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The Kenny Report | 20 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight. The Australian business owner who
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  Speaker 3: says ozsies don't want to work, so he's importing workers
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  Speaker 3: from overseas.
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  Speaker 4: People don't want to work and that is the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Also, the Israeli Prime Minister agrees with me about Anthony Albernisi,
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  Speaker 3: while the Home Affairs Minister hits Israel with an ugly
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  Speaker 3: attack straight out of the Hummus propaganda playbook. The Economic
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  Speaker 3: Roundtable throws up new taxes for business, the opposite to
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  Speaker 3: what's really needed.
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  Speaker 1: And where have all the good senators gone?
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  Speaker 3: You won't believe the social media post from one of them.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be joined by Pauline Hansen tonight and we'll have
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  Speaker 3: the Wednesday wrangle with Dnika de Giorgio and Justin Smith.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 3: The first thing I have to say about Israeli Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Nettina, who's stinging and personal attack on our
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister Anthony Alberesi, is that I agree with him.
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  Speaker 3: In an extraordinary move, just under twenty four hours ago,
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  Speaker 3: Nettanyahu took to social media and said history will remember
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  Speaker 3: Albanesi for what he is, a weak politician who betrayed
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  Speaker 3: Israel and abandoned Australia's Jews. Now it'd be the height
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  Speaker 3: of hypocrisy for me to disagree with that, because I
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  Speaker 3: said essentially the same thing here on this show last night,
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  Speaker 3: only about an hour before NETTANYAHUO posted this attack. But
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't mean I think it's wise diplomacy. The Israeli
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  Speaker 3: Prime Minister only inflamed the situation, and it got worse
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  Speaker 3: when someone in the Israeli system leaked a letter from
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  Speaker 3: Nettnahu to Albanzi through my colleague Shari Marksen. The letter
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  Speaker 3: extended the attack, accusing Alberesi of pouring fuel on the
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  Speaker 3: anti Semitic fire and being involved not in diplomacy but appeasement. Again,
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  Speaker 3: Netnaho is right. His critique of Albanesi mirrors what I've
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  Speaker 3: been pointing out with increasing despair and ferocity since October
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  Speaker 3: the ninth, twenty twenty three. Yes, the signs of weakness
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  Speaker 3: were there immediately after the October the seventh atrocities. But
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  Speaker 3: it's one thing for commentators to go hard exposing the
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  Speaker 3: weakness and ineptitude of our own government. It's quite another
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  Speaker 3: for a national leader to launch a scathing and personalized
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  Speaker 3: attack against another nation's leader. It's possible that Netnaho has
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  Speaker 3: undermined support for the Israeli cause in Australia, and he
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  Speaker 3: might have made a bit of a hero of Albanesi
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  Speaker 3: in the eyes of the anti Israeli mobs. At the
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  Speaker 3: very least, he's enabled Albanesi to claim the high moral ground.
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  Speaker 5: I treat leaders of other countries with respect, I engage
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  Speaker 5: with them in a diplomatic way.
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  Speaker 3: Well, sure, that's what Albaneze says, but he has banned
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  Speaker 3: elected politicians from Israel, a friendly nation, and he has
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  Speaker 3: been praised by terrorist leaders for the way he's ought
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  Speaker 3: to isolate Israel. Anyway, the Israeli Foreign Affairs apparatus is
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  Speaker 3: now desperately trying to deal with the fallout from their
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  Speaker 3: Prime minister's outbursts, hoping to take some of the heat
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  Speaker 3: out of the situation.
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  Speaker 1: But I do know that.
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  Speaker 3: Israel is considering further policy based retaliation against Australia. They
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  Speaker 3: are considering more action against Australia as we speak.
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  Speaker 1: We will see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: But if Nttannahu's intervention was inflammatory, our Home Affairs Minister
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  Speaker 3: Tony Burke went for the full explosion.
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  Speaker 6: Strength is not measured by how many people you can
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  Speaker 6: blow up or how many children you can leave Hungary.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't talking about Hummas, which has murdered thousands of
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  Speaker 3: Israeli innocent men, women and children in terrorist attacks before, during,
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  Speaker 3: and since the October the seventh atrocities, and Hummas, which
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  Speaker 3: continues to hold hostages alive and dead, and continues to
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  Speaker 3: attack Israel and continues to terrorize its own people.
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  Speaker 1: No, Burke wasn't talking about Hummas.
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  Speaker 3: Instead, he was again just repeating Hummas propaganda accusing Israel
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  Speaker 3: of bombing civilians and starving children, just terrible slurs, demonizing
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  Speaker 3: Israel and fueling hatred. Yet again, the war in Gaza
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  Speaker 3: is brutal. It's all the doing of Hummas. The war
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  Speaker 3: is ongoing too because of Hummas. And yet never before
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  Speaker 3: in the history of armed conflict has an army gone
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  Speaker 3: to more trouble to try to protect civilians. The Israeli
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  Speaker 3: dense forces giving up the element of surprise by telling
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  Speaker 3: Gazans where it's attacking Hummas and when, so that civilians
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  Speaker 3: can get out of harm's way. No one is pretending
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  Speaker 3: there are no civilian casualties.
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  Speaker 1: But clearly the efforts to.
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  Speaker 3: Protect civilians and to feed and shelter them is unprecedented
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  Speaker 3: in war. And the casualty figures that are cited by
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  Speaker 3: the media and everybody else all come from Hummas and
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  Speaker 3: they do not differentiate between terrorists and civilians. Why doesn't
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  Speaker 3: Burke put pressure on Hummas rather than Israel. How can
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  Speaker 3: the horror end unless Hummas lays down its weapons and
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  Speaker 3: hands back the hostages. This is exactly the sort of
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  Speaker 3: appeasement of terrorists that Nettnya, who is talking about Hummas,
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  Speaker 3: has publicly applauded the Albanesi government. What a terrible place
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  Speaker 3: for Australia to be law ordered by Islamist terrorists and
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  Speaker 3: criticized by a liberal democracy in Israel. This collapse of
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  Speaker 3: the Australia Israel relationship was triggered not only by Albanese's
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  Speaker 3: pledge to recognize the non existent state of Palestine, but
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  Speaker 3: also by the decision to ban serving Israeli politician sim
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  Speaker 3: To Rothman from visiting Australia. The Home Affairs Minister tried
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  Speaker 3: to take the high moral ground on that one.
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  Speaker 6: There are two things that Australians do not want. First,
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  Speaker 6: they don't want the killing to continue on the other
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  Speaker 6: side of the world, and that's why we call for ceasefire,
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  Speaker 6: and that's why we make the decisions that we've made.
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  Speaker 6: And secondly, they do not want the conflict and the
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  Speaker 6: hatreds brought here. And I make no apology for being
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  Speaker 6: consistent as to whether someone has a dehumanizing view of
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  Speaker 6: Jewish children or Palestinian children, I will make the same decision.
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  Speaker 3: But that is simply not true. Burke and Albanizi have
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  Speaker 3: done nothing to prosecute or denounce Islamist leaders in Australia
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  Speaker 3: who have celebrated the slaughter of Jews, nor have they
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  Speaker 3: tried to prevent sickening protests that threaten and intimidate the
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  Speaker 3: Jewish community. And Burke has granted visas to Muslim hate
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  Speaker 3: preachers who have supported the Hesbalah terrorist organization and its
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  Speaker 3: leaders and celebrated the slaughter of innocent Israelis. On October
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  Speaker 3: the seventh.
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  Speaker 1: Celebrate the victory.
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  Speaker 7: Allah has shown the world that no normalization can you
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  Speaker 7: rease the Palestinian cause. When everybody thought it was finish,
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  Speaker 7: it's roaring. How many of you feel it in your
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  Speaker 7: hearts when you've got the news that did happened. How
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  Speaker 7: many of you felt the euphoria lod welcome God, how
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  Speaker 7: many of you felt it?
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  Speaker 3: Does Burke argue that that is not importing hatred?
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 3: I think the uble standards are clear, and that's before
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  Speaker 3: we even mentioned the three thousand visas that Burke and
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  Speaker 3: Alberici have granted to Palestinians fleeing Gaza to come to
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  Speaker 3: Australia without proper security checks. Yet Burke claims blocking an
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  Speaker 3: elected politician from Israel is the way to make sure
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  Speaker 3: we don't import hatred and hostility from the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: This stuff is divorced from reality and so dripping with
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  Speaker 3: false equivalents that it's frightening.
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  Speaker 8: We are seeing a relationship that has deteriorated and the
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  Speaker 8: consequences of that are not good, and they are spilling
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  Speaker 8: over into our relationship with the US, our most important ally,
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  Speaker 8: the Prime Minister needs to explain how he is going
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  Speaker 8: to get this relationship that he has so badly mismanaged
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  Speaker 8: back on track.
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  Speaker 3: But we can't expect any improvement because on these issues
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  Speaker 3: Alberanzi is indeed weak and out of his depth.
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  Speaker 5: I think the Australians very much want two things to happen. One,
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  Speaker 5: they want people to stop killing each other, whether it
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  Speaker 5: be Israelis or Palestinians. Second thing that they want, that's
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  Speaker 5: for conflict to not be brought here.
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  Speaker 3: There he goes again, with all the wide eyed simplicity
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  Speaker 3: of a beauty pageant.
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  Speaker 1: Queen, we all want peace.
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  Speaker 3: The thing is that platitudes from Albanesi and the Europeans
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  Speaker 3: do nothing to deliver it. They all agree Hummas can
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  Speaker 3: have no role in Gaza's future, but they want Israel
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  Speaker 3: to stop trying to eliminate Humas. Even while the terrorists
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  Speaker 3: hold fifty hostages, twenty still alive and thirty as dead
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  Speaker 3: bodies to trade. Hummus won't just walk away. They need
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  Speaker 3: to be defeated. As we speak, there is the possibility
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  Speaker 3: of more hostages being released and a cease fire being struck.
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  Speaker 3: And you can rest assured this is happening not because
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  Speaker 3: of the waffle words from Albanize and his mates, but
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  Speaker 3: because Israel is threatening to go into Gaza city to
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  Speaker 3: hunt down the Hummas leaders who are hiding among the
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  Speaker 3: civilian population. There is real evil at play in this conflict,
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  Speaker 3: and it should not be too hard for any interested
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  Speaker 3: person to work out that it resides not with Israel
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  Speaker 3: but in the hearts and minds of the Islamist terrorists
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  Speaker 3: of Hummas. Australia should be unequivocal in taking the right side.
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  Speaker 3: Tragically it keeps demonizing Israel and giving sakka to the terrorists. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: the so called Economic Reform Roundtable had its second day
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  Speaker 3: of meetings today, all conducted behind closed doors, no phones allowed,
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  Speaker 3: all highly secretive. The PM Treasurer and their handpicked group
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  Speaker 3: of business, industry, union and think tank advisors will all
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  Speaker 3: have a casual knees up at the lodge tonight, but
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  Speaker 3: already the signs are pretty underwhelming and predictable for a
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  Speaker 3: labor government. One idea that got to run yesterday was
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  Speaker 3: an extra levy. Let's call it a tax, an extra
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  Speaker 3: tax on businesses to fund training schemes. Yeah, more costs
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  Speaker 3: on business and the bigger role for unions. Who would
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  Speaker 3: have thunk it a And it gets worse. Tel MP
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  Speaker 3: Allegraspender is part of this show. Who knows why? Maybe
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  Speaker 3: they needed to hear from more green left millionaires And
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  Speaker 3: when she popped out to chat with Kieran Gilbert on
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  Speaker 3: Sky here today here was her suggestion.
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  Speaker 9: Well, look at things like, you know, the diesel fuel rebate,
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  Speaker 9: which doesn't incentivize companies to reduce our emissions. Let's look
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  Speaker 9: at things like the safeguard mechanism. Can we expand that
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  Speaker 9: to more organized to drive that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, really higher taxes for people who use diesel engines
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  Speaker 3: off the road system, people like farmers, miners, and fishermen
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  Speaker 3: and more. Companies roped into the de facto carbon tax
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  Speaker 3: of the so called safeguards mechanism. So instead of freeing
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  Speaker 3: businesses up, lowering taxes making energy cheaper, two ideas from
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  Speaker 3: spender to make energy more expensive and increase the costs
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  Speaker 3: on business and therefore on all of the rest of us.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks alegra.
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  Speaker 3: While all this went on behind closed doors, Ross Greenwood
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  Speaker 3: and National Senator Matt Canavan hosted an open session focusing
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  Speaker 3: on the real issues.
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  Speaker 10: So I think everybody understands what the problems are. Lack
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  Speaker 10: of economic grith, too much government spending, Energy prices are
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  Speaker 10: way too high, taxes are a way too high.
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  Speaker 1: All of these things.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, and an industrial relation system that is becoming increasingly
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  Speaker 10: less flexible.
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  Speaker 3: Spot on Ross. So I'll have more on that with
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  Speaker 3: one of the participants. Later, but across town, the Health
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  Speaker 3: Minister was talking about that runaway train of government spending
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  Speaker 3: the NDS, with new figures showing one in six young
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  Speaker 3: boys are on the disability scheme, particularly because of autism.
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  Speaker 3: The government finally admits there are people on the scheme
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  Speaker 3: that simply do not belong.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 11: Tens and tens of thousands of young children with mild
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  Speaker 11: to moderate developmental delay or autism are on a scheme
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  Speaker 11: set up for permanent disability. I doubt very much that
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  Speaker 11: that is what most of their parents really wanted or expected,
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  Speaker 11: but it's all they've had available, the only port in
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  Speaker 11: the storm, if you like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we've talked about this on that issue on this
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  Speaker 3: program for years, and as we've heard from experts time
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  Speaker 3: and time again, the parents do know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: There's a clear incentive to get.
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  Speaker 3: The right die diagnosis because the NDIS then pays for tutoring,
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  Speaker 3: for sports coaching, for piano lessons, equipment, all kinds of
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  Speaker 3: useful things and activities that everyone wants for their kids,
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  Speaker 3: only this way someone else pays for it instead of
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  Speaker 3: just getting people off the NDIS. Though, Butler is setting
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  Speaker 3: up another scheme for these cases, so they'll fix one
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  Speaker 3: out of control government scheme by adding another one to
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  Speaker 3: run alongside it. I predict this will shift the problem
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  Speaker 3: rather than fix it. And whatever happens, this does not
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  Speaker 3: qualify as economic reform. Now, I hope you're sitting down
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  Speaker 3: for this little tidbit, I want to share with you
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  Speaker 3: a social media post from a Victorian senator. His name
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  Speaker 3: is Ralph Babbitt, and he's a forty two year old
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  Speaker 3: senator for Victoria, elected under the banner of Class Palmer's
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  Speaker 3: United Australia Party three years ago. And he posted today,
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  Speaker 3: strangely enough, about an article that's eight years old.
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  Speaker 1: It was in the Daily Mail and it asked where
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  Speaker 1: all the good men have gone?
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  Speaker 3: Featuring what they called sassy, sophisticated and solvent women who
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  Speaker 3: were single in their forties and fifties. Anyway, just why
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  Speaker 3: this attracted the attention of Babbitt, who we believe is single,
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  Speaker 3: We don't know. I've sent him an email, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: yet to hear back. Nonetheless, he posted the article on
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  Speaker 3: x with this comment He asked, would you date and
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  Speaker 3: marry a woman well past her prime? He really posted
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  Speaker 3: that extraordinary. He was elected for a six year term,
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  Speaker 3: of course, so he's around for another three years in
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  Speaker 3: the Senate. I guess that means he's still in his prime,
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  Speaker 3: at least his own reckoning. Where do we get these people?
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  Speaker 3: Where have all the good senators gone? I think we
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  Speaker 3: might have found one, because we're going to catch up
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  Speaker 3: with Senator Pauline Hanson, the One Nation leader joining us
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  Speaker 3: live from Queensland as we speak. Do you know Ralph
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  Speaker 3: Babbitt and you understand why he would tweet such an
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  Speaker 3: offensive message to all women in their forties and fifties?
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  Speaker 12: Ah, Chris, can I remove it? When I heard you say,
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  Speaker 12: that's the first time I've seen that, I'm just having
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  Speaker 12: a big chuckle to myself. I thought, well, am I
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  Speaker 12: one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Past my priparently?
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  Speaker 1: Apparently?
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  Speaker 13: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: I am? So what so what?
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  Speaker 12: I don't take offense to that? Whatsoever? I have a
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  Speaker 12: laugh about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm having a laugh about it, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I just want good senators, and I don't reckon he's
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  Speaker 3: up there at.
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  Speaker 1: The upper echelon.
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  Speaker 3: Wherefore see that Sophie fines love soon and then he's
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  Speaker 3: not past his prime. Hey, give me your thoughts on
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  Speaker 3: this relationship with Israel. We've talked about these issues a lot,
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  Speaker 3: but this is descended into just the most bitter and
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  Speaker 3: acrimonious fallout. It's tragic, really, given the history of our
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  Speaker 3: nations and our shared interests in global security and defeating
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  Speaker 3: Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 12: Chris, you know what, I can't have a go at
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  Speaker 12: Netnyahu pulled what he said in that letter because it's
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  Speaker 12: all true. I think it's a well defined rebuke of
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  Speaker 12: our Prime Minister Anthony Albanisi. I've spoken to Jewish leaders,
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  Speaker 12: communities members and who are Australians.
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  Speaker 10: You know what.
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  Speaker 12: They're deciding to leave the country. They feel unsafe here,
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  Speaker 12: they don't know what's in Australia for them in the future.
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  Speaker 12: They just feel let down by our government, by especially
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  Speaker 12: alban Easy. So I think it was warranted. Everything that
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  Speaker 12: you've said, I you agree and your opening statements. I
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  Speaker 12: can say no more than that, but I'm glad, you know,
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  Speaker 12: for Albaniz to say that he's not taken it personally,
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  Speaker 12: I think you better listen, mate, You've really been put
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  Speaker 12: in your place and you need it to be put
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  Speaker 12: in your place. I think it's disgraceful his actions and
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  Speaker 12: especially Burke and his comments are so out of place.
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  Speaker 12: I think that you know, this has opened up for
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  Speaker 12: Australia for this protest marches that are continually going on.
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  Speaker 12: Jewish people are in fear for themselves. They can't even
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  Speaker 12: be seen on the streets near these protesters. We've allowed
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  Speaker 12: these tentacles of the Muslims are fundamentalists Islamic beliefs to
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  Speaker 12: actually flourish in our country and they have not been
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  Speaker 12: ranged in. We're going to be in a world of
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  Speaker 12: pain if we do not address this situation.
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  Speaker 3: The trouble is pulling that there's no hint that Anthony
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  Speaker 3: Alberizi has any idea of how to address this situation.
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  Speaker 3: He's been failing at it for almost two years, and
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  Speaker 3: we're stuck with this government for an extended period. What
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  Speaker 3: can the rest of the country do to stand up
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  Speaker 3: for decency and to stand up for our Jewish Australian
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  Speaker 3: colleagues here.
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  Speaker 12: You need to send a clear message to them, and
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  Speaker 12: I've tried to do that on the floor of Parliament
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  Speaker 12: in my comments and actually they've they've thanked me, you know,
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  Speaker 12: very much for my comments that they believe that I've
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  Speaker 12: led the way that I know the Liberals have been
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  Speaker 12: coming behind me, kicking and screaming. Chris, my comments are
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  Speaker 12: based on common sense, what I believe is right for
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  Speaker 12: the country. And I've always wanted to treat everyone equally,
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  Speaker 12: with fair and justice on their side. And I felt
• 19:43
  Speaker 12: that the Jewish people, the students, everyone has been treated unfairly.
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  Speaker 12: And I don't wait to see what the polls come out.
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  Speaker 12: I go on my gut feeling what's right for the country.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I've just got to get to your thoughts on
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: a sad issue for you and your team. Nation Senator
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Elector Warren Warwick Stacy is resigning.
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  Speaker 1: From Federal Parliament very early on because of.
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  Speaker 3: Health issues, which is very sad and we wish him
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: better all the best. You need to now find a
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  Speaker 3: new Senator for New South Wales.
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you have anyone in mind. I'm wondering
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  Speaker 1: whether your.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Daughter Lee might relocate from Tasmania up to New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales and get into the Senate that way.
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  Speaker 12: Don't worry, Chris.
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  Speaker 2: I said it to her.
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  Speaker 12: I said, hey, honey, why don't you move up to
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  Speaker 12: New South Wales. She said, Mum, I will not, She said,
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  Speaker 12: I am committed to Tasmania and she will stand for
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  Speaker 12: the Senate in Tasmania the next federal election. So no,
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  Speaker 12: she's none from New South Wales. She is very much
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  Speaker 12: committed to Tasmania. Chris, I haven't got anyone at the
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  Speaker 12: stage to put into that place. We're looking at, you know,
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  Speaker 12: people that have been loyal to the party, people who
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: have been former candidates, people who have put time in
• 20:55
  Speaker 12: for the one nation.
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: I want the.
• 20:57
  Speaker 12: Right person to fill that spot. I was devastrated when
• 21:00
  Speaker 12: Warwick told me, and I didn't realize his health condition
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: at the time. I asked him if he could see
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: it as long as he could, but the case wasn't
• 21:09
  Speaker 12: he could in his health as declining and it was
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: his decision to walk away. But I can assure the
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: people from New South Wales I will find the right
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: person to stand their ground, to represent you on the
• 21:22
  Speaker 12: floor of Parliament, and that's most important to me. I
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: will not put in someone who's not going to work
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: hard for the people of New South Wales and this country.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Pauline. As ever I appreciated Pauline Hanson.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: There there you go. I had a bit of a hunch.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: I just had a bit of a hunch that maybe
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Lee Hanson would be in the mix. The mother asked
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: her whether she might relocate to New South Wales to
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: take up that Senate vacancy, but Lee Hanson saying no,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: I'm Taswegian and I'm staying in the Apple Aisle.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Interesting, hey, it would have been an interesting move.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Let me get back onto the terrible situation facing the
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Australian Jewish community now and catch up again with Alex Ritchin,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the Executive Councilustralian Jury.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: He's the co chief executive. They're joining me live from Sydney.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Alex, you must be in despair about the way the
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: relations between these two governments, so these two great nations
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: have now broken down.
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: We've always treasured the very close relations between the two
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: countries and I think it operates on a very deep
• 22:19
  Speaker 13: level one to people, on a very human level. You know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: not only is there a very vibrant Jewish community here
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: as you know, that has deep spiritual and cultural and
• 22:28
  Speaker 13: national ties to Israel, but very many Australians go on
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: pilgrimage to Israel. There are deep academic and scientific ties
• 22:35
  Speaker 13: between the two countries. So to see this sort of
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: diplomatic spat and tip the tat, name calling and so forth.
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: It pains us and it puts the Jewish community in
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: the middle of this, and it's not where we want
• 22:45
  Speaker 13: to be. And I think a lot of what the
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: Prime Minister of Israel raised in his letter to the
• 22:49
  Speaker 13: austrain Prime Minister is genuine and sincere and legitimate. But
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: I think that because it was preceded by really an
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: insult on Twitter, I think some of the potents that
• 23:00
  Speaker 13: letter of that letter was lost. We want to see
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: a revival of makeship between the two countries and good
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: cordial diplomatic relations, and for the differences between the two
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: countries to be dealt with in a dignified way behind
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: closed doors, ideally not played out online and you know
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: through the trading of barbers in such a way.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: What must really worry you and so many members of
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: the Australian Jewish community though, is the continued demonization of Israel.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: The extent of that was to which that was inflamed
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: today by Tony Burke talking about strength, the strength in
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: bombing civilians and starving children.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: And this is just terrible demonization of Israel and.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: It continues to make the Australian Jewish community feel feel
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: abandoned by their own government.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: In the words of Letnahu.
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: Well, Minister Burke's comments were really outrageous and beyond the pale,
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: and I think you should retract them and apologize for them.
• 23:58
  Speaker 13: And you're right, you know. I feel like the Austraian
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: government doesn't realize the connection between demonizing language about Israel,
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: about pursuing increasingly hardline policies against it, escalating its rhetoric,
• 24:10
  Speaker 13: and the impacts on this strange Jewish community. When you
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: have Israel demonized and accused of everything under the sun,
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: as has been happening for nearly two years now, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 13: the Australian government won't stand up to it and in
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: fact exacerbates the problem. Inevitably, the extremes of society will
• 24:24
  Speaker 13: start targeting the austrange Jewish community because they draw a
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: clear association between the two, and that's something that our
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: government has really failed to understand. So I hope going
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: forward they will comprehend that. But what they say about
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: Israel not only hurts us on a personal level, but
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: it endangers us. I think that's something they need to
• 24:39
  Speaker 13: come to terms with quickly.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Do you know of Australian Jewish families who have either
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: relocated to Israel or to the United States because of
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: how uncomfortable they feel in Australia.
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: Well, particularly in the last three months, I've been getting
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: a lot of calls from members of the community who
• 24:57
  Speaker 13: have deep roots in this country, who are proud of
• 24:59
  Speaker 13: us Australians, who've been asking me some very difficult questions
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: and doing so with no hysteria, with perfect calmness, about
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: when will be the time to leave, what measures they
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: should take to relocate if need be. You know, the
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: Jewish people carry with them a long history and a
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: painful history, and they understand how quickly the tide can turn,
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: how quickly governments can turn against the Jewish population, the
• 25:20
  Speaker 13: power of the mob to attack communities and rich societies apart.
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: And the Jewish community is apprehensive. They're worried, and they're
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: kind of peeking over their shoulder and across the shores
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: as well, and wondering what the next move might be.
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: And the fact that patriotic, loyal members of this country
• 25:37
  Speaker 13: are having to even contemplate these things shows a tremendous
• 25:40
  Speaker 13: failure of leadership, and really a failure far beyond that.
• 25:43
  Speaker 13: I think it's something that we need to come to
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: terms with as a country, how far we've fallen that
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: this is happening around us.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Well, Sir Alex, thanks for joining us, Alex rich and
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: from the Executive Council of Australian Jury. Now, I know
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of you feel so frustrated and upset by this.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: This is not a matter just for the Australian Jewish community.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: This is for all Australians. Their fight is our fight now.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Many of you sent us messages under the email Kenny
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Report at skynews dot com dot Au. That's Kenny Report
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: at skynews dot com.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Do you.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I've shared with you a lot of those messages, will
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: continue to share some of those, but I want to
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: do some more in this space as well, because there
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: has to be a way for non Jewish Australians to
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: speak up on these issues and let our government know
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: that this is not good enough. We cannot have a
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: whole section of this country demonized in this dangerous way.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: We're going to take a break on the other side
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I'm going to catch up the Australian business owner who
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: says Ossies don't want to work, so he's importing workers
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: from overseas.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: I tell you what, there's.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Been some blowback in Tasmanian politics. The Labor leader Dean Winter.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: You know, he's the one who tried to take down
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: the Liberal Premier Jeremy Rodcliffe and forced this unnecessary election
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: on taz Manians, trying to drag him down. Well, Jeremy
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Rodcliffe is back as Premier. Dean Winter has now been
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: rolled by the Labor Party. He's no longer the opposition leader.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: He failed and he's no confidence motion in Parliament yesterday
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: and a bloke by the name of Josh Willie has
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: taken over as the leader of the Tasmanian Labor Party.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you swing a punch so hard you throw yourself
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: flat on the ground. Now, there's a telling development about
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: this week. In this week about the Aussie work ethic.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Drake's Supermarkets, that operates sixty stores in South Australia and Queensland,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: is employing more than six thousand people, but they're struggling
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: to fill vacancies despite the unemployment rates still sitting at
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: four four point two percent. Here's Drake's Supermarkets director John
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Paul Drake on the Two Worlds Collide podcast last week.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: People don't want to work, and that is the problem.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: At my distribution center. You pick which has got a
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: gym there. They got a full canteen with a free
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: meal for lunch, all of this stuff, and it's not
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: enough to attract the locals to.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Get a job.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Jim canteen, free lunch.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: You'd think people might be knocking the door down to
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: get work. But the situation is that bag that Drakes
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: are now looking overseas for workers, they actually brought them
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: in from overseas. Let me cross to John Paul drakeer
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: joins us live from Adelaide.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, John PAULA.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: This is an extraordinary situation because the distribution set that
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: you're talking about is in Adelaide's northern suburbs, where the
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: unemployment rate is a lot higher than four point two percent.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Right, tell us what's going.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: On, Chris. It's hard to comprehend.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: The unemployment rate in the northern suburbs is actually twenty
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: one percent, So when you're talking.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: About a number like that, it's quite big.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: We're looking for twenty vacancies at that particular site, ranging from.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Forklift drivers to pick is.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: You know, I'll admit it might not be the sexiest
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: job in the world. But the guys and girls we
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: have down there, they're picking up to ten ton a day,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: but they're working pretty much Monday to Friday nine to
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: three or thirty eight dollars an hour. And we are
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: having to import people from Banawatu to fill up the
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: rest of the jobs.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And we need more people there even now.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: But the thing is this is work brings work, right.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: I've been a meat carter, a keish deliverer, a car detailer.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you work and then you make your way
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in life. What is the problem You're not paying enough?
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: What is the issue that people won't actually turn up
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: and take a regular job.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, like I said, thirty eight bucks an hour,
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: we pay above the award rate. I can tell you
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: we've noticed a major shift since COVID.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And since COVID has.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: Taken on, we've had people come, they've got the job,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: and then when we get them started with an eight
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: to twelve hour shift, they turn around and sit and go, well,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: hang on, I can actually get paid more by not
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: actually working here.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: And then you sit and go okay.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Well, fundamentally, we might have a system problem when the
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: employee they won't take the job because they're getting more
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: centilank benefits than they are actually working.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So there's some other things there we need to look at.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there's other payments that are being paid in there.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: And tell us then about what the COVID impact has been.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Do you think people have gotten used to being able
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to sit around and be paid for it?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Oh? Look, absolutely, and we've seen that.
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: I think people have decided for a more work life
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: balance is what we can see.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: We know we're a great employee.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: In fact, out of us six thousand team members, twenty
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: percent of them have been with us for ten, twenty
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: thirty forty years, so we know that when people come.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: To join us, they actually enjoy it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: But we have seen a clear change from COVID to
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: now in regards to how they've seen for their employment.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: So you know, I think we have to look at
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: what is happening out there and if we're getting told
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: by multiple people that have got the job that will
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: wait a minute, I can get paid just as much
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: for not taking the job, then fundamentally I think we
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: have a problem. And when people sit there and go,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: well you're not employing Australians.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Well that's just that's not true.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: We're employing as many Australians as we can, as you
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: mentioned before, six thousand team members in Essay and Queensland,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: and we're a big, heavy employer, so we need to
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: make sure that how do we bridge the system? Is
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: there something fundamentally wrong with the current system which is
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: making it very difficult? I mean, do I need to
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: provide limo service to pick them up to bring them
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: to work?
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: Do I need to have dinners prepared for them for
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: when they leave?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, how far can you go?
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: And as you're aware, supermarket industry pretty low margin, so
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: there's not much wriggle room in there for the flash
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: stuff that all the tech giants seem to get, because
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: let's face it, the tech guys pay no tax in
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: this country anyway, where we're paying our full thirty cents
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: in the dollar.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: And you're you've got to make.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: You're a welcome competitor in the big supermarket duopoly, so
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: you're the sort of industry we should be.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Encouraging as well. Tell us about your overseas workers. How
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: are you getting them in and how are they going?
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: And do they do you pay them the same wages
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: that the Australian workers would get.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Great question, Chris.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: We pay them same pay, same work, same rate, so
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: they're exactly the same. So we're getting from the palm
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: scheme and we've currently got twenty in our business and
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: when you're where you work, we've actually got a few more.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: But when you work it out, one point four percent
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: of our businesses from foreign people, and in this case
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: it's a palm scheme from Vanawadu. Now when you go
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: to our distribution center, it's state.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Of the art.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: So picking around the distribution center is done by voice pick.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: You need a bit of tech wizardry to be able
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: to do that. And I can tell you so we've
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: had nine month visas and we get a new load
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: every nine months and the old and the other the
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: current team go back and I can tell you out
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: of our top eight performers, they come in with the
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: top six.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: That's a huge number.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: They're such hard working individuals that bought a worth second
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: to none. And I'm not saying my team members don't
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: have that by any stretch of the imagination. We have
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: the best retailers in the country working for it with us,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: but these they bring a different vibe you know, they
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: all rock up. They treat each other like family, and
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: when someone's not pulling their weight, they sort it out.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: They don't wait for the boss to sort it out.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: They sort it out between themselves. And it's quite a
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: different a different way to look at things. And when
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: you think you're coming from fig you coming from coconuts.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: You're coming from.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Beautiful skies, warm weather, and you come to Adelaide. Now
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: we have a bit of cold weather.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: The distribution center's quite cold as well, but meat distribution
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: center also there's a team in there as fantastic people.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: The English isn't the best, but who cares. You don't
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: need to know English to be able to fulfill some
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: of the roles. And let's face it, I have tried
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: for the last five years to fill roles and enough's enough.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, we've got businesses growing for us because unfortunately,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: there's plenty of people doing it tough out there, and
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: as a supermarket, we're the benefactors of that because when
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: pubs and clods and restaurants and cafes closed down, evidently
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: they buy more food. I mean, our sales are up,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: but our profit is down. And that's the sort of
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: en that's the climate we're.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: In right now.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: So it is a cut through industry and you know
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: better than anyone else been in supermarket retailing ain't for
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: the faint hearted, yep.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: I used to work in a supermarket myself as a
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: casual back in the days, Coal's Store nine to eleven.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: And then Ross Trevor. Thanks for joining us, John Paul,
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. Great to get your real world
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: insights into what's going on in the employment market. How
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: about that just can't get people to turn up for
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: regular work, but the people coming in from Vanuatu, they
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: love a great experience for them and they take the
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: money home.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: No doubt. There is a problem there. There is a problem.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Now we've got to have a break.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll get more, we'll get into
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: the economic roundtable as well. That was a real world
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: example of this sort of thing we're talking about. But
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: in Canberra they're just tossing up new ideas for taxes,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: the opposite to what's really needed. I'm going to speak
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: with the former Treasury Assistant Secretary David pearl.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: This was the second day of Labour's Economic talk Fest,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: focusing on productivity. Today it's wrapped up. They're all off
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: for dinner at the Lodge tonight. But while all that
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: was going on behind closed doors, Sky News held the
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Real Productivity Roundtable, featuring a group of experts assembled by
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: National Senator and former Resources Minister Matt Canavan, and it
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: was hosted by our business editor Ross Greenwood, tackling the
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: actual issues that affect all Australia.
• 36:01
  Speaker 10: So I think everybody understands what the problems are. Lack
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: of economic gristh too much government spending, Energy prices are
• 36:08
  Speaker 10: way too high, taxes are a way too high. All
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: of these things an industrial relation system that is becoming
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: increasingly less flexible.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: And the government's productivity agenda is mainly a spending agenda
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: than indeed you could see a spending more agenda.
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: What we're seeing the government do right now is poor
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: billions and billions of taxpayer dollars into undispatchable capacity, unreliable
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: energy in the form of wind and solar and batteries,
• 36:34
  Speaker 14: and that is the opposite what we need to be doing.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Let's go now to one of the participants of that roundtable.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: He is David Perl, the former Assistant Treasury Secretary. He
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: was part of it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Today, he writes for the Australian newspaper, Good to talk
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to you again, David. Look, I heard you talking about
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: this bit of analysis that I've referred to a lot
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: that I think explains what we've done to ourselves in
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: this country. We used to have all these tariff barriers
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: that made everything in this country more expensive and all
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: of our exports more expensive than they should have been,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: and we realized.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: We had to get rid of all that.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: But now all our net zero policies and all the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: carbon expenses we've put on ourselves are effectively the same thing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: We're putting in an internal tariff on everything.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: We do in this economy through our net zero agenda.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Is that too simplistic?
• 37:25
  Speaker 15: It's not too simplistic at all, Chris, And thanks for
• 37:27
  Speaker 15: having me on. Yes, I wrote in the Australia in
• 37:29
  Speaker 15: a while ago when people in this country were up
• 37:33
  Speaker 15: in arms about the tariffs that Donald Trump was threatening,
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: which were pretty minor and completely ignoring the escalating self
• 37:42
  Speaker 15: imposed whole of economy tariff we've put on ourselves under
• 37:47
  Speaker 15: the guise of net zero. And this is a deliberate
• 37:50
  Speaker 15: move to ration emissions, as you know, and if your
• 37:54
  Speaker 15: ration emissions, your rationing economic activity and productivity. So yes,
• 38:00
  Speaker 15: doing this to ourselves and that was a major focus
• 38:03
  Speaker 15: not only from me, but also Henry Ergas and Gary
• 38:05
  Speaker 15: Banks in today's alternative roundtable.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yet we saw a Legraspender come out of the roundtable
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: today and the two ideas she talked about was getting
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: rid of the diesel rebate, increasing tax on producers there
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: and also wroping more companies into the safeguards mechanism, which means,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: you know, increasing tax on more businesses.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: If they're the sorts.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Of ideas that they're going to be tossing around, they're
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: going in the wrong direction, aren't they.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Well they are.
• 38:34
  Speaker 15: And I always go back to the nineteen nineties, Chris,
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: when I was actually an Australian representative at the OECD
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: and I was involved as a junior official in some
• 38:43
  Speaker 15: of the discussions that led up to the Kyoto Protocol,
• 38:46
  Speaker 15: which was the initial international agreement to deal with climate change.
• 38:49
  Speaker 15: And Chris, everybody around the table knew and acknowledged that
• 38:55
  Speaker 15: cutting emissions is a massive economic tax and drag on growth,
• 39:00
  Speaker 15: and what countries tried to do was to negotiate the
• 39:04
  Speaker 15: most favorable emissions outcome possible, and Australia insisted on its
• 39:08
  Speaker 15: emissions under Kyoto increasing. Now Kyoto fell apart because not
• 39:13
  Speaker 15: enough developing countries joined. And now we've got Paris, and
• 39:17
  Speaker 15: the Paris Agreement which the government talks about, has no
• 39:20
  Speaker 15: mechanism to enforce any country's stated emissions cuts, and sixty
• 39:25
  Speaker 15: percent of the global emissions as you know, US, China, India,
• 39:30
  Speaker 15: Russia are not even participating. So whether it's a carbon
• 39:34
  Speaker 15: tax or a safeguard mechanism or any other mechanism, we're
• 39:38
  Speaker 15: imposing a massive tariff where rationing economic activity in this country,
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: not as part of an international burden share, but unilaterally
• 39:48
  Speaker 15: with the bigger min is not doing anything in cost
• 39:50
  Speaker 15: benefit terms. It's a disaster and it's a national disgrace.
• 39:54
  Speaker 15: Chris the Treasury mail Department Productivity Commission, that there's any
• 40:01
  Speaker 15: cost or any economic sacrifice involved, and not a word
• 40:05
  Speaker 15: will say it be said about net zero and whether
• 40:09
  Speaker 15: it's worth the pain given the lack of international action
• 40:12
  Speaker 15: in the real roundtable, it's.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: The elephant in the room that they're just completely ignoring
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: during this real roundtable. It's astonishing to see. Thanks for
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: joining us, David hopefully we can catch up again soon.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: David Pearl there, who was an Assistant Treasury Secretary and
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: writes for The Australia Now and as such a cut
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: through analysis of what's going on in this economy. Let's
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: go to Zoe McKenzie, now the Shadow Assistant Minister for Education.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: She joins us live from the.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Mornington Peninsula in Victoria in her electorate. The Flinder's good
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: to talk to you again, Zoe. Benjamin Netta who says
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberizi has betrayed Israel and abandoned Jewish Australians.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Is he right?
• 40:51
  Speaker 16: Look, it's an extraordinary turn and frankly the last twenty
• 40:54
  Speaker 16: four hours, not all Australians agree with what the Netna
• 40:59
  Speaker 16: who go doing it at the moment. Not all Israelis
• 41:02
  Speaker 16: necessarily agree. But this war of words that are particularly
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: harsh and pointed, and may I say from the Minister
• 41:09
  Speaker 16: of Home Affairs today are a terrible turn in terms
• 41:14
  Speaker 16: of a long standing relationship between Australia and Israel and
• 41:17
  Speaker 16: a long standing relationship mars AA in which the Labor
• 41:20
  Speaker 16: Party itself has had an important role. If you think
• 41:23
  Speaker 16: back to the time of Bob Hawk and the closeness
• 41:26
  Speaker 16: between Australia and Israel.
• 41:28
  Speaker 13: What we have seen, the words.
• 41:29
  Speaker 16: That have been used, the sharpness that has been expressed
• 41:34
  Speaker 16: is a very very sad and difficult turn. And I
• 41:39
  Speaker 16: feel for the Jewish people in Australia who would be
• 41:42
  Speaker 16: worried that you were watching visas being canceled in all directions?
• 41:46
  Speaker 16: What does this mean for what have been long standing
• 41:48
  Speaker 16: allies with important family and indeed business links between Australia
• 41:54
  Speaker 16: and Israel.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Well apart from just parrotying i'mus propaganda against Israel, Tony
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: has said that he is applying an even handed approach
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: to these visas, which is clearly not true because he
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: has blocked visas for mainstream commentators from Israel, now from
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: an elected Israeli Kanesset member who has strong but mainstream
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: views about the challenges the country face as yet. At
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: the same time, Tony Burke has led into this country
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: hate preachers who have supported Hesbalah and celebrated the slaughter
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: of October the seventh.
• 42:33
  Speaker 16: I think all Jewish Australians, non Jewish Australians, Israeli Australians
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: and Israelis would be listening to the tone in tiny
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: Burke's speech today and would be deeply concerned. There was
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: a fierceness to them that I think is unbecoming of
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: the Minister for Home Affairs, particularly what is a difficult
• 42:56
  Speaker 16: time to navigate. The pressure must be directed to humm Us.
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: The tragedy in the trauma of October seven continues to
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: this day. Families who lost their loved ones though that
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: day down the tunnels of Gaza live that loss every
• 43:14
  Speaker 16: single day like it happened yesterday. Because the hostages are
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: still in the tunnels. That's where our attention needs to
• 43:22
  Speaker 16: be directed. And this supposed recognition of Palestine. I have
• 43:26
  Speaker 16: never had so much email traffic on an issue as
• 43:30
  Speaker 16: I have on that. We have a resolve pold today
• 43:32
  Speaker 16: that shows Labour supporters dislike this move more than the
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: Coalition and the Green supporters. I think the Labor Party
• 43:40
  Speaker 16: needs to have a good hard look at itself and
• 43:42
  Speaker 16: the predicament they have thrown this relationship into in the
• 43:45
  Speaker 16: last few weeks.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: Well said zoe Thanks for joining us again. Zoey mackenzie
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: there joining us live from the Mornington Peninsula. We've got
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: to take a break. On the other side, we'll have
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: the Wednesday rangle. I'm going to check in on the
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Melbourne City councilors starting to ac up about the disruption
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: of a week pro Palestinian protests. Let's get into some
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Wednesday wrangling. On the desk here with me is Denika
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: de Georgia. Of course, she hosts her self titled show
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I Get to Plug It every Thursday, same time, same
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: desk on a Friday. Danika is right here and joining us.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Also from Melbourne is Justin Smith, columnists broadcaster, man about town.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Good to talk to you, Justin. Let's stay in Melbourne
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: because there's a story there. You've got these weekly protests
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: there from the pro Palestinian anti Israel mob. They clog
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: up the city every time I've bumped into them a
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: few times. The Council's looking to try and constrain them somehow.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: How's that going to go? Yeah, Look, it's a damn shame,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 44:43
  Speaker 17: Because I think we're the three of us would agree
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: here that we fought pretty hard in this world to
• 44:48
  Speaker 17: get free speech, and there should be protests and there
• 44:52
  Speaker 17: should be a little bit of disruption now and then.
• 44:54
  Speaker 17: But it's kind of sad that it comes to this.
• 44:57
  Speaker 17: You just wish that all people protesting, whatever side they
• 45:01
  Speaker 17: might be on, whatever issue they've got, they can do
• 45:04
  Speaker 17: it in such a way that they can stir up
• 45:06
  Speaker 17: a little bit of trouble, but the right kind of trouble.
• 45:09
  Speaker 17: So it's a it's a shame that we've sort of
• 45:12
  Speaker 17: got to keep talking about how everyone keeps stuffing up
• 45:16
  Speaker 17: a protest.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I say, Delica that everyone can protest, sure, but
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: you know, just protest in the square, get off the streets.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: You don't have the right to disrupt everyone.
• 45:27
  Speaker 18: Else, exactly, And not to mention that the millions of
• 45:29
  Speaker 18: dollars of police resourcing that is being used week in,
• 45:32
  Speaker 18: week out to get these people to stop blocking the
• 45:35
  Speaker 18: foot paths. You've got businesses are losing one day of
• 45:38
  Speaker 18: trade a week. And I don't have a problem with protests,
• 45:41
  Speaker 18: obviously it's a democratic right. But the issue I've got, Chris,
• 45:43
  Speaker 18: is that week after week they're turning into hateful protests.
• 45:46
  Speaker 18: Death to the IDF is, hateful, flags of terror groups,
• 45:49
  Speaker 18: that's hateful.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Clogging up, you know, blocking.
• 45:53
  Speaker 18: The National Art Gallery of Victoria, people can't get in
• 45:56
  Speaker 18: and out. That is hateful, and that is the problem
• 45:58
  Speaker 18: that we're seeing time and time again with these protests.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: It's pretty intimidating too. But I want to go to
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: another issue. I want to get a female perspective on
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: this one. The top of the show, I showed this
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: tweek from Victorian Parma Party. Senator Ralph babbittt these picture
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: of these women in their forties and fifties who are sassy.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: It says they're solvent to they're single, and he says,
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: why would you date and.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Marry a woman? Will past her problem?
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Give me a break?
• 46:25
  Speaker 18: Seriously, Well, what I would say to Senator Ralph Babbett. Firstly,
• 46:29
  Speaker 18: women of all ages are looking for love in this
• 46:32
  Speaker 18: day and age. There's nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 18: And secondly, Ralph Babbett clearly rates himself as some sea
• 46:38
  Speaker 18: big lathario. You know he really he's at his prime there,
• 46:44
  Speaker 18: he is in his prime. So I'd love to know
• 46:48
  Speaker 18: his maritals.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I probably don't want it make a.
• 46:51
  Speaker 18: Good couple, but seriously, there are women and men for
• 46:55
  Speaker 18: that matter, looking for love at all ages. It does
• 46:58
  Speaker 18: not need to be demonized. Would suggest that Ralph Babbett
• 47:01
  Speaker 18: gets back to work and does what he does represent
• 47:04
  Speaker 18: his constituents.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: Represent the great people of the Victoria justin that maybe
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: this is Ralph Babbitt's clever ploy here is actually a.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Call for love.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: He wants people to email his offers saying that they're
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: available and single and interested in him.
• 47:21
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not sure clever is a word.
• 47:23
  Speaker 17: I would this tactic. Mates better have a look at
• 47:27
  Speaker 17: have a look at Clive and but bet there they'd
• 47:29
  Speaker 17: be just beating him off with a stick, wouldn't they.
• 47:32
  Speaker 17: Surely you know finding love is no problem for from
• 47:37
  Speaker 17: people like that. But it's just a it's a good
• 47:40
  Speaker 17: thing when I'm paying him.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Oh wait, wait, sorry, we're paying for a year.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: Elected three years ago, he's got another three years to go.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: It's system were God, isn't it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: We force everyone to vote, We forced them to give
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: all their preferences on a great system.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: I tell you what. Let's have a look at this
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: later opinion.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Poll is Resolve Poles survey showing that two thirds of
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: Australians are desperate to hang on to the right to
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: work from home.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: We have created a monster here at Deneka.
• 48:10
  Speaker 18: We have created a monster.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 48:12
  Speaker 18: I think that this is no doubt a very popular policy. However,
• 48:16
  Speaker 18: if you are an employer. You are tearing your hair
• 48:19
  Speaker 18: out right right now. Why anybody would want to go
• 48:21
  Speaker 18: to business into business in this country right now is
• 48:23
  Speaker 18: beyond me. You've got work from home, You've got the
• 48:25
  Speaker 18: unions wanting a four day working week. Youns have got
• 48:28
  Speaker 18: their finger in every pie, Chris. You've got electricity bills skyrocketing.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: I our laws, no wonder. There's been a record.
• 48:34
  Speaker 18: Number of insolvencies. But the unions are the problem here.
• 48:37
  Speaker 18: I understand that this has going to be very popular.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 48:40
  Speaker 18: People want to work from home. But for an employer,
• 48:43
  Speaker 18: it's a nightmare. And that is the problem.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: It is a huge problem just and it can't be
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: a right.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: It's something that should be you know, work through flexibility
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: in the workplace, fantastic.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Do it. But it can't be a right, can it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Your employer needs to be able to drain the office
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: if they need you there.
• 49:01
  Speaker 17: I don't know where this is going to land, but
• 49:03
  Speaker 17: let's have a talk about the politics for a second here.
• 49:06
  Speaker 17: If you are a major political party in this country
• 49:09
  Speaker 17: and you're running in the next election, which they all
• 49:11
  Speaker 17: will be, you've better have an answer for this one,
• 49:14
  Speaker 17: don't you think, Because I mean, it's not going to
• 49:17
  Speaker 17: go anywhere. We see what we saw, what happened when
• 49:20
  Speaker 17: Peter Duntont tried to throw this in people's faces. It
• 49:23
  Speaker 17: just backfired on him badly. So whatever you think about
• 49:27
  Speaker 17: this and wherever, whichever way you sit on it, at
• 49:30
  Speaker 17: the next election, if we can have a good.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Debate on it, that would be terrific.
• 49:35
  Speaker 17: I think that's probably asking too much, but they better
• 49:38
  Speaker 17: have an answer because it's going to be a big one.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: It should be in the hands of the employer.
• 49:42
  Speaker 18: It should be the hands of the employer to make
• 49:44
  Speaker 18: the decision on what suits their business best.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: And that's the problem.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: The trouble is governments, the biggest world works.
• 49:49
  Speaker 17: Come on, it's not about just the employer getting to
• 49:52
  Speaker 17: make effidence all on. It is still have their place
• 49:55
  Speaker 17: and they do have a say.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Nonsense. I'll tell you what.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Justin and Anika, I'm so glad that you got off
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: your couches at home and came into work and joined
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: us for the wrangle. We'll see you next week, Danika.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Don't forget five o'clock here from Friday. That is all
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: the time we've got for you tonight. I'll be back tomorrow.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Night at five, Here's Steve Try Steve Price with Quedlin Cheers.