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Rugby Direct - Episode 169 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 3: Welcome into Rugby Very, powered by Habit Health, tackling all
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  Speaker 3: your aches and pains from sports and work. Elliott Smith
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  Speaker 3: with me Liam Napier, Back for another week of rugby
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  Speaker 3: Snannigan's and covering everything else that's gone on in the
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  Speaker 3: rugby globe this time. A week ago, Liam, we had
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  Speaker 3: the All Black squads locked in thirty three names, and
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  Speaker 3: inevitably we come back and reconvene a week later, and
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  Speaker 3: the squad has changed somewhat. Wallace a Titi out first
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  Speaker 3: and foremost that came out late last week and now
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  Speaker 3: on the we record to Mighty Williams also out for
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  Speaker 3: the French series with a torn at meniscus, so a
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  Speaker 3: couple of blows there from the All Blacks perspective. These
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  Speaker 3: are both first choice players so in certainly ended that
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  Speaker 3: last year as their first choice players in key positions.
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  Speaker 3: So a bit of a blow for Scott Robertson.
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  Speaker 4: Big setbacks Elliott. They were two of the All Black's
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  Speaker 4: best performance last year. Wallas Titi was the All Black's
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  Speaker 4: Player of the Year and World Rugby Breakthrough Player for
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  Speaker 4: a good reason, the way he came on the test scene,
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  Speaker 4: the impact he had and to Mighty Williams was a
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  Speaker 4: big mover last year, went past Ethan de Grout on
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  Speaker 4: that Northern tour and then this season really cemented that status.
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  Speaker 4: He can play both sides of the scrum. He's a
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  Speaker 4: destructive scrummager. He plays big minutes for a big man,
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  Speaker 4: great ball in hands, scores from close range, great feet,
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  Speaker 4: good hands. Really does it all for a modern day
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  Speaker 4: prop so it does while it does a lot of
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  Speaker 4: talking points and give others opportunities. We've got Christian Leo
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  Speaker 4: ready coming into the full squad as well as George Bauer.
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  Speaker 4: Those are two big setbacks Phil Blacks.
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  Speaker 3: They are as you mentioned, those players coming in there.
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  Speaker 3: But it would tend to sugguce that Ethan de group
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  Speaker 3: will start in Dunedin. Team will be named as per
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  Speaker 3: on a Thursday afternoon, Thursday morning, late Thursday morning, Thursday
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  Speaker 3: afternoon New Zealand. Ethan, the group should come in you
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  Speaker 3: would think as starting prop. The loose Ford max is
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  Speaker 3: very interesting because Luke Jacobson has been ruled out as
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  Speaker 3: well this week, So how does that shake down for
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  Speaker 3: this testing to need and your three starters and player
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  Speaker 3: coming off the bench. To me, it's just is going
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  Speaker 3: to be probably a couple of debutants, one starting, one
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  Speaker 3: coming off the bench.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be multiple debutantes across this all black team.
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  Speaker 4: Because I agree Ethan, the group will come in and start,
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  Speaker 4: and then you'll highly likely have Olie Norris coming off
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  Speaker 4: the bench for his first cap, so it'll be a
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  Speaker 4: big moment for him. You wouldn't imagine George Bauer, having
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  Speaker 4: just been called in over the weekend, will come on
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  Speaker 4: to the bench and it is a nice mix of
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  Speaker 4: having an experienced play with the debutant there and the
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  Speaker 4: loose forward mix.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, really up for grabs.
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  Speaker 4: Luke Jacobson, I think first and foremost it should be
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  Speaker 4: questions about why and how he came back to finish
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  Speaker 4: that game having passed his HIA and then been ruled
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  Speaker 4: out mandatory twelve days standown.
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  Speaker 5: So he's out of this first test.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it does present to question because his eyes were
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  Speaker 3: like sources that night, and look, you can only trust
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  Speaker 3: what information you were given, and if you were if
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  Speaker 3: he's been passed to play through the ha protocols to
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  Speaker 3: come back on the field, you know it's a fifteen
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  Speaker 3: minute stand down, they have to go through a cognitive test.
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  Speaker 2: Is past that.
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  Speaker 3: Questions whether that test is rigorous enough, whether this or
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  Speaker 3: just a one off, whether he was fine to pass
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  Speaker 3: that test and then had spells afterwards. There's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit up in the air as to what happened there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's one those examples where if you,
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  Speaker 4: I mean most people watching live, it looked like he
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  Speaker 4: had been knocked unconscious and so he probably shouldn't have
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  Speaker 4: even gone through the HIA protocols. He should have been
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  Speaker 4: ruled out then and there I guess at least he's
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  Speaker 4: been ruled out subsequently. But in that moment, I definitely
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  Speaker 4: don't think he should have came back and finished that
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  Speaker 4: game and losing him as another blow. Because of his versatility,
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  Speaker 4: he can play six seven eights, and that's one of
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  Speaker 4: the reasons he has been included in this squad. So
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  Speaker 4: let's go to the balance of that loose forward trio,
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  Speaker 4: and for me, it really comes down to where.
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  Speaker 5: Artie Severe plays.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: All indications were that Artie was going to move to
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  Speaker 4: seven this year. The All Blacks were impressed by what
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  Speaker 4: he did for Moana at seven. Wallace a Titi's preferred
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  Speaker 4: position was eight. It was all set up for that
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  Speaker 4: to happen. And now they're going to have to have
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  Speaker 4: a rethink. Do they stick with Ardie seven or do
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  Speaker 4: they just push that out a little bit and and
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  Speaker 4: Plamer eight, where he has featured for the All Blacks
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  Speaker 4: and the Hurricanes previously for what the best part of
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  Speaker 4: two three years.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think we're down to a question of whether
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  Speaker 3: you start Duplessy Kafi on deboo or whether you start
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  Speaker 3: Christian Leo Willi on deboo' that's the option, and for me,
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  Speaker 3: I almost think that having Artie back at seven would
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  Speaker 3: be the preferred option.
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  Speaker 2: This week.
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  Speaker 3: I like the balance probably a little bit better of
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  Speaker 3: female Savia Christian Leo Willi than I would female Kadifi Savia.
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  Speaker 5: Well, female starts at six regardless.
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  Speaker 3: As Lockton's unless then move to po II or Scott
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  Speaker 3: Barrett to start at six, which was sort of mentioned
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  Speaker 3: last week by Scott Robertson that they could are going
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  Speaker 3: to have a couple of locks that will cover blindside.
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  Speaker 3: Now two of them can two of them probably can't
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  Speaker 3: tap a lot in holand being the ones that can't.
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  Speaker 3: Is that an option this week or do you just
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  Speaker 3: go with the loose forwards that you've selected in the squad.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's it's a live option, but I think
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  Speaker 4: it's probably something you look at in game or later
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  Speaker 4: in the match, rather than a starting rather than getting
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  Speaker 4: too cute. It's something that you go to, maybe out
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  Speaker 4: of necessity if you had an injury later in the week.
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  Speaker 4: We saw that previously with to provide starting at six
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  Speaker 4: in the All Blacks lost to France at the World Cup.
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  Speaker 4: But there is enough loose for cover in that All
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  Speaker 4: Black squad, so I agree with you that it does
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  Speaker 4: come down to where Ardi plays and whether they throw
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  Speaker 4: Christianly aware straight in. I think they probably will. Personally,
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  Speaker 4: I would put Arty to eight and give Duple C
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  Speaker 4: the crack from the outset. I think he has earned it,
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  Speaker 4: not that Weady hasn't, but Dup was firstly selected in
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  Speaker 4: the squad. Leo Weirdy was injury cover, and I think
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  Speaker 4: I would like to see grief he given an extended
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  Speaker 4: crack at that seven jersey.
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  Speaker 2: It looks so would I to an extent.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that the hierarchy of your selected first
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  Speaker 3: kind of matters though, because they didn't select enough loose Fords.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think in the first place they went one short,
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  Speaker 3: they could have.
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  Speaker 4: Slipkepd at thirty five players they sent left themselves exposed
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  Speaker 4: by yeah, selecting five and Ethan.
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  Speaker 3: Black At, according to Scott Robinson speaking to Jason Pine
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  Speaker 3: on his show yesterday, has a medical issues so not
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  Speaker 3: available for selection currently. He would have been in contention
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  Speaker 3: potentially to come in with that Satiti injury, at least
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  Speaker 3: his injury cover, which is what Dalton Papaliti's role is
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  Speaker 3: at the moment. But they've left themselves a little bit
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  Speaker 3: short there, and maybe if Simon Parker was fit, they
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  Speaker 3: might have also looked to blood him, but they have basically,
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  Speaker 3: as I see it, two options this week. I think
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  Speaker 3: you're going one way. I'm probably going the other. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think there's a well they probably is a right
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  Speaker 3: or wrong answer, but either way we're going to see
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  Speaker 3: two new all Blacks in the loose Ford Mikes this weekend.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's a matter of whether Leah Whitt is on
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  Speaker 4: the bench or Carefair, and I think whatever the case,
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  Speaker 4: it is an exciting proposition, isn't it to see? The
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  Speaker 4: loose forwards were always the most contentious element of the
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  Speaker 4: squad from the outset. Now you've had it further injury setbacks.
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  Speaker 4: Now there's going to be a couple of rookies thrust
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  Speaker 4: into the mix, and it will be a bit of
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  Speaker 4: an evolving picture as the seria goes on. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: as it stands, I'd leave Ardi at eight. I'll put
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  Speaker 4: through Perceeed a seven and Summer Penny at six. But
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  Speaker 4: there is less flexibility with your bench options as well
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  Speaker 4: having those injuries, because you don't have a guy like
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  Speaker 4: Ja Gibson, you don't have a guy likes tiqu both
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  Speaker 4: of whom can play multiple positions.
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  Speaker 5: What about Leo Weady? Would you consider him as a six?
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  Speaker 3: I think he's played a bit of six before, hasn't
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  Speaker 3: he for a Tigo? I'm not sure about the Crusaders.
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  Speaker 3: Off the top of my head, I think there would
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  Speaker 3: be the less than ideal scenario, and given you've got
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  Speaker 3: also to provide in the twenty three, you would think
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  Speaker 3: he could potentially cover that blind side, so I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily want to see him there at six. At test level,
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  Speaker 3: he hasn't played a lot of it, but it's probably
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  Speaker 3: if you had a couple of injuries, you could probably
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  Speaker 3: slote in there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So while there'll be a lot of focus on seven
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  Speaker 4: and eight, whether it's Ardi Carrefi or Leo Werdi, this
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  Speaker 4: series is really set up for female. Jacobson will return
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  Speaker 4: and will likely get a crack, but female has not
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  Speaker 4: convinced at test level. The All Blacks partly selected him
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  Speaker 4: because they felt like he was really ready to go
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  Speaker 4: before that French the loss to France and Paris last year,
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  Speaker 4: and he got knocked down in the first minute or
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  Speaker 4: so when luck I came on, Luckeye came on, and
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  Speaker 4: so they've invested a lot in him and he hasn't
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  Speaker 4: repaid that faith yet and he needs too soon.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he's the prototype that they want, and in selecting
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  Speaker 3: him of a black Adder, they've gone, this is the
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  Speaker 3: kind kind of player that we want, a player that
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  Speaker 3: gets over the game line, that has will post contact
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  Speaker 3: meters than Blackadder is involved in that intangible of explosiveness.
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  Speaker 2: But he has that explosiveness a genue about him.
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  Speaker 5: Line out figure.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly, but a threat with ball and hands and black
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  Speaker 3: added simply isn't that he busted and put a number
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  Speaker 3: of tackles in. We saw that in the super ruggy Plovs.
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  Speaker 3: I think, what thirty against the Blues and another big
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  Speaker 3: shifter against the Chiefs in the final. But that's not
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  Speaker 3: what they're looking for at the moment. So they've gone
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  Speaker 3: with the prototype. This is the body, this is the
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  Speaker 3: kind of player that we want. Now they need the
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  Speaker 3: player to match up. Will they get it in this
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  Speaker 3: French series? They kind of have to. They've invested a
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  Speaker 3: lot in them.
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  Speaker 4: They have and while this is a seconds very much
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  Speaker 4: a second string French side, we are going to find
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  Speaker 4: out about female because it will be a big French
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  Speaker 4: pack that that's a non negotiables that's how they approach it.
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  Speaker 4: The other big thing with female discipline. He had some
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  Speaker 4: issues with the Chiefs this season. In the final series
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  Speaker 4: he got pinged a couple of times. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was against the Blue.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he was awful in that Blue.
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  Speaker 3: His last the last twenty five minutes of the Blue
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  Speaker 3: I think considered four or five penalties.
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  Speaker 4: And his penchant for hunting and smashing first fives is great,
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  Speaker 4: but he very much borders on the line of the
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  Speaker 4: law with tackle heights and timing. So he needs to
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  Speaker 4: get that discipline right because there's a real bugbear of
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  Speaker 4: Scott Robertson as well, and it can cost you test matchic.
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  Speaker 2: It can and it's not definitely ruled it test well.
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  Speaker 3: It is definitely ruled at Test level, but that's something
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  Speaker 3: they watched for at Test level a lot more than
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  Speaker 3: maybe at Super rugby level. The margins are so thin.
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  Speaker 3: You give something that's going to be flagged up to
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  Speaker 3: the TMO, that's red rag to a bull. The TMO
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  Speaker 3: loves getting involved, they love getting their paycheck out. You
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  Speaker 3: can't do that at Test level. So he's going to
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  Speaker 3: have to be right on this week. Let's go through
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the run on side then, because we've
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  Speaker 3: talked about the loose fords the front row nowree Taylor Lomax,
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  Speaker 3: is that perck itself? Yep, same with the locks. So
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  Speaker 3: let's say Barrett and to provide yeah, okay, we'll skip
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  Speaker 3: over the loose forwards regard and Barrett nine and ten.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's interesting, isn't it that there
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  Speaker 4: seems to be a bit of a push to generate
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  Speaker 4: debate about who starts at ten. For me, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think there's really a question. I don't think there is
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  Speaker 4: either that question was answered.
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  Speaker 3: I know Mackenzie had a great testing in Siland last year,
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  Speaker 3: but if you look at where they ended the year,
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  Speaker 3: they ended with Boten Bart as their first choice ten.
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  Speaker 5: And what happened in Super Agbi.
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  Speaker 4: There was Mackenzie his moments this season, and I think
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  Speaker 4: he's a more dynamic attacking prospect. Yeah, he really can
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  Speaker 4: spark a team, but there were some big question marks
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  Speaker 4: and big games towards the end of the season about
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  Speaker 4: his ability to imprint himself on the game or game
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  Speaker 4: manage that that sort of tag still hangs over his head,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't it.
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  Speaker 3: It does wings, Caleb Clark, Sevy Reese. That's probably where
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking at.
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  Speaker 4: I think so, and I think that we obviously will
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  Speaker 4: see change there, and I think we will see whether
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  Speaker 4: it's in a starting or positional shift later in a match.
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  Speaker 4: Guys like Riquowhani will play spend time on the wing,
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  Speaker 4: and Ruben Love. I think we will see those guys
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  Speaker 4: feature there, but I think for a first test all
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: Blacks teams generally pretty scratchy to start the year. You're
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  Speaker 4: bringing different super rugby teams together. Last year, with the
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  Speaker 4: All Blacks so much change with a complete coaching overhaul,
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  Speaker 4: the All Blacks were guilty of overloading and they really
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  Speaker 4: struggled to come together for the first two weeks against England.
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  Speaker 4: So I think what we'll see the general theme will
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  Speaker 4: be cohesion and established combinations, and then you'll see some
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  Speaker 4: changes throughout the series.
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  Speaker 3: Fall back and then Barrett Jordy that is, and Yuanni
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  Speaker 3: and midfield. There's been a few whispers around that maybe
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  Speaker 3: Procter might be the guy to start this week. I
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  Speaker 3: guess we'll find out Thursday. Would that surprise you whispers?
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  Speaker 4: I mean nothing to back it up. You know, people
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  Speaker 4: throw things out and it wouldn't surprise me because Jordie
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  Speaker 4: and Billy have an established combination. But it would surprise
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  Speaker 4: me because it's the first test of the year. I
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  Speaker 4: think the penny has dropped with the All Blacks that
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  Speaker 4: they need to invest in Procter, give them more game time.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't use them in the Rugby Championship last year. That
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  Speaker 4: was a massive oversight, and so we will see him
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  Speaker 4: start at thirteen in this series, but I do not
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  Speaker 4: expect it to be this first test the bench Tokyojo.
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  Speaker 3: You would suspect Norris will come in tight head, reserved,
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  Speaker 3: tight head, would think the loose forward that we talked
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  Speaker 3: about a bit.
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  Speaker 4: Earlier McKenzie, and then maybe maybe a Proctor or a
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  Speaker 4: Lenna Brown.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, with Lennet Brown's fit was the question, I suppose,
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  Speaker 3: and Procton, who really covers center, doesn't give you a
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  Speaker 3: lot of versatility and the outside backs, and that's probably
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  Speaker 3: we got unstuck a little bit in terms of game
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  Speaker 3: time last year, is that he can only cover that
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  Speaker 3: one position. Interesting to see where they go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, Lennard Brown does give you a lot
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  Speaker 4: more versatility. I was thinking across that back line, you
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  Speaker 4: don't really have another second five eight option. If Jeordie
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: went down, your had belly on the on the bench.
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  Speaker 3: So would it open the door for a top of
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  Speaker 3: tab of Nawai potentially to come off the bench for
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  Speaker 3: a debut.
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  Speaker 5: Not yet, I think maybe third test for a tub
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  Speaker 5: of toab naha.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, A couple of other things just on
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  Speaker 3: that obviously we mentioned to Mighty Williams out at the top.
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  Speaker 3: This is becoming a wee bit of a tradition, all
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  Speaker 3: Blacks players fighting through injury to play a Super Rugby
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  Speaker 3: final then being out for an extended peer. You think
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  Speaker 3: Sam Whitelocke in twenty twenty three against the Chiefs played
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  Speaker 3: eighty minutes on I think it was leg injury again
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  Speaker 3: and said Kelly's, Kelly's. He said to me after the
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  Speaker 3: game that the Blacks coaches won't be happy. I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they were having ready in Foster's book and talked
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  Speaker 3: to him at the time about it. He missed I
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: think the first two tests of that World Cup year.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick Toyp a lot too slightly different, was expected to
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: be out until midway through the All Blacks July series,
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  Speaker 3: came back early, played in July, but then was ruled
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  Speaker 3: out with a calf injury a bit later on. They
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  Speaker 3: excuse me, And now to mighty Williams with that knee
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  Speaker 3: injury that when knew were back quarter finally played semi
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  Speaker 3: final from Rey didn't finally played. Now he's out for
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  Speaker 3: six to eight weeks. Acording to Scott Robertson, it's an
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  Speaker 3: annual tradition.
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  Speaker 5: Now there's some real iron, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: That Scott Robinson's up today and he's been questioned about
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  Speaker 4: whether to Mighty Williams should have played in the Super
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  Speaker 4: ABI final and you can sense the anks there now
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: he's all Black coage, but the shoe was on the
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: other foot in a big way when he was lording
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  Speaker 4: Sam Whitelock as a godlike immortal for playing eighty minutes
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  Speaker 4: on Achilles. That's hanging on by a three in twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny how perspectives changed very very quickly given
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: that all Black's job. And you just do not want
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: to see players engine or push themselves in Super Rugby
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: beyond their limits.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: That's a right look.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Scarbb has made the point that players want to play
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: and I can completely understand that if you have invested
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: yourself in a Super Rugby campaign, if you're on the
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: cusp and it's a one off game final, of course
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: you want to give everything you can to try and
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: win a championship for your team. But there is a
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: natural conflict that exists there where Tamaty Williams is now
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: unavailable for six to eight weeks, is to have surgery
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: on that knee, and maybe that wouldn't have been the case.
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Maybe it would have healed without surgery. If he doesn't
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: play the final, the All Blacks have some depth there.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Sam Whitelock's absence wasn't terminal for the All Blacks, but
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: there's a question, I guess, of what takes priority, and
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: that there is a very real conflict that exists that
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: the All Blacks don't have jurisdiction to say you're not playing.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: We should they but they would bloody well. I'd love to, yeah,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: but I don't think they should. And you know, you're
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: got to play what's in front of you.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: You can only play if you want to play a
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Super Rugby final and you think you're fit to play
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: and you can push yourself through it. Then I think
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I've got no problem with them playing. And if that
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: comes at the expense of them missing the All Blacks,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: then good. We've sat too long where the best players
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: aren't playing Super Rugby and I have kept themselves either
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: medically fresh for the season or you know, in terms
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: of reaching the bar of what they're capable of on
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: the park, you know, until later in the Super Rugby season.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I think it's good that we've got players putting Super
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Rugby ahead of international rugby because for so long it's
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: been prioritized international rugby. Rest in rotation got to say
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: that games. I've got no issue with it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: I agree, but I'll throw a question at you. Do
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: the Crusaders win that Super Rugby title if George Bauer
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: starts well.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: To Mighty Williams was a minse in that final.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Jorde Bow's a handy replacement and he's come obviously the
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: All Black squad, I think they probably still do. Fletcher
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Neul was huge on the other side. It sounds like
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: he's good to go with spite also playing through an
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: injury on the other side of the scrums he had
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: two injured props.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Deal to the Chiefs on that night. They probably still wouldn't.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: It'd be an interesting question to ask to Mighty as well,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: would you do it again knowing that you will miss
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: at least three tests for the All Blacks.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: And go back a couple of years. You know, Sam
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Whitelocke that was his last Crusader's game that one.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: So he was important context.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: You know, it was a final and everything like that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: If it was a round fifteen game and they're out
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: of the playoffs. Probably doesn't play it. Yeah, it was
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: more the irony today totally. Yeah, And as I say,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I just read about that chapter in Ian Foster's book
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: where it was it was brought up and obviously his
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: frustrations as you would have as the All Blacks. Which
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: what do we expect from the French this week? It's
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: going to be interesting old week. I have seen a
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: lot of theories around their team. Sounds like they'll probably
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: be an average of about maybe a total of eighty
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: two caps in the pack is what I've heard, so
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: average about ten caps you know in the pack per player.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Gl Fku in the back line is probably going to
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: contribute about ninety five caps himself roughly off the top
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: of my head. There's some players that New Zealanders may
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: have heard of in passing and that have been here before,
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: all played the All Blacks prior.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: But it's a green French team, isn't it.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Look let's not get away from the fact that this
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: is a second during French team and that's not disrespectful.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: That is fact.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Well, if the All Blacks had not seen players in
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: the Crusaders and Chiefs, you know into the series and
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: said I actually will come in for the second.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Then we would be saying the same thing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Yeahred percent. And it's just a few facts. I guess
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: that the average age of the squad, there's a thirty
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: eight man squad the French twenty five years. The average
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: number of caps is nine eighteen. Of the thirty man
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: squad almost half uncapped. Of players with eighteen caps or more,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: there's only six of them, and so it's very green.
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: And that's not to say that the French haven't built depth,
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: that they don't have talents, that they don't have experience
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: winning in the Southern hemisphere, that they could not cause
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: an upset. But this is not the best of the best.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: But it is interesting because the All Blacks are very
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: on edge about the narrative that this is a b
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: French team, that they're gonna have their backs to the wall,
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: they've got nothing to lose, and that's somehow the media
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: is sort of complicit in fueling that narrative and giving
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: them another arm to grow.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: So I think our colleagues at the breakdown last night
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: company the exact where they use was a disgraceful or
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: shambola around the lack of selection around that.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Do you subscribe to that?
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: I think I think it's insulting to.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Use you to international rugby and and the the concept
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: that of nationalism of yeah, let's the reverse. So the
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: All Black scot front Paris last year and rolled out
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: a second string team. They get beaten, well beaten. That
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: damages their brands. But I think the other point is
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: this is nothing new for France. They have not not
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: invested in this test calendar in terms of the July
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: window for some time. It was the same when they
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: went to Argentina last year, and there is a clear
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: reason for that, and that's because their their top fourteen
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: runs so long. The clubs run their their game is
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: extremely well supported. You know the scenes from Toulouse, We've
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: been there. It's a passionate rugby town that takes priority
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: at this summer year. And so the five players from
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: that final are meant to be coming out later in
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: this series. But it is a great shame, isn't it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: It takes the wind out of the series. Yeah, the
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: game in d Eden's still sold out, so there's massive
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: interest in the All Blacks. But I think it doesn't
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: change the expectation that the All Blacks will be expected
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: to win three nil and win reasonably comfortably when the
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: All Blecks have lost their last three tests to Fronts
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: and twenty eighteen was the last time they beat them,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: and that was in a similar window. It was June,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: but it was the same sort of concept and they
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: won very comfortably. So that that's the sort of expectation
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: that's around the series and that's why Scott Robinson and
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: the All Blacks are nervous.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a dangerous expectation to set when you're expected
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: to win, as the All Blacks are every time they
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: go in the park, but when it's the opposition that's
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: a little creaky. I guess there are issues around that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: This is a French thing that not a lot of
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: play people would know about. We know the big names
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: French Stop fourteen is not on TV here, we're not
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: exposed to it, so there is a real sense of
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: the unknown this week. But for the French it's a
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: chance to blood a lot of players. They've got tremendous
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: depth as it is, they's only going to grow two
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: years out from the World Cup.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's also no more excuses for the All
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Blacks like yes, coming into July, there are a wee
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: bit scratchy, But this is a coaching group that has
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: been together largely for the best part of a year.
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: They've developed a lot of these combinations well established. Now
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: they should be on the same page. They don't have to,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: you know, it's not starting afresh like it was last
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: year's They've had the best part of six months to
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: review last year and absorb the lessons and map out
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: how they want to play their games. So I think
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: the expectation on the All Blacks is fully justified.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: I think so too.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: All Blacks team around lunchtime on Thursday, the French naming
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: their team Wednesday nights. I believe you can follow it
• 25:14
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• 25:16
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• 25:19
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• 25:21
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  Speaker 3: I'm now for the final four four Rugby topics plenty
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: to get stuck into The Lions open the Ossie part
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: of their tour against the Western Force with a big
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: win fifty four points to seven. She was fairly comfortable
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: in the second spell. They just ran over the top
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: of a Force team they hadn't played in a few weeks.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: We're missing a few people in the Wallabies about what
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: we probably expected out of that game.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Force were Australia's worst team and like you say,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: missing their best players. So it's a tune up match
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: for the Lions. It's not their full strength team. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I looked at some of the stats even in their
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: loss to the Pumas and that Lion's team they made
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: so many more line breakspak so many more defenders.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: So this is a really good Lions team, it is.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I think I'd be worried about the miss tackle stat
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: from the weekend. I think it was and I don't
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: the numbers in front of me, but it was a
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: lot for a team that won fifty four points to
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: seven they missed. I think it was more than twenty tackles.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: It was a fast game last game, yep. A lot
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: of fatigue at the back end, even of the first half.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Players are blowing a lot of kicking, a lot of running,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: so I'm not overly surprised by that. But yeah, the
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Lions tour is also a hectic schedule, now, isn't it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: They play the Reds mid week and then the Warratars
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: on the weekends and then you know, the first Test
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks. The Wallabies have a tune
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: up against Fiji, so it will be in an engrossing series.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: But look, let's be honest, if you paint the picture
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: of this series, there's every expectation rightfully, so that line
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: should win three nil. The Wallabies have made great improvements
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: under Joe Schmitt, but they are still very much developing
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: into that where this is the best of the best
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: of Europe, France and Italy excluded. You know, Ireland's England's
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Finn Russell's in great form. I think there's one or
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: two Welshmen have managed to crack the squad. Thomas Williams
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: might be on his way home, so I'm got anyone
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: left actually, But look, it is a very good lines team.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: What do you think do you think they'll win three nil?
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: They're expected to, as you said, If the Wallabies don't
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: win the first Test in Brisbane. It will be three
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: nil because the lines will get better and better, and
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: we've seen that in recent tours I think, so if
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: you had to pin me down, I'd say they will
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: win three now all right, it's.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Two to one.
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Topic number two in multi All Black surge and their
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: second spell against Japan fairly comfortable in the end. It
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: was a tight first spell, played in a bit of
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: heats over in Japan, but just ultimately too good the
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Maldi All Blacks. For a team that only flew out
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: on the Wednesday Langdon into Tokyo that night and then
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: played on Saturday, not too bad in terms of the
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: score they ran up.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: I think they had a bit of unfinished business this team.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: They lost one game out in Japan last time. Ecklam
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: mentioned that postmatch that sort of stuck in the kraps,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: so I think that would have been part of their motivation.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: And it's an interesting series, isn't it. You get the
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: feeling like I'm not. I don't want to undermine the
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Maldi team because it does. It has steeped in history,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: but from I don't know, it's not something you put
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: on a pedestal. If you think about the previous some
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: of the itineries that the Mouldi All Blacks have had
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: when they've played the Lions, played England, when they've come
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: out to tour New Zealand.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: New Zealand.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Raby has this memorandum of understanding of Japan and clearly
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: there's stipulations about how many games they have to play
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: each year over there, and it does feel like the
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Mouldy All Blacks and the All Blacks fifteen a fulfilling
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: a lot of those commitments.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: It does, and I don't know whether that's the right
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: thing for the Moldy All Blacks to be treated that way,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: but I also don't see a path to them getting
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: more games. You know, the test calendar is so congested
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: as it is. It really is only those times of
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the year when you know the calendar when the Lions
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: are coming in and they can potentially play games against
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: them or these sort of series. You got Scotland obviously
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: in fang Ada over the weekend. It's going to be
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: second string Scotland. They're keeping their international team active while
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: the lines are going on. Those seem to be the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: opportunities and even you know, I think that they obviously
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: played Ireland twenty twenty two in that series, which was great,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: But for next year those go as well, those three
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: ties series, there will be any of those opportunities. So
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: it feels like it's been a little bit marginalized the
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Muldi All Blacks. But also don't see where on the
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: calendar you could fit players in or fit a team
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: in and play regular international fixtures against top teams.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's bloody tough, isn't it to uphold the prestige
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: of that team because I've got vivid memories. I think
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: it was that John o' gibbs who led the muldy
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: All Blacks to victory of the Lions, and just the
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: emotion and the scenes and the passion and the pride
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: around those sort of results.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Did they beat England down in New Zealand as well? Yep,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: so some massive results, you know, And wouldn't it be
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: great to see them play the spring Box or the Wallabies,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: But that's but fanciful in the current climate. So it's
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: important to maintain that team. But the context and the
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: relevance of going to Japan and playing a couple of
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: one off games, it doesn't necessarily wit the appetite.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: You'll be interesting to see in twenty thirty when the
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: Sutifrakan too comes here whether there is an opportunity to
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: play the Moldy All Blacks, so whether it's you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: only the Super Rugby teams, that'll be fascinating, but it's
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: hard to see them getting much of an increase program
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: to this point.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Topic number three.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: We touched on this a little bit last week when
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: we did our Super Rugby Final rap and also the
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: All Black squad. But chance now to just rate CLAYD
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: mcmillon's tenure. I think he's off this week to begin
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: a new life in Munster. How would you write his
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: time in charge of the Chiefs also the Mouldi All
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Blacks as well. He's been a plenty. He's been pretty
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: good servants in New Zealand rugby and I'm sure it
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: would be more to come.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, All Blacks fifteen as well. So very much in
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: that high performance on the cusp of the All Blacks
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: five year, ten year with the Chiefs. I think in
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: the cold lighted day in the media aftermath of losing
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: a fourth final and how disappointing that is for those
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: in Chiefs country, it's easy to forget where he started
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: coming in as an interim coach Warren Gatlin going to
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: coach the Lions in South Africa was only ever meant
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: to be a six month tenure and the Chiefs were
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: in a real bad place. They went on to match
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: their worst ever losing streaker. I think it was eleven
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: matches with McMillan. I think he presided over two of
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: those and then really turned it around. And he did
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: that by drilling down into their culture, by getting by in.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: He promoted a lot of players to the All Blacks
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: in that time as well, and brought through a number
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: of different coaches.
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: I'd give him eight out of ten.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I think those finals there's clearly something that he would
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: reflect on and something he would maybe missing in the
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: tool belt. The inability to get over that hump, that
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: mental hurd or whatever it is to not deliver a
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: championship having been that their most consistent team in the
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: last three years will great him. But I really hope
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: he goes to Monster and has a real impact at
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: a club that will have big expectations but has a
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: similar sort of investment in the pride and their history
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: and all those sorts of things. And been exposed to
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: different styles and players I think will only benefit him.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it will too.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I'll go to give him seven and a half out
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: of ten, probably doctor point till half a point for
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: those lost finals. But he's been great for the Chiefs,
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: has instilled a real culture in them that had probably
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: been missing since the day of Rainy Days and Wayne
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Smith that sort of was there, but then it's sort
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: of unraveled and they've been closed. But he got them
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: back to the you know, the top table in terms
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: of New Zealand Super Rugby sides. And yeah, that final defeat,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: four of them will stick with them, and the fact
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: that they all lost in different ways. It wasn't just
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: one thing that can signed them to defeat. That was
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: probably an easy fix twenty twenty one in Super Abiot
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: or twenty three in the Super Rugby final against the Crusaders.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: You know they didn't concede a point when they had
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: fifteen players in the park and said at all their
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: points while they were down to fourteen men, got blown
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: up by the Blues last year, lost and arm wrestled
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: against the Crusaders. So in a weird way, he's lost
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: in different ways and that might actually gnaw at him
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more that it's not one thing, easy
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  Speaker 3: fix sort of scenario. It's been a number of things.
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  Speaker 3: But he's a very good coach and I think promising
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  Speaker 3: in the New Zealand set up. If we look at
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  Speaker 3: a World Cup cycle away or maybe two from here
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  Speaker 3: on inwards, I'm sure he's going to be back in
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: All Blacks contention, especially if his monster tenure goes well.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and interesting just to watch that from a five.
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  Speaker 4: Rob Penny spent two years I think at a Munster.
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  Speaker 4: Dave Rennie went to Glasgow, Scott Robin not Scott Robertson,
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: Todd Blackhead.
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  Speaker 5: It was it Edinburgh.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a long list of New Zealand coaches. Pat
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  Speaker 4: lamb as he took Connock to It wasn't the USC,
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  Speaker 4: then it was some other previous iteration. Twelve I think
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  Speaker 4: it used to be a Pro twelve it was and
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  Speaker 4: then he went on to Prostal. So if you can
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  Speaker 4: make an impact then I think that could potentially be
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  Speaker 4: very much a stepping stone to international rugby, whether that's
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: what the All Blacks or another team.
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  Speaker 2: It could well be topic number four.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry you broke last week alongside one of our colleagues
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  Speaker 3: here at the heralds kennemc namara more on a pacificate
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  Speaker 3: and the funding saga look at an important story obviously
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  Speaker 3: around where some of the funding's coming and come in
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  Speaker 3: and is going and where it's going to for next year.
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  Speaker 2: I guess in a pure rugby sense we look.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: At it and go Moana's future is under a bit
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  Speaker 3: of a cloud, would it be fair to say on.
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  Speaker 5: A knife edge? Yeah, all.
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  Speaker 4: Revenue streams compromised or under threats. And I guess if
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: you've broaden it out like you say to a rugby
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  Speaker 4: Contextas as a team that had its most successful year
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  Speaker 4: in history, lurid Arde Severe won six matches, knocked off
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  Speaker 4: four of the five New Zealand teams, cultivated or generated,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: brought in more social media followed, was than the other
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: New Zealand teams and the Super Rugby account combined, so
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  Speaker 4: you know, real engagements.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 4: But yet money matters, and from everything from their broadcast
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: funding to their skyfront a Jersey to World Rugby to
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: their backers, the Pacific Medical Association is now under the
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: spotlight and it would be horrenous, wouldn't it if this
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  Speaker 4: team didn't survive. I think there's a lot of good
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: will and a lot of parties need to come together
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  Speaker 4: to get them over the line. But it is also
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: a continuation of what we've seen in Australia with the
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Melbourne Rebels and that the Brumby has been bailed out
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: by Rugby Australia and the Hurricanes losing two million dollars
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  Speaker 4: in recent times and having to tap up investors for
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: another million dollars.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: So super Rugby.
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  Speaker 4: It costs about twelve to thirteen million to run a
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: club and it is proving really difficult for Mauana to
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: find that money. Do you think we'll be on the
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: start line next year? I think they will, but it's
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: not just next year. It's been sustainable because it's one
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: thing to get a Nani laal Marpi or a Nadi
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Severe to come over. That's a positive step, but then
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: it's finding backers who will stick and who have viable
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: funding streams. It's challenging because is not a profitable business.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: And they're still pushing on with making signings, announcing players,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: you know Smisi to portay Law recommitting for another couple
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: of years. So they're barreling on as as business as usual,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: But we've got this clouding hanging over them and it's
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: going to come to a head at some point it is.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: And I think it's certainly before the end of the year.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: You can't have that uncertainty and jeopardy hanging over a
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: competition with drawers need to be finalized and players futures
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: and all the rest of it. But you just have
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: to look at the broadcast deal that New zeal Rugby
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: and skygaing to stitch together. It's going to be a reduction,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: So there goes you know, the overall pool is shrunk
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: for the eleven teams. So where the world rugby are
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: asked to stump up some cash? Maybe Rugby Australia, but yeah,
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: the pacifica Medical Association brought Winer last year. They've lost
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: over half their very you so where do they go to?
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Are they in it for the long haul?
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Does somebody else need to come and can other investors
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: be found? Should the team be based in New Zealand
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: so they have to move offshore. There's a lot of
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: big questions to be worked through.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Indeed, they're aspecting of different big questions. We didn't get
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: any response on you know, good suit plays cheese roll
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: place ineed and our listeners didn't quite come to the
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: party on that one.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: No, you might have to hit up our Dunedin local
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Paul Cully, he might know some spot for a bit
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: of west We get our colders and then you know,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: you look at the temperature and you're a Southerner man.
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: No, but you look at the temperature and you go,
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: I can handle that. But you've actually got to incorporate
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: the windshill which actually you sort of deducts about fifteen
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: degrees off the temperature that it's listed as.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: Cash in your Southern CARDA. Don't tell Ethan the group,
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: you won't be welcome anyway.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: That's probably a good place to end it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: That'll do it for Rugby Directs with our friends and
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: habitat tackling or your aches and pains, resport on work
• 40:04
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• 40:05
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