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- 0:00Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 0:05Speaker 2: A precious teen girl in a vegetative state like a coma,
- 0:12Speaker 2: tortured relentlessly by a nurse, and lucky for me, it's
- 0:20Speaker 2: all caught on camera. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories,
- 0:25Speaker 2: and I want to thank you for being with us.
- 0:35Speaker 3: The patient couldn't move, couldn't speak, couldn't defend herself, but
- 0:39Speaker 3: a camera caught it all. And now this home help
- 0:42Speaker 3: nurse is behind bars.
- 0:44Speaker 2: Home health my rear end talk about a felony defendant.
- 0:50Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. Joining me an all star
- 0:54Speaker 2: panel to make sense of what we know tonight. But first,
- 0:58Speaker 2: before I even get into the facts, I want to
- 1:00Speaker 2: go out to a special guest joining us who's taking
- 1:03Speaker 2: time from solving crimes right now and answering calls. Chief
- 1:08Speaker 2: Douglas Gurkey joining a Saint Cloud Police Department in Florida. Chief,
- 1:12Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know what, Chief,
- 1:15Speaker 2: do you ever get tired of the most vulnerable, the
- 1:21Speaker 2: most defenseless, the weakest people in our society getting prayed
- 1:27Speaker 2: upon and mistreated just for the fun of it? Do
- 1:30Speaker 2: you ever get exhausted and go home and say I
- 1:33Speaker 2: give up.
- 1:34Speaker 4: I quit you know, Nancy, I appreciate that, and I
- 1:36Speaker 4: appreciate you having me on the show. And you know,
- 1:38Speaker 4: every day we come to work every single day to
- 1:41Speaker 4: ensure that our community is not prayed on. And you know,
- 1:45Speaker 4: some of the things I've seen in my career almost
- 1:47Speaker 4: twenty five years is just it's shocking to see the
- 1:50Speaker 4: videos of what occurred in this case. Specifically, it reinvigors
- 1:54Speaker 4: our mission every single day to come out and again
- 1:57Speaker 4: protect those that are unable to protect themselves. And that's
- 2:00Speaker 4: exactly what happened in this case. But there was a
- 2:03Speaker 4: lot of things that came together to make this work.
- 2:05Speaker 4: And you know, I give a lot of credit to
- 2:06Speaker 4: our detectives, but I really give a lot of credit
- 2:08Speaker 4: to the family that actually had the cameras set up,
- 2:11Speaker 4: that recognized this, that came to law enforcement, and we
- 2:14Speaker 4: partnered with them to make sure that this person is
- 2:16Speaker 4: actually never able to harm another person.
- 2:19Speaker 2: One bad apple makes a whole bunch rotten.
- 2:23Speaker 4: Yeah, So they're in every profession, Nancy, And you're one
- 2:25Speaker 4: hundred percent correct. You know, no matter what profession there is,
- 2:28Speaker 4: there's always going to be someone there that has to
- 2:30Speaker 4: be watched. I will tell you I'm a paramedic myself,
- 2:33Speaker 4: so I you know, the duty to do no harm.
- 2:36Speaker 4: The things that I saw here were absolutely despicable. But
- 2:38Speaker 4: I will tell you there's good people out there that
- 2:40Speaker 4: actually take their job seriously, and our job is to
- 2:43Speaker 4: find those that are not. I think this family knew
- 2:46Speaker 4: something was wrong, which is why they set the camera up.
- 2:48Speaker 4: And when they reviewed the cameras and what they saw,
- 2:50Speaker 4: they saw nosebleeds, They saw everything out of this poor victim. Again,
- 2:54Speaker 4: it's heartbreaking. I saw the mom last night. She came
- 2:57Speaker 4: in last night. I gave her a big hug. She
- 2:58Speaker 4: brought me some new video. Unfortunately, we're going to be
- 3:01Speaker 4: looking at those two. We're going back day by day
- 3:03Speaker 4: that she has video, and we're gonna actually look at
- 3:05Speaker 4: everything because there's potentially more charges coming against this person.
- 3:09Speaker 2: You know, chief two words, nail her, Nail her because
- 3:16Speaker 2: it's going to go on and on and on until
- 3:20Speaker 2: healthcare workers realize they will be held accountable if they're caught.
- 3:25Speaker 2: And also, I know it's not sexy. You're not like
- 3:29Speaker 2: stopping a gunfight or jumping in in the middle of
- 3:33Speaker 2: a bank robbery. You and your staff are going to
- 3:36Speaker 2: be going through minute by minute video where mostly nothing happens,
- 3:42Speaker 2: but then there's that moment. There's that moment, and it's
- 3:47Speaker 2: a felony. Okay, let's start at the beginning. Listen.
- 3:50Speaker 5: A mother in St. Cloud, Florida, hires around the clock
- 3:53Speaker 5: nursing care in her home to help care for her
- 3:55Speaker 5: teenage daughter. The eighteen year old is developmentally disabled, nonverbal,
- 4:00Speaker 5: quadriplegic with cerebral palsy and minimal vision. To cover the
- 4:03Speaker 5: twenty four to seven schedule, nurses work twelve hour shifts
- 4:07Speaker 5: seven am to seven pm and seven pm to seven am.
- 4:10Speaker 5: And there's Saint Cloud, Florida home. Different nurses are used
- 4:13Speaker 5: from two different services in the area to provide the
- 4:15Speaker 5: nurses needed for proper care.
- 4:17Speaker 2: Boy, can I relate to that all star pane. I'm
- 4:21Speaker 2: going to go to doctor Kendall Crowns, but first to
- 4:24Speaker 2: Dave Mack, who is a tireless Crime Stories investigative reporter.
- 4:29Speaker 2: You know, Dave, you have been to our home, You
- 4:33Speaker 2: met my mom. That's exactly the setup that we have.
- 4:36Speaker 2: When I go to work, there's somebody with her. Whenever
- 4:41Speaker 2: I'm away, there is somebody with her. And I have
- 4:44Speaker 2: the greatest people that I know. I know them now,
- 4:48Speaker 2: I know their families, I know all about them, and
- 4:51Speaker 2: I trust them. I also have granny cams out the
- 4:56Speaker 2: yin Yang, so I can see I'm seeing right here.
- 4:58Speaker 2: I could see what is happening in my mom's room
- 5:02Speaker 2: right But you have to trust these people. Tell me
- 5:06Speaker 2: about this girl, this teen girl. She is in a
- 5:10Speaker 2: vegetative state. What happened.
- 5:13Speaker 6: We're not talking about an incident that happened that caused this.
- 5:16Speaker 6: She was born with a number of issues. She is
- 5:20Speaker 6: non communicative, she is a quadriplegic Jazz three with palsy,
- 5:25Speaker 6: and she has minimal visions, so she needs twenty four hour,
- 5:29Speaker 6: round the clock care that her family has provided for her.
- 5:32Speaker 6: And they've got a great lengths to make sure that
- 5:35Speaker 6: she's got somebody there with her all the time. They
- 5:39Speaker 6: work shifts from seven pm to seven am, seven am
- 5:42Speaker 6: to seven pm, and in this particular case, the same
- 5:46Speaker 6: nurse has been there every Friday, working the seven pm
- 5:50Speaker 6: to seven am Saturday morning shift for over a year.
- 5:53Speaker 2: Nancy, Oh my Stars, no wonder. Teve Gurky has a
- 5:59Speaker 2: lot of video. Over a year, this minion from hell
- 6:03Speaker 2: has been with this little girl, this teen girl, let
- 6:06Speaker 2: me go to doctor Kendall Crown's. Guys. Doctor Kendall Crowns
- 6:10Speaker 2: is the chief Medical Examiner Terrance County. That's Fort Worth, Texas.
- 6:15Speaker 2: Never a lack of business there. I like to say.
- 6:18Speaker 2: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
- 6:21Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU, and he has just launched a hit
- 6:26Speaker 2: podcast called Mayhem in the Morgue and I've listened to it,
- 6:30Speaker 2: and it is him describing very unique cases that he
- 6:35Speaker 2: has worked in the past. At the beginning, you couldn't
- 6:37Speaker 2: really tell what was going to happen with the CEOD
- 6:40Speaker 2: cause of death. And then he puts it together like
- 6:42Speaker 2: a Airculee Poirot in the end and it all makes sense.
- 6:46Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing, Doctor Kndll Crowns. So that's a whole
- 6:49Speaker 2: other can of worms. Doctor Crowns, could you just tell
- 6:52Speaker 2: me what does all this mean? As I like to say,
- 6:55Speaker 2: I'm just a JD. You're the MD. Now, this teen
- 6:59Speaker 2: girl developed mentally disabled. She's nonverbal. I know what that means.
- 7:03Speaker 2: She can't speak. She's a quadriplegic with cerebral palsy and
- 7:08Speaker 2: minimal vision. Okay, what is that potpoery of ailments. What
- 7:13Speaker 2: does that mean?
- 7:14Speaker 7: So let's start with cerebral palsy. Cerebral palsy is a
- 7:18Speaker 7: condition in which there is essentially brain damage in the
- 7:21Speaker 7: individual does not function as well as as a normal
- 7:26Speaker 7: individual would. These people can have any level of consciousness,
- 7:29Speaker 7: any level of disability. But she is a quadriplegic. And
- 7:33Speaker 7: then she also has vision abdermellies, so she's minimally has
- 7:37Speaker 7: minimal vision, has minimal ability to speak, and cannot move.
- 7:42Speaker 7: So she's the perfect victim in these type of nursing
- 7:44Speaker 7: home or care home deaths in which the individual gets
- 7:48Speaker 7: frustrated or tired of caring for them and then takes
- 7:51Speaker 7: out their frustrations on the individual who can't speak or
- 7:54Speaker 7: even see.
- 7:55Speaker 2: How do you get cerebral palsy?
- 7:58Speaker 7: Cerebral palsy can be actually caused in the birthing process
- 8:02Speaker 7: or in utero or when you're in the womb. There
- 8:06Speaker 7: can be a lack of oxygen getting to the brain,
- 8:08Speaker 7: or it can be actually a congenital developmental defect. So
- 8:12Speaker 7: it can also occur as the birthing procedure has happen,
- 8:16Speaker 7: occurring where the procedure takes too long, or there is
- 8:21Speaker 7: an oxya or a lack of oxygen getting to the
- 8:23Speaker 7: child as they're trying to get it out of the
- 8:24Speaker 7: birth canal. And there is also a feeling that it
- 8:27Speaker 7: can occur after the birth, where there can be injuries
- 8:30Speaker 7: associated with the birthing process.
- 8:32Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know really exactly what you just said,
- 8:34Speaker 2: but I did manage to call out reduced oxygen to
- 8:38Speaker 2: the brain causes cerebral palsy. Be it in utero, during
- 8:42Speaker 2: birth or after birth?
- 8:44Speaker 7: Correct, and it can also be associated with congenital abnormalities
- 8:48Speaker 7: or birth defects.
- 8:50Speaker 2: Okay, translation born that way, got it? Okay. Does serebral
- 8:55Speaker 2: palsy cause compaired vision?
- 8:59Speaker 7: It can be one of the things that can be
- 9:01Speaker 7: associated with it. Impaired vision can also be associated with
- 9:05Speaker 7: other injuries and also can be a birth defect.
- 9:07Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if lack of oxygen to the brain
- 9:09Speaker 2: also causes vision impairment. Does it?
- 9:12Speaker 8: It can?
- 9:12Speaker 2: Okay? Okay. The next thing, this ting girl is a quadriplegic.
- 9:18Speaker 7: Explain so because of the brain injury that she may
- 9:22Speaker 7: have had occurred from lack of oxygen to the brain
- 9:25Speaker 7: or a birth defect. Cerebral palsy the brain doesn't function right,
- 9:30Speaker 7: and it causes the limbs or the muscles to not
- 9:33Speaker 7: be coordinated or to function properly. In her case, it
- 9:38Speaker 7: caused quadriplegia, which means all four of her limbs are
- 9:42Speaker 7: not functioning, so essentially she's immobile.
- 9:45Speaker 2: You know why I'm asking this, Chief gur Key, because
- 9:52Speaker 2: listeners and potentially a jury needs to understand. As painful
- 9:57Speaker 2: as it is to hear it, all I could say
- 10:00Speaker 2: think about just then, while doctor Kimball Crown's was describing
- 10:04Speaker 2: how the lack of oxygen to this little girl's brain
- 10:08Speaker 2: caused her to have cerebral palsy. It caused her to
- 10:11Speaker 2: have minimal vision. She has four limbs, but they don't work.
- 10:16Speaker 2: All I could think about is my son running free
- 10:21Speaker 2: on the soccer field, or my daughter doing her walk,
- 10:26Speaker 2: her hour and a half walk every day, which walks
- 10:28Speaker 2: so fast I can hardly keep up with her her legs.
- 10:31Speaker 2: For so long, this girl has never been able to move,
- 10:38Speaker 2: to see, to speak. I don't know what she understands,
- 10:44Speaker 2: if she can really hear what people are saying, and
- 10:47Speaker 2: if she can hear them, does she understand what they're saying?
- 10:51Speaker 2: When her mother speaks to her, that's who the victim is.
- 10:56Speaker 2: And of all the people in the world, Okay, I'm
- 11:00Speaker 2: sure you like me, have had many drug lords gonned down.
- 11:04Speaker 2: I'm like, boohoo, this girl is so defenseless, so innocent,
- 11:14Speaker 2: and yet she was, in my mind, ag assaulted. This
- 11:21Speaker 2: little teen girl, can't see, can't move any limbs, nothing,
- 11:29Speaker 2: and she was tortured. I mean, it makes me want
- 11:34Speaker 2: to bring back the death penalty for ag assaults. Chief.
- 11:38Speaker 4: So let me tell you this is you know, to
- 11:40Speaker 4: put this in a better perspective, and I will tell
- 11:42Speaker 4: you when I saw some of the pictures, it broke
- 11:43Speaker 4: my heart because as law enforcement, it's very difficult for
- 11:46Speaker 4: us to really engage and really understand everything. Let me
- 11:50Speaker 4: tell you some of the things that we did see
- 11:51Speaker 4: in the video itself. You know, her eyes were taped shut,
- 11:55Speaker 4: aggressively shaking her head and with the respiratory equipment, she
- 11:58Speaker 4: had a bipath machine shaking her head around, which caused
- 12:01Speaker 4: scratches and potential nosebleeds, holding a washcloth over her mouth
- 12:07Speaker 4: for a prolonged period of time that appeared to obstructed
- 12:10Speaker 4: her airway. You can see her moving around, so obviously
- 12:13Speaker 4: the video is not releasable yet it's an active criminal case.
- 12:15Speaker 8: But some of these things of what really breaks.
- 12:17Speaker 4: My heart that there are horrible monsters in the world
- 12:21Speaker 4: like that that are out there. And I'll be honest
- 12:22Speaker 4: with you, people like that have a special place in Hell.
- 12:25Speaker 2: To be honest with you, do we have to wait
- 12:27Speaker 2: for her to die and go to Hell and let
- 12:29Speaker 2: Lucifer deal with her. Can't we do a little something now, cheaf,
- 12:34Speaker 2: You said that she used a bipat machine, Doctor Kiddle
- 12:37Speaker 2: Crown's what is that?
- 12:38Speaker 7: Bipat machine is basically an oxygen machine that usually goes
- 12:42Speaker 7: over the nose and it helps force oxygen in and
- 12:45Speaker 7: it aids in sleep apnea by keeping the airways open. Also,
- 12:49Speaker 7: if she's putting a washcloth over her face, if that
- 12:52Speaker 7: washcloths is wet, that would be similar to waterboarding techniques,
- 12:55Speaker 7: where they're essentially making them breathe in water, almost like drowning.
- 12:59Speaker 2: You know one of the videos in Chief, I have
- 13:03Speaker 2: never liked crime scene photos, but I know I have
- 13:08Speaker 2: to look at them to look for elements of proof,
- 13:11Speaker 2: to see what I can argue to a jury based
- 13:14Speaker 2: on little details I might see in those photos. And
- 13:17Speaker 2: you mentioned that the purp. According to the video, she
- 13:22Speaker 2: is innocent until proven guilty. Of course, that goes without saying.
- 13:26Speaker 2: At one point when she the healthcare worker, a young female,
- 13:31Speaker 2: I mean, she looks like somebody i'd see when I
- 13:33Speaker 2: go pick my daughter up from getting her nails done,
- 13:35Speaker 2: was sitting in the next chair. The victim has her
- 13:40Speaker 2: face and mouth covered and you can see her chest heaving,
- 13:46Speaker 2: trying to breathe through that wet cloth. I mean, how
- 13:52Speaker 2: could she? Did you see that video?
- 13:55Speaker 1: Chief?
- 13:55Speaker 8: I did it.
- 13:56Speaker 4: It's very difficult to watch. Even as a paramedic, it's
- 13:59Speaker 4: very difficult to watch. It's I don't necessarily see any
- 14:02Speaker 4: medical justification for it. It's clearly that it appeared to
- 14:05Speaker 4: be punitive in nature. But uh, you know, we're gonna
- 14:08Speaker 4: let the jury decide on that.
- 14:09Speaker 2: One punitive hold on taithe punitive, Well, okay, Punitive in
- 14:15Speaker 2: my world means you're being punished for something that you
- 14:19Speaker 2: did wrong, like punitive damage or an over punitive sentence.
- 14:25Speaker 2: So what did the little girl, the teen girl in
- 14:29Speaker 2: a vegetative state do wrong that she deserves punishment? I
- 14:35Speaker 2: can't wait to hear this.
- 14:37Speaker 4: I have zero answers for that because I watched this
- 14:39Speaker 4: poor girl lay helplessly in her bed while this person
- 14:44Speaker 4: abused her. There is no justification. It's morally reprehensible for
- 14:49Speaker 4: what she did.
- 14:52Speaker 3: She was supposed to be a lifeline instead. Nurse Nia
- 14:55Speaker 3: Ayres is accused of tormenting the disabled teen, ripping tape
- 14:59Speaker 3: off her feet, suffocating her with the washcloth, and shaking
- 15:03Speaker 3: her breathing machine.
- 15:05Speaker 2: Oh my stars, she's actually smiling. The alleged purp is smiling.
- 15:14Speaker 2: Oh uh uh uh. Look look look how well you
- 15:18Speaker 2: know what a twenty to life sentence? Well white that
- 15:22Speaker 2: smile right off her face. I'm guessing I want you
- 15:27Speaker 2: to hear how the whole horrific scenario first was uncovered.
- 15:33Speaker 6: Listen checking on her disabled daughter Saturday morning, the mother
- 15:37Speaker 6: notices red scratches around her daughter's mouth and I lid.
- 15:40Speaker 6: The scratches were not present in the previous evening, and
- 15:42Speaker 6: as a quadriplegic, it's impossible for her daughter to scratch
- 15:45Speaker 6: herself in such a way. So she reviews surveillance camera
- 15:48Speaker 6: footage from the previous night, and what she sees shocks
- 15:52Speaker 6: her to her core and has her calling police immediately.
- 15:55Speaker 2: Yes, of course, right there joining me is Ben Powers
- 16:00Speaker 2: now on Criminal Defense Attorney. You can find them on
- 16:02Speaker 2: Facebook at Legal Powers also legalpowers dot com. Ben, thank
- 16:08Speaker 2: you for being with us. Ben see those subtle clues.
- 16:12Speaker 2: Mom comes in and she sees a scratch on her
- 16:15Speaker 2: daughter's face, and she knows, right then something is wrong.
- 16:21Speaker 2: There are subtle clues that if you are attuned to
- 16:25Speaker 2: the person, you spot them immediately. Now, somebody like you
- 16:30Speaker 2: might be able to argue to a jury a scratch
- 16:32Speaker 2: that means nothing, That means nothing about my client, but
- 16:38Speaker 2: to a jury it could mean everything.
- 16:40Speaker 9: Being Powers, yeah, I think the scratch is the least
- 16:43Speaker 9: of her defense team's words. I mean, there's a video
- 16:46Speaker 9: that lays out some pretty egregious behavior. Most concerning if
- 16:51Speaker 9: I'm defending her is you know, I guess to back up,
- 16:55Speaker 9: we need to put out that is nonverbal. This case
- 16:58Speaker 9: is all about what is on the video.
- 17:00Speaker 2: Well, Binpowers, You're absolutely right. The scratches on her daughter's face, mild,
- 17:06Speaker 2: though they may be, are the least of this healthcare
- 17:10Speaker 2: workers problems. But because of those scratches, and because the
- 17:14Speaker 2: mom is vigilant, it led mom to check the video.
- 17:18Speaker 2: What's on the video?
- 17:19Speaker 6: Listen watching the surveillance video, the officer notes timed where
- 17:23Speaker 6: Nia Airs is aggressive and abusive with the eighteen year
- 17:26Speaker 6: old victim. At eleven to fifty eight pm, Airs is
- 17:29Speaker 6: seen placing tape on the mouth of the victim, then
- 17:32Speaker 6: very aggressively holding a washcloth tight to the mouth of
- 17:35Speaker 6: a victim. Airs is then seen ripping the tape off
- 17:38Speaker 6: the mouth of the victim. The victim's mother tells police
- 17:41Speaker 6: at no time is its standard procedure to tape the mouth.
- 17:44Speaker 6: The only time tape is used is to tape eyelid
- 17:46Speaker 6: shut while the victim sleeps.
- 17:48Speaker 2: Tape the mouth. She's okay, Chief Douglas Gurkey joining me,
- 17:54Speaker 2: the chief of police at Saint Cloud there in Florida.
- 17:58Speaker 2: Chief whoa okay? So the teen girl is already wearing
- 18:02Speaker 2: a breathing apparatus, but this healthcare worker, based on the
- 18:07Speaker 2: video that you have seen, taped her mouth. And of
- 18:10Speaker 2: course she's innocent until proven guilty. But the video is
- 18:15Speaker 2: what it is. So even with a breathing apparatus on,
- 18:19Speaker 2: the victim's mouth was taped shut. Explain how that worked.
- 18:23Speaker 4: So again, that would be a procedure that they would
- 18:26Speaker 4: I'm not sure why they would be taping the mouth specifically.
- 18:29Speaker 4: I do understand that tape on the eyelids could go
- 18:32Speaker 4: on to help them, to assist them to sleep. But
- 18:34Speaker 4: what we also saw in that video was her aggressively
- 18:36Speaker 4: tearing the tape back off backwards. I did tear it off,
- 18:40Speaker 4: she puts it on and rips it off again. That's
- 18:42Speaker 4: really what we were seeing. That didn't make any sense
- 18:44Speaker 4: at all. The BiPAP machine was put on, so it
- 18:48Speaker 4: wasn't on all the time. Then she put it on,
- 18:50Speaker 4: but she's forcefully shaking her head around, she's getting visibly upset,
- 18:55Speaker 4: she's throwing things. So there's a lot more that just
- 18:58Speaker 4: shows that she is completely my opinion, it appears she's
- 19:01Speaker 4: enraged while this is all occurring, all the while.
- 19:05Speaker 8: That this person is helpless.
- 19:06Speaker 4: She's not moving, she's getting spun around, her head's getting
- 19:10Speaker 4: moved around, forcefully, putting tape on, ripping it off. And
- 19:14Speaker 4: I'll tell you what's concerning the most was that washcloth incident,
- 19:18Speaker 4: holding it over her mouth and pushing down forcefully while
- 19:21Speaker 4: you see her writhing around trying to move her body
- 19:24Speaker 4: back and forth, almost as if she realized she is
- 19:27Speaker 4: unable to breathe or she's having a difficult time breathing,
- 19:30Speaker 4: so it's unjustifiable number one. But I have no idea
- 19:33Speaker 4: what's in her mind why she did something like that.
- 19:36Speaker 2: Boy, I do I need a shrink. And luckily, doctor
- 19:39Speaker 2: Jeff Kloshewski is joining us. Forensic psychologist, author of Dark Sides,
- 19:44Speaker 2: and on YouTube he is a star of Dr Jeff
- 19:47Speaker 2: Kalishwski forensic psychologist. Doctor Jeff, thank you for being with us. Okay,
- 19:53Speaker 2: I keep hearing about the healthcare work or translation felony defendant,
- 19:59Speaker 2: and you know, very often you see a wolf in
- 20:02Speaker 2: sheep's clothing. This girl looks like she should, you know,
- 20:06Speaker 2: be bopping by you at the mall or the nail salon.
- 20:10Speaker 2: She looks like she's about seventeen years old. Long story short.
- 20:15Speaker 2: We keep hearing doctor Jeff that she looked enraged, angry
- 20:21Speaker 2: at the victim over what the victim can't see, can't move,
- 20:26Speaker 2: can't talk, can't understand what's happening around her, angry at what.
- 20:30Speaker 10: Doctor Jeff, Well, it's interesting because you know, I've had
- 20:35Speaker 10: a number of these cases over the years.
- 20:37Speaker 8: Unfortunately, and it.
- 20:39Speaker 10: Was mentioned earlier, sometimes these cases unfold when the caretaker
- 20:44Speaker 10: is stressed out and sort of loses it for a minute.
- 20:48Speaker 10: But when we talk about sort of systematically wait.
- 20:55Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff, wait wait wait, okay, sorry, I need to
- 21:00Speaker 2: ask you a question.
- 21:02Speaker 8: Yeah.
- 21:03Speaker 2: I still don't get angry or burned out or raiseel
- 21:07Speaker 2: about what I mean. The victim can't speak, move, or
- 21:10Speaker 2: hear what the victim do, right.
- 21:12Speaker 10: Because sometimes in these cases that I've had, the healthcare
- 21:16Speaker 10: provider becomes frustrated because the person's not compliant or confused.
- 21:21Speaker 8: This is different.
- 21:23Speaker 10: This is when we're talking about sort of systematic torture,
- 21:28Speaker 10: you know, holding the washcloth over and watching the victim suffer.
- 21:34Speaker 10: Now we're moving into these are sort of sadistic acts.
- 21:40Speaker 10: And this is beyond a healthcare worker having a bad moment.
- 21:46Speaker 10: This is a person who it sounds like, is getting
- 21:48Speaker 10: some type of pleasure and causing pain or emotional distress
- 21:54Speaker 10: in the victim. And that's a whole different ballgame compared
- 21:57Speaker 10: to some of these other cases where there's abuse that
- 21:59Speaker 10: are of a vulnerable adult.
- 22:02Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kalshewski, you mentioned a word that is in
- 22:05Speaker 2: everyone's common parlance, our vocabulary. You said sadistic, but it
- 22:11Speaker 2: is actually a psychological or psychiatric term used in your profession.
- 22:16Speaker 2: What exactly is sadism in.
- 22:20Speaker 10: General terms, sadism or sadistic that really talks about a
- 22:24Speaker 10: person who gets pleasure from causing either emotional, psychological, or
- 22:31Speaker 10: physical pain on another person.
- 22:33Speaker 5: After watching Airs rip the tape off the mouth that
- 22:35Speaker 5: the victim, Airs adjusted the victim's body on the bed
- 22:38Speaker 5: not by sliding her arm underneath and slowly moving the team,
- 22:42Speaker 5: but by yanking the victim's left arm aggressively. After yanking
- 22:46Speaker 5: and pulling the team into position, Nurse Airs aggressively suctions
- 22:49Speaker 5: the victim's airway before holding a white washcloth up to
- 22:52Speaker 5: the victim's mouth and holding it firmly in place for
- 22:55Speaker 5: several seconds, appearing to hinder the breathing of the victim.
- 22:58Speaker 5: While holding the victim's mouth closed, it appears the victim
- 23:01Speaker 5: is attempting to move her head in a way that
- 23:03Speaker 5: depicted she was uncomfortable and unable to breathe.
- 23:11Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
- 23:16Speaker 3: Mother reviews home security footage and is horrified by what
- 23:19Speaker 3: her daughter's nurse is caught doing. An eighteen year old
- 23:22Speaker 3: nonverbal quadriplegic patient completely dependent, left bruised, bleeding and gasping
- 23:27Speaker 3: for air, who.
- 23:29Speaker 2: Is this woman I know about the victim. She's a quadriplegic.
- 23:36Speaker 2: She has minimal vision. If she can hear, I don't
- 23:40Speaker 2: know if she can understand what her mother and others
- 23:43Speaker 2: are saying to her, what that means to her. She
- 23:47Speaker 2: can't move, she can't speak. They put tape on her
- 23:52Speaker 2: eyes at night for her to sleep. These videos are
- 23:57Speaker 2: hell on Earth. To Dave Mack joining me, I want
- 24:02Speaker 2: to talk about Nia Iyres, age twenty four, working for
- 24:08Speaker 2: two different health care companies. Okay, I bet that, says
- 24:12Speaker 2: Chief Douglas A. Gurkey on Wild Goose Chase, Because now
- 24:15Speaker 2: he's got to go to these healthcare companies. He's got
- 24:18Speaker 2: to find out everywhere else she works and review all
- 24:21Speaker 2: the video from them, find out if anything unusual has happened,
- 24:24Speaker 2: and so forth and so on. Because I'm telling you,
- 24:27Speaker 2: Dave Mack, this ain't her first time at the rodeo.
- 24:32Speaker 2: You don't go from pre K to your doctoral degree. No, no, no,
- 24:39Speaker 2: uh uh. What do we know about Nia Iyers?
- 24:43Speaker 6: She is a licensed practical nurse, got it in got
- 24:46Speaker 6: her you know it's an LPN. She got that in
- 24:49Speaker 6: twenty twenty one and in the you know her career.
- 24:53Speaker 6: It's granted it's not that long, but Nick, twenty four
- 24:56Speaker 6: year old woman with a three year career so far
- 24:58Speaker 6: four years, no complaint. There has not been one call
- 25:03Speaker 6: about anything negative about her. She has good reviews from
- 25:06Speaker 6: her patients and family. So this is a shock, Nancy.
- 25:10Speaker 6: But you know, as you can see on the pictures
- 25:12Speaker 6: that we have, this is a young woman who has
- 25:14Speaker 6: a lot going on, working with two different agencies as
- 25:17Speaker 6: a contractor. And you know, this is a specialty to
- 25:20Speaker 6: care for people who cannot care for themselves. They do
- 25:24Speaker 6: require a different type of handling. So you would expect
- 25:28Speaker 6: a whole lot more from a woman who has chosen
- 25:31Speaker 6: that profession. But that's not what this family got at all.
- 25:35Speaker 6: They got a nurse with horns man.
- 25:38Speaker 2: To become an LPN and correct me if I'm wrong,
- 25:40Speaker 2: Chief or doctor Kendall Crowns or doctor Jeff Kelshwski, you
- 25:44Speaker 2: know more about the nursing profession than I do, except
- 25:47Speaker 2: for the nurses that saved my children's life. To become
- 25:50Speaker 2: an LPN, you have to complete an accredited practical nursing
- 25:55Speaker 2: program and it usually takes at least two years eighteen
- 26:00Speaker 2: US to two years to do that. You've got to
- 26:02Speaker 2: have high school diploma, you've got to get into the program,
- 26:05Speaker 2: you have to complete the approximately two year program, you've
- 26:09Speaker 2: got to be licensed by the state, and you have
- 26:12Speaker 2: to pass an exam. For me, it would be the
- 26:14Speaker 2: bar exam. So I know she's got at least two
- 26:19Speaker 2: years of college education to get that LPN. Chief, what
- 26:23Speaker 2: do you know about her education? I mean, certainly she
- 26:26Speaker 2: knows better.
- 26:27Speaker 4: Of course, there's certification classes that she has to go through,
- 26:30Speaker 4: and like you said, it's an accredited system to get
- 26:33Speaker 4: the licensed practical nurse done.
- 26:35Speaker 8: And it's similar to a paramedic program.
- 26:37Speaker 4: A paramedic program here goes through college level education classes
- 26:41Speaker 4: and then you have to take a professional exam to
- 26:43Speaker 4: get certified, and then there's continuing medical education you have
- 26:46Speaker 4: to do in.
- 26:46Speaker 8: The state of Florida.
- 26:47Speaker 4: So similar to my paramedic exam, I have to continue
- 26:50Speaker 4: to do medical education in order to renew my license
- 26:54Speaker 4: every two years. So this is a person who should
- 26:57Speaker 4: be up to speed on everything. They're up to date
- 26:59Speaker 4: on CPR, They're up to date on all their training
- 27:02Speaker 4: and everything they're supposed to be doing to be a
- 27:04Speaker 4: licensed practical nurse. And then again they have to do
- 27:07Speaker 4: continuing education to ensure that they keep that license current.
- 27:11Speaker 4: And again, she was working for two different companies at
- 27:13Speaker 4: the time of this event, so she's obviously she was
- 27:16Speaker 4: certified to be doing the work. I don't necessarily think
- 27:19Speaker 4: that half the things she was doing qualifies under the
- 27:22Speaker 4: LPN curriculum and as part of her job duties.
- 27:25Speaker 2: What more do we know about what happened to the
- 27:28Speaker 2: teen girl victim? Listen.
- 27:30Speaker 6: Particularly disturbing sequence caught on camera shows Airs forcefully placing
- 27:35Speaker 6: what appears to be a washcloth over the mouth of
- 27:37Speaker 6: the victim and forcefully wiping it. Airs holds the washcloth
- 27:41Speaker 6: in place for approximately ten seconds as the victim becomes
- 27:44Speaker 6: visibly distressed, exhibiting physical resistance by tensing her body and
- 27:48Speaker 6: attempting to move her head away. The officer notes these
- 27:51Speaker 6: reactions suggest the victim was struggling to breathe and experiencing pans,
- 27:55Speaker 6: and there is.
- 27:56Speaker 2: One particular moment in the footage. I'm sure the chief
- 28:00Speaker 2: has seen it. Listen.
- 28:02Speaker 6: At one point during the hours of camera footage, nurse
- 28:05Speaker 6: Nia Ayers places a white washcloth over the victim's mouth
- 28:08Speaker 6: and then violently shakes the victim's head airs, then places
- 28:12Speaker 6: tape over the victim's mouth again, and then throws the
- 28:15Speaker 6: roll of tape across the room towards the wall and
- 28:17Speaker 6: what can only be called an aggressive manner.
- 28:20Speaker 5: The eighteen year old girl is on a BiPAP machine
- 28:23Speaker 5: and ayers is caught on camera as she walks around
- 28:25Speaker 5: the victim's bed and physically forcefully adjusts the victim's breathing device,
- 28:30Speaker 5: then violently shakes the victim's head and says a profanity
- 28:33Speaker 5: d statement heard on the surveillance camera.
- 28:35Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Chief, you didn't tell me you had
- 28:38Speaker 2: audio two. That's awesome. Okay, wait a minute, So when
- 28:41Speaker 2: you were saying she was shaking her head violently, you're
- 28:46Speaker 2: saying the video depicts the defendant shaking the victim's head
- 28:52Speaker 2: violently with her hands.
- 28:54Speaker 4: Yes, that's correct, she's manipulating her head in a violent manner.
- 28:58Speaker 4: When it appears she's trying to adjust the BiPAP machine
- 29:02Speaker 4: and she's obviously she's saying, she's yelling expellatives, and then
- 29:05Speaker 4: it appears she throws tape and just almost in a
- 29:09Speaker 4: fit of Reachay wait a minute.
- 29:10Speaker 2: So Ben Powers, criminal defense attorney, Oh man, you know,
- 29:16Speaker 2: way back when when you and I first started trying cases,
- 29:20Speaker 2: we would never have a video, and the defense, like
- 29:24Speaker 2: you would say, we don't know what really happened. We
- 29:26Speaker 2: don't have a video. You're gonna believe the state's witness. Well,
- 29:30Speaker 2: guess what, Gurky has a video and not just video,
- 29:35Speaker 2: ben Powers, What do you do as a defense attorney?
- 29:39Speaker 2: Do you just shrink down just a tiny bit in
- 29:41Speaker 2: your seat front the jury when they start rolling that
- 29:45Speaker 2: beautiful footage for the jury and you see everything that's
- 29:50Speaker 2: described in opening statements is actually true?
- 29:55Speaker 1: What do you do?
- 29:56Speaker 2: Just take notes like oj Simpson didn't pretend it's not happening.
- 30:00Speaker 9: So when it comes to a case like this, I
- 30:01Speaker 9: think a big limitation is the prosecuting victim isn't able
- 30:06Speaker 9: to say whether they were in pain, what they were thinking,
- 30:09Speaker 9: whether they couldn't breathe, And so it's going to bring
- 30:11Speaker 9: us back to what the video has. And as it
- 30:13Speaker 9: turns out, the video has audio, and so if it's
- 30:16Speaker 9: not on video and if we can't hear it, then
- 30:18Speaker 9: it didn't happen. And so unless they have some other
- 30:21Speaker 9: medicals to support what they're claiming, it's all going to
- 30:24Speaker 9: come down to the video and audio, and if there's
- 30:26Speaker 9: multiple interpretations, then there's multiple views, not just the state's view.
- 30:30Speaker 2: I don't like you very much right now at all,
- 30:33Speaker 2: because what you said is actually true. In some cases,
- 30:38Speaker 2: I think it can be argued that what you're seeing
- 30:41Speaker 2: is actually actually subjective. In other words, should I believe
- 30:47Speaker 2: you or my lying eyes? Is there some other way
- 30:51Speaker 2: to explain away what's happening? But to doctor Jeff Kloshewski,
- 30:56Speaker 2: joining US forensics psychologist, the curse, the cursing. I don't
- 31:02Speaker 2: know exactly what it is, something along the lines of
- 31:05Speaker 2: if you b goes straight to h el I hate you.
- 31:10Speaker 2: I can only imagine. But when you have the audio
- 31:14Speaker 2: profanity leveled at this girl, a teen girl in a
- 31:18Speaker 2: vegetative state, a vegetative state, and she's cursing her out
- 31:24Speaker 2: to me, that gives the meaning to her actions. Because
- 31:31Speaker 2: now I understand that Gurky has audio as well as video.
- 31:37Speaker 2: It explains what may have been implicent would have to
- 31:41Speaker 2: figure out what she was thinking when she did this
- 31:44Speaker 2: to the girl. But now we know because we can
- 31:47Speaker 2: hear her cursing the little girl out right.
- 31:50Speaker 10: And when we're talking about the victim really not physically
- 31:55Speaker 10: being able to do anything that would cause someone to
- 31:59Speaker 10: be enrage to abuse the person. From a punishment perspective,
- 32:05Speaker 10: what we're really talking about here is using these acquisitives
- 32:08Speaker 10: and yelling in the victim's face to try to impose
- 32:14Speaker 10: some emotional turmoil. So this idea that the perpetrator must
- 32:20Speaker 10: have been enraged and having an angry overse this is
- 32:24Speaker 10: beyond this.
- 32:25Speaker 8: This is she's likely.
- 32:27Speaker 2: Using emotional turmoil. She's cursing a vegetative state teen girl
- 32:36Speaker 2: quasiplegic and causing emotional turmoil more.
- 32:40Speaker 10: Than emotional turmoil, right, I think is.
- 32:42Speaker 2: So much there than emotional turmoil.
- 32:45Speaker 8: The idea that you know, I had.
- 32:47Speaker 2: Emotional turmoil this morning when I had to I an
- 32:50Speaker 2: not one, but two of my daughter's skirt uniform uniform
- 32:54Speaker 2: skirts before she walks out the door at seven point fifteen. Surprise,
- 32:59Speaker 2: none of the skirts. We're right, it had to be
- 33:01Speaker 2: not this one that I ironed, but the second one
- 33:03Speaker 2: I ironed. Okay, sign that's turmoil. But this little girl
- 33:08Speaker 2: is having her mouth tape. She's basically waterboard with a
- 33:11Speaker 2: wet cloth. She can't breeze, you can't move, she can't speak,
- 33:14Speaker 2: and now she's getting cursed out.
- 33:15Speaker 10: Yeah, emotional terror, right, I mean combine at all And
- 33:19Speaker 10: the audio is another gives more evidence of this person
- 33:24Speaker 10: sadistically trying to cause harm.
- 33:27Speaker 6: The camera provide the timestamp for events, documenting the time
- 33:31Speaker 6: incidents take place. At twelve twenty three am, Airs wipes
- 33:34Speaker 6: a nosebleed as a result of tape having been placed
- 33:37Speaker 6: over the victim's mouth. At twelve twenty six am, Airs
- 33:40Speaker 6: applies more tape to the victim's mouth. At twelve twenty
- 33:43Speaker 6: eight am, Airs is scene forcefully ripping the tape from
- 33:46Speaker 6: the victim's mouth. The camera timestamps more abuse at three
- 33:50Speaker 6: twenty one am, when shakes the victim's head and aggressively
- 33:54Speaker 6: rubs her face.
- 33:55Speaker 2: With a towel.
- 33:56Speaker 6: At three twenty three am, Airs continues to shake the victim.
- 34:00Speaker 6: At five oh seven am, Airs is scene pinching the
- 34:03Speaker 6: area around the victim's mouth.
- 34:05Speaker 2: Patience maimed sometimes killed by health care pros. That is
- 34:13Speaker 2: Dad Dominic HACKEI speaking to me. He had twin baby boys, beautiful,
- 34:20Speaker 2: but Noah's legs were fractured. How did that happen? And
- 34:25Speaker 2: now he finds out Listen.
- 34:27Speaker 11: They initially told us that it could have been done
- 34:30Speaker 11: from an injection that was given maybe too rough or
- 34:34Speaker 11: too hard. So they were going to implement some trainings
- 34:38Speaker 11: so that the nurses could be able to give injections correctly.
- 34:42Speaker 11: And that's kind of the only explanation that was given.
- 34:46Speaker 11: And I want to make it perfectly clear. Bone density,
- 34:50Speaker 11: vitamin deficiency, brittle bone syndrome was never ever brought up
- 34:54Speaker 11: in our case. It was never questioned, it was never
- 34:58Speaker 11: it was never a fact.
- 35:01Speaker 2: For us. Yeah, that wasn't natural. The nurse did it
- 35:06Speaker 2: to Chief Gurky joining us from Saint Cloud PDE. In
- 35:10Speaker 2: that case, and I've got a whole stack of similar
- 35:12Speaker 2: cases here. The nurse was fracturing newborn infants bodies, not
- 35:20Speaker 2: just fracturing, breaking breaking, like breaking their bones, and she
- 35:28Speaker 2: was caught on video and at first nobody knew what
- 35:31Speaker 2: had happened. Then they started looking at the video and
- 35:35Speaker 2: then they found out. And it wasn't just Twin Noah.
- 35:38Speaker 2: There were many many other babies, newborns that had their
- 35:43Speaker 2: bones as they're laying there. Can you imagine the pain
- 35:46Speaker 2: a brand new baby just gets born in this world
- 35:50Speaker 2: and somebody breaks their leg, breaks their legs, snaps it
- 35:55Speaker 2: in two. I mean if you can see a monitor.
- 35:59Speaker 2: I want you to look at the X right of
- 36:01Speaker 2: Noah's leg It just and what's so upsetting about it
- 36:06Speaker 2: is the helpless nature of the victims, like in the
- 36:09Speaker 2: case you have right now.
- 36:11Speaker 8: It's shocking.
- 36:13Speaker 4: You know, again, Nancy, I told you, I mean, twenty
- 36:15Speaker 4: five years in law enforcement, I've seen some horrific things.
- 36:19Speaker 4: People that are supposed to do no harm to people,
- 36:21Speaker 4: and they go out and do this all the time.
- 36:24Speaker 8: I will tell you there is you know, we.
- 36:26Speaker 4: Have a very very no nonsense policy when it comes
- 36:30Speaker 4: to harming people in our society, and I'll be honest
- 36:32Speaker 4: with you, the most vulnerable, including our poor eighteen year
- 36:35Speaker 4: old victim and these newborns. You know, there's I said
- 36:39Speaker 4: it before, there's a special place in hell for people
- 36:41Speaker 4: like that, and our job is to actually bring them
- 36:43Speaker 4: to justice and ensure they never harm another person again.
- 36:46Speaker 4: There's always a common denominator in these things. When you
- 36:48Speaker 4: start to see multiple infants in the cases you're describing,
- 36:52Speaker 4: there's always somebody that's working around the same time, and
- 36:54Speaker 4: you can never explain these fractures. That's really how you
- 36:57Speaker 4: do these things, and that's how you start looking you know,
- 37:00Speaker 4: the poor mother of our victim. She's not sleeping at night.
- 37:05Speaker 4: I mean, it bothers her so much that she thought
- 37:07Speaker 4: she was doing the right thing by bringing in caregivers
- 37:10Speaker 4: to get her daughter the best possible help that she
- 37:13Speaker 4: could have all night long, and now she's devastated. I
- 37:17Speaker 4: met with her again. I met with her last night.
- 37:20Speaker 4: You know, we cried. I gave her a hug.
- 37:22Speaker 8: She's doing the right thing now.
- 37:23Speaker 4: But it's horrible thinking that these cameras were in existence,
- 37:26Speaker 4: but she had no knowledge that it was occurring. So
- 37:28Speaker 4: now she is going back with us and we're looking
- 37:31Speaker 4: at all these incidents for potentially more charges or potentially
- 37:35Speaker 4: more violence that was happening under her roof while she
- 37:38Speaker 4: was in the next room.
- 37:40Speaker 8: It's heartbreaking.
- 37:41Speaker 2: That's to think you're in the very next room while
- 37:45Speaker 2: your daughter is being tortured by this Well, I gave
- 37:51Speaker 2: up cursing when I had the twins, or try to
- 37:53Speaker 2: doctor Jeff Kelschewsky joining us are now forensic psychologist. You
- 37:59Speaker 2: told me what say it is was, and you explained
- 38:01Speaker 2: it the actual psychological or psychiatric definition. But when you
- 38:06Speaker 2: add the factor that the person the praise on someone
- 38:12Speaker 2: so helpless, that's got to be another facet to sadism.
- 38:19Speaker 8: Well for sure.
- 38:20Speaker 10: I mean with sadism, sometimes people do it for the control.
- 38:24Speaker 10: They get someone who's not under control and they have
- 38:26Speaker 10: control over them. That's not occurring in this case. So
- 38:30Speaker 10: this particular sort of sadistic behavior and maneuver, to me,
- 38:35Speaker 10: is even more disturbing because the aim of it is
- 38:39Speaker 10: not necessarily to get control of the victim.
- 38:41Speaker 8: The victim was already under control.
- 38:44Speaker 10: But the actual sort of pleasure that this person gets
- 38:49Speaker 10: out of inflicting pain on this helpless victim, you know,
- 38:53Speaker 10: makes it more concerning from a forensic perspective about this
- 38:56Speaker 10: person's dangerousness, and particularly if they don't go to prison
- 39:03Speaker 10: or when they get out of prison, this kind of
- 39:06Speaker 10: thing doesn't necessarily go away, and I'd be very concerned
- 39:09Speaker 10: if this perpetrator had access to victims.
- 39:12Speaker 5: Again, the victim's mother provides police officers with four pictures
- 39:16Speaker 5: of the injuries the victim had to her face and eyelid.
- 39:19Speaker 5: The officer observed red marks and scratches around the mouth
- 39:22Speaker 5: that the victim and red marks on her eyelid where
- 39:24Speaker 5: it appears skin had ripped off from the tape.
- 39:33Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, hired.
- 39:39Speaker 3: To care for a vulnerable team, now charged with aggravated abuse.
- 39:43Speaker 3: The Heirs charged herself in, but not before disturbing footage surface.
- 39:48Speaker 8: Their mother demanded justice.
- 39:51Speaker 2: I want you to listen to the audio that goes
- 39:54Speaker 2: with the video we just showed you. We're twenty four
- 39:57Speaker 2: year old Nia Ayers is to what she's being charged with,
- 40:03Speaker 2: being charged.
- 40:04Speaker 8: With aggravated.
- 40:07Speaker 3: Disabled person's abuse of a disabled adults.
- 40:10Speaker 2: Okay, did you hear what she said at the very
- 40:13Speaker 2: in uh huh uh huh. She's just told chief that
- 40:18Speaker 2: she's being charged with aggravated kind of got glory right there,
- 40:22Speaker 2: but I think it's going to be aggravated assault on
- 40:24Speaker 2: a disabled person or aggravated abuse of a disabled person.
- 40:29Speaker 2: What is she actually charged with at this juncture? Chief?
- 40:34Speaker 8: So that's what it is. It's aggravated abuse of a
- 40:36Speaker 8: disabled adult.
- 40:38Speaker 4: And the Florida statute is eight twenty five point one
- 40:41Speaker 4: oh two subsection two.
- 40:43Speaker 1: B uh.
- 40:44Speaker 4: So that's what she's facing right now. And again there's
- 40:47Speaker 4: going to be potentially more counts that we're looking at now.
- 40:50Speaker 8: We're reviewing all videos.
- 40:51Speaker 2: I know you're not a shrink, chief, but what is
- 40:54Speaker 2: wrong with these people.
- 40:56Speaker 4: Number One, I will never try to make an excuse
- 40:59Speaker 4: for anyone like this, nor even try to understand why
- 41:02Speaker 4: they do these things, Nancy. But I think it is
- 41:05Speaker 4: important that we recognize that there are still a lot
- 41:08Speaker 4: of healthcare workers that are out there that do the
- 41:10Speaker 4: right thing. I'd be remiss if I did not say that,
- 41:13Speaker 4: Like you said, you've had some great healthcare workers. These
- 41:16Speaker 4: are the anomalies that float in and out of this
- 41:18Speaker 4: profession and any profession that we have in our society.
- 41:22Speaker 4: Law enforcement, officers, attorneys, anywhere. There's people that probably should
- 41:26Speaker 4: not be doing the profession they're in. These people will
- 41:29Speaker 4: just continue to out themselves over and over again thanks
- 41:32Speaker 4: to social media, to videos, and I will tell you
- 41:34Speaker 4: we will be there. Law enforcement is going to be there,
- 41:37Speaker 4: and we will hold them accountable, highly accountable, and ensure
- 41:40Speaker 4: that justice is served on these poor victims that are
- 41:42Speaker 4: unable to basically help themselves.
- 41:44Speaker 2: Well say, of course, you're right, you're right. For instance,
- 41:47Speaker 2: when I hear about a lawyer that does something despicable
- 41:51Speaker 2: and horrible, it makes me feel terrible. Or when a
- 41:54Speaker 2: member of law enforcement abuses a defendant, whether they're guilty
- 41:59Speaker 2: or innocent, I feel like it's a kick in my stomach.
- 42:02Speaker 2: The vast, vast majority of healthcare workers, doctors, nurses, are
- 42:08Speaker 2: amazing angels. But this woman, oh yeah, she's having supper
- 42:15Speaker 2: with Satan and it's not gonna be long. If you
- 42:18Speaker 2: know or think you know anything about this case or
- 42:22Speaker 2: other cases connected to twenty four year old Nia Ayers,
- 42:26Speaker 2: Dial four zero seven eight nine one six seven hundred,
- 42:32Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off good night for