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- 0:16Speaker 1: M.
- 0:38Speaker 2: Francis Leader, thank you for joining me in the trenches.
- 0:42Speaker 1: Thank you so much for inviting me again. It's wonderful.
- 0:47Speaker 2: Yes, Francis, I was just telling you a moment ago.
- 0:51Speaker 2: I stumbled across your your research into the black nobility.
- 0:56Speaker 2: Why do you find the black nobility so interesting? What
- 0:59Speaker 2: got you into that topic?
- 1:04Speaker 1: In the late nineteen eighties, I was working as a
- 1:10Speaker 1: PA at board level of a very important insurance organization
- 1:20Speaker 1: in the city of London. And because I was working
- 1:26Speaker 1: at that level, I spent a lot of time with
- 1:31Speaker 1: people who were at the top of industry in the
- 1:37Speaker 1: city of London. And I'll have to be honest with you,
- 1:41Speaker 1: I didn't like them at all. These people were horrible
- 1:47Speaker 1: and it was very difficult to work for them and
- 1:51Speaker 1: maintain the facade of being entertained and amused by them
- 1:59Speaker 1: and their jokes. But you know the sort of thing
- 2:02Speaker 1: that you hear about eton boys burning fifty pound notes
- 2:08Speaker 1: in front of homeless These are those kind of people,
- 2:14Speaker 1: and they do have the most appalling self esteem and
- 2:20Speaker 1: they are it's not critical of the rest of the planet,
- 2:29Speaker 1: it's they are snobbish, beyond snobbery. It's horrific and they're
- 2:40Speaker 1: sadistic as well in their humor. And when you spend
- 2:44Speaker 1: it that much time, you know, a whole working day,
- 2:47Speaker 1: every day for months and months with people like that,
- 2:52Speaker 1: you want to know just how powerful these people are.
- 2:57Speaker 1: And by keeping quiet and taking notes, because I do
- 3:01Speaker 1: shorthand and typing, obviously I was at that level of
- 3:07Speaker 1: I would write everything down, even when they were talking,
- 3:12Speaker 1: and they weren't in a meeting, this was just ordinary conversation.
- 3:15Speaker 1: I would write everything down, and then when I had
- 3:19Speaker 1: any spare time, I would research in the archives of
- 3:24Speaker 1: the business that I was working in. And I got
- 3:28Speaker 1: to because I had so much spare time. That's that
- 3:32Speaker 1: level of work is not particularly demanding. You've just got
- 3:36Speaker 1: to look pretty, answer the phone, do a bit of typing,
- 3:41Speaker 1: and honestly, you could get it all done.
- 3:42Speaker 3: In a couple of hours.
- 3:44Speaker 1: There's nothing to do, really, So I used to spend
- 3:47Speaker 1: the rest of my day researching in the archives, finding
- 3:52Speaker 1: out who was who, what they did, what their investments
- 3:55Speaker 1: were elsewhere. As I moved on from that, when I
- 4:03Speaker 1: was fortunate enough to get a different job somewhere that
- 4:08Speaker 1: was a little bit more interesting and a little bit
- 4:10Speaker 1: less taxing on my brain, because that was very difficult
- 4:14Speaker 1: to deal with people like that without snapping at them
- 4:20Speaker 1: for their behavior and the way that they talked about
- 4:23Speaker 1: ordinary people. It was offensive. So I was glad to
- 4:27Speaker 1: get out of there, and as soon as I did,
- 4:30Speaker 1: I started I continued my research. It wasn't exactly difficult.
- 4:36Speaker 1: I was able to find books and information written but
- 4:41Speaker 1: you know, obviously written years ago, and discovered that they
- 4:49Speaker 1: liked to call themselves, well, the majority of them liked
- 4:52Speaker 1: to call themselves the black nobility, or just the nobility.
- 4:58Speaker 1: In the case of our royal family, it's the firm.
- 5:03Speaker 1: They don't they don't even bother with them. Yeah, so
- 5:10Speaker 1: they this this sense of superiority that they had was
- 5:17Speaker 1: was so offensive to me that that's what kept my
- 5:22Speaker 1: nose to the grindstones learning more and more about them,
- 5:26Speaker 1: because the thing that partled me the most was where
- 5:29Speaker 1: is this income coming from? They've got billions, not you know,
- 5:36Speaker 1: will it goes into trillions in some cases, and where
- 5:40Speaker 1: is this income coming from? And after many years of
- 5:46Speaker 1: of hunting, I was able to figure out that it
- 5:48Speaker 1: was mainly sex, drugs, and slavery that was the root
- 5:58Speaker 1: source of their of their vast fortunes. So nothing that
- 6:04Speaker 1: they ever did was of any benefit to anybody except themselves.
- 6:12Speaker 1: And I thought this needs exposing, and that's where we're
- 6:17Speaker 1: at now, exposing it.
- 6:20Speaker 2: Okay, but I mean, in all honesty, when we talk
- 6:23Speaker 2: about the Black nobility, beyond just talking about wealthy people,
- 6:26Speaker 2: we're talking about a level that's beyond that.
- 6:29Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been going for thousands of years. It's not
- 6:36Speaker 1: a recent thing. And they call them the fondaie, these
- 6:42Speaker 1: foundation stones of wealth. They're called the fondae, and each
- 6:49Speaker 1: family has a fon dye of wealth that each generation
- 6:55Speaker 1: is supposed to increase. And I've traced back to the
- 7:05Speaker 1: Roman Empire, but I dare say it goes back way
- 7:08Speaker 1: before that too. But from the Roman Empire on was
- 7:12Speaker 1: I was able to identify individual families that escaped when
- 7:20Speaker 1: the Visigoths destroyed Rome and went to the swamps in
- 7:30Speaker 1: the north of Italy, eventually teaming up with the descendants
- 7:37Speaker 1: of the Phoenicians, who were like pirates in all of
- 7:41Speaker 1: the Mediterranean, and with them were able to create a
- 7:49Speaker 1: very small empire in the Mediterranean where they were running
- 7:55Speaker 1: slaves in one direction and drugs in another direction. And
- 8:00Speaker 1: so it was all maritime. The whole thing was maritime trading.
- 8:05Speaker 1: They were taking slaves out of Europe into the Middle
- 8:10Speaker 1: East and selling them at a good price, and they
- 8:14Speaker 1: were taking drugs from the Far East and bringing them
- 8:19Speaker 1: back into Europe. There was a lot of trading in
- 8:26Speaker 1: beautiful fabrics from China and India, but basically any commodity
- 8:35Speaker 1: that was traded on the Mediterranean was under their control.
- 8:41Speaker 2: When we talk about the Black Nobility, we're talking about
- 8:45Speaker 2: a small selection of families that have bloodlines that go
- 8:51Speaker 2: back thousands of years to the Roman Empire and possibly earlier,
- 8:55Speaker 2: and they have been immensely wealthy and also how powerful
- 9:00Speaker 2: is that correct?
- 9:02Speaker 1: Well, yeah, they made sure of that. And the way
- 9:06Speaker 1: that they operated was always to infiltrate and befriend any
- 9:13Speaker 1: small principalities around them. So they always came across as
- 9:19Speaker 1: if they were your friend, but they were also befriending
- 9:23Speaker 1: your enemies, and then they would set people off against
- 9:26Speaker 1: one another, and in that way they were always able
- 9:32Speaker 1: to make money because they were providing both sides with mercenaries,
- 9:41Speaker 1: and any looting that was done of any cities went
- 9:47Speaker 1: into their coffers. So they were constantly and literally swooping
- 9:55Speaker 1: on everything that was valuable was going to wind up
- 9:59Speaker 1: in in their pocket.
- 10:02Speaker 2: The families that exist today can trace their roots back
- 10:05Speaker 2: to perhaps some Roman emperors, consuls, senators, and basically high
- 10:13Speaker 2: society in the Roman Empire. And they and they amassed
- 10:18Speaker 2: wealth and power through conquest and slavery and all sorts
- 10:21Speaker 2: of other exploitation. Is that is that correct?
- 10:24Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly it. And they also controlled religion. They
- 10:32Speaker 1: encourage the populations of their of their colonies to have
- 10:41Speaker 1: religions which which caused the people to be terrorized, like,
- 10:49Speaker 1: for example, Christianity. They loved Christianity and they were quite
- 10:53Speaker 1: happy to have that spread throughout the Roman Empire because
- 10:57Speaker 1: it was better than an army. It was teaching people
- 11:02Speaker 1: to fear God and reprisal after death. So that was
- 11:07Speaker 1: a brilliant system to control the behavior of the people.
- 11:13Speaker 2: Sorry, if I jump in from time to time, I
- 11:15Speaker 2: don't mean to break your train of thought, but I
- 11:18Speaker 2: just want to make sure that I am following you
- 11:20Speaker 2: because it's quite a complicated topic. When all about Christianity
- 11:23Speaker 2: you are offering to initially the Catholic Church and then
- 11:26Speaker 2: later the Church of England. Is that right?
- 11:29Speaker 1: Both yeah, all forms of Christianity have come from the
- 11:35Speaker 1: original Roman form that started in about the third or
- 11:42Speaker 1: fourth century, and nobody could read or write, so what
- 11:47Speaker 1: they were being taught was what suited the Romans. And then,
- 11:54Speaker 1: of course when the Bible was translated into English, that
- 11:58Speaker 1: caused a lot of a lot of worries for them
- 12:02Speaker 1: because it became obvious that the Bible didn't exactly say
- 12:06Speaker 1: what they had previously said it said, and also is
- 12:11Speaker 1: to be born in mind that they had, for example,
- 12:17Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments, and everybody who was a Christian and
- 12:22Speaker 1: you had to be a Christian in the Roman Empire
- 12:25Speaker 1: by then, everyone that was a Christian had to obey
- 12:29Speaker 1: these ten commandments, but they didn't. The people that were ruling,
- 12:36Speaker 1: they didn't obey those rules because they don't believe in God.
- 12:41Speaker 1: They're atheists and nihilists, and they laugh at us for
- 12:45Speaker 1: believing anything like that at all.
- 12:48Speaker 2: This is all very interesting history. But why does it matter?
- 12:53Speaker 1: Oh? Well, it matters because as long as people remain
- 12:57Speaker 1: ignorant of it, they won't understand the mechanism that is
- 13:02Speaker 1: holding them down as a slave, that is keeping them poor,
- 13:07Speaker 1: that is denying them access to every new development that ever,
- 13:13Speaker 1: is because they that's what they do. They make sure
- 13:16Speaker 1: that we don't know what they know. Knowledge is more
- 13:21Speaker 1: wealth than money, It's more valuable by far, and they're
- 13:26Speaker 1: preventing us from having the knowledge we need to make
- 13:31Speaker 1: everyone's lives better. They are keeping us living short lives,
- 13:39Speaker 1: getting very sick and there I mean, like, for example,
- 13:44Speaker 1: the royal family, they don't get as sick as we do,
- 13:47Speaker 1: do they look at them all. The Queen lived to
- 13:51Speaker 1: be ninety six. You know, there are very few people
- 13:55Speaker 1: that do that, and it's because it's because they have
- 14:00Speaker 1: access to medical systems that are better than what we
- 14:05Speaker 1: have access to. And in the last five years, we've
- 14:09Speaker 1: seen what our medical system is capable of, and it's
- 14:14Speaker 1: upset everyone. No one wants to go to hospital anymore.
- 14:18Speaker 1: Everyone keeps well away from the doctors if they can
- 14:21Speaker 1: avoid them. So we've learned in the last five years
- 14:28Speaker 1: something we needed to know five hundred years ago. But
- 14:32Speaker 1: they've been very successful in keeping us ill informed.
- 14:38Speaker 2: You said earlier that the early Black nobility managed to
- 14:43Speaker 2: maintain a type of dominance through maritime trading like spices
- 14:48Speaker 2: and fabrics and drugs. Did they create sort of a
- 14:55Speaker 2: central stronghold. I think you mentioned Venus.
- 15:00Speaker 1: Yea, that Venice was their stronghold for one and a
- 15:06Speaker 1: half thousand years. They eventually realized that they needed to
- 15:13Speaker 1: that it was an inconvenient place. It was convenient for
- 15:16Speaker 1: the Mediterranean Empire, but when they wanted to go global,
- 15:23Speaker 1: it was an inconvenient spot. So they moved to Amsterdam,
- 15:30Speaker 1: and then very quickly moved from Amsterdam to the City of.
- 15:35Speaker 3: London with.
- 15:39Speaker 1: William of Orange when he married our Queen. So they
- 15:45Speaker 1: were able to get in through the back door effectively,
- 15:49Speaker 1: and that was very satisfying to them, because the city
- 15:52Speaker 1: of London square mile was originally Roman anyway, and had
- 15:57Speaker 1: special arrangements with the royal family of the UK to
- 16:03Speaker 1: maintain its independence. And then on the lines of that independence,
- 16:10Speaker 1: they set up Washington, DC. And then after that, the
- 16:15Speaker 1: last one of the three was the Vatican, which didn't
- 16:18Speaker 1: get its independence until nineteen twenty seven. But that's the
- 16:23Speaker 1: third of the three independent cities.
- 16:29Speaker 2: This is very important what you're talking about now, the
- 16:32Speaker 2: three independent so to speak, cities, Washington, City of London,
- 16:37Speaker 2: the Vatican, because you've made the point that the Roman
- 16:46Speaker 2: Empire didn't actually collapse, it just changed form.
- 16:53Speaker 1: Yeah, it just relocated and rebranded. The last thing they
- 16:59Speaker 1: ever wanted to be called was the Roman Empire. They
- 17:02Speaker 1: realized that the way to do to be truly powerful
- 17:06Speaker 1: was to have no identity, to in fact find scapegoats
- 17:12Speaker 1: or human shields to cover for them. So when they
- 17:17Speaker 1: took over the city of London and they set up
- 17:24Speaker 1: what is what we call the British Empire, it was
- 17:28Speaker 1: never British. It belonged to them. The British were the
- 17:33Speaker 1: cogs in the wheel. They were the cannon fodder that
- 17:37Speaker 1: went out and got the empire the lands America, Canada, Australia,
- 17:45Speaker 1: South Africa.
- 17:48Speaker 3: And New Zealand. The British were the.
- 17:53Speaker 1: Were the workers who went and got the the empire.
- 17:57Speaker 1: But the empire was never British. But calling it British.
- 18:02Speaker 3: Means that the whole world thinks that it.
- 18:06Speaker 1: Was the British Empire that dominated, that caused colonialism on
- 18:14Speaker 1: a massive scale worldwide, But it wasn't really, it was
- 18:20Speaker 1: the Venetian Empire disguised as the British Empire.
- 18:26Speaker 2: You mentioned scapegoats. That's very very poignant also because firstly,
- 18:33Speaker 2: the Black nobility or what about twelve or thirteen families
- 18:37Speaker 2: that you can actually name. And the scapegoats, as we
- 18:43Speaker 2: see today are all types of people, one of them
- 18:45Speaker 2: being Jews.
- 18:47Speaker 1: Oh, they love using the Jews escapegoats. They're perfect example.
- 18:54Speaker 1: They in fact invented the very first ghetto when they
- 18:59Speaker 1: were in Venice and they had banking houses. They had
- 19:03Speaker 1: a bit of a problem because they had no worries
- 19:06Speaker 1: about usury, about extreme interest on loans and so forth,
- 19:13Speaker 1: but they couldn't be seen to use that kind of
- 19:17Speaker 1: banking system because they were pretending to be Christians. So
- 19:23Speaker 1: they employed the Jews, but they didn't want them actually
- 19:28Speaker 1: living with them in Venice, so they set up the
- 19:32Speaker 1: first Jewish ghetto on another island nearby, and then that
- 19:40Speaker 1: system was adopted all the way through Europe. Every city
- 19:45Speaker 1: had a ghetto, a Jewish quarter or ghetto.
- 19:52Speaker 2: How powerful is or are the Black nobility.
- 20:01Speaker 3: I don't think.
- 20:03Speaker 1: I don't think there's any word that I could find
- 20:06Speaker 1: or think of that would describe the extreme of this powerfulness.
- 20:13Speaker 1: Its entire it's global that it has been for a
- 20:18Speaker 1: long time. To think that the new World Order is
- 20:23Speaker 1: somewhere in the future, it's ridiculous. It's been like this
- 20:27Speaker 1: for centuries. They make wars to.
- 20:36Speaker 3: Make money.
- 20:37Speaker 1: Everything is about making money for them, so you know,
- 20:41Speaker 1: there's no point in having a military industrial complex if
- 20:46Speaker 1: you're not going to go to war. So they find
- 20:49Speaker 1: good ones they set up. Let's have a war over here,
- 20:52Speaker 1: and let's have a war over there. And the objective
- 20:56Speaker 1: most of the time is to clear out people for
- 21:00Speaker 1: lands that they want to exploit in some way and
- 21:04Speaker 1: to put pressure on the lands that are doing really well. So,
- 21:10Speaker 1: for example, at the moment, the Middle East is being
- 21:14Speaker 1: cleared out. For the last god knows how long, fifty
- 21:16Speaker 1: odd years, they've been clearing out the Middle East into
- 21:21Speaker 1: Europe and now into America, and the object of that
- 21:27Speaker 1: exercise is to get access to the minerals and oil
- 21:35Speaker 1: deposits in the Middle East and at the same time
- 21:40Speaker 1: use the displaced people to place social pressure on the
- 21:47Speaker 1: systems in the European countries to the point where the
- 21:51Speaker 1: people are at each other's throats because everybody is competing
- 21:59Speaker 1: for fewer and fewer jobs and fewer and fewer facilities.
- 22:04Speaker 1: So it has a double edged sword. They get to
- 22:09Speaker 1: manipulate and use all the all the all the wealth
- 22:12Speaker 1: that's coming out of the Middle East and countries.
- 22:16Speaker 3: But at the same.
- 22:17Speaker 1: Time, those people have no choice. They either they either
- 22:21Speaker 1: stay in the Middle East and die or they migrate.
- 22:27Speaker 1: They don't have any choice, and we haven't got any choice.
- 22:31Speaker 1: We have to accept them coming in plus poverty, yeah,
- 22:39Speaker 1: and and and unrest because our cultures will clash.
- 22:45Speaker 3: And that's that's deliberate, so Frances.
- 22:50Speaker 2: So if we're to look at a hierarchical structure of
- 22:54Speaker 2: the most powerful people in the world, they're pretty much
- 22:57Speaker 2: at the top. Is that is that right?
- 22:59Speaker 3: They are? Yeah, there's no one above them.
- 23:02Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people think all this
- 23:05Speaker 1: is the devil or Satan. They think it's Satan. You've
- 23:10Speaker 1: got to be a Christian to believe in Satan, and
- 23:14Speaker 1: they're not. They're not Christians. They're atheists and nihilists. They
- 23:22Speaker 1: don't believe in any divine retribution. They don't believe in
- 23:26Speaker 1: heaven or hell. Those are the stories that they told
- 23:30Speaker 1: to the slaves. They just think that you've got one
- 23:35Speaker 1: life and then you pop your clogs and that's it.
- 23:39Speaker 1: That's why they spend so much money with people like
- 23:43Speaker 1: ray kerswhile trying to invent a way to upload your
- 23:48Speaker 1: brain into a computer, and live forever.
- 23:51Speaker 3: They're as nuts as ninepence.
- 23:53Speaker 1: Honestly, it's ridiculous, Jeremy, how nuts they are.
- 23:59Speaker 3: But that's how it is.
- 24:01Speaker 2: Somebody listening to you might think, but this sounds very woods,
- 24:06Speaker 2: very abstract. These are today real people living in actual countries. Right.
- 24:13Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not just living.
- 24:16Speaker 1: They're mainly living in forty five castles around the world.
- 24:23Speaker 1: They've got super yachts that they can spend some time on.
- 24:27Speaker 1: They've got private islands they own. If you, for example,
- 24:33Speaker 1: in the UK where I live, you only own if
- 24:37Speaker 1: you buy a piece of property, you only own the
- 24:40Speaker 1: top six inchies beneath that, now, no, it's mad, But
- 24:46Speaker 1: beneath that it's all theirs. It's all belongs to the
- 24:49Speaker 1: royal family. And the same thing. Yeah, and the same
- 24:55Speaker 1: thing applies anywhere in any of the colonies. They all
- 24:59Speaker 1: belong to the royal family. If you buy a house,
- 25:04Speaker 1: you're only buying the house, the property, and six inches
- 25:09Speaker 1: of soil. Anything below that is theirs. So if you
- 25:12Speaker 1: were to dig down a couple of feet and find treasure,
- 25:16Speaker 1: that becomes part of the treasury. If you dig down
- 25:20Speaker 1: a couple of miles and find oil, that becomes the
- 25:25Speaker 1: royal family that belongs to the country and who owns
- 25:31Speaker 1: the country, the royal family.
- 25:36Speaker 2: That's very interesting, Francis, because it changes the dynamic of politics,
- 25:41Speaker 2: doesn't it.
- 25:43Speaker 1: Well, it changes entirely your point of view when it
- 25:47Speaker 1: comes to shall I buy myself a piece alone? Because
- 25:50Speaker 1: it's just a con, It's a complete con.
- 25:56Speaker 2: Now you mentioned these, so I've got the names of
- 25:59Speaker 2: some of these families. I can't pronounce a lot of
- 26:01Speaker 2: these these names, they're just I think they're Italian or something,
- 26:04Speaker 2: but I can pronounce like Orsini and Rospoli and Conti.
- 26:11Speaker 2: I think the point is is that there are actual
- 26:14Speaker 2: families with these bloodlines that go back and they and
- 26:18Speaker 2: they're traceable, and they they've they've held onto these leaves
- 26:22Speaker 2: of power. How have they done that?
- 26:26Speaker 1: Well, if you think back to the surfdom, they they
- 26:33Speaker 1: owned huge pieces of land. The only people that were
- 26:37Speaker 1: allowed to live on those pieces of land were tenants,
- 26:41Speaker 1: and those tenants were paying rent and they built up
- 26:47Speaker 1: there their coffers that way as well. They never there
- 26:54Speaker 1: was no way of becoming a landowner unless you did
- 26:58Speaker 1: so by her read or by good fortune, and were
- 27:02Speaker 1: able to buy some land. If you did really well.
- 27:07Speaker 1: But the fact is that even like I say, even
- 27:13Speaker 1: if you were able to buy yourself a pizza land,
- 27:16Speaker 1: which I have done from time to time, and then
- 27:20Speaker 1: to find out that I only owned the TOXICX thinches
- 27:22Speaker 1: was a bit disappointing.
- 27:27Speaker 2: It's a bit of a raw deal.
- 27:29Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so I gave up with that idea. I thought, no,
- 27:33Speaker 1: I'm not buying any more land. When I came back
- 27:35Speaker 1: from Spain, I had a fruit farm in Spain was
- 27:38Speaker 1: the last pizza land I armed.
- 27:40Speaker 3: And it's the same there that the royal.
- 27:45Speaker 1: Families in Spain are part of the black nobility.
- 27:50Speaker 2: So effectively you're talking about European aristocracy as whole. Yes, yes, okay,
- 27:59Speaker 2: So what about Asian like China and that part of
- 28:02Speaker 2: the world. Do they also have black nobility families.
- 28:07Speaker 1: I don't think they have so much black nobility families,
- 28:13Speaker 1: but they have been infiltrated with advisors. And for example,
- 28:21Speaker 1: in China, the Jesuits were basically early spies and they
- 28:30Speaker 1: were going into China to teach and convert to Christianity ostensibly,
- 28:41Speaker 1: but really they were just spying and getting into the
- 28:46Speaker 1: into influencing the the landowners and the aristocracy of China
- 28:55Speaker 1: and Japan and other places like that. So they have
- 28:59Speaker 1: an influence, and that influence can be really really important,
- 29:05Speaker 1: and they and via that influence, they can also be
- 29:09Speaker 1: quite threatening.
- 29:12Speaker 2: Do they have significant influence over geopolitics?
- 29:16Speaker 3: They are geopolitics.
- 29:19Speaker 1: Everything you meat, everything beneath them is just a layer
- 29:24Speaker 1: of servitude, you.
- 29:26Speaker 2: Know, control the banks, it's all.
- 29:33Speaker 1: It's all too it's all to make them more. The
- 29:39Speaker 1: situation in Ukraine is very interesting because their greatest servants
- 29:48Speaker 1: at the top of the banking industry are the Jews.
- 29:52Speaker 3: But most of the Jews that.
- 29:54Speaker 1: Are now in Israel and in major cities in Europe
- 29:59Speaker 1: and a Mayora, they're descended from the Kazarians and the Yeah.
- 30:06Speaker 1: So it looks to me as if they're going to
- 30:11Speaker 1: go back, as if the Kazarians are trying to reclaim Kazaria,
- 30:16Speaker 1: the land that they had from Kiev all the way
- 30:19Speaker 1: across to Kazakhstan, which is a huge stretch of land.
- 30:25Speaker 1: So they've started in Ukraine and it looks to me
- 30:28Speaker 1: as if they're going to depopulate. Well, they were almost
- 30:32Speaker 1: succeeded in depopulating Ukraine. The first thing that happened was
- 30:37Speaker 1: millions of people ran away and became refugees, and then
- 30:44Speaker 1: with the with the progression of this war that so
- 30:48Speaker 1: many of them have died. And then recently I'm hearing
- 30:52Speaker 1: that more than ten thousand Israelis have already moved in
- 30:56Speaker 1: and bought up the property pennies on the dollar. So
- 31:02Speaker 1: it looks as though that's that's a long term plan
- 31:08Speaker 1: to revitalize Kazaria.
- 31:12Speaker 2: But that's very interesting.
- 31:14Speaker 1: Yeah, it's because of the minerals and that are unexploited
- 31:19Speaker 1: in the Ukraine. It's very interesting.
- 31:23Speaker 2: Indeed, I was asking now a moment ago about the
- 31:27Speaker 2: large amounts of land owned by the Black nobility. But
- 31:32Speaker 2: you've also made the point that they are quote unquote
- 31:35Speaker 2: an empire of trade.
- 31:38Speaker 1: Well, yes, the majority of their ownership is what we
- 31:42Speaker 1: would call big corporations, all the major corporations, and their
- 31:48Speaker 1: money is invested through Vanguard and Blackrock Blackrock, so's it's
- 31:58Speaker 1: kind of hidden there. Their ownership of all of those
- 32:03Speaker 1: this network of corporations is hidden behind fake names. Vanguard
- 32:10Speaker 1: and black Rock are simply uh, the servants. They're the
- 32:18Speaker 1: servants that do the investing for the bosses. The bosses
- 32:24Speaker 1: don't have to do anything at all really must be one.
- 32:29Speaker 2: They've got their hands in every pie. I mean just today, yeah,
- 32:33Speaker 2: I mean just today, Francis, I had a look at
- 32:36Speaker 2: so South Africa's largest media outlet. I decided to have
- 32:40Speaker 2: a look at who their major shareholders are in South Africa,
- 32:45Speaker 2: and I guess you can guess exactly who are in
- 32:50Speaker 2: the top five.
- 32:51Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's always the same ones.
- 32:54Speaker 3: It's Vanguard Rock.
- 32:57Speaker 2: You mentioned the Vatican earlier. Now we can't we can't
- 33:00Speaker 2: gloss over that because the Vatican is quite powerful and
- 33:03Speaker 2: it's still a center of a lot of control today.
- 33:08Speaker 2: What influence did the Black nobility have over the Vatican.
- 33:16Speaker 1: Well, they set it up in the first place, it
- 33:19Speaker 1: belongs to them. It was their idea to have a
- 33:25Speaker 1: pope and archbishops and so forth, and they appoint them.
- 33:31Speaker 1: They appoint all those people, and they've always come from
- 33:35Speaker 1: among their own usually second sons. First sons took over
- 33:41Speaker 1: the running of the family. Second sons went into religion,
- 33:46Speaker 1: because religions are very important control mechanism.
- 33:50Speaker 2: And you mentioned the Jesuits earlier. So they were set
- 33:52Speaker 2: up then as the military wing of the Vatican under
- 33:55Speaker 2: the auspices of the Black nobility.
- 33:59Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Funaisy family that first took an
- 34:04Speaker 1: interest in Loyola and his idea, his idea to have
- 34:11Speaker 1: a military monk could and he went to the far Naisy.
- 34:17Speaker 1: They financed him to present himself to the Pope, and
- 34:25Speaker 1: that was how the Jesuits got started, and they carried
- 34:32Speaker 1: They were considered at the time to be useful because
- 34:36Speaker 1: they might be able to put down the Reformation which
- 34:41Speaker 1: was caused causing a schism in Christianity which we now
- 34:48Speaker 1: call Protestantism versus Catholicism. But they weren't very successful at
- 34:56Speaker 1: doing that. They didn't actually put it down, but they
- 34:59Speaker 1: were a to infiltrate it by virtue of educational establishments worldwide.
- 35:06Speaker 1: They they are they all the best universities and colleges
- 35:13Speaker 1: are run by Jesuits.
- 35:15Speaker 2: Yes, I saw, I actually saw that Donald Trump went
- 35:19Speaker 2: to a Jesuit owned college or tertiary institution of some sort.
- 35:24Speaker 3: Yeah he did.
- 35:25Speaker 1: Yeah, so does every single leader of the CIA.
- 35:30Speaker 2: But then, okay, so francis, what is the end game? Then?
- 35:33Speaker 2: What is the goal of the Black nobility. Is it
- 35:36Speaker 2: simply to keep themselves rich and having a good time,
- 35:40Speaker 2: or do they have something bigger.
- 35:43Speaker 1: That's a good question, that really is. I don't like
- 35:49Speaker 1: what I foresee that they're up to. From what I
- 35:52Speaker 1: can make out of what I can what they're doing,
- 35:55Speaker 1: it looks as though they are intending to depopulate as
- 35:59Speaker 1: far as POSSI and I mean on a massive scale.
- 36:04Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if the figures we are given
- 36:08Speaker 1: for population globally are accurate. They control all forms of
- 36:16Speaker 1: media and information, so we might be being told we've
- 36:21Speaker 1: got eight eight billion people, but we may not have
- 36:25Speaker 1: that many. Well, there's no way of knowing, because everything
- 36:29Speaker 1: we know is brought to us via their medium. So
- 36:34Speaker 1: they're saying, via the Club of Rome into the United Nations,
- 36:40Speaker 1: we've got far too many people.
- 36:42Speaker 3: We need to cut down on people.
- 36:45Speaker 1: And this is being educated into all the younger generations.
- 36:51Speaker 1: They all believe it. Some of them actually say things like, oh,
- 36:55Speaker 1: I'm never having children. I don't want to contribute to
- 37:00Speaker 1: overpopulation or abortion. Yeah. Yeah, indeed, it's very it's very
- 37:10Speaker 1: sad to see the impact of that kind of education.
- 37:15Speaker 1: What is done to young people is really upsetting.
- 37:18Speaker 3: But then.
- 37:21Speaker 1: It looks to me as if in the long run,
- 37:23Speaker 1: in the long run, they're going to try to depopulate
- 37:27Speaker 1: down to the point where they have maybe no more
- 37:31Speaker 1: than half a billion people on earth, just like it
- 37:34Speaker 1: said on the Georgia guidestones. Well, I think they destroyed
- 37:41Speaker 1: those guidestones and that was a signal to everyone of
- 37:47Speaker 1: their team that this is the beginning of the end.
- 37:55Speaker 1: That blowing up the evidence. Yeah, that was just This
- 38:01Speaker 1: is just my own personal theory because I know the
- 38:03Speaker 1: way they think, and I'm thinking that's the sort of
- 38:07Speaker 1: thing they would do.
- 38:08Speaker 3: It's a signal.
- 38:11Speaker 2: You've also made a very interesting comment about the Rockefellers
- 38:15Speaker 2: and Rothschilds.
- 38:16Speaker 1: Now.
- 38:16Speaker 2: I bring this up because these are two names that
- 38:19Speaker 2: we always hear about and they are exceptionally powerful. But
- 38:24Speaker 2: you're saying that they're not that powerful.
- 38:27Speaker 3: Actually, well, no they're not. Really.
- 38:32Speaker 1: It's easy to tell who is really powerful and who
- 38:35Speaker 1: isn't Those that are in the black nobility aristocracy level.
- 38:42Speaker 1: They are kings, queen's prince's.
- 38:46Speaker 3: Counsel, and so forth.
- 38:47Speaker 1: But among the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, you're not going
- 38:52Speaker 1: to see anyone any higher than a night Now, you
- 38:55Speaker 1: know what, do you play chess?
- 38:58Speaker 2: Yes, a little bit, right, So now.
- 39:01Speaker 3: Think about a chessboard.
- 39:04Speaker 1: The kings and the queens are the ones that are
- 39:06Speaker 1: playing the actual game, and the others are all defending
- 39:10Speaker 1: those two pieces. So next to the king and the
- 39:14Speaker 1: queen is the bishops, the religious leaders, and then next
- 39:19Speaker 1: to them come the knights. Well that's who the Rockefellers
- 39:24Speaker 1: and the Rothschilds are. They're the knights of the realm.
- 39:29Speaker 1: And the last pieces on the outside are the castles,
- 39:34Speaker 1: the land, the property that they own, and all the
- 39:38Speaker 1: little minions are the pawns in the line in front.
- 39:42Speaker 1: So as long as you bear in mind that that
- 39:45Speaker 1: that game is the game that's being played, everyone is
- 39:51Speaker 1: defending the kings and the queens. We're not important. None
- 39:56Speaker 1: of us are important.
- 39:57Speaker 3: They are.
- 39:59Speaker 1: That's the way they see it. They believe that they
- 40:01Speaker 1: have the divine right to rule.
- 40:04Speaker 2: The people who you cannot criticize are the ones who
- 40:08Speaker 2: will censor you and suppress you, and those often are Jews.
- 40:13Speaker 2: But it wouldn't necessarily be black nobility suppressing or censoring you.
- 40:21Speaker 1: Well, you wouldn't be aware of it, would you. Most
- 40:25Speaker 1: people are not even aware of the Black nobility, so
- 40:28Speaker 1: how would they know that they're being suppressed by them?
- 40:32Speaker 1: Most people don't even know that they're a slave, a
- 40:36Speaker 1: debt slave. Everyone thinks they're free. Of the number of
- 40:40Speaker 1: times in my lifetime people have said to me, it's
- 40:42Speaker 1: a free country. I'm a free person.
- 40:48Speaker 2: Definitely not right. So you were locked down? I mean,
- 40:52Speaker 2: how can anybody, how can anybody claim any type of
- 40:57Speaker 2: freedom from the last five years?
- 41:00Speaker 1: Precisely that was a bad move because they've made themselves
- 41:06Speaker 1: really obvious.
- 41:08Speaker 3: But at the.
- 41:08Speaker 1: Same time they're saying, what are you going to do
- 41:12Speaker 1: about it? What can you do about it? We could
- 41:17Speaker 1: do it again tomorrow and there'd be nothing you could
- 41:20Speaker 1: do about it. Right now, they're murdering an entire all
- 41:25Speaker 1: of Gaza Strip. They're murdering every living thing in Gaza Strip,
- 41:29Speaker 1: And at the same time they're saying to us, and
- 41:33Speaker 1: what are you going to do about it? The highest
- 41:36Speaker 1: court in the land has said that there's a warrant
- 41:40Speaker 1: out for net and Yahoo and what are we doing
- 41:43Speaker 1: about it? Nothing exactly, And this is them rubbing it in.
- 41:50Speaker 1: You are powerless. You cannot defy us. We own it all.
- 41:59Speaker 2: It seems of a dock though, Francis you you would
- 42:05Speaker 2: leave this conversation feeling rather heavy. I mean, is there
- 42:09Speaker 2: a light at the end of the tunnel.
- 42:16Speaker 3: That's a good one for me.
- 42:18Speaker 1: There is a light, but that's because I believe in reincarnation.
- 42:23Speaker 1: I don't have any attachment to this particular life. I
- 42:29Speaker 1: wholeheartedly believe in reincarnation, and I believe I've been around
- 42:33Speaker 1: thousands of times before and will be around thousands of
- 42:37Speaker 1: times in the future. So for me, it's not depressing
- 42:41Speaker 1: in the slightest. It's just one more stage in the universe,
- 42:49Speaker 1: unfolding as it should, so I don't find it heavy
- 42:53Speaker 1: or dark. I find it interesting the way that some
- 43:00Speaker 1: people have forgotten who they are and have assumed that
- 43:04Speaker 1: they are superior to others, and that is a soul fault.
- 43:13Speaker 3: They have a fault in their soul.
- 43:15Speaker 1: If they believe that they're any more important than any
- 43:18Speaker 1: other life form.
- 43:20Speaker 3: They have a fault in their soul.
- 43:23Speaker 1: And so I feel sorry for the Black nobility and
- 43:27Speaker 1: their chief servants. I feel sorry for these people because
- 43:32Speaker 1: they're living a lie. They're deceiving themselves every bit as
- 43:39Speaker 1: much as they're deceiving everyone else. As soon as they
- 43:43Speaker 1: let go of that sense of superiority and become just
- 43:46Speaker 1: the same as everyone else, that hole in their soul
- 43:51Speaker 1: will heal and we will all benefit from that, because
- 43:56Speaker 1: the way I see things, we're all one, We're one
- 43:59Speaker 1: big soul, and if a few of us are damaged
- 44:04Speaker 1: like that, then we're all damaged.
- 44:11Speaker 2: Okay, So Francis, let me bring it back again to
- 44:14Speaker 2: the sort of human aspect. So let's talk about the
- 44:18Speaker 2: British royal family for a moment. So we see Diana's
- 44:23Speaker 2: two boys, Harry and what's his name William?
- 44:30Speaker 3: William.
- 44:31Speaker 2: Now, they didn't have a choice. They were born into
- 44:35Speaker 2: this family. Do we do we just stroke everybody with
- 44:43Speaker 2: the same brush, or or can we see some light
- 44:47Speaker 2: in some of these individuals.
- 44:53Speaker 1: I feel very sorry for those individuals because they are
- 44:58Speaker 1: as much track into an unpleasant situation as all the
- 45:04Speaker 1: rest of us are. This came across in the Netflix
- 45:10Speaker 1: series The Crown. Yes, it was really obvious that they
- 45:19Speaker 1: had no choice. There were rules that they were obeying,
- 45:23Speaker 1: and it was rules that were made thousands of you know,
- 45:26Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of years ago, and I as I
- 45:30Speaker 1: was watching it, I kept thinking, oh, bugger the rules.
- 45:32Speaker 1: What you're talking about? You know, just throw the rules
- 45:36Speaker 1: out and do it differently. Why can't you do that,
- 45:40Speaker 1: and I was rather hoping that at some point our
- 45:45Speaker 1: royal family would wake up and smell the coffee, you know,
- 45:49Speaker 1: But it's not so far.
- 45:52Speaker 2: Was Diana part of the part of the black nobility.
- 45:57Speaker 1: Well, she was a Spencer, which is a a noble
- 46:00Speaker 1: family before she married Charles. She was a Spencer, but
- 46:08Speaker 1: she was so young. I don't think she knew. And
- 46:10Speaker 1: that's another thing. They're chronic misogynists. They think all women
- 46:16Speaker 1: are airheads. They treat all women as airheads. And I
- 46:20Speaker 1: wouldn't be at all surprised if the Queen herself was
- 46:23Speaker 1: oblivious of half what they're getting up to.
- 46:27Speaker 2: Because but then, sorry, but then, but then, Diana did
- 46:32Speaker 2: seem to know a few things that she probably shouldn't
- 46:36Speaker 2: have known, which which which kind of leads to the death.
- 46:46Speaker 1: She knew that they were going to kill her, or
- 46:49Speaker 1: they were going to try to kill her. She felt
- 46:53Speaker 1: convinced of that. I don't know if she knew anything
- 46:59Speaker 1: about the extreme levels of wealth that we're talking about.
- 47:05Speaker 1: I don't think she did. But look, because like I say,
- 47:08Speaker 1: they are extremely misogynistic.
- 47:13Speaker 3: It's a man's world.
- 47:18Speaker 2: Well, if you if you're part of the aristocracy, I'm
- 47:22Speaker 2: here in Africa. I don't know that much power.
- 47:26Speaker 1: My grandma used to say to me, we just let
- 47:28Speaker 1: the men think that they they're in charge, but they're
- 47:31Speaker 1: not really.
- 47:33Speaker 2: I think that's quite true. But okay, So staying with
- 47:37Speaker 2: the royal family, there was that incident with Harry trying
- 47:40Speaker 2: to break away with what's her name, Meghan. Do you
- 47:44Speaker 2: think there was some significance there. Do you think that
- 47:47Speaker 2: he he wanted to try and and and and get
- 47:51Speaker 2: rid of get rid of those chains.
- 47:53Speaker 1: Yes, I think he's done very well to do to
- 47:57Speaker 1: go as far as he has and get away from them.
- 48:00Speaker 1: I think he's done well. He wanted to be normal
- 48:03Speaker 1: like everybody else, I think, and I think he's achieved
- 48:10Speaker 1: it to a certain extent, and he didn't want his
- 48:13Speaker 1: kids growing up with that same pressure that he had.
- 48:17Speaker 1: He wants his kids to grow up like normal kids.
- 48:23Speaker 2: So if you think about the Black nobility now in
- 48:25Speaker 2: the year twenty twenty five, the families are very much there.
- 48:31Speaker 2: They will continue having kids and making sure that who
- 48:36Speaker 2: the kids marry are within the fold, and they are
- 48:40Speaker 2: very determined to keep that power, that grasp and power
- 48:46Speaker 2: for many more centuries.
- 48:47Speaker 1: I'm guessing yeah, it's an addiction. It's fear as well.
- 48:55Speaker 1: I think they're actually terrified of becoming poverty stricken. Can
- 49:00Speaker 1: you imagine them having to live in a council house
- 49:03Speaker 1: in Birmingham. They would, you know, they would die of fright.
- 49:07Speaker 1: They wouldn't be able to cope. So a lot of
- 49:09Speaker 1: the basis of their maintaining these fondaie and these these
- 49:16Speaker 1: divine rights to rule is fear. They're terrorized. They're scared
- 49:21Speaker 1: of us, which is another reason why they want to
- 49:24Speaker 1: keep culling us down, because they're too scared of us.
- 49:31Speaker 2: They've also i mean, you mentioned the Jesuits, but the
- 49:34Speaker 2: Black nobility have created a lot of different secret societies,
- 49:39Speaker 2: haven't they.
- 49:41Speaker 1: Well, a lot of secret societies have developed underneath them. Yeah,
- 49:48Speaker 1: like the Illuminati in Bavaria and the Freemasons, Rosicrucians opu.
- 49:59Speaker 3: Stay could go on forever.
- 50:00Speaker 1: There's loads, absolutely loads. But these these societies make up
- 50:06Speaker 1: make themselves.
- 50:08Speaker 3: Like Rhodes, when he was in.
- 50:09Speaker 1: South Africa, he had delusions of grandeur, imagined that he
- 50:15Speaker 1: could set up a British empire that spanned the world,
- 50:20Speaker 1: and he thought it was a wonderful thing. But this
- 50:25Speaker 1: is because he was of his education and his hubris
- 50:29Speaker 1: and personal self esteem. These people think that, they genuinely
- 50:35Speaker 1: do think that they're better than everybody else, and that
- 50:38Speaker 1: is just so wrong. They don't see that that is immoral.
- 50:45Speaker 2: I don't know if this is the right question to ask,
- 50:47Speaker 2: but is there a way to push back? I mean,
- 50:52Speaker 2: is it possible? And if there is a way to
- 50:55Speaker 2: push back, what is what is it?
- 50:58Speaker 3: Well?
- 50:58Speaker 1: The way we are pushing back now is simply by
- 51:02Speaker 1: making this information available to everyone so that everyone sees
- 51:07Speaker 1: it for what it is. It's like pulling back a
- 51:10Speaker 1: veil and seeing what a game is being played behind
- 51:15Speaker 1: our backs. And it's no good ass getting angry with
- 51:20Speaker 1: them because there's nothing we can do. Like I said
- 51:23Speaker 1: to you, they're saying, what are you going to.
- 51:26Speaker 3: Do about it?
- 51:26Speaker 1: Because they're in a castle, or on an island, or
- 51:31Speaker 1: on a super yacht somewhere. What we have to do,
- 51:35Speaker 1: I think, is make them realize that they are not
- 51:41Speaker 1: superior to us. In fact, they're inferior to us because
- 51:46Speaker 1: they're not moral. They have no morals, none at all.
- 51:50Speaker 1: And anybody that accumulates more than a billion pounds or
- 51:55Speaker 1: dollars is immoral. And once that way of thinking enters
- 52:02Speaker 1: the human race. Once the whole human race says.
- 52:05Speaker 3: No, no, no no.
- 52:07Speaker 1: To become to consider yourself superior and to accumulate so
- 52:14Speaker 1: much wealth, you are actually an immoral and unpleasant person.
- 52:20Speaker 3: You're not better.
- 52:22Speaker 1: Than anybody else, You're worse than everybody else. And as
- 52:26Speaker 1: soon as they realize that that is how people are
- 52:29Speaker 1: thinking about them, shame will say in. And they don't
- 52:34Speaker 1: like to be ridiculed, and they don't like to be
- 52:38Speaker 1: looked down on because that's what they have been doing
- 52:41Speaker 1: to us for generations, so they know how much it hurts.
- 52:46Speaker 1: So let's turn it around. They're the immorals. They're the
- 52:51Speaker 1: ones we've got to expose. We don't need to have
- 52:56Speaker 1: any kind of trials or these are these are international
- 53:01Speaker 1: crime crime syndicates, and we don't need trials for that.
- 53:07Speaker 1: We just need to say, look, that's immoral. And it
- 53:11Speaker 1: can be done on a very simple scale, like when
- 53:15Speaker 1: you're at work. When I was working in the City
- 53:17Speaker 1: of London, having the nerve to turn around and say
- 53:21Speaker 1: to your boss, I'm not doing that because it's immoral.
- 53:27Speaker 1: You don't have to say because I'm a Christian or
- 53:29Speaker 1: because i'm a Muslim or a Jew or any other religion.
- 53:35Speaker 1: You just say I'm not doing that because it is
- 53:38Speaker 1: immoral and put the ball on the other foot so
- 53:43Speaker 1: that they have to face up to the fact that
- 53:46Speaker 1: they're asking you to do something that is dodgy. That's
- 53:53Speaker 1: how I would That's how I've always dealt with them life.
- 53:57Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think they make
- 53:59Speaker 2: of some do you like Elon Musku isn't part of
- 54:03Speaker 2: the nobility, but he is exceptionally wealthy.
- 54:08Speaker 1: Well, he is part of the nobility. Yeah, he's He's
- 54:13Speaker 1: a kind of accept kid.
- 54:19Speaker 3: I was.
- 54:19Speaker 1: I would say that he's got I think the money
- 54:24Speaker 1: that he's started to seed money for his businesses has
- 54:28Speaker 1: come from black nobility all the way through, and so
- 54:32Speaker 1: he is like a front man and he knows he is.
- 54:36Speaker 1: He does as he's told. The same with Bill Gates.
- 54:39Speaker 1: He had money from black nobility, so did Donald Trump, Zuckerberg, Bezos.
- 54:50Speaker 1: Feel all those billionaires have all been placed in that
- 54:56Speaker 1: position because they are acting as scape. They are the
- 55:02Speaker 1: human shields for the black nobility. People will get angry
- 55:06Speaker 1: with them, like burning Tesla cars and all that. People
- 55:13Speaker 1: will be aiming aiming their angst at the billionaires. But
- 55:18Speaker 1: it's the trillionaires that are pulling the strings that are
- 55:21Speaker 1: making those billionaires possible. All of those people I just
- 55:27Speaker 1: named were all trained in mind control by Jeffrey Epstein.
- 55:35Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a black nobility, he was a black
- 55:39Speaker 1: nobility agent. He worked for them, and he went around
- 55:44Speaker 1: the world compromising people so that they did what was
- 55:50Speaker 1: required of them. And he's just one. There were loads
- 55:54Speaker 1: like that. There were loads of people that were like
- 55:57Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, and they're still are. What we have to
- 56:02Speaker 1: do is point out how immoral these people are and
- 56:07Speaker 1: knock them off their pedestal by saying you're immoral, You're
- 56:10Speaker 1: not on a pedestal, not in my eyes, and I
- 56:16Speaker 1: think there's a lot of power in that attitude.
- 56:22Speaker 2: How can I find your substec and any other work
- 56:26Speaker 2: of yours.
- 56:28Speaker 1: Well, don't use Google because Google absolutely tests me and
- 56:36Speaker 1: you won't find me mentioned until about the fifth page.
- 56:40Speaker 1: Use any other search engine, particularly Duck Duck Goo, and
- 56:44Speaker 1: just type in Francis Leader and you will find my
- 56:48Speaker 1: substact come up to the top. Everything else that I've
- 56:55Speaker 1: ever done has been moral less wiped off of the Internet,
- 57:01Speaker 1: so all that's left is on substack.
- 57:05Speaker 2: Francis Leader, thank you so much for joining me in
- 57:07Speaker 2: the trenches.
- 57:09Speaker 3: Oh, it's a pleasure to talk to you. It always
- 57:11Speaker 3: is