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The Mother’s Day Attack · The Knife: A True Crime Podcast

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Speaker 1: This story contains adult content and language. Listener discretion is advised.
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Speaker 2: All these details come together so fast, but it was
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Speaker 2: basically like, this is going to be a fight for
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Speaker 2: our life.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Knife.
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Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Smith, I'm patia Eton. This week we're speaking
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Speaker 1: with Tennis and Jacobson. In twenty thirteen, Tennyson was a
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Speaker 1: new mother. She and her husband owned a small but
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Speaker 1: successful CrossFit gym in the Pacific Northwest. They were building
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Speaker 1: a house. Life was good, but Tennyson's first Mother's Day
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Speaker 1: turned their lives upside down when she and her family
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Speaker 1: learned in the most terrifying way that a man she'd
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Speaker 1: never met was targeting her. Tennyson and her husband weren't
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Speaker 1: in a fight for their lives. Let's get into the interview.
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Speaker 2: So from Washington State. We live just outside of Seattle
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Speaker 2: in the suburbs. And in twenty thirteen, I was twenty
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Speaker 2: six years old as a new mom. Our daughter was
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Speaker 2: seven months old. We owned a CrossFit gym, so we
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Speaker 2: had had that for about four years, so I managed
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Speaker 2: the gym, was a new mom. And then my husband
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Speaker 2: is a firefighter, So yeah, that was that was life
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Speaker 2: at the time.
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Speaker 1: At the time, Tennyson and her husband were in the
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Speaker 1: middle of building a house, so they were living with
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Speaker 1: Tennyson's mother in a small town outside of Seattle, Washington.
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Speaker 1: The area was rural and wooded, and the house had
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Speaker 1: this long, winding driveway. You probably wouldn't even know it
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Speaker 1: was there unless you were looking for it.
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, it was a safe neighborhood. We had great neighbors.
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Speaker 2: Our house was kind of on the outskirts of town,
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Speaker 2: so it was already a small town, but we were
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Speaker 2: a little removed, so we had locked our doors in
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Speaker 2: probably at least ten years and didn't even worry honestly
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Speaker 2: about it.
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Speaker 1: So tell us where we're at in twenty thirteen, what
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Speaker 1: time of year is it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was my first Mother's Day and we
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Speaker 2: had planned that weekend to go to Crescent Bar, Washington,
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Speaker 2: which is about a two hour drive from our house,
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Speaker 2: and then on Mother's Day we were going to the
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Speaker 2: plan Us to come home. And then at the time,
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Speaker 2: while we owned our CrossFit gym, we had a really
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Speaker 2: competitive CrossFit team and my husband was the captain of
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Speaker 2: the team, and at that time it was kind of
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Speaker 2: the build up to the CrossFit Games, which is like
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Speaker 2: the Olympics a CrossFit and we always had a really
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Speaker 2: strong team that got really close to qualifying. So the
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Speaker 2: plan was for my husband to go to the gym
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Speaker 2: work out with the team. I was going to spend
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Speaker 2: time with my mom.
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Speaker 1: So you get back from Crescent Bar. What time of
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Speaker 1: day is it. It's about twelve thirty pm PM. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: and on Mother's Day.
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Speaker 2: On Mother's Day, and so your husband heads to the
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Speaker 2: gym and are you home with the baby and is
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Speaker 2: anyone else home with you? Yeah, So my mom's there
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Speaker 2: because we were hanging out and having a little time,
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Speaker 2: and to be totally transparent, we had a rocky time
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Speaker 2: and my mom has been through a lot in her
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Speaker 2: life and that ended up impacting our relationship quite a bit.
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Speaker 2: So we were putting that to the side and spending
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Speaker 2: time together. My daughter was there again, she's about seven
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Speaker 2: months old, so just the three of us, and we
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Speaker 2: kind of fell into one of our old patterns of
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Speaker 2: miscommunication and not landing on the same page. And so
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Speaker 2: she went to her bedroom and was pretty upset and
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Speaker 2: went to take a shower, and so I was pretty
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Speaker 2: frustrated with how things were playing out. I was like,
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to start cleaning up the house. So
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Speaker 2: my daughter, I put her on the floor. You know,
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Speaker 2: she's not walking at the time, so she's sitting with
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Speaker 2: toys on a blanket. And then I just started cleaning
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Speaker 2: up the house. And that's when, yeah, I started seeing
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Speaker 2: someone walk up to our front door. And like I said,
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Speaker 2: no one ever came to our house. We were on
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Speaker 2: the outskirts of town. People had a hard time finding
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Speaker 2: our house. People never came. So my first instinct was
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Speaker 2: to walk to greet the visitor, as we kind of would,
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Speaker 2: and so I started walking towards the front door. And
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Speaker 2: it's just so crazy how quickly things really register, because
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Speaker 2: my mind's going, well, this is weird, like somebody's here. Well,
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Speaker 2: this is weird. It's Sunday, this is Mother's Day. And
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Speaker 2: within maybe one or two steps, I realized like the
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Speaker 2: intensity that this man was walking to the front door with,
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Speaker 2: and I immediately knew he was not going to be
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Speaker 2: stopping at the front door. Penny didn't, so he barged
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Speaker 2: right in and walked right tow towards me, and so
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Speaker 2: my only instinct was to head towards my daughter. So
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Speaker 2: I had her on her little blanket right by the couch.
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Speaker 2: So I turned and I ran towards her, and he
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Speaker 2: got me right before I got to her. I had
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Speaker 2: a ponytail. He grabbed me by the ponytail. He yanked
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Speaker 2: me into him, and then by that time I was
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Speaker 2: right It was like two or three feet from my daughter.
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Speaker 2: And so he pulls me into him, presses his body
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Speaker 2: into me, and bends me over the couch as he's
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Speaker 2: yanking my head towards him. And to give a description
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Speaker 2: of him, he was probably six to you know, over
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Speaker 2: six feet tall. I'm five seven. It's a lot bigger
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Speaker 2: than I am, probably at least two hundred and fifteen pounds.
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Speaker 2: He just looked grungy, but it was more so. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't his physicality, it was his like this energy. He
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Speaker 2: was so intense. And then he smelt I mean, I
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Speaker 2: don't even know how to explain the smell. It wasn't
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Speaker 2: a body order thing. It was like philth disgust. Like
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Speaker 2: it was so bad. And so he's bending me over
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Speaker 2: the couch, and all that's going through my mind is like,
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Speaker 2: I mean, I have no idea who this person is.
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Speaker 2: We live in a safe place, never seen anybody, so
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering, you know, is he going to take me?
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Speaker 2: Is he going to take me and rape me? Is
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Speaker 2: he going to make me take my daughter? And all
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Speaker 2: the time I'm kicking and trying to scream. He had
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Speaker 2: so he's yanking me with his one hand and my
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Speaker 2: you know, holding my ponytail, and then he took his
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Speaker 2: other hand and he was covering my mouth. And I'm small,
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Speaker 2: but like we owned across the gym. I worked really
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Speaker 2: hard to like keep up with the other really strong
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Speaker 2: women in my gym, and so I was that is
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Speaker 2: fairly strong for my size. So I always wondered for
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Speaker 2: most women, you know, what would we ever do in
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Speaker 2: this type of situation. And I kind of always say,
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Speaker 2: like humbling is not the right word, but it is
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Speaker 2: the word like having somebody, you know, almost one hundred
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Speaker 2: pounds more than you and so intense. It was like
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what I could do. He is holding
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Speaker 2: me there, and then he gets right in my ear
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Speaker 2: and he says, I won't hurt you. I just want
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Speaker 2: your money. And I remember just having this like ounce
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Speaker 2: of relief because thankfully my race of God or whatever
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Speaker 2: higher power there is, somebody had paid me for a
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Speaker 2: hoodie at our gym, so I had forty one dollars
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Speaker 2: of cash, which I never have cash in my wallet,
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Speaker 2: and so I had this slight sense of relief that, oh,
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Speaker 2: if he just wants money, I actually have some money
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Speaker 2: to give him. So I tried to mumble to him
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Speaker 2: that I have money. So he yanked me up by
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Speaker 2: my ponytail. He's like basically holding it like it's a leash,
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Speaker 2: and takes his other hand on my hip and he
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Speaker 2: walks me to my diaper bag, which was right next
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Speaker 2: to the front door where he came in. And so
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Speaker 2: we get to the diaper bag and just everything was
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Speaker 2: off and like if you want money, like, whuldn't you
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Speaker 2: just take a big purse, so, you know, and so
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Speaker 2: waiting for me to sift and find my wallet. Of
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Speaker 2: course it was the heaviest things that fell to the bottom,
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Speaker 2: and say, your mom, she's in the shower, she's in
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Speaker 2: a shower, any of this, yep, yep. I finally find
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Speaker 2: the wallet and I have one of those zip wallets.
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Speaker 2: So instead of even just like yanking and taking my wallet, like,
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Speaker 2: he waits for me to unzip it, and you know,
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Speaker 2: seconds just feel like forever. So it's just like it
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Speaker 2: was just weird, and so I take out the money,
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Speaker 2: I hand it to him, and then he let go
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Speaker 2: of me, and he stood about three feet in front
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Speaker 2: of me, and he just stared at me with the
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Speaker 2: blackest eyes I've ever seen. It's like you see in
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Speaker 2: the movies of a complete psychopath. He just did not
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Speaker 2: even seem of this world. And I have always explained
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Speaker 2: like it was this look of I hate you. And
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Speaker 2: then he wound up his hand and he smacked me
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Speaker 2: across the face and I fell down, sprained my ankle,
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Speaker 2: and that was It's a weird detail. But I looked
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Speaker 2: back and like if you got money, like, why did
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Speaker 2: you have to hit me? So he hit me, he turns, walks,
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Speaker 2: not even runs, just walks out the front door, hops
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Speaker 2: over our like railing. It was a few feet off
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Speaker 2: the ground, and he left. I'm screaming now, my daughter's
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Speaker 2: now screaming. I think I'm swearing.
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Speaker 3: The way you described him walking toward the front door.
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Speaker 3: So just to clarify, you saw him when he was outside,
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Speaker 3: was there like a window or a uh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, great question. Our front doors were basically big glass doors.
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so you saw him and he was walking
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Speaker 3: you know, quickly or with intention, like aggressively toward your
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Speaker 3: door and then opened it and went immediately to you.
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Speaker 3: Did it seem like he just walked into the house
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Speaker 3: or like he knew you were in there?
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Speaker 2: No, it was like he knew I was in there
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Speaker 2: because all the rooms kind of like were pretty open,
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Speaker 2: and I was in the dining room, which was right
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Speaker 2: in the middle, so almost like right in front of
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Speaker 2: the door, and so as soon as he walked in,
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Speaker 2: like I was right there. So yeah, he saw me
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Speaker 2: right away.
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Speaker 3: Had you ever seen him before?
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Speaker 2: No, I had never. I had no idea who he was.
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Speaker 1: So he walks out the door. You go get your baby,
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Speaker 1: and then what is the next move?
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Speaker 2: So my mom runs out in a towel wrapped around
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Speaker 2: her because she heard me screaming you know fff, which
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Speaker 2: I don't really ever say. And so I first locked
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Speaker 2: the door immediately, I go get my daughter, and then
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Speaker 2: my mom's running out at the same time. And then
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Speaker 2: I started running to every door in our house to
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Speaker 2: make sure it was locked. And then I think I
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Speaker 2: must have called my husband first to tell him what happened,
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Speaker 2: So I called him. He started heading home with our
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Speaker 2: friend and ConA or the gym and then I called
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Speaker 2: nine to one to one. And then once the first
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Speaker 2: cop arrived, like I could see him coming down our
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Speaker 2: long driveway, I opened the door to you know, make
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Speaker 2: sure he knew it was the right house. And then
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Speaker 2: we had, you know, several other cops come too. So
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Speaker 2: he had a trucker hat, and when he bent me
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Speaker 2: over the couch, the trucker hat fell off. So that
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Speaker 2: was like one piece of evidence that I had to
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Speaker 2: be able to give them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so most of us never find ourselves in
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Speaker 1: this situation. When the cops arrive, what happens.
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Speaker 2: It is a little blurry, like all the moving pieces,
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Speaker 2: and so I just had to start giving my testimony
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Speaker 2: to share what happened. And then meanwhile there's cops that
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Speaker 2: are looking outside for him. They're looking for evidence, and
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Speaker 2: there's a little bit of woods behind our backyard, and
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Speaker 2: so they had said, like, oh, there's a little bit
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Speaker 2: of trampled on place that looks like somebody could have
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Speaker 2: been hiding here. They found a couple blades of grass
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Speaker 2: that were like broken. But part of me also knew,
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Speaker 2: like I just there's something that was like I don't
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Speaker 2: think they're going to find him. Like he was just
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Speaker 2: so he wasn't anxious, like he was just.
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Speaker 1: Intense, almost like he would go and blend in other
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Speaker 1: than being very smelly. Yeah, and that's not what they're
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Speaker 1: picking up on, you know, it's the other And they
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Speaker 1: didn't find a single thing.
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Speaker 2: They were probably there for. It was at least four hours,
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Speaker 2: I want to say, so an aid car came as well,
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Speaker 2: checked out my ankle and just checked me out. And
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Speaker 2: then during that time there was something about all the
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Speaker 2: details of it that again were not adding up and
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Speaker 2: didn't make sense. And they were trying to say, oh,
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Speaker 2: you know, homeless people live in the woods area behind
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Speaker 2: your house because we have a church, few churches that
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Speaker 2: would do hot meals, and so they're like, you know,
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Speaker 2: maybe he's here for a hot meal. But that didn't
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Speaker 2: seem right, and so they had that thought. But I
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Speaker 2: just was like, something just feels really off. And then
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Speaker 2: I had this thought that came that was like he's
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Speaker 2: coming back, he's coming back. And one cop who had
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Speaker 2: thirty years of experience, was like, you know, I've had
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Speaker 2: thirty years of experience, nobody's ever came back. Another one
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Speaker 2: was like, of course they don't have a crystal ball,
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Speaker 2: but you know, the statistics of somebody coming back are
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Speaker 2: almost impossible. So they weren't being rude or like trying
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Speaker 2: to like dismiss me, but they were using logic and
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Speaker 2: statistics to say that just doesn't happen.
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Speaker 1: And do you think that that little voice inside you
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Speaker 1: that felt that way came from the fact that he,
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Speaker 1: like Hannah had asked you earlier. It seemed like he
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Speaker 1: knew you were there, and he seemed like he might
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Speaker 1: be watching.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like he came in like looking around.
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Speaker 2: He came right for me. It came from him waiting
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Speaker 2: for the wallet like that didn't make sense to me.
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Speaker 2: It came from the look he gave me, like and
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Speaker 2: then hitting me, like why did you have to hit me?
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Speaker 2: That didn't make sense. So I think it was those
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Speaker 2: those things.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and the fact that he's so unpredictable and
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Speaker 3: doing these strange things, like I can see how that
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Speaker 3: would lend you to believe like there's some other motivation here.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they think later that maybe like my daughter
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Speaker 2: who was there, like maybe he didn't expect her to
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Speaker 2: be there, And so the kind of only working thing
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Speaker 2: was that that threw him off. And so he left
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Speaker 2: at that time.
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Speaker 1: And so the cops are there, you estimate they're there
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Speaker 1: for four hours. And so what does a person do
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Speaker 1: after an experience like that, after law enforcement goes home.
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Speaker 2: It's so hard because it's like, our homes are our
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Speaker 2: safe place. I mean, getting attacked anywhere is unacceptable and awful,
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Speaker 2: but I think in your home, where is supposed to
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Speaker 2: be your one safe place, that really messes with you,
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Speaker 2: especially in a place that felt so safe in our neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Tennyson was shaken, still trying to wrap her mind around
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Speaker 1: what had just happened. She and her family had had
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Speaker 1: these long standing dinner plans to celebrate. This was her
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Speaker 1: first Mother's Day as a mom. It's not like this
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Speaker 1: sounded like fun in the moment, but neither did staying home.
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Speaker 1: She'd watched her attacker disappear into the woods and knew
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Speaker 1: that he could be anywhere. There was no right answer,
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Speaker 1: So we.
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Speaker 2: Went out to dinner, and even going out to dinner
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Speaker 2: was awful, and I had to go to the bathroom
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, what if he's at the end
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Speaker 2: of the hall, like he jumped out of nowhere before
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Speaker 2: he could jump out of nowhere, again, and then even
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Speaker 2: just little things that like you're watching people and they're
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Speaker 2: so happy and they're having so much fun, but inside
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Speaker 2: you're a complete mess and scared. And then I feel like, oh, well, crap,
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Speaker 2: now I'm being a wet blanket, Like I'm not fun,
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Speaker 2: but I'm messed up. So there's a whole bunch of
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Speaker 2: you know, mixed emotions. So we went to dinner and
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Speaker 2: then came back home. I spent time, My girlfriend still
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Speaker 2: came over. We had a couple of glasses of wine.
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Speaker 2: My husband's in early to bed, I'm going to stay
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Speaker 2: up late. So he he went to bed earlier than
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Speaker 2: I did. And he is such a trust the professional guy.
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Speaker 2: I think part of that is what he does and work,
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Speaker 2: like you have to trust those who you work with,
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Speaker 2: and so when they said nobody comes back, like he
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Speaker 2: believed that. So he went to bed totally fine, where
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Speaker 2: I was like, how the hell am I going to
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Speaker 2: go to bed tonight? Like it's dark, it's night. I
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Speaker 2: can't sleep just thinking about everything, and then also worrying
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Speaker 2: about this guy coming back. And part of it too,
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Speaker 2: is like I'm also trying to be like, Okay, I
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Speaker 2: have this thought, but like everybody's telling me that that
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Speaker 2: doesn't happen. So then you're trying to not be the
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Speaker 2: crazy person and you're trying to like go back to normal.
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Speaker 2: So when I went to bed, I always slept on
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Speaker 2: the side of the bed that was closest to the door,
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Speaker 2: so that I could get up to go, you know,
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Speaker 2: take care of our daughter if I needed to. But
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Speaker 2: that night I was like, there's no way I'm sleeping
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Speaker 2: next to the door. So I made my husband switch
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Speaker 2: sides to the bed with me. We always slept with
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Speaker 2: waspray on one side of the bed and a Louisville
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Speaker 2: slugger bat on the other.
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Speaker 1: So what time did your friend leave and what time
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Speaker 1: did you go to bed?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she left probably around like ten o'clock, ten thirty,
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Speaker 2: and then I went to bed around probably ten thirty,
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Speaker 2: cleaned up, and then went to bed. But first, you know,
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Speaker 2: double checked every single door, every single window, and then
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Speaker 2: I got back into bed. I'm like, what if I
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Speaker 2: missed one? So I did it again. And then I
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Speaker 2: got back into bed and like, I gotta do it again,
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Speaker 2: So I triple checked. There are a lot of windows
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Speaker 2: in that house, every single window, every single door, and
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Speaker 2: then yeah, finally got into bed around ten thirty.
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Speaker 1: Earlier that day, after the intruder had left Tennyson's husband,
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Speaker 1: Kyle had raced home to be with her, and he'd
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Speaker 1: brought a friend with him for support. So instead of
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Speaker 1: driving the friend back to his car that night, Kyle
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Speaker 1: just told him take the truck and he'd get it
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Speaker 1: back the next day. So Kyle's truck was not in
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Speaker 1: the driveway that night like it usually was when he
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Speaker 1: was home.
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Speaker 2: So I went to bed around ten thirty again I'm
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Speaker 2: not sleeping, and I got the baby monitor because we
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Speaker 2: had one of those video monitors, and so I pulled
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Speaker 2: it onto my side of the bed and I was like, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to be watching this because if by
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Speaker 2: any chance he happens to come, like, I am going
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Speaker 2: to make sure that if he goes into her room,
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Speaker 2: I'll see it. And so I was just literally laying
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Speaker 2: there all night until about one thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 2: And we had two little Yorky New Yorkshire Terrier dogs
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Speaker 2: that's up with us in our bed, Lola and Lilly,
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Speaker 2: and they woke up most nights to go to the bathroom,
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Speaker 2: which was super annoying, and they did that night so
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Speaker 2: at about one thirty in the morning, they woke up
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Speaker 2: wiggling their little bodies just to like say, they needed
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Speaker 2: to go to the bathroom. And there was no way
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Speaker 2: I was taking them. I was so scared, so I
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Speaker 2: felt awful, but I woke up my husband to see
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Speaker 2: if he would take them out. So he was annoyed.
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Speaker 2: So he gets up to take them out, and I
19:32
Speaker 2: told him, I was like, babe, take the bat because
19:35
Speaker 2: I was so scared, and that was on my side
19:39
Speaker 2: of the bed, so it would have taken a bit
19:40
Speaker 2: of extra effort to walk around grab it. So he
19:44
Speaker 2: grabbed the waspray just to appease me, probably because he
19:47
Speaker 2: knew I wouldn't stop bugging him to take something. So
19:50
Speaker 2: he grabs the wasp pray he walks out. So how
19:54
Speaker 2: our house was set up was there was a one
19:56
Speaker 2: story house. In the middle of the house, there was
19:58
Speaker 2: this music room, and then there's like this long hallway.
20:01
Speaker 2: So he walked out our bedroom door into the hallway
20:05
Speaker 2: towards the front door, and then just within a few steps,
20:10
Speaker 2: the dogs started growling, and so he turned to tell
20:14
Speaker 2: them to shut up because he thought they were going
20:16
Speaker 2: to wake up. You know, my mom or Lilah. So
20:19
Speaker 2: he turns and the man is right there in the hallway. Yeah.
20:27
Speaker 2: So I'm still in bed. I'm not hearing anything. The
20:29
Speaker 2: dogs like run back into me, you know, they're like nervous,
20:33
Speaker 2: and they weren't like that. So what my husband said
20:37
Speaker 2: is he walked into the hallway, turned guys right there.
20:40
Speaker 2: He immediately exactly like what he did towards me intently,
20:44
Speaker 2: just belined it straight from my husband. And my husband
20:49
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, and immediately knew this was
20:53
Speaker 2: the man from earlier. And he also pretty much knew, like,
20:58
Speaker 2: you know, subconsciously, all these details come together so fast.
21:02
Speaker 2: But it was basically like, this is going to be
21:04
Speaker 2: a fight for our life. And so guy rushes right
21:11
Speaker 2: towards Kyle. Kyle starts spraying the was spray at him
21:15
Speaker 2: and it just pisses them off, and he holds up
21:18
Speaker 2: his hands and he has gardening gloves duct taped to
21:22
Speaker 2: his wrists as he's holding them out towards my husband.
21:25
Speaker 2: And so they start fighting, and when the dogs come
21:30
Speaker 2: back in, I'm like, well, this is weird. And then
21:33
Speaker 2: it was just like a few seconds of quiet, and
21:35
Speaker 2: then I started to hear rustling. So I immediately knew
21:40
Speaker 2: what was going on. So I jumped out of bed,
21:42
Speaker 2: grabbed the bat, ran out to the hallway, and by
21:45
Speaker 2: that time, Kyle And to give a little context of Kyle,
21:48
Speaker 2: so we owned across the gym. Like he was, you know,
21:51
Speaker 2: the team captain, so's he was one of the strongest
21:55
Speaker 2: just physically like strong, but also like endurance wise. And
21:59
Speaker 2: then he also I'd been a high school wrestler and
22:01
Speaker 2: then he coached wrestling after so he had that experience.
22:06
Speaker 2: And then he's a firefighter, so he has experience with
22:10
Speaker 2: you know, pretty crazy stuff and having to remain calm.
22:14
Speaker 2: So like, there's one person you wanted in this fight,
22:18
Speaker 2: like he's the top candidate. So by the time I
22:21
Speaker 2: got out there, it was crazy. But Kyle had gotten
22:25
Speaker 2: him in a headlock, so the guy was on all
22:28
Speaker 2: fours and then my husband's arm was wrapped around the
22:31
Speaker 2: back of his neck, tucking him down, so his back
22:35
Speaker 2: was wide open, and you know, I had the bat,
22:38
Speaker 2: and so I was like, Okay, I'm just going to
22:41
Speaker 2: slam this thing down on him as hard as a
22:43
Speaker 2: freaking can. And again I knew I was small, but
22:47
Speaker 2: now I'm like jacked on adrenalist, and I knew it
22:50
Speaker 2: was the same person, not just like because who else
22:53
Speaker 2: would it be, but like you could smell him to
22:55
Speaker 2: it was the same exact thing. And so I wound
22:58
Speaker 2: up the bat as hard as I could, and I
23:00
Speaker 2: slammed it on his back, screaming, you know, f bombs
23:04
Speaker 2: at him. And so I slammed the bat on him,
23:06
Speaker 2: and then I do it again. By the sixth time
23:09
Speaker 2: I slammed it on him, the bat broke into which
23:14
Speaker 2: is actually crazy. I mean, it was a grown up, wooden,
23:17
Speaker 2: solid bat, and it looks like what it would in
23:20
Speaker 2: a baseball game if it, you know, breaks, and it's
23:22
Speaker 2: got the jagged ends, and so I'm like holding the
23:26
Speaker 2: broken half that has a jagged end. I'm like, oh
23:29
Speaker 2: my gosh, like I should stab this in his back,
23:32
Speaker 2: but I was like, I can't do that, and so
23:34
Speaker 2: I threw that down. And then the next thing I
23:37
Speaker 2: could think of was, Okay, well, his hips are high,
23:39
Speaker 2: like I'll just start kicking him in the balls. So
23:43
Speaker 2: I go to start kicking him in the balls, but
23:45
Speaker 2: because I had sprained my ankle from when he hit me,
23:48
Speaker 2: like it really freakin' hurt. So then I try with
23:51
Speaker 2: my left foot. That's even more pathetic not doing anything.
23:55
Speaker 2: So then I look around and I see the can
23:57
Speaker 2: of was spray that my husband had brought on the
24:00
Speaker 2: floor and his head is still tucked down.
24:03
Speaker 3: Can I ask, is your husband kind of struggling with
24:06
Speaker 3: him the whole time?
24:08
Speaker 2: For me, it doesn't look like it's a struggle, but
24:11
Speaker 2: you know, like in these matches, there's so much intensity
24:16
Speaker 2: that's happening, and so it's taking everything within him to
24:22
Speaker 2: keep the upper hand, Like the guy's trying to grab
24:25
Speaker 2: his balls, break his finger, bite him. So there's a
24:29
Speaker 2: lot going on down there that I'm not really aware of,
24:33
Speaker 2: but just so much energy to keep the upper hand.
24:37
Speaker 2: So they're on all fours, kind of facing each other,
24:39
Speaker 2: and he's slowly like moving down the living room. So
24:43
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like much is happening, but so much
24:45
Speaker 2: is happening in that And even when I broke the
24:49
Speaker 2: bat on him, like there was no ow, there was
24:52
Speaker 2: no like you bitch, there there's absolutely no sounds and
24:57
Speaker 2: my husband was the only one that could hear him,
24:59
Speaker 2: and it was basically just like growling and grunting.
25:03
Speaker 1: Wow, So your husband is struggling with him, but currently
25:06
Speaker 1: still has him in the headlock. You've hit him with
25:09
Speaker 1: so much force that the bat broke. Now you're kicking in,
25:12
Speaker 1: but you're realizing your ankle is making that really hard
25:15
Speaker 1: to use any real force. What do you do next?
25:19
Speaker 1: And what is the look in your husband's eyes while
25:22
Speaker 1: all of this is happening. Yeah, so I actually can't
25:25
Speaker 1: see him at all because he's like to this side
25:28
Speaker 1: holding the headlock. We're not talking at all.
25:31
Speaker 2: So at that point I see the waspray, So I
25:35
Speaker 2: grab the wasp pray because I can tell the guy's
25:37
Speaker 2: head is tucked down and Kyle's on top of him,
25:39
Speaker 2: so I could spray it in his face without getting
25:43
Speaker 2: my husband. So I grabbed the can of waspray. I
25:46
Speaker 2: crouched down where the guy's head is, and I just
25:48
Speaker 2: point blank finger on the trigger. I'm spraying waspray literally
25:52
Speaker 2: right into his eyes, and again, like nothing is happening,
25:58
Speaker 2: I'm just holding and spraying and spraying. I mean it's
26:01
Speaker 2: a full can of waspray. I'm just holding that. And
26:04
Speaker 2: then we're slowly moving still down the hallway and nothing's
26:08
Speaker 2: going on through Like I didn't wasn't even thinking of
26:11
Speaker 2: anything else. And then my husband which you know, I've
26:15
Speaker 2: never heard in my entire marriage with him, relationship with
26:20
Speaker 2: him was like Tenny, I need help. It was Yeah,
26:28
Speaker 2: it was just like a light switch flipped in my
26:31
Speaker 2: brain because again I've never heard him say those words
26:34
Speaker 2: for anything, let alone something physical, and so it was
26:38
Speaker 2: an immediate knowing that there needed to be something more
26:42
Speaker 2: drastic than what we were doing. So I dropped a
26:47
Speaker 2: can of waspray and I ran to the kitchen. And
26:51
Speaker 2: by that time, my mom had heard me dropping f
26:55
Speaker 2: bombs and screaming when I had hit him with the bat,
26:58
Speaker 2: So she ran out, and my husband was able to
27:01
Speaker 2: say Roslin like call nine one one, and so she
27:05
Speaker 2: came back out and she was on the phone with
27:07
Speaker 2: nine one one. So then I go to the kitchen
27:09
Speaker 2: and we had two big kitchen you know, ten inch
27:13
Speaker 2: kitchen knives. One was flimsy and not great and one
27:17
Speaker 2: was sturdy and really solid, and so I took the
27:20
Speaker 2: time to grab both of them just to make sure
27:22
Speaker 2: they didn't get switched. And I had the better of
27:24
Speaker 2: the two. I got the knife and I walked back
27:27
Speaker 2: out and his back was still wide open, and I
27:31
Speaker 2: started stabbing him. I stabbed him four times. And then
27:35
Speaker 2: on the fourth time, I pull out the knife and
27:37
Speaker 2: there's like this chunk of the knife missing. You know,
27:41
Speaker 2: I'm so on adrenaline that you almost like don't even
27:44
Speaker 2: know what you're doing. And so when I pulled it out,
27:46
Speaker 2: I saw the chunk of a blade missing, this solid knife.
27:50
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is crazy, Oh my gosh. But then
27:53
Speaker 2: I just kept stabbing him again. It was just like
27:58
Speaker 2: nothing was working, and so it just felt like he
28:01
Speaker 2: was never going to be stopped. And so by the
28:04
Speaker 2: eighth time I stabbed him, my husband was like, Tenny, stop,
28:09
Speaker 2: and so I paused for a second because he could
28:12
Speaker 2: tell his breathing had shifted to agnal breathing, which is
28:16
Speaker 2: basically end of life. So he let the guy fall
28:20
Speaker 2: to his back on the floor, and then I stabbed
28:23
Speaker 2: him once more in the gut, and then my husband's like, Tenny, stop,
28:27
Speaker 2: and so I stopped. My mom's on the phone with
28:31
Speaker 2: nine one one as I'm doing this, So I stop,
28:34
Speaker 2: and he crawls on the guy because just like me,
28:36
Speaker 2: it was like, is he going to get back up?
28:38
Speaker 2: He's like it felt like he could resurrect any second
28:41
Speaker 2: and keep resuming, And that started the initial investigation.
28:47
Speaker 1: So do the cops arrive within moments of no.
28:52
Speaker 2: No, she had only she only got on the phone
28:55
Speaker 2: with the cops maybe like a minute and a half
28:58
Speaker 2: before this happened. If that, she's screaming into the phone
29:02
Speaker 2: when I'm doing it, you know, she's stabbing him. She's
29:04
Speaker 2: stabbing him. And so as soon as I'm done, they
29:08
Speaker 2: asked to pass the phone to me, and then they
29:10
Speaker 2: asked my name and how old I am and where's
29:14
Speaker 2: the knife? And so there's a lot of just conversation
29:16
Speaker 2: with the dispatcher to can you set the knife down,
29:19
Speaker 2: and like, I don't want to set the knife down.
29:21
Speaker 2: I'm too scared to set the knife down. So there
29:24
Speaker 2: was that, and then they had dispatched by that point.
29:27
Speaker 2: But again, it takes a while to get to our house,
29:30
Speaker 2: so it took about eight minutes before you know, they
29:34
Speaker 2: actually arrived.
29:35
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the intruder's now laying on his back and
29:38
Speaker 1: your husband has climbed on top of him just to
29:41
Speaker 1: be extra cautious, and he's dying.
29:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you witnessing that? Well, it was like, I mean,
29:51
Speaker 2: it was completely dark in the house. There's like it's
29:53
Speaker 2: literally almost like the movies are just moonlight like we
29:56
Speaker 2: and we had recess lighting in our hallway, so that
30:00
Speaker 2: was already dim, but nobody went to turn lights on anything,
30:03
Speaker 2: So I honestly don't even think I saw his face
30:06
Speaker 2: that entire second time. Yeah, so it.
30:17
Speaker 1: Takes about eight minutes for law enforcement to get to
30:21
Speaker 1: your house. In that eight minutes, do you turn on lights?
30:26
Speaker 1: What's going on?
30:29
Speaker 2: I was coached by the dispatch to bring the knife
30:31
Speaker 2: to the kitchen, so I think I was maybe in there,
30:36
Speaker 2: and then I came back to the living room just
30:38
Speaker 2: to stand by my husband. He got on the phone
30:41
Speaker 2: with nine one one, and it's trying to help explain
30:44
Speaker 2: to them how to get to the house. Listening to
30:47
Speaker 2: the nine one calls, I can hear myself like when
30:49
Speaker 2: he's on the phone with nine one one, I'm talking
30:51
Speaker 2: to my mom and like explaining what happened a little
30:54
Speaker 2: bit of course, freaking out and crying and shaking and
30:59
Speaker 2: like I killed somebody. I think when I reflect back
31:02
Speaker 2: on that time, you're just in total shock, and also
31:06
Speaker 2: like I just did something that people go to jail
31:09
Speaker 2: for the rest of their lives for doing. And then
31:12
Speaker 2: eventually the cops get there, and then medics come and
31:16
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this at the time, but you know,
31:18
Speaker 2: their job is to tend to the worst hurting individual,
31:23
Speaker 2: which was him, and so they were giving him CPR,
31:27
Speaker 2: which I just remember being like, what are you doing? Like,
31:30
Speaker 2: we just did all this work to stop him, Why
31:32
Speaker 2: are you doing that? I mean, we were now murder suspects,
31:36
Speaker 2: and so we were held there and then had to
31:39
Speaker 2: essentially wait for detectives to come. Now, this is a
31:42
Speaker 2: crime scene. You were held at your home, yeah, and
31:46
Speaker 2: never handcuffed, but basically, like there was a bench in
31:49
Speaker 2: the front entryway, and so just Kyle and I we
31:52
Speaker 2: were sitting at the bunch and then my mom went
31:55
Speaker 2: to go check on our daughter and she was still sleeping,
31:59
Speaker 2: thank gosh. So she basically just stayed in the room
32:03
Speaker 2: with my daughter as now law enforcement to start swarming
32:07
Speaker 2: in and detectives, and eventually the lead detective came. I
32:11
Speaker 2: don't know like how long it took her to get there,
32:14
Speaker 2: and we had to each individually go to her car
32:17
Speaker 2: to give our testimony. And I think it must have
32:20
Speaker 2: been obvious to them that it was self defense because
32:24
Speaker 2: we were never handcuffed, we were never treated like any
32:27
Speaker 2: other way of just like they were so kind. And
32:32
Speaker 2: I remember one point like just sitting there, and we
32:34
Speaker 2: were sitting there for a while, and I'm just you know,
32:36
Speaker 2: I'm covered in blood. It's drying on my shorts, it's
32:38
Speaker 2: drying on my body. Like I felt so disgusting, covered
32:43
Speaker 2: in his blood and just even him, you know. And
32:48
Speaker 2: so I asked if I could take a shower, and
32:51
Speaker 2: they got approval from a detective to let me shower,
32:54
Speaker 2: and like a cop walked me to the shower, or
32:57
Speaker 2: he walked me to get clothes, walked me to the bathroom,
33:00
Speaker 2: and then I go in and he was going to
33:03
Speaker 2: stand outside, and I just remember thinking, like, that's so
33:05
Speaker 2: nice of them to stand outside so that I feel comfortable.
33:09
Speaker 2: But they're not standing there for my comfort. They're standing
33:12
Speaker 2: there because I just killed somebody, you know.
33:15
Speaker 1: Tennyson and Kyle had been in a fight for their life.
33:19
Speaker 1: It was almost an out of body experience. This had
33:22
Speaker 1: all happened at around one thirty in the morning, and
33:25
Speaker 1: then hours of questioning followed. Tennison had an open wound
33:30
Speaker 1: just from the friction from holding the knife, and Kyle's
33:32
Speaker 1: knees were rubbed completely raw from being dragged across their
33:36
Speaker 1: living room floor as he struggled with their attacker. They
33:39
Speaker 1: were both in need of medical attention.
33:42
Speaker 2: So yes, we went to the hospital and then the
33:43
Speaker 2: infectious disease doctor to run tests, and then it was
33:47
Speaker 2: back to we now went to Kyle's parents' house to
33:50
Speaker 2: figure out, Okay, well what does this mean? Now? Where
33:53
Speaker 2: do we go? How do we even navigate all of
33:56
Speaker 2: the moving pieces of now a murder investigation, complete trauma,
34:02
Speaker 2: you know, we didn't even want to be in a
34:04
Speaker 2: car alone, So thinking of like how do we run
34:08
Speaker 2: our business? You know, so we're running our business, we
34:11
Speaker 2: have our daughter, we have we're building a house, my mom,
34:14
Speaker 2: there's a crime scene. There's just so much to figure out,
34:19
Speaker 2: and so it was kind of almost just like one
34:21
Speaker 2: hour at a time. And the detective, she was just amazing,
34:26
Speaker 2: Like I think she is a special person in my
34:28
Speaker 2: life who I don't know what it would have looked
34:30
Speaker 2: like without her, but she just was incredible. It was
34:34
Speaker 2: so clear it was self defense, and they quickly got
34:38
Speaker 2: that the evidence from the hat matched the guy, so
34:43
Speaker 2: that all checked out.
34:45
Speaker 1: It was quickly determined that Tennis and Kyle were acting
34:48
Speaker 1: in self defense and they soon also learned the identity
34:52
Speaker 1: of this man who had invaded their home not once,
34:54
Speaker 1: but twice in twenty four hours. His name was Ken Boonstra,
34:58
Speaker 1: a white male about put to age forty eight.
35:03
Speaker 2: And we did find out a couple days later, like
35:05
Speaker 2: he had a camera on him, he had a tripod,
35:09
Speaker 2: he had duct tape, he had a flashlight, and again
35:12
Speaker 2: circling back like this was the only night my husband
35:16
Speaker 2: has been home when his truck wasn't So it's pretty
35:20
Speaker 2: clear his intention that evening. And as they started to
35:24
Speaker 2: investigate him, he had a YouTube channel which since has
35:28
Speaker 2: been taken down that was just it was all misogynistic
35:31
Speaker 2: rants about how evil and awful women are, that were
35:36
Speaker 2: the scum of the earth. Where are serpents? We were
35:39
Speaker 2: just made to destroy men, We need to be destroyed.
35:43
Speaker 2: And as they started looking into his family, like apparently
35:46
Speaker 2: he went through a pretty bitter divorce and then it
35:50
Speaker 2: was after his divorce that he pretty much spiraled. So
35:53
Speaker 2: even like his family was scared of him, and he
35:56
Speaker 2: had said like he thought monkeys drug him down his
35:59
Speaker 2: trailer and aliens drug him back. And when they ran
36:03
Speaker 2: the toxicology report, which did not surprise me at all,
36:07
Speaker 2: there was nothing, no drugs, no alcohol, no anything, which
36:12
Speaker 2: people kind of assumed that would be the case. But
36:14
Speaker 2: I just again, thinking back to the first incident, it
36:18
Speaker 2: seemed like something else. And so their theory is that
36:21
Speaker 2: he essentially had a psychotic break and he might have
36:26
Speaker 2: saw me somewhere at like a Starbucks or the grocery store,
36:29
Speaker 2: and something about me maybe reminded him of his wife,
36:34
Speaker 2: and obviously he had so much hatred towards women, and
36:38
Speaker 2: so that was what they think the motive was.
36:42
Speaker 1: Were they ever able to determine when he first sort
36:47
Speaker 1: of zoned in on you or they just thought's their
36:50
Speaker 1: sort of best maybe?
36:52
Speaker 2: Guess they weren't. Yeah, they found, like I said, in
36:55
Speaker 2: the woods behind their house. They said, there was some
36:59
Speaker 2: ground that had been rampled on, but there was no
37:02
Speaker 2: like indication of how long it had been and no
37:06
Speaker 2: lead to where he saw me.
37:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, were they able to figure out how he got
37:10
Speaker 3: into your home?
37:12
Speaker 2: It's a great question. No, they weren't. The front door,
37:17
Speaker 2: I locked it and I pulled on it to make
37:20
Speaker 2: sure and it didn't budge. It was a weird lock.
37:23
Speaker 2: Sometimes it wouldn't go all the way through. But even
37:25
Speaker 2: when I tried, I couldn't open it. So I mean,
37:28
Speaker 2: I think they think he somehow got the lock open.
37:33
Speaker 2: They found like blades of grass, and like there was
37:36
Speaker 2: a bathtub by a window by my in my mom's bedroom,
37:39
Speaker 2: but she never used that bathtub and she would always
37:42
Speaker 2: wear shoes, and so that didn't make sense. But yeah,
37:46
Speaker 2: the thought is the front door. Some my sister she
37:49
Speaker 2: sometimes lived there in and out, like she thinks that
37:52
Speaker 2: maybe he was hiding in a room like that he
37:55
Speaker 2: actually never left, but that didn't make sense because our
37:57
Speaker 2: dogs were there and they would have, you know.
38:00
Speaker 3: And then did anyone that the man the attacker, you know,
38:05
Speaker 3: you kind of filled us in on his story and
38:08
Speaker 3: that he had probably had some kind of mental break
38:10
Speaker 3: and had been fostering this kind of like rage and
38:14
Speaker 3: anger against women for quite a while, to the point
38:17
Speaker 3: where he isolated his family members. Did anyone that he
38:21
Speaker 3: had known in his life ever reach out to you?
38:25
Speaker 2: I will say his ex wife reached out to me
38:28
Speaker 2: a few years ago, and it was very kind and
38:31
Speaker 2: very supportive, and she just felt so bad, and so
38:34
Speaker 2: she even talked about connecting and maybe meeting up sometime,
38:38
Speaker 2: and I just wasn't quite there yet.
38:42
Speaker 1: Did your response to hearing this man who had terrified
38:48
Speaker 1: you earlier that day understandably? So did your response to
38:52
Speaker 1: then seeing him again in your house struggling with your
38:55
Speaker 1: husband surprise you sorry?
38:59
Speaker 2: My response to him being there like.
39:01
Speaker 1: The fact that I think it would be equally easy
39:04
Speaker 1: to understand if you grabbed your baby and ran out
39:06
Speaker 1: of the house.
39:08
Speaker 2: Oh okay, No, I mean I think I'm seeing my
39:11
Speaker 2: husband fight him.
39:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to help, like you jumped into action.
39:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be there was actually no processing of grabbing
39:23
Speaker 2: my daughter, Like I knew she was in a safe place, right,
39:26
Speaker 2: and I think I subconsciously knew how dangerous this man was.
39:32
Speaker 2: Like again, somebody's not in your house twelve hours later
39:37
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night to steal some jewelry,
39:40
Speaker 2: you know, like there is some intention there, and I'm
39:44
Speaker 2: not cognitively piecing all that together, but you subconsciously, And
39:48
Speaker 2: so it was just like I think it was assumed
39:51
Speaker 2: I needed to do whatever I could to help Kyle.
39:55
Speaker 2: One thing to say too, that I really commend Kyle
39:57
Speaker 2: for is everybody focus on me and what I did.
40:01
Speaker 2: I get it, But him asking for help was a
40:06
Speaker 2: pivotal moment in that night, and I think, I mean,
40:10
Speaker 2: we all struggle with asking for help. I think sometimes
40:12
Speaker 2: men more so. But if he hadn't asked for help,
40:17
Speaker 2: I do not think like all of the intuition and
40:21
Speaker 2: instinct that had felt that day would have kicked in
40:24
Speaker 2: to know for me to do what I did next.
40:27
Speaker 2: And so again I go back to like, we both
40:30
Speaker 2: need each other. We both did it, we were both
40:32
Speaker 2: a team.
40:34
Speaker 1: You know, what does life look like after something like
40:37
Speaker 1: this happens.
40:39
Speaker 2: It was the hardest experience of my life. So that
40:45
Speaker 2: day that you know, we basically come home from the
40:48
Speaker 2: infectious disease doctor and Kyle gets a call from his
40:52
Speaker 2: fire department that was basically like, hey, Kyle, you know,
40:55
Speaker 2: within thirty minutes of us learning about what happened, your
41:00
Speaker 2: shifts are covered for three months. So his fellow firefighters
41:05
Speaker 2: volunteered to take his shifts so he could have three
41:07
Speaker 2: months off, which was just incredible. And so we moved
41:13
Speaker 2: in with my in laws in the home essentially that
41:16
Speaker 2: my husband grew up in, and it was about fifteen
41:18
Speaker 2: minutes from the house where this happened, and it was
41:21
Speaker 2: a small house, but there was nowhere to go our
41:25
Speaker 2: new house that we were building. I mean, we had
41:27
Speaker 2: just poured foundations, so there was nothing to move into.
41:30
Speaker 2: So we knew we had about seven more months to
41:33
Speaker 2: build our house, so we moved in with them. They
41:36
Speaker 2: immediately installed a security system. I mean we didn't even,
41:40
Speaker 2: I think, drive anywhere by ourselves for the first two weeks.
41:43
Speaker 2: My in laws drove us to the grocery store, drove
41:46
Speaker 2: us to the bank. I mean, you're completely traumatized. You
41:50
Speaker 2: can't sleep. My in laws had a guest bedroom which
41:53
Speaker 2: was like on the opposite side of their house and
41:56
Speaker 2: had its own bathroom, and we're like, don't think we
41:59
Speaker 2: can sleep there, And so we pulled a mattress into
42:02
Speaker 2: my in law's bedroom and we slept there for three months,
42:06
Speaker 2: which was crazy. I loved my in laws, but you know,
42:11
Speaker 2: it's a wild thought to think of sleeping next to
42:13
Speaker 2: your in laws. You know, walking down a hallway, I
42:17
Speaker 2: just expect that a door is going to open and
42:19
Speaker 2: somebody's going to attack me. It gets really draining when
42:22
Speaker 2: you're not getting any sleep. Your body's on overdrive all
42:25
Speaker 2: the time, you're facing an investigation, you're building a house,
42:28
Speaker 2: you have a seven month old daughter. Things were complicated
42:31
Speaker 2: with my mom I'm living with my in laws in
42:33
Speaker 2: a space that's you know, not really my space. And
42:37
Speaker 2: at one point we were told to go to the
42:39
Speaker 2: doctor and my doctor prescribed me xanax, and I was
42:43
Speaker 2: terrified to take that. I'd never seen anything like that before,
42:47
Speaker 2: but I was struggling, so I got on xanax pretty quickly,
42:50
Speaker 2: and that helped during the day, like even just driving
42:53
Speaker 2: in a car, like if I saw someone past me
42:55
Speaker 2: that wasn't expected, I'd get shivers all down my body everywhere.
43:01
Speaker 1: The trauma from what happened that day impacted everyday tasks
43:05
Speaker 1: that used to be automatic, like just closing up their gym,
43:08
Speaker 1: something Tennis and Kyle used to be fine doing alone
43:11
Speaker 1: was now impossible. They also had a friend who set
43:15
Speaker 1: up a GoF on me to help provide them with
43:17
Speaker 1: a highly trained protection dog. The couple knew they couldn't
43:20
Speaker 1: face this alone and they sought out professional help.
43:24
Speaker 2: We had been advised to go to trauma center in
43:29
Speaker 2: Seattle that you know, was like the best of the best,
43:31
Speaker 2: and we very quickly started meeting with their trauma therapists
43:35
Speaker 2: there too, And what they prescribed really is called exposure therapy,
43:39
Speaker 2: so expose yourself to the thing that you're most terrified of,
43:42
Speaker 2: which for me was sitting in like just being in
43:45
Speaker 2: a room alone. And so very quickly I started doing
43:49
Speaker 2: exposure therapy, where I'd have to sit in a bedroom
43:51
Speaker 2: literally people are right outside the door and you have
43:54
Speaker 2: to expose yourself to it for twenty minutes and then
43:57
Speaker 2: rate yourself. And the idea is that as you say
44:00
Speaker 2: in it and you know you know, nothing happens, then
44:02
Speaker 2: your body comes down and starts to learn it's okay.
44:05
Speaker 2: So we both did that. Kyle did it, staying up
44:08
Speaker 2: later than everybody else.
44:11
Speaker 1: The exposure therapy was starting to work, but it wasn't
44:14
Speaker 1: a quick fix. Tennison and Kyle took everything one day
44:16
Speaker 1: at a time, and after seven months they moved into
44:20
Speaker 1: their newly built home.
44:21
Speaker 3: Life continued.
44:22
Speaker 1: But for Tennyson, this idea that this stranger she'd never
44:25
Speaker 1: even noticed had fixated on her and carried out this
44:29
Speaker 1: calculated attack.
44:31
Speaker 3: It was so scary.
44:32
Speaker 1: All she'd done was exist, and somehow that had been
44:35
Speaker 1: enough to provoke him. It made everyone she didn't know
44:39
Speaker 1: feel like a threat.
44:41
Speaker 2: I think on the outside I totally looked normal and happy,
44:44
Speaker 2: but like the internal experience of being paralyzed by fear
44:53
Speaker 2: everywhere you go. You know, there was never an understanding
44:56
Speaker 2: of why. Necessarily me, I never knew what I did.
45:00
Speaker 2: So I almost like even going to the grocery store,
45:03
Speaker 2: and if i'd pass a man, I'm like, Okay, I
45:06
Speaker 2: don't want to smile like too big because I don't
45:09
Speaker 2: want to lead him on. But then if I look mad,
45:12
Speaker 2: will I upset him. So it's been a long road,
45:15
Speaker 2: and even like you know, this is twelve years later,
45:19
Speaker 2: I still find myself double checking locks. I still analyze
45:24
Speaker 2: every person, but about and kind of going backwards, Like
45:28
Speaker 2: five years after the event, I thought I was doing
45:31
Speaker 2: really well, and then I was interviewed on Tony Blauer's podcast,
45:34
Speaker 2: which I don't know if you know who he is,
45:36
Speaker 2: but he's incredible in the self defense world. And by
45:40
Speaker 2: the end of it, like he had picked up on
45:42
Speaker 2: a lot of cues that like I was not maybe
45:45
Speaker 2: doing as well as I thought I was, And so
45:47
Speaker 2: he asked me if I wanted to connect with a
45:49
Speaker 2: therapist he knew, and I was like, okay, yeah, anybody,
45:53
Speaker 2: anybody you recommend, And so I connected with that therapist
45:57
Speaker 2: and from the first call, I was like, oh my Gosh,
46:01
Speaker 2: this person is different. And he was so kind and
46:05
Speaker 2: so compassionate, and like took time to explain my nervous system,
46:09
Speaker 2: which was shocking to me because in five years and
46:13
Speaker 2: probably seeing at least four therapists, nobody had explained to
46:17
Speaker 2: me my nervous system, which is crazy. And so him
46:23
Speaker 2: even just explaining that gave me like compassion towards myself
46:27
Speaker 2: because I was like, now I understand why I'm experiencing
46:32
Speaker 2: the things I'm experienced that I can't control. I can't
46:34
Speaker 2: just think I'm safe, like my body does not feel safe.
46:39
Speaker 2: And eventually I got my nervous system to calm down,
46:43
Speaker 2: and then that led me to realizing other things in
46:45
Speaker 2: my life that I wasn't aware of that were at play,
46:48
Speaker 2: like perfectionism and people pleasing. And so this event really
46:53
Speaker 2: became a catalyst for me not just to heal from
46:56
Speaker 2: this event, but to heal these other things that I
47:00
Speaker 2: had no idea were really holding me back from really
47:04
Speaker 2: being my true self. And began this journey of self
47:07
Speaker 2: exploration and yeah.
47:10
Speaker 3: Wow, sometimes it's really just like finding the right therapist
47:14
Speaker 3: or right person and can take such a long time
47:18
Speaker 3: the healing journey, and it I'm so glad that you
47:20
Speaker 3: spoke about that. So it strikes me that you and
47:23
Speaker 3: your husband went through this together. Obviously you had, you know,
47:27
Speaker 3: your own experiences, and you know, you pointed out the
47:30
Speaker 3: differences even though you were a team that you know,
47:33
Speaker 3: you were really the person that was targeted. I'm wondering,
47:37
Speaker 3: you know, and I don't want to create the narrative
47:40
Speaker 3: for you, but I'm just really curious how you see that,
47:43
Speaker 3: you know, the fact that you went through this trauma together.
47:46
Speaker 3: How was that experience informative on you know, the healing process.
47:51
Speaker 3: Was that a collaborative thing or what was that?
47:54
Speaker 2: Like, it's crazy the things that happened that night, that
47:58
Speaker 2: happened exactly as they did for the outcome to be
48:02
Speaker 2: what it was, you know, exactly when my dogs woke up,
48:04
Speaker 2: the fact that Kyle's car wasn't there. And so I
48:08
Speaker 2: really do think, and this might sound really freaking cheesy,
48:11
Speaker 2: but like there was so much gratitude that we were
48:14
Speaker 2: all safe and okay and honestly that he was gone.
48:18
Speaker 2: So I think that was the layer of it. But
48:19
Speaker 2: when you're so close to like losing each other, like
48:24
Speaker 2: so close, that was such a bonding thing. For both
48:29
Speaker 2: of us. It was really the later years where like
48:32
Speaker 2: because in the beginning we both struggled very similarly. But
48:36
Speaker 2: it's been in the more later years where I have
48:41
Speaker 2: struggles when maybe he doesn't. But then we still have
48:44
Speaker 2: some similar struggles too, Like we just went on our
48:46
Speaker 2: first family vacation, just the four of us, eleven years
48:50
Speaker 2: after the event.
48:52
Speaker 1: And so this, you know, you've been on this healing journey.
48:56
Speaker 1: This happened, like you said, twelve years ago, and you
48:59
Speaker 1: recently wrote a book. I would love for you to
49:01
Speaker 1: tell us more about it.
49:03
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, you know, I never intended to write
49:07
Speaker 2: a book about it. You know, media focuses on the
49:10
Speaker 2: sensationalism of a story, which I understand, but I think
49:14
Speaker 2: what's so beautiful and intriguing and interesting and inspiring is
49:18
Speaker 2: when we can see how somebody rebuilds after that, so
49:21
Speaker 2: we can see ourselves in that. And so I eventually
49:24
Speaker 2: was like, I need to share my story of again
49:28
Speaker 2: after and it's not just about healing from PTSD. It
49:31
Speaker 2: was about running into these you know, little t traumas
49:35
Speaker 2: that it exposed me to and being able to apply
49:37
Speaker 2: the work that I learned with my therapist Jeff in
49:40
Speaker 2: the nervous system to these other things. And I love
49:45
Speaker 2: a good self development personal development book. I've read them
49:48
Speaker 2: all so much. I don't like but here's your five
49:51
Speaker 2: steps of healing. Here's ten steps of healing. You know,
49:54
Speaker 2: I learn through listening to story and you know, taking
49:59
Speaker 2: that wisdom and insight and then being able to like
50:02
Speaker 2: see they can do it. And so that is the
50:05
Speaker 2: intention of the book, is to share our story in
50:08
Speaker 2: my words and then the path after and hope that
50:13
Speaker 2: whoever is reading it can you know, find themselves in
50:16
Speaker 2: their own way, because what I have learned is even
50:18
Speaker 2: though my experience is unique, we've all gone through something
50:22
Speaker 2: and at the root our similar feelings and emotions and struggles,
50:26
Speaker 2: and so everyone can find themselves in that.
50:30
Speaker 3: What's your book called? I don't think you mentioned the title.
50:33
Speaker 2: The Mother of All Days?
50:35
Speaker 1: The Mother of all Days. Part of what we were
50:39
Speaker 1: thinking so much about when we developed this show is
50:41
Speaker 1: like this idea that when you're the victim of a crime,
50:44
Speaker 1: you're dropped into the story that then you have to
50:47
Speaker 1: go and finish. But like you didn't start it. And
50:51
Speaker 1: I think you know what you just said about like
50:54
Speaker 1: the purpose behind your book really speaks so much to
50:57
Speaker 1: like when we watch people rebuild is when we really
51:00
Speaker 1: see ourselves and others. And I just really appreciate you
51:03
Speaker 1: sharing all of that with us.
51:05
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. They appreciate it.
51:12
Speaker 3: Wow. What an interview with Tennyson.
51:14
Speaker 1: That was so intense, And you know, we were listening
51:18
Speaker 1: to her retelling it years after the thought, so I
51:21
Speaker 1: can only imagine how it feels to have lived it.
51:23
Speaker 3: I can't imagine. It was. Yeah, very visual, very intense,
51:27
Speaker 3: and very touching to me. So I'd never heard of
51:30
Speaker 3: this story. You found it? What is your connection to Tennyson? Yeah?
51:34
Speaker 1: This was when I didn't come across it in any
51:36
Speaker 1: sort of research rabbit Hole. My friend Laura actually worked
51:40
Speaker 1: with Tennyson at one point during when this happened, So
51:42
Speaker 1: she told me about the story and I went ahead
51:44
Speaker 1: and reached out.
51:45
Speaker 3: I'm so glad that Tennyson agreed to speak with us.
51:47
Speaker 3: There's so much that we actually want to get into
51:50
Speaker 3: to talk about in this outro. There were so many
51:54
Speaker 3: points in this story that brought up other rabbit Hole
51:57
Speaker 3: conversations that you and I were just like, oh my gosh,
52:00
Speaker 3: what about this? What about this? I mean, one of
52:03
Speaker 3: the major things is just the overt like violence against
52:08
Speaker 3: women that you see on full display here, and how
52:11
Speaker 3: truly horrible and terrifying that is that this random man
52:16
Speaker 3: targeted her like she's literally done nothing wrong and then
52:19
Speaker 3: was attacked in her own home.
52:22
Speaker 1: I mean, not many of us experience having someone invade
52:26
Speaker 1: her home and physically attack us. But that moment in
52:29
Speaker 1: the interview when she talked about walking through a grocery
52:32
Speaker 1: store and giving a second thought to every interaction she
52:36
Speaker 1: had with a man. Did I look at him? Was
52:38
Speaker 1: I too friendly? Was I not friendly enough? I mean
52:40
Speaker 1: that is a universal feeling for most women.
52:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, and usually it's like maybe this feeling of being uncomfortable,
52:49
Speaker 3: but for her like is connected to like such physical
52:52
Speaker 3: violence that Yeah, it's really scary. You found an article
52:57
Speaker 3: that gave a little more information about out the investigation.
53:01
Speaker 3: What did you find out in that article?
53:04
Speaker 1: Well, you know this person, Ken Boonstra. I think Tennyson
53:09
Speaker 1: mentions that they never quite figured out why he pinpointed her,
53:13
Speaker 1: when it happened or where, which is scary in and
53:16
Speaker 1: of itself. But he had gone through a really difficult
53:20
Speaker 1: divorce and it seems like mentally deteriorated in some way
53:25
Speaker 1: had some sort of mental health issue that wasn't being
53:29
Speaker 1: treated despite his family's attempts to help, and so he
53:32
Speaker 1: was estranged from them. He was posting a lot on
53:35
Speaker 1: YouTube about you know, nonsensical, very hateful rants against women,
53:41
Speaker 1: and probably hallucinations he was having. It sounds like, you know,
53:45
Speaker 1: but he was a father of five and at one
53:48
Speaker 1: point gainfully employed and happily married, and so his life
53:53
Speaker 1: fell apart, and he fell apart too. You know, there's
53:57
Speaker 1: no excuse for what happened. Was one of the some
54:00
Speaker 1: of the things that we thought so much about in
54:02
Speaker 1: the edit is balancing Tennison's very authentic fear and experience
54:09
Speaker 1: in her husband's very authentic fear and experience with the
54:12
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, this is someone's father and someone's
54:16
Speaker 1: son and he's.
54:18
Speaker 3: On having a mental health crisis, a mental.
54:21
Speaker 1: Health crisis, and so we had so many conversations throughout
54:25
Speaker 1: this editing process for those reasons.
54:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the things in line with that that
54:30
Speaker 3: really sticks out to me about Tennyson's telling of this
54:34
Speaker 3: story is this fear that she had, even after it
54:38
Speaker 3: was clear he was not physically capable of fighting. Once
54:42
Speaker 3: they had, like you know she'd stabbed him. There was
54:45
Speaker 3: this intense fear that she felt that at any moment
54:48
Speaker 3: he could pop back up and attack her again. Even
54:51
Speaker 3: after he had been taken out of the house, she's showering,
54:54
Speaker 3: you know, days months later, this intense fear that she
54:58
Speaker 3: had that suddenly he would appear. And we've heard that
55:01
Speaker 3: before from different people we've interviewed. I'm just thinking about
55:04
Speaker 3: Jackie's interview. Jackie, who was survivor of a hijacked plane
55:09
Speaker 3: and you know, months later, is back in the States,
55:12
Speaker 3: but still feeling like the hijacker is around the corner.
55:15
Speaker 3: And so I think that that just is a very
55:17
Speaker 3: real experience that people have, especially when they're victims of
55:21
Speaker 3: a very violent crime.
55:23
Speaker 1: Right It's like in her in her husband's you know,
55:26
Speaker 1: rational minds, they knew that he had died and he
55:29
Speaker 1: would not be back, but the fear lives in your body.
55:32
Speaker 1: This being alone in your home once felt safe and
55:36
Speaker 1: you know, you don't even need to lock your doors,
55:37
Speaker 1: and now you wonder, did I look at someone the
55:40
Speaker 1: wrong way? Are they coming to get me for some
55:43
Speaker 1: reason I'll never know. You know, he showed up with
55:46
Speaker 1: gloves on and supplies that someone might have with them
55:49
Speaker 1: if they had a really bad plan in mind, and
55:53
Speaker 1: a lot of our decisions about what to leave in
55:56
Speaker 1: despite maybe the graphic nature of the tape was because
56:00
Speaker 1: because it was fair to her, because you know, this
56:02
Speaker 1: person ends up dying. But she did this in self
56:05
Speaker 1: defense totally, and that's part of her story.
56:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
56:09
Speaker 1: So Tennyson mentioned that they had both a baseball bat
56:12
Speaker 1: and wasp spray by their bedside just in case. Her
56:17
Speaker 1: husband worked as a firefighter, you probably see a lot,
56:20
Speaker 1: and so she had him bring that wasp spray when
56:23
Speaker 1: the dogs initially woke up, just in case. We did
56:26
Speaker 1: a little research and it looks like waspspray is not
56:31
Speaker 1: necessarily thought to be effective on humans, although it functions
56:34
Speaker 1: sort of like pepper spray. With wasps, you're better off
56:38
Speaker 1: with just pepper spray. If you're thinking that it's to
56:42
Speaker 1: be a self defense mechanism, that's great to know.
56:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to do a quick shout out to
56:48
Speaker 3: Lola and Lily. They're two little dogs that did not
56:52
Speaker 3: do anything to protect them, but you know, had to
56:54
Speaker 3: get up and go to the bathroom in the middle
56:56
Speaker 3: of the night. This is the whole reason they got
56:58
Speaker 3: out of bed, that her husband got out of bed.
57:00
Speaker 3: You know, we just we loved dogs, the Yorkies.
57:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
57:03
Speaker 1: Well there was that moment and the tape when I
57:05
Speaker 1: was like, wow, so did they like sense that he
57:08
Speaker 1: was in the house and started barking? And she was
57:11
Speaker 1: like no, they just had to go out every night
57:13
Speaker 1: at like one point thirty.
57:14
Speaker 3: It was really good noise, literally what they do every
57:16
Speaker 3: single night. Oh my god. Wow, they've since gotten a
57:20
Speaker 3: bigger dog, which wasn't talked about feeling like as part
57:24
Speaker 3: of her healing process. But I was like, well, you know,
57:26
Speaker 3: the Yorkies at least they had to pee, and that
57:28
Speaker 3: did play a role in this whole thing.
57:30
Speaker 1: I mean they they went back to bed, the Yorkies.
57:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, we're out of here.
57:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was the moment of levity in otherwise pretty
57:42
Speaker 1: heavy interview. Yeah, and then there was the sort of
57:45
Speaker 1: mystery that remains is how did he get back into
57:49
Speaker 1: the house because we know from Tennyson that when they
57:52
Speaker 1: went to dinner that night, when they made that decision, Okay,
57:54
Speaker 1: we're gonna stick to the plan. We're going to go
57:56
Speaker 1: have this family dinner, they're triple checking. They're locking all
57:58
Speaker 1: the windows, they're locking all the as we would, and
58:02
Speaker 1: then they come back and before she goes to bed,
58:05
Speaker 1: she does it all again and then does.
58:07
Speaker 3: It multiple times, which is exactly what I would do too. Yeah,
58:10
Speaker 3: she's checking every single window lock, she's checking all the doors,
58:14
Speaker 3: She's making sure this house is secure. Yeah, and investigators
58:19
Speaker 3: said that there was no sign of forced entry.
58:21
Speaker 1: Right, So it's like, well, she said her sister speculated
58:25
Speaker 1: maybe he was in the house the whole time, but
58:27
Speaker 1: you know, she thought maybe that was unlikely.
58:30
Speaker 3: I guess it's possible. It's pretty creepy. Well, we talked
58:33
Speaker 3: about this, like the dogs. The dogs would have potentially
58:36
Speaker 3: smelled him or known that he was there.
58:39
Speaker 1: It sounds like he had a strong scent and would
58:41
Speaker 1: have been hard for him to go unnoticed.
58:44
Speaker 3: Yes, and then there's the fact that you know, Kyle's
58:47
Speaker 3: body had taken his truck. So normally when Kyle was home,
58:50
Speaker 3: his car was always in the driveway. That evening, Kyle
58:52
Speaker 3: was home and his truck was not in the driveway,
58:55
Speaker 3: which it sounds like it was incredibly unusual. So you
58:57
Speaker 3: have to speculate that if you were case the house,
59:00
Speaker 3: he would think, oh, he's not home, I'm going to
59:03
Speaker 3: come back and take advantage of the fact that this
59:05
Speaker 3: like CrossFit man is not in the house.
59:08
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, I mean I loved that moment of Tennison explaining,
59:12
Speaker 1: like I think, in her words said it sounded cheesy.
59:14
Speaker 1: I didn't think it sounded cheesy. There was this intense
59:17
Speaker 1: feeling of gratitude, this really strong feeling of gratitude after
59:21
Speaker 1: it happened, because oh my god, we're all alive, we're
59:25
Speaker 1: all safe, the police are here. This could have gone
59:28
Speaker 1: so differently. And then you know her husband, who is
59:32
Speaker 1: less featured in all of the press about what happened
59:35
Speaker 1: that came out when it did happen, but he is
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Speaker 1: in this full body engagement struggle with this man for
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Speaker 1: many minutes before.
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Speaker 3: I think it was like.
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Speaker 1: In one of the articles said three to five minutes
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Speaker 1: before Tennison came out into the hallway. And if you
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Speaker 1: think about the physical stamina that that requires, and then
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Speaker 1: for it to have continued, I mean, he was the
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Speaker 1: man for the job, totally.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I liked how Tennyson made sure to give him
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Speaker 3: a shout out for asking for help, which I think
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Speaker 3: is so important and wonderful and one of the things
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Speaker 3: that I found really sweet about her story was unfortunately
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Speaker 3: tragically they both went through this horrible thing together, but
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Speaker 3: then it really brought them closer. So many times we
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Speaker 3: hear stories about a person individually going through something traumatic
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Speaker 3: and have heard many times about how that can make
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Speaker 3: their relationship difficult because they're dealing with the trauma and
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Speaker 3: they're trying to heal from it. And in this case,
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Speaker 3: they went through it together and we're so much a
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Speaker 3: team in getting out of it and saving their own lives.
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Speaker 3: And then sounds like they really like banded together through
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Speaker 3: the healing process, which I think is really beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so many people I think also just anecdotally,
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Speaker 1: and you know, we hear about men being less willing
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Speaker 1: to seek out therapy or those types of resources, and
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Speaker 1: it sounds like as a family, they really sought out
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Speaker 1: professional help and stayed on that journey until, like she said,
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Speaker 1: they're in a place they recently went on their first
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Speaker 1: solo vacation as a family, which is so amazing and we.
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Speaker 3: Love it, Yeah, love it.
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Speaker 1: There was so much happening in that interview, and we
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Speaker 1: do so many interviews, but that was like, that was
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Speaker 1: one that will stick with me for a long time.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm same. Well that was our interview and we
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