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11-3 H2: 12th Man News, Fact or Fiction & Sam Darnold Issues · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: As part of our continuing NFL coverage for the 12th man,
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Greg.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Um, okay. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Feeling any better than you were yesterday?
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  Speaker 4: A little bit, incrementally. Good. I probably feel better than
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  Speaker 4: the Seahawks did.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to ask, how are they feeling after
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  Speaker 2: last night? Man.
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  Speaker 4: Well, last night they got sadly beat. When they've lost
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  Speaker 4: games this season, they've mostly said, well, this is on us,
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  Speaker 4: if we could be better. And yeah, they could have
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  Speaker 4: been better, of course, last night, but They were beaten
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  Speaker 4: by what last night was a better team in all aspects,
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  Speaker 4: especially in physicality and speed. And what I left out
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  Speaker 4: of the game with was, to me, is most damning is,
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  Speaker 4: is this how far the Seahawks are from the top,
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  Speaker 4: the best teams in the NFC? If you think about
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  Speaker 4: the Bears being 6-2, not even leading their own division
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  Speaker 4: right now, the Vikings are 6-1. And then what they
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  Speaker 4: did coming in, 17 play, eight-and-a-half-minute drive to start the game.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a lot of damning. But then the
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  Speaker 4: 49ers came in here and won as well, and they're 6-1.
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  Speaker 4: So is this what the Seahawks do against the best
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  Speaker 4: in the NFC? We saw what they did against the
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  Speaker 4: best at the time in the AFC, beating the previous
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  Speaker 4: undefeated Chiefs team. And then especially offensively, they didn't do
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  Speaker 4: any of that. They didn't. run the ball, they didn't
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  Speaker 4: gain on first and second down, to make short third downs,
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  Speaker 4: to sustain drives. It was a different season ago when
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  Speaker 4: they beat the Chiefs. Remember, they converted 10 of their
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  Speaker 4: first 12 third downs against the Chiefs. Why? Because they
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  Speaker 4: were short third downs. They were third and two and
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  Speaker 4: three and four, and Brian Fleury can run any play,
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  Speaker 4: and play action is much more effective because the defense
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  Speaker 4: has to honor the run. And last night, they couldn't
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  Speaker 4: convert a third down at all. I mean, of their
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  Speaker 4: first five drives, three of them were three and outs,
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  Speaker 4: and the fourth was a four-play drive. By the end
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  Speaker 4: of the third quarter, the Bears had run 59 offensive
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  Speaker 4: plays for about 400 yards, and the Seahawks had run
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  Speaker 4: just 27. 53 offensive plays to 27. So start there.
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  Speaker 4: They couldn't convert on third down because they were too long.
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  Speaker 4: They have a quarterback who's absolutely dependent on a running game,
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  Speaker 4: and if they don't have a running game, they won't win.
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  Speaker 4: They're just built that way. It's the way their offensive
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  Speaker 4: line is. It's the way their offense is. It's what
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  Speaker 4: their offense is based on. Their quarterback makes mistakes when
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  Speaker 4: pressured because defenses don't honor the run. And Zach Charbonnet
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  Speaker 4: and the return of Jadarian Price did not help last night.
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  Speaker 5: What is the injury status of Leonard Williams? And give
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  Speaker 5: us a report, please, of any other injuries.
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  Speaker 4: Connor O'Toole injured. Mike McDonald said he didn't have any
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  Speaker 4: specifics on how long the linebacker who did play in
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  Speaker 4: some base defense outside last night. Not sure how long
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  Speaker 4: he'll be out. But Leonard Williams' stinger, the nerve issue
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  Speaker 4: in the neck, Donald said he didn't have anything new
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  Speaker 4: other than that he hadn't finished a game. The entire
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  Speaker 4: fourth quarter, it was Mike Morris and not Leonard Williams.
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  Speaker 4: So short week doesn't help. They only have five days
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  Speaker 4: now until they play Arizona on Sunday, but nothing definitive
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  Speaker 4: on Leonard Williams going forward. They'll be off today. They'll
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  Speaker 4: practice tomorrow and have an injury report tomorrow. And that'll
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  Speaker 4: be the next indication of Leonard Williams. I was assuming
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  Speaker 4: he won't practice tomorrow and, he'll probably be right up
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  Speaker 4: to game-time decision type deal.
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  Speaker 3: What was the general feeling in the locker room last night?
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  Speaker 3: Was it, hey, we're okay, we can attack this and
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  Speaker 3: get back at it, and we believe in what we're doing?
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  Speaker 3: Or was there a feeling of, kind of, man, we
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  Speaker 3: lost to another good NFC team, as you were mentioning earlier?
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  Speaker 4: I felt surprised. I felt that they thought they were
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  Speaker 4: a little taken aback by how the Bears just took
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  Speaker 4: it to them. Now, on the podium outside the locker room,
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  Speaker 4: somewhat separated from the emotion of the rest of the team,
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  Speaker 4: Julian Love said, yeah, this isn't a great place to be.
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  Speaker 4: Four and four. He actually said, we're searching for identity.
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  Speaker 4: Corbin Smith of Emerald Spectrum, to his credit, said, wait
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  Speaker 4: a minute, we're eight games into the season. What do
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  Speaker 4: you mean identity? He goes, yeah, that's not a good
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  Speaker 4: place to be, is it? But what he means by
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  Speaker 4: that is they can't do anything. They can't sustain things
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  Speaker 4: for long enough time to say, oh, here we are.
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  Speaker 4: Here's who we are, especially on offense. But even their
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  Speaker 4: defensive identity wasn't there last night. They didn't stop to
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  Speaker 4: run well enough to make it short of third downs,
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  Speaker 4: and Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson could do whatever they wanted.
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  Speaker 4: McDonald didn't say it, but I think he and his
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  Speaker 4: staff got outcoached by Ben Johnson and his staff last night.
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  Speaker 4: They were in the first drive of the game. I
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  Speaker 4: noticed after catches, short catches, they were scheming to block Neiman.
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  Speaker 4: It sure looked like they were scheming to block Nick
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  Speaker 4: Neiman-Warrior in the open field after catches. And you rarely
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  Speaker 4: see that. Usually those blocks are just, if you happen
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  Speaker 4: to have a guy near Neiman-Warrior, go block him, right?
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  Speaker 4: Those are just spontaneous plays. It looked like that Johnson
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  Speaker 4: was putting guys after catches and running blocking routes to
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  Speaker 4: Neiman-Warrior out on the edge. And they converted a couple
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  Speaker 4: third downs on that 17-play drive by blocking Eamon Worry
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  Speaker 4: after the catch. That's second-level stuff if you're putting up
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  Speaker 4: blocking schemes down the field after catches. I thought that
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  Speaker 4: some of the third-down plays in the fourth-and-one play were
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  Speaker 4: also Ben McDonald just having great play calls. The most
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  Speaker 4: important third down of the game was when it was
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  Speaker 4: 20-17 in the fourth quarter. The Seahawks finally got back
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  Speaker 4: in the game and had momentum. Paul Deer midfield, that
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  Speaker 4: was the crazy sequence where they backjudged through the flag
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  Speaker 4: for a delay of game right at the snap, which
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  Speaker 4: they often let that go. And that negated Neiman Worre's
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  Speaker 4: stop would have been fourth and nine for a tackle
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  Speaker 4: for a loss on Swift. Out of field goal range,
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  Speaker 4: the Bears would have been punting there, but instead in third...
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  Speaker 4: A fourth and nine becomes third and nine because of
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  Speaker 4: the late game penalty, which made the play didn't count.
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  Speaker 4: And then they run a wide receiver lateral that Julian
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  Speaker 4: Love and Okada and a couple guys after the game
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  Speaker 4: said was the perfect play call for the defense that
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  Speaker 4: the Seahawks were in. They over-pursued to the quarterback. There
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  Speaker 4: was nobody on the edge. There were more blockers than
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  Speaker 4: Seahawks out there. And Kalief Raymond ran through there like
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  Speaker 4: he was, I mean, that was as fast as a
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  Speaker 4: player has run across the field in a long time.
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  Speaker 4: And he ran by the entire defense for 39 yards
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  Speaker 4: down to the five-yard line. Swift scores in the next play.
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  Speaker 4: Game over. 27-17. Then the lineman interception and the touchdown, 34-17.
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  Speaker 4: But the Seahawks get a stop on that play, and
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  Speaker 4: they've got the ball coming back. And Love said, we
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  Speaker 4: thought we were going to win the game there. But
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  Speaker 4: that was a perfect play call by Ben Johnson. Another
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  Speaker 4: example of him outcoaching Mike McDonald and the Seahawks. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't happen often, but when it happens, it's glaring that
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  Speaker 4: Mike McDonald gets beaten in the chest.
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  Speaker 5: Greg, what can you tell us about any thoughts within
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  Speaker 5: the building about any potential trade acquisitions? Are they done
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  Speaker 5: in your estimation, in your reporting with Quentin Nelson, or
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  Speaker 5: is there anything else to report?
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  Speaker 4: They're still chopping. Snyder's still on the phone he still
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  Speaker 4: has an ally and a good friend in Ed Dodds
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  Speaker 4: in the Colts building who's now the interim GM the
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  Speaker 4: smoke about Jonathan Taylor is real Dodds and the Colts
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  Speaker 4: are looking around to see what they might be able
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  Speaker 4: to get for Jonathan Taylor the Seahawks have 10 draft
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  Speaker 4: picks next year even after giving one of them to
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  Speaker 4: the Colts a third rounder to get Nelson but Last
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  Speaker 4: night it was telling to me, Hugh, that they didn't
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  Speaker 4: run behind Nelson. In the first half, they have an
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  Speaker 4: all-pro left guard, and in the first half they ran
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  Speaker 4: left one time, once. If I'm not mistaken, it was
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  Speaker 4: either on the first drive or the very second, third
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  Speaker 4: play of the game. For the night, they had 17
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  Speaker 4: carries by their running backs, which is way too few,
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  Speaker 4: but again, they were behind the sticks. They only had
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  Speaker 4: 27 plays in the first three quarters. But they had
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  Speaker 4: 17 runs to their running backs last night. Only four
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  Speaker 4: of them were to the left side, like true left-side runs.
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  Speaker 4: There were a couple up the middle that you could
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  Speaker 4: say were kind of near the guard. But true left-side runs,
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  Speaker 4: only four times in 17, fewer than, less than 25%.
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  Speaker 4: Behind you, it's supposed to be a Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 4: left guard. You just brought him here. Why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 4: run behind him?
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  Speaker 5: Because the backside cutoff is extremely important when you run
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  Speaker 5: to the right.
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  Speaker 4: It is. And actually, he got beat by Grady Jarrett
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  Speaker 4: a couple times. One time he pinned him on his
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  Speaker 4: back on a backside block. He also, Nelson, after the game,
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  Speaker 4: told me that he wasn't happy for himself for allowing
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  Speaker 4: a pressure by Jarrett right after he had pinned him
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  Speaker 4: on one of those blocks. But you'd think they would
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  Speaker 4: run a little more balanced than less than 25% of
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  Speaker 4: the time, and they'd just keep running right all the time.
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  Speaker 4: They just didn't have the ball and convert enough to
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  Speaker 4: play their offense. I only felt like they were reusing
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  Speaker 4: their game plan a couple times in the game, end
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  Speaker 4: of the third quarter when they finally got moving offensively,
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  Speaker 4: when they had some runs that set up to play
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  Speaker 4: action passes that got down there for a touchdown. It
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  Speaker 4: just sticks out to me that they only had 27
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  Speaker 4: plays in the first three quarters because they just can't
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  Speaker 4: sustain drives. This team has to run the ball to win.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't run it all last night, and their quarterback
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  Speaker 4: should have had two interceptions but threw another one.
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  Speaker 3: What can you tell us about the return of Charbonnet
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  Speaker 3: and Price? What was kind of the game plan in
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  Speaker 3: terms of the rotation between those two? And are they,
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  Speaker 3: I guess, with lack of a better term, feeling okay
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  Speaker 3: after playing game action for the first time in a while?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I talked to both of them in the locker room, Anders,
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  Speaker 4: and they said, And Price acted like, yeah, it's no
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  Speaker 4: big deal. That's why I was out for a month.
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  Speaker 4: I seem fine now. Charbonnet said, well, man, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't played in 10 months. I've never had a
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  Speaker 4: reconstructed knee. I've never had to come back from this.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know how I'm going to feel on Tuesday
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  Speaker 4: and Wednesday. And that will go a long way to
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  Speaker 4: determining whether his full go on Sunday against Arizona. It
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  Speaker 4: was about what we thought, right? We said it would
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  Speaker 4: be about six or eight carries. They each had six.
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  Speaker 4: But they got off the field by the end of
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  Speaker 4: the game. They weren't on the field at all because
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  Speaker 4: the Seahawks had to throw, and they kept George Alani
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  Speaker 4: in hurry-up mode. So the game plan wasn't for them
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  Speaker 4: to disappear for most of the second half. Charbonnet only
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  Speaker 4: had one carry after halftime, one or two carries after halftime.
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  Speaker 4: So that was not the game plan. But about how many,
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  Speaker 4: the pitch count was about what they thought. They thought
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  Speaker 4: they'd limit them to 10 or fewer carries, and that's
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  Speaker 4: what it ended up being. So if they came out
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  Speaker 4: of it okay, which Price certainly seemed to, but we'll
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  Speaker 4: see about Charbonnet, you would expect those carries to increase
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  Speaker 4: against Arizona. But again, is that enough? It was curious that, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I know Price and Charbonnet came back, and they were focused,
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  Speaker 4: and for the first four drives they were alternating. And
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  Speaker 4: then on the fifth drive, Price stayed in for two
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  Speaker 4: or three drives in a row. Charbonnet didn't play from
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  Speaker 4: the end of the third drive, which began late in
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  Speaker 4: the first quarter, until deep, deep into the third quarter.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't play at all. So the alternating stopped for a time.
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  Speaker 4: And they didn't use Emmanuel Wilson at all. And I
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  Speaker 4: know Wilson is not supposed to be there featured back
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  Speaker 4: when Price and Charbonnet are there, but he just ran
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  Speaker 4: for 100 yards against the Chiefs, and he didn't touch
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  Speaker 4: the ball at all last night. He was in uniform
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  Speaker 4: on the sidelines. but never got a carry. I thought
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  Speaker 4: especially in some early down situations that maybe Wilson would
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  Speaker 4: have had some. When they went two-minute, it was again
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  Speaker 4: George Helani. There were a couple third-down snaps for Charbonnet
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  Speaker 4: that he caught passes on, but it didn't go anywhere
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  Speaker 4: after the catch. He didn't show a lot of explosiveness,
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  Speaker 4: but the Bears didn't let a lot of people explode
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  Speaker 4: on the Seahawks uniform last night.
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  Speaker 5: Two years ago, I don't know that anybody really saw
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  Speaker 5: any signs that Mike McDonald was that frustrated with Ryan Grubb.
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  Speaker 5: It just seemed like everything was fine until what seemed
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  Speaker 5: to be a surprising dismissal. Not trying to take it
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  Speaker 5: to that level. but do you see any signs or
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  Speaker 5: do you sense any signs that Mike McDonald is frustrated
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  Speaker 5: with Brian Flory and how the offense is being coordinated?
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  Speaker 4: I don't see frustration in how it's being coached. I
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  Speaker 4: do see frustration in how it's being executed and what
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  Speaker 4: the results are.
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  Speaker 5: But did you see two years ago frustrations of how
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  Speaker 5: it was being coached?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I sensed it then only in that Grubb just
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  Speaker 4: wasn't running the ball. Now, the season wasn't going as well,
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  Speaker 4: but they still won 10 games. But they didn't even run.
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  Speaker 4: At some games, they didn't even try to run the ball.
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  Speaker 4: They were down in the 30s in the league and
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  Speaker 4: rushing and yards per carry. And then Grubb just said, OK,
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  Speaker 4: we're not going to run. And ultimately, that was his demise,
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  Speaker 4: is that he was calling pass plays no matter what
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  Speaker 4: the situation and down the distance. And Fleury is obviously
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  Speaker 4: not doing that. So it would appear that Fleury is
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  Speaker 4: not committing the sin that could get him fired, which
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  Speaker 4: is don't run the ball. No, he's not running the
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  Speaker 4: ball effectively, which will lose you games, as we can see.
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  Speaker 4: But I get the sentiment. I know the fans and
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  Speaker 4: everybody that are questioning the play calls and seeing the
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  Speaker 4: results on offense. I don't think fundamentally he's at odds
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  Speaker 4: with McDonald as Grubb was.
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  Speaker 2: Appreciate the insight, Greg.
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  Speaker 3: It's always nice having someone who has the boots on
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  Speaker 3: the ground, is there in the locker room. What do
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  Speaker 3: you got coming on your show later today at 10 o'clock?
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  Speaker 4: You're going to hear what I talked about and who
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  Speaker 4: I talked to in the locker room. You'll hear from
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  Speaker 4: Derek Hall. You'll hear from Zach Charbonnet. You'll hear from
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  Speaker 4: Jadarian Price. You'll hear from Quentin Nelson for their reaction
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  Speaker 4: in a very quiet locker room, so you'll be able
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  Speaker 4: to hear the audio very clearly for sure. At 11 o'clock,
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  Speaker 4: we'll talk to Jory Epstein. She's our senior NFL writer
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  Speaker 4: from the Yahoo Sports who joins us every Tuesday. We'll
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  Speaker 4: go around the rest of the league and talk about
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  Speaker 4: what the NFC West looks like, what the NFC in
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  Speaker 4: general looks like now, and how every team in the
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  Speaker 4: NFC North looks like playoff teams right now. The Seahawks
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  Speaker 4: are looking up by a couple games, and everybody else
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  Speaker 4: in the wildcard standings are up. it's gotten to the
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  Speaker 4: point where the Seahawks are now just a game ahead
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  Speaker 4: of last place, Arizona and the NFC West suddenly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Also, I wanted to mention this before we let you go.
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  Speaker 3: Where can we find your written work from people who
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  Speaker 3: want that content?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I appreciate bringing that up. Yeah. 933kjr. com would try
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  Speaker 4: to revamp the website. I mean, I'm making a Seahawks
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  Speaker 4: destination for people to go read my stories and, I
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  Speaker 4: have a couple stories from yesterday, including the roster moves
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  Speaker 4: with Jaron Price, and then the game story of a
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  Speaker 4: ton of analysis and why these happened and what happened
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  Speaker 4: and all of that. It's at 933KGR. com. There's a little
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  Speaker 4: read Greg Bell on the Hawks icon on the left
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  Speaker 4: as well, if it's not on the top that sometimes
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  Speaker 4: iHeart content pushes it down. So thanks for mentioning that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem.
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  Speaker 3: If you want some written work from last night and,
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  Speaker 3: you know, from where– Like I said, Boots on the Ground.
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  Speaker 3: You can hear Greg at 10 o'clock or you can
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  Speaker 3: read his content on the website as well. So however
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  Speaker 3: you like to consume, you can find a way to
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  Speaker 3: get Greg's insights. So thanks so much for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: This morning, Greg. We'll talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. Appreciate it, guys.
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  Speaker 3: Appreciate Greg Bell coming on and talking about Seahawks' loss
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  Speaker 3: on Monday Night Football. We'll get to more with Hugh
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  Speaker 3: Millen as a special four-hour edition of Monday Morning Quarterback continues.
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  Speaker 3: We'll kind of look at it through Sam Darnold's perspective
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  Speaker 3: Monday Morning Quarterback, but it's the nature that it's always
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  Speaker 3: the day after a Seahawks game here on... on Tuesday
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  Speaker 3: morning after a Monday Night Football loss, 34-17 for the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks against the Bears. Chuck in the morning here. Anderson
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  Speaker 3: Hurst filling in for Chuck. He'll be back a little
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  Speaker 3: bit later on this week. I'm joined all four hours
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  Speaker 3: by our chief QB1 head analyst here on KJR, Hugh Millen. Hugh,
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  Speaker 3: let's talk about things from a Sam Darnold perspective. Brian
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Fleury's not the only one getting a lot of criticism
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: after last night's loss. ineffective offensive play. Sam Donald's getting
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of frustrations aimed at him from Seahawks fans.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: How would you evaluate where he's at at this point
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: in 2026 with the offense sputtering?
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  Speaker 5: Are you talking about last night?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Let's talk about last night.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: You're not going to say that he grades out well
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: when you actually watch the tape and you go, play
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: by play. And, and I just look and say, okay,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: if you were in the quarterback meeting room and Sam's
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: accountable guy, tell me the time that Sam Darnold has
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: ever tried to shirk responsibility.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: I can't think of one.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Right. Right. Right.
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: That's just not his nature.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: So I try and put myself in the quarterback meeting room,
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: whether I was his quarterback coach or whether I was
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: sitting there, you know, as his backup. And, what would
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: the conversation be like? Because Sam Darnold would earnestly, you know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: try and absorb any coaching, right? He's a coachable guy.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: And he'd say, look, tell me what I should do
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: differently on the play. And then when you actually go
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: through and you say, what is there? There's not as
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: much there as maybe some people think. And I think
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: that From what I've gathered, some people are upset with
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: his body. When he's in the pocket, the way his legs,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: he cuts. kind of projects a little bit of a
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: frantic air at times. Is that, is that a fair description? Christopher,
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you've, you've had that impression, but,
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: but that's something that I get from people. And, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: then you say, okay, what, what exactly does that mean?
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Your, your feet are pumping really fast. Well, Peyton Manning, nobody,
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: nobody looked more agitated in the pocket and, and jittery
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: than Peyton Manning. He was pumping those feet and, and looking,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: he never looked comfortable.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Even when, right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: You know, some people, not everybody is just this smooth,
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: you know, Joe Montana, everything is just like Aaron Rogers.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: It's just easy going, you know? Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Cam war, you know, like, like, Like when I'm thinking
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: of relaxed quarterbacks, that's not everybody's style. Now, if there
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: is a correlation to, okay, you're chopping your feet and
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: that's when you're making bad decisions and you're rushing or
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: what have you, or you're not comfortable, then you've got
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: something there. But in and of itself, it might not
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: be aesthetically pleasing my favorite style of quarterbacking.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: But I'm not going to hold it against a guy.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: If he's, if, if that's, if that's how he stays
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: in the ready position to throw, you know, I look
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: and say, Hey, does the, does the play require movement?
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: You know, get back in the, in the passing position.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: If it requires movement, can you stay in the passing position,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: which is your hips perpendicular to the line of scrimmage?
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: And you, can you slide and, and, and just move
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: one or two steps or are you moving too much? Yeah,
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: there's a little bit of that for sure. He had
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: a play, a levels concept. Here I referenced Peyton Manning.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison probably had 3,000 yards in his career on
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: one play called levels, and they ran a version of
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: levels where they had JSN on a deep end. It
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: was against a cover two defense. The curl defender, which
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: is one inside of the flat defender, If he falls
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: inside the deep end by JSN, then the ball goes
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: out to what's called the fin route, the five-yard in
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: route to cup.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: And so he missed that. So I've got a minus
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: for Sam. Hey, on levels concept, you know, don't take
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: your eyes– and he ended up throwing to– In the
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: flat for two yards, I think he hit the check down,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: but he moved unnecessarily. He probably got seven or eight
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: yards had he thrown it correctly. He had a play.
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: We talked about why stick. You know, you look at
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: the 49ers playbook. The stick is five to six yards,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: and the branch route is nine to ten yards. So
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: it's just a deep stick.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: And Brian Flory, of course, came from there. So so
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: they had a branch. It's just a deep stick concept.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: This is a real basically of the tight end on
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: an out route, the slot on an out route. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: and and then the outside guy in a go. And
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: I thought that there was an opportunity. I thought his
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: eyes came off of that where he could have had
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: Barner on about a nine yard completion. But his eyes
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: came off. I give him a minus if I was
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: grading him. And by the way, where his eyes then went,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: where he had Cooper Cup on a backside dig route,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: in route, I'm telling you, the Cooper Cup, God bless him,
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: I want to root for Cooper Cup in the worst way.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: I think he's obviously going back to 2021. He did
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: things that no receiver's ever done. Look it up, about
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: 2,500 yards receiving in playoffs and regular season. It's by
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: far the most in the history of the NFL. He's
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: a humble guy. He's a good dude, smart as hell.
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: He's a local guy. There's 20 reasons I want to
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: root for a Cooper Cup. But you look at the
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: tape and even safeties are just squatting on him. What
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: does squat mean? They're not concerned about him running through.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: And so they sit on all the intermediate stuff. And
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: when they play man-to-man games, They just ride him, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: he just can't get the separation. So whether it's zone
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: or whether it's man– It's just a tough ask for
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the quarterback because he comes back to the backside and
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: the safety is ready to rob it. He's totally– he's
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: wearing concrete boots. He's pitching a tent. These are all terms.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: And so that's feeding into part of the problem. So
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: in any event– and there's other minuses. I think that
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: he moved off of– of some potential completions of a
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: couple of times, but it's not a, a, you know,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: a rampant. It's not like you throw on like Mike
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: McDonald when he watches that tape. And I chose Mike
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: McDonald because he's the defensive guy, right? But he's going
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: to look at the offensive tape and he's going to say,
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: all right, I want to assess my quarterback. And then
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: he's going to know enough about ball. Obviously he's going
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: to look and say, well, really what, what is there?
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: What's on the tape as, as Sam Donald say, okay, um,
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: if you, tell me how to quarterback better.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: And, and there's just, you know, there's not a lot there.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: That's why I think there's, there's more right now for
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: last night. There's more of Brian Flory problem for me
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: than Sam. Okay.
• 25:41
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• 25:43
  Speaker 3: of minutes left to me as a novice watcher, I'm not,
• 25:47
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• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 25:50
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• 25:53
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• 27:09
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• 27:44
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• 27:47
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• 27:49
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• 27:54
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• 27:57
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• 27:59
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• 28:03
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• 28:04
  Speaker 3: A couple days of vacation. We got Hugh Millen with
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: us for all four hours today after a Seahawks loss
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: 34-17 against the Bears. And Hugh, as I was going
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: to get to last segment before we had to get
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: to fact or fiction there. Two part question here regarding
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Sam Donald and the offense to me as a novice,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: non all 22 film watcher last night when I was
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: watching the game, it looked like Sam Donald just was
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: waiting for something to be open a lot for the
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: light to be green, as you like to say. And
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: it just didn't seem like that was the case. Is
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: that a fair assumption to make after you watch the
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: film here on a Tuesday morning?
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Well, that happened on a couple of occasions. That's what
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: I was trying to say in the last segment. Yeah,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: there were a couple, but I, I don't think that
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: it was as many as you think, you know, you
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: just look and say, okay. Um, you know, you can
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: look at a concept and you say, all right, you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: the reads and, and, and what the progression would be.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: And if guys aren't open, guys aren't open. That's, that's, uh,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: and you know, and part of the, part of it
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: can be, you know, we we've talked about on this
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: morning that the spacing, uh, has, has been a problem.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: In terms of receivers being stacked on each other. That
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: happened three or four times. And then the other part
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: of it is the Bears had the three or four
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: extra days. And I don't think I've ever said it
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: in the Mike McDonald tenure, but it's the first time
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: I had the impression watching the tape that the Bears,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: you know, out Seahawk, the Seahawks.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Because their defense really looked a lot like Seattle. And,
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: and I've, I haven't had that impression since Mike McDonald's
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: been here. Uh, Dennis Allen's been, you know, he's kind
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: of been an up and down guy. He's been a
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: head coach twice. Um, the, the defense coordinator for the bears, uh,
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: I should count how many teams he's been a coordinator for,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: but he's been around for a long time. And people
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: thought enough of him that he was twice a head coach,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: even though that didn't work out. You know, he had
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: one of his better days. And the Bears really, when
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: they played zone, they played more man-to-man than Seattle plays.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: And when they did that, they gloved up. And I
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: thought Seattle did a poor job of responding to that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Where's the bunch rubs? Where's the stacked rubs? Where's the
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: shallow crosses and the meshes to try and help the
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: receivers get open? Because they were getting grabbed and, you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: just to, you know, there wasn't a, you know, bare
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: defenders could just say, line up and say, yep, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: got him and not have to worry about, you know, what,
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: what level they were at, uh, and, and how to
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: sift through the, the, the, uh, the, uh, the stack
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: formations and what have you and how to, to, um, Oh,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Oh crap. He's on a shallow crossing. We just got
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: to rub and try and get over the top of
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: a rub, all those things that, that you see that
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: can be effective. I didn't see much if any of that. So,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: so Darnold has his minuses. There's not a lot. Um,
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: you know, there, there, there's a fair amount of pluses.
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: You know, a few pluses, I'd say. I don't want
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: to overstate it. I don't think he had a good game.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: But I don't think he had as bad a game
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: as maybe some would think.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Well, what about the running game as we stick with
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: the offense here? Because we talked all week about Charvin
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and Price coming back and Quentin Nelson. Obviously, it should
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: be an obvious upgrade in that aspect of the game.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: But 81 yards on 19 carries? That just doesn't seem
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: like it's good enough.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: No.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: I mean....
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: You know, the consistency of it, they didn't get any
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: big plays. And, you know, yeah, you need more. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: think Quentin Nelson blocked well in the run game.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Probably better in the run game than he was in
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: the pass game. But it seemed like the front seven
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: for the Bears, and that's another reason why I say
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: the Bears out Seahawks to Seahawks there was, there was
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of penetration there. And, uh, you know, when
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: they tried to run wide, I mean, the one time
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: they got a nice stretch, you look and you say, um, the,
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: the outside linebacker for the bears just took a bad
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: angle to the inside inexplicably. And, uh, you know, Seattle
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: got eight, nine yards out of there with price. And, but,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: but it was tough sledding. They were coming off blocks.
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: They were moving, um, that, that Jeffrey Simmons is a
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: freaking problem for everybody. And, uh, and, and as far
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: as the, the running plays, uh, you know, you, you
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: run poor Jadarian price, you know, he, he, he, uh,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: they run the, the dual plays that the inside plays and, and,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: you know, there's just nothing there.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Um, and so, you know, they, they had a counter
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: for four yards that was kind of nifty. They face
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: fake the toss and then, and then came back on
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: a counter, but, I don't know. It wasn't very well
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: blocked at all. I thought Charbonnet's vision was pretty good.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: He found some holes that I think were kind of
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: hard to find on a couple of occasions, but he's
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: limited in what he can do even when he's healthy
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: and assuming even if he was last year's version. I
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: didn't see a big drop-off physically. I thought he looked good.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: I think Seahawks have managed that well, but, but he's
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: just kind of a number two running back. So you
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: need more juice out of price. And, and right now
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: they're kind of stuck in peanut butter.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Well, just in general, as we kind of, you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: put the, put a bow in the offensive conversation before
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: we get to Jean next segment, is this a, is
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: this a scheming issue? Is this a talent issue or
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: is this an execution issue?
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: If you were to kind of number a number two receiver.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: I think that they're definitely missing that.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Um, the backs, uh, are, are okay. You know, I mean, we'll,
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: we'll see, we're still kind of learning about price. So, uh,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: you know, I, my opinion kind of, kind of goes
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: up and down, you know, there's not a lot of
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: data with him. I, I, I didn't think on that
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: reverse that there was a lot of bursts there, you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: that was the receipt she, he play had he been
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: in there. Um, but I, I know he has pretty
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: good burst, uh, you know, on the stretch play. So yeah, I, I,
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: I think that, that to me, it's, it's, they, they
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: got to block better, get a block better. They got
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: to throw better and they got to coordinate better.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: All three, I guess that's the answer to that question.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: So I can't, I mean, if you had to put
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: it on one, the problems of the offense on one facet,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: do you see anything? That's the one facet. I don't know. No,
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I see the, I see a lot of problems everywhere.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's concerning.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: It's concerning after the Seahawks fought a 4-4 after a
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: 34-17 loss against the Chicago Bears on Monday Night Football.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: That game wasn't without some refereeing questions. We'll talk to
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Gene Steratore about some of those and more coming up
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: next here on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.