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Paradox Introductions: Three Doctors, One Wild Ride · Paradox Podcast

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  Foreign.
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  Welcome. Welcome to the Paradox
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  podcast where there are more than a pair of dogs.
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  In fact, this podcast features three different doctors.
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  Dr. Deborah Brazile, Dr. Vince Johnson
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  Jr. And me, Dr. Deborah Woodson.
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  In this journey, we will examine spiritual concepts
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  that appear to be self contradictory,
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  but actually they uncover deeper
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  underlying truths. This means that many
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  topics are on the table. So buckle
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  your seat belts, put your tray table and your seats in the
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  upright position because this ride can get a
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  little bumpy as it may challenge your current intuitions.
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  For the more you know, the more you realize your knowledge
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  is limited. There is a whole world of knowledge waiting
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  for you to discover.
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  Foreign.
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  Welcome to the Prisoners of Hope podcast and I am
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  your friendly conductor, Dr. Deborah Woodson.
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  And I have a huge surprise for you. Today.
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  I'm introducing a new podcast called Paradox.
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  And you know what the word paradox means, right? But this has double
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  meaning. We. I have two other partners. Okay,
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  pair. It is not a pair. So it's, it's contradictory.
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  So we started paradoxing already. It's not a pair. It's three
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  of us. And we all are doctors. So Paradox.
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  And you. You, You. Yes, you, you.
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  You. You get to be a fly on the wall as you listen
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  to us discuss topics. Some of the topics about
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  to get a little hot. Just pour some. I got some Dr. Pepper. Just pour
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  some Dr. Pepper down your chest if that's what you need. But we are going
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  to be discussing some interesting topics as we move through.
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  The first thing we're going to do is introduce each of my partners.
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  I'm going to introduce myself. You know, I'm Deborah Woodson, Dr.
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  Whitson, and I'll tell you a little bit about myself and so will my partners.
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  I was born at an early age,
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  and now I'm 26 years old.
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  I have two sons. One is 31.
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  Don't ask me how I did that trick. It was magic. And one is 25
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  years old. I'm what you call a military sweetheart.
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  I don't want to say brat, because I'm not a brat. Not all the time,
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  sometimes, but I'm not a brat. And I lived. I was raised in and
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  out of the country, many countries,
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  United States and Europe, mostly Europe.
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  Japan one time, but mostly Europe. And I,
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  during my time, it was a song. I don't know if
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  I've dated myself a little older than 26. It was,
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  you know, it's your thing. Do what you want to do.
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  And I told my mother, I'm going to have a thing and I'm going to
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  find Myself. People were finding themselves. Psychedelic shack,
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  that's where it's at. We were finding ourselves back then.
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  My mother said, you're going to find yourself right into college.
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  And when I moved back to the United States, there was an incident. Maybe one
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  day, I'll tell you where. I was kind of asked
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  to leave a school, and they let me go to college. Tell you what happened
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  some other time. And I went to College at age 15,
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  San Diego State. Would you send a girl away at
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  15, near San Diego State?
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  Boy, the frats got to know me.
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  We had a good time at San Diego State.
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  I did graduate because I'm a taskmaster. I love
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  to work out, so I'm a taskmaster. So I graduated in
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  three years from San Diego State, went on,
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  got my master's PhD, got my PhD by 21
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  from Arizona State. For 50 years,
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  I was a college professor teaching in international
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  business and marketing. That's a lot of math. So we
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  called it the IBM department. My specialty.
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  I have a PhD in psychology and consumer psychology.
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  So it's kind of like applied business psychology. My psychologist
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  friends call me a trader, okay? But that's what
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  I did. I taught businesses how to direct messages toward consumers.
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  I taught a lot of international because I lived it, you know,
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  I lived in all the different countries. It was very, very,
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  very interesting. Like I said,
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  I have two sibling kids,
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  one sister. So we're very small family. So if you'd like to join
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  my family, send me email. You can join and let
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  me see what else. I have published a book.
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  It's called the Accidents question Mark.
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  A Discovery of a Journey with the Holy
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  Spirit. It wasn't until my
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  second son got in, he was shot. And we go,
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  we'll talk about that book a little later. And by a kid,
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  people like, was he in the ghetto? Yeah. No, he wasn't
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  in the ghetto. He don't even know how. They don't even know how to spell
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  ghetto, but they've never lived in the ghetto. So it was a
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  very elite school and a kid playing with his daddy gun. So.
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  And at that time, I found out who it went
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  from the head to the heart, who the Holy Spirit really is
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  at that point. Because I could quote, well, I have to leave you.
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  So the advocate, you know, the counselor,
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  the Holy Spirit will come. I even can quote the verse, but I didn't
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  know what it was in my heart. And people say, well,
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  I discovered that when I was a kid. Well, I was the ripe age of
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  26 and a half,
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  10 years ago when I discovered who the
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  Holy Spirit is. You know, it's real
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  interesting. I learned that people everywhere have the
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  same dreams. They want a place that's safe to live.
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  They want. They want friends to care
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  for them. They want a
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  dream. And you know what? And they need God.
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  And most of them don't have God. They have.
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  They. They have a big hole in their heart. That's what I've learned. It doesn't
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  matter what culture I lived in. I and learned that.
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  So I. The problem with telling a
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  lie, I could have lied, fudged on my age, just maybe a couple years.
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  The problem, tell the lie is that when I go to the doctor, I have
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  to get a pen and pencil and subtract, you know, my date,
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  birth from the current day to remember all of my health.
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  That's the problem with a lie. You begin to believe it
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  if you tell it enough. Yeah.
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  So that is a little bit about who I am,
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  and I hope you enjoy that. The next I'm going to introduce is Deborah
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  Brazil. Now, people say what? You're Deborah.
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  She's Deborah. Yeah. We're called DND Dynamite.
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  We're the D and D. Okay. And we're going to introduce
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  the voice. Very D and D, Very dynamite. In a
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  minute. So Deborah Brazell, Dr. Brazile is going to tell you about her
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  background. So, hi, everybody.
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  I'm just really honored to be part of this podcast. I think that everybody
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  who's listening, you're just going to be in for so many surprises and so many
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  faith journeys and, and, and like Deborah said,
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  there's no topic that is off the table. And we like controversy
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  and we like paradox. So tune in.
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  I'm going to tell. I'm going to go way back to my childhood,
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  because I really agree with Freud that
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  your childhood sets you up for certain challenges
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  in life. And I was born in Tuscaloosa,
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  Alabama, the deep South. And I was a preacher's
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  kid, Southern Baptist preacher's kid.
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  So now, as Deborah vets know,
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  I turned out relatively normal because
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  my dad understood grace. He had to.
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  You know, he was not a hellfire and brimstone preacher.
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  I never heard him yell in the pulpit. I never heard him, you know,
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  get upset like that. So this very different kind
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  of man. I love the outdoors.
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  I was a calm girl. So we had some land. We were
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  actually in the city, not in a rural area, but everybody
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  had a very deep plot, and we had creeks and
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  we had vines to swing on, and I just loved it because
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  I had that adventurous spirit. But that came
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  a little bit later, because before I was age
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  5, I had. I got sick
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  a lot. And mom couldn't really figure it out. My doctor finally
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  said, well, you have allergies, and so everybody's, well, so what?
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  You know, seasonal allergies. But it wasn't like that.
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  I was like the kid in the bubble. So it's not really
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  too much of a stretch to say that I lived this childhood
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  of deprivation. Our house was
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  barren, literally. We had no
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  carpets, we had nothing on the wall. Everything would collect dust.
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  And the doctor was clear about it. He said, you've got to get rid of
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  that. My dad was raising beagles. They were gone. And then
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  when I went over to other people's houses when I was younger,
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  I would get sick just because they had a normal house, you know,
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  I mean, it wasn't cluttered. It was a normal house. And so
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  I had this bad case of FOMO before we even knew what
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  that was. Birthday parties and spend
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  the night parties and just going outside and playing was
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  a real struggle. And me with
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  my spirit, I just wanted to be out there. And there are certain times of
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  the year when, oh, the pollen is too bad, it's too cold, you can't do
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  this, it's raining, you're good. I mean, it. The way it impacted
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  me is it made me feel very fragile and
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  like I would break. And I really rebelled against
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  that. I hated that. I wanted to get
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  strong and that became kind of a journey
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  for me. So the ramifications of that, there's two that are
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  really profound. One is that I have
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  health concerns to this day. And what I mean by that is
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  it's like, you know, you've heard of food noise. This is like
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  health noise or, you know, health anxiety.
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  I mean, I'm sure there's some kind of diagnosis for it. I'm not
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  like, you know, the person that thinks that she's sick all the time, but if
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  I get a fever, then I get worried about it. If I have a bad
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  test result, then I'm already in the grave, you know, and it's,
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  it's, it's funny because wounds that start in
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  childhood, you can pray about it and sometimes God delivers
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  you, but sometimes it just, it, it hangs
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  on. And I remember thinking that I
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  could get rid of that, you know, then I could do better and I could
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  sort of like, not only pray, but sort of self help my way out of
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  it. And now I figured out that, you know, I can't.
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  And if God wants to deliver me from it, he can.
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  But I still, you Know, I have that fear, that sort of anxiety.
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  Good, in a way, because I got super fit.
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  And this is what Deborah. This is another thing Deborah and
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  I haven't. Like, our lives parallel each other in some ways.
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  And I was running and cycling and
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  at one time had a resting pulse of 38 when
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  I was very young. But it was sort of ridiculous because
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  I was so driven almost to the point of hurting
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  myself, because I just wanted to be fit.
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  Another good thing. And that's, you know, that's good and bad,
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  but. And probably this is good and bad, too. Really, what you think about
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  it is that I pursued my education and
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  I really got into grades and academics. And,
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  you know, I. If I got below an A on a test, it was
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  like the world was coming to an end. I mean, I'm not kidding.
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  I ended up being my six. Older than Deborah, but still
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  pretty young. And part of
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  it, you know, it was the discipline that I was taught.
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  Because I got sick quite often in my
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  elementary school years. Forget kindergarten. I barely went.
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  I loved it, but I barely went because I was just sick.
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  So my mom would go up to the school and bring home all the
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  material and teach me. And she was a professor at Alabama in Foods and Nutrition
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  for years, so she was able to teach. And then
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  I had to learn when I was sick and I
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  had to perform. I didn't feel like it. So I
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  just feel really indebted that mom did that for me because I would have been
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  way behind. Instead, I ended up being ahead. And that's just the way, you know,
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  God can turn something that's terrible, it's not
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  a fun childhood, into something that's
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  a. That's a positive. So, you know, what the enemy means for evil.
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  God means for good. And, you know, God turns things.
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  He's. He's good in all things. And there's a silver lining.
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  Romans 8, 28. Roughly paraphrased.
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  But I. I had my undergrad in psychology, and then
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  my PhD is in business. And I just,
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  you know, I. I was able to be independent.
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  And that was real important to me because I never.
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  Not dissing you guys out there, okay? But I just didn't want to be dependent
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  on a man to buy
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  me things and give me things. So there's that independent sort of
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  street there, too. And so there's
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  always that silver lining. I told Deborah I was driving
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  home for getting my allergy shots the other day, and I'm like, here I go
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  again. You know, these stupid shots produce a decade. And I
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  thought, well, wait a Minute. This has given me discipline and
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  consistency and that's, you know,
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  that's a gift. Not many people have it and it,
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  it drives you and motivates you.
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  So that's my big ticket item. I have others. We'll save them for
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  another day.
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  And I think that Vince is up next.
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  Yeah. Our other Dr.
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  Vince. Next, I'm going to introduce Dr.
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  Vince Johnson. And he's
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  become like my little brother. And if you listen to Prisoners of Hope,
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  he is the music genius behind that.
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  He's just awesome. So I'm just so awesome. And I
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  have my dress for the Oscars ready.
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  Okay.
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  I'm diligently working on that. Dr.
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  Vince, thank you. You know, first of all,
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  I want to thank both of you guys because it's such a pleasure to be
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  here with both of you and I really respect both people quite
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  a bit. So just to jump in, I guess, into a little bit
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  of me, I was born at the ripe old age 58.
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  Right. You know, when I was born
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  here In Denver, Colorado, 1967, my aunt said
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  I was born with an old soul. I was that child
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  that always asked the really embarrassing questions,
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  right, that you're not supposed to talk about and you know,
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  shut up, boy, but why are you asking? You know, and that was me.
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  I was very curious, Always very curious. I, I do very
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  much consider myself to be a messenger. I get downloads
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  from God, which we'll talk about more.
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  I was, I was raised in the Zion Baptist Church. You know, good old church
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  with the white gloves and come in singing,
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  right. The choir and, and the,
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  and the choir director with a wig, like off to the side a little
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  That's where I was raised. That's how I was raised. And, and my
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  household was very interesting. It was quite the opposite of church,
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  right. So that there was, there was alcoholism and a lot of smoking
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  and some James Brown and all that kind of stuff going on.
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  I, I, I, I have
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  to, I have to explain my
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  life, which we'll get into. Lessons in life were taught to
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  me through music, very much so. And so
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  being an only child, music ended up being my only friend, right?
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  And so that was the consistent in my life,
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  you know, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. There was the three. And I talk
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  about it and I was blessed to have a book that I released as well
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  for men's mental health. It went number one on Amazon,
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  still is at the moment. Three, three different categories. Five countries.
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  Yay. Right? And, but I, you know, I,
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  my, my life very interesting. I always kind of, I, I,
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  I, I Parallel my life with, like, the Forrest Gump of
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  the ghetto, right? I just. I, you know, I stumbled
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  backdoored into a bunch of stuff that I had no idea that I was
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  really good at, which one of those things was working with young people.
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  5,442, probably a couple more
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  youth now to date here in Denver, Colorado. Fifth generation
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  here in Denver as well. So my
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  family was very foundational in the development of a lot of things
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  here, politically and with real estate here in Denver, Colorado.
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  So I was very fortunate to have that mentorship and to see that
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  growing up, you know, I grew up with the uncles that all wore suits and
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  ties and, you know, I mean, that was just how they. That was just how
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  they. They moved and. And whatnot. So then.
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  And then leaving Denver, Colorado, at a young
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  age, and I was very fortunate to. To go to a group called Up
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  With People and at. At 16 years old, I. I found myself.
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  I was in China and went to China, Japan,
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  Mexico, all the states of the United States, Hawaii.
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  I was very fortunate at 16 years old. I got to see a lot.
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  I got to see a lot at a very young age. And so by the
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  time I got to college, which was Berkeley College of Music, by the
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  time I got to college, I had had more experience than most of my colleagues.
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  And so college, to me was.
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  It was a different type of a challenge, but I had so much experience.
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  I. I was a little more mature than
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  some other. My other students that I was in school with.
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  You throw mattresses out windows and, you know, partying on men
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  in class with a hangover. And the teacher was like, good, you're gonna have to
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  do this whether you're drunk or sober. So, you know, we learned a lot of
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  lessons. And. And then from there,
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  I was very fortunate to. I was first
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  African American to work for the very first music software company in the world.
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  And that was exciting for me. I think I was 19 years old
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  when I was doing that in Boston, Massachusetts,
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  cutting my teeth and playing with some of the. Some of the top musicians
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  in the world. You know, I got the chance to play with Layla
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  Hathaway in music groups and White Hardgrove.
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  You know, I was given some small awards for
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  scholarships. And I was also had the other. The very other side of that parallel,
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  which I was laughed off stage a couple of times because we were playing
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  some bebop jazz, and I was in a completely different key, right?
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  And everybody stops, and they look at me and go, what are you doing?
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  We're in Gary. Like, I'm in B flat. I thought we were in B flat.
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  Like, no, no. Right.
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  And so. And just, you know, the. This is
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  another thing just to talk about that just a little bit. The curse of,
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  of I won't. My blessing is my
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  curse. So. And when I was in school,
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  music school,
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  ear training was very difficult for me and I had to
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  work really, really hard. And I didn't know why I had to work so,
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  so much harder than everybody else. Well, you know, I fast forward and I may
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  go back and forth a little bit, but I fast forward many, many years later,
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  I got really sick and went to the doctor, and doctor looks at
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  my ears. I had a double ear infection, sinus infection, I had a pneumonia.
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  I was really, really sick. Which takes me to a whole nother thing with developing
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  the patent. But at that time, she looks at my ears and she goes,
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  oh, my goodness, you have different ear canals. Most people's ear canals go, go in.
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  Where's my camera? They go in and they go straight down. She said, well,
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  your, your ear canals go in and they curve around.
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  Well, by the time I found that out, I was 35, 36 years
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  old. You know, I went all this time and I
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  just thought maybe I just, just couldn't get it. But I actually have different
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  ears, right? So there are things that
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  I am audible, sentient. I get, I think that's the word audible,
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  audio, audible, sentient. I do hear the
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  things of God. And God,
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  I've heard audible. I've heard him audibly. Some people can see auras
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  and see angels, and I can't see all that kind of stuff. I'm back.
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  My prescriptions are double prescription, so.
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  But I do hear, I do hear God.
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  And you know,
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  throughout my life. And we'll talk about it. Throughout my
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  life, I've gone through some very sequence
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  of unfortunate events,
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  right? So, so. But those, those events
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  are the things that were the catalyst that propelled
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  me into either developing a patent
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  that is hopefully soon going to market that I just received a patent on,
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  that increases healing by 40%, or being able to
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  hear the trueness of a heart of a young person,
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  that their words and their face are saying one thing, but their heart
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  is saying something different. And I can see through that.
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  I can hear through that. And so that's those blessings
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  that because of my pain, because of the things that, you know, of course we
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  all go through, that gives us that experience. Experience is a really,
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  really good teacher. So it's really important thing to have. And here's
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  the thing that I learned. You don't always have to get experience by pain.
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  You can get by looking at other people and going, people will go, oh,
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  I'm not gonna jump off that cliff.
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  At the end of that cliff, somebody dies. Right. So,
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  you know, experience has always been a good teacher for me too
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  as well. So all that to say I am,
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  I do have an honorary doctorate degree from all the things that I just mentioned
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  from here in Denver, Colorado.
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  And I was very surprised to get it. It was something
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  that I do feel like I manifested in addition to the violin that,
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  the black violin that you see back here on my wall,
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  maybe a couple months before I, I, I got the honorary
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  doctorate, I manifested that violin as well. And so
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  all that being said, there's so much that we are excited to
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  talk about. I'm glad to be here with you guys. We're going to have so
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  much fun and I'm sure we're going to be challenging our listeners
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  and growing with one another. I'm really excited to see
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  what comes of this. So here we go.
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  Well, thank you, both of you. And Deborah, you could ask Vince
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  how he got his name because he has his name.
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  We're like, how do, she's like, how do you get your name down there?
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  I'm like, I'm gonna cut all this out. So. But I, I do wanna tease
• 26:39
  the next show, the next show is going to be a
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  very personal show to me and perhaps to my other
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  two partners because we tend to look
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  over things that we have, you know, we, we, we, you know, you don't,
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  you don't know that you use your thumb until you cut it,
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  you know. So the name of the next
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  show is Where's My Belly Button? So tune
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  in next time and be a student. That's. Tune in.
• 27:14
  Tune in and listen to Where's My Belly Button?
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  God bless. Bye bye. Bye bye.
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  No, so that, yeah, so that.
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  Hopefully the preceding conversations inspired you to think
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  deeper about your current beliefs. Tune in next time as we'll continue our
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  journey through your self contradictory thoughts. God bless everybody.