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The Late Debate | 18 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. James Macpherson
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  Speaker 2: with Caleb Bond and filling in for Frei Leitch. It's
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  Speaker 2: the wonderful Danika de Giorgio coming up tonight. Bob Katter
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  Speaker 2: being investigated by police after waving a knife around as
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  Speaker 2: a prop during a political campaign. Queensland's finance minister was
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  Speaker 2: charged with enforcing responsible spending by MPs.
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  Speaker 3: So why she build.
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  Speaker 2: Taxpayers for milk, medicine and heat packs while on an
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  Speaker 2: overseas trip. Plus, a tech company causes outrage after offering
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  Speaker 2: people a chance to interact with dead relatives using AI.
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  Speaker 3: Now we'll get to all.
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  Speaker 2: Of that shortly, but we have to start with news
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  Speaker 2: of an extraordinary action set to take place in New
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  Speaker 2: York tomorrow. What's going under the hammer, you ask, Well,
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  Speaker 2: a toilet bowl, But not just any toilet bowl. This
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  Speaker 2: is a fully functional throne sculpted from solid gold by
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  Speaker 2: Italian artist Marizzio Catlan. It's the kind of lou that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't just flush at flauntce weighing it at one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and one kilograms of eighteen carrot bling, It's valued at
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  Speaker 2: ten million dollars US and Sotheby's reckon it might fetch
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  Speaker 2: even more than that, proof that some people really do
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  Speaker 2: piss their money away. But who's going to buy a
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  Speaker 2: solid gold toilet. I don't want to be a party
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  Speaker 2: pooper here, Caleb and Dnika.
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  Speaker 3: But how wise, if it's passed in it.
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  Speaker 4: Started, I wonder if you when you lift up the lid,
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  Speaker 4: do you find a golden nugget inside? Oh, good evening, John,
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  Speaker 4: who is joining us from their bathrooms and and other
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  Speaker 4: places this evening?
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  Speaker 1: I love this and as a piece of art, I
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  Speaker 1: love it.
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  Speaker 4: And because Marizio Catalan's point in doing this, and he
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  Speaker 4: was the same bloke who did that banana yes, take
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  Speaker 4: to the wall last year that sold from senior amount
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  Speaker 4: of money. Then the bloke who bought it ate it
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  Speaker 4: soon after he bought it. But the whole point of
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  Speaker 4: this piece is to demonstrate how absurd a lot of
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  Speaker 4: the art world is, and how absurd our bounds of.
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  Speaker 1: What we call art actually is.
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  Speaker 4: He has said at one point, whatever you eat a
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  Speaker 4: two hundred dollars lunch or a two dollar hot dog,
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  Speaker 4: the results are the same toilet wise.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the point is great. He's also called it.
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  Speaker 4: One percent art for the ninety nine percent it is obscene,
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  Speaker 4: but it is obviously obscene and deliberately obscene to make
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  Speaker 4: a point about just how ridiculous a lot of art
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  Speaker 4: is these days.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if you can.
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  Speaker 4: Make a crap out of solid gold and sell it
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  Speaker 4: for ten million dollars and people think it's a lovely
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  Speaker 4: art piece, you know. I mean, he makes money out
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  Speaker 4: of doing it, but he's making a social point about
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  Speaker 4: how crazy all of this stuff is, and for that
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 5: Well, this guy is a comedian after all.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we're not talking about a genuine artist by
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  Speaker 6: no means.
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  Speaker 5: But look, I do agree with your point there.
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  Speaker 6: One of the funniest things I found about this was
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  Speaker 6: some of these says that it believes it may be
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  Speaker 6: the only surviving edition of the work. One was stolen
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  Speaker 6: and never recovered. Who's going around stealing these things?
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  Speaker 5: And how do you actually steal the gold? You steal
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  Speaker 5: that though?
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  Speaker 6: Because I think, I mean, correct me if I'm no
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  Speaker 6: expert in the weight of gold, but I would expect
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  Speaker 6: that it would be quite heavy.
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  Speaker 5: So how does one do that? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of guys, a couple of guys.
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  Speaker 2: This particular toilet was on display at a gallery in
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  Speaker 2: New York and it was fully plummed in installed, and
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  Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people lined up for a chance to
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  Speaker 2: sit on it and use it as a functioning toilet.
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  Speaker 6: You were plounful as a possible loan to the Trump
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  Speaker 6: White House. I mean, now the millionaires finally have a
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  Speaker 6: place to dump their assets.
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  Speaker 3: Did you see members of ABBA?
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  Speaker 2: Members of ABBA went and saw it and they said, wow,
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  Speaker 2: what a loo ah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, actually I'm mad.
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  Speaker 1: This is not my joke.
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  Speaker 4: It did come from one of our bosses. But it's
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  Speaker 4: so good that I have to retell it. The rumor
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  Speaker 4: is that the Pope is going to buy it so
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  Speaker 4: he can put it in the Cistern Chapel. But it's
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  Speaker 4: a bit like have you been to Mona in her art?
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  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed Mona because there's some weird and wacky
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  Speaker 4: stuff in Mona, but there's also some magnificent art, which
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  Speaker 4: Olsen's and streets and whatever in Mona. This these Egyptian artifacts,
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  Speaker 4: all sorts of stuff. And the bloke who started at
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  Speaker 4: David Walsh, who I'm sure many of you are aware of,
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  Speaker 4: he made his money and still makes his money out
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  Speaker 4: of gambling because he worked out how to beat the
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  Speaker 4: house and that's how he's made his fortunes and spend
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  Speaker 4: it all building. Mona unashamedly says, I know nothing about art,
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  Speaker 4: and that's why I thought I was the best person
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  Speaker 4: to start an art gallery, because all these other wanky
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  Speaker 4: people think they know absolutely everything.
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  Speaker 1: So why can't I, as someone who knows nothing, give
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  Speaker 1: it a go?
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what I like about this piece
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  Speaker 4: is at some on giving the middle linger to art
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  Speaker 4: and say, actually a lot of it is just garbage
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  Speaker 4: and it's only got any value because someone out there
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  Speaker 4: decides it has that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is, if you want to know
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  Speaker 2: about the society in which we live, don't listen to politicians.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to artists, no, because artists are supposed to say
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  Speaker 2: something about the culture.
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  Speaker 3: And I kind of like it.
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  Speaker 2: A solid gold toilet, which is really just a very
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  Speaker 2: expensive container for crap, is pretty symptomatic of the society
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  Speaker 2: in which we live.
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  Speaker 6: Right, I mean, you can go the road tonight if
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  Speaker 6: we're already starting robe, it's going on.
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  Speaker 3: Wait for my point.
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  Speaker 2: You can have gold plated everything, and isn't that materialism. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you can have opulence everywhere, but if it's empty, if
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  Speaker 2: there's nothing of value in it, then what's it for?
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  Speaker 2: And I think he makes a great point about the
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  Speaker 2: Western culture that we're living in at the moment, where
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  Speaker 2: we've got the best of everything but lacking meaning and purpose.
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  Speaker 6: Quite sentimental of you, James mcperson tonight. But no, look,
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  Speaker 6: I do a great I think this was done obviously
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  Speaker 6: as a tongue in This is not meant to be
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  Speaker 6: a serious piece of art.
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  Speaker 5: But hey, ten million dollars is done quite well.
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  Speaker 4: Look I may will be sitting on it tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 4: We shall see if I can rummage up for funds
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  Speaker 4: this evening. But I go home and have a look
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  Speaker 4: at my bank account.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of artist Bob.
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  Speaker 4: Catter, he is basically a modern political artist, isn't he?
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  Speaker 4: But Bob Catter he's been a bit of a naughty boy.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, Mike, don't say that, because that aerotates me and
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  Speaker 7: I punch blokes in the mouth for saying that.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you dare say that?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I'm sorry, mister Catta. I'm sorry, mister I
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  Speaker 4: didn't mean to offend you. It's not coming from me
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  Speaker 4: it's coming from the Queensland Police Services. It's not called
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  Speaker 4: the police force up there, it's the Queensland Police Service.
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  Speaker 4: They are looking into Bob Catter because he put up
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  Speaker 4: a video on social media in which he uses a
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  Speaker 4: knife and the police believe it may well be a
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  Speaker 4: flick knife, which is banned in Queensland.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look.
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  Speaker 8: Castle law has been the law until recently, and we
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  Speaker 8: the KP will ensure that it'll be there again.
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  Speaker 9: Well, not a savage people will not entertain the thought
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  Speaker 9: of murdering people who break into our house. But I
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  Speaker 9: have the right to defend my house with whatever I
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  Speaker 9: dim a suitable way to defend my house.
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  Speaker 4: And not only has he punch blokes in the mouth,
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  Speaker 4: he's threatened to stab them too. Yes, what he's talking
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  Speaker 4: about Castle law is the idea that if someone breaks
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  Speaker 4: into your house, you should be able to use whatever
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  Speaker 4: means necessary to defend yourself, all the way up to
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  Speaker 4: lethal force.
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  Speaker 1: At the moment.
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  Speaker 4: If someone breaks into your house and you kill them,
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  Speaker 4: well you're probably going to end up on either a
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  Speaker 4: most likely a manslaughter charge, probably not murder because it's
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  Speaker 4: not premeditated. But you can get in serious trouble go
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  Speaker 4: to jail for killing someone who trespasses on your property
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  Speaker 4: and threatens you. And you're saying, well, you should be
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  Speaker 4: able to have the right, which I don't disagree with necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: But the issue is this knife. So the police in
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  Speaker 4: Queensland have confirmed that they are aware of the video
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  Speaker 4: and they are investigating mister Kata as to whether the
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  Speaker 4: knife he used in that video was illegal or not. Now,
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  Speaker 4: flick knives are illegal in every state in Australia. In Queensland,
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  Speaker 4: if you have a flick knife, you can be fine
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  Speaker 4: fourteen one hundred and nine dollars and get two years
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  Speaker 4: in jail.
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  Speaker 1: So you can imagine mister Catta would have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of fun if he ended up over there.
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  Speaker 4: He claims it was actually a double movement knife, which
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  Speaker 4: under certain rules is allowed, and he says that the
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  Speaker 4: knife was purchased in Queensland, so he is of the
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  Speaker 4: belief that it is a legal knife. But nevertheless, the
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  Speaker 4: police are looking into social media videos made by Bob Katter.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this is absolutely ridiculous, isn't it, Because when
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  Speaker 6: you think about Ituzland actually has a genuine crime problem
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  Speaker 6: at the moment, albeit it has come down since the
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  Speaker 6: adult crime, adult time laws came in, but there is
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  Speaker 6: a genuine crime problem up there, and they've got to
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  Speaker 6: look at whether what kind of a knife Bob Catter
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  Speaker 6: was using.
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  Speaker 5: Firstly, I will say this, it.
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  Speaker 6: Was very vigorous the way he is that knife in
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  Speaker 6: that video. But I was actually looking more into the
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  Speaker 6: laws up in Queensland.
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  Speaker 5: Now they say it states that a person.
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  Speaker 6: May only use force that is reasonably necessary.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I think that this is where it presents.
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  Speaker 6: A problem because what would you classify as reasonably necessary.
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  Speaker 6: Now I'm not genuinely saying go and kill an intruder, obviously,
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  Speaker 6: but you know, you tell me, if you are a
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  Speaker 6: father and you've got two young kids sleeping, your wife
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  Speaker 6: is sleeping, and the intruder breaks into your property and
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  Speaker 6: there is a knife there, wouldn't I just feel like
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  Speaker 6: any father would absolutely leap to the defense of their
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  Speaker 6: family and they would use any four necessary in order
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  Speaker 6: to protect them.
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  Speaker 5: But that's where this law gets a little bit shifty,
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  Speaker 5: because you don't know.
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  Speaker 6: So I actually think that Bob Catter is raising a
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  Speaker 6: very very valid point here.
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  Speaker 5: He put out a petition.
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  Speaker 6: It closed last month with more than one hundred and
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  Speaker 6: twenty two thousand signatures.
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  Speaker 5: This is for the Castle law.
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  Speaker 6: This is the highest number ever for a public e
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  Speaker 6: petition and in Far North Queensland it's actually officially the
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  Speaker 6: state's youth crime capital, so there's no doubt that there
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  Speaker 6: is a problem up there.
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  Speaker 5: I just think that what would you do if you
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  Speaker 5: were presented in that sort of a scenario.
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  Speaker 2: The problem you raise of proportionality in terms of defending yourself,
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  Speaker 2: and proportionality is a great thing to talk about after
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  Speaker 2: the event, but in the heat of the moment, you're
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  Speaker 2: not thinking about proportionality. You're thinking about perceived threat, which
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  Speaker 2: after the event could be very different to reality. But
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  Speaker 2: you act on what you perceive to be the threat.
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  Speaker 2: I think, if someone comes into your home, all bets
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  Speaker 2: are off.
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  Speaker 3: You're in my home.
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  Speaker 2: If I've got my wife, my kids, I'm doing whatever
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  Speaker 2: it takes to defend them from the perceived threat. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not worrying about proportionality. What interests me about this is
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  Speaker 2: who was the person who saw Bob Catter's campaign video
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  Speaker 2: and thought I'm going to report him to police?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what a more on to do that.
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  Speaker 2: Surely you'd have bigger things to worry about than reporting
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  Speaker 2: Bob Catter to police as some kind of public danger.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous and it's pretty so I
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  Speaker 2: guess police have to follow it up now. But you
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  Speaker 2: point out the irony that he's there trying to make
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  Speaker 2: a point that people need protection from criminals, and in
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  Speaker 2: doing so he's now being investigated for a criminal offense,
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  Speaker 2: potentially by some wowser who clearly hates Bob Catter and
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  Speaker 2: decided to use this as an opportunity to go him.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's obviously political.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, police have come out and saying
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  Speaker 6: a statement that they're looking into it, but at this
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  Speaker 6: stage nothing's happened and I don't think anything will probably
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  Speaker 6: come of this. As he said, it's probably some fool
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  Speaker 6: just sitting there Karen on the computer, bought out of
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  Speaker 6: their brains, decides to make a complaint.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that made me laugh Aneaka was Robbie Catder,
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  Speaker 2: Bob's son who's also in parliament. He said, and I
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  Speaker 2: quote Dad can be pretty irresponsible at times, but he's
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  Speaker 2: not that irresponsible.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, that's from his son.
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  Speaker 1: This is the thing.
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  Speaker 4: Does anyone seriously believe that the Bob Catter is a
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  Speaker 4: threat to anyone?
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  Speaker 5: Of course, and stabbing people with a flick.
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  Speaker 4: Nat though on the social media post it did say
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  Speaker 4: underneath it to this is his post hashtag Bob is
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  Speaker 4: a bad bastard. But I do believe we have some
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  Speaker 4: footage here of Bob's dealings with the police and his
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  Speaker 4: advice to them on this matter.
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  Speaker 3: Let there be a thousand blossoms blooms.
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  Speaker 7: So but I ain't spending any time warrant because in
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  Speaker 7: the meantime, every three months a person is torn to
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  Speaker 7: pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.
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  Speaker 4: Hashtag Boby is a bad bastard index I tell you what.
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  Speaker 5: You got to say. That guy is colorful.
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  Speaker 1: Colorful.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably putting it.
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  Speaker 5: Mildly, a very very colorful character.
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  Speaker 6: Now, look, you might recall that most a year ago now,
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  Speaker 6: two Melbourne teenagers died from methanol poisoning in Laos. It
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  Speaker 6: was a terrible incident. These are best friends Bianca Jones
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  Speaker 6: and Holy Bowls. They were among six people who died
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  Speaker 6: after consuming a bad batch of local alcohol containing the
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  Speaker 6: higher levels of methanol during happy hour at a Laos hostel.
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  Speaker 6: Now this happened during schooly celebrations overseas and of course
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  Speaker 6: we are heading into that time of the year and
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  Speaker 6: so now their parents, alongside some of their best friends,
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  Speaker 6: they've joined together in partnership to put out videos as
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  Speaker 6: part of a national campaign to warn other young people
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  Speaker 6: about the dangers of drinking and just as a reminder
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  Speaker 6: to look after your mates.
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  Speaker 5: Have a listened to this.
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  Speaker 10: We know how much your schoolies adventure means to you
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  Speaker 10: because we remember how much it meant to us and
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  Speaker 10: our friends.
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  Speaker 3: Any occasion where you get to experience new things with your.
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  Speaker 5: Friends is exciting.
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  Speaker 10: That's why two of our close friends, Bianco and Holly
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  Speaker 10: were so excited about traveling overseas together, talking about it
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  Speaker 10: and planning for it. It was going to be a
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  Speaker 10: trip of a lifetime. They were like you, They were
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  Speaker 10: smart and they knew how to look after themselves, which
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  Speaker 10: is why it was so devastating that something outside of
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  Speaker 10: their control ended their lives. They were having fun having
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  Speaker 10: some drinks. They've done that here in Australia without any issue,
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  Speaker 10: but this time it wasn't in Australia and it was different.
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  Speaker 10: The drinks they consumed on this occasion contained methanol and
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  Speaker 10: I think this is a very very powerful campaign when
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  Speaker 10: you've got the best friends and you've got the two
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  Speaker 10: girls mums joining them.
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  Speaker 6: And look, it is a very very timely reminder given
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  Speaker 6: that it is November now ended year celebrations the beginning
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  Speaker 6: and Schoolies weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Now, obviously this occurred overseas.
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  Speaker 6: In Laos and I'm sure if you're a parent at
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  Speaker 6: home watching you're going to be thinking about your own
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  Speaker 6: children right now, if they are graduating and they're about
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  Speaker 6: to go on schoolies, whether they go overseas.
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  Speaker 5: And back home.
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  Speaker 6: But this campaign has now restarted the yearly debate that
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  Speaker 6: we hear about whether or not children should indeed go
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  Speaker 6: on schoolies weekends.
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  Speaker 5: Now. Look, my opinion of.
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  Speaker 6: This is that I actually think Schoolies is a great weekend. Now,
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  Speaker 6: I don't think Look, obviously a lot of stuff goes
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  Speaker 6: down on Schoolies weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Your schoolies today.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I actually went to Sydney and Melbourne. I was
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  Speaker 6: quite well behaved, to be honest, I didn't have a
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  Speaker 6: rage e in Perth or you know, down South or
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  Speaker 6: whatever in Western Australia. But when you have been at
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  Speaker 6: school for so many years, I think this is the
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  Speaker 6: best time of your life to just go out and
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  Speaker 6: have some fun. And let loose, and you're going to
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  Speaker 6: keep doing that because you're about to turn eighteen, you're
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  Speaker 6: about to hit the nightclubs.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to go to bars, pubs.
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  Speaker 6: You're going to start going overseas on kentiquy tours. The
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  Speaker 6: fun really begins around that age. So I am very
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  Speaker 6: pro schoolies. Obviously, you've got to be careful, and I
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  Speaker 6: don't agree with going overseas for schoolies.
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  Speaker 5: As if I was a parent, I.
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  Speaker 6: Would be very, very concerned with a child going overseas
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  Speaker 6: because you don't know what they could get up to
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  Speaker 6: over there. You don't know what they could be taking,
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  Speaker 6: you don't know what they could be offered. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: look what happened to these poor girls. But I am
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  Speaker 6: very pro schoolies. I say, go for it, go enjoy it.
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  Speaker 6: You're a parent, You're the only parent on this panel.
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  Speaker 6: I'm curious to know your thoughts on this.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Well, leaning young people, here we go. Your story.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I've got two boys, twins. One of them did not
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: want anything to do with schoolies. He's my favorite. The
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: other one, the black sheep of the family. He was
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: desperate to go on schoolies.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I love him as well.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: I don't have favorites. So I said to him, here's
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: the deal. You can go on schoolies, but I will
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: be going as well, and I will rent an apartment
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: and you can go do your thing, but you will
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: be back in the apartment by midnight every night. And
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: he screamed blue bloody murder. But I held my ground
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: because I'm a parent, and I said that's the rules.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: If you want to go to schoolies, your choice.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: So eventually he said all right, but he was not happy.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: So I went to schoolies with my other son, who.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Was tuy, you're a toolly.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: No, Janika. I just think.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Anyway, he accepted it, and I think the first two
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: nights he was home on the dot at midnight, and
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: after that I eased up and he enjoyed schoolies and
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: kept himself out of trouble, I think, knowing that he had.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: A dad who was there just keeping tabs. Here's the thing, right,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: they're great kids.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I trust them, but as a parent, you've just spent
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: eighteen years giving your all for these kids, and then
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: you go and let them loose for a bunch of
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: idiots on the Gold Coast who will.
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: Apply them with all sorts of things.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Try and manipulate them, and that's just their friends everybody else,
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: and you just your kids are the most precious thing
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: in the world, and you don't want to be a
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: helicopter parent.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: And this is the problem with parenting.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: You're trying to balance watching over them and caring for
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: them and also giving them freedom and allowing them to
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: do things. And so that's what I did. I don't
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: think many parents would do it. I think my son
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: to this day still cringes. But he had a bit
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: of both. He had schoolies, but dad was there at
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: the same time.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Can I just say, James, is it fair to call
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: your son a black sheet? Given he's African?
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: I hadn't even occurred. The fun you make get away
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: is my kids make those jokes more. And you know
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: my kids exactly.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're allowed to get away with it. You know.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: One time at least school teacher said that we need
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: someone to clean the whiteboard, and my son volunteered, and
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the school teacher said, well that.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Would be the blackboard.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: And the teacher rang up and almost in tears, apologized
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: to me for this racial comment, and I said, well, hold,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: So I went and spoke to my son.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: I said, were you upset.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: He said, No, I just thought it was a really
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: bad joke. So I said to the teacher, don't be upset.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: My son just thought it was a really bad joke. Again,
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: no offense taken.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: If only we could have a bit more of that.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: And as for the matter of school is I suppose
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: the issues. Of course, as a parent, you worry about
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: what your kids are going to do. But the reality is,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: as you will know, the worry doesn't stop just because
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: they've turned eighteen. It does stop when they turn twenty one,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: it doesn't stop when they're twenty five. I mean, you know,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I get on a plane and my mother still wants
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: me to send her a text to say that I've
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: landed safely right, And I find that terribly annoying. But
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: I understand as a parent that you want to know
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: that your children.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Are safety's tracking the flight on radar. That's probably a little.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Bit too, But you never stop being a parent, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: so at some point you have to accept that your
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: kids have autonomy and they're going to go out and
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: do things that perhaps you don't like, or perhaps are
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: risky or a bit dangerous, and they're going to get
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: themselves in precarious positions. But these are all part of
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: the learning experiences of life. And if you've got someone
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: who is seventeen eighteen, who's just finished school and they're
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: about to go off and learn a trade or go
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: to university and they're going to meet people and start
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: going out, if you go too hard on them at
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: that point and say look, I'm sorry, little Johnny or
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: little Johnny a big Johnny at this point, you can't
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: go to schoolies, it's a pretty good recipe for making
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: sure that they do go to schoolies. And I know
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: someone I know, I won't mention them because you may
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: be aware of them who was told, you know, don't
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: go to schoolies, right, and snuck up to schoolies with
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: the cousin and got into trouble at schoolies and then
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: had to make the sheepish phone call back to dad
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: to say, look, I'm in a bit of trouble up
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: at schoolies.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And of course you know he was beside himself and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: read the Riot Act and whatever.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: But this is what happens. If you tell a teenager
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: don't do something, they go out and do it. So
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: he kind of got to be realistic in saying and.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I suppose that's the approach you took.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: You didn't say you couldn't go to schoolies, but you
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: put some boundaries around it, and he respected that and.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: All was fine too, because all kids respond differently.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I've got twins, but they're very different boys, So what
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: works with one child doesn't work with the other ones.
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: So the reality is is they're about to turn eighteen anyway, okay,
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: so you know you can chain them up and say
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: you can't go to schoolies. Well, the year after going
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: to turn eighteen, so guess what, they're going to go
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: out and they're going to do whatever they want because
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: they are classified then as legal adults. So kids are
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: going to make mistakes. They're going to have to learn
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: from those mistakes. They might make a mistake or two
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: on school is as long as they're safe. I think,
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: you know what, go and enjoy it because you finish school.
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: It's a massive milestone. And I think that they're the
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: years where you don't have any responsibilities.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Really, they're the years where you can.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: Go out, have fun, do what you want before life
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: actually gets very very serious.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Joe and Ben, if you're watching You're meant to be
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: in bed at seven thirty. You go all right, the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: queens and Trade Minister Ross Bates. She is also the
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Finance Minister in Queensland and as Finance ministers she was
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: charged with enforcing discipline for responsible spending among LNP members
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: because they were going to be very different to the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Labor government who were wasteful and just take advantage of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: taxpayer dollars.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: The LNP though they were going to be different.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Well, Ross Bates, as the Aid Minister, has done a
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: number of overseas trips in the last twelve months and
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe what she's built taxpayers for.
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Bear in mind, this is a politician earning about three
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year and when she's
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: away she gets a four hundred dollars a day travel allowance.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: And yet, in spite of all of that, while she
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: was way in India, she had a sore back, so
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: she had to buy a heat pack for her back.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: It cost thirty three dollars and sixteen cents, which she
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: charged to the taxpayer. When she was in Japan, she
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: was unwell and needed some medicine, so she charged twenty
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: two dollars for medicine to the taxpayer and then to
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: wash down the medicine, she needed some milk, so she
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: charged the taxpayer eleven dollars and forty two cents for
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: milk from hotel room service. Now, I guess this proves
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: a couple of things, guys. One, wasteful spending is not
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: about politics. It's about human nature. Really, it doesn't matter
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: whether you're from the left or the right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: They all do it.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Here's the other thing, though, If you can't be trusted
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: with small things, and my first instance was it was
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: only eleven bucks for some milk, But if you're going
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: to change the taxpayer for eleven dollars worth of milk,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: what else are you going to do? If you can't
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: be trusted with the small things, how can you be
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: trusted with the big things?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I think David Kusa fooles should just sack her and
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: make an example of it.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: If you're going to be different, then be different.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: The problem though, and I guess the reason you can't
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: do that is can you imagine the labor opposition then
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: would go through everything with a fine tooth comb and
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: you'd be left with not a politician in the parliament.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I know, but it speaks to character, doesn't it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I mean you paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year,
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: you know, between three and four hundred thousand.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Dollars as a state minister.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, surely you can spare eleven dollars and forty
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: two cents to buy yourself some milk for the room
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: zones or I mean Japan, I didn't think is a
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: country where you worry about the water that comes out
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: of the tap.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: You could just turn the hotel.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Tap on and wash your medication down that way and
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: charging for the medicat twenty two dollars for medication. I mean, look,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: you know, if I'm staying in a hotel courtesy of
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Sky News for work, do you think I'm going to
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: build a company for twenty two dollars for my somac
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: that I have to tell? Of course not. It's just
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I haven't paid a salary. There are certain things I
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: pay for out of my own money.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And this is the problem. If you have politicians, particularly ministers.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Who don't think that way, who don't treat the taxpayers
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: money as someone else's money, you have a big problem.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: She feels like she is entitled to charge the taxpayer
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: for her medicine and her milk, that's not on Well.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: What bothered me the most a few things.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: One was the fact that I don't understand why she
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: couldn't just have gotten some water for herself to wash
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: down the medicine.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's just.
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: Bizarre that she required milk in particular. Secondly, her hotel
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: was actually across the road from a convenience store, so
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure again why she couldn't just trot down.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: The road herself.
• 25:03
  Speaker 6: And thirdly, when she was asked about this, her response was,
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: and I quote, I had.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: A crook back.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Now, that's all well and good if you've got a
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: crook back there, but again we've all been there exactly Caleb.
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: But the reality is, why did you require milk then
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: for your crook back. There's a lot of things that
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: don't add up.
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: And the other thing is instead of just owning this,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: instead of just coming out and saying.
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: You know what, yes, I really stuck this up, I
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: apologize it was an error of judgment. She then went
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: on to blame labor for it. She tried to turn
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: it around. This is above politics. This is not about left,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: this is not about right. It is about what the
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: voters expect and this absolutely goes beyond expectations. Milk and medication, please.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: Well politics, angel, milk and cookies. So now, last night
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: we talked about the fact that if Sydney did not
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: have large overseas migration, the population of the city would
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: be going backwards in our words, because you have such
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: large overseas migration. It's one of the reasons you continue
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: to have problems with housing. And of all people to
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: blow the whistle on this issue today was the Chief
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Executive of the Commonwealth Bank, Matt Common, who was up
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: at a Senate Estimates committee and was saying, look, he said,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: this is his personal view, it's not the view of
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Commonwealth Bank. But he says he believes net migration should
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: be cut to in the order of one hundred and
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: eighty thousand people dollars one hundred and eighty thies. What
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: did I say, people dollars one hundred and eighty thousand
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: people a year in order to make homes more affordable.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Now we're well above that at the moment. The year
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: to March, on the latest numbers, the migration was three
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen nine hundred people and between the twenty
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: three twenty five financial years are estimated when the numbers
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: are all added up, that it will be one point
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: three million people with our overseas net migration. You have
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: the CEO of one of the biggest businesses in Australia
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: saying we need to cut migration in order to make
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: housing more affordable. I think that's a really significant moment
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: in terms of this discussion about immigration, because of course,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: what we've seen in the last decade or so is
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: that chief executives and big companies have veered far to
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: the left and they've jumped on every single social issue
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: and social cause that is available to them. And here
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: we have a big CEO, one of the best paid
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: in the country, breaking ranks and saying, actually, we need
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: to cut migration.
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: And you know what, can I just say good on
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: him for coming out because so many people, CEOs, so
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: many politicians, actually shy away from this debate.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Because they're all scared of the r word racism.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: It is not racist to have a discussion about the
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: number of people we're bringing into this country when we
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: cannot get everyday assies into houses. It is not racist
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: to have a discussion about the types of people we
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: are also bringing into this country. This is the debate
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: that we need to have because it was not prosecuted
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: at the last two elections. You recall, in the dying
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: days of this year's election, Peter Dutton did put a
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: policy on.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: The table, but then we wasn't prosecuted. It absolutely disappeared
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: into the never never.
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: Yet we've got record migration under labor. More than one
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: point one million migrants have come into this country. We
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: can't get every day oz is into houses, Labor is
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: opening the welcome matt Well. And truly the other issue
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: is is that it is basically the only thing that
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: is propping up our economy at the moment. We've got
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: this real Ponzi scheme economy.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: And obviously migration suits labor politically.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: Now you've got labor coming out saying, oh you know, yes,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: we've got all these targets. Forget it, the target's James.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: They are breaking records year on year. In fact, the
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: latest records in the first nine months of twenty twenty
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: five it hit four hundred and fifteen thousand. That's net
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: permanent and long term arrivals. Again, another record issue. And
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: I also think this is a huge vote driving issue.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, the IPA did a poll recently finding that
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: seventy percent of Australians actually want to lower migration or
• 29:06
  Speaker 6: temporarily pause it while we actually get some infrastructure in
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: place to deal with it. Big Australia keeps getting bigger.
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: So all the power to Matt Common for actually starting
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: this debate.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: It's funny Matt Common comes out today and we say
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: more power too. In Pauline Hanson's been saying this the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: longest time.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: She's an extremist.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: But now the boss of the Commonwealth Bank is saying it,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: maybe they'll pay attention. Bear in mind Jim Chalmer's last
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: year was dismissive of any relationship between immigration and a
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: housing shortage, and Anthony Albanesi just a few months ago
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: said the problem is not immigration, the problem is supply. Well,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: of course, says supply and demand isn't there. And I
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: think the Commonwealth Bank boss knows a little more about
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: supply and demand and basic economics than Anthony Elbanezi. But
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: you're right, when the big end of town finally start
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: to talk, maybe people will listen and it's why, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: we'll get to it in the papers. Susan Lee needs
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: to get on with her immigration policy because God forbid
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: that the opposition to the government's coming from the leader
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: of the Commonwealth Bank. It should be coming from the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party and they need to get their skates on.
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: Well, she did say that they're going to announce a
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: policy in the coming week. So I'm curious to know
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: how far it's going to go because it has to
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: be a very very serious cut. But let's see what
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: the papers are saying about that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: Look, it's been more than a year now since the
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: attempted assassination on Donald Trump's life. You recall at this
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: rally in Pennsylvania back in July last year when twenty
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: year old Thomas Crooks fired from a rooftop and it
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: grazed Donald Trump's ear. Let's watch how it unfolded. Okay, well, okay,
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: well that scene that we're seeing there. Of course he
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: got up said fight, fight, fight. But now more questions
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: are being raised about whether the FBI missed serious red
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: flags when it came to this man, twenty year old Thomas.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: Crooks, that would be assassin.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: According to Post, Thomas Crook's had a history of political
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: violence online. He had radical views as part of his
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: online digital footprint he used. They then pronouns, and it's
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: now emerged that he had this so called muscle mummy fetish.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Now I've had to google this. Unfortunately, I thought you've
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: noted was well, no, I didn't know what a muscle mummy.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Did you know what a muscley mummy fetish is? Basically
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: where it's where scrawny men have a fetish about mums
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: who are quite physically like bodybuilders.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Bodybuilders to do.
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: With Egyptians, clearly not up to date with the lingo
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: of today. The problem here is is that his digital
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: footprint presents a very different view to what the FBI
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: has said in congressional statements about the twenty year old
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: Moranda divide in the Post says that the public was
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: led to believe that Thomas Crooks was a ghost online,
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: that there was no motive that could be ascertained from
• 31:54
  Speaker 6: his online accounts, and yet sources have provided the Post
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: with a lot of information about the seven different online accounts. Now,
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: my point on this is what an absolute shambles this
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: has been from the very beginning from day one. During
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: that assassination attempt, you recall the fumbling fumblinas from the
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: Secret Service. One couldn't find her gun holster. I mean,
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: these were small women trying to protect.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: A very big president.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: They were not muscle mummies.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: They were not muscle mummies as.
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: Well, exactly the rooftop. There was a failure to secure
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: the rooftop. That was a problem. Of course, the FBI
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: were more interested in their DEI hires and DEI training,
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: so that was another part of the issue, as well
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: as the Secret Service. And a State report has already
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: found that there were a number of security issues that
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: led to this and that it could have indeed been prevented.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: And now we're led to believe that this guy was
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: a ghost online.
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: Yet he's got you know, violence, he was into fetishes,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: he had pronouns, he's got all sorts of problems for
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: goodness sake.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing that these online activity shows is that
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: prior to twenty twenty he was a Trump supporters, very
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: vocal in his support of Donald Trump and quite anti
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the Democrats, and then after twenty twenty he has a
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: complete one aid degree change, and all of a sudden,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: he's incredibly aggressive in his social media posts against Donald Trump,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: which begs the question.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Who got in his ear? Who changed him?
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: What happened that he became so disenchanted with Trump to
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: the point of allegedly trying to assassinate him, that the
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: FBI didn't pick up on his threats, and nor have
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: they investigated why the change begs questions, and Miranda Divine
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: has been very right to point them out, yep.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: And I mean there are so many things that had
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: to line up in order for this to happen that
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: have just gone unanswered, and I suspect they will always
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: go unanswered because there are certain people who don't want
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: to answer those questions and don't want to admit to
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: failures or to other things.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Potentially, it is all of this has just been too
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: perfect and too crazy in order for it to be
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: real as far as any concerned. So when I say real,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I mean just like it is so.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Unbelievable as a story that it unfolded in the way
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: it has has been treated.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of unbelievable, there's an unbelievable story in the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: US at the moment with a tech company causing absolute
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: outrage with a new app there promoting that is a
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: way to keep your deceased family members alive at least
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: to you, and a way that you can interact with
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: loved ones even though they have died. It's the creation
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: of a digital avatar that you have on your phone.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: So the company has released a commercial which shows a
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: pregnant woman talking to an AI recreation of her dead
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: mum on the phone, telling her about her pregnancy. Then
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: it skips forward to the baby's being born and the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: baby is being read a story by deceased grandma on
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the phone, and that skips further again. The boy has
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: grown up and he's getting advice from his grandma about
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: what it'll.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Be like when he himself is a father. He's part
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: of that commercial.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Would you tell Charlie that bedtime story you always used
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: to tell me?
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: Once upon a time there was a baby unicorn who
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: didn't know he knew how to fight. This baby unicorn
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: was like your mom because she didn't know that she
• 35:18
  Speaker 11: knew how to fight, but she knew how to do
• 35:21
  Speaker 11: all kinds of fabulous things. Hi remember, Hey, Charlie, how
• 35:25
  Speaker 11: was school today?
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: It was really fun?
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: I mean this crazy. I don't really care that much
• 35:30
  Speaker 11: about basketball?
• 35:30
  Speaker 12: And what about the crush?
• 35:32
  Speaker 10: Stop stop talking.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: So the idea is that while your loved one is
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: still alive, you record them. You only need to record
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: them for about three minutes, just get them talking, and
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: then the tech company creates an avatar of your loved
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: one who is then able to say all sorts of things,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: and as long as you pay the subscription, that person
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: remains alive at least on your phone.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: A couple of things with this.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: First, it replaces real grief with artificial comfort. I think
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: that's a very dangerous thing, because grief is a painful
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: but normal part of life. The other thing this does
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: is it replaces the hope of heaven. People used to
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: believe in heaven that one day we'll see people again.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: It gets rid of that completely and replaces it just
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: with this. Well, as long as you pay the subscription,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you can have some sort of memory of that person
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: on your phone and interact in a very fake way.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think either of those a good thing.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's psychologically damaging.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: As you say, grief is something we have to go
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: through because you have to not only physically but also
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: emotionally come to terms with the concept of loss. And
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: this deprives you of that opportunity, which is it is
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: so true so many things today where we just avoid
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: anything difficult.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: I think this is actually quite worrying, especially the ones
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: where you're actually having a conversation with them. It's like
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: they're still in front of you psychologically. I worry about
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: what that does to a person who is not in
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: a good place because of grief. I don't like this
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: and the subscription that you have to pay for it,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: that's something that doesn't sit right with that at all.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of cruel and emotionally manipulative.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: I think we're going to go to a break when
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: we come back.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Why Susan Lee's immigration policy is unlikely to please many people.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Plus the Golco City Council have come up with a
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: novel solution to the problems with young people riding e bikes.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: All of that.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Shortly, Okay, welcome back to the program. Let's take a
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: look at what's making headlines tomorrow. We'll start with The
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Herald's son and of course the big story there a
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: new Dawn liberals first female leader vows to tackle state's
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: debt after toppling Baton in bloodless coup.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: The headline reads, you can bank on me.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Newly elected Liberal leader Jess Wilson has vowed to fix
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: the Allen government's ballooning debt as a top priority if
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: her party wins power. Ms Wilson thirty five toppled Brad
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Batton in what Inside has termed the most efficient spill
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: in recent memory. I'm not sure you want your party
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: to be known for its efficiency and dumping leaders, especially
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: when this is their third in what eleven months. Anyway,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: he's Jess Wilson talking to Peter Credlin earlier tonight.
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: We have to be talking about the fact that debt
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: in this state is soaring towards two hundred billion dollars,
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: and the opportunity cost of that means that we won't
• 38:22
  Speaker 13: be able to fund essential services. I can take that
• 38:24
  Speaker 13: broader gender and really sell an economic narrative and a
• 38:28
  Speaker 13: broad narrative about why the Liberal Party will be a
• 38:31
  Speaker 13: credible economic alternative for Victoria.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I got to ask you this, Taniker.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I read the headline liberals first female leader. Is that
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: the most important thing about her?
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: And is that what is going to help the Liberals
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: get up at the next election.
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: No, I'm having flashbacks to Susan Lee when she was
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: the first Liberal a female leader who cares about gender.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: The question is are they going to do the job properly.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: My concern over this is Victorians don't know who Brad
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: Batton was now now they are less than twelve months
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: away from an election, or almost twelve months away from
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: an election, and now they've got a new leader who
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: now has to reintroduce themselves to the public all over again.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Look credit to her. I hope that she does the.
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: Job because clearly there are so many issues in Victoria
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: and she's going to have to come out and be
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: very decisive and straightforward.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: But it's not a lot of time, is it.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look good luck to her.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: But there was polling today showing that Brad Baton was
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: beating Jacinta Allen in the preferred premier stakes and that
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: the Libs were actually in a reasonably good position. I
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: meant first party preferred. So for a second, you know
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: what am I talking about. I've lost the plot tonight
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: and not first preference. Two party preferred fifty one to
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: forty nine for the Libs. So you know, if an
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: election was held today, they could will have won it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: So I don't know that they had to get rid
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: of Baton, but anyway, good luck to them if they
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: think this is the right move.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I hope they're right.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: They're probably the biggest or in Melbourne is the one
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: above it that says foreigners invade Bay thirteen Barmi Army
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: and enemy territory Barmie Army in Bath the MCG for
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: the ashes. My god, things are going to go down there.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: Let's go to the front of the OS tomorrow. We're
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: speaking of leaders who may or may not be in
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: a bit of trouble in the Liberal Party TIS coalition.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: To avoid a hard migration target, Susan Lee will release
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: immigration policy principles and directions rather than a fixed net
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: migration number before Christmas and oppose Anthony Alberaneze's environmental laws
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: overhaul as she moves to secure her leadership ahead of
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: the summer break. A mid backlash or sorry, backbench agitation
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: for the coalition to take the fart up to labor
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: on the vexed issue of immigration. The Australian understands there
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: are no plans to lock in a preferred net overseas
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: migration target twenty nine months before the twenty twenty eight election.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Honestly, really here we are you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Just come up with a number, So.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: We going to go right Yep, you're going to reduce
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: immigration by how much and that's going to be.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: The well will depend on this and it will depend
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: And now you sound like you have no conviction, no
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: real commitment to it. It's a disaster.
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: It's actually a shame because you know, Susan Lee did
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: say on Sunday that she was going to come out
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: with a policy and now this is actually walking away
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: from it.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: It's the principle principle.
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: This is the Liberal Party hokey pokey again, half in
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: and half out.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Do the hokey pokey? Can you sing it for us
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: to need?
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: No, definitely I thought you could.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: No, no, no. Mary Joe Fisher knew how to do
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: it in the Senate though.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: Speaking of which state libs to follow Lee's net.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Zero lead, look that up by the way, if you've
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: never seen it, Mary Joe Fisher doing that hokey pokey
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: in the Senate. I'm sure it's online somewhere, but seys
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: here on the front of the earls tomorrow. Federal Liberal
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: MPs believe New South Wales counterparts will ditch NIT zero
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: bout twenty fifty A mid doubts over Mark Speakman's leadership
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: now of course, the Libs today in New South Wales
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: back in in neit zero despite what their federal counterparts
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: have done, and Mark Speaquan may or may not be
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: the leader of the Liberal Party New South Wales by
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: the end of the week. Now the feeds are saying
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: if they get rid of Mark Speakman, and they'll get
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: rid of it zero two.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a lot of the Liberal Party
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: talking about the Liberal.
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: Pat It's actually a mess when you think about it
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: across the country right now that there is not one
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Liberal Party branch that is functional other than the Northern Territory,
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: the territory government up there. I mean Lefanochiaro is doing
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: great as a Conservative leader, but the rest of them good.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: If Mark Speakman was not the opposition leader in Sydney,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: would anybody.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Notice No, I don't think so.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: I mean apparently over the weekend they were trying to
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: gather numbers for a leadership spill and nobody put their
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: hand up so they couldn't find anybody. I mean, that's
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: half of the problem. Now, let's take a look at
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: the Gold Coast bulletin there down the bottom right hand corner,
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: Parental Protection Gold Coast counselors say parents need to stop
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: their children illegally riding e bikes as a city lacks
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: a silver bullet to stop teenage who's causing accidents. At
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: a planning committee meeting on Tuesday, councilor Naomi Fowler backed
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: a recommendation by city officials that the state government, through
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: the Queensland Police Service, continued to lead the crackdown on offenders,
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: saying that it should be up to parents, and you
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: know what, good on her, because I think she's right.
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: It should start with discipline at home, parents actually enforcing this.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: I mean it's always up to government officials to do so. Now,
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: hang on, what about mum and dad at home? What
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: are they going to do about it?
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: You remember a couple of weeks ago there was a
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: fifteen year old kid who tragically died on the Gold
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Coast riding what we were told was an e bike
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: and there were immediate calls for the government needs to
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: crack down and regulate. I remember thinking at the time
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: it was three am in the morning, the e bike
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: was actually an electric dirt bike that should never be
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: on a road in the first place, and all the
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: calls were for government regulation.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: No one was talking about, how was fifteen year.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Old out at three am, lit alone on the road
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: on an electric powered dirt bike that shouldn't be on
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the road.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: That was the problem, not a lack of regulation.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not surprised it was three am in the
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: morning because it probably wasn't going to be three am
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: in the evening. But I mean, you've got to ask
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: the question, how do they get their hands on these
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: things like a teenager. I don't know. Maybe they're earning
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: enough money to go and buy these things, but the
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: thousands and thousands of dollars some of these bikes are worth,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: so they're only getting hold of them presumably because parents
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: are paying.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: For really quickly.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: The Mercury In Tasmania, forty plus public schools closed amid
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: asbestos risked saga sand storm is the headline. Forty public
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: schools across Tasmania closed or partially closed after sand that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: kids were playing in the playground was found to potentially
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: contain traces of a similar problems in the act.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: And I believe one school in Queensland. So kids being
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: kept at home.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: But Caleb, you've got the Advertiser a big story on
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: the kids don't.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Go halfing sand and it's probably not a good idea,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: but how good is this?
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: On the front of the Ties at tomorrow head of
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: the class, the Ossie Alaric and set to teach bas
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: ball lessons to the Poms. The great South Australian that
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: is Travis said, I cannot wait for Friday the Ashes
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: kickoff in Perth. I'll be glued to the TV. Of course,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: I'll be at the Adelaide Test. God it's a good
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: timer year, isn't it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: James absolutely, I cannot wait for the cricket Australia versus England.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: It's the greatest series other than the one against India.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: After the break, we're just talking about Mark Speakman.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: He's got a lot of enemies, but they're not half
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: as scary as his friends. Will show you one of
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: his friends in a moment and Nigeria kicked out of
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: the World Cup and they blame witchcraft.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: That's next.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: We were talking before the break about New South Wales
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Liberal leader Mark Speakman and Caleb. There was talks of
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: whether or not there'd be a coup against him. What's
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the latest?
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, well, I tell you the support he's getting from
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: people within the party is just you.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't believe how strong it is.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Take a look at Chris Wrath, one of the moderates
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: in the New South Wales Ugal Party, walking into Parliament
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: this afternoon.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: Mark has my full support and I think he will
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: be the leader for the rest of this week and
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: lead us to the next election.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I'm glad he take the end of the leaders to
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: the needs.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: He'll be the leader until the end of the week. Look,
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: you don't go around saying things like that unless it's
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: in the back of your head that he's not going
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: to be the leader at the end of the week.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: I'm sure Mark Speakman took great comfort in hearing only
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: the leader at the end.
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: Of the week, I would say was playing in his
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: subconscious life and what season. Probably after he said it,
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: he went, oh, I shouldn't have said that, but had
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: only been there till the next election.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: But I better get inside as quickly as stronger support
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: you can get out of the abundance of the heart.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: The mouth speaks, the mouth spoken. Then you can see
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: in his eyes, you can just clear that up.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: The clubs were turning as he said it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: You could actually see his soul Leave's body at that point,
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: and he knew.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: That he had absolutely stuffed up.
• 47:06
  Speaker 6: Now, look, we're going to go over to the bitter
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: banshees at the view in the United States, primarily bitter
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: bansheet number one. Whoopi Goldberg, who's having g a really
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: hard time trying to comprehend.
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, talk about clogs turning in your head.
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: She's having a couple of issues trying to figure out
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: how health insurance works.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: Have a listen to this. I pay into my insurance.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: You pay into your insurance. I don't understand if I
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: don't go to the hospital for a whole year, where's
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: my money? Why don't you give me the money back?
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: There?
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: You don't have to worry about because I feel like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: you know I said this, Okay, Okay, Yeah.
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: Poor old Whoopy is having a real whooping moment, as
• 47:49
  Speaker 6: she tends to do quite regularly on this dreadful program
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: over in the US.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: I just wonder, does she understand where the money comes from?
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Insurance? That never burned there? So do I get to
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: give her money back?
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: Money back?
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: I think even the like the really muted laughter in
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: the in the live TV audience, even they knew.
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  Speaker 1: It was terribly stupid.
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  Speaker 4: And these are people who asked to go and watch
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: the view being recorded exactly.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: All right, let's go to football, and I'll tell you what.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Football is pretty big in Africa, especially in Nigeria. They
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: played a World Cup qualifier against rivals Congo and lost
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: four to three in a penalty shootout. I tell you what,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Nigerians were pretty upset, but most upset was coach Eric Shelley.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Here's why they lost, according to him, have listened to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: his reason for their loss.
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: During the penalty decision, a guy of Congod did some
• 48:44
  Speaker 12: voodo every time, every time, every time, So this is
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: why I was a little nervous after him. What did
• 48:51
  Speaker 12: you see something like that? You know, with the with
• 48:54
  Speaker 12: the I don't know if if it's a water or.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Something like that. You know, I got a speeding ticket
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: the other day than Nick, and I said to the officer,
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: I think it was some voodoo.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Voodoo jays.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Stories become huge in Africa though, where a lot of
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: people believe in this stuff, being debated everywhere online, whether
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: it was in fact voodoo, that.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: African magic is actually apparently a thing over there.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: There you go, there you go, that's it. From US
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  Speaker 3: stick Around. Coming up is the Read a Penny Show,
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  Speaker 3: Good Night,