Latest / Concession Stand / 013: The AI Dating Stand (VisionQuest Episodes 3-6)
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- Nick: What's up everyone? Welcome back to the concession stand. I'm Nick and across the screen is my co-host Jules. Julz: You guys going to there? Nick: Today we got a little bit of a different episode for y'all. So, we missed last week. We did not put out an episode last week. So we missed our coverage of the those last two episodes of Vision Quest. so today we will be covering straight Vision Quest. We're gonna be covering last week's two episodes and the most recent episode two episodes from this week. So, you know, is that it's is it's Vision Quest time, baby. All my Marvel Heads the Building. Julz: You guys are lucky. Nick: Get ready. Let's go. so we're, we're gonna get in depth. We're gonna, summarize what happened and we're gonna talk about some of our favorite parts and what this can mean moving forward because we got two episodes left. So, you know, let's let's let's get right into it. Let's dive in, grab your refill, let's go. Julz: Which is which is just one week. One more week of this show, basically. Nick: Yeah, or two more weeks 'cause they they're separating the last two episodes. So we're w next week is one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So which both of Julz: so we're going we're getting just one episode? Okay, perfect, perfect. I wonder if they'll be longer then. Nick: both of are over an hour. So we're we're pre we're Julz: Absolute cinema, I'm here for it. Just I think Nick: Yes, sir. You already know. Julz: we might as well just we don't say we don't have to say absolute cinema. That's what this means. I think everybody knows that, but for those watching the video, like you know Nick: Yeah. No yeah, yeah, yeah. If you yeah, if you see us do this, you you know what it means. You know what it means. Julz: It reminds me of the one movie where I think it was with was it I think it was Alien and I feel like Idris Alba was the pilot and he was like, Hands up! Nick: Prometheus. Julz: Prometheus, yes. Yes, that's it. That's what it was. Nick: Yeah. Bruh That's a good that's a good movie, bruh. I I Julz: It was a great movie. Nick: some people like be hating on that movie for no reason and I I I truly don't know why. Julz: I went and seen that movie with my parents when I was a k w when it first came out, I remember that. Yeah, Nick: Yeah, really? Down. Julz: yeah. It was it was sh Prometheus 'cause the Aliens movies were a are all good. Since it's you know, n since we're just talking about it, I can't wait for them to come back out with Alien's Covenant. Alien Covenant. Nick: with the follow up to Covenant and like with David and all that stuff, bruh. Cause like Julz: Yes, yes. I need to know. I need to know. Nick: I listen, I liked I really liked Alien Romulus. I really liked it. But like the fact that they came out with Alien Romulus after doing all that setup with Michael Fassbender as David, like you know, we had two movies with that arc in like we found out all this stuff about him, what he created and all this stuff, and then we just went to a different story. I'm like, wait, what? What? Like, why not why? Julz: I know, right? Wha why Nick: So Julz: it's it's insane how they did that, but it's it's whatever. Nick: And and we got Alien Earth before we got any follow up to that. So like Alien Earth season two. True, Julz: That's what I meant. Alien Earth. Alien Earth. Yeah, I meant that. That's what I meant. Nick: true, true, true, true. But that's yeah, that's gonna be tough 'cause that I love that I love that season one. That shit was hard. Julz: No yeah, no season one was crazy with the sense and the kids and stuff, how you they took the the the the the terminal ale children and put them in the robots. I was like I was like, whoa, hold up now. Nick: Yeah. Took him to Neverland. Bro, that was crazy. Bro, but Julz: someone would do this. someone would do that. there w there is an island somewhere, Nick: No, yeah. That like someone in the alien Julz: like, with terminally ill children Nick: Well Julz: as the prototype robot robots. Like I can totally Nick: Damn. Julz: see that if Jeff Bezos came out and they were and we were trying to you know, someone was trying to, you know, get him in trouble and, you know, make him face justice for something like that. Like I could a hundred percent seen a billionaire, Elon Musk, having something like that. Nick: Mm, mm mm, mm. Julz: Or Elon Musk using h some the only, his kids, some of his kids for it. Like I can see that. I'm sorry, Nick: Damn. Damn. Julz: son. You're gonna be great, you're gonna be beautiful. You can be the first tip you're gonna. He's just stroking Nick: You're gonna foster in Julz: his hair lovingly in his head, but it's just very awkward to anybody else looking on. Nick: god, god, you will you will usher in the future, my son. Jesus. Julz: Yeah, he dies on the table. Nick: That's crazy. That's crazy. But Julz: Damn it. Alright, I gotta pay another supermodel to have my kid. Nick: No. Or I'll start over. What's another eighteen years? Julz: With another eighteen years. Make another kid. man, that was good. But Nick: Dead. I'm dead. But Alright. Now we're talking all Vision Quest starting now. yeah. Big time spoiler alert. Julz: Spoiler alerts. Spoiler alerts. Spoiler alerts. Nick: Any you know, if haven't watched any Vision Quest, you know, don't watch, don't listen right now. But you know, obviously Julz: These are it's gonna be episode three to episode six. So if you haven't seen any of that, this is the time to jump out. Nick: Yep, yep. So right now we're just talking about episodes three and four. We might, speed run these this one a little quick a little a little bit just because these episodes are older. So we we want to spend more talk time talking about what happened the most recently. So we're just Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: gonna go over what happened in the two episodes, briefly just talk talk about that, and then we're gonna move on to episodes five and six. So in episode three, this is following Jarvis's sacrificial deletion at the end of episode two. which was ooh ooh ooh still feeling that. Still missing Jarvis. Julz: Still hurts. It still hurts. I I'm still like, is he gonna come back? Like I'm hoping, but like I know he's not. I I really want Nick: I would really I would really hope so. I would really hope so, bruh. Julz: him to come back and I'm not looking for it because I know that he probably won't, but like I want him to come back because I I just that's Jarvis. we we all grew Nick: Yeah. Julz: up with him as our AI. knowing what the AI is, like we like the first one was Jarvis for us. Nick: Yep, yep, he was. and the fact that we haven't even we haven't heard from Jarvis in years, like ever since he turned into Vision, obviously. So like Julz: That's what I'm saying, which makes this is like I'm like like I need to know how the other AIs like did he go around just collecting Did he have already? Like what's what like were they already there? How? I I Nick: Mm. Julz: feel like they needed to explain they need to explain that, but Nick: 'Cause we yeah, we can s we know for Ultron Vision did the you know, he bab basically copy pasted him and then just stored him away. But like Julz: Right. Nick: Edith, Friday, Dummy and you, like how did they get there? Like 'cause Julz: Because we see Dummy and you in Spider-Man in Happy Hogan's apartment. Nick: Ooh, facts. Facts. So how did facts? I forgot. Julz: That's what I'm like I'm just like I don't know how they got there. And I or are they always there? that's my thing. And then since Jarvis sacrificed himself, since we're talking about it, because in episode three, following his sacrifice, literally when they, pop up and try to d start doing the the the Sherlock Holmes bit and their Nick: Yeah, yeah. Julz: and you and and when they do the the funeral, you and E dummy and you are talking. You is figuring himself out. You's figuring himself out. But dummy, Nick: No yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Julz: dummy can he can it articulate Nick: I think I Julz: well. Nick: Yeah, but I I think I got or what I how I received that was that since that was after Jarvis's sacrifice, he gave them some of his code and everything so may they were able to like level up a little bit. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Which is Julz: Right, so they got they got an upgrade basically. Yeah, exactly. 'cause he gave them he gave them pieces of h or computational power. So in theory, with computers, it would make sense for them to be able to talk now as AI, even if you're just a little bit more, Dan E boy Nick: Yeah. Bro he said Bro, he but right before that he just they were like they asked him something, he would they were just expecting him to d you know to start sp spitting something. He just goes Yeah Yeah Julz: Yeah. You it was like it was so funny Nick: Bro, I that I died. I died bro. That was hilarious. Julz: because Dummies was so profound and you're we're all like wow my god and then you was like yeah and then they were like that was beautiful you Nick: Yeah. Danny boy. That's good. That's good. my god. Julz: That was so funny. And what's funnier is because in c in President Curtis the he sang he sang that same song to the half leprechaun secret secret service agent. Nick: I remember that. Julz: I failed you, sir. I'm sorry. He's like, it's okay, daddy boy. So I like I that's I thought of that as I watched it, which made it even funnier for me. Nick: True. True. Nah, that's that's that's too funny. that's both instances being used for great comedic relief. So th the it's be must be something about that song. Julz: Mhm. Now, how did Jarvis we even get to the Jarvis dying part is or having to sacrifice his part himself is because he was, you know, attacked with the anamancian rounds that Paladin had. And so in in this we, you know, eventually we get to there's another synth. There paladin's, you know, thinking he's tracking vision, but he's actually tracking our mystery lady, the Butcher Bird Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: Killer. And we're starting to see this on the news. Ultron is watching this and keeping a close eye on things because he watches the news. He consumes a lot of human media. So, you know, eventually we get to a point where, you know, because Jarvis had to sacrifice himself. That was because they were trying to buy vision more time. And so once they figured out, like, okay, we're gonna have to hard reset vision. And what that means is he has to switch himself off, but he can't switch himself back on without a great deal of power. So he has to talk to Nick: Mm. Julz: Tommy and get him to understand that, you know, help him come overcome his fears because he needed to get h needed him to get in the pool and basically do what he did to the children all those years ago. But to, you Nick: Mm. Julz: know, vision or purpose. And so, you know, he has a moment of death. Everything goes away. He se has his light flash before his eyes. Ultrums peop the past doesn't make people want to live. The future does. And then, we see all the things with WandaVision and Tommy. Yeah, and the kids and his other son. You know. Who who could potentially, Nick: shows Wanda, the kids. Yeah, he s he said he said that Julz: you know, show up at the end maybe. Like maybe he's just in been in the background. Nick: Yep, he s he said this isn't this isn't the future. This it but it could be. Julz: Exactly. And so, you know Nick: I felt that. Julz: I and then, you know, we eventually get Tommy reviving vision with his, you know, super speed, you know, creating the electricity or power, if you will. yeah, it was a great scene. It was an amazing scene. Amazing scene. Nick: Bro, cause that that was so sick. That was so sick. my god. Like, cause I didn't think that like that 'cause obviously we've only seen up to this point we've only seen him do stuff with his hands. I did not think that like they were just gonna have him do something like that required that much power that fast. Julz: Right. Nick: Like like you're fully bringing vision, you you know, charging vision up back to life with you know, enough power to do that. Like that's that's no small feat. And he just Julz: Which is powerscaling him. it's showing how powerful he is. That but we he's just not there yet. And so eventually Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: I think he's gonna get there. And, you know, maybe Nick: yeah. Julz: he maybe he gets the white hair. Who knows? Maybe he or he goes platinum blonde. I don't know how that's g what it's gonna be, but you know, however however they choose to move Nick: I hope so. Julz: with him in the future I think it's gonna be good. Because I think that like Nick: Yeah. And Through the fact that throughout all this, fuck Vision is still like in denial about like them, you know, him being his son and like you know, they the y Tommy storms out because Vision because Vision hit him with that cold ass line when they were in the hotel where he was he was pretty much like Julz: yeah. Nick: the tr the truth is you're just you know you're just a kid who read a book and you know you've been you you've had a rough life. So da da da. Like that was our Julz: Well that might have been I think that was one of the simulations. Nick: Was it one of the simulations? Or was that 'cause he stormed out at one at one point and then Julz: I think he said I think he well, he stormed out regardless, but it was like he said Vision no, that was that was a simulation because vision was like, let's talk about this with better systems and stuff. Like he said it in a robot way, but basically with cooler heads is what was trying to say. Nick: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that yeah, and that that whole simulation scene was was was hilarious. we're we're just Julz: was geeky because he's doing this in his head like a quantum computer should be able to do. it should be able to think that fast and run that many simulations Nick: Right. Yeah. Julz: in that split amount of time as he's thinking. 'Cause we're witnessing him think. Even though it's like only Nick: Literally. W yeah. Yeah, yeah. Julz: a certain, amount of time in the real world, which is really cool to me. I think that aspect Nick: Yeah. Julz: of the show and how it's like like they can, stop in between the scene, have him do his c you know, quantum computer thing. thinking and they play it out and then just pick it back up where they paused it and it's like that's how that would be actually though. he would think like Nick: No Julz: that. That's how fast he should think. So I think that's that's crazy to me. No, it's cool. It's super cool. Nick: Yeah, man, it's it's so cool. It's so cool. Like and the first like I feel like the first time we saw that was in like it was like episode two when like Vision is pulling up to s rescue Tommy from the institution or whatever. And like it looks like like like Vision is doing some like Julz: Mm-hmm. Yes, exactly. That scene. Nick: Professor X type like he's freezing time, but he's really just you know, computing so fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, literally. Julz: And and it's Eve pointing out all the boots and stuff, all the in inconsistencies. Yes. Nick: And it's just like they're all they can all scope out like all the AIs can scope out the whole room in literally like A mill like a quarter of a millisecond and it's a b it's like that. Of course, of course. my Julz: and with a team of them, he's he's unbeatable, honestly. But like and then, you know, but when they, you know, after the eulogy for Jarvis and then, you know, they reboot him, it it inadvertently opened the back door to the Butcher Burr killer, who's been, you know, drawing wings on her killers and taking certain you know, she took eyes from one person, took one person's fingerprints. And so Which kinda starts to tell us, maybe she's building or grabbing keys or something. And so, you know, now when we get to episode four, which is called malware, we start to really get a, you know, a very clear picture on who the Butcher Bird Killer is. Butcher Bird Killer invaded and possesses Visions Visions body in a way like i I don't know if his b his body was possessed because in real life his eyes are red. Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: In his mindscape, he had an exorcism moment. And so, which gives us one of my favorite lines delivered by Ultron The power of gold compels you which was probably Nick: Bro. Julz: the funniest thing I've heard him say to date. Easily. Nick: No, literally. I my god. R just bef o obviously Ultron. Julz: I I need the behind the scenes footage to know that if that was written or if he just was like, you know what, I'm gonna try this. Me too. Nick: I could really see it, bro. I could the actor that James Spader is, I could see him just be, this is perfect. And then he just he spits it off. Julz: actually guys I've been working on something. Let me cook. Nick: Nah, for real. Like, and honestly, this that might be my favorite thing about this show. I'm Julz: Bader. Nick: okay, James Spader performance wise for sure, but not even like just in the show as a whole, like I wouldn't have expected the show like I knew knowing it was be gonna be about AIs, I would have never expected them to portray all these different AI or computer sit situations in human situations. You know, so we got Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: like the exorcism, we got them trying to you know, when Vision and Ultron are going going around trying to figure out where the you know where the shit's coming from. They're doing like a whole true crime like detective thing, trying to get past the the security and everything. Like they're you know Julz: Right. Nick: So they're taking all these, non human processes and making them human portrayals and it's just like probably the coolest thing I you know I could have asked for that I never even imagined that they would include. So Julz: Right. Nick: man, I love I I I love it. Like and it and Ed Edith like kind of being the biggest representation of that, the way that she literally Julz: Yes. Nick: she's changing her outfits for every single task that she has to do, you know, like my god. Julz: It it's hilarious, especially when she jumped into the the priest outfit to do the the the code exercises. Control all delete Nick: Hey, cray. Julz: from this mindscape or whatever she said. Nick: Bro, because at first first okay when I first saw it, like the first second I saw that that that's what they were going for, I was like, okay, this could be corny. Like this could like we could Yeah, we could we could steer in that direction. I hope it but then literally, literally, like they just Julz: it was super corny in the beginning, but then it hit. The delivery of James Spader's line was was was is what made the scene for me. Nick: w they just wrote it in a way that that was like, okay, I can't, I'm not even mad. I can't be mad. Like I can't. So it's just it's too good. It's too good. Julz: It it was perfect. It was perfect. And then so, you know, after that, while holding him hostage from the inside and threatening Tommy, Eve manages to temporarily expel, you know, the Butcher Bird killer. But vision system remains heavily compromised. And realizing he cannot defeat this entity alone, whenever she finds him, 'cause you know, or whatever whenever he finds her, 'cause they they figure out through their their detective work, the Sherlock Holmes stuff, where we get you dummy and use first first words, if you will. They took Or Tommy and him, you know, meet up with Lisa, they get clothes and stuff changed. Vision just, you know, edit edit it what he was wearing. And then, you know, which was super funny. Do you did you enjoy the Italian scene when they were while she was pickpocketing the people? Nick: bruh with the hands? With her little her coat of arms. my bro, she literally like like Julz: Yes, the coat of arms. I never thought of that as far as like I'm like, wow, that's some that's some next level pickpocketing. Nick: Yeah, and that's actually that's a comic pull 'cause in apparent and which honestly I didn't even know that she was Julz: Mm. Nick: 'cause I think I I'd heard the character or I'd seen the character coat of arms in like Young Avengers comic I was reading. and Julz: so they like they like they threw that in there as a comic reference, literally. Like Coat of Arms is literally a young Avenger. Nick: Yeah, except usually the coat the the coat of arms is a little more like it's more used as an ac an action thing, but they just Julz: Yeah. Nick: threw it in there as okay it fits her pickpocket MO and everything, which I think was really well done. 'Cause they don't you know, I it doesn't seem like they need her to be doing all this multiple arms shit amongst all this, you know, Android stuff that's going on. yeah, yeah, yeah. So Julz: Right. I mean, especially after what we're we're gonna get into, you know, but like so like Nick: so yeah, but that I thought yeah, that was that was really cool. Julz: Yeah. Nick: But yeah, so yeah, they're at the gala, they're trying to send where it's a gala for the anniversary of you know the Sokovia incident with Ultron and Age of Ultron originally. And Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: this was really interesting. I don't know if they did this on purpose, but like if you think about it, Tommy brought Vision back to life the night before the the gala, right? And the gala Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: is the anniversary of Sokovia in Julz: So it was when he was born. Nick: It was late, he got brought back to life on his birthday. Like, that's crazy. That's crazy. I'm not gonna take full credit. Julz: just cooked. You just cooked. I didn't realise that. I didn't reali Nick: I saw it on Twitter first. I saw it on Twitter, but like that is that's tough. That's tough. Come on now. so yeah, they're you know, they're at the gala, they're you know, ca kind of going around looking for clues, Jacosta Jacosta pulled up, right? Julz: Right. So I I was and 'cause that's what I was gonna say. Let me let me take the wheel here because I was Nick: Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Julz: get it, take the wheel. I I had that loaded up. So Nick: Okay, okay. Julz: so basically, Nick: Nice. Julz: guys, Ultron, you know, convinces Vision after Vision's getting his butt camped to him, So Vision was getting his butt handed to him and so, Nick: Yeah, yeah. Julz: you know, he says in his mindscape, I I can't beat her and then Ultron says, Let me take the wheel. Give me the body. Give me control. He does. And just like we would all expect Ultron to do, he put them in jail and shut everything and shut them out from everything. they figure out that Joe Carrington, one of the people who created the base blueprint and the base code for all of the AI that we know, she created Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: it. We figure out she gets sick. Something happens to her, they take and they take you know, they they the CEO potentially wronged her in some way, which is, Nick: Mm. Julz: you know, and when they try to get appeal to her humanity, she comes back a little bit, shows her face, but then comes then comes back to Jacosta. And then w that's when we see Ultron take control. And then we get this really Nick: Mm. Julz: cool scene of him in his room. He's, you know, it's like there's, you know, waves about and then he it's like, you know, he's a ish a captain of a ship. a kind of like it was kind of Nick: Yeah, he takes. Julz: like Captain Barbosa and one of the scenes from Pirates of the Caribbean is the only thing I can compare it to. Nick: True, true. Or it reminds me the back to the ship of Theseus thing, 'cause Ultron told Vision in the last two episodes, you don't have to you don't you're not the ship, you have to be the goddamn king. And so, I feel like that kinda tie relates to that too, like, you know, he's dri now Ultron's trying to be the king, he's trying to drive the ship, he's trying to drive the boat. Julz: Right. And then and then the ship of these is obviously there it was about, vision trying to get him to to stomp him so that to buy everybody time and wand a vision, but which is this imprinting moment for our vision because he now, you know, has that in his mindscape where it's like, you know, all right, like who am I? Am I him? Am I him and by me and so I feel like that's a very good part of the story as well. But you know, once Vision and the other internal A AI avatars inside the mindspace quarantine zone they put him into the where in Ultron puts them into his old room and pretty much locks the windows, locks everything, shuts everything down. Now Ultron cannot escape even though he's in control of the body. Which is something we should note because of the firewalls Nick: Nice. Yep. Julz: they have. So at this point, Ultron still needs them, just even if he want or or he can keep you know masquerading his vision. Which he probably doesn't want to do. Nick: Yeah, he can use the b Yeah. I obviously his original plan goal was he wanted Vision's body, but at this point after he's vision's still damaged from the, these animantian rounds. So it's like he can't do all the things that he can normally do. so in in a in a way I forgive Vision a little more for letting him take Ultron take control given that 'cause at first I was like, Julz: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Nick: Yo, bruh, he could literally go and go and take start to take over the world right now. But Julz: I wonder if this vision would be able to pick up Mueller. Nick: With Ultron behind the wheel, or this or or just this version of Vision. Mmm. Julz: No, just just vision. Yep. I wonder if we'll find that out. Nick: That's a good question, my friend. You might have just cooked with that question. Julz: I don't know, 'cause think about it, the vision we had that was first was able to pick it up from in s and from birth. From the moment he was awake, he could pick it up. I wonder through all the Nick: Mm, mm-hmm. Because he had the he had the mindstone. Julz: you know, the things our this vision has been through and how he was created by sword, but like still vision with memories. I wonder if he would be worthy enough to pick it up or if that would affect it, because he's the sword version, but technically w was given the memories of the real vision. And it is the rebuilt Nick: Yeah. Tbh Julz: vid part of him. Nick: yeah. TBH I think at this point in time no. Just because he's I think Julz: Okay. I don't think so too. I don't think he would either. Nick: b yeah, Julz: That's not because he's killing, I think it's because he's confliction with himself. Nick: no, exactly. hey, Thor be killing all the time, bro. Thor Thor Thor has put some Julz: Exactly, I was gonna say. Nick: people into the ground with Muelnear. So I don't think killing is, yeah, is it Mm-hmm. Exactly, exactly. So, Julz: literally. Mjolnir has put things into the ground herself. Put it like that. Put it like that. Nick: but I don't know if Vision's whole arc for for this show is going to be like to get back obviously I think he's gonna end up in a place where he's not the ex literally the same vision that we had before, but he's able to have this like he he's gonna be able to have the same emotions that the old vision had. Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: And so it's like how do we get there without the mindstone and without Wanda? And so Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: we kind of have a part of that answer because we have Tommy. And so like obviously Julz: Exactly. Nick: you know we have Vision Son, but the other half is like, okay, how is he going to be able to like feel as deeply as our old our other vision was able to feel without a minestone to be able to kinda open up to be able to to do that. and so Julz: Right, which is hard, you know, he can't do it now and it's like and that's like his his problem, but I feel like because of that he's gonna become a better vision because he had to get it there the hard way. Nick: Ooooo Okay, honestly, I know w we still have to talk about the next the l the most recent two episodes, but this theory I I have to say it. I have to say it. I have to say it. Julz: Go say it, say it. Nick: Think about this. We what what we were just saying in that conversation, vision needs to get that emotion, you know, that the old vision had without the milestone, right? Julz: shit, does he fall in love? Nick: Not even that no, I don't think that. I think who do we know in that we've took that has been talked about in this series that had too much emotion? No. Jim Hammond. Julz: Dr. Banner. Wanda? Wait, who? Nick: The the the portrait of the flaming AI Yes, he died because he yeah, he felt too Julz: he died from feeling too much. Yes, yes, yes. Human the human torch. Nick: much. And so maybe what if what I don't know how he would be alive. I don't like they haven't given us enough information to be like to for us to know any of anything about his where his whereabouts might be. But Julz: Wait, you talking about bringing him back? Nick: bro, what if he's the dude in the hat because after After what what the monologue that we got in episode six, where w which we'll get to a little it's like, wait, he's pr he's literally promising vision that he can make him whole again. So could it be him and he's like do does he wanna switch bodies or something? does he w like I don't I don't I don't know. Julz: 'Cause Ultron and and Shorty are gonna are together, they're kissing doing their thing. We're just gonna let's let's just So in episode five With Ultron seizing control over Vision's body, physical body at the end of episode four. Vision and his internal AI team, Edith, Friday and Dummy and you are quarantined in the in the blacked out mind space. They discover a twenty hour lag in their sensor feed. Because Ultron has cut off cut them off from, you know, seeing or viewing anything. And they eventually Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: find an encrypted book. or it looks like maybe a TV guide with a bunch of T V channels but it's all code. Vision finds it figures it out and says, it's encrypted. Okay, we're gonna de unencrypt it or decrypt it. They do that. They figure out, him and Paladin we're pen pals. Wow. So then they they go through CCTV scan or t cameras and find where Vision and Tommy went or Ultron and Tommy went. Ultron takes Tommy for a pint. And, you know, gives him gets him milk while he drinks an old fashioned like just just how dad used to have it or however he he said that. Nick: Yeah. Julz: And so which I thought it's hilarious because it's like Ultron has a has a very intricate, you know, with hu thing with humans where he admires us in a way, but he also despises us, unless you're an artist. But you know, and he also kind of confirms this to Tommy where he says, Yeah, I wouldn't you know, maybe I would kill everybody. Well you know, not the artists though. They're the only ones who tell the truth. Nick: Yeah, literally. Julz: And so I think that was cool, just to see that. But then Nick: And it it just furthers the conversation of this whole series of like what are Ultron's true intentions here? Like we've all been we've been wondering, like obviously we we we all kind of lean eve like you know with destruction, you know, in humanity type shit like before, but Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: you know, now he you know he's a it seems a little more like like diverse I guess in terms of like he you know he likes art, he can appreciate something about the human race, you know, so it's but we'll see. We'll see. But you were saying. Julz: So, no that was perfect. But I was saying though that like, you know, once once we, you know, get that conversation and then we get the son of the witch comment because Tommy you know really put pol ul put Ultron in the grippers and was like, Yes. He got clocked. That being said, Nick: Clocked him. Clocked the the hell out of that man. Yeah. Damn. Julz: when he got clocked, He gets up, takes get another drink, maybe. In that very moment, in the instantaneous moment right there, there was an AI conversation had. We didn't see it on the C C T V camps, but Vision did. And then once he turns to the fine thing, he you know, he Nick: 'Cause there was there was just one Bruh. Julz: gets the he see you see the the AI conversation embedded in the C C T V video. And it only was a second. Nick: Mm-hmm. But in just one little glitch. Yeah. There was just there was a whole Julz: Mm-hmm. It was just a second. Nick: whole like what? six minute conversation that, you know, between between Ultron and Jacosta. Yeah, facts. They it was like a like a blind date or like a first date. Like, my God. Julz: Yep. Yep. They met, basically. That was them introducing each other to each other. And Yes, it was like a first date. That's a great way to put it. It was it was almost it was like, as Edith put it, watching Hannibal Lecter swipe right. Nick: Yeah. Julz: Which was perfect. Nick: That was literally the perfect way to put it. 'Cause it's like, bro, I'm I I don't know how to feel right now. I'm watching two two evil you know, two bad guys that are AI no less, but you they're in human form and they're like hitting it off. But like you don't know either of their real intent. Like you could tell they're both kind of they're both actually interested in like the whatever the connection is here, but they're Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: also both very, you know, they both have their inner motivations they're dedicated to. And And Ultron has the upper hand here because he before he killed, the that CEO lady from the gala, he took her facial scan, and so you know Jacosta needs this to kind of complete the the you know her plan that she's been building up. Julz: Right. He has something she wants. Nick: Exactly. So he has the upper hand here and he he's he he's flirting, he they're they're talking about they're talking about whiskey, they're talking about how Ultron's like you listen, listen, I don't wanna I can't appreciate it. I've never I've never actually tasted it. You have you have an experience to base it on. I I don't. So like we can't, you know, we can't keep doing this thing. And then she's like, hey, or no, no. And then they go he takes her to look at some art in the Louvre. You know, they go, they they they're looking at the Louvre. He's like, you know, and in I think in the scene, he quotes something that Vision said. he said, like, humans are like can be I can't remember what it was. It was like something about how like they're Julz: So he took Vision as a line, I forgot about that. Which is Nick: Nah, for real for real. He's he he's kinda s and he's he spit it to Jacosta, but then that's when Jacosta was like, nah, wait, you gotta be you can't be this naive. And then she's like, all Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: right, let me let me show you something. And then they go into a little record record shop mindscape. And and she's like, Julz: Yeah. Nick: all these all these songs about romance, heartbreak, da da da da. Repetitive. Like, d you know, doesn't mean nothing. Like, it's all garbage or it's all b it's all bullshit. And it's just like, bro, like And I'm paraphrasing obviously, but they're they were they were really spitting. they they were both arguing about hu humanity and how like you know their negative tendencies and like where they're where things are headed and you know and and things like that, but also they're still flirting at the same time and like trying to get at each other, and it's just like Julz: Mm-hmm. And that was the crazy part, was watching them flirt and watching Ultron flirt, which was super funny, I might add. And like we also learned l later on that when Ultron, you know, comes up the steps or comes up the elevator and basically says, Drop the firewalls, guys, and let me out. Just let me out. Get the body back, we all win. And then we get, you know, a scene where Vision makes the decision to drop the firewalls and then Ultron escapes into the web. Now that being said, it's dangerous because now he's free. And we don't know what he's gonna do. The last time he was free, he killed a bunch of people. Nick: He could go anywhere. Julz: Literally. So he goes to his Nick: Do anything. Julz: you know, his beloved and then we have a tragic moment where we're we don't know what's gonna happen, where Friday follows through with him through the web and fake and Nick: Bro. Julz: chases him. Nick: Bro. Not Friday, bruh. Julz: And then we end the episode there. And so that was definitely a cliffhanger to end on. We we find out that Vision's on a a plane to Madrapor alongside Tommy's friend Elisa, and then he discovers Ultron deliberately programmed his physical body to travel to Madrapor to rescue Tommy, revealing an unexpected threat of decency or paternal duty buried in Ultron's programming. Which is honestly something cool to do anyways. So Nick: Yeah, you see. Nah, literally I wasn't expecting he said, Listen, listen, you gon I know you yeah, I I know I know you let me out and I know things have been rocky, but I will leave you in in a good position to save your son. Okay? I will, you know. Julz: Right. And it's like I I care about my grandchild is basically how I'm taking it. That's how I look at it. he's like I'm not Nick: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Julz: that big of a monster. That's my grandson. That's my papa. That's my I'm his papa. Or Pops. Whatever was it Pops? Did he say? It was pop pop. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Nick: Right. Not facts. I s I care too. I'm just pop. Pop pop. It was like pop or pop pop or yeah. my god, bruh. Julz: But that being said, that brings us into our episode six, final part of the episode. This episode we're in Madrapur, Pal we find out that Paladin has a murder machine or murder van in every port around the world. Cool to me. I thought that was pretty cool because, you know, Nick: Yep, yep. Julz: when you have a van that can emit an EMP pulse with killer drones and all the weapons you need, that's pretty pretty sick. Plus the surgery, you know So we find Nick: Yep. Julz: out that he puts a bomb in Tommy's arm. Nick: Which I was this was a good I when Julz: Simply. Nick: I saw this, which I okay, I by the end of the episode, this this this thought changes because we find obviously we find we f we find out that the bomb is fake. But in that moment where we knew where we thought it was a bomb, or and he said that, I was like, this is some this is some some OG flash shit right here. I was like, yeah, Julz: hundred percent. Nick: we're already like he isn't he's only r we've only seen this Julz: Because that is the only way you can you stop a super speed dude. Don't Nick: Exactly. that was that's what they did to that the they did that to wait, maybe I'm tripping. Julz: They took that straight from Batman where he he bolted the thing through his wrist. The bomb, remember? And he couldn't stop running at that time. Nick: But didn't didn't didn't Wally West also do that in Young Justice at some point? he had to keep running or something like that? Maybe somet something like that. Julz: he might have had something like that. May but it wasn't to s it made him keep running. It didn't he whatever it was, he had to keep running. It wasn't to you Nick: Or yeah, he couldn't stop. Julz: right, it wasn't to it was you had to keep moving. So that was which I thought was fun. 'Cause with Flash it Nick: Yeah, yeah. No, literally in Julz: was Mirmaster Nick: I was like, like, we've only seen Tommy run actually once, and we're already like hitting them with speedster, speedster type, you know, you know, technology and stuff, but then obviously it turned out to be but Julz: Exactly. Exactly. And which is cool. Nick: which I mean that's a smart move on Paladin because it's like even he didn't actually have a bomb that could do that. Julz: He wasn't gonna kill Decay. Nick: Yeah, yeah. But he said he knew if he said that then he ain't gonna use his powers. So Julz: Right, exactly. So which worked out in his favor, him and Vision end up teaming up because then it's revealed that the client has brought has brought back an old villain, Raza, who we haven't seen since Iron Man, where he takes Tony Stark to the Afghanistan cave, I think. Nick: I was like, huh? Is that is that Raza? Is that is Julz: I think it is. Nick: that Iron Man One? Is that what? Like, that was crazy. Julz: I'm like, dang, I was a child 2008. Obama just was it when his first his first thing, his first term. I'm like, wow, that's a pull. Nick: Yeah, no, literally. Which hey No, literally. Two thousand eight. Two thousand eight, bruh. But hats hats off to hats off to this show again for all the MCU like deep cuts and references and stuff. Cause like they could have just got any old any old thug, any old you know, any like gang bang or whatever, like to to play him or whatever, and but they they pulled him. They pulled it. And you know, it makes sense. It's cool, so Julz: And who and and this is the and not to mention he's a Ten Rings commander. And then Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: w and then the ambush scene, you know, they they're killing, you know, they're there's civilians, they're pinned down, paladin gets shot, Vision has to carterize his wound with his fingers, didn't tell him that he was gonna do it, but he did it, and then it's revealed that Roz was dispatched by the client. and to eliminate Paladin to for failing to harvest Vision's body for himself. And then the unholy alliance, Tommy uses his speed to help Vision escape. Seeing visions, emotional bond with Tommy triggers something with an Ultron, deepening their connection. And then Ultron aligns with Jacosta, culminating a synth, romance, kiss, and a pact between them to cure humanity. And what they meant by that is she used one of her little nanobot things to pretty much pass on, like the only thing I I can describe as a technovirus. And first time we've Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: seen something like this was X Men 97, where Mr. Sinister did this. And so I think that, you know, that itself was really cool. Like, you know, I think that Ultron convincing it not to be Tommy because he was like, you know, hey, if you you kill his son, he's not he's going to kill both of us and I can't stop him. I like I want you to know Nick: But he ate Julz: when Nick: that fact he he he he did not lie, but at the same time Ultron's starting to crack a little bit. Ultron's starting to he's you ca you you caring, my boy. You ca which is it's cool Julz: We do. Nick: that we're actually seeing him start to care a little bit when like throughout the these last two episodes we be we keep hearing like he he he's telling Jacosta, I've never fully been able to get there in terms of connection and stuff. And da da da da da and Tommy when he read him, he said, You'll never you'll never feel anything for anybody. Julz: Snap open it. Nick: Yeah, you'll never be connected to anybody. And so it's like, maybe that's not so true. Maybe, he actually Julz: And it's also like a I feel like he has kind of a Lestat mom thing going on because technically she's the mother of all of them. So it's kind of a Oedipus Rex thing happening. Nick: Very interesting, very interesting take. But n I mean it that's that's right, like 'cause she she technically is. And like, wow, I didn't even think about it like that. Julz: it's it's a little bit of an Oedipus complex he's experiencing right now where he's like kinda dude, don't don't even it's confirmed if he does. Nick: If he calls her mommy at any point, it's confirmed. It's confirmed. Julz: But like y in listeners, watchers, viewers, you know, in Duisland and Brazil and wherever you're tuning in from and Brazil and you know, Bolivia, Venezuela, but like Netherlands, think that if you if if we hear this or see this we just cooked again because that is I like if he says mom mommy or reference her is in a any motherly fashion Oedipus Rex I'm sorry and I and like it Nick: Facts. Julz: fits Ultrons like you know like he like Nick: No, yeah, no, his cadence, his yeah, he would like he would he's in the pocket to say to call anybody mommy, honestly. just for for the Julz: Right. So I'm like, this works too well because he as Nick: Facts. Julz: an AI would have to know, yeah, that's mom. Like she created my base code. Like, yeah, that's Nick: Facts. Literally, bruh. Julz: like if my fathers are stark and banner, she's the mom. Nick: Or she would be she could be she I guess she would be the or she could be the grandma. Julz: 'Cause she created the base code they sold it to Stark Industries. Nick: Yeah, facts. I yeah, I guess she would yeah, she would still be the mom 'cause they yeah, fair. Fair. Yeesh. That's crazy, but Julz: So yeah, so and she's the mom technically for everyone. So all of them, that's her mom. Which is crazy to think about. Nick: Yeah, yeah. Which which was an interesting yeah, no, I was about to say that's an interesting revelation, like in general that like we all these years we thought that Tony just created Jarvis. but Julz: Right, but it wasn't him. Nick: we find out that, he just ha he just got the base for Jarvis. With and even with in the flashback that Jacosta, we saw Jacosta's origin story that she showed Ultron and you know, she so she sa sh was talking about, you know, the illness and you know, she created the, you know, basically created the base for Jarvis and everything. We heard Jarvis talk for the first time. He said he said, I am I I am Julz: I am, I I am. Nick: That was good. That was good. I'm sorry. That was good. that's good writing right there. Like three line and a good good delivery by Julz: perfect. And because Nick: Paul Bettney. Julz: in the Bible it says it it says something like that where he's like or where y Yahweh means I am that I am or something like that. Like I can't remember exactly, Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: but it was like it's also one of those like you know, toss-ups which was like I kinda like that for me. But that being said, Nick: Yeah, yeah, that was tough. Julz: let's give us let's give both these episodes our good old rating. I gotta you know For the first episode I got about a eight I got a nine on that one. I'll give it a nine. And then on my second episode, I really liked that episode, so it also got a nine. Nick: Okay, okay. Okay. I think I give I give both probably give both or okay. Yeah, I'll probably give both an eight okay, I'll give the first one an eight point like five. Julz: Okay. Nick: And then I'll give the next one. No, no, no. I'll give the first one an 8.3. Next one an eight point five. Cause I think I liked last week's two better just because the whole time I was like, I was like, yeah, yeah, let's go. Let's go. And this time I Julz: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick: I was still in it. It was just like a lot of back and forth between Jacosta and Ultron, which is really good Julz: Yeah. Nick: stuff, but it just like wasn't as like kind of ramp up type shit as a Julz: Right. Nick: you know as the up as the last two. But but yeah, either way, I'm you know, really good overall. I'm loving it. I can't wait. Julz: It was perfect for me. Nick: to find out where this goes. And now that we've they've raised the bar on the mystery of the the benefactor for you know for paladin and stuff Julz: Mm-hmm. Nick: because like of that scene with with raza and you know like the the the dude come the client comes out and speaks to vision like literally you know has this whole monologue about you know I can help you you're you know the thing that you're missing is you know the emotions that the old vision had I can give them to you I can make you whole you know you're a t like a tin man without And it's just wow, what who is this dude? He's wearing a hat. we're everybody's wondering who wears hats in the MCU Julz: Yeah. Nick: and it's just I I don't know. But back again, back to the theory I said earlier, I'm thinking maybe it's Jim Hammond because I Julz: Maybe it is and you know what? maybe he's just been been low this whole time and just keeping himself off the radar. But I I think we'll see because that 'cause his code was used for their base code and that's so like I guess he kinda is the father too. And she's the mother. Or they're the grandmother and Nick: Maybe. Julz: grandfather and then Tony's the th mm. That's a good that the now we're getting into the stones, but I I think that it is Nick: I could see, I could y yeah, yeah. Julz: that is cool. But yeah no, I thought that, you know, we have some really good episodes. We have a really good one coming next week. you know, more than an hour. And yeah, man, I think this is they they did this justice and it was a great way to kind of wrap up White Vision for Doomsday and for whenever we see him again after that. You know, I felt Nick: Mm-hmm. Julz: like it was a good way to give Ultron 'Cause I'm I don't know of how many times we'll see Ultron again after this. But me too, but I like, Nick: I hope we see him again, bruh. I hope I Julz: you know, James Spader, I'm not saying he's getting too old, but like 'cause you just he's CGI. So like you can just CGI him. Nick: No, exactly. We could just keep using his voice. I'm I'm not saying AI his voice, but I'm just we could he just Julz: Right, right, right, right. Nick: has to do voice performances, but and I keep seeing Julz: And so Nick: all these tweets about how well how much everybody loves Ultron and all these bars he's spinning and stuff. To think that we had this for one movie like what twelve years ago and then we didn't have anything for twelve years Julz: Until now. Nick: and then now we're just eating. Now we're just eat you could have we could have been eating this whole time if y'all didn't kill him. obviously you didn't you didn't kill him, but Julz: Exactly. Nick: it's Ultron. Like goddamn when the MCU started. Julz: When he gets his body back, that's gonna be where we're 'cause I think we're gonna get his body back at the end. And then it's not gonna be a fight. Vision's gonna let him go. He's gonna just be like, Hey man, be good or else I'm gonna have to come look for you and delete you Like Nick: I do low key think that Ultron might turn on Jakasta. I could see that. And I could see Julz: Me too. Nick: that if that happened, then I could that that would make that make more sense. Julz: It's gonna be the one it's gonna be when she tries to take the artist too. And then he's gonna really have a problem about it. Nick: He said no. He's gonna sh Julz: You b you bcher bird bitch Nick: He said Damn. Yeah. we'll see. We'll see. Julz: I don't know what he would say though, but you or he might call her a clanker, who knows? Nick: A clanker bruh, if they said clanker, bruh, just Julz: Nick that Nick is Nick would self immolate on the spot if they said that. Like if you've ever seen Nick: This might become Julz: the Family Guy episode where Peter's head just blows up from excitement, that would that's what that's what would happen Nick: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Julz: to you. Nick: No, no. I need to honestly, that's the perfect there's so there's so many moments watching certain things where I feel like that. And now that you say that, I need to clip it and save it in my phone for for for for so so I can send it to you so it's it's like that. Yeah, exactly. Julz: As a as a as a as like a gift, like so you can just pff Nick: Exactly. Like a a reaction meme. But Julz: Correct. Exactly. Perfect perfect reaction, meme. But that wraps up another episode of the concession stand. Let us know what you're what you thought about everything we talked about today and what you're watching or looking forward to next. And be sure to like and subscribe and follow the show so you don't miss the next episode. And until next time, grab a refill and meet us back at the concession stand. Nick: Peace.