendation
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  Speaker 1: perfect well. As I said, that concludes our discussion on
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  Speaker 1: the on the End of the World for now. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: we'll have some more fun ones to come back to,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe we'll dive really deep into one of those things.
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  Speaker 1: But it was fun to just kind of listen them out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we recommended the Sound of Metal the movie, and book
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  Speaker 1: tours on trips, not book tours, booking tour things on trips.
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  Speaker 1: I think that that is it. So thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for listening. Thank you for recording with me today. Shane,
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  Speaker 1: I think that we can say goodbye. So this is Ibrahim,
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  Speaker 1: this is Shane. We're out.
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