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Ellie Hiller | The Clydesdale Media Semifinalist Series · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  I was born to kill it.
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  I was meant to win.
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  I am down and willing,
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  so I will find a way.
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  It took a minute,
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  now it didn't have to ride away.
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  When it get hot in the kitchen,
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  you decide to stay.
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  That's how it win us, man.
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  Stick a fork in the head of Ramadan.
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  What is going on, everybody?
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  Welcome to the Clydesdale Media Podcast,
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  where we are featuring the
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  athletes of the 2024
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  CrossFit Games Semifinals.
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  So excited to talk to my next guest,
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  Ellie Hiller.
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  Ellie, how you doing?
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  I'm pumped to be here.
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  It was fun two years ago
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  when I got to do it, so.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  So I guess that's a great
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  question right off the bat is,
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  what happened in 23?
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  Yeah, good question.
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  Um, what happened in 23?
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  It really the the strength
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  of it is what kept me out.
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  I was really happy with all
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  my scores and the other
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  other workouts except for
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  for one that I should have repeated.
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  But yeah,
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  I just had to get a lot stronger.
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  That's what I've been
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  working on the past seven years.
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  So glad I finally made it
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  only seven years.
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  Only seven.
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  Well, yeah, only seven.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's been a long journey,
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  but it makes it more rewarding though.
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  When I do make it because I
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  know like I have to have
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  been hammering that about
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  as hard as I could.
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  Cause you can only get so strong,
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  honestly.
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  Like I feel like with
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  building an aerobic base,
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  not to say it's easier to
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  insult anyone that that's
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  their weakness because I don't,
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  nothing's easy in CrossFit,
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  but it just takes a long time, man,
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  to get stronger.
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  It really does.
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  Yeah,
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  so what's funny is all of my co-hosts
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  are athletes like you.
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  They're trying to build the
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  strength portion of their repertoire.
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  Jamie on my Sunday night
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  show now and Carolyn
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  Prevost are both great athletes,
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  and they're trying to build
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  that strength up,
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  and that's the only thing
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  holding them back from great success.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, well, Carolyn,
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  I know her from competing
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  against her at Atlas Games
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  and then way back in the
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  day at Granite Games when I
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  was a little baby, and she's strong.
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  So if she's having to get stronger, yeah,
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  that says a lot.
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  She's already a really strong girl.
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  Yeah,
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  what amazes me about her is just her
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  athleticism because of all
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  the sports she played
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  growing up and into the
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  college Division I level and all of that.
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  But, yeah,
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  it's just fun talking to her
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  because she's worked a lot
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  on strength over the years.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  She's so impressive.
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  I remember, shout out to her, like I said,
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  back at Granite Games when I was like 16.
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  I could barely deadlift.
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  We had like a deadlift workout.
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  I was like 285.
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  I could barely lift it.
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  I had no idea who she was.
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  And I was the last on the floor.
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  And she was just over there
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  like giving me tips,
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  really like rooting for me.
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  I saw the teacher come out in her.
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  And from that moment on,
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  I've been a fan of hers
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  forever just because I
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  remember how she treated me.
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  And it really meant a lot.
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  Yeah.
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  So, and when I say strength with Carolyn,
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  it's shoulder to overhead.
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  Yeah.
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  Like she's one of the best
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  deadlifters in the world.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, but she crushed it.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, but speaking of like the,
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  the teacher coming out in her,
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  one of the things she takes
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  a lot of pride in is that
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  she's a full-time employee, um,
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  working full-time hours and
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  still trying to do this
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  crazy thing called CrossFit
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  at a pro level.
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  Yeah.
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  you too work a full-time job
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  and squeeze all these training hours,
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  not only into training for CrossFit,
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  but running your own business as well.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  I am a nurse by trade.
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  So that is my job that I
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  graduated with a degree for.
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  And I also own my own business.
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  So I find a lot of joy in
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  having a career and
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  um,
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  things outside of CrossFit to kind of
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  help me just stay a little,
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  stay balanced.
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  Um, by no means is it easy.
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  There are days where I'm like, man,
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  it would be nice to be good
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  enough to be a full-time athlete.
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  But, um, I, I really do.
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  I,
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  I think I will say this forever and
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  never go back on it.
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  Um,
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  regardless of how far I may get in the
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  sport, I really,
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  really love having a career.
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  So,
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  and do you still work as a nurse today?
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  I do.
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  I started out in emergency
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  nursing and that became a
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  little bit too difficult to
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  juggle with training just
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  with 12 hour shifts and everything.
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  And you end up staying later
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  than 12 hours in emergency medicine.
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  So I now work part time in
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  pediatric anesthesia.
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  So it's outpatient and the
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  hours start really early.
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  So it's like five or six a.m.,
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  but then we get done at
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  like one or two typically.
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  So it's really nice for training.
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  Yeah,
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  it seems like I've had a couple
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  surgeries this year and
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  they're all super early in the morning.
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  Like doctors want to get in, get out.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, and the other thing too is like,
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  you know, you have to fast.
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  So we want to make it a
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  little bit easier on the patient,
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  especially if it's a little kid,
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  easier on the parents so that, you know,
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  they can just wake up,
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  have the surgery and not
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  have to fast all day.
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  Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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  Yeah.
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  You own a nutrition company named Vulcan.
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  Why the name Vulcan?
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  Yeah, so I'm in Birmingham, Alabama.
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  Are you coming to the to the games,
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  the Masters games, by the way?
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  Of course I am.
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  OK, awesome.
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  I'll see you there.
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  So live in Birmingham and we have a.
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  I don't even know what you call it,
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  but it's like a statue kind
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  of overlooking the city.
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  And it's a really popular tourist spot,
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  but it's called the Vulcan statue.
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  And so if you've ever been to Birmingham,
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  you've probably seen
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  pictures of it all over downtown,
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  like murals and stuff.
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  But it basically has to do
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  with Birmingham being like the iron city,
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  which then became like the magic city.
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  And Vulcan has something to
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  do with Greek mythology, the god of like
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  iron which I'm not into that
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  uh but I just thought it
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  was cool to call it vulcan
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  and make it a kind of a
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  shout out to to birmingham
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  so so yeah I've never I've
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  never stopped in birmingham
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  I've driven through yeah on
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  the way to florida better
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  destination and um but I i
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  don't know I have so many
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  questions right now um and
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  I don't know which way to go
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  anyway we're not redneck if
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  that's where you're if
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  that's where your head is
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  going people think we're
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  really redneck but well I i
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  went through your instagram
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  you're a ttt athlete are
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  you still with them I am I
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  am and you're wearing north
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  carolina blue and north
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  carolina shirts but you
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  live in birmingham did you
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  go to college in north carolina
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  No,
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  I actually went to college at Samford
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  university here in Birmingham.
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  Everybody off.
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  Yeah.
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  So I went to a basketball
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  camp in North Carolina at UNC,
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  became a huge fan through
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  the basketball program.
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  But to be perfectly honest with you,
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  I have a problem where I
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  just buy shirts that I like
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  the colors of that team.
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  And it's honestly like a problem.
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  I wear Indiana shirts.
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  I have no affiliation to Indiana,
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  like same thing with kind
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  of UNC other than that camp.
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  So people make fun of me for it.
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  It's kind of a problem.
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  Yeah,
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  the only pair of Air Jordans I ever
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  owned were North Carolina version.
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  They're so pretty.
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  Their colors are the best, hands down.
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  If you look, like,
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  our blue is the Carolina blue.
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  Yes, I noticed that.
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  I love it.
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  That's my business colors as well.
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  Yeah, I did notice that.
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  Yeah.
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  Corey Leonard's in the chat
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  saying Ellie is incredibly friendly,
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  friendly and cheerful.
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  We did handstand pushups
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  next to each other at the
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  Southland camp in February.
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  I had no idea who she was
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  until I saw the video Hiller made.
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  Just knew she was super friendly.
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  Hey, Corey, he's he's in all the chats.
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  I love it.
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  Thanks for the shout outs.
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  Yeah, he's I supposedly he has a job.
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  I don't know what it is.
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  I've gotten to know corey he
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  actually was my roommate at
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  masters fitness collective
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  no way um we hung out
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  together that was the first
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  time we ever met in person
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  and uh got to know him he
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  killed it up there he's a
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  fit guy he's really fit and
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  he says I promise you I do
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  actually work we believe
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  you corey I'm you make us
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  look good in the chat thank you so
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  So I'm super excited because I'm actually,
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  I'm pretty sure,
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  pretty sure I'm going to be
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  in Knoxville as well.
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  Nice.
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  So I'll be covering the event there.
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  You have a year where you don't make it.
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  You're back at it again.
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  Does it mean more to you
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  this time around or the
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  first time at Atlas Games?
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  That's a good question.
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  Yeah.
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  I think it's in different ways.
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  So in Atlas Games, I was a backfill.
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  I got the call about, honestly,
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  a month after everyone else
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  found out they had made it.
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  And so it was kind of like, oh, my gosh,
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  this is awesome.
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  I had already come to terms
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  with not making it.
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  So it was just a surprise.
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  But I...
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  This year, making it, I knew I really,
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  really earned it.
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  And so that, I would have to say,
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  is a little bit sweeter.
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  Not that I didn't.
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  I worked my butt off the
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  first time I qualified.
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  But I have done nothing but
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  try as hard as I possibly
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  can to fill my holes.
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  And I really couldn't
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  confidently say I left
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  nothing on the table this past year.
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  My execution in
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  quarterfinals was about as
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  perfect as it could have been.
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  And I'm not one to really
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  say things like that.
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  Um,
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  so really I would have to say this year
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  means more, um, just because, you know,
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  I got 28 in quarterfinals
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  and it wasn't even really
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  close to a backfill, which I kind of,
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  to be honest with you,
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  I went into the
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  quarterfinals this year
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  thinking I was going to be
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  a backfill again,
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  which I know is not the best mindset, but,
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  um, it really meant a lot when I was like,
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  oh, I comfortably made it.
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  That's awesome.
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  So.
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  Yeah.
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  And in the East,
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  which is probably the
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  hardest and a reduced field
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  this year where they only
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  took 40 instead of 60.
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  Yeah.
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  So super impressive.
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  I was really thankful.
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  Yeah.
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  I have a really great
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  support system down here and yeah,
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  just really thankful to God
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  for a healthy year and that
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  I'm still loving it, enjoying it.
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  So hopefully I can go and do
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  the same at semifinals.
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  So for years you were on a team.
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  Um, you're on a team with your husband.
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  Is that correct?
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  One year we went to the Mac.
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  It was in 2021.
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  So what,
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  what made you change your mind two
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  years ago to all of a
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  sudden go individual?
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  That has always been the goal individual.
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  Um,
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  my teammates that I have been on teams
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  with, uh,
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  have always been really gracious
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  to allow me to give individual a shot.
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  And then if I don't make it, you know,
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  I go team.
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  Um, it's always been the plan B, but.
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  that's really not the best
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  approach like for anyone on a team,
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  right?
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  Like you want someone to be pretty,
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  pretty committed from the
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  start in my opinion.
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  Um,
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  so I've been blessed with teammates
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  that have allowed me to do that.
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  When I don't make it,
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  I have that as a fallback plan.
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  Um, but it has always been individual.
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  Um, and just with my skillset,
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  I'm not a great team athlete.
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  Um,
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  because I would argue that
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  good team athletes are
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  people who are powerful and
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  strong and can work for
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  short bursts of time with
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  the rare exception of, you know,
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  running events at the games
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  and stuff like that.
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  But typically a team athlete,
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  you need to be pretty
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  strong and powerful.
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  And so that's the opposite of me.
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  And so I've always just been
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  more inclined to do individual anyway.
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  And that's kind of how I
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  grew up playing sports.
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  So it kind of just fits better.
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  What was it like being on a
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  team with your husband?
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  um uh where do I start my
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  husband and I we get along
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  so well so it's not like um
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  it's just funny because
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  there were so many times
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  where I like I'm the
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  problem every time I'll be
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  the first to say like if we
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  got into any spat in
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  training it was always me like
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  And I'm being dead serious.
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  It was just like,
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  it would be a strength for me.
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  We'd be doing handstand pushes,
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  for example.
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  That's a strength for me.
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  And if I'm paired with him, you know,
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  that's not his strength.
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  That's his weakness.
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  And
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  I've had to go back and apologize for this,
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  but I'm like expecting him
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  to be at my level for my
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  best movement and his worst movement.
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  And so then I'll kind of like start,
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  I'll start counting down.
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  Right.
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  Like I'll do the like three, two, one,
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  like we're going to get
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  back on the wall and he's
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  totally not ready.
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  And so then we're just like
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  nipping at each other.
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  And I'm like, this is completely my fault.
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  This is not how you work on a team.
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  So we would have our,
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  our fair share of moments like that.
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  But overall it was an amazing experience.
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  It's just,
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  it was interesting just because
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  you have to kind of,
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  learn to compartmentalize,
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  which is not really how
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  I've ever gone about
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  anything in our relationship.
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  But it's kind of like,
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  there's a time where he
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  just needs to be my
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  teammate and we need to leave the,
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  we just need to act like teammates,
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  you know, not a married couple.
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  So it was interesting.
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  It was interesting.
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  Yeah,
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  my wife and I can't even do a partner
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  workout and survive.
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  I am ultra competitive.
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  She could care less if we win.
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  The minute it starts, it goes south.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, so we try to avoid that at all costs,
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  but it's funny.
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  I talked to, um,
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  Emily Rolfe and her husband, Kyle.
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  Yeah.
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  And Kyle tells,
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  told me a story where they
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  have to compartmentalize
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  cause he's her coach.
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  And like,
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  he had to be really hard on her
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  at right before she went
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  out on the floor for something.
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  And then he said, while the event started,
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  I'm writing the apology via text, um,
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  oh my gosh I think that
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  actually I am so impressed
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  by people that can do the
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  coaching husband and wife
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  thing tia and shane emily
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  and her husband um there's
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  a couple down here in
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  birmingham they did it for
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  a long time and I'm just
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  like I i don't know how
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  people do that it takes a
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  lot of emotional um
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  awareness and just a really
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  high emotional IQ,
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  I think to be able to say, all right,
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  this is my coach speaking,
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  not my husband.
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  And it's not personal.
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  He wants what's best for me, man.
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  That is, that is tough.
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  I respect people that can do that.
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  Yeah.
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  My gym owners are married.
• 15:00
  It's,
• 15:01
  and it's Christy Aramo O'Connell and
• 15:04
  their, their coach athlete, husband, wife,
• 15:07
  and they always seem to be getting along.
• 15:09
  I don't know.
• 15:11
  how they do it.
• 15:12
  But anyway, I also look through your,
• 15:17
  the Vulcan, um,
• 15:19
  IG and I see your mom on there a bunch.
• 15:22
  Yeah.
• 15:23
  So do you work with her with that company?
• 15:25
  Uh,
• 15:27
  Yeah, that's funny.
• 15:28
  She not it.
• 15:30
  I don't work with her at all.
• 15:31
  It's really just a product
• 15:32
  of she found that her I
• 15:35
  don't even want to say fan base.
• 15:36
  She has a huge following.
• 15:37
  She's like 100,000 something followers.
• 15:40
  Her following really was
• 15:42
  interested in nutrition.
• 15:43
  She found that some of the
• 15:44
  content which she would
• 15:45
  have me on her podcast.
• 15:46
  Or even just have me like
• 15:48
  put out something on a reel.
• 15:50
  They really responded well to it.
• 15:52
  And I think I took for
• 15:54
  granted the fact that just
• 15:55
  the spheres I'm in,
• 15:56
  in health care and then in CrossFit,
• 15:59
  people hear about nutrition, you know,
• 16:01
  kind of all the time.
• 16:01
  It's just common language.
• 16:03
  But then there's people who don't.
• 16:06
  hear proteins important
• 16:08
  often or the importance of
• 16:09
  strength training and so I
• 16:11
  found that her following
• 16:11
  was really receptive to
• 16:13
  that and they wanted to
• 16:13
  learn a lot so we just have
• 16:14
  started to produce more
• 16:16
  content together and it's
• 16:17
  been super rewarding and
• 16:19
  it's opened my eyes to not
• 16:20
  just take for granted just
• 16:22
  because I'm in the fitness
• 16:23
  world everyone knows that
• 16:24
  protein's important or kind
• 16:26
  of the simple things that
• 16:27
  we would say you know with nutrition.
• 16:29
  And, and please help me figure this out,
• 16:33
  but midlife something is
• 16:36
  what it's called.
• 16:37
  Yeah.
• 16:38
  So I created a course called
• 16:39
  Midlife Savvy and it's an,
• 16:41
  it's almost like a master,
• 16:42
  it's a masterclass essentially.
• 16:43
  If you've kind of seen the
• 16:44
  ad ads for any of those
• 16:46
  masterclasses from cooking or whatever,
• 16:49
  making sourdough bread.
• 16:50
  And it's,
• 16:51
  it's a course targeted to the
• 16:53
  midlife woman.
• 16:54
  So anyone who is anywhere,
• 16:57
  I would say midlife could
• 16:59
  technically even be like mid thirties,
• 17:00
  even though you're still super young.
• 17:03
  But then all the way up until like,
• 17:04
  you know, the seventies,
• 17:05
  just because there are specific,
• 17:08
  things that I think that
• 17:10
  demographic has been told
• 17:12
  from a nutrition and a
• 17:12
  lifestyle standpoint that
• 17:13
  are really just bad.
• 17:14
  Like don't lift weights,
• 17:17
  stay away from fat.
• 17:19
  Carbs are going to make you fat.
• 17:20
  You know, if you eat too much protein,
• 17:21
  you'll get bulky.
• 17:22
  If you strength train, you'll get bulky.
• 17:24
  So our goal is to really
• 17:25
  kind of like reverse those
• 17:26
  myths and just help women feel better,
• 17:30
  get help,
• 17:30
  become healthier and really know
• 17:32
  that the best years are not behind them.
• 17:34
  Just because you're 50,
• 17:35
  you can be the healthiest
• 17:36
  you've ever been at 50.
• 17:38
  Yeah,
• 17:39
  I watched the one with the sourdough
• 17:40
  bread.
• 17:41
  Yeah.
• 17:42
  And your mom was like the excellent,
• 17:44
  the perfect Vanna White
• 17:46
  showing off the sourdough.
• 17:48
  Yeah.
• 17:48
  As you were explaining that, you know,
• 17:50
  bread doesn't make you fat and that,
• 17:53
  you know,
• 17:53
  this only has a couple ingredients.
• 17:55
  And if you can just kind of
• 17:56
  keep that like that, everything's cool.
• 17:59
  Yeah.
• 17:59
  I mean,
• 18:01
  from what I've heard about that
• 18:02
  generation,
• 18:03
  they were all told like bread.
• 18:05
  bread is terrible.
• 18:05
  Stay away from bread.
• 18:06
  It's going to make you fat.
• 18:08
  You know, any type of carbs,
• 18:09
  stay away from all carbs.
• 18:10
  And it's like, no, like you can eat bread.
• 18:13
  It's just, if you eat too many calories,
• 18:15
  you'll, you'll gain weight.
• 18:16
  Yeah.
• 18:16
  But absolutely you can
• 18:17
  incorporate it into a healthy diet.
• 18:19
  So I am part of that generation.
• 18:21
  And so we were told everything we're told,
• 18:24
  you know, fat free diets, the way to go,
• 18:27
  then no carbs.
• 18:28
  Then like,
• 18:29
  it just kept cycling a different
• 18:31
  trend and none of them worked.
• 18:34
  yeah none of them worked it
• 18:36
  wasn't until like it became
• 18:39
  more balanced in my life
• 18:40
  that things worked for me
• 18:41
  so yep yeah you hear all
• 18:43
  the time the best plan is
• 18:45
  one that you can follow and
• 18:46
  I'm just I'm such a big
• 18:48
  proponent of that obviously
• 18:50
  there's better plans in my
• 18:51
  opinion than others even if
• 18:53
  you can follow both of them
• 18:54
  but sustainability is is
• 18:56
  the key or else we're not
• 18:57
  really helping people you
• 18:58
  know if people lose 30
• 19:00
  pounds and they're back
• 19:02
  three months later, even six months later,
• 19:04
  it's like, did you really help them?
• 19:06
  No, honestly,
• 19:07
  I would say you might've
• 19:08
  actually hurt them.
• 19:10
  Cause then you get in this
• 19:11
  rat race of like diet culture,
• 19:14
  diet industry of like,
• 19:15
  it's going to be this ebb
• 19:16
  and flow my whole life.
• 19:17
  And I don't think that's,
• 19:18
  I don't think that's
• 19:19
  helping people regardless
• 19:20
  of how much weight you lose three months.
• 19:23
  I love how you talk about your pillars.
• 19:25
  And the first pillar is that
• 19:27
  you shouldn't need us forever.
• 19:28
  Yeah.
• 19:30
  And that's so cool.
• 19:33
  I tell my coaches,
• 19:34
  I have three coaches on staff,
• 19:37
  not including myself.
• 19:38
  And I tell them, like,
• 19:38
  you're going to have to fire clients,
• 19:40
  you know, and that sounds like a terrible,
• 19:42
  terrible marketing strategy.
• 19:44
  But if they obviously we
• 19:46
  have a conversation, we're not just like,
• 19:47
  bye.
• 19:48
  But if they are doing this
• 19:50
  well on their own.
• 19:52
  that's the goal.
• 19:53
  Like fly out of the nest.
• 19:54
  We want you to do it on your own.
• 19:56
  If we're keeping you forever,
• 19:57
  then we're a crutch.
• 19:59
  And so, yeah.
• 19:59
  So I told my coaches, like,
• 20:01
  if you feel like they're
• 20:01
  good and you need to fire them,
• 20:04
  set them loose and give
• 20:05
  them the confidence to do
• 20:06
  it on their own.
• 20:08
  Did I,
• 20:08
  did I see in your Instagram that you
• 20:10
  are a former swimmer?
• 20:12
  Yeah, actually I am in high school.
• 20:15
  I swam, but I could never do it year,
• 20:17
  which I know you're a
• 20:18
  swimmer or you were a swimmer.
• 20:19
  Um, but I could never do it.
• 20:21
  I listened to your podcast.
• 20:24
  Oh, wow.
• 20:25
  Yeah.
• 20:26
  I think I've listened to a lot of yours.
• 20:27
  Um, and I really enjoy them, but yeah, no,
• 20:29
  I, uh,
• 20:30
  I never could swim year round
• 20:32
  because of basketball.
• 20:33
  Um, so I interfered,
• 20:34
  but I did summer swim and, um,
• 20:36
  I got a D three like D
• 20:39
  three schools were asking me to swim,
• 20:40
  but obviously you don't get
• 20:41
  scholarship money.
• 20:42
  So,
• 20:43
  Yeah.
• 20:44
  Yeah.
• 20:44
  I didn't swim a year round either.
• 20:46
  I,
• 20:46
  it just was with the sport I was best at,
• 20:48
  but I actually was a four sport athlete.
• 20:50
  Oh, wow.
• 20:51
  So I played football, swam, uh,
• 20:54
  did track and then baseball.
• 20:55
  Oh, dang.
• 20:56
  And those all are kind of
• 20:58
  conflicting seasons, I guess.
• 20:59
  You had to have run together
• 21:01
  with some of them.
• 21:03
  Like baseball was over and
• 21:05
  then I had like a month
• 21:06
  break before football season started.
• 21:09
  Yeah.
• 21:09
  Football ran over swimming.
• 21:11
  So as soon as it was done,
• 21:12
  I had to like jump in the
• 21:13
  pool and suffer for two
• 21:15
  weeks just to get into shape.
• 21:17
  Yeah.
• 21:18
  They need two different body types too,
• 21:20
  right?
• 21:21
  So like I had to,
• 21:22
  I would play football at
• 21:23
  over 200 pounds and I'd swim at 175.
• 21:26
  Oh my gosh.
• 21:27
  Yeah.
• 21:28
  That's insane.
• 21:30
  I can't imagine that.
• 21:32
  And it probably wasn't
• 21:33
  healthy and it probably
• 21:34
  taught me bad habits back then.
• 21:36
  I just, but as I keep preaching,
• 21:40
  I was a kid and I got to do
• 21:41
  all the things I like to do.
• 21:42
  I wasn't pigeonholed into one thing.
• 21:45
  And then I was good enough
• 21:46
  at swimming that I got a,
• 21:48
  I got a division one scholarship.
• 21:50
  That's outstanding.
• 21:51
  Where did you go?
• 21:51
  Ohio state.
• 21:53
  Okay.
• 21:53
  Yeah.
• 21:54
  My coach, Kyle Ruth, uh, swim in Indiana.
• 21:56
  So, uh, he's big into the swimming world.
• 21:58
  So you probably know about him.
• 22:00
  Yeah.
• 22:00
  I interviewed Kyle and we
• 22:01
  talked about that.
• 22:02
  Um,
• 22:03
  and he always loves the competition
• 22:04
  with a swim event.
• 22:06
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:07
  You don't even have to be D1
• 22:08
  level to typically win a
• 22:10
  swim event in CrossFit.
• 22:11
  So I love a swim event too
• 22:13
  because I'm definitely by
• 22:14
  no means as good as you two were.
• 22:16
  But I pretty much can always
• 22:17
  know I'll get top three if
• 22:19
  they're swimming.
• 22:19
  So really,
• 22:21
  really wish there were more of that.
• 22:24
  What's funny is I've been a
• 22:26
  judge in the sport.
• 22:27
  And watching people swim,
• 22:30
  I get like twitchy.
• 22:32
  Yeah.
• 22:33
  And I watched your video of you swimming.
• 22:35
  You know how to swim.
• 22:36
  Yeah.
• 22:37
  There are a lot of
• 22:38
  CrossFitters that do not
• 22:39
  have that skill at all.
• 22:41
  And it's wild how much efficiency matters.
• 22:45
  Like, I...
• 22:46
  We went to,
• 22:47
  at that Southland camp that
• 22:48
  Corey was talking about,
• 22:49
  we had a session where we
• 22:50
  went to the pool and
• 22:50
  there's some really
• 22:51
  athletic people that are
• 22:52
  swimming a 25 and they are
• 22:55
  more out of breath than if they had done,
• 22:56
  you know, 50 burpees for time.
• 22:58
  I'm like, this is insane to me.
• 23:00
  Like, you know, you do a 25 and we're,
• 23:03
  you're not even breathing at all.
• 23:05
  It's a,
• 23:06
  it's crazy how big of a difference
• 23:07
  skill makes in swimming.
• 23:09
  Yeah.
• 23:09
  You should be relaxed when you swim.
• 23:11
  Yeah.
• 23:11
  Yeah.
• 23:13
  And it should be long
• 23:14
  strides unless you're doing a sprint,
• 23:17
  which never really happens in CrossFit.
• 23:20
  Right, right.
• 23:20
  Yeah.
• 23:22
  I wish it would pop up more,
• 23:24
  but I got to make it to the games,
• 23:25
  I guess, before I ever can do that.
• 23:27
  Corey says, man, he's talking about me.
• 23:32
  Nah.
• 23:33
  Well,
• 23:34
  when we got to Masters Fitness Collective,
• 23:36
  there was a swimming event.
• 23:38
  I think Corey just didn't want to drown.
• 23:40
  That was like his only goal.
• 23:43
  That's a good goal.
• 23:43
  And he didn't drown.
• 23:46
  That's a good goal.
• 23:46
  I mean,
• 23:47
  I know in some competitions like at
• 23:48
  Granite Games,
• 23:49
  they actually gave people
• 23:50
  like life jackets or little floaties,
• 23:52
  which it, you know,
• 23:54
  it's kind of embarrassing.
• 23:56
  Everyone would say like,
• 23:56
  I don't want to attach this
• 23:58
  floatie to myself.
• 23:59
  But I mean, it was an 800 meter swim.
• 24:00
  I'm like, you're out in a pond.
• 24:02
  You better,
• 24:02
  you better use it if you don't
• 24:03
  know how to swim or you're in trouble.
• 24:05
  Yeah, I mean,
• 24:05
  think about old-school CrossFit.
• 24:08
  Like, hey, easy,
• 24:09
  go out there and swim in this ocean.
• 24:11
  Yeah.
• 24:11
  You can't swim.
• 24:12
  And then he's, like,
• 24:15
  hanging onto a paddleboard
• 24:16
  for life in the middle of the ocean.
• 24:19
  And ocean swimming is not –
• 24:20
  I don't care how good of a
• 24:21
  pool swimmer you are.
• 24:22
  Ocean swimming can expose you as well.
• 24:24
  It's so different.
• 24:25
  It beats you up in ways if
• 24:27
  you're not used to it.
• 24:28
  Yeah.
• 24:29
  Yeah.
• 24:30
  Yeah.
• 24:31
  It's rough, but –
• 24:33
  And you were asking in that IG post,
• 24:36
  you gave yourself a four on the dive.
• 24:39
  I'd give it a six.
• 24:40
  All right.
• 24:41
  Thank you.
• 24:43
  I was like, I hate videoing myself.
• 24:45
  Like it really is like cringy to me,
• 24:47
  even though I know it just has to happen.
• 24:48
  But I was like, please,
• 24:50
  I hope no one can see me.
• 24:51
  I hope no one can see me.
• 24:51
  And like someone was walking
• 24:53
  out onto the pool deck when
• 24:54
  I was like about the dive.
• 24:55
  So I'm like, you know what?
• 24:56
  I don't even have time to
• 24:57
  make this look pretty.
• 24:57
  I'm just going to record it.
• 25:00
  So yeah, it was pretty bad.
• 25:02
  so one of the off-season
• 25:03
  things you did was crash
• 25:04
  crucible yeah uh which my
• 25:07
  co-host jamie did um jamie
• 25:09
  latimer I don't know if you
• 25:10
  you guys met I think I met
• 25:12
  her we talked yeah I don't
• 25:13
  know if she'd remember me
• 25:14
  but we talked yeah um she
• 25:16
  knows who you are trust me okay
• 25:21
  So it was such a cool competition.
• 25:23
  I'd never really seen it
• 25:24
  until the Savant podcast
• 25:26
  broadcast it live.
• 25:28
  And all the cool toys that
• 25:31
  you guys got to play with
• 25:33
  in that weekend that you
• 25:34
  don't see at normal competitions,
• 25:36
  even up to semifinals.
• 25:38
  Those were like game style, weird objects.
• 25:42
  Yeah.
• 25:43
  I, I will,
• 25:45
  I probably said this on every
• 25:46
  podcast I've been on.
• 25:47
  I think crash crucible is hands down.
• 25:50
  First of all,
• 25:51
  the best competition I've ever done.
• 25:52
  I've done it three years, no two years now,
• 25:54
  I guess.
• 25:56
  But yeah,
• 25:57
  you don't get to do peg boards at
• 25:58
  any other competition.
• 25:59
  You don't get to do handstand hurdles.
• 26:01
  Like you don't,
• 26:01
  you've never even seen that
• 26:02
  in a competition really.
• 26:03
  I don't think up until crash,
• 26:04
  we got to swim one year
• 26:06
  with GHDs at the pool and,
• 26:08
  That was an awesome event,
• 26:09
  which took a lot of planning.
• 26:10
  I know on JR's part,
• 26:11
  but it's really interesting
• 26:13
  because it does kind of
• 26:14
  select for a specific athlete.
• 26:17
  I tend to historically do
• 26:18
  really well at crash
• 26:20
  because I like the higher skill stuff.
• 26:21
  And I practice that,
• 26:23
  which there's girls that
• 26:24
  are really probably a lot
• 26:25
  more talented than me that
• 26:26
  I can beat at crash just
• 26:28
  because the skill is such a separator.
• 26:31
  And you just don't see that at,
• 26:32
  at local competitions,
• 26:34
  even if it's a big local competition.
• 26:36
  So it's,
• 26:37
  I think I enjoy making Crash
• 26:38
  more than I do, honestly,
• 26:40
  a semifinal sometimes.
• 26:41
  So it's just a great competition.
• 26:44
  That is so cool.
• 26:45
  And I hope it stays that way
• 26:47
  for where people can
• 26:48
  qualify because I know
• 26:50
  after it got broadcast,
• 26:52
  more and more athletes want
• 26:53
  to be a part of it now.
• 26:55
  Oh, for sure.
• 26:55
  And I think it'll grow
• 26:57
  exponentially even just
• 26:58
  from this year to next year.
• 26:59
  But I know JR has mentioned
• 27:01
  that I think he wants to
• 27:02
  keep it at his gym.
• 27:03
  I don't think he wants to grow it out.
• 27:06
  I mean, I know he wants to grow it,
• 27:07
  but I think he likes the
• 27:09
  feel of having it at his affiliate,
• 27:10
  which I really like.
• 27:11
  Well, it's a huge gym.
• 27:14
  It's got two floors.
• 27:16
  You have the carpeted floor.
• 27:17
  You have the rubber floor.
• 27:19
  It was great.
• 27:22
  I'd love to go down for it.
• 27:24
  You should, you should come.
• 27:25
  I mean, he runs a tight ship too.
• 27:26
  So even with a smaller space,
• 27:28
  he would still make it run so well.
• 27:29
  And he treats the athletes
• 27:30
  like we're at the freaking
• 27:32
  CrossFit games.
• 27:32
  He's just, JR's outstanding.
• 27:36
  Yeah.
• 27:36
  I have, I have family in Charlotte.
• 27:38
  Well, I, my wife does.
• 27:39
  Yeah.
• 27:40
  And so I could have her stop her,
• 27:43
  drop her off in Charlotte,
• 27:44
  let her hang out there and
• 27:45
  then just head to Spartansburg.
• 27:47
  You should come.
• 27:47
  I think it's October the
• 27:49
  like first or second week in October.
• 27:50
  So.
• 27:51
  Yeah, it'd be fun.
• 27:53
  I really do want to get to more smaller,
• 27:55
  like what I'm calling
• 27:56
  mid-major competitions.
• 27:58
  Yeah.
• 27:59
  You know, not the Rogues, not the Dubais,
• 28:02
  not the Waterpaloozas,
• 28:03
  but like Metcon Rush and
• 28:06
  Crash and some of those fun competitions.
• 28:10
  I think it's more
• 28:11
  community-based and needs more public,
• 28:13
  more eyes on it.
• 28:15
  And you might find some up
• 28:16
  and comers that people
• 28:17
  don't spot until later on in the season.
• 28:20
  Like Jason Hopper burst onto
• 28:21
  the scene at crash.
• 28:22
  You know,
• 28:23
  he won crash and no one really
• 28:24
  knew who he was until I
• 28:25
  think Brian friend said
• 28:26
  something about him at crash.
• 28:27
  Same for Taylor.
• 28:28
  So, so yeah, it's awesome.
• 28:31
  So you're heading to semis.
• 28:33
  All the workouts have been released.
• 28:36
  Are you excited?
• 28:38
  Oh, I'm thrilled,
• 28:39
  especially now that it's more OG CrossFit,
• 28:41
  in my opinion.
• 28:42
  I'm like,
• 28:43
  this is back to like the regional days.
• 28:44
  You know, I, I, I am thrilled.
• 28:46
  I could not be more excited.
• 28:49
  Is there one event you're
• 28:49
  looking forward to more than the others?
• 28:52
  Um, from a performance standpoint,
• 28:55
  like I know I'll do well in it.
• 28:56
  I'm really excited about the
• 28:57
  running and the clean and jerk.
• 28:59
  Um,
• 28:59
  but that one hurts so bad that I'm not
• 29:01
  looking forward to it from
• 29:02
  that perspective.
• 29:03
  Um,
• 29:03
  I just know it'll hopefully be a good
• 29:05
  finish for me.
• 29:05
  And then I also am really,
• 29:07
  I think the legless workout
• 29:09
  is a really fun one to do
• 29:10
  and it's a fun one for
• 29:11
  spectators to watch.
• 29:12
  So I'm looking forward to
• 29:13
  that one as well.
• 29:15
  Yeah.
• 29:16
  I think a lot of these are fun to watch.
• 29:19
  It is old school CrossFit.
• 29:21
  Yeah.
• 29:23
  It's easy to see the story
• 29:25
  develop on the floor, snatch ladder.
• 29:28
  You're, you're, you know,
• 29:29
  you can see where everybody stands, uh,
• 29:31
  the rope climb workout.
• 29:32
  Don't you move the box down
• 29:34
  a little bit each time?
• 29:35
  Yeah, you do.
• 29:36
  Yeah.
• 29:36
  So it's like, yeah,
• 29:38
  I think it's going to be awesome.
• 29:40
  Is there a workout that just
• 29:42
  personally has something
• 29:44
  that you've been working on
• 29:45
  that you want to test yourself?
• 29:49
  Hmm.
• 29:50
  Um,
• 29:52
  Yeah,
• 29:52
  I think obviously the obvious answer
• 29:55
  would be the snatch ladder.
• 29:56
  I think that's little,
• 29:58
  that's less of an
• 29:59
  expression though of like
• 30:00
  the strength that I've gained.
• 30:03
  So I would actually have to say event two,
• 30:06
  which is the front squats, you know,
• 30:08
  the double unders and the toes to bar.
• 30:10
  That one,
• 30:11
  even though I think I'll do well
• 30:13
  in that one,
• 30:14
  the front squats two years
• 30:15
  ago at 155 would have,
• 30:18
  been an issue like I would
• 30:19
  not be doing them on broken
• 30:20
  you know and so um I'm
• 30:22
  really at least in how I've
• 30:23
  tested it I'm really I
• 30:25
  think I'm able to see the
• 30:26
  fruit of all of my strength
• 30:27
  work more than maybe even
• 30:29
  the snatch ladder which
• 30:30
  people perceive as the
• 30:30
  strength of it um but I
• 30:32
  think it shows up more in
• 30:33
  event too so I'm really
• 30:34
  pumped for that after
• 30:36
  watching Europe I think the
• 30:39
  final event is as much
• 30:41
  strength as anything else I
• 30:43
  would agree those dumbbells
• 30:45
  ate some people up
• 30:46
  Yeah, especially the guys.
• 30:48
  Yeah.
• 30:50
  Yeah.
• 30:51
  Have you played around with the 70s?
• 30:53
  I have.
• 30:54
  Yes.
• 30:54
  They, uh, again,
• 30:55
  another thing that two
• 30:56
  years ago would have wrecked me,
• 30:58
  but they are very tough.
• 31:00
  And I really think it comes
• 31:01
  down to the lunges.
• 31:03
  You can do everything really
• 31:04
  fast at the beginning,
• 31:05
  but someone there's going
• 31:06
  to be fun races because
• 31:08
  people who even break the muscle ups,
• 31:09
  I think we'll catch some
• 31:10
  girls who don't break the muscle ups, um,
• 31:13
  on the lunges.
• 31:13
  Cause if you can go unbroken on that,
• 31:15
  I mean,
• 31:15
  you're going to catch a ton of people.
• 31:16
  So yeah.
• 31:18
  Yeah.
• 31:18
  I think that'll be a really
• 31:19
  fun race and I'm excited for it.
• 31:20
  So.
• 31:22
  Yeah,
• 31:22
  I think I've talked to three TTT
• 31:25
  athletes out of the last
• 31:26
  four interviews I've done.
• 31:28
  So I was talking to Will
• 31:29
  Morad this morning,
• 31:30
  and he said that you and
• 31:33
  somebody else can have a
• 31:34
  completely different plan
• 31:35
  on that last one and both be right.
• 31:39
  That's interesting.
• 31:40
  Yeah, that's interesting.
• 31:42
  Because if you break up the
• 31:45
  muscle ups so that you can
• 31:47
  hang on to the dumbbell,
• 31:49
  you could be right.
• 31:50
  You could go unbroken and
• 31:52
  like just grit through the
• 31:54
  dumbbell and you're still
• 31:56
  going to be right.
• 31:57
  Yeah.
• 31:58
  Yeah.
• 31:58
  And there's a, I think that's one too,
• 32:00
  kind of like the
• 32:01
  quarterfinal workout with
• 32:02
  the snatches and the rowing
• 32:03
  where you can really play
• 32:04
  to your strengths.
• 32:05
  Yeah.
• 32:06
  And really, like you kind of said,
• 32:08
  have two totally different strategies,
• 32:09
  but because you're
• 32:10
  different athletes and
• 32:11
  you're able to identify
• 32:12
  where you're going to
• 32:13
  succeed and where you need
• 32:14
  to just be able to like
• 32:15
  manage in that workout.
• 32:17
  I think you could have an
• 32:18
  even result between two
• 32:19
  totally different strategies.
• 32:21
  Yeah, that's interesting.
• 32:22
  Do you like workouts like
• 32:24
  that that you have to strategize for you,
• 32:26
  the athlete?
• 32:27
  Or do you like it just where
• 32:29
  it's this is what it's on
• 32:30
  paper and it's go time?
• 32:33
  I, to be honest with you, Scott, I,
• 32:34
  I hate workouts with all
• 32:36
  the strategy just because I think it,
• 32:38
  a lot of it comes down to like,
• 32:39
  how good is your coach at
• 32:40
  helping you strategize?
• 32:41
  Um, I hate to,
• 32:42
  I don't say that about Kyle.
• 32:46
  No, no, no, no.
• 32:49
  He would actually be the first to tell you,
• 32:51
  I'm really bad at strategizing.
• 32:54
  But then secondly,
• 32:55
  I'm bad at asking him for
• 32:56
  his opinion with strategy.
• 32:58
  But like TTT,
• 32:59
  if you're familiar with some
• 32:59
  of the coaches there,
• 33:01
  there are some coaches
• 33:02
  there that are so analytical that it...
• 33:04
  is so it blows my mind like
• 33:06
  down to the every single
• 33:08
  detail and Kyle and I are
• 33:10
  not like that you know I'm
• 33:11
  sure Kyle is like that
• 33:12
  maybe with himself or some
• 33:13
  other athletes but just
• 33:14
  with our relationship we
• 33:16
  don't get that nitty-gritty
• 33:18
  and I like it it helps me
• 33:19
  not get too in my head like
• 33:21
  truly if I had a coach I
• 33:22
  think that was way too into
• 33:24
  the nuances then I would
• 33:26
  just forget how to even just
• 33:27
  grit and you know push
• 33:29
  through a workout mentally
• 33:30
  but to be honest I just
• 33:31
  love the ones where you
• 33:32
  just turn your mind off and
• 33:33
  it's like who is willing to
• 33:34
  hurt more and because you
• 33:37
  can really have a less fit
• 33:38
  person with a much better
• 33:40
  strategy and they come out
• 33:41
  on top and to me that just
• 33:42
  frustrating but I get it's
• 33:43
  a part of the sport so yeah
• 33:46
  yeah so like of the workouts
• 33:50
  this in a week you have that
• 33:53
  row handstand walk which is
• 33:54
  just gas pedal down and
• 33:56
  either you have it or you
• 33:57
  don't yeah you have you
• 33:59
  have the run clean and jerk
• 34:01
  do you have the engine to
• 34:02
  hold it or not yeah are
• 34:05
  those the workouts you like the best
• 34:08
  Yeah.
• 34:09
  Yeah, they are.
• 34:09
  And I mean, and even on those,
• 34:11
  you can still at least have
• 34:12
  a little strategy, but not overthink it.
• 34:14
  Right.
• 34:14
  Like you saw Amy Kringle go
• 34:16
  touch and go for a majority
• 34:18
  of that workout on the
• 34:18
  clean and jerks and you know,
• 34:21
  the last round she didn't,
• 34:22
  but it still came down to who's fitter.
• 34:24
  Right.
• 34:25
  Like in my opinion, it,
• 34:27
  the strategy wasn't really
• 34:29
  going to help you win.
• 34:30
  It could help.
• 34:31
  It could make you lose if you,
• 34:33
  if you blow up, cause you're,
• 34:34
  trying to go touch and go or
• 34:36
  whatever and she she did
• 34:37
  amazing in that workout but
• 34:38
  those are the ones I like
• 34:39
  yeah where it's kind of
• 34:40
  like let's just go out
• 34:41
  there and and grind and
• 34:43
  kind of like the war of
• 34:44
  attrition that dave castro
• 34:45
  is known for when he
• 34:46
  programs the crossfit games
• 34:47
  like way back in like you
• 34:50
  know 2014 let's just do
• 34:50
  murph and see who's not
• 34:52
  gonna have a heat stroke
• 34:52
  you know yeah yeah well and
• 34:56
  you talk about amy kringle
• 34:57
  and gabby mcgowan
• 34:59
  Right.
• 34:59
  Right.
• 35:13
  yeah yeah and I mean they
• 35:16
  know themselves so well it
• 35:17
  could have been that yeah
• 35:19
  it was just like that's how
• 35:20
  you know in order to pace
• 35:21
  the runs going touch and go
• 35:22
  on the clean and jerks like
• 35:23
  helped her not go go out
• 35:24
  too fast you know you never
• 35:26
  know what people's strategy
• 35:27
  is so I don't want to like
• 35:28
  assume but yeah it ended up
• 35:29
  being a net zero I think
• 35:31
  yeah yeah and both are
• 35:33
  going to the game so top two so yeah
• 35:38
  Yeah,
• 35:39
  but it is fun to watch when you when
• 35:41
  you can't watch the run.
• 35:42
  That was the frustrating thing, right,
• 35:44
  of that broadcast,
• 35:46
  because I'd love to watch it.
• 35:49
  You only get to see the
• 35:50
  weightlifting strategy,
• 35:51
  not the running strategy.
• 35:53
  Yeah, you're left to just kind of assume.
• 35:56
  So I'm assuming you watched Europe.
• 35:59
  do you like like I talked to
• 36:01
  fee this morning she's like
• 36:02
  I had my notebook out I I'm
• 36:04
  watching the workouts I'm
• 36:05
  taking notes um I talked to
• 36:07
  will he's like yeah I'm
• 36:08
  looking for data points
• 36:10
  I've talked to other
• 36:11
  athletes that are like I
• 36:12
  can't watch it it just
• 36:13
  makes me too anxious really
• 36:15
  yeah um I watched it uh and
• 36:19
  I definitely like looked at
• 36:20
  splits you know what people
• 36:21
  were holding on the rower um
• 36:24
  and stuff like that.
• 36:25
  So I definitely would
• 36:26
  probably be more on the analytical side,
• 36:27
  like with Fee and Will.
• 36:28
  I kind of watch it once for
• 36:31
  enjoyment and then secondly for data.
• 36:33
  Yeah, that's very much what Fee did.
• 36:37
  Yeah.
• 36:38
  One time through for fun,
• 36:39
  another time with the notebook,
• 36:41
  kind of looking for things, tips, tricks,
• 36:44
  anything she can find.
• 36:46
  But she said by the time you're week three,
• 36:48
  like everybody's doing that in her mind.
• 36:52
  Right.
• 36:52
  And like the thing I've
• 36:53
  never understood really about, like,
• 36:55
  you know,
• 36:55
  some athletes are really
• 36:56
  hesitant to share scores
• 36:57
  like testing times and
• 36:59
  quarterfinals scores and all that.
• 37:01
  And while I've had my
• 37:02
  moments where I'm kind of
• 37:03
  hesitant to show that stuff in my mind,
• 37:05
  it's like, all right,
• 37:07
  you're as fit as you're.
• 37:08
  You're as fit as you are.
• 37:09
  Right.
• 37:10
  And so if I'm looking at
• 37:11
  these girls and all their
• 37:12
  split times and stuff, to me,
• 37:14
  it's not like threatening
• 37:16
  or it's not anxiety
• 37:17
  provoking because it's like
• 37:19
  that can only help me
• 37:21
  further refine the fitness
• 37:23
  and the plan that I already have.
• 37:25
  But if Laura Horvath is
• 37:27
  pulling a one forty five
• 37:28
  pace on the row in the handstand walk,
• 37:32
  I don't care what strategy I
• 37:33
  have or what data points I
• 37:34
  take from that workout.
• 37:35
  I'm not going to be pulling that.
• 37:36
  And so it's kind of just like,
• 37:38
  and maybe it's just my personality,
• 37:40
  but I'm kind of like, if I,
• 37:41
  if someone knows my
• 37:41
  quarterfinal score or
• 37:42
  someone knows my semifinal testing time,
• 37:45
  I mean,
• 37:45
  you have to still get significantly.
• 37:49
  It's kind of like you can
• 37:50
  only improve or utilize
• 37:51
  that so much to your
• 37:53
  benefit in my opinion.
• 37:54
  So.
• 37:55
  I am so glad you said that.
• 37:57
  So I'm going to hit you with
• 37:58
  this line of questioning.
• 38:00
  Yeah.
• 38:00
  Last year they did this
• 38:02
  Taylor versus the world
• 38:04
  where Jason Hopper and
• 38:06
  Colton Mertens and Dallin
• 38:07
  Pepper came to town and
• 38:09
  took him on for quarterfinals.
• 38:11
  They brought in fee to go up
• 38:13
  against someone from crash to do that.
• 38:15
  And they got all this exposure.
• 38:17
  I've talked to a lot of
• 38:19
  female act or athletes who are afraid,
• 38:21
  not afraid.
• 38:22
  I shouldn't say afraid.
• 38:23
  Yeah.
• 38:24
  Who want to hold their
• 38:25
  scores close to the vest as
• 38:27
  you described.
• 38:29
  I contend that's the way to
• 38:30
  grow the sport by
• 38:32
  televising another aspect of the season.
• 38:36
  Are you telling me you would
• 38:37
  be willing to do that like
• 38:39
  live and put it out there?
• 38:44
  Yeah, 100%.
• 38:45
  I think, like, for example, Lindsay Lane,
• 38:47
  she's, you know,
• 38:48
  the other girl that competed against Fi.
• 38:49
  She did crash in one crash,
• 38:51
  and I know her decently well.
• 38:54
  And she is an amazing athlete that has not,
• 38:58
  I don't think,
• 38:58
  individually been to semis.
• 38:59
  She's been on a team.
• 39:00
  But, like, she deserves, like,
• 39:02
  that spotlight...
• 39:04
  get her name out there.
• 39:05
  She did amazing on the workouts,
• 39:07
  like Fi being willing to go
• 39:09
  and do that as well and
• 39:10
  then compete against each other,
• 39:11
  I think is so good for the sport.
• 39:13
  It shows a lot of confidence too, I think,
• 39:15
  in just themselves being able to say, hey,
• 39:17
  like, you know,
• 39:18
  I'm going to put it out there.
• 39:19
  If you're fit enough to beat it,
• 39:20
  like props to you,
• 39:21
  you're fit enough to beat it, you know?
• 39:23
  And so I think that is the
• 39:24
  way to push the sport forward,
• 39:27
  get names out there that
• 39:28
  people don't know about.
• 39:29
  If someone asked me to do
• 39:30
  that in a heartbeat,
• 39:31
  I would do it.
• 39:32
  And I mean,
• 39:32
  you can retest workouts if you want,
• 39:34
  but I just think that was
• 39:35
  so cool that they did that.
• 39:37
  Well, and the guys did that, right?
• 39:38
  They had the, the,
• 39:40
  the attempt that they share,
• 39:42
  they shared with the world
• 39:43
  and a couple of them redid
• 39:44
  some of them just to like
• 39:45
  get better placements.
• 39:46
  Yeah.
• 39:47
  And so you're open to that,
• 39:48
  especially on when they
• 39:49
  give you six weeks to
• 39:51
  finish four workouts or whatever.
• 39:54
  Exactly.
• 39:55
  Yeah.
• 39:55
  But it's, it's,
• 39:56
  it becomes like people are
• 39:58
  now watching the quarterfinals.
• 39:59
  I can guarantee you no one
• 40:00
  other than Andrew Hiller
• 40:01
  was looking at quarterfinal
• 40:02
  videos two years ago, you know?
• 40:04
  So it, I just think that's so,
• 40:08
  so good for the sport.
• 40:09
  We could even do that in the open,
• 40:10
  you know, it would be amazing.
• 40:12
  It's kind of like getting
• 40:13
  you excited for semifinals.
• 40:15
  Well, and they did that.
• 40:16
  They, you know,
• 40:17
  someone came in to take on
• 40:18
  Taylor every week for the open,
• 40:20
  but I think all of that can
• 40:22
  be expanded to,
• 40:26
  I'll be just blunt with you.
• 40:27
  I'm putting your name down, right?
• 40:29
  For next season.
• 40:30
  Let's do it.
• 40:32
  My only contention is all my
• 40:34
  co-hosts are female.
• 40:35
  I don't think there's enough
• 40:37
  female representation in the media,
• 40:39
  in the space.
• 40:40
  And I would love to do it
• 40:42
  with a group of women who are willing to.
• 40:45
  That's cool.
• 40:45
  We like that.
• 40:47
  And so that's my plan for next season.
• 40:50
  And I'm glad you said that
• 40:51
  you'd be willing to do that.
• 40:52
  So yeah.
• 40:54
  Yeah.
• 40:55
  And it helps the,
• 40:56
  I think the media platform as well too,
• 40:57
  because you know,
• 40:58
  people want to see
• 40:59
  strategies and they look up tip videos,
• 41:01
  but nothing really beats
• 41:02
  watching someone do it.
• 41:03
  So yeah.
• 41:04
  Well, and if you watch, if you watch,
• 41:06
  and JR's great at what he does and,
• 41:09
  and John Young's great at what they do,
• 41:10
  but they really focus on
• 41:12
  the male side of the sport.
• 41:14
  Yeah.
• 41:14
  Like that's why I brought on
• 41:15
  Carolyn Prevo because she
• 41:17
  gives a perspective that is
• 41:19
  different and that is more,
• 41:22
  more appropriate for people like you.
• 41:23
  You don't know what she has
• 41:26
  to say about the women's side and,
• 41:28
  and is it scaled or is it, are the, the,
• 41:31
  is the programming appropriate?
• 41:33
  Things like that.
• 41:35
  And that's sorry.
• 41:35
  I know we're wrapping up on time, too.
• 41:37
  But like, that's interesting.
• 41:38
  You bring that up, too,
• 41:38
  because I hear a lot of commentary.
• 41:41
  I like this podcast a lot.
• 41:42
  So I listen to them a good bit.
• 41:43
  And John Young specifically
• 41:45
  and a lot of the guys like
• 41:46
  they and they are very
• 41:48
  quick to say the girls
• 41:49
  weight should be heavier
• 41:50
  pretty much every single workout.
• 41:52
  While there are some,
• 41:53
  I do agree with them.
• 41:54
  It's kind of frustrating because I'm like,
• 41:56
  okay, you know,
• 41:57
  if the girls barbell was
• 41:59
  135 for this clean and jerk run event,
• 42:01
  like that changes it completely.
• 42:04
  Maybe not for like the strongest girls,
• 42:06
  but it's like, I just,
• 42:08
  it's kind of frustrating hearing,
• 42:09
  you know, some people say every single,
• 42:11
  single workout, like, oh,
• 42:12
  it should be heavy for the girls.
• 42:13
  It's not heavy enough, yada, yada, yada.
• 42:14
  I'm like, okay, like that's,
• 42:16
  try being a girl and doing
• 42:18
  that and just see, you know, so,
• 42:19
  and I know I'm a biased
• 42:20
  athlete cause I'm more of a,
• 42:22
  on the aerobic side, but yeah,
• 42:24
  I think it'd be good to
• 42:24
  have some female represent
• 42:25
  representation to,
• 42:26
  to push back on that and be like,
• 42:28
  that changes the workout completely.
• 42:29
  It doesn't have to be one 35
• 42:31
  to be effective.
• 42:32
  And here's why here only,
• 42:35
  they only pay attention to
• 42:36
  the top 10 athletes in the space.
• 42:38
  Yes.
• 42:39
  Yeah.
• 42:39
  Laura Horvath,
• 42:40
  she can throw around that kind of weight.
• 42:41
  Gabby McGowan can throw
• 42:42
  around that kind of weight, but,
• 42:45
  I've been for three years
• 42:46
  now trying to get exposure
• 42:48
  for the semifinal athletes 10 through 50.
• 42:51
  Yeah.
• 42:53
  Right.
• 42:54
  That's the only way we grow
• 42:55
  the sport is if you know
• 42:56
  the players on the field.
• 42:57
  Right.
• 42:58
  Right.
• 42:59
  And so I agree with you.
• 43:02
  And Jamie says it all the
• 43:03
  time because she is a smaller athlete.
• 43:05
  She's 5'1".
• 43:07
  She's doing her best to keep up.
• 43:09
  But making the barbell
• 43:11
  heavier is not an advantage for her.
• 43:14
  And sometimes, yes, you should.
• 43:16
  But it's like getting all up
• 43:18
  in arms about the barbell
• 43:19
  being 85 pounds versus 95
• 43:21
  for that snatch quarterfinal workout.
• 43:23
  It's like...
• 43:24
  like for some,
• 43:25
  for most people that doesn't
• 43:26
  make a big difference, but so like,
• 43:28
  let's just keep it at what
• 43:29
  it's programmed at and just chill.
• 43:31
  But you know, maybe that's just me.
• 43:32
  Sometimes it just drives me crazy.
• 43:33
  So I'm glad you bring that up.
• 43:34
  In the comparison between men and women,
• 43:36
  none of that matters.
• 43:38
  The men don't prevent you
• 43:40
  from taking the podium spot, right?
• 43:42
  Right.
• 43:42
  Like why does it have to be comparable?
• 43:44
  Right.
• 43:46
  To get it as close as possible,
• 43:48
  but you want the sport to
• 43:49
  be fair and equitable for each side.
• 43:53
  Yes.
• 43:53
  100%.
• 43:53
  I think that's a great, yeah.
• 43:55
  I love what you're doing too.
• 43:56
  I really have appreciated
• 43:58
  how you've really tried to
• 43:59
  get out everyone else's
• 44:00
  name other than just the
• 44:01
  top 10 because yeah,
• 44:02
  you work really hard and no
• 44:04
  one knows who you are sometimes.
• 44:05
  And so it can just be really, uh,
• 44:08
  it can be mean a lot when
• 44:09
  people like you guys want
• 44:10
  to get our names out there.
• 44:11
  So, yeah, it's funny you say that.
• 44:13
  Cause that's what I feel.
• 44:14
  I feel like I'm one of you.
• 44:15
  Yeah.
• 44:16
  right like I'm not the
• 44:17
  biggest podcast in the
• 44:18
  space I don't get my name
• 44:20
  out as much as the others
• 44:22
  and I think together we'll
• 44:24
  work our butts off to get
• 44:25
  there heck yeah everyone
• 44:27
  loves it everyone loves a
• 44:28
  proverbial underdog even
• 44:30
  though we're we're making
• 44:32
  it I mean we're making a
• 44:32
  name for ourselves but I
• 44:34
  guess relatively we could
• 44:35
  be a little bit of underdog so
• 44:38
  My dog is losing his mind upstairs.
• 44:40
  Um, so anyway, the last question,
• 44:43
  and I'm sorry, I've kept you so long.
• 44:44
  I said, um, your goals for the weekend,
• 44:50
  right?
• 44:51
  You're coming in in the
• 44:52
  highest place you ever have
• 44:53
  after quarterfinals, right?
• 44:56
  What is your realistic goal
• 44:57
  going into semis this weekend?
• 45:00
  Um, first and foremost,
• 45:02
  I have more support than
• 45:03
  I've ever had coming to
• 45:05
  watch me this year.
• 45:05
  My family's never been to a
• 45:06
  CrossFit competition that I've done.
• 45:09
  I don't think they even
• 45:09
  really know what's going to
• 45:10
  hit them when they show up.
• 45:11
  I think they kind of think
• 45:12
  it's a little local competition.
• 45:14
  So for me,
• 45:15
  it's going to be the most
• 45:17
  important thing is going to be able,
• 45:19
  like being able to soak that in,
• 45:20
  like taking this as potentially like
• 45:22
  It could always be my last
• 45:23
  year enjoying the fact that
• 45:24
  my family is making the
• 45:25
  trip and all my friends are
• 45:26
  coming to watch me.
• 45:28
  But then secondly,
• 45:29
  I am someone who likes to
• 45:32
  have a goal like a quantitative goal.
• 45:34
  And I would I think top 20
• 45:36
  is very realistic for me to say.
• 45:40
  But I'd be really happy with
• 45:42
  the top 20 finish.
• 45:43
  And then I would love to
• 45:44
  have some workouts or at
• 45:45
  least one workout.
• 45:46
  I think I can get one in the top.
• 45:50
  So I'm going to be bold and say that,
• 45:51
  but there's one that I think I can.
• 45:54
  Yeah, I think so too.
• 45:56
  And I hope you get that.
• 45:59
  Did you get your athlete
• 46:01
  packet to see where the
• 46:02
  family gets to sit?
• 46:04
  So I saw something about
• 46:05
  they get to sit at the
• 46:05
  finish line or something.
• 46:07
  I'm like, I mean,
• 46:08
  depending on what heat you're in,
• 46:09
  it's going to matter more, but...
• 46:11
  So you've been there, right?
• 46:15
  In Knoxville at that Coliseum.
• 46:18
  And yeah,
• 46:19
  right there where I think you're
• 46:21
  going to run out for the
• 46:22
  loading dock for event one.
• 46:24
  I hope so.
• 46:25
  As long as it's not TSA line.
• 46:28
  Right there is they put
• 46:29
  those temporary stands at
• 46:30
  the finish line and you
• 46:32
  generally like they shuffle
• 46:33
  the families in and out per event.
• 46:36
  Oh, cool.
• 46:36
  Yeah.
• 46:37
  I'll have to make sure they
• 46:39
  know to do that.
• 46:39
  Cause they're going to have no idea.
• 46:41
  So I actually should read that packet.
• 46:42
  That's a really good idea.
• 46:43
  Yeah.
• 46:44
  And if you have to go down
• 46:45
  the flights of stairs to get there and I,
• 46:48
  yeah.
• 46:49
  And that's what this goes to.
• 46:50
  So that's how I know.
• 46:51
  Okay.
• 46:52
  I'll look out for you too.
• 46:53
  Yeah.
• 46:54
  Yeah.
• 46:55
  I made hotel reservations.
• 46:56
  I'm hoping that hoping I can
• 46:58
  get there next week.
• 46:59
  Heck yeah.
• 47:00
  I hope, I hope you get to be there.
• 47:01
  It's a, I enjoy following,
• 47:02
  following it last year when
• 47:04
  y'all would interview people.
• 47:04
  So.
• 47:05
  Yeah.
• 47:06
  Well, cool.
• 47:07
  Well, this has been awesome.
• 47:09
  Denise.
• 47:10
  Well, actually,
• 47:11
  Corey says never made sense
• 47:12
  to me to hide my scores
• 47:13
  times from anyone.
• 47:14
  You're going to do what you're going to do,
• 47:16
  regardless of what I do.
• 47:18
  Agreed.
• 47:20
  And Denise Moore,
• 47:22
  my favorite 65 plus athlete
• 47:24
  who is going to the games, says good luck,
• 47:26
  Ellie.
• 47:27
  Thank you, Denise.
• 47:28
  Good luck to you as well.
• 47:29
  I'll be watching you in Birmingham.
• 47:31
  Yes.
• 47:32
  Are you there just as a spectator?
• 47:34
  Yeah.
• 47:34
  I mean, honestly,
• 47:35
  I should look into volunteering.
• 47:37
  Um, I think that'd be really cool.
• 47:39
  Never been to the CrossFit games.
• 47:40
  Um,
• 47:41
  and so when I heard the masters is coming,
• 47:42
  I'm like, I'm for sure going to go,
• 47:43
  but I actually might find
• 47:44
  if I could help out in some way.
• 47:46
  So hang on one second.
• 47:49
  And then what I'll do is I'll say goodbye.
• 47:50
  Yeah.
• 47:51
  I'll talk to you for a second.
• 47:53
  Amy Hill says, good luck,
• 47:54
  Ellie cheering for you.
• 47:56
  Thank you, Amy.
• 47:58
  With that, everybody in the chat,
• 47:59
  thank you for being here.
• 48:00
  You guys are awesome.
• 48:02
  And we'll see everybody next
• 48:04
  time on Clydesdale Media Podcast.
• 48:07
  Bye, guys.
• 48:08
  See you, guys.