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55KRC Friday Show - Tech Friday, Brigham McCown, Jack Windsor · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Five o five and fifty five k RC, the talk station.
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Speaker 2: Suesday, Happy Friday.
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Speaker 1: There is confirmation it's Friday from Just Trekker with the
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Speaker 1: woo Hoo button. Just Direktor executiroducer of this program. My
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Speaker 1: name is Brian Thomas, host at the fifty five KRC
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Speaker 1: Morning Show, and got a nice show lined up today,
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Speaker 1: which is typical for a Friday because it begins with
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Speaker 1: Tech Friday's Dave had at least in so far as
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Speaker 1: guests on the program regular segment every Friday at six thirty. Today,
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Speaker 1: Dave are tech genius. I followed the Church of Dave.
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Speaker 1: I was kind of joking about that over the last
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Speaker 1: several weeks. Listen to what Dave has to say will
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Speaker 1: keep you out of trouble, unless, of course, you're a
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Speaker 1: Coca Cola head your data, in which case it probably
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Speaker 1: was hacked.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: First story we're talking about dat about it's Coca Cola
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Speaker 1: revealing that hackers stole a terabyte of data. Hm Milk
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Speaker 1: production resumes his hackers teut one terabyte of data theft.
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Speaker 1: So anyhow, that's the headline we'll be dealing with with Dave.
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Speaker 1: Scammers are using FaceTime to steal passwords and car hacking
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Speaker 1: is a real threat. I thought it was hilarious that
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Speaker 1: we were talking about that today with Dave Hatter. If
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Speaker 1: you want to check it out for yourself, there's an
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Speaker 1: author Sharon A. Turlup Er article. These drivers are taking
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Speaker 1: extreme measures to avoid new car technology. Folks going out
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Speaker 1: into the world looking for the cars with the least
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Speaker 1: automotive technology and hanging onto their cars for longer and
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Speaker 1: longer and longer. If you buy a car like pre
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Speaker 1: twenty ten, it doesn't have all the crap on it
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Speaker 1: that you don't want, surveillance mechanisms, television screens, you know,
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Speaker 1: the whole nine yards with technology, backup cameras, sensors, warning
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Speaker 1: bells going off all the time. There's a huge market
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Speaker 1: for those cars out there. I guess they read about
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Speaker 1: all these people's different desperate efforts to avoid any form
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Speaker 1: of that kind of technology, and well I get that.
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Speaker 1: I get that all day long. So car hacking a
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Speaker 1: real threat. So days to explain how that is, Maybe
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Speaker 1: give us some information on how to avoid having our
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Speaker 1: cars hacked, not stolen.
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Speaker 2: Mind you.
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Speaker 1: Bring mcgow and our energy policy expert in studio for
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Speaker 1: a full from the Hudson Institute. Bringham is going to
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Speaker 1: be breaking down a whole bunch of different information about energy.
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Speaker 1: Why PJAM our energy provider, licens largest regional transmission organization,
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Speaker 1: recent capacity auctions produced dramatically higher prices. That's just one
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Speaker 1: of many topics we're talking about the expense of energy,
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Speaker 1: the growing expense of energy. What he learned from VideA
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Speaker 1: at the headquarters. He visited Ohio's electricity challenge multiple topics
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Speaker 1: with Brigha mcgallan, our energy policy expert. And then fast
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Speaker 1: forward to eight thirty eight o'clock hour Always ends on
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Speaker 1: a Friday with Jack Windsor from the Onpress network Countdown.
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Speaker 1: TikTok ticked out the number of days before the election.
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Speaker 1: We need to get out and vote November. War on
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Speaker 1: data centers is going on another topic Jack's been following,
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Speaker 1: and also Haitian deportation. Saw that article the other day.
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Speaker 1: Mike the Wine not real thrilled about the whole ending
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Speaker 1: of temporary protected status. Someone needs to remind Mike the
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Speaker 1: Wine of the word temporary what that actually means.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: Anyhow, you can call I would love to hear from you.
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Speaker 1: Some interesting things going on in the world this morning
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Speaker 1: five one, three, seven, four, nine fifty, eight hundred and
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Speaker 1: eight two to three talk pound five to fifty on AT
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Speaker 1: and T phone, including a new poll of voters are
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Speaker 1: worried about election integrity. We'll get to that just a second,
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Speaker 1: but a public service announcement. And I'm not allowed to
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Speaker 1: give blood anymore, apparently because my cancer diagnosis, and despite
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Speaker 1: the fact that I did get that good news lately,
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Speaker 1: it's in I don't know if I can call it remission,
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Speaker 1: but no sign of my lymphoma anymore. And so my
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Speaker 1: treatment procol worked and I'm just happy about that. We'll
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Speaker 1: do follow up visits down the road, and I may
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Speaker 1: end up having to go through the chemo treatments again,
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Speaker 1: that's my issue, but at least it point being that,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you got there certain limitations, like, for example,
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Speaker 1: if you had age you're supposed to not You're not
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Speaker 1: supposed to be able to give blood. They say, that's
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Speaker 1: my understanding. But if you are okay in terms of
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Speaker 1: giving blood and you got Type OH positive, I guess.
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Speaker 1: The American Red Cross has declared a national blood crisis
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Speaker 1: that happened earlier this week, supply TYPO positive falling below
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Speaker 1: one day national inventory and apparently summer donations, they say
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Speaker 1: are running at their lowest level in four years. They
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Speaker 1: say the shortfall has already caused the organization to restrict
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Speaker 1: distributions of the type blood TYPEO blood to hospitals, which
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Speaker 1: can force providers to prioritize among patients. Oh kind of
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Speaker 1: makes me want to go down a cul de saca
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Speaker 1: about how someone having to prioritize. Yeah, when you put
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Speaker 1: the keys of life in the hands of the government
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Speaker 1: and there are limited resources, you may be well not
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Speaker 1: on the priority list. Sorry, I don't know where that
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Speaker 1: came from, but I guess the point I'm making is
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Speaker 1: if you're able to give blood, it's a gift of life.
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Speaker 1: It's not that difficult to do, little time consuming. Got
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Speaker 1: an hour or so out of your day, Get on
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Speaker 1: into one of the Hawksworth blood centers, donate some blood.
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Speaker 1: Clearly there are people out in the world that could
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Speaker 1: use it, and you could very well save a life.
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Speaker 1: Pivoting over to election integrity, so let's look at this
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Speaker 1: real quick here, new gallupole found voters in both parties
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Speaker 1: saying politicians they believe that I don't know where this
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Speaker 1: comes from. Fear politicians could pressure election officials to change
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Speaker 1: election results. Fifty six percent of Republicans seventy seven percent
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Speaker 1: of Democrats believe that. And I just wrote how question
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Speaker 1: mark ponder that one for a minute. I mean, I listen,
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Speaker 1: you can ask a question, what do you think? And
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Speaker 1: if you just you know, knee jerk reactions, say yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think politicians could pressure election officials to change election results.
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Speaker 1: You might say yes to that, but have you really
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Speaker 1: given that conclusion any thought? I mean, which politician you
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Speaker 1: go ahead, you cast your vote and hear in Ohio,
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Speaker 1: what is the wine going to pressure somebody to change
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Speaker 1: the vote result? Now, I think you have to worry
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Speaker 1: about nefarious outside hackers who might be able to compromise
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Speaker 1: the voting machine integrity. That's where that concern should come
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Speaker 1: from some screening politician in the corner. Do you think
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Speaker 1: anybody over the Board of Elections is going to listen
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Speaker 1: to them.
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Speaker 2: Anyway?
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Speaker 1: Other fun facts, four out of five respondents, I be
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Speaker 1: eighty percent for those keeping track of the math at home,
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Speaker 1: they said they have either a great deal or a
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Speaker 1: fair amount of concern that political leaders will take actions
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Speaker 1: they know are possibly illegal. Now, this is within the
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Speaker 1: context of elect of voting. But I kind of got
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Speaker 1: after on the heels of doctor Fauci statements and which
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Speaker 1: sort of, you know, just a stream of events that
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Speaker 1: have happened throughout my lifetime about politicians doing actually illegal
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Speaker 1: things as opposed to possibly illegal things. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, Bob Menendez and his lawyer, oh, the
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Speaker 1: same lawyer that represented Fauci the other day, that he
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Speaker 1: comes to mind accepting gold bars from foreign governments as bribes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: possibly illegal, actually illegal. Add that to the long litany
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Speaker 1: of things where you realize politicians have actually done corrupt things.
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Speaker 1: This gallipol focusing on elections. Political leaders will take actions
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Speaker 1: they know are possibly illegal. You know that maybe that
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Speaker 1: should be our default mindset. And if you walk around
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Speaker 1: just sort of with the looming at least understanding, if
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Speaker 1: not belief that they will do something like that, but
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Speaker 1: least understanding that any elected official, any person in a
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Speaker 1: position of power, any person who has the ability control
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Speaker 1: some element of your life, might do something illegal. I think,
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Speaker 1: which is my default position, I'd be less likely to
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Speaker 1: want to give anybody.
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Speaker 2: That control and that level of power.
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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, man, welcome to my little el Libertarian philosophy,
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Speaker 1: stay the hell out of my world, and I have
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Speaker 1: to worry about your corruption hurting me.
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Speaker 2: Hmm.
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Speaker 1: I know we're talking about voter integrity in this galipole,
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Speaker 1: But in any event, Galipol reported the forty percent worrying
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Speaker 1: about that they could be confronted, followed, or recorded while
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Speaker 1: casting about it. Well, welcome to the surveillance state again,
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Speaker 1: bringing to mind Tech Friday's Dave Hatter, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: the world of Internet. You've got social media bashing that
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Speaker 1: goes on twenty four to seven, sometimes at the best
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Speaker 1: of your government, Doctor Anthony Fauci, confronted, followed, or recorded
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Speaker 1: while casting a ballot. Okay, you can put in or
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Speaker 1: take out while casting a ballot, and put in literally
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Speaker 1: any other day to day activity, and I'm sure people
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Speaker 1: would answer, yeah, they believe that that is going on.
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Speaker 1: I could be confronted, I could be followed, I could
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Speaker 1: be recorded doing literally anything. So not a great revelation,
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Speaker 1: at least from my perspective on that. I'm surprised it's
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Speaker 1: only forty percent. Nearly three quarters of Americans specifically seventy
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Speaker 1: three percent, so they have had have at least a
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Speaker 1: fair amount of concern about multiple aspects of the election process,
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Speaker 1: which they conclude highlights persistent unease over the integrity of
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Speaker 1: US elections as we head on into the all critical
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Speaker 1: November elections. Well, maybe if you interjected and required a
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Speaker 1: greater measure of election integrity. Maybe if your systems weren't
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Speaker 1: hooked up to the Internet. Maybe if you had paper
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Speaker 1: ballots to back up whatever electronic voting is going on.
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Speaker 1: Maybe if you had photo identification requirements. Maybe if you
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Speaker 1: had in person ballot obligations. Maybe if you removed all
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Speaker 1: the areas where we literally know people cheat, people can
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Speaker 1: vote even though they are not lawfully allowed to do so,
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Speaker 1: all those areas, plug those holes, and maybe people would
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Speaker 1: have a stronger belief in the integrity of the election.
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Speaker 1: How about save act as a mechanism too? Uh, well,
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Speaker 1: solve these challenges. How about providing the American people with
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Speaker 1: some measure of confidence over those electronic voting systems. I
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Speaker 1: know there's a lot of swirling controversy about that. Some
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Speaker 1: people think foreign governments are responsible for the software that's
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Speaker 1: in some of these voting machines and that they can
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Speaker 1: be manipulated. Has that concern been alleviated for anybody you know,
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Speaker 1: there are some people who say, no, that's impossible, and
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Speaker 1: there are some people say no, it's actually possible, and
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Speaker 1: it's been demonstrated. Why am I thinking to doctor Faucci.
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Speaker 1: Some people say the virus came from a wet market.
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Speaker 1: Others say it was manufactured of the Wuhun Institute of Virology.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what the truth is behind the scenes. Maybe
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Speaker 1: we've been told something that isn't actually true. Maybe our
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Speaker 1: elected officials and our lords and masters have actually uttered
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Speaker 1: the words no, there's nothing to see here. There's no
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Speaker 1: possible way for a foreign government to interfere with the
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Speaker 1: electronic votings that's going on in the United States while
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Speaker 1: writing personal diaries behind the scenes saying something the polar opposite,
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Speaker 1: or as we see the Donald Trump comments from the
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Speaker 1: other day in his speech about election integrity in the
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Speaker 1: Chinese influence. Oh look, maybe it's true, because I see
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Speaker 1: the heads of four US intelligence and national security agencies
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Speaker 1: are now saying exactly what Donald Trump said the other
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Speaker 1: day about China engaging in election interference.
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Speaker 2: Oh.
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Speaker 1: Fact sheet was released yesterday by the White House Government
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Speaker 1: Transparency Task Force, compiling data from multiple agencies. I might
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Speaker 1: point out says China and its proxies bought, stole, or
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Speaker 1: hacked voter data belonging to his men is two hundred
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Speaker 1: and twenty million Americans, including some information that was not
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Speaker 1: publicly available. Ooh, you mean they kept information from us. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and they kept it away from the administration as well.
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Speaker 1: They knew this kind of activity was going on. They
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Speaker 1: didn't bother to let Trump know during his first term. Why.
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Speaker 1: Fact sheet pairs of the finding with the intelligence community's
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Speaker 1: official definition of election interference, which includes a foreign powers
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Speaker 1: targeting of voter data. Election interference doesn't mean the election
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Speaker 1: that the votes were changed. It's just interference in the
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Speaker 1: context of anything related to the American voting system, including
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Speaker 1: all of your data. Foreign countries in other foreign countries'
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Speaker 1: actions to amount to election interference, they don't have to
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Speaker 1: change the result. The definition includes a foreign powers targeting
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Speaker 1: of voter registration infrastructure or data. Fact sheet that was
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Speaker 1: just issued yesterday, approved by the heads of the office,
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Speaker 1: so the Director of National Intelligence, National Security Agency, the
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Speaker 1: Central Intelligence Agency, and the Department of Homeland Security. So
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump isn't the one that said this. All of
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Speaker 1: those different lettered agencies, which up until Trump became president.
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Speaker 1: You believed in my leftist friends. Trump pointed out China's
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Speaker 1: long been meddling in the US elections, including saying that
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Speaker 1: it was working to influence the results of the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty presidential elections. Good morning, morning. He didn't explicitly claim
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Speaker 1: they changed the twenty twenty election. It's just manipulation. And
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Speaker 1: it's pointed out the adversaries could use the registration data,
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Speaker 1: which was confirmed to have been stolen by the Chinese
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Speaker 1: Communist Party, used the registration stration data, which in many
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Speaker 1: cases well allows them to tailor influence campaigns to specific
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Speaker 1: targeted audiences.
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Speaker 3: Huh.
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Speaker 1: If they know who you are and where you live,
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Speaker 1: and what your political leanings are and how you voted previously,
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Speaker 1: you might be the target of some influence campaign, which
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Speaker 1: they can do. The nefarious ways in which that information
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Speaker 1: can be put represents a serious threat to the integrity
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Speaker 1: or the election process generally speaking. So you know, I
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Speaker 1: understand it now if our elected officials would only give
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Speaker 1: us some measure of a comfort over all the areas
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Speaker 1: in which many people have concerns about election integrity. Why
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Speaker 1: is it we have concerns? Well, because as a giant hole,
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Speaker 1: you can drive a semi truck through.
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Speaker 2: In terms of how.
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Speaker 1: People might be able to vote illegally, unlawfully, or have
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Speaker 1: their votes stolen, and or maybe even like dead people voting,
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Speaker 1: they'd have to vote rolls. Okay, that's done some places.
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Speaker 1: Other states refuse to do it. Ask yourself the question
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Speaker 1: why if I have twenty Right now? I see New Hampshire.
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Speaker 1: Gary's on the line, Gary, hold on, you're right first
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Speaker 1: out of the gay to be right back fifty five
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Speaker 2: Guys.
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Speaker 1: There's sixty three degrees right now. If you have KRCB
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Speaker 2: Say you on five.
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Speaker 1: Two three talk had five fifty on ETFT phones. Bear
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Speaker 1: with me a moment, Gary, It's Friday. We must let
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Speaker 1: let me speak.
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Speaker 2: Ah.
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Speaker 1: I feel better and refreshed. Let's see what Gary's guy
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Speaker 1: this morning, New Hampshire. Gary, welcome back to the morning show.
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Speaker 1: Happy Friday.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Friday Morning Brian's spleen Polk.
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Speaker 1: I never know where I'm gonna start when I wake
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Speaker 1: up and and and walk into the studio. Gary, I
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Speaker 1: gotta be honest with you about that. Sometimes I don't
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Speaker 1: even know where what I said. When I'm done saying.
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Speaker 5: It, that sounded good, bro, thank you, but it is,
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Speaker 5: you know, Gary, that is exactly why I never ever
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Speaker 5: ever go back and listen to anything I ever said
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Speaker 5: on the radio.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't live with myself, like, why did I say that?
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Speaker 1: Why did I use those words? How is it that
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Speaker 1: I use the wrong word? Why is my grammar inappropriate?
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Speaker 6: You know?
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Speaker 1: I anyhow, I'm too I'm very self critical and I'm
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Speaker 1: very lowless. I guess it's self esteem. I can't go
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Speaker 1: back and listen. So anyhow, Gary, go ahead.
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I woke up this morning. My TV's
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Speaker 4: downloading for the twelfth time, and the only way that
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Speaker 4: it will turn on is if I click to the
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Speaker 4: select all and agree to all, you know, which is
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Speaker 4: probably trade in my first granddaughter, you know, And then
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Speaker 4: I go out to my car, and my car it
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Speaker 4: actually about once every other month, you know, I have
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Speaker 4: to park it in a parking lot, lock the doors
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Speaker 4: so it can download. Really you know, well, oh yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's a super room. And about every other month it
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Speaker 4: gets a software update. And then you know, not that
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Speaker 4: they're reporting or you using the GPS to tell my
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Speaker 4: insurance you know how fast I'm driving, where I'm driving
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Speaker 4: a thing.
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Speaker 1: Like that, you know, well, that's the kind of stuff
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Speaker 1: that really irks me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he gets pulling TV right, you know, so,
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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're not telling everybody and anybody what I'm watching,
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Speaker 4: what I'm wanting.
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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, that had never happened.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 4: I take these I got online banking that will never
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Speaker 4: get hacked. They promise Pinky Square, you know, that will
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Speaker 4: never get hacked, and so far. You know. So it's
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Speaker 4: just the modern life. There's really it's it's hard to
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Speaker 4: go through.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: I was just waiting for that because I was gonna say, okay,
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Speaker 1: you and I hate that those elements of the surveillance
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Speaker 1: society we literally live in right now. Is there a
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Speaker 1: way to get around it? Can you detach yourself lude
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Speaker 1: allah like a ludite from the collection of all your information?
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Speaker 1: And I think, really when in the final analysis, Nope,
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Speaker 1: I don't think you can. There's there's just no way
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Speaker 1: out of it. So I have Tech Friday's Dave Adder.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes he has solutions and suggestions about how to avoid it,
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Speaker 1: and well, most of the time it's don't participate don't
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Speaker 1: download apps. Man, if you're like the people that I
18:24
Speaker 1: read about in this article from the Wall Street Journal
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Speaker 1: about buying cars, buy a really old car and keep
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Speaker 1: it up the stuff and take it. I guess the
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Speaker 1: foreign exchange they have it fixed for less money.
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Speaker 2: Crazy world.
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Speaker 1: We live in Tech Friday with Dave How to come
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Speaker 1: up in an hour five twenty seven right now if
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Speaker 1: you five care see talkstation, phone calls or local stories
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Speaker 1: are next fifty five car from Tech Friday with Dave
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Speaker 1: Adder anytime feel freezee? Well, well, let's I have a
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Speaker 1: guesting see like Brig McGowan's coming up for the full
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Speaker 1: seven o'clock hour on energy policy, and boy, don't we
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Speaker 1: have a lot to go over with him. Let's go
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Speaker 1: to the phones. Tom is on the way. All is
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Speaker 1: right with the world, Tom, welcome back, my friend. Happy Friday.
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Speaker 7: Yes, sir, good morning. I hope you're hope you're doing
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Speaker 7: okay today.
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Speaker 2: Thanks.
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Speaker 7: I don't know if you've got anything. I don't know
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Speaker 7: if you got anything planned for this weekend. Don't think
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Speaker 7: we're gonna give me yard work done tomorrow?
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Speaker 3: Right?
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Speaker 1: I know we've got that Hoodie memorial fundraiser in Westchester
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Speaker 1: tomorrow and I just praying for for good weather for that.
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Speaker 1: There is a rain contingency plan. But I doubt you
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Speaker 1: can play golf in thunder and lightning.
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Speaker 7: So anyhow, generally generally generally discouraged behavior.
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Speaker 1: Yes, generally discourage Well that again from my perspective, golfing
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Speaker 1: is generally discouraged behavior generally speaking.
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Speaker 7: Any that I'm thinking being out in the open swinging
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Speaker 7: your metal pole around when when you when you're when
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Speaker 7: it's thundering, your lightning is probably not a good idea.
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Speaker 7: I'm just gonna go out and right, thanks, thank.
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Speaker 2: You, Joe.
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Speaker 1: I was just gonna think it was I was waiting
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Speaker 1: for that as soon as you said that here it comes,
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Speaker 1: here comes.
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Speaker 7: I even thought about using the work club instead. I
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Speaker 7: figured i'd get a phrasing, and it really didn't matter
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Speaker 7: what I said. It was gonna it was gonna get
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Speaker 7: something zip your topic of the day. I don't remember
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Speaker 7: if I told you about this. A few weeks ago
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Speaker 7: when I was home, I was downtown for breakfast, and uh,
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Speaker 7: I left my wallet in the restaurant and I did
20:18
Speaker 7: not remember. I didn't realize I left it there until
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Speaker 7: it was like three point thirty and the restaurant already closed.
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Speaker 7: It was one of those breakfast lunch places. But I
20:28
Speaker 7: was pretty convinced. I knew right, I knew where it was,
20:31
Speaker 7: so I but of course I wanted to make sure,
20:34
Speaker 7: so I called the bank, and I called the credit
20:37
Speaker 7: card company. Hey, just put a hold on the card,
20:40
Speaker 7: don't don't shut it down. I know where it is.
20:42
Speaker 7: I believe within twenty four hours I'll have those cards.
20:44
Speaker 7: So yeah, So most everybody cooperate except for my bank.
20:49
Speaker 7: But for some reason, my bank decided to close my
20:53
Speaker 7: card for security reasons that you know. Basically, they disregarded
20:58
Speaker 7: my request and on their own they decided it's better
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Speaker 7: for you if we shut your card down and send
21:05
Speaker 7: you a new card. Well, of course, that takes five
21:08
Speaker 7: to eight business days get the card right, and then
21:11
Speaker 7: of course they got to send you a different pin,
21:15
Speaker 7: a new pin that you've got to you know, set up,
21:18
Speaker 7: you know, or whatever you got to do. That takes
21:20
Speaker 7: another five to seven business days. It's a separate mailing. Okay,
21:25
Speaker 7: And apparently all this, all this could have been avoided
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Speaker 7: had I just banked online used an app. I'm not
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Speaker 7: doing that. I'm not even logging into my bank account.
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Speaker 7: On my phone or on a mobile device. I'm not
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Speaker 7: doing it. Never, I refuse. I refuse to do that,
21:41
Speaker 7: because all you're doing is opening up a door or
21:43
Speaker 7: window for other people to get into your stuff.
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Speaker 2: Agreed.
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Speaker 7: Even if you got five bucks in your account, if
21:49
Speaker 7: you make it available to other people like that, you're
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Speaker 7: just asking for trouble.
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Speaker 1: Well, consider why they made it. They force you to
21:56
Speaker 1: bend over backwards and issue a new card with a
21:57
Speaker 1: new card number. What who's responsible beyond the first fifty
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Speaker 1: dollars out of the uniform commercial code for the obligations
22:04
Speaker 1: for processing a credit card transaction fraudulently The credit card
22:09
Speaker 1: company if they may. If they allow a transaction to
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Speaker 1: go through and it's not you, and you flag it
22:14
Speaker 1: and notify them of it and they can't recover it,
22:17
Speaker 1: they're on the hook for it. Unlike a debit card,
22:19
Speaker 1: which Dave had to will warn you never use your
22:21
Speaker 1: debit cards because debit cards and they with If someone
22:23
Speaker 1: unlawfully withdraws money pursuing to a debit withdraw then you're
22:28
Speaker 1: on the hook for the loss. Credit Card companies are
22:30
Speaker 1: on the hook beyond fifty bucks for a credit card
22:32
Speaker 1: transaction that's been that's been done unlawfully, so that's why
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Speaker 1: they would shut the number off so nobody can do
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Speaker 1: that and they're not on the hook for payments.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well it was the other way around for me.
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Speaker 7: The credit card company was you know, they gladly honored
22:45
Speaker 7: my request and then I called the next day it
22:47
Speaker 7: turned it back on. But it was debate debit card people.
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Speaker 3: Then, yeah, of the debit card.
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Speaker 2: Wow, okay, yeah, I think.
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Speaker 7: It was lost in translation what happened because the person
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Speaker 7: I invoke to didn't sound like day we're living in
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Speaker 7: this country?
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Speaker 4: Well went over sea?
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Speaker 7: Could have been that.
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Speaker 1: It's possible.
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Speaker 2: I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I can't at the outside. I didn't understand what what
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Speaker 1: what the bank was. I thought the bank was the
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Speaker 1: credit card issuer, in other words, that bank card.
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Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, Hontington National Bank. So right now everybody knows
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Speaker 7: where I think. Right, Hey, just be sure just me,
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Speaker 7: you and Joe.
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Speaker 1: Don't tell any why we will say anything.
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Speaker 7: Oh and by the way, way, talk to you tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: As this tradition there you go, oh, look in the headline,
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Speaker 2: there it is.
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Speaker 1: You know it's Friday for sure when we're in uh,
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Speaker 1: we're dealing with naked people doing stupid things.
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Speaker 2: Please, as this tradition and of.
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Speaker 1: Course police involvement. Please looking for a woman who uh
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Speaker 1: dropped trow that's in quotes and exposed herself to customers
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Speaker 1: and employees inside a frozen yogurt shop in New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: This after being denied a couple of frozen yogurt thirties
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Speaker 1: on Tuesdays, the woman walked into the sixteen handles in
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Speaker 1: Montclair tried to help herself to a cup of frozen
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Speaker 1: yogurt without paying for it. When she told employees she
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Speaker 1: didn't have any money for the yogurt, workers told her, well,
25:26
Speaker 1: you can't have it. That's when the woman became irate.
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Speaker 1: Of course she did cord to the local Joe's tracker.
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Speaker 1: They answered all questions or the solution to all problems
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Speaker 1: court to the local police. They say, see, she walked
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Speaker 1: out of the shop, stood in front of the store window,
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Speaker 1: and then took off her pants, exposing her buttocks and
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Speaker 1: mooning everyone inside. Then, of course she turned around and
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Speaker 1: exposed her genitalia to customers and employees inside the yogurt shop.
25:56
Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? Nobody knows who this woman
25:59
Speaker 1: is at this point. It's right there in the article
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Speaker 1: Joe so I don't think we're going to find out.
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Speaker 1: All police have to go on is what she was
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Speaker 1: seen leaving the area, wearing which was specifically black glasses,
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Speaker 1: and carrying two red bags. Montclair Police Department would love
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Speaker 1: to hear from if you know who this woman is
26:15
Speaker 1: and where she might be found. Wait a second, there
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Speaker 1: was no recording or there's no reference to video camera
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Speaker 1: from inside the Frozen Yogurt shop. Maybe they need to
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Speaker 1: upgrade their system. There ended the Orwellian camera experience reality.
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Speaker 1: What do we got going on here? A naked woman?
26:38
Speaker 1: Continuing a theme. Forty six year old woman accused of
26:43
Speaker 1: attacking her mom with a handsaw and hitting her with
26:47
Speaker 1: a truck just walk away, leading Pierce County deputies on
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Speaker 1: a chase before she was finally arrested in Roy, Washington.
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Speaker 1: Deputy showed up about eleven thirty morning July seventeenth to
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Speaker 1: a domestic violence call on three hundred and second Street
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Speaker 1: after the woman said her naked adult daughter attacked her
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Speaker 1: with a handsaw corn in Pierce County Sheriff's office. The
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Speaker 1: daughter also took her mom's phone to prevent her from
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Speaker 1: calling nine one one. The mother fled using the neighbor's phone.
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Speaker 1: Mother did flee and use her neighbor's phone to call
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Speaker 1: nine one one. Deputy said the daughter then got into
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Speaker 1: a pickup truck while still naked and tried to run
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Speaker 1: over both her mom and the neighbor. That's good, said.
27:32
Speaker 1: The truck hit the mom and the family's dog, but
27:35
Speaker 1: missed the neighbor. Victims told deputies the woman backed up
27:37
Speaker 1: as if she intended to hit him again before driving away.
27:42
Speaker 1: Deputy said they tried to stop the truck. The driver,
27:44
Speaker 1: again still naked, wouldn't pull over. During the chase, she swerved,
27:48
Speaker 1: nearly hitting a police officer try to deploy spike strips.
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Speaker 1: Chase sentered after deputies used the pit maneuver. During that maneuver,
27:54
Speaker 1: the civilian vehicle struck head on by a patrol vehicle.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Women in the civilian vehicle and the deputy both taken
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Speaker 1: to the local hospital with minor injuries. Both vehicles described
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Speaker 1: as total. Suspect of course taken into custody, booked into
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Speaker 1: the Pierce Cauty Jail with multiple counts of first degree
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Speaker 1: assault in domestic violence case, attempting to elude police, and
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Speaker 1: resisting arrest. Apparently no outstanding warrants, shocking literally everyone. Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: office said the woman was evaluated for possible mental health issues.
28:22
Speaker 1: No word on whether she has them, but I think
28:25
Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to conclude we're dealing either with a
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Speaker 1: mental health problem or.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier in the hour that the Red Cross
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Speaker 1: is the credit national blood crisis. That could sure use
28:59
Speaker 1: your tie of blood motally, but give blood, give the
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Speaker 1: gift of life. Just make sure why you're there at
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Speaker 1: maybe the Hocksworth Blood Center. Look up at the ceiling.
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Speaker 1: What in the hell is he talking about? We got
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Speaker 1: a Presne, California where we have a man in custody
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Speaker 1: after the Fresno Police Department said he hid in the
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Speaker 1: ceiling of a plasma donation center in central Fresnel Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: seven thirty in the morning. Police had to show up
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Speaker 1: with a plasma center near Dakota after avenue after reports
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Speaker 1: of a person inside the ceiling or walls of the building,
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Speaker 1: please say A patient donating plasma looked up and saw
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Speaker 1: a man peering.
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Speaker 2: Through the ceiling.
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Speaker 1: Well, wouldn't that be creepy, which resulted in the staff
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Speaker 1: calling nine to one one officers try to negotiate with
29:48
Speaker 1: a guy. He wouldn't come out. During the incident, officer
29:53
Speaker 1: looked up through the ceiling. I guess moved the ceiling
29:55
Speaker 1: tile to figure out where the guy was located. That's
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Speaker 1: when the suspect allegedly through an object they believe it
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Speaker 1: was possibly a pipe, that nearly struck the officer.
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Speaker 2: In the head.
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Speaker 1: Negotiations continue. The man finally came out of the ceiling
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Speaker 1: area reportedly what day is it Friday? Reportedly naked as
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Speaker 1: a tradition. Police said that before coming down, he broke
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Speaker 1: a pipe, causing water to flood the building. Oh that's
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Speaker 1: where he got it, officer said. The man refused commands
30:25
Speaker 1: after exiting, leading officers to deploy pepperballs before taking him
30:28
Speaker 1: into custody. No injuries reported, despite the property damage continuing
30:34
Speaker 1: a theme, we got a Rogers, Arkansas where officials there
30:38
Speaker 1: say Corey Hill, thirty five, has been charged with voyeurism
30:42
Speaker 1: as well as commercial burglary. This after he allegedly took
30:45
Speaker 1: all of his clothes off and climbed into the ceiling
30:49
Speaker 1: despy on a woman in a tanning bed. What officers
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Speaker 1: say Hill requested to use a red light therapy bed
30:56
Speaker 1: at Planet Witness Court documents said a worker lay unlocked
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Speaker 1: the door of the red light room saw Hill naked
31:03
Speaker 1: wearing a backpack coming down through the ceiling tiles. Police
31:09
Speaker 1: said he'll admitted he was in fact naked and looking
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Speaker 1: into the ceiling, but claimed he heard a noise and
31:15
Speaker 1: tried to determine if something was in the attic. Right, Well, yeah,
31:28
Speaker 1: you're pressed for an explanation under you know, potentially criminal circumstances.
31:33
Speaker 1: You may be taking off the jail for what you've done.
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Speaker 1: I guess that's the best he could come up with
31:37
Speaker 1: on the fly. Evansville, Indiana, please say they arrested a
31:42
Speaker 1: man there last Friday night after he was seen crossing
31:45
Speaker 1: the street.
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Speaker 2: What day is it naked? Is this tradition?
31:49
Speaker 1: Friday police officers saw a completely naked guy walking across
31:53
Speaker 1: Garvin Street. Evansville Police said officers approached him as he
31:59
Speaker 1: stood in the middle of the road completely naked. Officers
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Speaker 1: said the man didn't move and in fact wasn't even
32:06
Speaker 1: able to tell them his name. Ultimately, they did figure
32:10
Speaker 1: it out. There you go, Joe, Joe. They did figure
32:14
Speaker 1: it out. Ultimately his name George W. Rencon Junior. He's
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Speaker 1: thirty one, described as having dilated pupils, appearing confused and
32:21
Speaker 1: unable to tell them where he was coming from or
32:24
Speaker 1: going to. Based on the circumstances. Shockingly, officers that said
32:30
Speaker 1: they believed he was under the influence. It's nice detective
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Speaker 1: work there, lou.
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Speaker 3: Court.
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Speaker 1: To police report, ren Con told one of the officers
32:40
Speaker 1: he was quote maybe on drugs plus quote. Another officer
32:46
Speaker 1: said that he said he was on quote shrooms, fish
32:52
Speaker 1: and shrimp us quote. Police say they're able to find
32:59
Speaker 1: his vehicle nearby. During the inventory vehicle, they found a
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Speaker 1: bag with grief a green leafy substance on the floor.
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Speaker 1: Booked into the Vanderberg County Jail and charges of indecent
33:09
Speaker 1: exposure and public intoxication by drugs. He has since been released. Shrooms,
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Speaker 1: fish and shrimp, which one of those substances caused his impairment. Obviously,
33:27
Speaker 1: this shrimp says Joe Man been arrested in connection with
33:31
Speaker 1: an armed home invasion robbery. This from Coconut Creek. I
33:34
Speaker 1: believe Miami.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: As this tradition in which the victim was forced to
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Speaker 1: strip naked before being bound with duct tate. Thirty one
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Speaker 1: year old Teven Dean arrested tutes that a dozen charges,
33:46
Speaker 1: including armed home invasion, arm kidnapping, aggravated by battery with
33:49
Speaker 1: a deadly weapon, aggravated as salt with a deadly weapon,
33:51
Speaker 1: false imprisonment, using or displaying a firearm during a felony,
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Speaker 1: grand theft, and fraud. Thank you, Joe Cord to the warrant.
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Speaker 1: Dean armed when he and a second suspect entered the
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Speaker 1: victim's apartment to rob him. He repeatedly poured the gun
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Speaker 1: to the victim and threatened to kill him if he
34:07
Speaker 1: didn't strip naked. Once the victim completed that stripped down
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Speaker 1: completely naked, he was restrained with the duct tape and
34:14
Speaker 1: had his eyes covered with duct tape before being dragged
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Speaker 1: down a hallway. One point, Dean held a kitchen knife
34:21
Speaker 1: against the back of the victims had and threatened to
34:23
Speaker 1: kill him if he didn't unlock his phone. Victim forced
34:27
Speaker 1: to provide the password to his Coinbase account before the
34:30
Speaker 1: suspects sold cryptocurrency belonging to the victim, then transferred proceeds
34:34
Speaker 1: to the other suspect's son. I suppose he didn't have
34:38
Speaker 1: a Coinbase app on his phone, he wouldn't have been
34:40
Speaker 1: able to do that, just saying. In total, Dean and
34:43
Speaker 1: the other suspects stole more than twenty seven thousand dollars
34:46
Speaker 1: worth of personal property and digital currency from the victim.
34:48
Speaker 1: Suspect fled and left the man restrained. Apparently it took
34:52
Speaker 1: that guy almost a half hour to get free. They
34:54
Speaker 1: also took the victim's phones, deleted seven video clips from
34:57
Speaker 1: his ring account that showed them actually coreed donating the
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Speaker 1: robbery outside of his house. Sessen's second suspect factory reset
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Speaker 1: the phone, and then pawn them. Dean booked in the jail,
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Speaker 1: being held without bond, according to records. Second suspect wasn't
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Speaker 1: listed in jail records and not currently known whether arrest
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Speaker 1: has been made.
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Speaker 1: concept like socialism or radical Islamic fundamentalism. And how did
36:41
Speaker 1: I steer over there? Because here the the Berlin mayor.
36:44
Speaker 1: This is kind of crazy because earlier in the week
36:46
Speaker 1: we talked with breitbarton News about the situation in Germany
36:51
Speaker 1: over overrun with well the Muslim community broadly speaking, but
36:57
Speaker 1: within those are a bunch of radical Muslim fundamentalists who
37:00
Speaker 1: think it's okay to kill people or otherwise kill them
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Speaker 1: in other random ways, like driving trucks into crowds of
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Speaker 1: people or getting all stabby with machetes. We've just seen
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Speaker 1: this from time and time and time again, most recently
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Speaker 1: that you know, Germany brings back a kid that's weed
37:15
Speaker 1: to Isis from Lebanon and then arrest them at the
37:19
Speaker 1: airport and then let him loose out in the streets
37:21
Speaker 1: and he goes out and kills people.
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Speaker 2: Anyway.
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Speaker 1: The problem is that out there in the world there
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Speaker 1: are people who are being taught radical, murderous fundamental ideology,
37:30
Speaker 1: whether it's related to Muslim fundamental faith or whether it's communism,
37:34
Speaker 1: lacking in all things religion, but fostering and encouraging violence
37:37
Speaker 1: against the evil capitalists of the world, you know, like
37:40
Speaker 1: CEOs of healthcare corporations. Pick your favorite capitalist target. My
37:47
Speaker 1: Kami friends, it's anger and violence not born of religion,
37:50
Speaker 1: but it's born of politics in that particular case. But
37:53
Speaker 1: in the case of religion, how do you deal with that? Well,
37:55
Speaker 1: this is why we pivot over to what the mayor
37:58
Speaker 1: of the Berlin Mayri, this guy's named Kaiwak he just yesterday,
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Speaker 1: I late day before yesterday, is calling for are you
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Speaker 1: ready for this Islamic religious education in the state schools.
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Speaker 2: He wants to.
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Speaker 1: Bring the teaching of Islam into schools, but not the
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Speaker 1: radical form. This is what he wants to do this
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Speaker 1: because he's concerned about the radical form. He's arguing that
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Speaker 1: young Muslims are being radicalized through religious networks that are
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Speaker 1: operating beyond state oversight. Yeah, because you know, religion and
38:42
Speaker 1: the state, unless you live in a theocracy, are completely
38:45
Speaker 1: different animals. So here in the United States, religion does
38:49
Speaker 1: in fact operate beyond state oversight because we have the
38:53
Speaker 1: free exercise of religion and we have an establishment clause
38:58
Speaker 1: where there is no establishment of religion. And that's how
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Speaker 1: you maintain that separation, which we've always viewed here in
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Speaker 1: the United States is a good thing. But let's use
39:05
Speaker 1: Germany as a cautionary tale, because how do you come
39:07
Speaker 1: up with the idea of actually teaching a specific religion,
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Speaker 1: in this particular case, Islam in schools because of the
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Speaker 1: radicalization that's going on outside in the world. He said,
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Speaker 1: Islamic instruction inside public schools could help protect young people
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Speaker 1: from extremist influences because the curriculum and teachers would be
39:29
Speaker 1: subject to state supervision. He said religious education in state
39:34
Speaker 1: schools could make a significant contribution to protecting young people
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Speaker 1: from such influences. We must increase the pressure and control
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Speaker 1: on radical mosques with the aim of banning them. He
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Speaker 1: also added, now I appreciate the situation he finds himself in.
39:50
Speaker 1: He's the head of he's the mayor of Berlin. You know,
39:54
Speaker 1: he's the a f tab per of all of Berlin.
39:57
Speaker 1: He's got to do something to protect the people. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is something I kind of struggle with here. Where
40:02
Speaker 1: is the problem coming from the fact that you have
40:05
Speaker 1: thousands of thousands of people who have, through their open
40:08
Speaker 1: borders policy and their freedom of travel policy within the
40:11
Speaker 1: European Union inundated, overwhelmed these various countries with philosophies and ideals,
40:17
Speaker 1: whether it's religious or perhaps political, that have nothing to
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Speaker 1: do with the historic realities and belief systems of the
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Speaker 1: German people. Generally speaking, it's like you know, we in
40:27
Speaker 1: here in the United States embrace typically over history, those
40:31
Speaker 1: evils so called Judaeo Christian values, work ethic, respect for others,
40:36
Speaker 1: hard work will get you someplace. Those things gradually eroding
40:39
Speaker 1: over time, right, those things protected by our constitution and
40:44
Speaker 1: in fact fostered and encouraged by them. When you live
40:47
Speaker 1: in a free society where you're not guaranteed stuff and things,
40:50
Speaker 1: and your government isn't promising to handle your entire life
40:53
Speaker 1: affairs from cradle to grave, there's a bit of incentive
40:56
Speaker 1: there to work for yourself, to actually get an education
40:59
Speaker 1: so you can enjoy the potential that you're given here.
41:05
Speaker 1: And we have a shared set of values like that.
41:07
Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, we are in a position to fight off
41:10
Speaker 1: the whole concept of communism and socialism. That's what we've
41:13
Speaker 1: been able to do successfully up until recently, for two
41:17
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years of this country's existence. But if
41:22
Speaker 1: you suddenly allow in to the house a mass quantity
41:28
Speaker 1: of people who do not share those values and might
41:33
Speaker 1: work to undermine them, maybe because one they don't understand them,
41:36
Speaker 1: or two, perhaps because they have been taught that those
41:39
Speaker 1: values that sort of solidify and provide us unity and
41:43
Speaker 1: great success. They've been taught and grown up in a
41:47
Speaker 1: society where those are perceived as evil and wrong and
41:50
Speaker 1: oh my god, capitalists wrong. You know, they go on
41:53
Speaker 1: and on and on the litany of talking points coming
41:55
Speaker 1: from the left. So you've got a whole group of
41:56
Speaker 1: people who have been you know, steeped in those traditions
42:02
Speaker 1: in terms of politics I've always called communism and socialism
42:05
Speaker 1: of religion. You've got to take a great leap of
42:07
Speaker 1: faith to think that what you're spewing is actually going
42:09
Speaker 1: to come to fruition at some point. It never has.
42:15
Speaker 1: But looking over Germany, they've been inundated with a mass
42:17
Speaker 1: quantity of Muslim people that don't I mean, Germany is
42:20
Speaker 1: a wildly successful company. Our country up until recently it
42:22
Speaker 1: was the economic backbone of Europe, not so much anymore.
42:26
Speaker 2: So then you can over the radical solution.
42:28
Speaker 1: Well, wait a second, we've got to counter the radicalism
42:30
Speaker 1: that's going outside the school system. We need to incorporate well,
42:34
Speaker 1: a kinder version of Islam.
42:37
Speaker 2: We need to.
42:37
Speaker 1: Teach Muslims that they need to embrace a well, a
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Speaker 1: more peaceful path, and so we'll teach that philosophy in
42:46
Speaker 1: our schools. Of course, I'd like to think that a
42:50
Speaker 1: lot of people believe. Oh my god, if that concept
42:52
Speaker 1: came to America, I would scream bloody murder. I would
42:54
Speaker 1: hold up my Constitution and wave it around and say
42:57
Speaker 1: you cannot do that. There's case law that says you're
42:59
Speaker 1: not allowed to incorp breate that into our education system.
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Speaker 2: Right.
43:05
Speaker 1: But the flip side of that, as we can see
43:08
Speaker 1: in Berlin with them coming up with these crazy ideas,
43:11
Speaker 1: is that there will be radical concepts being taught. Thus
43:17
Speaker 1: it has ever been. You've been dealing with evil, radical,
43:21
Speaker 1: vugdan forces in the various sectors forever. The question is
43:27
Speaker 1: whether they can gain hold and become a more dominant
43:31
Speaker 1: political force or religious force that will ultimately represent a
43:35
Speaker 1: threat to your society if you don't have a strong
43:39
Speaker 1: foundation of values and principles, in our case, built on
43:43
Speaker 1: the Constitution. What it means, what it has done for
43:46
Speaker 1: the world, all the greatness that has come from our country.
43:49
Speaker 1: Pride in that statistical proof compared to other countries and
43:55
Speaker 1: the histories of other countries that our country and its
43:58
Speaker 1: philosophies have out per formed all of them. That's something
44:02
Speaker 1: that should be proud of. Yeah, you can look at
44:04
Speaker 1: the warts associated with that great success, and you can
44:07
Speaker 1: dwell on them and highlight them and lament over them
44:11
Speaker 1: all day long. But what is that going to create
44:13
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who think the country is well
44:15
Speaker 1: born of original sin and not worthy of being around,
44:17
Speaker 1: because well, we screwed up from time to time. But
44:21
Speaker 1: I think the overwhelming volume of evidence proves that this
44:24
Speaker 1: country is overwhelmingly good and great and has done more
44:27
Speaker 1: for the world, positively speaking, than any other country around.
44:32
Speaker 1: If that concept is instilled in our young people and
44:36
Speaker 1: instilled in our population, you spring from the proposition that no,
44:40
Speaker 1: we're generally good and these values are worthy of protecting,
44:44
Speaker 1: but we'll still work on the other problems we need
44:47
Speaker 1: to address. You can fight off this radicalism. It will,
44:53
Speaker 1: like within my lifetime, be viewed. I miss those days,
44:57
Speaker 1: don't you When if you set out you were a
45:01
Speaker 1: communist you got laughed out of the room. You were
45:03
Speaker 1: ridiculed or shamed. Right, Yeah, I'm not anxious to go
45:09
Speaker 1: back to them Karthier necessarily. But at least communism in
45:13
Speaker 1: this world was a bad word. Why might that be
45:15
Speaker 1: is because we were all collectively, I'll use the bad
45:18
Speaker 1: word indoctrinated into the understanding that we lived in a
45:22
Speaker 1: great country. I think we need a little bit more
45:28
Speaker 1: of that indoctrination. Berlin's obviously struggling with it. They're going
45:34
Speaker 1: a rather odd way of at least this guy's suggesting
45:37
Speaker 1: a rather odd way of dealing with the problem they
45:39
Speaker 1: find themselves facing. We've got the same problem here, folks.
45:43
Speaker 1: How do you deal with it? Steven Tom I see
45:46
Speaker 1: you guys are on the front. I just looked up apologies.
45:47
Speaker 1: I was kind of on a I wanted to get
45:49
Speaker 1: that out of my system. I will promise to take
45:50
Speaker 1: your calls at just a second, after strongly encouraging you
45:53
Speaker 1: to take your imported traditionally manufactured imported cars Asia.
45:56
Speaker 2: EUROPEID KRNC the talk station six.
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Speaker 1: One if you have KCD talk station. You're right, Christopher.
46:03
Speaker 1: Are young people been trained that perfection is the test
46:08
Speaker 1: of whether or not our country is good. If it
46:10
Speaker 1: doesn't pass the perfection test, you got to throw it out.
46:14
Speaker 1: David agrees with your assessment. Christopher Smitheman, that's what's wrong
46:17
Speaker 1: with the public education system, or one of them.
46:19
Speaker 2: Anyway.
46:19
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phone. Steve here first, welcome to
46:21
Speaker 1: the program. Thanks for calling this morning.
46:23
Speaker 10: Yes, sir, A couple of quick comments. First one in
46:26
Speaker 10: response to your little rant there, which I enjoyed. What
46:30
Speaker 10: a shame that Germany did not embrace green a green
46:34
Speaker 10: energy policy in the nineteen thirties, That invasion of Poland
46:37
Speaker 10: would a petered out very quickly. No World War two.
46:42
Speaker 10: But the reason I called mainly, and it's funny you
46:44
Speaker 10: mentioned Christopher Smitherman because you were on vacation. You had
46:48
Speaker 10: the three guests hosts. They were all extremely good. You've
46:52
Speaker 10: got one heck of a strong bench there. We miss
46:56
Speaker 10: you when you're not there, but take time off anytime
46:58
Speaker 10: you want. It's good for your health, your psyche everything.
47:02
Speaker 10: You got a strong bench. My vote for your permanent
47:05
Speaker 10: replacement would be Christopher Smitherman of the three. No offense
47:09
Speaker 10: toward the three, but I really enjoy listening to him.
47:12
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.
47:13
Speaker 10: I really do a quick comment on Kentucky politicians. Kudos
47:18
Speaker 10: to Rand Paul my senator. When you got somebody like Falci,
47:23
Speaker 10: the worst you can do to him is just publicly
47:25
Speaker 10: humiliate him and destroy his reputation just by making his
47:30
Speaker 10: own words public. I don't know why he's got an
47:33
Speaker 10: eleven hundred page diary. He has got some serious mental
47:37
Speaker 10: issues and a fascination with celebrity. And one more Kentucky
47:41
Speaker 10: politician I want to talk about in case you want
47:44
Speaker 10: to ruin your weekend and get it off to a
47:47
Speaker 10: horrible start. Nine thirty this morning on c SPAN, there's
47:51
Speaker 10: a two hour meeting with Governor Bashir, Pete buddhaj Edge
47:58
Speaker 10: and I can't think of of whatever, Al Sharpton. It's
48:03
Speaker 10: two hours. Two of the guys are desperately running for president.
48:07
Speaker 10: But it's great to see Bashir on TV, to see
48:10
Speaker 10: that you can shove his personality into a symbol and
48:14
Speaker 10: still pour a gallon of milk in there. There's that
48:17
Speaker 10: much room. He's got no personality at all. Yeah, most
48:22
Speaker 10: people get exposed to him, he will just be a
48:25
Speaker 10: distant memory.
48:27
Speaker 1: So there is some value to watching it, if only
48:29
Speaker 1: to prove that he's not He should not be the
48:31
Speaker 1: guy perfecod point on that, Steve, I think I'd really
48:33
Speaker 1: had my gum scrape. But we'll see what Tom's got. Tom,
48:36
Speaker 1: thanks for calling this morning. Welcome to the program. Happy
48:38
Speaker 1: Friday morning, Brian.
48:40
Speaker 6: So this is the topics about Anthony Faucia. So I
48:44
Speaker 6: didn't think anything was wrong when the senators were calling
48:47
Speaker 6: him the F word and pieces of crap, you know,
48:50
Speaker 6: stuff like that. When I found out that he was
48:52
Speaker 6: doing experiments on six month old puppies and cats down there,
48:57
Speaker 6: and I think Argentina, and he's getting paid four hundred
49:02
Speaker 6: and eighty thousand dollars a year by the government, and
49:05
Speaker 6: he's putting them in these cages with sand fleas, cutting
49:09
Speaker 6: their vocal cords so you can't hear them whimpering and
49:11
Speaker 6: talent and pain, and then kill them. And I think
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Speaker 6: that man is not only disturbed and.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the argument has always been made when
49:22
Speaker 1: you're talking about animal research, because that in so many
49:25
Speaker 1: even equally more horrific, if not more horrific, abuse of
49:29
Speaker 1: animals in the name of science. See it's like gain
49:31
Speaker 1: of function research. Well, we need to do this so
49:33
Speaker 1: we're prepared if nature creates something that we just got
49:37
Speaker 1: done creating in a lab, so we're ready for it
49:39
Speaker 1: with a vaccine that we'll already have ready for now. Well,
49:42
Speaker 1: and the argument has always been, well, yeah, okay, the
49:44
Speaker 1: puppy's gonna be abused. We're going to cut these poor
49:46
Speaker 1: beagles vocal cords out and expose them to all kinds
49:49
Speaker 1: of forms of misery, but ultimately mankind will gain in
49:53
Speaker 1: response to it. That's a battle that has been waged
49:55
Speaker 1: since they've been doing experiments. Ask Joseph Mengela, who was
49:58
Speaker 1: given access to human being to perform similar experiences on it.
50:02
Speaker 1: Or you know, some people may think of the Tuskegee
50:05
Speaker 1: Syphilist experiments when they think about service of mankind. Yeah,
50:10
Speaker 1: you learned a lot about the transmission to syphilis, but
50:12
Speaker 1: you left a lot of people to suffer and ultimately die. Ethics,
50:16
Speaker 1: morals lots to be factored into that. But I think
50:19
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of reasons to be mad at
50:21
Speaker 1: Anthony Fauci beyond the animal experimentation, the fact that he
50:24
Speaker 1: lied to us, the fact that he maybe was responsible
50:27
Speaker 1: for the death of millions of people by doing this
50:30
Speaker 1: type of research. Independent of the animal research, we could
50:32
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always happy to be here.
51:04
Speaker 7: Brian.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate the opportunity to try to educate folks about
51:08
Speaker 3: the increasingly insane things that are going on in the
51:10
Speaker 3: world of tech.
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Speaker 1: Okay, like someone hacking Coca Cola and stealing one terabyte
51:15
Speaker 1: of data. Okay, that sounds like it's a problem for
51:19
Speaker 1: Coca Cola. Is there any implication for a listening audience
51:23
Speaker 1: about the Coca Cola hacked Dave?
51:25
Speaker 3: Well, as you might guess, Brian of course there is
51:28
Speaker 3: Corse illustrates, this illustrates why now it's less likely for
51:33
Speaker 3: you as a consumer to have this happen to you,
51:36
Speaker 3: but as a business or I would remind folks as
51:39
Speaker 3: an employee at a business. So before we get back
51:42
Speaker 3: to this, I think we talked about this a while ago.
51:45
Speaker 3: You know, I do a lot of public speaking on
51:46
Speaker 3: this right for our customers, for local organizations, you know,
51:50
Speaker 3: chambers of commerce, that sort of thing, to try to
51:53
Speaker 3: raise awareness about what the lookout for and what we
51:56
Speaker 3: see out there. We've got about two hundred active clients.
51:59
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of hyperbole out there
52:02
Speaker 3: in the news. You know, while anything you've read about
52:05
Speaker 3: could potentially happen, some things are a lot more common
52:08
Speaker 3: than others, like account takeover attacks. But ransomware, which is
52:11
Speaker 3: what happened here, is a real thing. And going back,
52:14
Speaker 3: it's it was late last year a story broke out
52:17
Speaker 3: of the UK that a company that had been in
52:18
Speaker 3: business for one hundred and fifty eight years. They were
52:20
Speaker 3: logistics company, one hundred and fifty eight years. Hackers broke
52:24
Speaker 3: in hit them with ransomware. Company out of business, seven
52:28
Speaker 3: hundred jobs lost. Yeah, so so This story, in my mind,
52:33
Speaker 3: speaks to two things. Resiliency. As an organization, you need
52:37
Speaker 3: to not only defend against this stuff, which is increasingly
52:41
Speaker 3: difficult to do for a variety of reasons, but you
52:43
Speaker 3: also need to be thinking about resiliency. You know, what
52:47
Speaker 3: can you do when something does go wrong? How do
52:49
Speaker 3: you avoid extended downtime? Apparently fair Life which is like
52:52
Speaker 3: a dairy product that Coke makes, which I didn't even
52:55
Speaker 3: realize they were involved in until the story broke, they
52:58
Speaker 3: were down for a week. I mean, can your busines
53:00
Speaker 3: was can your organization with stand a week of downtime?
53:04
Speaker 3: What are your employees doing during that week? What is
53:06
Speaker 3: that going to cost you? How does that impact your
53:08
Speaker 3: customer base? I mean what sort of you know, stain
53:11
Speaker 3: does that leave on your reputation? So, but my point is,
53:15
Speaker 3: you know, whether it's equipment failure, and thanks to the
53:19
Speaker 3: supply chain, it's getting harder and harder to get replacements,
53:22
Speaker 3: whether it's ransomware, cyber some other sort of cyber attacks,
53:28
Speaker 3: solar flare, whatever stuff breaks, right, So yes, you should
53:32
Speaker 3: definitely be focused on defending against it, but you should
53:35
Speaker 3: be thinking about resiliency. So in this specific, specific story,
53:39
Speaker 3: bad guys break in, hit them with ransomware. They're down
53:41
Speaker 3: for at least a week. Now, I'll just hit read
53:43
Speaker 3: from the article here, fair Life resumed the majority of
53:46
Speaker 3: its production and flor facilities in the United States. It
53:49
Speaker 3: goes on to say retail availability of product was largely unimpacted.
53:53
Speaker 3: You to availability of existing inventory. Product quality and safety
53:56
Speaker 3: have not been impacted. So you know, just as a
53:59
Speaker 3: reminder for you, the ransomware is essentially a type of
54:02
Speaker 3: malware where it gets into your devices, It encrypts the
54:06
Speaker 3: data so they won't work, and ideally you pay the
54:09
Speaker 3: bad guys or ransom to decrypt the data and put
54:12
Speaker 3: it back so the devices work again. This also illustrates
54:16
Speaker 3: the second problem of ransomware that happens almost every time now.
54:20
Speaker 3: In addition to encrypting your data, they steal it surreptitiously
54:23
Speaker 3: in the background. So if you come back and say, hey,
54:25
Speaker 3: I listened to old tenfoil Hat Dave Hatter, We've built
54:29
Speaker 3: systems that are resilient and can recover without paying the ransom.
54:32
Speaker 3: We have backups. We test the backups, we know they work.
54:35
Speaker 3: We can wipe these systems, we can restore the backups
54:38
Speaker 3: and they say that's nice, but you know, we stole
54:40
Speaker 3: your data and now we're going to release it on
54:41
Speaker 3: the internet. This has been done many times, well documented.
54:45
Speaker 3: We'll just release it on the internet unless you pay
54:47
Speaker 3: us because it might have sensitive financial data, might have
54:49
Speaker 3: customer data, might have trade secrets. It might create a
54:52
Speaker 3: compliance problem for you with some sort of regulation like HIPPA,
54:56
Speaker 3: depending on what you do. So the bottom line here,
54:58
Speaker 3: Brian is this is just an other example. Again, these
55:01
Speaker 3: are popping up all the time. If you're in business,
55:07
Speaker 3: or you're an employee at a business that would like
55:09
Speaker 3: to keep your job because the business stays in operation,
55:13
Speaker 3: you've got to take these things seriously. There are things
55:16
Speaker 3: you can do to defend against it. Many of them
55:18
Speaker 3: are cheap and easy, some of them more complicated. But
55:22
Speaker 3: you also have to be thinking about risk and resilience.
55:25
Speaker 3: What is the risk to your business of extended downtime?
55:27
Speaker 3: Can you survive it? Do you have insurance that would
55:29
Speaker 3: cover this? Are you doing the right things so when
55:32
Speaker 3: you make an insurance claim, they don't come back and say, hey,
55:34
Speaker 3: you know what, we're not going to pay because you
55:37
Speaker 3: didn't do the things you said you would do. So
55:40
Speaker 3: you know, that's kind of the high level summary of
55:42
Speaker 3: it all. That's why I think this story is important
55:44
Speaker 3: because this isn't just me warning about this. Here's another
55:47
Speaker 3: real world example where it happened to a well known company.
55:50
Speaker 3: I mean, fair Life is a subsidiary code. But yeah,
55:54
Speaker 3: this stuff that's happening every day, folks. You got to
55:56
Speaker 3: take it seriously, and we've got to be thinking about
55:58
Speaker 3: resiliency actually in our critical infrastructure sector.
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Speaker 1: Brian, And that's exactly let me guess what interust it
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Speaker 1: does for it.
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Speaker 3: Perhaps perhaps yes, we do exactly that sort.
56:09
Speaker 2: That's why.
56:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a free plug because of course you
56:12
Speaker 1: sponsored the segment. But if you need you're like, where
56:14
Speaker 1: in the hell do I turn to get this done?
56:15
Speaker 1: From my business? I'm worried about it happened here that
56:18
Speaker 1: what happened to Coca Cola. Interust it dot com.
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Speaker 2: Don't go away.
56:21
Speaker 1: Dave Hadder is going to be talking about scammers using
56:24
Speaker 1: FaceTime to steal passwords.
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Speaker 2: Oh, don't go We.
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56:33
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56:43
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56:46
Speaker 1: How are scammers using FaceTime to steal passwords?
56:49
Speaker 2: Dave?
56:51
Speaker 3: Well, Brian, unfortunately, as you know because we talk about
56:54
Speaker 3: it every week now for fourteen years or something, that
56:58
Speaker 3: the bad guys are very creative, and I want to
57:01
Speaker 3: reiterate to folks like I try to constantly. They will
57:05
Speaker 3: go wherever there are people, any sort of technology that
57:09
Speaker 3: has a large number of people, you're going to find scammers.
57:13
Speaker 3: And kind of going back to that last article, you know,
57:16
Speaker 3: one of the problems that I'm constantly fighting against is
57:20
Speaker 3: I'm too small. I have nothing to hide, I have
57:23
Speaker 3: nothing worth stealing. I'm too boring. There was recently, I
57:26
Speaker 3: don't have it in front of me. But recently some
57:28
Speaker 3: manufacturing magazine wrote an article something to the effect of
57:32
Speaker 3: overcoming the I'm too boring to be hacked mentality or
57:35
Speaker 3: something like that, and I know the average person is thinking,
57:40
Speaker 3: well too, I'm just one person. I don't really have
57:43
Speaker 3: any money, I don't really have anything we're stealing. Your
57:45
Speaker 3: money is worth stealing. And if I'm a criminal in
57:49
Speaker 3: a foreign country where I can't be touched by US
57:52
Speaker 3: law enforcement, and if I can steal let's just say
57:56
Speaker 3: three or four hundred dollars a day, well that adds
57:58
Speaker 3: up pretty quick. If I could steal three or four
58:01
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a day, I'm doing pretty good.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
58:03
Speaker 3: Right. If I could go to a platform, whether it's
58:07
Speaker 3: a video game, social media, some kind of chat app,
58:11
Speaker 3: e commerce site, you know, FaceTime. In this case, there
58:15
Speaker 3: are potentially millions, if not tens of millions of people there.
58:19
Speaker 3: So just do the math. If you can send out
58:22
Speaker 3: let's just say a thousand emails a day, which is
58:26
Speaker 3: on the low wind. Thanks to automation, I could send
58:28
Speaker 3: out millions of emails a day. But just let's say,
58:30
Speaker 3: you know, ten thousand emails a day. Okay, if one
58:34
Speaker 3: percent of those people I can steal, let's just againe
58:37
Speaker 3: keep the numbers small on the mass, simple five hundred dollars.
58:40
Speaker 3: I've just made a lot of money, and I'm in
58:42
Speaker 3: a place where I can't be touched. Okay, So just
58:46
Speaker 3: trying to level set that it's an asymmetric foe out there.
58:51
Speaker 3: You know, there's not that many of them, but they're
58:54
Speaker 3: using technology in places where there are lots and lots
58:57
Speaker 3: of people.
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Speaker 1: In the population to fall for your scam. However it's concocted.
59:03
Speaker 1: They are going to become wealthy people. This is why
59:05
Speaker 1: the businesses wanted to enter the Chinese market. Right, you
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Speaker 1: got one point four billion people. All you need is
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Speaker 1: a small slice of the population to buy whatever it
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Speaker 1: is you're selling. You're going to make a ton of money.
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Speaker 3: That's that's exactly right, Brian. It's it's like it's a
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Speaker 3: volume thing. Right. The old Saturday Night Live, there's a
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Speaker 3: routine where they're standing in line at the New York
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Speaker 3: Change Bank and that guy at the bank makes the
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Speaker 3: exact change every time, and finally someone asks like, hey man,
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Speaker 3: how do you make any money? Volume on volume? That's right,
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Speaker 3: it's hilarious.
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Speaker 2: That's the same joke.
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Speaker 6: Though.
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Speaker 1: If you go out and you ask, you know, two
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Speaker 1: women for a date that you make, you may get
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Speaker 1: shot down. But if you ask a hundred of them,
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Speaker 1: some one of one hundred people will probably say yes
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Speaker 1: to your request.
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Speaker 3: So, same kind of thing, Yeah, yeah, exactly. So the
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Speaker 3: bad guys or wherever there are, people get video games,
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Speaker 3: social media, and in this case, you know face. So
1:00:00
Speaker 3: for folks that don't have Apple phones, FaceTime is essentially
1:00:03
Speaker 3: their video calling platform built into Apple phones. And so
1:00:08
Speaker 3: this illustrates not only the fact they'll go where people are,
1:00:11
Speaker 3: but their general creativity, you know. So the way this
1:00:16
Speaker 3: is from CBS News, Victims first receive a text message
1:00:18
Speaker 3: about account activity related to their bank or credit card
1:00:21
Speaker 3: and ask to call a phone number. Okay, almost every
1:00:24
Speaker 3: sort of digital scam or cyber fraud, if you will,
1:00:28
Speaker 3: involves a some sort of spoofy. It's something that looks legitimate.
1:00:35
Speaker 3: Could be a website, could be a text message, could
1:00:37
Speaker 3: be an email, And then typically involves social engineering. And
1:00:42
Speaker 3: there's usually two forms of that. Something good will happen
1:00:45
Speaker 3: to you, but you must act immediately, or something terrible
1:00:48
Speaker 3: has happened and if you want to stop it, you
1:00:50
Speaker 3: must act a media. So there's you know, this urgency,
1:00:54
Speaker 3: and then typically it's something bad has happened, you need
1:00:57
Speaker 3: to act now, right. They want to catch you up guard,
1:00:58
Speaker 3: They want you to act immediately. They create a sense
1:01:02
Speaker 3: of urgency so you don't really think about it, and
1:01:04
Speaker 3: they lure you're into their trap, because most of this
1:01:06
Speaker 3: sort of crime is coming from people who are essentially
1:01:09
Speaker 3: con artists using the technology, not wizards of technology. They're
1:01:14
Speaker 3: just using the technology to run the same sort of
1:01:17
Speaker 3: scams they would have on the street one hundred years ago, right,
1:01:20
Speaker 3: but thanks to spoofing the ability to create things that
1:01:22
Speaker 3: look legitimate, it's easier and they can reach more people.
1:01:26
Speaker 3: So you get a text, you call this number, and
1:01:29
Speaker 3: now you're on the FaceTime And at this point they
1:01:33
Speaker 3: are literally con artists. They'll tell you whatever lies they're
1:01:36
Speaker 3: going to try to trick you into sharing information, like
1:01:40
Speaker 3: oh well I need you to transfer your money to
1:01:42
Speaker 3: a different account or whatever. They'll tell you any lie.
1:01:45
Speaker 3: For folks that don't believe this goes look up kit Boga.
1:01:48
Speaker 3: He's a scam the scammer guy. He'll get a text
1:01:51
Speaker 3: or a call like this, he'll take it and then
1:01:52
Speaker 3: see how long you can keep him on the phone.
1:01:54
Speaker 3: It's all on YouTube. Look him up. It's not only funny,
1:01:58
Speaker 3: but it's very it struck in terms of the sort
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Speaker 3: of lies don't take.
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Speaker 1: So indeed, you know, right, well, we're out of talk
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Speaker 1: a week. I'll give you a quick plug. It's go
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Speaker 1: that our cars have turned into computers. There's a Wall
1:02:36
Speaker 1: Street Journal article just today about how drivers are taking
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Speaker 1: extreme measures to avoid new car technology. Talking about shoppers
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Speaker 1: out there wanting the minimalist cars out in the world.
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Speaker 1: They don't want bells, whistle stuff and things, backup cameras,
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Speaker 1: and certainly they don't want computers which can be hacked.
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Speaker 3: So, Brian, uh, before we get into the specifics of
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Speaker 3: this particular story, you know, I agree. You may recall
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Speaker 3: we've talked about this. I bring it up every once
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Speaker 3: in a while. Mozilla, the people that make the Firefox
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Speaker 3: web browser. I have a site called Privacy not Included,
1:03:10
Speaker 3: and they look at IoT slash smart devices. You know,
1:03:15
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan. I know the Internet of Things.
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Speaker 3: In fact, I have a substack where I delve into
1:03:21
Speaker 3: the problems and basically have an on growing list of
1:03:24
Speaker 3: the problems with this stuff and why you don't want
1:03:26
Speaker 3: to have things like ring doorbells and such. But the
1:03:29
Speaker 3: reason I bring up the Privacy not Included, I encourage
1:03:32
Speaker 3: your listeners to go look at it, and I'll put
1:03:34
Speaker 3: it in my notes today, which will be as you mentioned,
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Speaker 3: beyond LinkedIn x, Facebook or whatever linked to my substack
1:03:39
Speaker 3: where I post all this. They they did an expose
1:03:43
Speaker 3: on new cars recently. It's a couple of years old now,
1:03:46
Speaker 3: but I think most people if they realized what your
1:03:49
Speaker 3: new car is doing. It's essentially a computer that happens
1:03:52
Speaker 3: to move. At this point, it's surveilling you in all
1:03:55
Speaker 3: kinds of crazy ways. You know, you now have the
1:03:57
Speaker 3: Biden Administration's kill switch built into new cars where they
1:04:00
Speaker 3: can be remotely disabled for whatever reason. And you may recall, Brian,
1:04:04
Speaker 3: at one point we talked about this. Forward filed a
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Speaker 3: patent that would allow them to recall your car autonomously
1:04:12
Speaker 3: at some future point if you're not making your payments. So,
1:04:16
Speaker 3: you know, cars are pretty pretty important to modern society,
1:04:19
Speaker 3: not only from a consumer transportation standpoint, but from a
1:04:23
Speaker 3: logistical standpoint. And I let's just call it vehicles rather
1:04:26
Speaker 3: than cars. And as we make everything increasingly reliant on
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Speaker 3: software in it, our society becomes increasingly fragile. Now you know, Brian,
1:04:36
Speaker 3: I spent twenty five years as a software engineer. I'm
1:04:38
Speaker 3: no luddite. I'm not against technology people. That's never my
1:04:42
Speaker 3: point of this stuff. My point is we continue to
1:04:46
Speaker 3: make things based on software, software and them connected to
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Speaker 3: the Internet. And I understand all the arguments for this.
1:04:52
Speaker 3: I understand the convenience, I get all that. But as
1:04:55
Speaker 3: we add software to things, and I encourage people to
1:04:57
Speaker 3: go read the book by mick O hipponent. If it's smart,
1:05:00
Speaker 3: it's vulnerable. If it has software in it, it is hackable. Period.
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Speaker 3: This has been demonstrated over and over. We talk about
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Speaker 3: it every day, you know, we talk about it on
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Speaker 3: this show every week. But the point they're making in
1:05:11
Speaker 3: this article, and we've talked about this off and on
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Speaker 3: all the way back to Like twenty fifteen, Wire did
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Speaker 3: a story where some hackers worked with a reporter and
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Speaker 3: they were able to remotely control a jeep grain cherically.
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Speaker 3: It actually called a recall from stillanis that your car
1:05:29
Speaker 3: is a rolling computer over the air software updates. Okay,
1:05:33
Speaker 3: I have a newer Ish car. It's once an update
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Speaker 3: right now.
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Speaker 7: Now.
1:05:37
Speaker 3: Normally I would say, yes, you should apply software updates
1:05:40
Speaker 3: as soon as possible, and generally you need to do that.
1:05:44
Speaker 3: But the point they're making in this particular article is
1:05:47
Speaker 3: it's less likely that your car is going to be
1:05:49
Speaker 3: taken over and remotely controlled. Although as we get further
1:05:52
Speaker 3: and further down the road to autonomous vehicles, it's not
1:05:55
Speaker 3: outside the realm of possibility, and many people, many people
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Speaker 3: smarter than me, the record instances of me, have warned
1:06:01
Speaker 3: about that, you know, Chinese electric vehicles, vehicles that could
1:06:06
Speaker 3: be potentially taken over, as was demonstrated in that Wired article. Now,
1:06:10
Speaker 3: those those issues of open women fixed. But the point
1:06:14
Speaker 3: they're making here is while that's not outside the realm possibility,
1:06:17
Speaker 3: it's less likely than just hackers, which I'm always worried about,
1:06:22
Speaker 3: and critical infrastructure in general get into a back door
1:06:26
Speaker 3: a back doors built in the system, they find a
1:06:28
Speaker 3: vulnerability and one day, for whatever reason, Brian, before we
1:06:31
Speaker 3: run out of time, and we should talk about this
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Speaker 3: next week. You know, did you see the story about
1:06:35
Speaker 3: the thirty water plants that were hacked in Minnesota this week?
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Speaker 2: I didn't I miss that one.
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Speaker 3: Lord, I'll send it over to Yeah, this is it's
1:06:43
Speaker 3: it's it's all out there. They think it was Iran
1:06:45
Speaker 3: coordinated attack on thirty water plants. One was actually temporarily
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Speaker 3: shut down. My and my point is software is in everything.
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Speaker 3: Bad actors China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, criminal gangs, whatever,
1:07:00
Speaker 3: if they can get into these things. And let me reiterate,
1:07:04
Speaker 3: if it's smart, it's vulnerable. Read the book by Mike
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Speaker 3: O opponent. This is why we I talked in the
1:07:09
Speaker 3: first thing about hardening your environment, defending against this stuff
1:07:12
Speaker 3: and making sure it's resilient. But you know, at some point,
1:07:15
Speaker 3: could a bad actor break into Forward and shut down
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Speaker 3: every board f one fifty or every Forward or every
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Speaker 3: Tesla fill in the blank. I'm not picking on Forward.
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Speaker 3: And if you go read that privacy not included article
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Speaker 3: about cars, you will see that as these cars become
1:07:32
Speaker 3: more sophisticated in terms of the technology. You also have
1:07:35
Speaker 3: the fun fact that, like you know now, they want
1:07:37
Speaker 3: to sell you a subscription the user heat seats, they
1:07:39
Speaker 3: want to sell you a subscription to use your heated
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Speaker 3: steering wheel. You know, you get into a right to
1:07:44
Speaker 3: repair issue. So I'm not against this technology because I'm
1:07:48
Speaker 3: against technology. I'm against it because it is creating an
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Speaker 3: exponentially increasing amount of risk for our society as we
1:07:55
Speaker 3: add software into these things, and every device potentially becomes
1:07:59
Speaker 3: a surveillance device, becomes controllable by someone else. Whether you
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Speaker 3: love Trump or hate Trump, whether you love Biden or
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Speaker 3: hate Biden, do you really want someone you don't like
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Speaker 3: surveilling and controlling you from whoever?
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Speaker 2: Man, Brian, Thanks so much for having me back. It's
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Speaker 2: exciting to be back here.
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Speaker 1: It's exciting to be back in the land of the
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Speaker 1: of civilizations. It was the California, which is where I
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Speaker 1: understand you just came back from.
1:09:40
Speaker 2: Yes, been out there all week, but they did have
1:09:42
Speaker 2: plenty of sunshine.
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Speaker 1: Now specifically, I understand you were in Silicon Valley.
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Speaker 2: I was absolutely so.
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Speaker 1: You weren't hanging out in downtown San Francisco dodging feces
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Speaker 1: and needles and things of that nature. You're actually in
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Speaker 1: I suppose it Silicon Valley itself has not deterior or
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Speaker 1: falling into the ocean. They're still, at least from a
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Speaker 1: visible standpoint, reasonably saying.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's completely different, far more laid back.
1:10:08
Speaker 2: And you know, I always forget that when I go there, right,
1:10:12
Speaker 2: you go to the South Bay area, San Jose, Santa Clara,
1:10:16
Speaker 2: and it's just a totally different state practically. It's weird.
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Speaker 1: And I know you were there at Nvidia, and we
1:10:22
Speaker 1: can talk about your why you were with Nvidia, but
1:10:25
Speaker 1: that's allowed you to be surrounded by what I think
1:10:27
Speaker 1: you described as a bunch of brilliant computer folks.
1:10:31
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. You know, it never disappoints to go
1:10:34
Speaker 2: out there because it attracts some of the best and
1:10:36
Speaker 2: brightest from around the country. And you know, it's almost
1:10:39
Speaker 2: like NASA back in the sixties. They're all half of
1:10:43
Speaker 2: these people are under thirty years old, and they're brilliant.
1:10:46
Speaker 1: And we need to know, moving away from things technical
1:10:50
Speaker 1: and energy related, which we will be talking about in
1:10:52
Speaker 1: this hour, politically speaking, and what was the did you
1:10:55
Speaker 1: test the pulse of the politics with the folks that
1:10:58
Speaker 1: you were surrounded by.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did you know? You you think of California, obviously,
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Speaker 2: you think of liberalism and progressiveness. And what really struck
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Speaker 2: me was most of these people that I interacted with,
1:11:10
Speaker 2: they have their feet firmly planted on the ground. Their realists,
1:11:14
Speaker 2: their capitalists, and you know, occasionally you'd get comments like,
1:11:19
Speaker 2: you know, gosh, I just I wish we had a
1:11:21
Speaker 2: third political party. I wish we had a party that
1:11:24
Speaker 2: stopped all the crazy and just started governing.
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Speaker 1: Weird, I know, right, a strange concept. And I suppose
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Speaker 1: I'd be curious to know with their view of what
1:11:34
Speaker 1: crazy is, because you know, I'm sitting here staring at
1:11:39
Speaker 1: what is a growing perceived by some to be viable platform,
1:11:44
Speaker 1: the d s A. And I want people to consider this.
1:11:48
Speaker 1: It's a thought exercise, folks. What I'm gonna say right now,
1:11:50
Speaker 1: so I want you to walk yourself through what the
1:11:52
Speaker 1: world would be like if they got what they wanted
1:11:55
Speaker 1: in terms of party platform. Abolishing prisons and abolishing the police, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean and borders right well, and borders too, which
1:12:03
Speaker 1: of course is going to compound the problems abolishing police
1:12:06
Speaker 1: and and and and prisons. But how could we possibly
1:12:09
Speaker 1: function in a world where there's no accountability for minding
1:12:13
Speaker 1: the law. Assaulting me what is no longer a crime.
1:12:17
Speaker 1: There's no mechanism to deal with the person who violated
1:12:20
Speaker 1: my rights. Do we live in a society with no rights?
1:12:22
Speaker 1: I mean that to me is crazy, batcrab crazy. So
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Speaker 1: I just one illustration of I guess what I want
1:12:29
Speaker 1: to know what these reasonably feed on the ground? Can
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Speaker 1: I say capitalists?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, one hundred percent. And that's part of the difference.
1:12:37
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, let's let's look around
1:12:39
Speaker 2: the world and show me a we don't even have
1:12:42
Speaker 2: to go to communist show me a single successful socialist government.
1:12:47
Speaker 2: The answer is there are none, but you know, hey,
1:12:50
Speaker 2: let's try it again. So yeah, no, there's not. And
1:12:54
Speaker 2: these these folks are well they're realists, right, and and
1:12:58
Speaker 2: they don't do the culture wars. They don't do you know,
1:13:01
Speaker 2: all the emotion. Somebody told me, Ah, I was out there,
1:13:04
Speaker 2: they kind of grant and said, well, you know, facts
1:13:05
Speaker 2: don't have emotion. See that's my view of life.
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Speaker 1: But there because they're yeah, I was just going to say,
1:13:11
Speaker 1: because they're employed in with really good jobs. They're well educated,
1:13:15
Speaker 1: and they've got jobs to do. Yeah, they don't have
1:13:18
Speaker 1: time to be engaging in nonsensical exercises like protests, and
1:13:22
Speaker 1: I suspect it. You know, maybe a large quantity of
1:13:25
Speaker 1: people that show with those protests just really don't have
1:13:27
Speaker 1: anything better to do.
1:13:28
Speaker 2: With their time. Well, and I suspect these folks that
1:13:30
Speaker 2: are working seventy hour weeks to your point, and they're
1:13:33
Speaker 2: working their butts off, and they want to be compensated
1:13:35
Speaker 2: for what they're doing.
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Speaker 1: The expectation within Nvidia, I imagine, is that you do
1:13:40
Speaker 1: put in seventy hour work weeks and they do pay
1:13:42
Speaker 1: you accordingly.
1:13:43
Speaker 2: I mean that's the.
1:13:43
Speaker 1: Way it was when you're practicing law in Chicago. I
1:13:46
Speaker 1: see it works seven six days a week, sometimes seven.
1:13:48
Speaker 1: You put in ten to fifteen hour days all the time.
1:13:51
Speaker 1: The partnership looked down and expected that from its young
1:13:54
Speaker 1: associates who hopefully someday would become partners, and they kind
1:13:58
Speaker 1: of in the back there was always that looming threat
1:14:00
Speaker 1: that well, if you don't continue to work that hard,
1:14:02
Speaker 1: you're not going to make it here. You worked that hard,
1:14:04
Speaker 1: it's just what you did.
1:14:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, for innovation and for startups, you
1:14:09
Speaker 2: need that. And Jensen Wong is kept in video which
1:14:11
Speaker 2: is now forty five thousand employees, relatively flat lot. Most
1:14:15
Speaker 2: people don't have titles, so they don't have offices. They
1:14:18
Speaker 2: work in large spaces together and they don't call each
1:14:21
Speaker 2: other sir or mister vice president. It's they just get
1:14:26
Speaker 2: it done.
1:14:26
Speaker 1: Get it done, all right. So in video the prime
1:14:29
Speaker 1: and we moved on to politics away from energy. Your
1:14:32
Speaker 1: your main reason for visiting in video was was to
1:14:34
Speaker 1: what end breaking the gown?
1:14:36
Speaker 2: So we took a group of Hudson scholars out there
1:14:39
Speaker 2: to better understand both the US chip manufacturing as well
1:14:43
Speaker 2: as Chinese manufacturing, the competition for AI, the concerns over
1:14:49
Speaker 2: data centers, memory really and for me it was really
1:14:54
Speaker 2: exciting because the number one limitation that a lot of
1:14:57
Speaker 2: these folks are feeling is energy. And that's a US problem,
1:15:01
Speaker 2: not a Chinese problem.
1:15:02
Speaker 1: Well, and it's particularly a California problem more so than
1:15:05
Speaker 1: many other states because they have you know, Green New
1:15:08
Speaker 1: Deal and carbon offset themselves into a position where they
1:15:12
Speaker 1: well are closed down oil story, gasoline production, refineries, They
1:15:18
Speaker 1: get rid of the refineries, they demonize the oil and
1:15:20
Speaker 1: gas industry, they pull up the strings and they move out.
1:15:23
Speaker 1: There's no production, and of course the price everything goes
1:15:25
Speaker 1: up that on top of the heavy taxation they have
1:15:27
Speaker 1: against things, well, fossil fuel.
1:15:29
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And if you know, California didn't look at redistribution
1:15:34
Speaker 2: of wealth, didn't look at climate change and all these
1:15:37
Speaker 2: other subjective factors, their electricity would be a lot lower. Great,
1:15:42
Speaker 2: you want solar, great, you want wind, great. But when
1:15:45
Speaker 2: you start picking winners and losers, and you start demonizing
1:15:48
Speaker 2: others and holding your preferred preference as a holy grail,
1:15:53
Speaker 2: it has an impact on prices, clearly a huge impact.
1:15:58
Speaker 1: Well, and are I guess in video that they're in
1:16:01
Speaker 1: the manufacturing business.
1:16:03
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is they designed. They're in the
1:16:05
Speaker 2: hardware and software business, but they don't actually make any
1:16:08
Speaker 2: of their own stuff. Oh they don't. They don't. I
1:16:10
Speaker 2: didn't realize that either until I got out there. No fabrication,
1:16:14
Speaker 2: it's all through third party partners.
1:16:16
Speaker 1: So in Vidia as a company itself isn't really struggling
1:16:19
Speaker 1: with an energy issue.
1:16:21
Speaker 2: They're not, but obviously their chips use a lot of energy,
1:16:24
Speaker 2: and they are focused on each new generation every two
1:16:27
Speaker 2: years of reducing both the energy and cooling that is required,
1:16:31
Speaker 2: because that's a huge issue.
1:16:34
Speaker 1: So and that's where the design work comes in which
1:16:36
Speaker 1: they ultimately then pass along to a third party manufacturer.
1:16:39
Speaker 2: They do, they take so the third party is building
1:16:41
Speaker 2: in Vidia chips, right, and we get to we remember them.
1:16:44
Speaker 2: I remember them as a graphics company, right, that's where
1:16:47
Speaker 2: they build your graphics card. Well, now they produce sexual
1:16:51
Speaker 2: CPUs and GPUs and everything that you need to really
1:16:55
Speaker 2: crunch big data. And where are those chips manufactured in
1:17:00
Speaker 2: the US? In Asia, in Japan and Taiwan all over? Okay,
1:17:05
Speaker 2: multiple manufacturing facilities?
1:17:07
Speaker 3: All right?
1:17:07
Speaker 1: Is this subject to issues with the Chinese Communist Party
1:17:10
Speaker 1: in terms of stealing technology and the availability of these
1:17:12
Speaker 1: types of chips for their use.
1:17:14
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean is there's some debate right there because
1:17:18
Speaker 2: we didn't allow our better chips to go to China.
1:17:22
Speaker 2: And I agree with that. But what it's caused is
1:17:25
Speaker 2: China has within five or six years, they've built their
1:17:28
Speaker 2: own domestic industry, and some of it is through their
1:17:32
Speaker 2: own hard work, and some of it is through stealing
1:17:34
Speaker 2: our stuff.
1:17:35
Speaker 1: We know that is a huge problem. Hacking and the
1:17:37
Speaker 1: stealing of our intellectual property happens a lot in the
1:17:44
Speaker 1: military realm too. Doesn't it bring them a gown?
1:17:45
Speaker 2: Yes it does.
1:17:46
Speaker 1: Yes, it does well. Let's pivot away from the issues
1:17:49
Speaker 1: in California and the wild success and VideA is and
1:17:51
Speaker 1: the fact that we do have capitalist stealing out in
1:17:53
Speaker 1: California to Ohio's electricity challenge. This is a huge topic
1:17:58
Speaker 1: coming up in November, the fight again artificial intelligence, data centers,
1:18:01
Speaker 1: and on and on and on, but the ever growing
1:18:04
Speaker 1: demand and need for more electricity as well as infrastructure.
1:18:08
Speaker 1: We are way behind on infrastructure as well. I know
1:18:10
Speaker 1: vvig Ramaswami spoke about the need for well streamlining processes
1:18:14
Speaker 1: and allowing for and inviting in cheaper energy here in Ohio.
1:18:18
Speaker 1: I welcome that as a concept. Can we bring it
1:18:20
Speaker 1: about more with Hudson Institute's Brigham account or energy policy expert.
1:18:24
Speaker 1: After I mentioned Chimney Care fireplace and stove old school
1:18:28
Speaker 1: warmth coming from a fireplace that talk State seventy twenty
1:18:32
Speaker 1: thick abou KRC, they talk station Brian Thomas with Brigha
1:18:34
Speaker 1: McGowan from the Hudson Institute. He is here in studio
1:18:38
Speaker 1: Hudson dot orgs where you find that organization. Just go
1:18:40
Speaker 1: directly to Brigham when you want to talk about energy policy,
1:18:42
Speaker 1: which is what we're diving on into today, let's pivot
1:18:44
Speaker 1: over to Ohio. Big issues with Ohio. Price of energy
1:18:47
Speaker 1: is going up. Have you noticed that, Brigha McGall and
1:18:49
Speaker 1: the price and Duke has just applied for a four
1:18:51
Speaker 1: percent rate increase for the Public Utilities Commission, And I
1:18:54
Speaker 1: guarantee you they're going to get that approval.
1:18:56
Speaker 2: My last month's bill, you was your bill last month up?
1:19:01
Speaker 2: Mine was up a lot. Yeah, they have been since
1:19:04
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year. Yeah.
1:19:05
Speaker 7: Me.
1:19:06
Speaker 1: Anyway, I've never seen bills as big as I've gotten, Yes, Smith,
1:19:09
Speaker 1: with all things being equal, temperatures looking backward, Yeah.
1:19:13
Speaker 2: You know it's interesting to me and off air, I
1:19:17
Speaker 2: showed you a chart that Ohio electric prices are up
1:19:20
Speaker 2: substantially more than the surrounding states.
1:19:23
Speaker 1: Why why might that be here in Ohio as opposed
1:19:26
Speaker 1: to you know, Pennsylvania.
1:19:27
Speaker 2: Well, part of it is, let's see what has been
1:19:30
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania's up seventeen, but we're up twenty percent. West Virginia
1:19:33
Speaker 2: plus four, Kentucky minus three, Indiana plus one. Why is that? Well,
1:19:39
Speaker 2: we're a victim of our own success. I mean, you know,
1:19:41
Speaker 2: the governor has made a priority of reindustrializing, bringing industry
1:19:46
Speaker 2: back to Ohio. They all require large amounts of electricity.
1:19:51
Speaker 2: So it's beyond AI.
1:19:53
Speaker 1: We're talking about just manufacturing generally speaking, and people throw
1:19:56
Speaker 1: this out all the time. One artifacial intelligence centers use
1:19:58
Speaker 1: enough electricity for you know, ten thousand homes a day
1:20:01
Speaker 1: or whatever. But then you look at the factory next door,
1:20:03
Speaker 1: and if you look at how much power consumption they have,
1:20:05
Speaker 1: it's actually a lot more than the data center would
1:20:07
Speaker 1: it would would would use, like some big welding manufacturing
1:20:11
Speaker 1: might be a smelter or whatever, come up with their
1:20:13
Speaker 1: own energy heavy or energy intensive manufacturing. So the success
1:20:19
Speaker 1: you're referring to is the demand on the on the
1:20:21
Speaker 1: electric grid because of more business in Ohio.
1:20:25
Speaker 2: Yes, so we're a victim of our own success because
1:20:27
Speaker 2: for years electricity demand was fairly flat. And then remember
1:20:31
Speaker 2: during a previous administration they wanted to electrify everything. Toss
1:20:36
Speaker 2: out that gas water here, test, toss out this, toss
1:20:39
Speaker 2: out that electrify everything. Demand started growing and then you
1:20:43
Speaker 2: had AI, which to be fair that that that caused
1:20:47
Speaker 2: a huge spike in demand. And then the reindustrialization bringing
1:20:51
Speaker 2: businesses back, chip manufacturers, advanced industries, welding shops, all of it.
1:20:56
Speaker 2: Demand is out growing supply or growing more quickly than supply,
1:21:01
Speaker 2: and we're in an electricity crunch. And then, Brian, you
1:21:05
Speaker 2: put on top of it the early retirement of power
1:21:09
Speaker 2: plants that didn't meet certain strict criteria of another administration.
1:21:14
Speaker 2: We are dropping generation capacity, and we knew we were
1:21:20
Speaker 2: going to have a crunch through the well twenty twenties,
1:21:23
Speaker 2: and have not.
1:21:24
Speaker 1: We learned a lesson from the European Union, for God's sake,
1:21:27
Speaker 1: apparently not. Now they closed down nuclear plants that were
1:21:29
Speaker 1: fully functional and consistently providing electricity twenty four to seven
1:21:34
Speaker 1: without the wind or the sunshining. They put up windmills
1:21:37
Speaker 1: and solar farms, and now their economies come into a
1:21:40
Speaker 1: screeching halt.
1:21:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they are reversing course finally and slowly. But
1:21:44
Speaker 2: you're right, it's kind of painful. And you know, this
1:21:46
Speaker 2: is sort of the viewpoint embraced by some Americans, and
1:21:52
Speaker 2: the last administration also is let's get rid of coal,
1:21:56
Speaker 2: let's shut everything down. Don't worry that will cause pressure,
1:22:00
Speaker 2: and they will figure it out. It's the reverse of
1:22:03
Speaker 2: if you build it, they will come. And honestly, good
1:22:06
Speaker 2: policy says great, you want to retire higher emission plants.
1:22:10
Speaker 2: That's cool. You don't turn that off until the new
1:22:12
Speaker 2: stuff is online. Thanks Brigham. That's a seemingly obvious point
1:22:16
Speaker 2: to be made. You don't need to be an expert,
1:22:18
Speaker 2: right to nope, to figure that out. But yet apparently
1:22:21
Speaker 2: you do because this was intentional poor public policy decisions
1:22:26
Speaker 2: over the last ten.
1:22:26
Speaker 1: Years intentional indeed intentional. Yeah, and so what's the fairest
1:22:30
Speaker 1: reason behind it? Could it be that they don't like success,
1:22:33
Speaker 1: They don't like to see consumption, They don't like to
1:22:36
Speaker 1: see more and better in terms of because a better
1:22:40
Speaker 1: life is in most cases, by people's objective perception, better
1:22:45
Speaker 1: equals more consumption.
1:22:47
Speaker 2: It does. And if you read some of the reports,
1:22:50
Speaker 2: and speaking of California, California System put out a report
1:22:53
Speaker 2: on this a few years ago. They admit right in it, Hey,
1:22:56
Speaker 2: you need to use a bicycle, you need to get
1:22:58
Speaker 2: a smaller house, you can't use as much electricity. That's
1:23:03
Speaker 2: that's what they were going for.
1:23:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the creeping government control over all elements of
1:23:09
Speaker 1: our lives. If you live in a free society, you
1:23:11
Speaker 1: might want to build all, I don't know, a four
1:23:13
Speaker 1: thousand square foot house and have a big yard.
1:23:17
Speaker 2: Right in their in their.
1:23:19
Speaker 1: Vision of what is utopia, you will be, you will
1:23:21
Speaker 1: take what you are allocated.
1:23:24
Speaker 2: Period. So it is the viewpoint of scarcity versus the
1:23:29
Speaker 2: viewpoint of plentiful. Right, it is a it is a
1:23:35
Speaker 2: is a poor mindset quite well.
1:23:37
Speaker 1: The point I guess the nefarious reality is, and it's
1:23:39
Speaker 1: for them, it's not nefarious. Where you have an abundance
1:23:42
Speaker 1: of power, you have an abundance of what you and
1:23:44
Speaker 1: I might logically consider prosperity. Let's just call it prosperity,
1:23:48
Speaker 1: which usually equals consumption, none of which they want. So
1:23:51
Speaker 1: because we have an abundance, we need to take away
1:23:54
Speaker 1: the abundance. Let's create a problem where there isn't one.
1:23:57
Speaker 1: Let's take away the solution that has worked so well,
1:24:00
Speaker 1: because the solution continues us down the same path of well,
1:24:04
Speaker 1: in their mind again, consumption.
1:24:06
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:24:06
Speaker 2: And I don't know why we have to push people
1:24:08
Speaker 2: down instead of raising people up or out right, this
1:24:11
Speaker 2: was the traditional Reaganism, like bringing people up, not pushing
1:24:15
Speaker 2: people down. And that's if you think of it from
1:24:17
Speaker 2: a macro level, that's really what this is about.
1:24:20
Speaker 1: They don't want to raise people up though, Brigham, that's
1:24:22
Speaker 1: the thing. Why not uh, becing everybody along right, Trust me,
1:24:29
Speaker 1: I'm aware I don't get their mindset, but you know again,
1:24:32
Speaker 1: they're the ones that have taken this ridiculous leap of
1:24:34
Speaker 1: faith that the powers that be can tell us how
1:24:37
Speaker 1: to live our lives and what we're allowed to have
1:24:39
Speaker 1: and not have, and we're all going to be comfortably
1:24:40
Speaker 1: happy with because you know what, nobody's got more than
1:24:43
Speaker 1: what the government has allocated anyone. It's equality, it's misery
1:24:47
Speaker 1: equally distributed misery from government when it doesn't have to
1:24:50
Speaker 1: be that way. We continue down the same path we've got. Hey, look,
1:24:53
Speaker 1: nuclear plants produce an abundance of power that works. Oh no,
1:24:57
Speaker 1: we can't have that like three Mile Island or Chernobyl
1:25:01
Speaker 1: or something. Seven twenty six. We'll continue with Briga mcgow.
1:25:03
Speaker 1: We've got more to talk about about a hio energy
1:25:04
Speaker 1: policy of course, first though, Oh speaking of things, Electric consertation.
1:25:11
Speaker 2: Seventh thirty one.
1:25:12
Speaker 1: If you do have kcdy Talks station in. His name's
1:25:14
Speaker 1: Brigha McAllan. He's with Hudsoners too. He's an energy policy
1:25:17
Speaker 1: expert and we talk energy matters in today's in studio
1:25:20
Speaker 1: for a full hour to talk about Ohio's energy problems,
1:25:23
Speaker 1: springing from his trip to California. We kind of went
1:25:25
Speaker 1: over that, but also the artificial intelligence centers. We do
1:25:29
Speaker 1: have a challenge with electricity demands, he pointed out. And
1:25:32
Speaker 1: it's a great thing that our electric bills have gone off,
1:25:35
Speaker 1: at least in sizable part because of the success of
1:25:38
Speaker 1: bringing manufacturing back to Ohio.
1:25:40
Speaker 2: But Brigham, you know it, I know it. Nobody can
1:25:42
Speaker 2: deny it.
1:25:43
Speaker 1: Our state has I guess one of the highest concentrations
1:25:46
Speaker 1: of these data centers are we have sort of like
1:25:48
Speaker 1: number four on the list of data centers in the country.
1:25:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are. And data centers want to go to
1:25:54
Speaker 2: where you know, you have a smart population, where there's land,
1:25:57
Speaker 2: where there is available electricity, where there is walk her
1:26:01
Speaker 2: and because you know AI data centers, part of the
1:26:04
Speaker 2: big demand is in cooling. And I'm sure Dave hadd
1:26:06
Speaker 2: could talk more about this better than I probably can.
1:26:09
Speaker 2: But that's one. You know, data centers don't come without
1:26:14
Speaker 2: detractors and without downsides, all right, And all.
1:26:16
Speaker 1: Those data centers that have been thus far built presumably
1:26:19
Speaker 1: did not bring with them their own electricity generation.
1:26:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now to What could help us in Ohio
1:26:27
Speaker 2: is PJAM, which is an acronym for the regional electric
1:26:31
Speaker 2: grid operator. And we have about I don't know eight
1:26:34
Speaker 2: or twelve of these grid operators around the country whose
1:26:37
Speaker 2: job is to balance demand with supply. They've pretty much said, Hey,
1:26:42
Speaker 2: if you're coming to anywhere in our service territory, which
1:26:45
Speaker 2: is Virginia to Michigan, you're going to have to bring
1:26:48
Speaker 2: your own power because we are trying to build capacity,
1:26:52
Speaker 2: but that capacity is lagging demand for the reasons we
1:26:57
Speaker 2: talked about in the last segment.
1:26:58
Speaker 1: All right, and I I gave you an article which
1:27:01
Speaker 1: I saw the other day. I think it was I
1:27:05
Speaker 1: can't remember which way I pulled it. I think it
1:27:06
Speaker 1: was the New York Post. Anyway, inside the next gen
1:27:10
Speaker 1: nuclear power revolution in Idaho's desert, high tech developers and
1:27:13
Speaker 1: hyperscalars are financing nuclear or renaissance and will mass produce
1:27:18
Speaker 1: portable reactors, not next decade, next year. That's the sub headline.
1:27:23
Speaker 1: And when I read the article, I was delighted that
1:27:26
Speaker 1: there are so many i'll call them startup companies. They
1:27:29
Speaker 1: may have been around for a long time, but building
1:27:31
Speaker 1: these almost from scratch, small modular reactors designed to be
1:27:35
Speaker 1: built in large quantities, identical each of them, each one
1:27:39
Speaker 1: of the ones discussed in the article, and I think
1:27:40
Speaker 1: they mentioned like six or ten of them or something
1:27:43
Speaker 1: individually developed, all of them created like within eighteen months
1:27:47
Speaker 1: or less, and online, generating vast quantities of electricity in
1:27:51
Speaker 1: about unless in about a year year and a half
1:27:55
Speaker 1: start to finish, and they work. And they've been putting
1:27:58
Speaker 1: these things in submarine means in battleships now since the
1:28:01
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties.
1:28:02
Speaker 2: This is easy to do.
1:28:04
Speaker 1: So when you say bring your power with you, there
1:28:08
Speaker 1: is an answer to that demand or obligation. The problem
1:28:12
Speaker 1: is our government and the regulations won't allow that next step,
1:28:16
Speaker 1: in other words, putting the power online.
1:28:19
Speaker 2: Yes, now, I do think perceptions have changed, right, We've
1:28:24
Speaker 2: moved beyond nuclear power plants that were designed in the
1:28:30
Speaker 2: fifties building the sixties that have had issues three Mile Island, Chernobyl,
1:28:34
Speaker 2: et cetera.
1:28:35
Speaker 1: This isn't nineteen seventy or nineteen six.
1:28:38
Speaker 2: Now we learn from all that. Yes, yeah, yeah, but
1:28:42
Speaker 2: you know how it works, the precautionary principle and people
1:28:45
Speaker 2: that are you know, we're if you want to stop something,
1:28:50
Speaker 2: you lead with emotion, right, of course, but look what
1:28:53
Speaker 2: happened or we tried that in the nineteen eighties. You have,
1:28:57
Speaker 2: but that's not how the world operates, right, it's not.
1:28:59
Speaker 1: And also we used to believe in the idea that
1:29:01
Speaker 1: we were going to run out of oil. Well you
1:29:04
Speaker 1: know what, technology change that dynamic pretty dramatically too, didn't it.
1:29:07
Speaker 2: It sure did. I fell over some barrels trying to
1:29:09
Speaker 2: get in the building. They're everywhere, They're everywhere, And so
1:29:12
Speaker 2: to your point, yeah, things have changed a lot. And
1:29:15
Speaker 2: the current advanced Gen Gen four reactors that we're building
1:29:19
Speaker 2: today they are nothing, nothing like the old reactors. They're
1:29:24
Speaker 2: far safer. Do you know that we have a rule
1:29:27
Speaker 2: dating back to the Carter administration because we're concerned about
1:29:30
Speaker 2: nuclear proliferation, that we're not allowed to recycle spent uranium
1:29:36
Speaker 2: coming out of our own reactors.
1:29:38
Speaker 1: And now they're using that to power as a source
1:29:41
Speaker 1: of power.
1:29:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so waste, yes the way, so we can
1:29:45
Speaker 2: recycle all of this, we don't have to store it.
1:29:48
Speaker 2: We can get around a lot of the issues that
1:29:51
Speaker 2: people want to raise up from thirty years ago.
1:29:53
Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing I've read about these SMRs
1:29:55
Speaker 1: and the new modern nuclear power is that there really
1:29:59
Speaker 1: is is little to no waist anyhow.
1:30:02
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's right. The fuel is even different, the
1:30:05
Speaker 2: way their run is different. Yeah, and you raised a
1:30:08
Speaker 2: very valid point. What we're trying to do is create
1:30:10
Speaker 2: something that could be carried on the back of an
1:30:12
Speaker 2: eighteen wheeler. You license it, and then you don't change it.
1:30:16
Speaker 2: Because this is the other problem. There are no two
1:30:18
Speaker 2: reactors in the United States that are identical. Each one
1:30:21
Speaker 2: has to be separately licensed by the NRC, who apparently
1:30:25
Speaker 2: has spent most of their life trying not to license
1:30:28
Speaker 2: a new reactor.
1:30:30
Speaker 1: So we get so one off custom manufacturer's like going
1:30:33
Speaker 1: out and getting the bespoke suit. They're going to measure you,
1:30:35
Speaker 1: they're going to make the suit for you, and that's
1:30:37
Speaker 1: the only one they're going to make. Yeah, that's a
1:30:39
Speaker 1: stupid way of looking at this one we have and
1:30:41
Speaker 1: I get again go to the SMRs in this article,
1:30:43
Speaker 1: among with like all of the other material out there,
1:30:46
Speaker 1: they're built one size does fit all.
1:30:48
Speaker 2: They're like legos, Yes, and you can plug them together
1:30:51
Speaker 2: and what we call scaleable.
1:30:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:30:53
Speaker 2: So just like remember the old battery experiments. You could
1:30:55
Speaker 2: take batteries and oh, are they in parallel or Cereal.
1:30:59
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. So you need more power, another
1:31:03
Speaker 2: truck shows up. Done.
1:31:05
Speaker 1: It's that simple.
1:31:05
Speaker 2: It is that simple, and it's available right now as
1:31:08
Speaker 2: we speak.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: Going back to my point, the only thing standing in
1:31:11
Speaker 1: the way of of AI centers, artificial intelligence and data
1:31:15
Speaker 1: centers and anything else that needs this kind of demand,
1:31:17
Speaker 1: they can bring it with them. We have the technology,
1:31:20
Speaker 1: we have the ability, except we have the regulatory burdens
1:31:23
Speaker 1: and impediments that standing away from that quick, simple solution.
1:31:28
Speaker 2: Yes, and at least the current administration is trying to
1:31:30
Speaker 2: remove a lot of those.
1:31:31
Speaker 1: So we'll see, we'll see. You know, government reform, we
1:31:35
Speaker 1: know it's not easy concept. Yeah, don't go away more
1:31:38
Speaker 1: with Brigamagawan. It's seven thirty seven right now, a fifty
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Speaker 1: Seven fifty five KRCD talk station talking energy policy with
1:31:49
Speaker 1: our energy policy expert Brigha McGowan from the Hudson Institute Brigham.
1:31:54
Speaker 1: I guess one of the things that you and I
1:31:55
Speaker 1: have not discussed, because we were speaking about nuclear the
1:31:59
Speaker 1: technological chaunges I think have been overcome with small modular reactors.
1:32:02
Speaker 2: Boiling it down.
1:32:03
Speaker 1: There are multitudes of these different types out on the market.
1:32:06
Speaker 1: They're all as big as or even a lot smaller
1:32:08
Speaker 1: than a shipping container. They're one size fits all, so
1:32:11
Speaker 1: you can manufacture multiples, you know, over time, you don't
1:32:14
Speaker 1: have to have specific regulations or approvals for each individual
1:32:18
Speaker 1: nuclear plant project like we do now. There was one
1:32:21
Speaker 1: company cited in this article that I was so taken
1:32:23
Speaker 1: with that was planning on by the end of the
1:32:25
Speaker 1: decade to be able to produce maybe up to ten
1:32:28
Speaker 1: thousand of these reactors annually as a product as production.
1:32:32
Speaker 1: Now they're small. You know, one might generate enough power
1:32:35
Speaker 1: for five thousand homes. But given how small they are,
1:32:39
Speaker 1: and as you pointed out, you can put them together
1:32:41
Speaker 1: in its series and then it's ten thousand or fifteen thousand,
1:32:45
Speaker 1: depending on how many you buy. We haven't talked about
1:32:48
Speaker 1: the cost.
1:32:50
Speaker 3: You know.
1:32:50
Speaker 1: One of the impediments under the old model one size
1:32:54
Speaker 1: doesn't fit all, each of them bespoke to any given region,
1:32:58
Speaker 1: is they came with multiple billion dollar price tags. I mean,
1:33:02
Speaker 1: I have to imagine given the size and the manufacturing
1:33:06
Speaker 1: ability for these small reactors, the price has to be
1:33:08
Speaker 1: dramatically lower.
1:33:11
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it is, and you know that's been one
1:33:16
Speaker 2: of the big debates. A small modular reactor typical size
1:33:20
Speaker 2: is fifty to three hundred megawatts, whereas a large reactor,
1:33:25
Speaker 2: you're talking about something that is, you know, five to
1:33:29
Speaker 2: ten times that size, So you get five to ten
1:33:32
Speaker 2: times the price. And they can't more, yes, and they
1:33:36
Speaker 2: can they can't. Yes.
1:33:38
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:33:39
Speaker 2: In fact, the latest full size nuclear reactor that went
1:33:43
Speaker 2: online down in the southeast, first new reactor to come
1:33:47
Speaker 2: online in decades, ended up costing two or three times
1:33:52
Speaker 2: its original component. Now some of that is self inflicted,
1:33:55
Speaker 2: of course, it is inflation. Some of that is just
1:33:58
Speaker 2: taking too long, but litigation, Yeah, it is easier to
1:34:03
Speaker 2: build the smaller ones and then add as you go.
1:34:06
Speaker 2: And then we have micro reactors, which are even smaller
1:34:09
Speaker 2: than a small modular reactor, which could bring reliable power
1:34:13
Speaker 2: to remote villages, military bases, et cetera. Let's give ge credit.
1:34:17
Speaker 1: They have jet engines that they've converted into electric generation plants,
1:34:23
Speaker 1: mini electric plants. They're awesome. I had a buddy of
1:34:27
Speaker 1: mine that used to go around the world installing these
1:34:29
Speaker 1: things in little villages and sometimes quite often funded by
1:34:33
Speaker 1: drug dealers who wanted the local community to be very
1:34:35
Speaker 1: happy and have lots of power. So the local communities
1:34:38
Speaker 1: embraced the drug dealers who could afford to buy these
1:34:40
Speaker 1: little power generation plants made them all happier improve their lifestyle.
1:34:45
Speaker 1: But then again, they had to at least recognize that
1:34:47
Speaker 1: the drug dealers were in the neighborhood.
1:34:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true. And you know, the truth is,
1:34:53
Speaker 2: we do need a little bit of all the above.
1:34:56
Speaker 2: We need different It's not like a toolbox where a
1:35:00
Speaker 2: hammer can do everything. You need different tools for the job.
1:35:02
Speaker 2: But for the vast majority of applications, nuclear power gives
1:35:07
Speaker 2: you the cheapest kilowatt per hour electric cost over the
1:35:11
Speaker 2: long haul. It's just that if you want to build.
1:35:14
Speaker 2: You know, in Ohio we're thinking about going back and
1:35:16
Speaker 2: allowing the utilities to once again get into the generation business. Well,
1:35:22
Speaker 2: you know, you can spend twelve to fifteen billion dollars
1:35:25
Speaker 2: to build a single plant. That could threaten a lot
1:35:28
Speaker 2: of company's balance sheets, of course, but it doesn't have
1:35:31
Speaker 2: to be that way, correct Now. The problem Okay, I'm
1:35:35
Speaker 2: a fan of evak Ramaswami. He is the kind of
1:35:37
Speaker 2: guy who would embrace this technology. He wants to bring
1:35:40
Speaker 2: cheap energy to Ohio, and I think he's all of
1:35:42
Speaker 2: the above strategy type of guy from everything I've heard
1:35:44
Speaker 2: from him.
1:35:45
Speaker 1: Where's the problem? If there was a governor of the
1:35:48
Speaker 1: state of Ohio who could ignore the legislative process, wave
1:35:51
Speaker 1: a magic wand or sign an executive order declaring that
1:35:54
Speaker 1: there is no longer any regulatory impediment to let's say,
1:35:59
Speaker 1: pick my top small module reactors AI. You bring your own,
1:36:02
Speaker 1: We're going to make it easy for you to do it. Oh,
1:36:05
Speaker 1: he still couldn't do it. We got the federal government.
1:36:07
Speaker 1: That's the main problem, isn't it.
1:36:08
Speaker 2: Brigham. That's true. You've got the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the NRC,
1:36:12
Speaker 2: which took over for the Atomic Energy Association, and you know,
1:36:18
Speaker 2: traditionally they have taken a very cautious outlook of moving forward,
1:36:23
Speaker 2: which has constrained us. Now it's kept us safe, right,
1:36:25
Speaker 2: we haven't had a nuclear incident. We weren't going to
1:36:28
Speaker 2: have a nuclear incident, especially after changes to reactor designs
1:36:33
Speaker 2: after Three Mile Island. But now the current five commissioners
1:36:39
Speaker 2: are trying to move forward much more quickly with approvals, which.
1:36:46
Speaker 1: Is unlike the prior administration.
1:36:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be fair, unlike almost all of the
1:36:53
Speaker 2: previous Yeah.
1:36:55
Speaker 1: Well, because technology has given us the actual I mean,
1:36:58
Speaker 1: there's a light right there. I mean we can almost
1:37:01
Speaker 1: reach out and put our hand.
1:37:02
Speaker 2: Into the sunlight.
1:37:03
Speaker 1: Yes, it's that last mile or feet that we have
1:37:06
Speaker 1: to go in terms of removing these barriers that have
1:37:09
Speaker 1: been in place for so damn long.
1:37:10
Speaker 2: But that would be like the Department of Transportation saying, well,
1:37:14
Speaker 2: I know you've got a brand new Mustang, but I'm
1:37:18
Speaker 2: regulating you in accordance with what the sixty six Mustang
1:37:21
Speaker 2: could do.
1:37:22
Speaker 1: There you go, And that's and some of those rules
1:37:24
Speaker 1: still they do exist. Bringing out there, We'll do one
1:37:27
Speaker 1: more and we'll catch ourselves as a crimestopper. Bad guy
1:37:29
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1:37:32
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1:37:34
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1:37:39
Speaker 1: and you do some concluding thoughts. But before we do that,
1:37:41
Speaker 1: mister energy policy expert, he also I have to remind
1:37:44
Speaker 1: folks Charged Conversations. That's his podcast produced by the One
1:37:49
Speaker 1: and only producer of podcast, Joseph Strecker Charge Conversations. Wherever
1:37:53
Speaker 1: you find your podcast, you can find what Brigham has
1:37:55
Speaker 1: to talk about, and it's a worthy endeavor to do that.
1:37:58
Speaker 1: You haven't done one for a little while.
1:37:59
Speaker 2: But we've had a little bit of a summer break.
1:38:02
Speaker 2: But Joe, we're going to be on it quickly. Here
1:38:05
Speaker 2: there you go, So a new one coming up very soon.
1:38:07
Speaker 2: Concluding thoughts.
1:38:09
Speaker 1: You had mentioned, I said, well, we need to focus
1:38:12
Speaker 1: people's attention on the federal government the rules and regulations
1:38:14
Speaker 1: which impede the creation of power generation. But you made
1:38:19
Speaker 1: another point off air. It's worse than just the impediments
1:38:22
Speaker 1: with the power generation. It's also just building anything it is.
1:38:26
Speaker 2: It is the regulatory framework, as we say in Washington, DC,
1:38:31
Speaker 2: creates substantial lag because, if you think about it, regulations
1:38:34
Speaker 2: are designed to slow things down. Hey let's be sure,
1:38:38
Speaker 2: let's be safe, let's speak cautious, and changing regulations can
1:38:42
Speaker 2: take years, and in this case, we have permitting laws
1:38:47
Speaker 2: that date back to the sixties and seventies, largely that
1:38:52
Speaker 2: require us to analyze everything to death. It takes longer
1:38:57
Speaker 2: to build a new transmission line than it did to
1:39:00
Speaker 2: win World War Two. It takes longer to build a
1:39:02
Speaker 2: pipeline than it did to go to the moon. This
1:39:05
Speaker 2: has got to stop because we don't have time to
1:39:09
Speaker 2: take ten to twelve years to figure out whether to
1:39:12
Speaker 2: build something. And if the answer is don't build it, fine,
1:39:14
Speaker 2: But it doesn't take twelve years to get there.
1:39:16
Speaker 1: Well, no question about that. But see, that's the other
1:39:19
Speaker 1: nefarious element we've got here. I keep thinking about the
1:39:22
Speaker 1: availability of the electricity, at least in terms of its generation.
1:39:27
Speaker 1: You know, in the back of my head, I'm always thinking, well,
1:39:28
Speaker 1: it's always going to arrive at my house. But we
1:39:31
Speaker 1: are way behind in our grid. The transmission lines themselves
1:39:34
Speaker 1: are in desperate need of upgrading an expansion we are.
1:39:38
Speaker 2: And then the questions who pays for that? Do the
1:39:40
Speaker 2: hyperscalers pay for that? Do the data centers pay for that?
1:39:43
Speaker 2: Do we all pay for that? Is a little bit
1:39:46
Speaker 2: of a mixed bag. I mean, look, I live in
1:39:47
Speaker 2: an area where it storms and I lose power every
1:39:50
Speaker 2: single time. That shouldn't happen in this day and age.
1:39:53
Speaker 1: Well, in one of the arguments I guess against artificial
1:39:55
Speaker 1: intelligence data centers, even if they bring their own power.
1:39:58
Speaker 1: Municipalities typically with new construction will be the ones responsible
1:40:02
Speaker 1: for bringing the utilities to the building, right, which would
1:40:06
Speaker 1: be sewer, water and then also electricity lines.
1:40:10
Speaker 2: Yes, although I do think a lot of the developers
1:40:14
Speaker 2: pay have should be paying a portion of that, right, Oh,
1:40:18
Speaker 2: no question about it. That's yes, there is a requirement
1:40:21
Speaker 2: to provide service, but you know a lot of these
1:40:24
Speaker 2: smaller towns they just don't have You just don't have
1:40:26
Speaker 2: the money to do that. And so also, which is
1:40:29
Speaker 2: I guess the.
1:40:30
Speaker 1: Answer to people who don't want it in their neighborhood. Listen,
1:40:32
Speaker 1: if you neighborhood can't afford provide that kind of stuff,
1:40:34
Speaker 1: that means the data center itself is going to have
1:40:36
Speaker 1: to bring all that stuff and pay for it themselves.
1:40:38
Speaker 1: Your cost element is sort of taken out of the equation.
1:40:41
Speaker 2: It is, and sometimes in our zealousness to bring new things,
1:40:44
Speaker 2: we offer all these taxi base rights, which is actually
1:40:47
Speaker 2: what's there to pay for the new infrastructure.
1:40:49
Speaker 7: Right.
1:40:49
Speaker 1: So that's my point on Yeah, the utilities being brought in,
1:40:53
Speaker 1: bringa mcalan. It's always interesting talking with you identifying the problems.
1:40:56
Speaker 1: I guess we have identified the enemy and they are
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Speaker 1: us ye eighth six here or fifty five car see
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Speaker 1: the talk station. Very happy Friday to you. Fund lines
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Speaker 1: are open if you like to call him. The topic
1:41:12
Speaker 1: you'd like to talk about haven't gotten too yet. Before
1:41:13
Speaker 1: we get to the bottom of the hour when we
1:41:15
Speaker 1: will be talking with Jack Windsor from the Isle Press,
1:41:17
Speaker 1: no work about the rapidly approaching election in November is
1:41:21
Speaker 1: down to like ninety seven days, ninety six days something
1:41:23
Speaker 1: along those lines.
1:41:24
Speaker 2: We need to get out and vote.
1:41:25
Speaker 1: Jack will touch on that, but we'll also talk about
1:41:27
Speaker 1: the ongoing war on data centers, one of the topics,
1:41:30
Speaker 1: of course, we touched upon with brighamccown in the last
1:41:32
Speaker 1: hour Energy policy expert. You know again going back to
1:41:35
Speaker 1: the enemy is us and you're screaming about the power
1:41:39
Speaker 1: demands on from these data centers. Absolutely, they exist, but
1:41:42
Speaker 1: they don't have to exist with a solution in front
1:41:45
Speaker 1: of us. It's available, it's sitting there. It's like it's
1:41:48
Speaker 1: it's on your table, and you just can't reach it
1:41:50
Speaker 1: because somebody's got is holding your arm and preventing you
1:41:54
Speaker 1: from grabbing a hold of it. And that sort of
1:41:59
Speaker 1: metal forical person is the federal government stopping us from
1:42:03
Speaker 1: improving our situation. The regulatory hurdles that we have put
1:42:07
Speaker 1: in place over the years are just onerous, to say
1:42:11
Speaker 1: the least. It's about as happy a pictures I can
1:42:13
Speaker 1: paint on it. So we really don't have a power problem,
1:42:18
Speaker 1: we have a regulation problem. I hate artificial intelligence, don't
1:42:22
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I wish we didn't have a need
1:42:24
Speaker 1: for data centers, but we do. And then that'll allow
1:42:28
Speaker 1: us to pivot over and talk about the Chinese Communist
1:42:30
Speaker 1: Party being behind all these efforts to stop the data
1:42:33
Speaker 1: centers from going in because they don't want the United
1:42:34
Speaker 1: States of America to have any of them before we
1:42:36
Speaker 1: get to them. By the Chinese Communist Party again, which
1:42:39
Speaker 1: does come up in the context of the Democratic Socialist
1:42:42
Speaker 1: of America. Yeah, they're linked at the HIPTOO. Why to
1:42:45
Speaker 1: report local story here? You know the Spectrum worker that
1:42:48
Speaker 1: was in the hospital the other day after it being
1:42:49
Speaker 1: shot in the neck yesterday morning. Prayers to the family
1:42:55
Speaker 1: that person has passed away. I'm sorry to hear that
1:43:00
Speaker 1: it doesn't apply to Bobby's five point five over and
1:43:03
Speaker 1: under for the weekend. For those regular listeners, they know
1:43:07
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about along those lines anyway, Pivoting over
1:43:12
Speaker 1: dsay Democrats, Socialism of America. And you know I asked
1:43:16
Speaker 1: out loud it for you to ponder a thought experiment. Okay,
1:43:18
Speaker 1: I just want you to think about it. They can
1:43:21
Speaker 1: call me up and expeculate what life might actually be.
1:43:23
Speaker 1: Remember what they are advocating for. On the d Essay
1:43:26
Speaker 1: side of the Ledger. Their party platform includes no borders,
1:43:29
Speaker 1: zero end of story, no borders.
1:43:31
Speaker 2: Now.
1:43:31
Speaker 1: Spain, up until like five seconds ago, was a big
1:43:33
Speaker 1: open border kind of time. They went at head and
1:43:38
Speaker 1: legitimized or otherwise I guess, allowed to become citizen one
1:43:42
Speaker 1: million people who were already in the country. And clearly
1:43:49
Speaker 1: that's something that the Democrats have been fighting for. They're
1:43:52
Speaker 1: not illegal, allow them to stay here and become naturalized,
1:43:56
Speaker 1: or give them green cars, give them work permits, to
1:43:59
Speaker 1: make I'm no longer eligible for deportation. That with Spain,
1:44:04
Speaker 1: I guess maybe up until yesterday when they got inundated
1:44:06
Speaker 1: with people flowing in from foreign lands and the thousands,
1:44:10
Speaker 1: and I laughed about it. They were talking about maybe
1:44:12
Speaker 1: more than eight thousand people pouring into the Spanish territory.
1:44:17
Speaker 1: I think it's called Suta and I thought eight thousand, Yeah,
1:44:22
Speaker 1: And there's you can see it. It's on social media everywhere.
1:44:25
Speaker 1: And they had to call out their version of the
1:44:27
Speaker 1: National Guard. They had to call in their version of
1:44:29
Speaker 1: the military. Formerly wide open borders, liberal socialist country they are.
1:44:34
Speaker 1: They were worried about not having enough people to keep
1:44:37
Speaker 1: their economy going down the road because apparently Spaniards aren't
1:44:40
Speaker 1: having children a Western concept. But eight thousand people and
1:44:47
Speaker 1: we were getting more more than that every single day
1:44:49
Speaker 1: at the southern border, weren't we all right? So dsa platform,
1:44:53
Speaker 1: no borders, So back to the Biden administration, except you
1:44:56
Speaker 1: won't have any fences and no border guards. There won't
1:44:59
Speaker 1: be any more immigration and some customs enforcement because there
1:45:01
Speaker 1: won't be any immigration doing force. There's no such thing
1:45:04
Speaker 1: as legal or illegal. Welcome and come on in. Also
1:45:10
Speaker 1: part of the platform, no police and no prisons. How
1:45:16
Speaker 1: will that work in practice, folks, because that's what they're
1:45:19
Speaker 1: asking for. And let's bring in the Chinese Communists Party.
1:45:27
Speaker 1: I saw this near a post article. You know, it
1:45:29
Speaker 1: doesn't shock me at all. And again, one of the
1:45:31
Speaker 1: things that the Chinese Communist Party is fomenting is a
1:45:34
Speaker 1: division in our country, and this idea and notion that
1:45:37
Speaker 1: we are unworthy to continue to exist as a country.
1:45:42
Speaker 1: Going back to the whole idea, you know, ignoring everything
1:45:44
Speaker 1: America has done in its two hundred and fifty years
1:45:47
Speaker 1: and focusing on everything bad about it that remains. Don't
1:45:50
Speaker 1: focus on what used to be bad that we eradicated
1:45:52
Speaker 1: and eliminated under this free system of government. Don't focus
1:45:55
Speaker 1: on the reflection and introspection that our country has gone
1:45:58
Speaker 1: through over twohunred and fifty years and seeing and changing
1:46:02
Speaker 1: bad things that we used to do and not doing
1:46:04
Speaker 1: them anymore. The amount of money that we pour out
1:46:07
Speaker 1: into the world, the number of lives that we saved,
1:46:09
Speaker 1: the number of pharmaceuticals that our country has allowed to
1:46:12
Speaker 1: create because we have a capitalist business model and there's
1:46:15
Speaker 1: financial incentive to give them to the world. We could
1:46:18
Speaker 1: go on and on for hours and years and look
1:46:22
Speaker 1: at all of the millions, probably of books that have
1:46:25
Speaker 1: been written on the American experiment. But no, no, no, no,
1:46:29
Speaker 1: you gotta foment anger against the United States of America.
1:46:33
Speaker 1: You got a jinnip It's population to hate the United
1:46:36
Speaker 1: States of America. You need to create something called the
1:46:38
Speaker 1: DSA whose platform literally is to eviscerate, eradicate, and get
1:46:43
Speaker 1: rid of the constitution and start from scratch, along with
1:46:45
Speaker 1: not having borders, police or prisons. But the Chinese are
1:46:50
Speaker 1: a okay now, don't lose sight of the people of China,
1:46:57
Speaker 1: and I feel sorry for most all of them, except
1:46:59
Speaker 1: the ones that embrace the Chinese Communist Party way of
1:47:01
Speaker 1: doing business.
1:47:02
Speaker 2: What do they do?
1:47:03
Speaker 1: They eradicate freedoms and liberties. It's top down. You get
1:47:07
Speaker 1: what you're given from the government. Society, it's completely controlled.
1:47:10
Speaker 1: Your social score is reviewed by and paid attention to
1:47:14
Speaker 1: by the Chinese Communist Party. Good things are bad things
1:47:17
Speaker 1: happen to you based upon that. You don't have rights
1:47:20
Speaker 1: or freedoms or liberties. You don't have the abilit to
1:47:22
Speaker 1: freely communicate. They have crackdowns on Internet, they have blockages
1:47:25
Speaker 1: of your access to things like that. They don't want
1:47:27
Speaker 1: you to get any information. Yet they are flooding our
1:47:29
Speaker 1: airwaves with it constantly. The Internet's flooded constantly with Chinese
1:47:33
Speaker 1: Communist Party propaganda. Because we have a free society and
1:47:39
Speaker 1: the Democrats Socialist in America have publicly pledged to support
1:47:43
Speaker 1: and defend China. Friends of Socialists China, described as a
1:47:48
Speaker 1: London based group, touts nine hundred and fifty two signatories
1:47:52
Speaker 1: on its pledge to quote support the People's Republic of
1:47:55
Speaker 1: China and to promote understanding of Chinese socialism.
1:48:00
Speaker 2: You know, I read that. I think at Chennaman Square.
1:48:02
Speaker 4: Hm.
1:48:03
Speaker 2: Why did that pop in my head?
1:48:05
Speaker 3: Now?
1:48:05
Speaker 1: Eleven of these self described DSAY members are among those
1:48:09
Speaker 1: that quote resolve to support, defend, and build the understanding
1:48:12
Speaker 1: of Chinese socialism. Those are the DSA folks. Here in
1:48:15
Speaker 1: the United States, you've got a Global Friends of Socialist
1:48:18
Speaker 1: China group that exists out there, supported by at least
1:48:21
Speaker 1: some members of the Democrats Socialists of America, the big
1:48:24
Speaker 1: huhas in the organization. The pledge argues that it's mostly
1:48:32
Speaker 1: quotes here. Let is read through it. The global advance
1:48:34
Speaker 1: to socialism is indispensable if humanity is to survive and
1:48:39
Speaker 1: to flourish. While to crying capitalism as totally incapable of
1:48:44
Speaker 1: solving the problems of poverty and inequality, and being inextricably
1:48:49
Speaker 1: linked with war, empire, racism, misogyny, alienation, and environmental destruction.
1:48:57
Speaker 1: But why China, accord to the pledge, support all states
1:49:01
Speaker 1: building or aspiring to socialism, and we favor the highest
1:49:05
Speaker 1: level of unity and friendship between them. We foreground China
1:49:08
Speaker 1: in particular because it's size and level of development give
1:49:14
Speaker 1: it an objectively critical role in the global transition to socialism.
1:49:18
Speaker 1: You know what I read when I read that? How
1:49:20
Speaker 1: I interpret that because if you look at China and
1:49:23
Speaker 1: how it treats its people, it is in no way,
1:49:25
Speaker 1: shape or form anything with the DSA envisions here. They
1:49:29
Speaker 1: are oppressors of people. What I read in that they
1:49:37
Speaker 1: focus on China and highlight China and support China because
1:49:41
Speaker 1: it's size and level of development give it an objectively
1:49:47
Speaker 1: critical role in the global transition to socialism. I just
1:49:51
Speaker 1: means that their form of government, and it isn't socialist,
1:49:56
Speaker 1: has become a successful enough that it has the money power,
1:49:59
Speaker 1: resece sources, and computer ability, along with the well a
1:50:04
Speaker 1: military that's quite substantial in size, and a spy network
1:50:07
Speaker 1: that's quite substantial in size to perpetuate and extend this
1:50:12
Speaker 1: well philosophy out out into the world. Unlike every other
1:50:16
Speaker 1: truly socialist or closer to socialism country which has been
1:50:20
Speaker 1: a total colossal economic failure and doesn't have the means
1:50:23
Speaker 1: or resources to get the message out. It's a good
1:50:27
Speaker 1: partner to have the Chinese Communist Party because they got
1:50:32
Speaker 1: money and resources, and if you're going to do something
1:50:34
Speaker 1: that benefits them, you're welcome in the tent. Democrats Socialists
1:50:40
Speaker 1: of America. Now, tell me how the world's going to
1:50:42
Speaker 1: exist with no borders, no police, and no prisons. Just
1:50:46
Speaker 1: still curious about that, because it certainly isn't that way
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Speaker 5: Geez.
1:51:31
Speaker 11: Yes.
1:51:31
Speaker 2: Indeed, depending on where you look. Let's go to the phones.
1:51:34
Speaker 1: When I look up and I see somebody on the
1:51:35
Speaker 1: call screen, I think it's a wonderful world because Joey's
1:51:37
Speaker 1: on the line. Joey, thanks for calling, man, and happy
1:51:39
Speaker 1: Friday to you, sir.
1:51:41
Speaker 9: Hey, you too, Happy Friday.
1:51:43
Speaker 5: For sure.
1:51:44
Speaker 9: I wanted to point something out because you hear it
1:51:46
Speaker 9: talk about so much. But and there's a couple of
1:51:49
Speaker 9: topics like that.
1:51:50
Speaker 4: Actually, But when.
1:51:51
Speaker 9: People talk about deep on the police and no police,
1:51:56
Speaker 9: all of the sheeple and the people that aren't really
1:51:59
Speaker 9: aware what that means, and they got them believing in
1:52:02
Speaker 9: saying it is. Ultimately, if they could perform that and
1:52:07
Speaker 9: make that happen.
1:52:09
Speaker 12: What would happen is there would be they would be
1:52:13
Speaker 12: replaced with a governmental police across the country. There would
1:52:19
Speaker 12: be one police department. And ironically enough, I'll never forget
1:52:23
Speaker 12: it about fell out of my chair, mister Obama, And
1:52:26
Speaker 12: he did, and it.
1:52:27
Speaker 9: Could be found. He was an interview one day and
1:52:32
Speaker 9: they were asking about deep on the police and mister
1:52:35
Speaker 9: Noadall has given his opinion of everything, and he said,
1:52:39
Speaker 9: real matter of fact. And that's where I really learned this.
1:52:42
Speaker 9: He said, real matter of fact. He goes, it'll be
1:52:44
Speaker 9: a problem. We get rid of all the police department
1:52:47
Speaker 9: and the government.
1:52:48
Speaker 7: We have a governmental police.
1:52:49
Speaker 3: Department across the country.
1:52:51
Speaker 9: Can you believe that? And that man said that the
1:52:53
Speaker 9: cake can be found about fell out of my chair.
1:52:56
Speaker 1: And and Joey the part about that, See, you're subt
1:53:00
Speaker 1: that's just a substitution. It goes from local police. They're
1:53:02
Speaker 1: all races or whatever. And we have a national it'd
1:53:05
Speaker 1: be well regulated. It'll be party members and I think
1:53:08
Speaker 1: of brown shirts or maybe the SS you know, the
1:53:10
Speaker 1: political enforcement winning of the Nazi party showing up at
1:53:13
Speaker 1: your door and murdering people in your neighborhood. Yep, that's
1:53:16
Speaker 1: exactly right, my friend, I.
1:53:18
Speaker 9: Went straight to the brown Shirts just like you said.
1:53:21
Speaker 9: That was exactly what gone on me. And people don't
1:53:24
Speaker 9: understand that the brown Shirts showed up to your neighbor
1:53:27
Speaker 9: house because the neighbors said something about it. Yep, and
1:53:30
Speaker 9: you either cooperated or they took your dad out in
1:53:32
Speaker 9: the backyard and beat the hell out of mean, or
1:53:34
Speaker 9: you never seen him again.
1:53:35
Speaker 12: You got that right, and nobody talking to you no more,
1:53:39
Speaker 12: and nobody did business with you no more.
1:53:41
Speaker 9: And another thing I'd like to point out another comparison.
1:53:44
Speaker 9: As we see all this nonsense about Fauci, I think
1:53:49
Speaker 9: there could be a lot more damage done to that
1:53:51
Speaker 9: crook if they would start talking about what we're really
1:53:55
Speaker 9: talking about. Thanks scare even another day and a lot
1:53:59
Speaker 9: of other people because they're really not conscious of where
1:54:01
Speaker 9: we're going with that. But what we're talking about is
1:54:04
Speaker 9: bio warfare, and we saw.
1:54:10
Speaker 1: A little bit of it can be Yep, you're right, Joe,
1:54:12
Speaker 1: you dropped that a little bit.
1:54:13
Speaker 3: Man.
1:54:13
Speaker 1: The point well taken. And you know, even if someone
1:54:17
Speaker 1: had listened to the mandate from the United States government,
1:54:20
Speaker 1: there will be no gain of function research I know
1:54:22
Speaker 1: foult she ignored that and went ahead and funded gain
1:54:24
Speaker 1: of function research. It's still going on. We're just not
1:54:29
Speaker 1: in control of it. I'm sure the Chinese never would
1:54:33
Speaker 1: do this, never ever, ever. No, that's where it was happening.
1:54:36
Speaker 1: That's happening all over the world. This, this threat exists constantly.
1:54:40
Speaker 1: That's frightening in and of itself. But real quick, you're
1:54:42
Speaker 1: further to Joey's point. Thank you so much Joey for
1:54:44
Speaker 1: making that point. Yes, it's the brown Shirts, it's the essys.
1:54:46
Speaker 1: That's exactly what would replace it if we got rid
1:54:48
Speaker 1: of the police in prisons. This is the answer from
1:54:51
Speaker 1: AI because I asked, I said, what would you know?
1:54:53
Speaker 1: How would we operate as a society without police and prisons. Ready,
1:54:57
Speaker 1: without police in prison, society would need to shift entirely
1:55:00
Speaker 1: away from punishment and rely instead on community care, social support,
1:55:06
Speaker 1: and new ways to solve conflicts. People who study this
1:55:10
Speaker 1: idea that safety would come from meeting basic human needs
1:55:13
Speaker 1: using local groups to stop harm in practicing restorative justice,
1:55:18
Speaker 1: here's your answer. Local groups would use nonviolent ways to
1:55:21
Speaker 1: stop fights or solve serious problems in neighborhoods. Sounds fluffy
1:55:26
Speaker 1: and kind of like rainbows and unicorns like fantasy world,
1:55:29
Speaker 1: doesn't it. People would rely on mutual aid, local mental
1:55:33
Speaker 1: health workers, and community patrols instead of armed officers. I
1:55:36
Speaker 1: circled community patrols. Not armed officers would be community patrols
1:55:41
Speaker 1: be armed. Neighbors would work together directly to protect each
1:55:45
Speaker 1: other and talk through dangerous or tense situations. Well, when
1:55:48
Speaker 1: I circled protect each other, I thought of local militias anyway,
1:55:53
Speaker 1: Money spent on jails and police forces would go towards housing,
1:55:56
Speaker 1: medical care, and jobs. Fixing poverty and poor health would
1:56:00
Speaker 1: lower the chances of crime happening in the first place.
1:56:03
Speaker 1: There it is wave your wand poverty has been fixed.
1:56:07
Speaker 1: No more societal problems. And then finally, support systems would
1:56:10
Speaker 1: help people who cause harm to change their behavior instead
1:56:14
Speaker 1: of locking them away. Support systems you know, back in
1:56:17
Speaker 1: the old days, when you had a strong family unit
1:56:19
Speaker 1: with mom and dad providing their children with ethics and
1:56:23
Speaker 1: values and maybe a spanking if the rules were violated.
1:56:26
Speaker 1: That's a support system that proved valuable and worked for years.
1:56:30
Speaker 1: In our country sadly got rid of the concept of
1:56:32
Speaker 1: the nuclear family back in the sixties. It's been going
1:56:34
Speaker 1: downhill ever since. But the oh, the thing is about this,
1:56:38
Speaker 1: it's all crap. Even if you believe the fluffy Marxists
1:56:41
Speaker 1: like utopia that this picture presents. What of outside forces
1:56:47
Speaker 1: or what of outside forces that have entered in with
1:56:50
Speaker 1: open borders being the predicate for my question mark out here,
1:56:53
Speaker 1: What if let's say a nefarious group came in through
1:56:57
Speaker 1: your open borders, no police, no prisons policy and decided
1:57:01
Speaker 1: that they don't like the socialist utopia you've created. Their
1:57:05
Speaker 1: goal is to put in place a theocracy. Yeah, maybe
1:57:11
Speaker 1: we'll get an ayatola in charge and we will overthrow
1:57:15
Speaker 1: the current.
1:57:15
Speaker 2: Form of this week.
1:57:17
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be easy to overthrow form of government with no
1:57:19
Speaker 1: police in prisons or accountability apparently, and we will tear
1:57:23
Speaker 1: that crap down and put in a better way of life,
1:57:26
Speaker 1: one that's uh governed by Sharia law, where women have
1:57:29
Speaker 1: no rights, must cover themselves from head to toe, can't
1:57:32
Speaker 1: get an education, where the patriarchy has been restored. You
1:57:37
Speaker 1: know why, because we in this fundamentalist community don't want
1:57:41
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. We don't believe in socialism, We
1:57:46
Speaker 1: believe in fundamentalist law, and we believe in harsh treatment
1:57:51
Speaker 1: of those who violated. If that mindset existed in your
1:57:55
Speaker 1: post prison, post legal community, how are you gonna stop
1:57:59
Speaker 1: that threat with your local group and your nonviolent ways
1:58:03
Speaker 1: to solve problems? Go ahead, figure that one out. Stick
1:58:07
Speaker 1: around at Higo Press Network. Jack Windsor coming up next.
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Speaker 1: Windsor from the Ohio Press Network, Welcome back to the
1:58:35
Speaker 1: morning show, my friend. Happy Friday to you, Brian.
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Speaker 11: Always an honor to be here with you in the
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Speaker 11: fifty five KRCA family. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you. I have to ask you.
1:58:44
Speaker 1: I've been on this taro all morning because and the
1:58:45
Speaker 1: more I review the Democrat Socialism America platform, the more
1:58:48
Speaker 1: I just it makes my head hurt. And I've been
1:58:52
Speaker 1: asking my friends in the listening audience, you know, go
1:58:54
Speaker 1: through the thought exercise of how you navigate and cope
1:58:57
Speaker 1: with life, or even exist as a society. If you
1:59:01
Speaker 1: give them their due and give them at least theoretically,
1:59:03
Speaker 1: why as we walk through post DSA policies put in place,
1:59:09
Speaker 1: what's the world gonna look like without police, without prisons
1:59:12
Speaker 1: and wide open borders? Just those three of the multitude
1:59:15
Speaker 1: of insane principles that they advance. How can that possibly work?
1:59:20
Speaker 2: You know?
1:59:21
Speaker 11: It's guys like you and me, I think probably scratch
1:59:25
Speaker 11: our heads and eventually end up pounding them against the wall.
1:59:30
Speaker 11: It's appealing, you know the thing. I try to make comparisons,
1:59:34
Speaker 11: and I guess if you ever played sports growing up,
1:59:39
Speaker 11: you have some tough choices to make, right Like during
1:59:42
Speaker 11: the final days of summer, you can sit on your
1:59:45
Speaker 11: porch and drink some sweet tea and hang out with
1:59:47
Speaker 11: your buddies and sleep in if you want, Or you
1:59:50
Speaker 11: can get your butt up early and you can go
1:59:51
Speaker 11: to two days and two days suck. Yeah, but ultimately
1:59:55
Speaker 11: you become a better football player. You get to put
1:59:57
Speaker 11: the jersey on and play football on Friday night and
1:59:58
Speaker 11: life is good. And eventually, if you continue to not
2:00:03
Speaker 11: show up for life, that sitting on a porch turns
2:00:05
Speaker 11: into maybe your overweight, not in shape life doesn't go
2:00:07
Speaker 11: as well. Whatever, it's kind of the same thing. There's
2:00:11
Speaker 11: an allure to things being free. There's an allure to
2:00:14
Speaker 11: sticking it to the man and changing the system. But
2:00:17
Speaker 11: you only have to look at history to figure out
2:00:19
Speaker 11: you can only take other people's money for so long.
2:00:22
Speaker 11: And the republic may not be perfect, and capitalism may
2:00:27
Speaker 11: not be perfect, but it is levels better than anything
2:00:30
Speaker 11: else available.
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Speaker 2: Oh, for a whole host and multitude of reasons.
2:00:34
Speaker 1: And thanks for bringing back bad Vietnam like flashbacks for
2:00:37
Speaker 1: me my double I was a swimmer, but double workouts
2:00:39
Speaker 1: over the summer morning and afternoon. Man, I just want
2:00:43
Speaker 1: to shoot myself on the head back in those days.
2:00:44
Speaker 1: But you can advance this and you can say this
2:00:48
Speaker 1: is what we want and it will appeal to the dumb,
2:00:51
Speaker 1: the lazy. I don't know, but you know there are
2:00:53
Speaker 1: a lot of college educated, I guess, rich white women
2:00:57
Speaker 1: who adopted this craziness in large measure. I mean in
2:01:01
Speaker 1: large numbers. If you look at the breakdown of the DSA,
2:01:03
Speaker 1: it's a lot of you know, wealthy, suburban I guess
2:01:07
Speaker 1: guilty women because of where they are and who they are,
2:01:10
Speaker 1: but ask them, please come on solve my problem. I'm
2:01:13
Speaker 1: ready to embrace what you're demanding or suggesting we need
2:01:16
Speaker 1: for society, which is getting rid of those evil police,
2:01:18
Speaker 1: getting rid of prisons and wide open borders. But how
2:01:22
Speaker 1: are we going to deal with the As I mentioned earlier, Jack,
2:01:25
Speaker 1: conceptually speaking, if you have a group of terrorists in
2:01:29
Speaker 1: your country that want to bring about a theocracy, let's say,
2:01:33
Speaker 1: like they did in Iran when they overthrew the shaw
2:01:35
Speaker 1: and put a theocracy in which doesn't embrace these principles
2:01:39
Speaker 1: and be more than happy to murder you rather than
2:01:41
Speaker 1: even give you due process before putting you in an
2:01:43
Speaker 1: evil prison. You can't have an answer to that question.
2:01:47
Speaker 1: There must be accountable, there must be law enforcement, and
2:01:49
Speaker 1: must be a place to put the evil doers to
2:01:52
Speaker 1: keep that kind of element out of your society. They're
2:01:54
Speaker 1: going to take over.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, history is standing here saying, don't make me repeat myself. Right,
2:02:00
Speaker 11: And what's really interesting, and I'm sorry I'm going to
2:02:03
Speaker 11: go down this rabbit hole, is when you think about
2:02:05
Speaker 11: the idea of policing. What is policing supposed to do.
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Speaker 11: It's supposed to keep the peace it's supposed to make
2:02:12
Speaker 11: sure that if there is some sort of infraction, that
2:02:15
Speaker 11: that infraction gets confronted, and if it's found out to
2:02:19
Speaker 11: be true, then you deal with it right. And there
2:02:20
Speaker 11: are rules and laws and penalties in all of those things.
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Speaker 11: The same people who want us to believe they don't
2:02:28
Speaker 11: have a stomach for law enforcement are the same type
2:02:31
Speaker 11: of people who are aged and politically active, and if
2:02:38
Speaker 11: they see an XX or x Y sign at a
2:02:40
Speaker 11: women's basketball game, they go over and they want to
2:02:44
Speaker 11: police a sixteen year old girl who's saying thank you,
2:02:47
Speaker 11: Sophie Cunningham for standing.
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Speaker 2: Up for girls. I couldn't see.
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Speaker 11: People who don't want police are very happy to go
2:02:53
Speaker 11: police themselves things that they shouldn't be policing. So it's
2:02:57
Speaker 11: not that they really don't want police, it's just they
2:02:59
Speaker 11: really haven't about their worldview.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's just they really haven't thought period. Fill in
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Speaker 1: the blank. Stop Yes, Jack Windsor the Ohio Pressnetwork dot Com.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the Yes, the ongoing war on
2:03:13
Speaker 1: data centers. We had Brigham Accown and Studio for a
2:03:15
Speaker 1: full hour on energy policy. Jackwindsor, so perfect springboard to
2:03:19
Speaker 1: talk about the war on data centers that's ongoing and
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Speaker 1: driven largely in part by the influence of the Chinese
2:03:25
Speaker 1: Communist Party. I said it, we'll see if Jack agrees.
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Speaker 1: We've got some great plans for the weekend. And I
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Speaker 1: the news he's got there. Great stuff it is. Let's
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Speaker 1: pivot back to the ongoing saga, the war on data centers.
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Speaker 1: And as we learn from Brigham Accown and Jackwindsor, we
2:03:58
Speaker 1: you know, I boiling it down. And I know my
2:04:00
Speaker 1: listeners are sick of me talking about small modular reactors,
2:04:03
Speaker 1: but just given all the information I've got about them,
2:04:05
Speaker 1: they are literally right there. They're done, they could work.
2:04:07
Speaker 1: They're off the shelf. You can build a bunch of
2:04:09
Speaker 1: them pretty easily. They could be brought with AI data
2:04:13
Speaker 1: center right there. Look, we have a semi size, small
2:04:16
Speaker 1: modular reactor, providing us with all the power we need.
2:04:18
Speaker 1: We don't need your grid, we don't need anything. But
2:04:21
Speaker 1: we have a regulatory scheme that is a nightmarish reality.
2:04:24
Speaker 1: The federal government's in charge of nuclear power. They won't
2:04:27
Speaker 1: let us have them, apparently, and if you do try
2:04:29
Speaker 1: to permit for one, it's going to be a decade
2:04:31
Speaker 1: or more before it finally gets built. That is the
2:04:33
Speaker 1: snail's pace that is impeding our progress. It's the thing
2:04:37
Speaker 1: that would solve the energy red flag that people are
2:04:39
Speaker 1: waving about AI. So focusing on that element. The easy answer,
2:04:45
Speaker 1: revivik Ramaswami embraces it. Have them bring their own power.
2:04:50
Speaker 1: Simple solution, achievable right now, solution Jack Windsor. But it's
2:04:55
Speaker 1: one that's impossible to achieve because of federal regulations and
2:04:59
Speaker 1: quite often state regulations. As I said earlier in the program,
2:05:03
Speaker 1: we've met the enemy there us.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, Brian, everyone's mad about their electric bill. And like
2:05:11
Speaker 11: every good story, there's always a victim in a villain.
2:05:13
Speaker 11: Right and right now, data centers are the villain. I
2:05:18
Speaker 11: sat down with the number two of the Department of
2:05:20
Speaker 11: Energy this week, and here's the truth. The fight isn't
2:05:25
Speaker 11: whether to build, although there are some people still scrambling
2:05:29
Speaker 11: and squawking about that, it's really about who pays. And
2:05:33
Speaker 11: in Ohio, believe it or not, we really are on
2:05:36
Speaker 11: the bleeding edge of what's going on as far as states.
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Speaker 7: Now.
2:05:41
Speaker 11: You're right, there are some things nationally that still need
2:05:43
Speaker 11: to happen. But there's just this political war brewing against
2:05:46
Speaker 11: data centers, and you have the Bernie Sanders style push
2:05:51
Speaker 11: to ban them out right. But to me, the right
2:05:54
Speaker 11: answer is already in place. You make big tech pay
2:05:58
Speaker 11: its own freight, and in Ohio we have implemented at
2:06:03
Speaker 11: least a tariff, which is good news. And then nationally
2:06:06
Speaker 11: you have Trump's rate payer Protection Pledge and there are
2:06:10
Speaker 11: companies who are signing on to that, So at least
2:06:14
Speaker 11: at at a top level, that seems to be the
2:06:17
Speaker 11: starting point. Obviously, you have to figure out in each
2:06:21
Speaker 11: locale how that looks and make sure that you're dotting
2:06:25
Speaker 11: your eyes and crossing your t's and making sure that
2:06:28
Speaker 11: the tax payers are not footing the bill in a
2:06:31
Speaker 11: bevy of ways.
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Speaker 1: Well, but there are two components to that, and you
2:06:34
Speaker 1: find if you can level the playing field in terms
2:06:36
Speaker 1: of power. The power demands are increasing, and with increased demands,
2:06:41
Speaker 1: necessarily economic reality kicks in. The price goes up. Laws
2:06:44
Speaker 1: of supply and demand, there's a finite supply of power,
2:06:48
Speaker 1: and then there's that pesky infrastructure component because our infrastructure
2:06:51
Speaker 1: can't keep up with the demands on the electric grid.
2:06:54
Speaker 1: So how do you deal with those two components. You've
2:06:57
Speaker 1: got to need more power and you're going to need
2:06:59
Speaker 1: an infrastructure to deliver it, and therein you run right
2:07:02
Speaker 1: headlong into the regulatory nightmare that prevents things from being done.
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Speaker 11: Yes, absolutely, and I think you know when I talked
2:07:09
Speaker 11: with Alex Fitzsimmons, now Associate Deputy Secretary of Energy and
2:07:14
Speaker 11: senior advisor to Secretary Wright, he framed it this way.
2:07:17
Speaker 11: So the Department of Energy is working with tech companies
2:07:20
Speaker 11: and the power sector to implement this rate payer protection pledge.
2:07:25
Speaker 11: And the idea is that you buy it, you bring it,
2:07:28
Speaker 11: or you build it. And I'm with you. We have
2:07:32
Speaker 11: laid down the foundation in Ohio to say if you
2:07:35
Speaker 11: want to build a mini reactor, you can do it.
2:07:38
Speaker 11: So administratively, we need to figure that part of it out.
2:07:42
Speaker 11: And look, the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room
2:07:46
Speaker 11: is that nuclear has had a black eye from a
2:07:49
Speaker 11: marketing perspective for a long time. But it's really time
2:07:52
Speaker 11: to re examine that and.
2:07:53
Speaker 1: Let's start reminding people, as we did with Bring him agown,
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Speaker 1: this isn't nineteen seventy Yes, you know what crack. You know,
2:08:01
Speaker 1: they didn't have small modular reactors back in nineteen seventy
2:08:03
Speaker 1: had It was one size fits none. It was one size,
2:08:06
Speaker 1: custom tailored like a bespoke suit built two size and
2:08:09
Speaker 1: suit one specific location, not off the shelf like a Lego.
2:08:13
Speaker 1: And that took forever. Every element of the new design
2:08:16
Speaker 1: had to be approved. Every eye had to be crossed,
2:08:18
Speaker 1: every eye had to be dotted and t crossed. Every
2:08:21
Speaker 1: environmental rule and regulation had to be parsed through for
2:08:24
Speaker 1: each individual project, and then you do it all over
2:08:27
Speaker 1: again at some other site elsewhere. We have overcome the
2:08:30
Speaker 1: challenges not only of the size and scope they used
2:08:33
Speaker 1: to be. We've got them built down into small you
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Speaker 1: can fit in the back of a semi tractor trailer size.
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Speaker 1: It's we're still thinking of it along the lines of
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Speaker 1: meltdowns and nuclear waste and all these problems that no
2:08:46
Speaker 1: longer exist technologically.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, you think about it, just to make
2:08:51
Speaker 11: a funny comparison. In the seventies, your phone.
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Speaker 2: Was on the wall.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and today you have a phone, a computer. You
2:08:58
Speaker 11: have everything you need that's this size, and technology is
2:09:03
Speaker 11: amazing and things have advanced and we really need to
2:09:05
Speaker 11: look at it that way. In Ohio, though, I do
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Speaker 11: want to make sure. I mentioned you know, the Public
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Speaker 11: Utilities Commission approved a tariff for AEP requiring large load
2:09:16
Speaker 11: customers to pay at least eighty five percent of their
2:09:18
Speaker 11: contracted capacity for up to twelve years, regardless of actual use.
2:09:22
Speaker 11: And that's another I think big win.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 11: I think Duke is another that we're going to have
2:09:27
Speaker 11: to make sure that they're on board with that. But
2:09:30
Speaker 11: that's what it looks like, right. You need to make
2:09:32
Speaker 11: sure that these companies are footing the bill so that
2:09:37
Speaker 11: Grandma doesn't get stuck with it in December.
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Speaker 2: Amen to that.
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Speaker 1: I think that's all anybody wants. And I think we
2:09:42
Speaker 1: can accomplish that, and let's squeeze the skids and get
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Speaker 1: it done. We are all amen to that. We're capable
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Speaker 1: of doing. No again, I'll go back to the fact
2:09:50
Speaker 1: we've done it. We've done it. Yeah, it's that written
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Speaker 1: thing in the book, in the law. That's the thing
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Speaker 1: that's to get in there and scratch it out, and
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Speaker 1: let's move forward with our lives and solve our nobody's problems,
2:10:00
Speaker 1: Jack wins or how Press Network dot Com. Don't go
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Speaker 1: away because one of Jack's favorite topics, and I know
2:10:05
Speaker 1: it's Governor de Wine's topic, one of his favorite topics,
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Speaker 1: topics Haitian deportations. We'll talk about that with Jack in
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Speaker 1: the week, Jack wins And I was enjoy having you
2:10:31
Speaker 1: on the fifty five KRC morning show on a Friday,
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Speaker 1: and I've been getting a'm I'm not gonna say, I'm
2:10:37
Speaker 1: experiencing Shoden Freud a bit.
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Speaker 3: Mike.
2:10:39
Speaker 1: The ones kind of rubed me the wrong way for
2:10:41
Speaker 1: a lot of different reasons, being, you know, the little
2:10:43
Speaker 1: old libertarian type that I am, and I know he
2:10:46
Speaker 1: kind of rubs a lot of my Republican friends the
2:10:48
Speaker 1: wrong way as well, so I'm referred to him as
2:10:50
Speaker 1: a rhino. I'm not quite sure he even has a
2:10:51
Speaker 1: political guidepost, but I've never quite understood his relationship with
2:10:56
Speaker 1: the Haitian community other than the fact that he, I
2:10:58
Speaker 1: guess his family did some charitable work there. But we
2:11:00
Speaker 1: have about thirty thousand of them who made their way
2:11:03
Speaker 1: and found their way into Springfield under temporary protected status,
2:11:07
Speaker 1: and it was because of the earthquake from back in
2:11:10
Speaker 1: twenty ten.
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Speaker 2: I hate him.
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Speaker 1: Not exactly a funfilled, enjoyable experience for pretty much all
2:11:15
Speaker 1: the time, given its political instability. But the earthquake was
2:11:18
Speaker 1: twenty ten. Temporary protected status I think by its own
2:11:23
Speaker 1: name means not permanent. There was no justification or basis
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Speaker 1: upon which someone could claim that they were entitled, by
2:11:30
Speaker 1: virtual being here under temporary protected status to stay here
2:11:34
Speaker 1: forever and lo and behold in new administration decides that, well,
2:11:37
Speaker 1: that temporary event is over with. It's time for the
2:11:40
Speaker 1: temporary folks here to have that status revoked and send
2:11:44
Speaker 1: them back home. Mike Dwin's got a problem with that,
2:11:47
Speaker 1: Jack Windsor, You're analysis of his response.
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Speaker 11: Well, the top line is this. Brian DeWine's closing argument
2:11:56
Speaker 11: as governor is that federal immigration law shouldn't apply to
2:12:01
Speaker 11: Ohio because employers got used to the cheap labor. And
2:12:06
Speaker 11: if you remember, I know we've talked about this. I
2:12:09
Speaker 11: was in Springfield back in twenty twenty four. Then candidate
2:12:13
Speaker 11: for Vice president jd Vance made it a point to
2:12:15
Speaker 11: reach out to me in the middle of my coverage
2:12:17
Speaker 11: there and said, thanks for covering what you're covering. I
2:12:20
Speaker 11: labeled it what I saw it as back then, reverse offshoring.
2:12:24
Speaker 11: And what Dwine is doing now is he's just saying
2:12:27
Speaker 11: it out loud, and it tells you exactly whose side
2:12:30
Speaker 11: Columbus has been on since twenty twenty three on this
2:12:33
Speaker 11: whole matter.
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Speaker 1: And that's the side of manufacturers getting very very inexpensive
2:12:38
Speaker 1: labor here on temporary protected status, which does give them
2:12:41
Speaker 1: the lawful ability to work.
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Speaker 11: It does, and I think therein is part of the issue.
2:12:47
Speaker 11: I was in Springfield last week and I m sed
2:12:51
Speaker 11: a town hall and one of the rules that I
2:12:54
Speaker 11: put in place was, look, we're not going to call
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Speaker 11: the Haitians illegals because many of them are here on
2:12:59
Speaker 11: temporary protected status if you remember. There's also there was
2:13:02
Speaker 11: the CHVN parole program under the Biden administration that allowed
2:13:07
Speaker 11: many of them to come in and apply. But the
2:13:09
Speaker 11: bottom line is this, the president has the authority to
2:13:14
Speaker 11: enforce the law. Yes he did, the Supreme Court backed
2:13:17
Speaker 11: him up. And now you have a governor who used
2:13:19
Speaker 11: to be Attorney general, interestingly, who basically says, I just
2:13:23
Speaker 11: don't like the law, and so he's on TV lobbying
2:13:27
Speaker 11: the Trump administration to make an exception for Ohio and
2:13:31
Speaker 11: spending time in Springfield. When I say a majority, I
2:13:35
Speaker 11: mean a majority. The problem with mainstream press is they
2:13:38
Speaker 11: bastardize the truth. Often that's what happened in Springfield. A majority,
2:13:42
Speaker 11: I would say, even a super majority of people in
2:13:44
Speaker 11: Springfield say why aren't you worried about us? Why can't
2:13:49
Speaker 11: you consider us too? You're on TV making a case
2:13:52
Speaker 11: for the Haitians and temporary means temporary. Why can't you
2:13:56
Speaker 11: consider us? And I think that's where Mike Dwayne again
2:13:59
Speaker 11: is tone deaf.
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Speaker 1: Well, I have asked others, and I'm going to go
2:14:02
Speaker 1: ahead and ask you. Not that I necessarily think you
2:14:04
Speaker 1: might have any information on it, but since you've move
2:14:06
Speaker 1: following this subject for so long. The jobs that these Haitians,
2:14:10
Speaker 1: the Haitians in Springfield are doing, are not like high
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Speaker 1: degree requiring jobs. You don't need a six year education
2:14:19
Speaker 1: or a four year college degree, or even an associate's
2:14:22
Speaker 1: degree to perform the labor that some of these folks
2:14:25
Speaker 1: are doing. In other words, they don't require a tremendous
2:14:27
Speaker 1: amount of job training or go. I don't care what
2:14:31
Speaker 1: type of person you are. If you're able bodied, working age,
2:14:34
Speaker 1: you can perform the job that the Somali community happens
2:14:37
Speaker 1: to be doing. Does that sound like a fair assessment
2:14:39
Speaker 1: of the situation?
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Speaker 2: Jack?
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Speaker 11: It does?
2:14:41
Speaker 2: It does?
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Speaker 11: And here's the caveat that I think is where the
2:14:44
Speaker 11: discussion goes a lot. But here's the caveat. I thought
2:14:48
Speaker 11: it was interesting Governor Mike DeWine when he was talking
2:14:50
Speaker 11: I think it was with CBS, he said, well, they
2:14:52
Speaker 11: start businesses and they buy houses, And I went, do
2:14:55
Speaker 11: they because I know a lot of people in their
2:14:56
Speaker 11: thirties who feel like they can't afford their first home.
2:15:00
Speaker 11: Telling me that the Haitians who are working, and here's
2:15:04
Speaker 11: what I'm going to get to, they are working at
2:15:06
Speaker 11: a wage that is probably below what a Springfield resident
2:15:10
Speaker 11: could make because they're getting subsidized by taxpayers. That's the
2:15:14
Speaker 11: bottom line. And so if you're a business, you can
2:15:16
Speaker 11: pay the employee less because the employees bunking with ten
2:15:19
Speaker 11: other Haitians in a house paying six hundred dollars a
2:15:22
Speaker 11: month and has other government stipends and handouts that the
2:15:28
Speaker 11: average Springfield resident doesn't. And that's the part that nobody
2:15:31
Speaker 11: in the press wants to talk about.
2:15:33
Speaker 1: Well, the easy way to answer that question is the following,
2:15:35
Speaker 1: Jack windsor wait a second, we now have a work requirement.
2:15:38
Speaker 1: If you are able bodied and capable of being employee,
2:15:41
Speaker 1: you now must do what eighty hours of work a
2:15:44
Speaker 1: month or something along those lines. You have to engage
2:15:46
Speaker 1: in education, training, or work an effort to get work.
2:15:51
Speaker 1: You got thirty thousand, I guess potential jobs in the
2:15:53
Speaker 1: city of Springfield if they're capable of getting rid of
2:15:55
Speaker 1: every single Haitian person there, and therefore you've got a
2:15:58
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people parent who qualify or who are
2:16:01
Speaker 1: able bodied that nonetheless are receiving public assistance in the
2:16:05
Speaker 1: form of taxpayer dollar welfare. That's a place for them
2:16:08
Speaker 1: to work. Apparently it doesn't require a tremendous amount of
2:16:11
Speaker 1: job training to perform the task. They could fulfill their
2:16:14
Speaker 1: work obligation at oh, Jack. If these jobs allow people
2:16:18
Speaker 1: and pay people enough money that they can buy houses
2:16:21
Speaker 1: and participate in the community that way and then pay taxes,
2:16:25
Speaker 1: it sounds to me like these people might be permanently
2:16:27
Speaker 1: employed and then buying houses next week. But I guess
2:16:30
Speaker 1: what you're telling me, Jack, it wouldn't work out that
2:16:33
Speaker 1: way because they're not paying a quote unquote living wage
2:16:38
Speaker 1: as the left might characterize it.
2:16:40
Speaker 11: That's fair. I think that is absolutely fair. And listen,
2:16:45
Speaker 11: I can't talk about Springfield without saying, we can't ever
2:16:48
Speaker 11: forget the residents of Springfield housing schools, driving government services.
2:16:57
Speaker 11: For years, they've been clamoring and you know what, they
2:17:00
Speaker 11: dismissed as racist, as fringe, as bigoted. I spent time
2:17:04
Speaker 11: with him again last week. That's not the case. They
2:17:07
Speaker 11: absolutely welcome migrants, but they also recognized that there's a
2:17:12
Speaker 11: point beyond which you get stretched, that you just can't
2:17:14
Speaker 11: be elastic anymore.
2:17:15
Speaker 1: And that racism bigoted thing is ridiculous. You could pick up. Okay,
2:17:19
Speaker 1: is it because of the color of their skin?
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Speaker 6: Jack?
2:17:21
Speaker 1: Then is this a color of skin racism argument. All right,
2:17:24
Speaker 1: let's say you went over to, oh, pick a European country.
2:17:27
Speaker 2: You got all the people in Germany or something.
2:17:32
Speaker 1: It picked up thirty thousand of them because they wanted
2:17:34
Speaker 1: to come to the United States of America, and you
2:17:36
Speaker 1: landed them at a bus stop in Springfield, Ohio. And
2:17:39
Speaker 1: they were the ones that got hired by these employers
2:17:41
Speaker 1: because they were allowed to work and they were willing
2:17:43
Speaker 1: to take less of a wage, because they agreed that
2:17:45
Speaker 1: they would all live in you know, small apartments with
2:17:47
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty people. And then blah blah, the same
2:17:49
Speaker 1: thing that's going on. You can't screen racism. It's not
2:17:52
Speaker 1: the color of their skin, it's not their country of origin.
2:17:55
Speaker 1: It's that they showed up one day unannounced and completely
2:17:58
Speaker 1: took over all these jobs to the benefit of the
2:18:00
Speaker 1: factory owners and the people employing them because they work
2:18:03
Speaker 1: for less money. This isn't about racism.
2:18:07
Speaker 11: Well, but then they would find another label, right, because
2:18:09
Speaker 11: that really what is that? It's point number thirteen and
2:18:13
Speaker 11: a Lenski's rules for radicals. You got to isolate, castigate,
2:18:17
Speaker 11: and try to cancel. So I guess where my head
2:18:20
Speaker 11: goes is they would call you a white Christian nationalist.
2:18:23
Speaker 11: You're a bad, evil nationalist. I mean, there's always an excuse,
2:18:26
Speaker 11: but yes, I digress. Your point is spot on.
2:18:30
Speaker 1: Jack Lindsor always loved our conversations. We never disagree too much.