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- 0:10Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's just gone one o'clock on Wednesday, the
- 0:13Speaker 1: eighteenth of June twenty twenty five. Welcome to the UK
- 0:16Speaker 1: Column News. I'm your host Charles Mannett joining me in
- 0:19Speaker 1: the studio. Today's Ben Rubin. Welcome to the program. Ben,
- 0:21Speaker 1: Thank you Charles, and we have Vanessa Bailey joining from Lebanon,
- 0:25Speaker 1: Sandy Adams I remote link from Somerset, and doctor Liz
- 0:29Speaker 1: Evans from West Sussex. Now today's program will in many
- 0:33Speaker 1: ways extend the theme of Monday's news program, and I
- 0:37Speaker 1: mean by that we will be articulating the threads that
- 0:40Speaker 1: bind together the agenda which expressed themselves even at the
- 0:43Speaker 1: most local level to push out globalist policy. And to
- 0:47Speaker 1: that end, we will be taking a look at the
- 0:49Speaker 1: context in the Middle East within which the escalation of
- 0:52Speaker 1: the current bomflict concerning Iran is set and how that
- 0:56Speaker 1: pertains to the sustainable development goals and in particular there oras,
- 1:00Speaker 1: and also looking at the local level and how householders
- 1:04Speaker 1: are affected by policy concerning the agenda and subversion of
- 1:10Speaker 1: such local authorities, as well as the latest on the
- 1:14Speaker 1: push for pharmaceutic called propaganda and weight loss jabs, and
- 1:18Speaker 1: also the latest environmental concerns over the relentless push towards AI. Now,
- 1:25Speaker 1: as I say, we're going to make a start with
- 1:27Speaker 1: the conflict in the Middle East, but in particular the
- 1:31Speaker 1: context within which that's set and tracing it back through history.
- 1:35Speaker 1: So we'll go to Vanessa now in Lebanon.
- 1:42Speaker 2: Wanted to do today is to basically show a road
- 1:46Speaker 2: map for the war that is currently being waged against
- 1:51Speaker 2: Iran that began a long time ago.
- 1:54Speaker 3: But let's look at two.
- 1:55Speaker 2: Thousand and nine and the Brookings Institute paper which Path
- 2:00Speaker 2: to Persia? If we can just have a look at
- 2:03Speaker 2: the actual slide itself options for a new American strategy
- 2:09Speaker 2: toward Iran. Now, the Brookings Institute is one of the
- 2:13Speaker 2: heavyweights among the so called think tanks, with connections to
- 2:17Speaker 2: the State Department, to the Military, Ministry of Defense, and
- 2:22Speaker 2: also in nineteen fifty two received funding from the Rockefeller
- 2:25Speaker 2: Foundation and the Ford Foundation, so they're very influential. So
- 2:30Speaker 2: let's have a look at this actual strategy paper. The
- 2:33Speaker 2: link will be up in the show notes that people
- 2:35Speaker 2: can go through it at will. It's one hundred and
- 2:37Speaker 2: seventy pages. So which path to Persia? So this is
- 2:42Speaker 2: the part one, the trouble with Iran. US policy options
- 2:48Speaker 2: towards Iran, and Part one is basically dissuading Tehran, ironically
- 2:55Speaker 2: called the diplomatic options. So let's have a look at
- 2:58Speaker 2: what that actually tails. So we then have a chapter.
- 3:04Speaker 2: We just have the next slide, please, So first of all,
- 3:09Speaker 2: chapter one and offer Iran shouldn't refuse. So this began
- 3:14Speaker 2: back in two thousand and five through the method of persuasion,
- 3:18Speaker 2: which of course we're all well aware of with regards
- 3:20Speaker 2: to COVID and to various other regional wars, particularly against
- 3:25Speaker 2: Iraq and Syria with the weapons of mass destruction and
- 3:28Speaker 2: so on.
- 3:28Speaker 3: So in two.
- 3:29Speaker 2: Thousand and five, Bush was already trying to persuade Iran
- 3:33Speaker 2: to halt any kind of nuclear development, even though of
- 3:37Speaker 2: course at that point they were also not looking at
- 3:41Speaker 2: developing nuclear weapons. So if we actually have a look
- 3:47Speaker 2: at this slide, it shows basically that the nuclear weapon
- 3:53Speaker 2: gag has been running for about thirty years. People can
- 3:57Speaker 2: freeze frame this obviously the writing is very small.
- 4:00Speaker 3: Can freeze frame and have a look at all.
- 4:01Speaker 2: Of the accusations levied at Iran for the last thirty
- 4:05Speaker 2: years of having or wanting to develop nuclear weapons. And
- 4:10Speaker 2: then twenty twelve, this was Benjamin Natanyahu, Israeli's Prime Minister
- 4:15Speaker 2: at the un GA, who of course showed his his
- 4:23Speaker 2: bomb nuclear bomb image at the UNNGA.
- 4:27Speaker 3: And then moving on back.
- 4:29Speaker 2: To the actual paper itself and in the second part
- 4:35Speaker 2: in the paper, if we can just have the slid please, sorry, tempting.
- 4:41Speaker 2: So this is chapter two tempting Iran the engagement option,
- 4:47Speaker 2: which is basically again related very much to the negotiations
- 4:52Speaker 2: over Iran's nuclear program. And then moving on to the
- 4:57Speaker 2: following chapter which is related to disarming Tehran, the military
- 5:03Speaker 2: option if we can again, sorry, thank you, Chapter three
- 5:08Speaker 2: going all the way, which would involve US invasion. Chapter
- 5:12Speaker 2: four the Ohsiic option, which would include air strikes. Now
- 5:17Speaker 2: that relates to Operation Opera, a Zionist operation back in
- 5:21Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one. In seventy seven, they Mossad claimed to
- 5:26Speaker 2: have found that Iraq under Sadam Hussein was developing a
- 5:30Speaker 2: plutanium reactor and they bombed the Asiic plant in Iraq
- 5:38Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty one, and it then became known as
- 5:41Speaker 2: the Bagan doctrine, which basically, if an Arab leader.
- 5:45Speaker 3: Calls for the destruction of Israel.
- 5:47Speaker 2: They will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons, so
- 5:49Speaker 2: again putting historical context onto this, and then part three
- 5:54Speaker 2: of the actual which path to preasure, which includes regime change.
- 5:59Speaker 3: Not so rising.
- 6:00Speaker 2: Their Chapter six the Velvet Revolution, supporting a popular uprising,
- 6:04Speaker 2: which is very similar, of course to what we saw
- 6:06Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two with a Western orchestrated uprising
- 6:12Speaker 2: under the pretext of women's rights, and of course we
- 6:15Speaker 2: all know how women's rights are doing now in Syria
- 6:18Speaker 2: that the West has imposed their al Qaeda unelected government.
- 6:22Speaker 2: There Chapter seven inspiring an insurgency, supporting Iranian minority and
- 6:27Speaker 2: opposition groups, and again the West has been doing that
- 6:30Speaker 2: for a very long time with the mek the Modia
- 6:33Speaker 2: Haden el Khalque terrorist group. Chapter eight the coup, supporting
- 6:38Speaker 2: a military move against the regime, weaponizing the Iranian military
- 6:44Speaker 2: against their own government. Then moving on to part four,
- 6:48Speaker 2: which is deterring Tehran. This is known as containment in
- 6:53Speaker 2: the document, so this is basically relating to if they
- 6:56Speaker 2: fail in all other strategy. Chapter nine is accepting the
- 7:02Speaker 2: unacceptable and containment preventing Iran from expanding beyond its borders,
- 7:07Speaker 2: but potentially allowing it its nuclear program, and.
- 7:11Speaker 3: Of course not forgetting that.
- 7:13Speaker 2: Going from Bush to Obama to Trump and Trump Agan,
- 7:17Speaker 2: there has been this vascillation Trump pulling out of the
- 7:21Speaker 2: nuclear deal and then changing all of the conditions to
- 7:24Speaker 2: the nuclear deal from yes, they can enrich uranium to
- 7:28Speaker 2: know they can't, they must stop their entire missile program.
- 7:33Speaker 2: And of course Iran has historically stuck by its red lines,
- 7:37Speaker 2: which are that it can enrich uranium, it just will
- 7:41Speaker 2: not develop a nuclear bomb, and it's not going to
- 7:43Speaker 2: stop its missile program.
- 7:45Speaker 3: And then of course.
- 7:47Speaker 2: Moving on to the Samson option, this is Israel's plan
- 7:52Speaker 2: to to basically use nuclear weapons if it feels that
- 7:58Speaker 2: it's under existential threat. But this is from the article
- 8:02Speaker 2: in the Progressive. So the Samson option is not designed
- 8:05Speaker 2: to deter a nuclear adversary from a first strike or
- 8:08Speaker 2: counter strike Israel, as the only nuclear armed state in
- 8:11Speaker 2: the region. Rather, its purported purpose is to ensure Israel's survival.
- 8:16Speaker 3: Nuclear weapons would.
- 8:18Speaker 2: Be deliberately used against a non nuclear adversary as a
- 8:21Speaker 2: last resort to prevent an Israeli defeat. So clearly Israel
- 8:24Speaker 2: is the nuclear threat in the region. Now it's costing
- 8:28Speaker 2: Israel three hundred million per night to intercept the current
- 8:32Speaker 2: missiles coming in from Iran.
- 8:35Speaker 3: At the level that they're coming in.
- 8:38Speaker 2: There are three possibilities now. Either Israel will declare a
- 8:42Speaker 2: mission accomplished and declare victory. Regardless, according to the Washington Post,
- 8:47Speaker 2: they only have about another twelve days of being able
- 8:50Speaker 2: to actually intercept Uranian missiles until their air defense batteries
- 8:56Speaker 2: basically stop working. They will put potentially use the nuclear threat. Or,
- 9:02Speaker 2: of course, there is also potential for US and UK involvement,
- 9:07Speaker 2: which will lead to the devastation of the Gulf States,
- 9:10Speaker 2: the Arab Gulf States, the closure of the Hormon Straits,
- 9:14Speaker 2: and the triggering of the resistance factions in the region
- 9:17Speaker 2: against US BASS. So I just want to finally bring
- 9:21Speaker 2: in said Morandi, professor at Tehran University, speaking to Sky
- 9:27Speaker 2: News on exactly what Iran is going to do to
- 9:31Speaker 2: deal with this latest round of Zionist aggression.
- 9:37Speaker 3: Iran will not hit back harder.
- 9:38Speaker 4: Iran will hit back much harder. The head of the
- 9:41Speaker 4: Iranian forces says, Iran will destroy target and destroy all
- 9:46Speaker 4: of the Israeli region infrastructure.
- 9:49Speaker 3: This was the tip of the iceberg. Iran will lose.
- 9:52Speaker 4: No war, the Israeli regime will. It is time for
- 9:55Speaker 4: you and others to end your racism and to end
- 9:59Speaker 4: your support for the superior race, and to accept that
- 10:04Speaker 4: all people in Palestine have equal rights and the Palestinian
- 10:08Speaker 4: people have a right of return.
- 10:10Speaker 3: Return.
- 10:10Speaker 4: Jews, Christians and Muslims are equal. Unlike what you say,
- 10:15Speaker 4: they are equal.
- 10:15Speaker 5: And we will.
- 10:16Speaker 4: Accept nothing less than that the regime must go and
- 10:21Speaker 4: all people must be treated equally. And if the only thing,
- 10:25Speaker 4: there's no doubt that Israel will lose. But the only
- 10:28Speaker 4: variable here is the United States. If the United States
- 10:31Speaker 4: gets involved, have no doubt the US will be swept
- 10:35Speaker 4: out of Iraq by the Iraqi resistance and all its assets.
- 10:39Speaker 3: In the Persian golf will be destroyed.
- 10:44Speaker 2: So I think the message really to take away from
- 10:46Speaker 2: this is that nothing happens by coincidence or by accident
- 10:51Speaker 2: or suddenly. It is pre planned and the roadmap runs
- 10:55Speaker 2: through bipartisan residents from the instagram of these projects.
- 11:03Speaker 1: Absolutely so, yes, coincidences do not take place in this fashion,
- 11:07Speaker 1: and that's absolutely critical context which people are not having
- 11:11Speaker 1: been brought to them by the by the mainstream. Of course,
- 11:13Speaker 1: now we are aware that we're having a few technical
- 11:16Speaker 1: problems with the delivery of this program. This is not
- 11:19Speaker 1: entirely unusual and reflects what it is that we do,
- 11:23Speaker 1: so I apologize for that. We are going to stick
- 11:25Speaker 1: with it. So if you can stick with us, that
- 11:26Speaker 1: would be fantastic. No context is everything, as we say repeatedly,
- 11:31Speaker 1: and to that end, we're not going to look at
- 11:33Speaker 1: the sustainable development goals from Beurn.
- 11:36Speaker 6: Absolutely yes, and we're going to keep our eye on
- 11:39Speaker 6: the Brookings Institution. Actually, thanks Vanessa for that report. Fascinating context,
- 11:44Speaker 6: important context, and really important to understand that it's these unaccountable,
- 11:49Speaker 6: unelected think tanks behind the scenes that are really setting
- 11:53Speaker 6: the agenda, whether that's through the escalation of the conflict
- 11:56Speaker 6: in the Middle East that we've seen over the past
- 11:58Speaker 6: few days or indeed, I think people need to really
- 12:01Speaker 6: think about this in the formulation of global political and
- 12:06Speaker 6: economic policy that's currently being rolled out by our political leaders.
- 12:10Speaker 6: So the Brookings Institution is involved in planning conflict with Syria.
- 12:14Speaker 6: It's also directly involved in the strategy and delivery of
- 12:19Speaker 6: the sustainable development goals through this initiative. It's the seventeen Rooms,
- 12:24Speaker 6: so it is all about rejuvenating the sustainable development goals
- 12:27Speaker 6: through shared action. And this is a collaboration between the
- 12:32Speaker 6: Brookings Center for Sustainable Development you can just see in
- 12:35Speaker 6: the bottom left hand side there, and the Rockefeller Foundation.
- 12:38Speaker 6: And as Vanessa's just pointed out, the Rockefeller Foundation actually
- 12:42Speaker 6: provided the seed funding for the Brookings Institution, which means
- 12:45Speaker 6: actually what we're looking at here is just one single
- 12:47Speaker 6: power structure that is dictating terms to the rest of humanity.
- 12:52Speaker 6: What is seventeen rooms? So it's a grand international convening
- 12:57Speaker 6: of political corporate NGO type nothing democratic about this whatsoever.
- 13:03Speaker 6: Happens once a year since twenty eighteen. They all get together,
- 13:07Speaker 6: they have a lovely time. They collaborate, think creatively, get
- 13:13Speaker 6: around their blind spots, work with a dream team of experts,
- 13:16Speaker 6: make connections, spark action, and just go for it, right,
- 13:20Speaker 6: that's what they're up to. In twenty twenty four, there
- 13:23Speaker 6: were over one hundred people involved across each of the
- 13:27Speaker 6: seventeen rooms. Essentially, they create a room where a discussion
- 13:31Speaker 6: is convened, one for each sustainable development goal. And you've
- 13:35Speaker 6: got people there from JP Morgan, the Clinton Foundation, the
- 13:38Speaker 6: Blair Institute, very heavy NGO focused, a lot of academics
- 13:42Speaker 6: in the rooms. Importantly, though, there are only two co chairs, right,
- 13:48Speaker 6: So this is essentially about manufacturing a narrative of collaboration
- 13:52Speaker 6: around something which is actually only properly understood by these two.
- 13:58Speaker 6: So this is zeacahan and vice president of Innovation at
- 14:01Speaker 6: the Rockefeller Foundation and John mccarthur, director of the Center
- 14:05Speaker 6: of Sustainable Development at the Brookings Institution. Clearly loves the SDGs.
- 14:11Speaker 6: Where can I get my hands on one of those
- 14:13Speaker 6: T shirts? Isn't that just fantastic? Right? But ultimately, I
- 14:16Speaker 6: guess the point I'm making is that we get a
- 14:18Speaker 6: lot of communication delivered to us about the sustainable development
- 14:22Speaker 6: goals and the UN and the democratic processes that surround it.
- 14:27Speaker 6: But actually it's these two guys that are in control
- 14:30Speaker 6: of this, right, just two people and obviously the boards
- 14:33Speaker 6: that sit behind them. But the idea that this is
- 14:37Speaker 6: based on the shared understanding and best endeavors of the
- 14:42Speaker 6: holy humanities is really ludicrous, right, And this is crucial
- 14:46Speaker 6: for people to understand, not least because, as Vanessa's established,
- 14:49Speaker 6: Brookings Institution has been helping to define the strategy for
- 14:52Speaker 6: regime change in Iran. So the people dying in the
- 14:55Speaker 6: Middle East currently based on the thinking put forward by
- 14:57Speaker 6: these people, but also because the SDG are being used
- 15:01Speaker 6: by people like Lisa We're to at the Apolitical Foundation,
- 15:03Speaker 6: who's a young global leader of the World Economic Forum,
- 15:06Speaker 6: to reshape our political system from the top to the bottom.
- 15:09Speaker 6: That's what they're up to right now. And also to
- 15:12Speaker 6: drive this global public private partnership. Yeah, this integration of
- 15:17Speaker 6: government and financial market interest. Best evidence through the strategic
- 15:22Speaker 6: partnership that was signed in twenty nineteen between the UN
- 15:26Speaker 6: and the World Economic Forum. Uncle Klaus and Antonio Gatedez.
- 15:29Speaker 6: We can just see here very proud of the fact
- 15:32Speaker 6: that they've signed a strategic partnership in order to deliver
- 15:35Speaker 6: the sustainable development goals which we're developed by the same
- 15:38Speaker 6: people who are escalating conflict in the Middle East right now.
- 15:44Speaker 6: And importantly, as we'll get into and Sandy's going to
- 15:47Speaker 6: come and touch on this, and I'm going to come
- 15:49Speaker 6: back and speak about this as well. The thing that
- 15:51Speaker 6: Brookings are most particularly concerned about on their website, this
- 15:54Speaker 6: is the most recent post from May the fifteenth, is
- 15:57Speaker 6: building state and local government innovation capacity. They want to
- 16:03Speaker 6: transform our local councils and there'll be much more on
- 16:06Speaker 6: that as we go along in the show.
- 16:08Speaker 1: Excellent, thank you very much, Ben. And it's all about
- 16:10Speaker 1: these connections, most of them of course entirely inappropriate and sandy.
- 16:13Speaker 1: On that theme, obviously, people are continue asking sort of
- 16:16Speaker 1: what they can do and whether there are ever any successes.
- 16:18Speaker 1: So let's hear what the latest is on that.
- 16:23Speaker 7: Well.
- 16:23Speaker 8: A few weeks ago I mentioned that the West Dolage
- 16:26Speaker 8: Action Group had actually managed to overturn an LTN a
- 16:31Speaker 8: low traffic neighborhood within their neighborhood. And I just sort
- 16:37Speaker 8: of looked at this ruling and realized that the Landbouth
- 16:41Speaker 8: Council lost and it was denied appeal and the LTN
- 16:44Speaker 8: must be removed immediately, which is really quite quite a success.
- 16:49Speaker 8: The order is binding an enforceable as a court judgment,
- 16:52Speaker 8: and failure to comply could lead to contempt of court.
- 16:55Speaker 8: Now the council must also pay claimants legal costs thirty
- 16:59Speaker 8: five thousand pounds as ordered, plus potentially more for driver
- 17:03Speaker 8: refunds over the LTN fines, which is a massive win. Now.
- 17:08Speaker 8: The main tool used to win this case was the
- 17:11Speaker 8: gunning principle, which was a precedent set quite a while ago,
- 17:15Speaker 8: and the court focused on the procedural impropriety, particularly breaches
- 17:19Speaker 8: of the Gunning principles, which were principal one is the
- 17:23Speaker 8: formative stage and Principal two sufficient information, where the West
- 17:28Speaker 8: Dolis Action Group prepared a detailed fifty three page dossier
- 17:32Speaker 8: and this dossier was submitted to Lambeth Offices in June
- 17:35Speaker 8: twenty twenty four, but it wasn't taken into accounts and
- 17:39Speaker 8: then Principal four conscientious consideration. The judgment found that the
- 17:43Speaker 8: council officers ignored significant objections and produced selective partial reporting
- 17:49Speaker 8: of consultation responses without any explanation of why the dossier
- 17:53Speaker 8: wasn't weighed. Now, these procedural failings rendered the consultation unfair
- 17:59Speaker 8: and thus unlawful under established case law, which is Brent
- 18:04Speaker 8: versus Gunning and are Moseley versus Harringay. There this is
- 18:08Speaker 8: the precedent that was used. So the key takeaways are
- 18:12Speaker 8: you can draw direct parallels when challenging fifteen minutes. It
- 18:16Speaker 8: is renewable energy planning, five G master approvals, any sort
- 18:20Speaker 8: of consultation, the consultration was truly formative? Was the consultation
- 18:26Speaker 8: truly formative? Or was the decision already fixed, you know,
- 18:30Speaker 8: was it a predetermined outcome? Did the authority provide sufficient
- 18:35Speaker 8: info and informed a response and was this response time
- 18:39Speaker 8: adequate and accessible where the response is genuinely considered. Now
- 18:43Speaker 8: in this case, none of that was done. So that's
- 18:45Speaker 8: how it's overturned. Even if one principle is breached, a
- 18:50Speaker 8: court may find the process unlawful and orders to quash
- 18:53Speaker 8: decisions can be enforced, just as in the Stolage case.
- 18:57Speaker 8: So that's a reason to be cheerful this week. Okay,
- 19:01Speaker 8: thank you.
- 19:04Speaker 1: Sunny, Thank you very much. Indeed, and I think that
- 19:06Speaker 1: links neatly into what Ben's going to go on and
- 19:09Speaker 1: develop as a theme.
- 19:10Speaker 6: Indeed, it is yes, thanks for that, Sunny. That is
- 19:13Speaker 6: the reason to be cheerful, isn't it. And I think
- 19:15Speaker 6: that the people of East Sussex need to be aware
- 19:19Speaker 6: of that because we've got a consultation coming up, which
- 19:21Speaker 6: you're going to talk about in a moment. I will
- 19:22Speaker 6: just start with this one quote though from GK. Chestison.
- 19:27Speaker 6: What we should try to do is make politics as
- 19:29Speaker 6: local as possible, keep the politicians near enough to kick them.
- 19:34Speaker 6: The villagers who met under the village tree could also
- 19:36Speaker 6: hang their politicians to the tree. It is terrible to
- 19:39Speaker 6: contemplate how few politicians are hanged quite like that.
- 19:44Speaker 1: Right.
- 19:44Speaker 6: So this is on the back of the segment that
- 19:48Speaker 6: Brian delivered last week on Monday about the dissolution the
- 19:52Speaker 6: fatal com pleay essentially which has been handed to residents
- 19:56Speaker 6: of South Ham's in Devon, with local councils being dissolved
- 20:02Speaker 6: and the whole county ultimately apparently is going to be
- 20:07Speaker 6: integrated into one single authority under Plymouth Council without really
- 20:11Speaker 6: much discussion about this at all. And we've been in
- 20:14Speaker 6: undebt dated with examples over the past few days of
- 20:17Speaker 6: this happening elsewhere around the country, from the Highlands of
- 20:20Speaker 6: Scotland right the way back down to the south coast
- 20:23Speaker 6: of England. I'm going to focus on East Sussex today,
- 20:28Speaker 6: thanks to Flowy for sending this over and I'll draw
- 20:31Speaker 6: your attention to this article, which is who will govern
- 20:36Speaker 6: your council? Time to have your say, right And importantly
- 20:42Speaker 6: I think that the operative term is in the opening
- 20:47Speaker 6: paragraph there it says that there'll be there'll be one council.
- 20:50Speaker 6: The government wants to reorganize local government so that everyone
- 20:53Speaker 6: in East Sussex gets their services from just one council
- 20:57Speaker 6: it could mean apparently, so this means the county, district
- 21:02Speaker 6: and borough councils are going to be replaced to be
- 21:03Speaker 6: a single authority for about half a million people potentially, right,
- 21:08Speaker 6: And they're saying that this could happen. But as the
- 21:10Speaker 6: article goes on to say, a letter to the Government
- 21:12Speaker 6: from Wild and District Council suggests the smaller councils have
- 21:15Speaker 6: been given a little choice but to support their own
- 21:18Speaker 6: abolition given the time constraints and government criteria limits. And
- 21:23Speaker 6: so this apparently is just happening. Doesn't sound like any
- 21:26Speaker 6: of the Gunning principles have been adhered to, very importantly
- 21:30Speaker 6: and unsurprisingly, So what is this all about? Well, obviously
- 21:33Speaker 6: it's presented as a good thing. It's all about streamlining
- 21:37Speaker 6: local government, delivering efficiencies, improving outcomes, love those outcomes for
- 21:44Speaker 6: residents and communities, making best use of resources. All very
- 21:47Speaker 6: non specific, isn't it now? And for the future, importantly
- 21:51Speaker 6: enhancing local democracy, local identity, transparency, accessibility, local decision making
- 21:56Speaker 6: and accountability, which seems ludicrous given that you are trying
- 21:59Speaker 6: to reduce the number of councils. Right, it's going to
- 22:02Speaker 6: deliver the exact opposite of this, isn't it? What else?
- 22:06Speaker 6: Supporting and driving decision making and public service reform at
- 22:11Speaker 6: both Sussex and local level public service reform. I'll come
- 22:14Speaker 6: back to that in a minute, because I then that
- 22:16Speaker 6: gives us a clue as to where this is coming from.
- 22:18Speaker 6: And then finally providing a stronger and unified voice to
- 22:21Speaker 6: help attract investment and tackle priorities, which I think probably
- 22:25Speaker 6: gives the game away.
- 22:26Speaker 7: Right.
- 22:26Speaker 6: This is ultimately about money, So attracting inward investment, international
- 22:31Speaker 6: capital to buy land, buildings, whatever it might be, from
- 22:35Speaker 6: one authority that controls the whole of the county. It
- 22:38Speaker 6: makes it easier for that money to come in and
- 22:40Speaker 6: take the things they want to take, but then also
- 22:42Speaker 6: to tackle priorities, unspecified priorities. Essentially, this is the government
- 22:47Speaker 6: missions right. So it says though on the right hand
- 22:50Speaker 6: side it's not a done deal. There is a consultation running.
- 22:54Speaker 6: It's open to East Sussex residents until next Monday, June
- 22:59Speaker 6: twenty third, So if you're in Eastbourne under East Sussex Council,
- 23:03Speaker 6: Hastings lose rather or wild and District Council. Then you
- 23:08Speaker 6: are able to reply to this. The link is on screen,
- 23:12Speaker 6: it'll also be in the show notes. And it sounds
- 23:14Speaker 6: like that the precedent set in bullage could actually be
- 23:18Speaker 6: quite compelling. So I think that they need to be
- 23:20Speaker 6: told about that by as many people as possible, right,
- 23:23Speaker 6: and maybe we can have another victory on our hands here.
- 23:26Speaker 6: So back to public spending reform, also public service reform
- 23:32Speaker 6: and a little looking to where this is coming from
- 23:34Speaker 6: and ultimately it's coming from the center.
- 23:37Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 23:37Speaker 6: So if we go to look at the spending review
- 23:40Speaker 6: which was announced last week by Rachel Reeves in Parliament
- 23:44Speaker 6: on Wednesday, I think it was we'll go straight to
- 23:46Speaker 6: the section on Public service reform three point three.
- 23:50Speaker 7: Yeah.
- 23:50Speaker 6: The government's approach to public sector reform is guided by
- 23:53Speaker 6: three principles to integrate services so that they are organized
- 23:58Speaker 6: around people's lives. This is the state organizing itself around
- 24:02Speaker 6: your life. And don't think that that's being done in
- 24:05Speaker 6: a positive way. This is about micromanaging you ultimately, so
- 24:10Speaker 6: they want to improve long term outcomes and people through
- 24:12Speaker 6: a focus on prevention. So that means the state intervening
- 24:15Speaker 6: in your business in order to stop you doing things
- 24:18Speaker 6: it doesn't like you doing. And then apparently this is
- 24:21Speaker 6: about devolving power to local areas that understand the needs
- 24:24Speaker 6: of their communities best with services that are designed with
- 24:27Speaker 6: and four people. And I don't buy this for a second.
- 24:30Speaker 6: This is about power getting closer to people, not people
- 24:33Speaker 6: getting closer to power, as we spoke about last week.
- 24:36Speaker 6: But importantly, this is being done in partnership with civil
- 24:39Speaker 6: society and the impact economy. Right, So this is charitable foundations,
- 24:46Speaker 6: philanthropic wealth. Are rich people with an agenda trying to
- 24:50Speaker 6: re engineer the country in a way that meets their
- 24:54Speaker 6: ends ultimately, right, and this is embedded into government policy.
- 24:58Speaker 6: This is driving the spending review, right. They continue. I'd
- 25:03Speaker 6: highly recommend going to read this, particularly section three, because
- 25:06Speaker 6: all this is being done under the narrative of improving
- 25:10Speaker 6: the NHS. By the way, they've kind of tucked this
- 25:12Speaker 6: away in the bottom of the NHS section if you
- 25:14Speaker 6: go to the three point three to one, we can
- 25:17Speaker 6: also see that in reforming local government, the government will
- 25:21Speaker 6: take action to return local government to a sustainable financial position,
- 25:24Speaker 6: including by providing an additional three point four billion of
- 25:27Speaker 6: grant funding per year by twenty eight twenty nine. So
- 25:30Speaker 6: central government is propping up local government which is broke.
- 25:34Speaker 6: So the tax base has collapsed out in the regions.
- 25:38Speaker 6: So central government is going to pump three point four
- 25:40Speaker 6: billion pounds of money in to keep these structures propped up,
- 25:43Speaker 6: and obviously, as a consequence of that is going to
- 25:46Speaker 6: be exerting control over what happens in those localities. We
- 25:50Speaker 6: can also see that wider reforms unspecified will ensure funding
- 25:55Speaker 6: is effectively targeted based on an updated assessment of need,
- 25:58Speaker 6: and will consolidate funding to give local authorities greater flexibility
- 26:02Speaker 6: to innovate. That word is very important, to innovate, to
- 26:07Speaker 6: transform themselves, to move from one system to a new
- 26:12Speaker 6: system ultimately, and these consultations that are popping up all
- 26:18Speaker 6: around the country are about this. It's the transformation of
- 26:21Speaker 6: central government. Where else is it coming from? We talked
- 26:24Speaker 6: about Rachel Reeves and the spending review, Well, crucially it's
- 26:26Speaker 6: coming from Cabinet Office. Georgia Gould MP, Cabinet Office minister,
- 26:32Speaker 6: speaking to Demos earlier on this year saying, when the
- 26:34Speaker 6: rules at the center are blocking services, are you stopping
- 26:37Speaker 6: me from doing what I want to do? Georgia Gould
- 26:40Speaker 6: then we need to change those rules. They're completely re
- 26:44Speaker 6: engineering the state. She was in The Guardian also Georgia
- 26:48Speaker 6: Gould on Saturday talking about the fact that the civil
- 26:51Speaker 6: service is too remote for people's lives across the UK.
- 26:54Speaker 6: Apparently the civil Service needs to be in people's lives. Well,
- 26:58Speaker 6: she's saying Pew quotes from the article. She says that
- 27:02Speaker 6: her job was to help close the big gap between
- 27:04Speaker 6: those doing the frontline operational roles and those who are
- 27:06Speaker 6: making policies. Whitehall working would be turned inside out. It's
- 27:12Speaker 6: the term that she's used is. The Cabinet Office has
- 27:15Speaker 6: announced that Starmer's Health Mission is going to be based
- 27:18Speaker 6: in Leeds, so a lot of NHS people moving to Leeds,
- 27:21Speaker 6: It's Opportunity Mission moving to Sheffield, its Growth Mission to Darlington,
- 27:25Speaker 6: and civil servants are going to be working with local
- 27:28Speaker 6: government and frontline workers to pioneer new approaches. So again
- 27:33Speaker 6: this is the transformation of service delivery around the government's missions.
- 27:37Speaker 6: And the Cabinet Office has also announced it was back
- 27:40Speaker 6: in May that they're going to be shutting down Whitehall
- 27:43Speaker 6: buildings and moving civil servants, So about twelve thousand civil
- 27:50Speaker 6: servant roles are going to be moving out of Whitehall
- 27:53Speaker 6: into the regions, and they're actually trying to get to
- 27:57Speaker 6: a point where fifty percent of all senior civil servant
- 28:00Speaker 6: roles are going to be based outside of London in
- 28:02Speaker 6: the next five years. And apparently that's about policy being
- 28:06Speaker 6: made close to the communities that are affected. But actually
- 28:09Speaker 6: this isn't about the devolution of power. It's about turning
- 28:12Speaker 6: the whole country into Whitehall essentially, that's what I can
- 28:16Speaker 6: see happening here and putting Georgia Gould and the Cabinet
- 28:20Speaker 6: Office in the driving seat. So what's a little bit
- 28:25Speaker 6: more about her background. She's a fascinating and important character.
- 28:30Speaker 6: She learned her political trade certainly professionally as mayor of
- 28:36Speaker 6: Camden Council and the central London councils are a test
- 28:40Speaker 6: bed for a lot of the policies that are currently
- 28:42Speaker 6: being introduced. And importantly she's a Labor Party insider. She's
- 28:50Speaker 6: the daughter of Lord Gould, Bleir's favorite polster. Lord Gould
- 28:53Speaker 6: was then a partner at FLREUD Communications, who run communications
- 28:58Speaker 6: pr for the UN Sustainable Development Goal. So this links
- 29:01Speaker 6: directly back to the Brookings Institution that we were talking
- 29:03Speaker 6: about a few minutes ago. And importantly this popped up
- 29:08Speaker 6: which I think is quite interesting and telling about the
- 29:10Speaker 6: connections between Gould and the other component parts of the
- 29:14Speaker 6: labor establishment. So this is from two thousand and three
- 29:17Speaker 6: in the Camden New Journal. You can see George Gould
- 29:20Speaker 6: there in the background on the right hand side. She's
- 29:22Speaker 6: also interestingly there with a young woman called Alex Birtles,
- 29:28Speaker 6: who is the daughter of Patricia Hewitt, who was Health
- 29:31Speaker 6: Secretary under Blair from two thousand and five to two
- 29:33Speaker 6: thousand and seven and in the nineteen seventies, Hewitt with
- 29:36Speaker 6: General Secretary of the National Council for Civil Liberties when
- 29:39Speaker 6: it was affiliated with the Pedophile Information Exchange for eight
- 29:42Speaker 6: years from nineteen seventy five to nineteen eighty three. And
- 29:46Speaker 6: in the center there we can see that's Margaret Hodge,
- 29:50Speaker 6: who at the time this was taken was the Education
- 29:52Speaker 6: Minister under Tony Blair, a position that Hodge was supremely
- 29:57Speaker 6: well placed for, given that she arrived into offer with
- 30:00Speaker 6: a reputation for ignoring horrific cases of child abuse in
- 30:04Speaker 6: care homes that she was responsible for while she was
- 30:08Speaker 6: the leader of Islington Council. Who better to mentor a
- 30:13Speaker 6: new generation of labor politicians coming to office and who
- 30:16Speaker 6: better to oversee the transformation of local government And Sandy,
- 30:20Speaker 6: I think you've got something fumbling up about Islington Council
- 30:24Speaker 6: as well.
- 30:28Speaker 8: From Islington people that had bought their properties under the
- 30:32Speaker 8: Right to Buy scheme quite a while ago. And what's
- 30:36Speaker 8: happening now in Islington Council is that they are actively
- 30:40Speaker 8: repurchasing homes previously sold via the National Right to Buy
- 30:45Speaker 8: scheme and this includes around nine hundred and seven homes
- 30:49Speaker 8: by March twenty twenty six, with one hundred and ninety
- 30:52Speaker 8: three bought in the latest round using funds from the
- 30:56Speaker 8: Greater London Council and the Ministry of Housing Community which
- 31:00Speaker 8: is a local government which is the ms HCLG. Now
- 31:04Speaker 8: why are they doing it now? It's apparently they're facing
- 31:08Speaker 8: the highest ever numbers in temporary accommodation over oney seven
- 31:12Speaker 8: hundred homeless households are under pressure to house both local
- 31:17Speaker 8: families and refugee arrivals from Afghanistan and Ukraine. Why are
- 31:22Speaker 8: homeowners being asked to pay now? This is what's happening,
- 31:26Speaker 8: is that the homeowners are being levied massive bills up
- 31:31Speaker 8: to seventy pounds for repairs as part of this saleback process,
- 31:37Speaker 8: so it's almost a fato complete. These people that have
- 31:39Speaker 8: bought their homes and are now leaseholders private leaseholders are
- 31:43Speaker 8: now being given these huge bills, which is forcing them
- 31:47Speaker 8: into either bankruptcy or you know, if they can borrow
- 31:51Speaker 8: the money from the bank. If they can't, they are
- 31:53Speaker 8: being forced to sell up. So you know, if the
- 31:58Speaker 8: leaseholders must settle these service charges and any outstanding major
- 32:01Speaker 8: works before completion. And since the Council only buys back
- 32:06Speaker 8: the homes with vacant possession, developers often pass the repair
- 32:10Speaker 8: costs onto the homeowners via Section twenty notices, which is
- 32:14Speaker 8: really you know, you've got to bear the cost of this.
- 32:18Speaker 8: And for I think there's a slide there. I'm sorry,
- 32:21Speaker 8: I've lost the screen that shows me the slide, so
- 32:23Speaker 8: I'm sort of doing this a bit blind, but there
- 32:26Speaker 8: is a slide there that shows the cost of for instance,
- 32:31Speaker 8: so three to four bedroom flat is sixty eight seven
- 32:35Speaker 8: hundred and something, which is a massive amount for someone
- 32:39Speaker 8: to have to pay, and it's forcing them out basically. Now,
- 32:43Speaker 8: what's interesting is the announcement will make the Council's buybacks
- 32:46Speaker 8: program one of the largest in the country. All the
- 32:49Speaker 8: homes will be ex council homes in Islington that were
- 32:52Speaker 8: sold under this right to buy policy and will be
- 32:55Speaker 8: a mix of one, two, three and four bedroom properties
- 32:58Speaker 8: for individuals and families. Now what seems to be happening
- 33:04Speaker 8: is that the part it was it Islington Council have
- 33:08Speaker 8: employed a public private partnership really a management it's called
- 33:13Speaker 8: Partners Islington Private Finance Initiative Management and they've passed responsibil
- 33:19Speaker 8: ability onto this management company. And unfortunately the repurposed buyback
- 33:27Speaker 8: homes are being used for temporary accommodation. So this isn't
- 33:30Speaker 8: long term. This isn't long term council tenants like we
- 33:34Speaker 8: always used to have. These are for refugees and homeless
- 33:37Speaker 8: households from Afghanistan and Ukraine and other crises under the
- 33:40Speaker 8: UN and UK resettlement schemes. These homes support integration and
- 33:45Speaker 8: stability for people in vulnerable situations and part of the
- 33:48Speaker 8: borough's commitment as a borough of sanctuary. Well that's all
- 33:52Speaker 8: very good, but why are people being made homeless for this?
- 33:56Speaker 8: I don't, I don't, I don't really, Yeah, I find
- 34:00Speaker 8: this really astounding.
- 34:03Speaker 7: So the.
- 34:06Speaker 8: You know that you've got Counselor John Wolfe, who's the
- 34:09Speaker 8: Executive Member for Homes and Neighborhoods, and he says they're
- 34:12Speaker 8: His reason is there are currently oney seven hundred and
- 34:15Speaker 8: thirty seven or seven hundred and thirty seven homeless households
- 34:20Speaker 8: living in temporary accommodation in Islington, the highest figures its
- 34:23Speaker 8: records began. These homes will provide security for people experiencing
- 34:28Speaker 8: homelessness or for those who fled conflict, giving them the
- 34:32Speaker 8: stability they need to start rebuilding their lives locally, or
- 34:36Speaker 8: people will have access to good quality temporary accommodation in
- 34:39Speaker 8: Islington when they need it most. I'm proud that we
- 34:42Speaker 8: are leading the way with our buyback program and doing
- 34:45Speaker 8: everything we can to increase the number of council homes
- 34:47Speaker 8: in the borough. And then there's a quote from Abdul
- 34:50Speaker 8: Bassett Bahami Bahrami, who's a resident of an ex right
- 34:55Speaker 8: to buy property and he said moving to a council
- 34:57Speaker 8: buy back home changed my life to fleeing Afghanistan safely
- 35:02Speaker 8: and having a safe and secure place to live gave
- 35:05Speaker 8: me the stability I need to rebuild. I was able
- 35:08Speaker 8: to continue studying for my PhD, something I once thought
- 35:12Speaker 8: was impossible. Being close to my two brothers has made
- 35:15Speaker 8: a huge difference. It's meant our family could stay connected
- 35:18Speaker 8: and support each other. This home has also given me
- 35:21Speaker 8: the chance to raise my own family in a safe,
- 35:24Speaker 8: unwelcoming community. Well, I think that's great if we can
- 35:27Speaker 8: help people, But do we need to force people out
- 35:30Speaker 8: of their homes and bankrupt them to do so. I
- 35:32Speaker 8: don't think it's you know, this is just madness. And
- 35:35Speaker 8: then you've got other residents who actually did buy on
- 35:39Speaker 8: the right to buy scheme, or Gusti George Reggio, who
- 35:43Speaker 8: is retired. He's been living in his flat since nineteen
- 35:46Speaker 8: eighty one and received an estimated build between fifty seven
- 35:50Speaker 8: thousand and sixty one thousand, and he says, I would
- 35:54Speaker 8: expect a labor council to be more caring to the
- 35:56Speaker 8: needs of ordinary citizens. This will take up most of
- 35:59Speaker 8: my leaving me at the mercy of friends and family.
- 36:04Speaker 8: And then there's another man called Neil Hoskin who's a
- 36:07Speaker 8: resident also, and he said, I'm incredibly worried. I fear
- 36:10Speaker 8: it will sink me both financially and in terms of
- 36:14Speaker 8: my mental health. So this is a real problem. I mean,
- 36:18Speaker 8: I don't know what you think then, but it's astounding
- 36:21Speaker 8: and it's happening, you know, in Islington, and it will
- 36:23Speaker 8: be trial everywhere else as well.
- 36:25Speaker 3: I would imagine.
- 36:28Speaker 6: It's just theft, isn't it. Theft of private assets by
- 36:31Speaker 6: the state. And actually the fact that these were sold
- 36:34Speaker 6: by the councils in the eighties now obviously being brought
- 36:37Speaker 6: back significantly more, I would imagine than the value that
- 36:41Speaker 6: was got for them at the time. Is you know,
- 36:44Speaker 6: classic mismanagement and corruption by local councils. And who's running
- 36:49Speaker 6: the cabinet office at the moment, the former mayor of Camden.
- 36:52Speaker 6: So there you go.
- 36:53Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you very much, Ben and sand It really
- 36:56Speaker 1: joining the dots and I think it does bring to
- 36:58Speaker 1: bear the very significant subversion and manipulation of the system
- 37:02Speaker 1: that the local authorities should be running for benefit of
- 37:05Speaker 1: those who are paying for it. But obviously we see
- 37:07Speaker 1: that that's not happening. I think specifically with that getting
- 37:10Speaker 1: people to buy homes in a leasehold capacity and then
- 37:13Speaker 1: abusing the freehold system by which they control what's spent
- 37:18Speaker 1: on the building, leaving the leaseholder power. This is particularly
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- 39:36Speaker 1: the twentieth of July, there'll be a dissident meetup near Exeter.
- 39:39Speaker 1: Of course links to all this will be in the
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- 39:50Speaker 1: we will see you at that point. Now, as you'll
- 39:54Speaker 1: be aware, the of been many campaigns by the phantaceutical industry,
- 39:58Speaker 1: aided and a vetted by government and mediaizations to bash
- 40:01Speaker 1: us over the head with enormous amounts of propaganda, and
- 40:04Speaker 1: the latest of those, or at least the one that's
- 40:06Speaker 1: been concentrated on by Liz Evans, is the weight loss jabs. Now, Liz,
- 40:13Speaker 1: please give us the latest and set it within the
- 40:16Speaker 1: context that you've been reviewing.
- 40:20Speaker 7: Hi.
- 40:20Speaker 9: There, thanks very much, Charles. Yeah, I've done a deep
- 40:22Speaker 9: dive into the agenda behind weight loss jobs. They're being
- 40:25Speaker 9: hailed by the media and others as a panacea for
- 40:28Speaker 9: all societies ills and there are growing calls for these
- 40:31Speaker 9: products to be rolled out widely to the UK public. So,
- 40:35Speaker 9: just to give some background, you've probably heard of a
- 40:38Speaker 9: zen pic which is produced by Novo Nordis. This has
- 40:41Speaker 9: been around since twenty seventeen as a treatment for type
- 40:44Speaker 9: two diabetes, but it can only be used off label
- 40:48Speaker 9: for weight loss in the UK, so a higher dose
- 40:51Speaker 9: of the same drug semaglutide is called Regovi and this
- 40:55Speaker 9: was authorized in twenty twenty one for weight loss. Then
- 40:58Speaker 9: at the end of last year, Eli Lillies Monduro was
- 41:01Speaker 9: approved by NICE for a phased rollout on the NHS
- 41:06Speaker 9: to obeste people with a BMI of over thirty five
- 41:09Speaker 9: plus one related comobidity. So three point four million people
- 41:15Speaker 9: in England are eligible for the jabs and the NHS
- 41:18Speaker 9: is hoping to reach about three hundred thousand of them
- 41:21Speaker 9: in the first three years of the rollout. Both wigo
- 41:24Speaker 9: vi and Monduro are injected weekly, and Saxender is a
- 41:28Speaker 9: similar drug that requires daily injections. These drugs cost the
- 41:33Speaker 9: NHS about one hundred and fifty pounds a month per
- 41:37Speaker 9: eligible person, and it's estimated that another one and a
- 41:40Speaker 9: half million people are buying them privately from clinics, supermarkets
- 41:45Speaker 9: and online pharmacies and this is costing people two to
- 41:48Speaker 9: three hundred pounds a month. So this is big business.
- 41:53Speaker 9: So look at how they work. They're powerful drugs with
- 41:55Speaker 9: multiple modes of action. They promote rapid and often massic
- 42:00Speaker 9: weight loss of up to twenty percent of body weight.
- 42:04Speaker 9: They suppress appetite, They delayed stomach emptying so you feel
- 42:07Speaker 9: full for longer. They also act on the pancreas and
- 42:10Speaker 9: liver to stabilize blood sugar. But worryingly, the weight loss
- 42:14Speaker 9: is not just fat, it's also bone and healthy muscle mass,
- 42:19Speaker 9: which has serious long term implications for health and aging.
- 42:23Speaker 9: And as with all drugs, the jabs have side effects,
- 42:26Speaker 9: and some of these are very serious. Common side effects
- 42:31Speaker 9: are nausea, vomiting, bloating, constipation, and diarrhea, but more serious
- 42:36Speaker 9: side effects include gallbladder and kidney damage, and depression. Then
- 42:41Speaker 9: pancreatitis and gastroparesis can be life threatening, and studies are
- 42:46Speaker 9: now suggesting an increased risk of thyroid cancer. So the
- 42:51Speaker 9: last couple of decades we've seen an increased public acceptance
- 42:54Speaker 9: to take drugs like statins for Life as a health
- 42:58Speaker 9: prevention measure, created the climate for a lucrative market for
- 43:02Speaker 9: farmer to produce preventative drugs to be taken repeatedly by
- 43:07Speaker 9: healthy people, promising better life, longer life, better health claims
- 43:13Speaker 9: of reducing the risk of serious and common diseases that
- 43:16Speaker 9: people fear the most such as heart disease, cancer, and dementia.
- 43:21Speaker 9: And of course the biggest winners in this scenario are
- 43:24Speaker 9: the pharmaceutical companies who will have a high, guaranteed long
- 43:28Speaker 9: term income stream. So I wanted to talk about wild
- 43:32Speaker 9: claims for weight loss jobs, which began at the end
- 43:35Speaker 9: of last summer. In July twenty twenty four, there was
- 43:39Speaker 9: an observational study from Oxford University published in The Lancet
- 43:43Speaker 9: which was widely reported claiming that a zepit could cure
- 43:47Speaker 9: depression and cut the risk of dementia by half. Then
- 43:52Speaker 9: at the end of August twenty twenty four, there was
- 43:54Speaker 9: a rash of headlines across the mainstream media in perfect
- 43:58Speaker 9: harmony that a zempit could be a fountain of youth
- 44:03Speaker 9: by slowing down aging the elixir of life. Then in
- 44:08Speaker 9: January this year we saw more sensational headlines claims that
- 44:13Speaker 9: were GOVI a moonduro could reduce the risk of up
- 44:15Speaker 9: to forty two conditions. Then at the beginning of May
- 44:20Speaker 9: this year came an extraordinary week long push of farmer
- 44:24Speaker 9: propaganda for the jabs across the mainstream media, and so
- 44:27Speaker 9: I put together some slides I think you can see
- 44:29Speaker 9: the first one there showing some of the telegraph headlines
- 44:32Speaker 9: that week, so we could just go back to the ninth.
- 44:36Speaker 9: These headlines were mirrored most days in The Guardian and
- 44:39Speaker 9: other newspapers. So on the ninth of May there were
- 44:43Speaker 9: claims that the jabs would be a game changer for
- 44:46Speaker 9: the economy, saving five billion a year by boosting productivity.
- 44:52Speaker 9: But this study was based on government modeling, so say
- 44:55Speaker 9: no more.
- 44:57Speaker 7: Then.
- 44:57Speaker 9: May the tenth brought reports that the jab abs could
- 45:00Speaker 9: effortlessly reduce alcohol cravings. May the eleventh we were treated
- 45:06Speaker 9: to the exciting news that these miracles of science could
- 45:09Speaker 9: also treat anxiety and oppression, apparently disproving earlier concerns that
- 45:15Speaker 9: the jobs actually increase the risk of suicidal behavior and
- 45:19Speaker 9: psychiatric hospital admissions. In case you weren't persuaded by now
- 45:24Speaker 9: that you should start these miracle jobs immediately. On May
- 45:27Speaker 9: the twelfth we read that weight loss jabs may halve
- 45:31Speaker 9: the risk of cancer, but they had saved the best
- 45:36Speaker 9: till last. The telegraph headline on May the thirteenth hailed
- 45:39Speaker 9: the fact that everyone, whether abese or not, could live
- 45:43Speaker 9: longer on these jobs, leading to a golden age of
- 45:47Speaker 9: medicine halving deaths from multiple diseases by preventing heart disease, cancer,
- 45:52Speaker 9: liver and kidney disorders, and even dementia. This incredible news
- 45:57Speaker 9: was accompanied with inevitable calls for the NHS to roll
- 46:01Speaker 9: out the jobs at scale, although a telling quote came
- 46:04Speaker 9: from Catherine Jenna from the Obesity Health Alliance who admitted
- 46:08Speaker 9: that Farmer is investing heavily in obesity because they quotes
- 46:12Speaker 9: recognized the scale of the opportunity. We were reassured that
- 46:17Speaker 9: there are one hundred and fifteen new injections and pills
- 46:20Speaker 9: in the pipeline to help people who are neither overweight
- 46:25Speaker 9: nor obese. So up to this point there was almost
- 46:29Speaker 9: no mention of side effects or any issues with these
- 46:32Speaker 9: new drugs. Then, on May the fourteenth came the admission
- 46:36Speaker 9: that when patients stop weight loss drugs, they rapidly regained
- 46:39Speaker 9: the weight within months. But this was spun as a
- 46:43Speaker 9: demand for the NHS to drop its two year limit
- 46:46Speaker 9: prescribing policy and instead prescribe the jobs for life to
- 46:51Speaker 9: reap the benefits.
- 46:54Speaker 3: If this is.
- 46:55Speaker 9: Sounding too good to be true, you are correct. Every
- 46:58Speaker 9: single media report feil to mention the ongoing class action
- 47:03Speaker 9: a zenpic lawsuit in the US which is currently at
- 47:07Speaker 9: over eighteen hundred claimants and includes Monduro Wigovi, and Saxender.
- 47:14Speaker 9: Legal cases are being brought against Novoonordice and Eli Lilly
- 47:18Speaker 9: for failure to warn patients of the risk of gastroparesis
- 47:22Speaker 9: an ilias or about a potential link with blood clots
- 47:26Speaker 9: and a condition that causes blindness. Gastroparesis, or paralysis of
- 47:32Speaker 9: the stomach, is very serious. It may be irreversible even
- 47:36Speaker 9: after stopping the jabs. Victims are left with constant nausea, vomiting,
- 47:41Speaker 9: abdominal pain, reflux, bloating, severe dehydration, Their food doesn't digest.
- 47:47Speaker 9: They have nutritional deficiencies, blood sugar instability, severe weight loss,
- 47:52Speaker 9: and a very poor quality of life. It is a
- 47:55Speaker 9: psychologically devastating condition. Every meal is a battleground, with the
- 48:01Speaker 9: loss of the pleasure of eating and the stress of
- 48:04Speaker 9: trying to maintain adequate nourishment. And there is no known cure. Now,
- 48:10Speaker 9: if that wasn't bad enough, ozeenpic face is another well
- 48:14Speaker 9: known side effect, an aged haggard appearance, now being treated
- 48:19Speaker 9: by cosmetic clinics with fillers. You couldn't write it so
- 48:25Speaker 9: where was all this farmer marketing propaganda in the media
- 48:28Speaker 9: reports coming from every article cited the European Congress on
- 48:33Speaker 9: Obesity which was held in Malaga from the eleventh to
- 48:37Speaker 9: the fourteenth of May this year. The Telegraph and Guardian
- 48:40Speaker 9: had sent their health correspondence to Malaga to cover the conference.
- 48:45Speaker 9: So I decided to do some digging into who runs
- 48:47Speaker 9: and funds this conference, which was the thirty second Congress
- 48:51Speaker 9: on Obesity held by the European Association for the Study
- 48:55Speaker 9: of Obeste, who are known as ESO. So the screenshot
- 49:00Speaker 9: that's on your screen from the congress website shows that
- 49:03Speaker 9: Novo Nordisk and Eli Lilly are two of the major
- 49:06Speaker 9: sponsors of this conference, confirming my suspicions that this was
- 49:11Speaker 9: a farmer marketing event, a glossy shop window and vehicle
- 49:15Speaker 9: for their scientific papers to be released to the media
- 49:18Speaker 9: with maximum coverage and minimum scrutiny. And who are ESO
- 49:23Speaker 9: the Europeans Association for the Study of Obesity who run
- 49:27Speaker 9: these annual conferences. While from their website, I learned that
- 49:32Speaker 9: they are a charity established in nineteen eighty six as
- 49:35Speaker 9: a federation of professional membership associations from thirty eight countries.
- 49:41Speaker 9: They claim to be Europe's leading voice of obesity science,
- 49:44Speaker 9: medicine and community. They are informal relations with the WHO
- 49:49Speaker 9: and are actively involved in EU Commission initiatives, including scientific
- 49:54Speaker 9: consultations and obesity education across Europe, a powerful influence on
- 50:00Speaker 9: national policies and who funds ESO You've guessed it. The
- 50:06Speaker 9: top corporate members on their website are Lilly and Novo Nordis,
- 50:11Speaker 9: and they also say that ESO is currently engaged in
- 50:14Speaker 9: project partnerships with Novo Nordice, Eli, Lilly and Pfizer and
- 50:19Speaker 9: receives support from the Novo Nordisk Foundation to award five
- 50:23Speaker 9: research grants. I then discovered that the UK government had
- 50:28Speaker 9: announced a partnership with Eli Lilly at the end of
- 50:31Speaker 9: last year, stating that this public private collaboration aims to
- 50:36Speaker 9: set the stage for government to work with industry to
- 50:39Speaker 9: trial innovative approaches to treating obesity and includes a five
- 50:44Speaker 9: year trial called sirmount Real UK to evaluate the long
- 50:48Speaker 9: term safety and efficacy of mondurou. So, with all this
- 50:53Speaker 9: industry and media lobbying to roll out weight loss jabs
- 50:57Speaker 9: to millions, what's next? My last few slides show a
- 51:01Speaker 9: relentless push from all sides to get more and more
- 51:04Speaker 9: of the population taking weight loss medications. Big Farmer has
- 51:08Speaker 9: its sights on exploiting this untapped and highly lucrative market.
- 51:14Speaker 9: The WHO recently indicated that they may endorse the use
- 51:18Speaker 9: of weight loss jabs to treat obesity in adults. Their
- 51:21Speaker 9: new guidelines on treating obesity are due in August and
- 51:25Speaker 9: are expected to include calls to increase access to the
- 51:28Speaker 9: jabs in low and middle income countries, and another WHO
- 51:34Speaker 9: team is even looking adding these jabs to their essential
- 51:37Speaker 9: medications list. Then, organizations such as the Blair Institute adjoining
- 51:44Speaker 9: the KAMMA with a call this month for the NHS
- 51:47Speaker 9: to speed up the roll out of fat jabs by
- 51:49Speaker 9: sending them in the post to half the adult population
- 51:54Speaker 9: by using digital first methods, which is their word for
- 51:57Speaker 9: online health screening. Only three days ago, NHS Medical Director
- 52:03Speaker 9: Professor Sir Stephen Powis called for a mass rate rollout
- 52:07Speaker 9: of weight loss jabs like statins, and alongside the rollout
- 52:12Speaker 9: of the fat jabs, new weight loss pills are being developed,
- 52:16Speaker 9: presumably to reach those who find the idea of injections unpalatable. Disturbingly,
- 52:23Speaker 9: but predictably, Big Farmer has a beast children in their
- 52:26Speaker 9: sites as a cash cow. The use of weight loss
- 52:30Speaker 9: jabs in children was presented in Malaga as a neat
- 52:33Speaker 9: solution to meal time rows with families, and in true
- 52:38Speaker 9: big brother style, the NHS has just announced a sinister
- 52:42Speaker 9: plan to give out bathroom skills to families with overweight children,
- 52:47Speaker 9: enabling the state to monitor children's weight remotely. Initially sold
- 52:52Speaker 9: as a nudge for healthy habits, it is not hard
- 52:54Speaker 9: to imagine weight loss jobs for children being rolled out
- 52:57Speaker 9: in the not too distant future. So to conclude, are
- 53:02Speaker 9: we sleep walking into another public health disaster? Rolling out
- 53:06Speaker 9: novel drugs with no long term safety data to millions
- 53:10Speaker 9: of people without proper informed consent, overplaying benefits, underplaying risks,
- 53:17Speaker 9: and failing to address more natural solutions for obesity such
- 53:21Speaker 9: as dietary and lifestyle modifications sold as a quick fix
- 53:25Speaker 9: for a complex problem, and creating a generation of people
- 53:29Speaker 9: who will need regular injections for life just to maintain
- 53:33Speaker 9: a normal weight, and all boosting the coffers of Big
- 53:37Speaker 9: Farmer with a steady stream of taxpayers money by doing
- 53:40Speaker 9: while doing nothing to improve public health? Does this sound familiar.
- 53:48Speaker 1: Liz, Unfortunately, it sounds very familiar, and thank you very
- 53:51Speaker 1: much to do it for very very thorough and rather harrowing
- 53:55Speaker 1: report apporting to think that people should be put in
- 53:57Speaker 1: that position, or at least find themselves in such a
- 53:59Speaker 1: position to be looking for that as the alternative. And
- 54:02Speaker 1: just to round off, I found that the Brookings Institute,
- 54:06Speaker 1: with whom we have been or rather at whom we've
- 54:08Speaker 1: been looking today, have of course engaged with this topic,
- 54:13Speaker 1: writing a paper on it just back in April, of
- 54:16Speaker 1: course in effect promoting exactly what it is you've just
- 54:19Speaker 1: been talking about. So we'll go on and discuss that
- 54:21Speaker 1: in extra But Liz, thank you very much. Indeed, now
- 54:24Speaker 1: next up, and you might be wondering how it's related
- 54:26Speaker 1: to what Liz has just been talking about, but I
- 54:28Speaker 1: would put it that it is in that we are
- 54:30Speaker 1: considering a society that has fallen from good health, and
- 54:34Speaker 1: therefore the issue of recruitment and retention into the armed
- 54:38Speaker 1: forces is going to be an increasingly difficult situation to resolve.
- 54:44Speaker 1: And despite this, of course, the Armed Force is putting
- 54:47Speaker 1: out much propaganda about all the things that are on offer.
- 54:50Speaker 1: But with the specter of the escalating violence in the
- 54:54Speaker 1: Middle East at the moment, and the Prime Minister indeed
- 54:57Speaker 1: talking about de escalation at the same time as or
- 55:00Speaker 1: at least committing resources to the very escalation of the
- 55:04Speaker 1: conflict that he's talking about de escalating. I think we
- 55:06Speaker 1: need to be very much mindful of the agenda at
- 55:10Speaker 1: play now the Brookings Institution, here we are again how
- 55:15Speaker 1: must Europe reorganize its conventional defense? And this is absolutely
- 55:19Speaker 1: another propaganda exercise in which they write just yesterday. In fact,
- 55:24Speaker 1: most Western European armed forces face growing personnel shortfalls and
- 55:28Speaker 1: are now exploring various conscription models, and of course they
- 55:33Speaker 1: go on site the Nordic countries as an example. They
- 55:36Speaker 1: talk about military preparedness and how this requires a proactive
- 55:41Speaker 1: political messaging. Well on that front, back in March of
- 55:44Speaker 1: this year, the House Commons Library put out a conscription
- 55:47Speaker 1: and National service paper. Do note that the photograph there
- 55:51Speaker 1: shows women, so the messaging is very clear there. And
- 55:55Speaker 1: of course they're hanging this on what they describe as
- 55:57Speaker 1: being the COVID nineteen pandemic and security situation in Europe,
- 56:02Speaker 1: prompting discussions about the need to improve civilian resilience in
- 56:05Speaker 1: the face of emergencies up to and including a state
- 56:10Speaker 1: of war. And they go on to say that many
- 56:12Speaker 1: countries have long had some form of compulsory national service,
- 56:16Speaker 1: that several have begun reintroducing mandatory military service. Now, this
- 56:21Speaker 1: of course is absolutely attempting to normalize and legitimize the
- 56:26Speaker 1: idea that conscription will be a thing. And of course
- 56:29Speaker 1: this should be considered alongside the Land Warfare conference at
- 56:31Speaker 1: which John Healy and Rody Walker, the Head of the Army,
- 56:34Speaker 1: have been speaking. Walker in fact said that fighting with
- 56:37Speaker 1: the British Army would be such an unfair proposition that
- 56:41Speaker 1: no one in their right mind would do so. Now
- 56:44Speaker 1: I think I know what he means by that, but
- 56:46Speaker 1: I would question whether a potential adversary might actually be
- 56:49Speaker 1: considering it the other way about in terms of that
- 56:52Speaker 1: very unfairness. And we go on on the propaganda side
- 56:55Speaker 1: of it, with the Telegraph putting out an article very
- 56:58Speaker 1: much about conscription the a tiny Swedish island regiment task
- 57:02Speaker 1: with protecting Europe from Russia. Of course this is a
- 57:04Speaker 1: regiment of conscripts, and we are shown a chat from
- 57:08Speaker 1: two Power there with this regiment, and conscription is mentioned
- 57:12Speaker 1: over and over again throughout this article, the Daily Mail
- 57:15Speaker 1: joining in, of course, presenting graphics like this which very
- 57:17Speaker 1: much suggests that we are absolutely at war. And briefly
- 57:22Speaker 1: I will just round off with one of the latest
- 57:24Speaker 1: messages from Donald Trump saying that we now have complete
- 57:27Speaker 1: and total control of the skies over Iran, and he
- 57:30Speaker 1: goes on to make comments about that. But the what
- 57:33Speaker 1: I want to focus on is the use of the
- 57:36Speaker 1: word we. Who does he mean by we? And how
- 57:39Speaker 1: long is it before we start hearing language concerning Israel
- 57:42Speaker 1: and Iran. If you're not with us, then you are
- 57:46Speaker 1: against us. And there is very very little doubt this
- 57:49Speaker 1: is a push towards a conscription narrative here in the
- 57:53Speaker 1: UK and we will absolutely follow this. Now that takes
- 57:57Speaker 1: us into a final report from Sandy. We've been looking
- 58:00Speaker 1: at AI and the way in which government is pushing
- 58:04Speaker 1: it as though it must be the defining feature of
- 58:07Speaker 1: all communications between people and indeed with government. But we've
- 58:11Speaker 1: also looked at the environmental concerns about it, and Sandy
- 58:14Speaker 1: you've got more on that and particularly Elon Musk's role
- 58:17Speaker 1: within this.
- 58:19Speaker 8: Yes, thanks thanks very much, Charles. I mean you, Charles
- 58:23Speaker 8: have done some great work on data centers in the UK,
- 58:25Speaker 8: highlighting the hypocrisy of sustainability in both water and energy.
- 58:31Speaker 8: And Elon Musk seems to have really upset people in
- 58:34Speaker 8: Memphis with air pollution. So Elon Musk's massive XAI data
- 58:41Speaker 8: center is poisoning Memphis. It's burning enough gas to power
- 58:44Speaker 8: a small city with no permits and no pollution controls,
- 58:47Speaker 8: and residents tell us they can't breathe and they're getting sicker.
- 58:52Speaker 8: So if we could have that video clip please, thanks, Kenny.
- 59:00Speaker 5: Sometimes the most shocking corporate misconduct is hidden in plain sight,
- 59:05Speaker 5: invisible to the naked eye. What is happening here?
- 59:08Speaker 6: And we'll swallow our world if we don't stop it
- 59:10Speaker 6: right here, right now.
- 59:12Speaker 5: Looking back, there was an early clue that the world's
- 59:15Speaker 5: richest man was up to something here. It's just like,
- 59:18Speaker 5: why is Elon was coming to Memphis? The people of
- 59:21Speaker 5: Memphis soon found.
- 59:22Speaker 3: Out, Now Elon Musk is coming to Memphis to build
- 59:26Speaker 3: the world's largest supercomputer.
- 59:28Speaker 7: A year later, people here want answers.
- 59:43Speaker 5: We went to Memphis and found an environmental crime scene.
- 59:47Speaker 5: Musk's data center burning enough methane to power a small
- 59:50Speaker 5: city with no permits and no pollution controls.
- 59:53Speaker 4: I have not seen anything like this.
- 59:55Speaker 3: We believe they've already violated the Cleaner.
- 59:57Speaker 5: Act as Musk helps dismantle the very federal age see
- 1:00:00Speaker 5: that's supposed to protect us against pollution like this.
- 1:00:02Speaker 9: There is no way to miss how this is a
- 1:00:05Speaker 9: coordinated strategy.
- 1:00:10Speaker 8: Yes, that's quite quite worrying. Really Apparently. Eleven months ago,
- 1:00:15Speaker 8: Elon Musk's XAI opened a large aident center nicknamed Colossus,
- 1:00:22Speaker 8: and he named it after nineteen seventies film about a
- 1:00:24Speaker 8: supercomputer that becomes sentient and takes over the world, which
- 1:00:28Speaker 8: is quite interesting. It was housed in a former Electroluxe
- 1:00:31Speaker 8: factory in South Memphis to power his chatbox Groc. Now,
- 1:00:37Speaker 8: Musk was late to the AI party with all of
- 1:00:40Speaker 8: this because Open Ai and other chatbox platforms were operating already,
- 1:00:44Speaker 8: and he was in a big hurry to get Groc
- 1:00:46Speaker 8: up and running and to meet massive energy demands. The
- 1:00:49Speaker 8: company brought in thirty five portable methane gas turbines, operating
- 1:00:54Speaker 8: them with proper without proper Air Quality or Clean Air
- 1:00:58Speaker 8: Act permits. XII claimed three hundred and sixty four day
- 1:01:03Speaker 8: exemption for temporary generators, but this loophole doesn't apply to
- 1:01:07Speaker 8: these industrial scale turbines. AIX has become one of Shelby
- 1:01:11Speaker 8: County's largest emitters of small producing nitrogen oxides. According to
- 1:01:16Speaker 8: calculations by environmental groups and aerial images confirmed, thirty three
- 1:01:21Speaker 8: turbines were active despite permits being filed only for fifteen
- 1:01:26Speaker 8: The facilities emissions are estimated at up to two thousand
- 1:01:30Speaker 8: tons of nitrogen oxides and nox's annually, far exceeding nearby
- 1:01:37Speaker 8: anything nearby that's regulated. The surrounding community, including historically black
- 1:01:43Speaker 8: neighborhoods like Boxtown, are already burdened with health problems. Residents
- 1:01:47Speaker 8: report worsened health systems and symptoms, sorry and invisible pollution
- 1:01:52Speaker 8: from the site. Environmental and civil rights groups, including the
- 1:01:58Speaker 8: NAAPC or C and the Southern Environmental Law Center have
- 1:02:03Speaker 8: launched legal action, calling the project a clear case of
- 1:02:06Speaker 8: environmental racism and demanding accountability from both AXI and local authorities.
- 1:02:12Speaker 8: The conflict now puts a spotlight and whether technological logical
- 1:02:17Speaker 8: advancement can coexist with community well being, or whether powerful
- 1:02:21Speaker 8: corporations can be held responsible when they sidestep environmental safety gods.
- 1:02:27Speaker 8: One of the residents of Boxtown said he may be
- 1:02:32Speaker 8: a millionaire or a billionaire, but what we need is
- 1:02:35Speaker 8: clean air. And they've had many meetings about this and
- 1:02:40Speaker 8: they are actually challenging it legally and pleased they are.
- 1:02:45Speaker 8: Now what we have to realize is in the UK,
- 1:02:47Speaker 8: every major data center uses diesel generators for backup in
- 1:02:52Speaker 8: case of grid failure. And these generators, admit, you know,
- 1:02:55Speaker 8: they emit nitrogen oxides and contribute to smog and recpiptory issue.
- 1:03:01Speaker 8: They have particulate matter harmful to lungs and cardiovascular health,
- 1:03:06Speaker 8: and carbon monoxide which is toxic at high concentrations. In
- 1:03:11Speaker 8: areas with many cluster centers like Slough or parts of London,
- 1:03:14Speaker 8: this back off infrastructure can create local air quality risks,
- 1:03:18Speaker 8: especially during blackouts and testing cycles. Now, every open AI
- 1:03:24Speaker 8: chatbox question you ask believe it or not, uses fifty
- 1:03:28Speaker 8: mili liters of water. Now you imagine the amount of
- 1:03:31Speaker 8: questions that are asked worldwide in a day, and daily
- 1:03:36Speaker 8: uses are enough to enough energy to power three hundred
- 1:03:40Speaker 8: thousand homes. So is our energy and our health being
- 1:03:43Speaker 8: sacrificed to these centers? And I think they without doubt
- 1:03:48Speaker 8: they are. I don't know what you guys think about that,
- 1:03:51Speaker 8: But yeah, we are sacrificing our health and our use a.
- 1:03:57Speaker 8: You know, we will be rationed because these energy centers
- 1:04:00Speaker 8: are taking all the water and energy. Sorry, these data
- 1:04:04Speaker 8: centers are taking all the energy and water.
- 1:04:07Speaker 1: Absolutely does appear to be the case, Sandy, and exactly
- 1:04:10Speaker 1: how the priorities will fall is something that we must
- 1:04:12Speaker 1: continue to scrutinize. I thank you very much indeed for that.
- 1:04:15Speaker 1: Apologies if that appeared rather glitchy with the technical difficulties
- 1:04:20Speaker 1: have persisted, and Sandy, I'm afraid was made to look
- 1:04:23Speaker 1: somewhat like an AI rendition for that report, So apologies
- 1:04:26Speaker 1: for that. But that brings us to the end of
- 1:04:28Speaker 1: the program. So thank you very much to Ben for
- 1:04:29Speaker 1: joining me. Also Vanessa and Liz and Sandy I remote link.
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- 1:04:43Speaker 1: the Germ Warfare podcast will be an interview with Stu Peters,
- 1:04:47Speaker 1: and then we've got Phil Turney going out tomorrow at
- 1:04:50Speaker 1: one pm, and otherwise we will see you for the
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