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10-16 H3 Monday Morning QB w/ Hugh Millen · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: As part of our nonstop coverage of the NFL, your
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  Speaker 1: Morning's Monday Morning Quarterback with Hugh Millen. Brought to you
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  Speaker 1: It's the MMQB on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Terrific morning to you all.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Football Friday to you all. I know.
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  Speaker 3: Not in a good mood. That was a game the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks should have won last night against the Denver Broncos.
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  Speaker 3: They end up losing it by a final score of
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  Speaker 3: 17-14 in overtime on Thursday night football.
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  Speaker 2: And we have a lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: We've already been discussing it for two hours and been
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  Speaker 3: disgusted with.
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  Speaker 2: It for two hours.
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  Speaker 3: And so now we start the portion of our show
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  Speaker 3: where we bring in our QB1, Hugh Millen, to break
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  Speaker 3: it all down for us.
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  Speaker 2: On the radio show. Good morning, Hugh. Good morning, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, usually I blank canvas this thing for you at
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  Speaker 3: the beginning. I just say I don't want to pick
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  Speaker 3: where you want to go, what topic is freshest and
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  Speaker 3: first on your mind. But in this particular case, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think there's any doubt. I mean, it's got to
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  Speaker 3: be about Sam Darnold and the two interceptions.
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  Speaker 2: Late in the game. So maybe I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not reading the room correctly, but I'm guessing
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  Speaker 3: that's where you want to start today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's, that's where I would start because I think
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  Speaker 2: that's where everybody's talking about. That's where the frustration is. And, um,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe we'll go, uh, work backwards. Uh, the,
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  Speaker 2: the last interception, there's just, there's no explain. I've looked
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  Speaker 2: at this. I've looked at the tape. I've looked at
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  Speaker 2: the end zone copy. Um, it's inexplicable. It's very poor
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacking balls on the right hash. You have, uh, three
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  Speaker 2: receivers to the left, to the field. Uh, excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos are playing, uh, A zone, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: had shown a six-up look, but they back out, and
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  Speaker 2: they're playing a zone with four over three to the
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  Speaker 2: strong side, which is kind of like a box. It
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  Speaker 2: looks like a square. And they're playing a cone of
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  Speaker 2: three over two, a triangle concept to the weak side
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  Speaker 2: where there's a tight end, so there's no speed on
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  Speaker 2: the backside. And in looking at the end zone copy,
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  Speaker 2: I think that Darnold, he's looking down the middle of
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  Speaker 2: the field, I'm not in his head. I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to make any, uh, definitive, uh, statement about what he
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  Speaker 2: was thinking, but it is possible that, that he, in
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  Speaker 2: an effort to not stare down his receiver, he, uh,
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  Speaker 2: he looked at the, the, uh, number 22, uh, the
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  Speaker 2: safety going to the middle of the field, that would
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  Speaker 2: be Brandon Jones. Um, and he, he might've thought it
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  Speaker 2: was a single high defense, uh, in any event, you know, he,
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  Speaker 2: he goes over and he, As Mike McDonald said, a
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  Speaker 2: hole shot, just so we understand, he used the term
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  Speaker 2: hole shot. It's a term we all use as quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 2: A hole shot is when there is a cloud corner.
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  Speaker 2: These elements have to be. You're throwing to the wide
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  Speaker 2: receiver on a go route, but the coverage is such
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  Speaker 2: that the corner has the flat and there's a safety
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  Speaker 2: to that side. Okay, so all of those elements, each
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  Speaker 2: and every one of those elements. And you call it
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  Speaker 2: a hole shot because you have to drive the ball
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  Speaker 2: to the side of the safety with as much velocity
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  Speaker 2: as you can. But depending on how much, and the
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  Speaker 2: term is sink, depending on how much the cornerback sinks,
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  Speaker 2: that means get depth, even though he has the flat,
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  Speaker 2: there's a responsibility there. Um, then you have to throw
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  Speaker 2: it over the corner, but you have to drive it, uh, with,
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  Speaker 2: with anticipation and velocity to the side. And he, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Donald takes a cheat step with his left foot on
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  Speaker 2: his drop, which is okay. A lot of quarterbacks do that,
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  Speaker 2: but it ends up being, uh, uh, really a three-step
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  Speaker 2: drop up with that cheat step. It's four steps plus
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  Speaker 2: the hitch you're throwing far shoulder. It's just way late. Um,
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  Speaker 2: the safety is going to come up was it's under thrown.
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  Speaker 2: So the timing's poor. The, the read is poor. The, um, the,
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  Speaker 2: the place, the ball placement is poor and it's an,
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  Speaker 2: it's an easy interception. Now it's, it's third and seven
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  Speaker 2: on the play, uh, from your own 28 yard line,
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  Speaker 2: seven 17 left to go in overtime. So you, you punt,
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  Speaker 2: you're probably going to get the ball back. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so, um, you know, it's a flood concept and, and, and, uh, she,
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  Speaker 2: he took the outside release.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got cup in the flat. You're trying to get, uh,
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  Speaker 2: so a flood means deep intermediate and short to the sideline. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So the, she, he's the deep guy. You got, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: JSN doing with the sale route of the corner out.
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  Speaker 2: He'd be the intermediate outbreaking route. Cup would be the
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  Speaker 2: shallow outbreaking route. It's a flood concept. And it's a,
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  Speaker 2: relatively basic defense the Broncos had done it but I
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  Speaker 2: think Darnold there's no explaining that other than he misread
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  Speaker 2: the coverage and again I would only theorize it's possible
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  Speaker 2: that he's staring down the middle of the field he
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  Speaker 2: thinks he's got single high defense which would put the
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  Speaker 2: corner on the deep route with Shahid and he thinks
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  Speaker 2: he can load it up and get the strike up
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  Speaker 2: the sideline just didn't see the safety.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that makes me feel good because I thought I
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  Speaker 3: saw everything that you described, but I, yeah, yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: do kind of hold, did he just not see the
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  Speaker 3: safety or everything that you detailed? That's what I saw.
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  Speaker 3: So that's, that's your feeling that he did see the safety.
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  Speaker 3: He just didn't make a timely accurate or strong throw
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  Speaker 3: in that moment.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think he may have seen the other safety.
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  Speaker 2: Not the safety. He threw the interception to McMillan, 29.
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  Speaker 2: There's a safety that was in the middle of the
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  Speaker 2: field that he was favoring. A term is called poaching.
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  Speaker 2: He was kind of poaching to the three-receiver side named
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Jones. And it's possible that at Darnold, he got
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  Speaker 2: the cue from that safety that he might've thought, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's a post safety. And if that's a post safety,
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  Speaker 2: then darn, then Shahid would have one-on-one. So I think
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  Speaker 2: he may have misread the coverage because, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: we can do is make an inference to the best explanation.
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  Speaker 2: We can't prove anything until Darnold, you know, if, and
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  Speaker 2: when Darnold says why he made the mistake. But I
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  Speaker 2: can take an ensemble of facts and I can say, okay,
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  Speaker 2: what is the theory that best fits all of those facts?
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  Speaker 2: And again, I'm not going to die on the beach
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  Speaker 2: on this one, but I think that it's possible. I
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  Speaker 2: see him staring down the middle of the field. I
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  Speaker 2: see 22 going to the middle field. And in part,
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  Speaker 2: he's supposed to be the, the top of the triangle
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  Speaker 2: on a, on a three over two on the weak side,
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  Speaker 2: but he's poaching to the, to the field side because
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't have speed to the boundary because it's tight in.
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  Speaker 2: I know I'm getting a little XE and OE in here,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just trying to go, okay, what are you
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  Speaker 2: processing 14? What are you? And, and now there had
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  Speaker 2: been a short motion with cup, which backed off McMillan and,
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  Speaker 2: And so, so the, the original read at the line
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  Speaker 2: of scrimmage was McMillan was up near the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 2: the guy who ultimately had deep responsibility. But in the end,
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  Speaker 2: if you just reverse engineer, you'd say, how would a
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  Speaker 2: professional quarterback throw that pass to that safety? How would he,
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  Speaker 2: how would he think he's going to beat that safety?
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  Speaker 2: That like, that's not close.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And so then you start to say, well, could have
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  Speaker 2: he been confused? And I do see a reasonable scenario
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  Speaker 2: where he was confused by the coverage. Because otherwise you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have to reconcile.
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  Speaker 3: And that explains why he didn't throw it with as
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  Speaker 3: much zip, because he just did not. He thought, I
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  Speaker 3: got him wide open down the sideline. He might have
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  Speaker 3: thought he had a busted coverage. They clouded on one side,
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  Speaker 3: but no safety.
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  Speaker 2: Because otherwise you're going to have to reconcile why would
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  Speaker 2: he throw a hole shot that late field field side
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  Speaker 2: and just, you know, blatantly under throw it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if McMillan wanted to clown him, he could
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  Speaker 2: have raised his hand like a fair catch before he
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  Speaker 2: caught the interception. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So, so, so you just have to say, okay, what, what,
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  Speaker 2: what explanation fits all of the facts.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, and, you know, again, I don't have anything definitive
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  Speaker 2: for you. Other than it's very poor quarterbacking. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was, it was a killer in every way. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it just, you know, if you're a Seahawks fan, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it felt like getting hit in the gut
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  Speaker 2: with a sack full of nickels.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: When, right.
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  Speaker 3: When he, that was the, that was the moment where
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  Speaker 3: that was like the first moment, like we've got this,
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  Speaker 3: the game's over, we've won.
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  Speaker 2: And, and then, and then that, and then that happens. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but there was a lot of third downs.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Um, and, uh, you know, now you asked the interceptions,
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  Speaker 2: I went in reverse order.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go back.
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  Speaker 3: Third and one, you're at the 39 of Denver and
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  Speaker 3: he gets picked off by Andres drain.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It kills you. Cause the play before they hit
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  Speaker 2: JSN and he had, he'd come within a foot of,
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  Speaker 2: of getting the first down. And so now you go
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  Speaker 2: play action, you know, that speaks to how you feel
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  Speaker 2: about the running game on third. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: guess they thought they could get a big play, but the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the play was designed to get the motion cup from
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  Speaker 2: left to right. He's in the flat. He's wide open, Chuck.
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  Speaker 2: He's wide open to his right. But why does, why
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  Speaker 2: does Sam, Darnold not throw it wide open to, because
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  Speaker 2: he's got a linebacker right in his face. And why
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  Speaker 2: does he have a linebacker in his face? Cause Halani
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  Speaker 2: tried to cut him and he whiffed him. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, like, like I, you know, if I hear
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  Speaker 2: one more time about Halani is the, the pass block specialist,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to throw my mouse against him.
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  Speaker 3: But they keep putting them out there as their pass
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  Speaker 3: blocking specialist.
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  Speaker 2: Because they're in a, in, because they're in a state
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  Speaker 2: of crisis at their halfback position.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to go over some numbers about
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  Speaker 2: what the running game is doing on first and 10
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  Speaker 2: and then second and neutral, which is second and first
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  Speaker 2: to six, compared to the six-game stretch from last year
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the year and then what they're
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  Speaker 2: dealing with Darnold. Now, you know, the fourth quarter of
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinal game is going to skew things. So just
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  Speaker 2: when Darnold's been on the field, we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: But back to the interception. But now he's got an impulse. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: he's got a– A man-to-man, he's got Torrey Horton on. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: it's an over route that is almost identical to the
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  Speaker 2: route that he threw the interception to Arroyo last week. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Arroyo was deeper, but there's an issue there of letting
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  Speaker 2: the defender undercut. That's the second time in two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: And yet, Kirk Herbstreit is exactly right. There's a certain technique.
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  Speaker 2: You got to, you got to take your angle. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I can walk you through this just visually. I
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  Speaker 2: want you to imagine an analog clock and you're in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the clock where the hands emanate, right? So,
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  Speaker 2: so that's where, that's where Horton would start his route.
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  Speaker 2: You would want to, I'm going to just use in
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  Speaker 2: general terms, you would want to go up at an
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  Speaker 2: angle that represents 10, exactly 1030. Now, now it's, You're
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  Speaker 2: going to say, well, wait a minute, that's 45 degrees.
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  Speaker 2: So let's just, we're going to use simple that you're
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  Speaker 2: going 10. Now, when you hit, when Kirk Herbstreit says
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  Speaker 2: you got to stick that route, what that means is
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  Speaker 2: when you're running that type of crossing route against man
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  Speaker 2: to man, you start in the middle of an analog
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  Speaker 2: clock and you head in a direction towards 1030. But
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  Speaker 2: then after you get about 10, 11 yards, now you
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  Speaker 2: want to flatten it in a direction towards 10. Does
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  Speaker 2: that make– because when you flatten it, you can do that.
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  Speaker 2: That's an obtuse angle. You remember that term from school.
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  Speaker 2: It's an angle greater than 90 degrees. You can do
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  Speaker 2: that angle. I was often called obtuse. What's that? I
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  Speaker 2: was often called obtuse. Yeah, we still are. But you
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  Speaker 2: can make that angle at full speed. But the defender
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  Speaker 2: who's trying to track you, he doesn't know exactly if
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  Speaker 2: or when you're going to do that. And there's a
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  Speaker 2: moment where you get separation if you do that. And
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  Speaker 2: so he doesn't stick the route. He just kind of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's a lazy route. I think Herb Street described.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with everything that Herb Street said about the route. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't completely absolve Darnold because there's got to be
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  Speaker 2: an input. You know, when they hand you the keys
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  Speaker 2: to the Ferrari, you know, and it's third and a foot.
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  Speaker 2: If your impulse, you look to the right, and you
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  Speaker 2: can't get the ball to cut because your halfback tried
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  Speaker 2: to cut the outside linebacker. He could have taken him high.
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  Speaker 2: He chose to cut him. It didn't work. So now
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  Speaker 2: you come back, and it was almost like he threw
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  Speaker 2: before he really assessed. He kind of put that at risk,
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  Speaker 2: and he didn't process whether his young receiver had actually–
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  Speaker 2: got the separation that he needs for him to have
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  Speaker 2: thrown that. I mean, if you dirt the ball, you
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  Speaker 2: can go for it on fourth and a foot, if
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  Speaker 2: that's McDonald's choice. You can try what would have been
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  Speaker 2: a 57-yarder at altitude where he's already made, what, a 55-yarder.
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  Speaker 2: He missed a 47-yarder. But, yeah, so I would not
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  Speaker 2: grade him as severely on the first interception. But the
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  Speaker 2: second interception... There's really no excuse. He had a clean pocket.
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  Speaker 2: He had every reason to need to avoid that. And
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  Speaker 2: so here we are. It's the nature of the position.
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  Speaker 2: We're all sitting around furious at our quarterback. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And two critical interceptions. He was also 7 for 15
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  Speaker 3: for just 52 yards at halftime. He was getting hit constantly.
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  Speaker 3: He had 17 quarterback hits to me. Anders disagreed a
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  Speaker 3: little bit earlier.
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  Speaker 2: In the show.
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  Speaker 3: I saw not the same confidence. The let it rip
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  Speaker 3: Sam that we watched a year ago, and maybe it's
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  Speaker 3: in his head. Don't throw the interception like you've talked
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  Speaker 3: about numerous times in the past. Don't throw it. Don't
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  Speaker 3: throw it. Oh, my gosh, I threw it. So what
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  Speaker 3: do you chalk it up to? Why just the sub-performance
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  Speaker 3: overall from Sam in the game?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a complex answer in my mind. Let's start
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  Speaker 2: with the running game. Last year when they were rolling
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  Speaker 2: in the last six games, counting the three playoff games,
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  Speaker 2: on first and 10, they averaged 4.98 yards per rush.
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  Speaker 2: Now they're 2.78. Successful runs, which on first down is 40%,
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  Speaker 2: they were at 46%. Now they're at 34%. Now second
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  Speaker 2: and neutral, which is one to six yards, their success rate,
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  Speaker 2: under Kenneth Walker was 75%. And now they are on second,
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  Speaker 2: and now their success rate is 54%. So you've got
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  Speaker 2: the running game that is nowhere near what it was.
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  Speaker 2: And then, as you said, he got hit 17 times
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  Speaker 2: versus four for Knicks. The pressure rate is 42%. uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, um, I think now he's number three, the
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  Speaker 2: third most pressured quarterback, uh, Abe Lucas is having a
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  Speaker 2: bad year. I don't care what, um, at, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Charles Cross miss some of the, the Brian Flory on the,
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  Speaker 2: on my, on my notes, uh, some of the blocking schemes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're running power pass where they're, they're pulling
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  Speaker 2: a guard, but then They only have one guy blocking
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  Speaker 2: for the backside. You know, you need to have the
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  Speaker 2: center come over to the side. You know, they're busting
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  Speaker 2: on their protections where clearly Helani, you know, they've got
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  Speaker 2: a five-down protection. And then there's a linebacker coming from depth.
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  Speaker 2: Helani has the linebacker from depth. The line has the five-down.
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  Speaker 2: This is basic stuff. This is minicamp stuff. And then
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  Speaker 2: we got a right guard who's blocking his guy, and
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  Speaker 2: then the linebacker comes, and he gets spooked, and he
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  Speaker 2: starts to block the linebacker, and he lets the defensive
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  Speaker 2: tackle go through. No, no, no, no. No, you got
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  Speaker 2: the defensive tackle. Helani was stepping up to get him. Now,
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  Speaker 2: whether or not he would have executed the block, all
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  Speaker 2: you can say as a quarterback is get a hat
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  Speaker 2: on a hat. Seattle had a hat on a hat.
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  Speaker 2: Why are we letting them go? I assume you don't
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  Speaker 2: want me to burn up. an hour and 40 minutes
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  Speaker 2: talking about the protection, um, failures. Um, but I'm just
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  Speaker 2: telling you that, that that's gotta get better. So I
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  Speaker 2: would say this, um, nothing about what happened. Like, like,
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  Speaker 2: like you, you just lost the turnover about a three, nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I have never defended that.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Um, and, and so you're going to lose because of
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: the turnovers period, you know, Mike, you know, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: hard stop, um, where, where I think the discussion has been,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and we'll talk about how it's different. Let's go back
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: to a year ago. A year ago, you set the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: franchise record for points. You were third in the NFL
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: in points. Darnold was number one in the NFL in
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: yards per dropback, which we've already talked about as a
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: much higher indicator than turnovers. And so it was an
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: effort to say, hey, how do we process the fact
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: that Darnold is leading the NFL in turnovers? And you say, okay, well...
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Look at what you're getting. Last year, and then let's
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: talk about the difference between last year and this year.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Net yards per drop back. I said he was number
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: one in the NFL in yards per drop back. I'll
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: get the answer to what he is now. I've got
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to update that. But net yards per drop back. Last year,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: he was second. This year, 17th. Yards per attempt, second. Now,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: adjusted net yards. Tied for fourth last year, 26th this year.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Passer rating, 11th last year, 27th this year. Completion percentage,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: 7th last year, 25th this year. TD rate, 9th to 15th.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Total interceptions, he's third most last year, tied for the
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: most this year. SAC rate, 13th. Now he's 26th, which
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: is worse. Now here's another part of it. This is,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: I think, interesting. Pro Football Focus has the best, time
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: throw rate. Now that's subjective, but he was at 5.5%. And,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and now he's at four. So he's, you've dropped 18%
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: in your big time throw, but your turnover worthy play
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: now turnover worthy, you know, sometimes turnovers are unlucky last year.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: his turnover worthy, uh, out of 43 qualified, um, he
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: was 21st. He was right in the middle. So we,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: so there was a lot of unlucky stuff, but his
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: turnover where the play rate was 3.6%. This year it's 5.7%.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: It's gone up 58%. Um, and so, uh, So, you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I can keep, you know, the time, the the sack rate.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: What do we got? Sack rate was five point four
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: percent was 13th. Now it's eight point six percent with 26.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: That's that's a rise of 60 percent. So so that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: was then this is now you're you're 14 and three.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: You're you know, you're the number one seed. And yes,
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: you had there was a cost. You were paying the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: tax for the big plays. that you were getting and
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the scoring you were getting. It's like, if, if you,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: if you brought, bought some Nvidia stock, uh, at the time,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the Seattle acquired, uh, Sam Darnold, you know, your broker
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: would be calling you, you know, he'd be like celebrating
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: and he'd say, well, was there any downside?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You got to pay capital gains tax. If you want
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: to sell. Okay. Well, I'll pay more capital gains tax
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: because I freaking earn more money. Hmm. Um, you know, I'll, I'll,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I'll live with the turnovers. If you're giving me all
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: the other stuff, if you're giving me 14 and three,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: if you're giving me a franchise record in points, if
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: you're number one in the NFL and yards per drop back. Yeah. Um,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff. And no, by the way, as
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: we outlined a little bit, you know, go through the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: different games, all the times that is aggressive, help them
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: win the games, the aggressiveness. But now we're not getting that.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: And you're not going to get me to defend scoring
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: 14 points and then having those interceptions. Now, having said that,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: doggone it, Chuck. You watch the coach's tape. Through 58
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and a half minutes, there was no turnovers, and it
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: was hard to be the quarterback for the Seahawks. Yeah. Like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: he was under siege. There were some issues, you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have a running game. Now, I will say this.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: For the first time since Rashid Shaheed has been a Seahawk,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: I believe that if I'm quarterback coaching Sam Darnold, I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: am insisting, hey, Shaheed is getting open, and we are
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: turning him down. We have got to get 22 more
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: involved because what's happening is is the Broncos, they roll
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the coverage to, to, uh, uh, JSN and, and, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: sometimes they play man, they're playing zone everywhere else. They're
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: manning with the corner. They got a safety over the top.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So they're doing, they're either going man under or zone
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: owner with a, with a safety over the top. That
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: is a high and low type of, of, of double coverage.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Got me. And on the other side, the coaches in the,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: in the crowd, um, no, they're, they're playing a quarters
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: concept to, to his side.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: What?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And, and, and that means you got, The safety in
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the corner, and depending on the release of the tight end,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it determines whether there's double team. But after they hit
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: that go route with Shahid, right, and they narrowly missed it. Now,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: when they play quarters on that side, and if the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: tight end went to the flat, the safety could turn
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: and double. cover was Shahid going vertical if he just
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: stops right in between on the inside of the corner
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and on the outside of the the safety he just
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: stops and comes back to the quarterback at like a
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: 15-17 yard button hook as you would call it on
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: in the playground it's open because those guys are are
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: fearing the deep ball so moving forward uh I think
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Shahid you know has an opportunity to uh to have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: a really big game. He could have caught 80, 100
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: yards worth of balls last night. And so, I don't know,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of leading myself on this, but I'll just
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: say this. Let's then transition. What's your option with Sam Darl?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about that next. It is Hugh
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Millen with us, Monday morning quarterback. Our QB1, to break
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: it all down for you, we continue on the other side.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. quarterback after what they've seen from
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Sam and drew played so well in the first couple
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: of weeks.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, what would you say to those folks? Well, for me, uh,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I think that would be very premature. I'm kind of
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: trying to take the helicopter and raise it up and
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: see things from 30,000 feet. Um, by my way of,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: of thinking about it, Sam drawn is 29 years old.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: He got them under contract for another two years. Uh, you,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: you've got a Superbowl window here with the, uh, the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: defense and, and, uh, obviously, um, if you can straighten
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: things out, uh, you're, you're, you certainly have a Superbowl
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: winning defense right now. I don't think that's in dispute.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: And so my, my inclination, if, if you were to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: just do that, well then, okay, is, you know, if,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Drew Locke plays well, you say, okay, if Drew Locke
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: plays well, that's a good thing. Well, okay, but how well?
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, if it turns into a Kurt Warner dunk
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: on Trent Green, fine. If it turns into a Tom
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Brady dunk on $ 100 million Drew Bledsoe, fine. But those
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: are pretty rare. So I think it would be very
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: premature now. It's not endless. You can't keep going on–
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Last year, the whole scaffold of my argument about, hey,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: we can deal with the turnovers because we're getting the
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: big plays, well, that was a year ago when you
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: were getting 0.7 interceptions per game. Now you're at 1.75.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: You've more than doubled the– so there's not– This is
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: not limitless. You can't just say, well, we can absorb
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: five interceptions a game. At some point, you would make
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: a change, but I would be inclined to say, let's
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: at least get Zedarian Price in there and change some
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: of the numbers that I referenced on those neutral downs,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: get some explosiveness. That's not the way they want to play.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: They threw it 51 times now. 48 of them in regulation.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: They don't want to throw 48 times in regulation last
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: year in play action attempts. They're eighth in, in attempts,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: but Darnold had 118 passer rating. He was number one.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: He had a 91, um, uh, grade from pro football
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: focus and play play X now 91 in, you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: obviously a hundred would be the tops, but 91 is
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: as high as they ever go for anybody. You know, when, when,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: When Aaron Darnold or, you know, when Miles Garrett is
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: getting 25 sacks, he's at 90, 91. So he had
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: a 91 play action pass grade, which was first in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Play action average depth of target, 11.7 yards.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was humming the ball down the field.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: So I would want to see, hey, let's get the running,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you know, get a running back in there in price.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: See if we can't turn the tide in that regard.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: get a little bit more Seahawks football with the play action,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: protect better, maybe give them a chance to get Shahid
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: going in the manner that revealed itself on the tape
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: from last night. So I think there's some– and then
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: your 3-3, if you beat the Chiefs here, you can
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: start to feel good about yourself and you can make
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: a run. Remember, they won 11-12 games. So I just
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be– eager to be hasty on this. And by
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: the way, Sam Darnold did a lot of good stuff.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I know nobody wants to hear that. When I watch
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that tape and I look at the difficulty, made a
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: lot of big time throws. How about that post down
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the middle?
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Heroic.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Oh God. Yeah. You know, and, and, but others, um,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you know, thrown to the outside, thrown to the middle, um,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: you know, the scrambles that he had, he did a
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: lot of good things. It's just, it's like, you know, uh,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you know, having a nice stroll around Amsterdam and, and then,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and then you, you don't, you dump the, the, your
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: car in the canal. You can't say it was a
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: nice stroll. You know, the car ended up in the canal.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: It kind of depleted the rest of the pleasant drive. Right.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: So, um, uh, At any rate, what do you guys think? Anders, Chuck,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: where are we on this? I'm sticking with Sam. I'm
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: not even close to that decision at this point. So, yeah,
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sticking with Sam. I mean, Drew Locke's had some
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: opportunities to be a starting quarterback in the National Football League,
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: and he's never seized it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And it looked like a different Drew.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I'll give everybody that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: He looked terrific in the two starts earlier.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm glad he's on our team, and I think
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: he's one of the best, if not the best backup
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: in the league. But he had three chances to prove
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: that he's a starter in the National Football League, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: he didn't come close. to locking it up. Sam Darnold
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: for sure locked his up and his third opportunity and
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: then won a Superbowl last year.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So I have a lot.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: More faith that we turn this thing around with Sam
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: than I do just bailing on it and going to Drew.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and for me, I can understand the thought process,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: and I'm not totally dismissing the conversation of Drew Locke.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: There are being question marks there, but I'm definitely not
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: making the switch right now. It would be too rash
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: of a decision at this point in the year. Plus,
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: what message does that send to the rest of the team, right?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: He's our guy. He's our guy, right?
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: And then you're kind of in question marks.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: I'm not in a locker room, obviously, so I don't
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: know what effect that has, but that obviously is a
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: question mark as well.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Well, the NFC Championship game still has to reside somewhere
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: in our memory bank. And that was with, I mean,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: think of the irony of this, that last year Matthew
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Stafford set the all-time NFL record for most yards against
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: the same opponent in back-to-back games. And it was 832 yards.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: That's with no interceptions. Six touchdowns, no interceptions. And the
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: irony is that you would expect that that would have
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: been done against some sad sack, you know, jet defense
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: or something from years. But no, it was against the Seahawks,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the number one defense. And that's what Matthew Stafford did. And,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you know, in the entire history of nearly 1,400 playoff starts,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: in the history of the NFL, there's only been 16
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: where a quarterback has been over 330 yards, over three
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: touchdowns and three or more touchdowns and no interceptions. And
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: only one game that was done by both quarterbacks. And
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: that was the NFC championship game. So Stafford was doing
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that to the Seahawks defense. Well, there was nothing. Sam
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Darnold had to win that game. And oh, by the way,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: of those 16 games, There's only been one other game
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: where the quarterback who executed that had under three yards
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: per attempt from his running game. And that was Tom
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Brady in the 2017 AFC Championship game. So Sam Darnold
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: was in rare error in the sense that he had,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: for the first time, he had to battle a guy
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: that was accomplishing that in the other quarterback. He had
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: no running game. And so everything that we enjoyed from
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: that Super Bowl win is in part owed to Sam
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Darnold and what he did in the NFC Championship game
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: because there is no Super Bowl without that performance.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: All right, Hugh Millen is with us, our QB1. It
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: is Monday morning, quarterback. We will get to the defense
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: at the top of the hour, also the play of
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: Bo Nix. I want to get Hugh's thoughts on that.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: So maybe we would put final thoughts on the offensive
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: performance in our next segment, Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Now back to the Washington State Beef Commission's Football Friday
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: with Chuck in the Morning on your home for the NFL.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: All right, Chuck Fowler, Anders Hurst, and Christopher Kidd. Chuck
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: in the morning, Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM. Monday morning
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: quarterback session for you, reacting to the 17-14 loss in
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: overtime last night in Denver on Thursday Night Football. We
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: have another huge portion of the game we haven't even
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: dived into, dove into at this point, and that is
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: the defense. Bo Nix's play last night, but I'm going
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: to save that for 9 o'clock. I just want to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: finish up on a couple of things here on the
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: offensive side of the ball. with Hugh, our QB1 here
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: on Monday Morning Quarterback. I only got like five minutes
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: in this segment, Hugh, but I wanted to ask you
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: two quick things. Number one, why the Sam Darnold batted balls?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: Why does he get so many balls batted down at
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage? Coincidence, or is he doing something
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: to create that?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Well, if you just say in a generic sense, what
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: would be factors that would involve that? I would say
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: if you're staring down a receiver, if you have a
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: slow release, if you're throwing short and over the middle,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: if your offensive line is doing a particularly good job
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: of pass protecting, and the defensive lineman, he doesn't feel
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: like he can get home, then sometimes you'll see, particularly
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: with nose tackles and the bigger guys, they just kind
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: of hang out by the line of scrimmage. and wait
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: for you to throw the ball. Um, I, I think
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: right now he's, he has officially four batted passes, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: it seems like more, right. Doesn't it? Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, uh,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: you know, he had one against the commanders. So, um,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying right now he has officially four,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and I think that's been updated from last night. Um,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: It does seem like more. I agree with you. And
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it was, it seemed like a problem last night. I
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't ever remember being in a quarterback
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: meeting room and giving it a lot of thought in
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: terms of, of, of what a quarterback can do about it.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Like you're not asked to quarterback differently. Does that mean,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: You don't do your checkdowns like, okay, if I got
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the running back over the middle, does it mean that,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, are you going to change your release? You know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: as I said, you know, maybe if you're staring down
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: things right over the middle, you got, you know, there's
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: a certain concept called Hank where your primary read is
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the tight end over the middle. Everybody runs it. Um,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: you know, it's five, six yards over the middle. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: if you just stared it down, uh, I suppose you
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: could critique the quarterback, but as a general rule, Chuck
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the meeting room, we don't spend a lot
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: of time trying to coach around that. Yeah. You know, it's, it's,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you just kind of chalk it up to bad luck.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Uh, second thing I ask you quickly, and, uh, Andrews
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: has been showing me for Poor, failed, Helani blocking attempts
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: all morning long on video.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Gross.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I don't really want to see him
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: get a carry again. But I do want to give
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: him a little bit of props. Those are two angry
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: runs that he got into the end zone. He carried
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: an entire pile into the end zone at one point. So,
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, George has taken the shorts a few times
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: from us here in the morning. So I wanted to
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: give him a little bit of props because, man, we
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: really needed that kind of play at that time of
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the game. And he came up with two good ones.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Two big time runs.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. The way the pile moved. I mean, he must've
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: moved the, you know, he didn't go down for eight yards.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Seemed like after there was the scrum there, that was phenomenal.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And then incredible individual effort to get into the end zone. Yeah, absolutely. I,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you know, so, so I think that you're, you're, you know, you're, you're,
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  Speaker 2: you're suiting up in an NFL game and they're handing
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you the ball there. There's a certain floor above which
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you should be as a runner. You should be capable of,
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  Speaker 2: of having a good run. The question is over the
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  Speaker 2: body of the work. So there can be two truths.
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  Speaker 2: Those were both very important, wonderful, impactful runs, and Seattle
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  Speaker 2: is still in need of help, and it's– Code Red
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  Speaker 2: type of help that they need at running back. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here was pretty much the– just to recap my
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  Speaker 3: reaction to it.
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  Speaker 2: It was phenomenal. No, not Halani. Yeah. Yes. Wow. The
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  Speaker 2: 12th guy at the end of the NBA bench, he
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  Speaker 2: can actually make a three from time to time.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great comment.
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  Speaker 2: You know, because he's in the NBA.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So. So why is Alani in the game? They're giving
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: him the bully. I think I certainly I'm not going
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to speak for all Seahawks fans, but we can all
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  Speaker 2: agree those were two tremendous. Yeah. And so good on you,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: George Alani. Now, please protect better for the quarterback.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: All right. Let's talk about the defense. Talk about Bo
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