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#590 - Evidence Talks New Project, Dilated Peoples, Working with Kanye, Alchemist & His Top 5 producers · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: defense more than eighty six and a half yards. I
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  Speaker 1: we're here with my guy, the legendary Evidence, who brought
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  Speaker 1: me so many gifts we got just we got a mug,
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  Speaker 1: We got Rubik's Cube. No one's ever brought me things
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  Speaker 1: to do homework with my.
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  Speaker 2: Kids with puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: We got a puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really are these color they are color pencils so
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  Speaker 2: we can do our kids and then come on the
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  Speaker 2: color pencils with the unlearning in case I want to
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  Speaker 2: pick up the pen you know, maybe get.
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  Speaker 1: Some bars down, you know. But this vinyl, we got
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  Speaker 1: to show everybody the vinyl.
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  Speaker 2: If let's start the interview with a bang.
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  Speaker 1: That these are sold out obviously right, this.
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  Speaker 2: Is this is this, It's like a bundle. The OV
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  Speaker 2: strip comes sign signed yep, and then everybody does OVI strips?
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  Speaker 2: Which one where's the camera just straight ahead?
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  Speaker 1: Straight ahead?
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  Speaker 2: This one apparently we made made it to say something
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  Speaker 2: along the lines of since nobody can read this, at
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  Speaker 2: least to everybody.
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  Speaker 1: In Japan, that's tight.
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  Speaker 2: I had a great time in your country, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what it's.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty much what it says.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty much what it says. That's fire y'all can
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  Speaker 2: check it out. And then so that's motherfucker's lightening me
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  Speaker 2: up in Japanese? Is the yeah, the translate button a lot?
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  Speaker 1: Can we show this puzzle piece of vinyl thing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? And then so it came with there's a song
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  Speaker 2: that's produced by conductor that's not on the album and
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  Speaker 2: it's on a puzzle vinyl like Mayor Hawthorne had the
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  Speaker 2: Heart vinyl, you know, like Bobby call will joint.
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  Speaker 1: Is this a forty five or just a normal you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, good question. I think it's forty five.
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  Speaker 1: Probably forty five, right, Actually no, I think if it's
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  Speaker 1: a forty five there'd be the bigger hole in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, So it's thirty three
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  Speaker 2: probably seven. And then an instrumental amazing, which is tight
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  Speaker 2: conductors having a minute. So this is like to have
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  Speaker 2: like a.
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  Speaker 1: He's having a definitely, you know what I mean. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's funny too because he always gives you props. Uh look,
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  Speaker 1: oh that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: The picture of this.
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  Speaker 1: What what is the turner because you have to turn
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  Speaker 1: the album in a while ahead before.
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  Speaker 2: You instrumental album. We did this bundle for a hundred
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  Speaker 2: bucks all that it was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It's well worth it. My thing is is when you
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  Speaker 1: when you know you're gonna do something crazy like this,
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  Speaker 1: like obviously you got to is it like ninety days out?
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  Speaker 1: You gotta turn the album in.
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  Speaker 2: That's the crazy part. Like, So with Rhyme, says, I've
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  Speaker 2: been doing bigger picture right releases. I've been for everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I've been producing my own albums on my own label,
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  Speaker 2: but as an artist, as an MC, I've still been
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  Speaker 2: signed to Rhymester with the so like learning about the
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  Speaker 2: manufacturing and like you can move.
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  Speaker 1: This wattle just in front of the micro how do
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  Speaker 1: you want to.
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  Speaker 2: Get right? Did you get there? Yeah? Oh for me
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  Speaker 2: it is cook okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean because you have been doing the vinyl
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  Speaker 1: thing on your own, so you know this is obviously
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  Speaker 1: an official Evidence album, so it's a little different. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: you had it like what what what leeway do you
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  Speaker 1: have to give Rhyme SAARs so they can make sure
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  Speaker 1: this is ready by the time the album comes out.
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  Speaker 2: So I've been doing the like producing blues album for
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  Speaker 2: Domo's album thank You and then stuff like that. There's
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  Speaker 2: a certain time frame that I'm used to. But with Rhyme,
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  Speaker 2: says it's like there's still a bigger picture of play
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  Speaker 2: like they're doing they're so listening to Amba and things
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  Speaker 2: like that, and so we're still doing a pre order
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  Speaker 2: and it's a longer leading time and like after I've
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  Speaker 2: been doing the independent thing for a minute, like getting
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  Speaker 2: used to like more of the older way a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but in a dope way, like yeah, a bigger reach.
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  Speaker 2: This takes a long time, Like we had to have
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  Speaker 2: I mastered this album in November. Wow, so about that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And like so I started shooting mad videos
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  Speaker 2: because I had nothing else. It's like there's gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a long time for me to you guys.
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  Speaker 1: Shot the video at the Apple Pan, my favorite burger
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  Speaker 1: in La.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. And like all those videos
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  Speaker 2: were all a little bit ago, right, and so I
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  Speaker 2: just got stacked up on artillery to have when I dropped.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's frustrating, or you got to not have
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  Speaker 2: butterfingers because people want to drop everything they got not
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  Speaker 2: envy a little bit, Like moving in real time is
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  Speaker 2: something that I want to get into.
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  Speaker 1: More, right, because I do feel like you're I feel
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  Speaker 1: like when we think of you as an artist, it
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  Speaker 1: does feel very like we get gaps in between projects.
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  Speaker 1: It's not as as in real time as like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you get in with Conductor and you have no
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  Speaker 1: no with your production. I mean like, let's say you
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  Speaker 1: and Conductor get in and you guys bang out eight record.
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  Speaker 1: You're wrapping over his beats and you're like, what if
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  Speaker 1: we just want to drop these like and then and
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  Speaker 1: then the okay, well fuck, we gotta think about vinyl and.
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  Speaker 2: The whole leading this hell. But then when you drop
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  Speaker 2: it and it's proper.
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  Speaker 1: Feels good.
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  Speaker 2: It feels good when you got this, when you got everything,
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  Speaker 2: and it's like and people are like, wow, look at
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  Speaker 2: the attention to detail, people spending their money, which is
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  Speaker 2: real for sure, and then they get a package that's
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  Speaker 2: like you could tell people gave a ship. It does
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  Speaker 2: go a long way. So you know, Alchemist is my
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  Speaker 2: like it's the oracle, you know. And then there's rhyme
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  Speaker 2: staters and between the two of them, they're like, this
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  Speaker 2: is how you do it like that and this is
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  Speaker 2: how you do it. You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: It is interesting, Like I feel like al has kind
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  Speaker 1: of changed the way a lot of people should look
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  Speaker 1: at the vinyl game because he's really like kind of
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  Speaker 1: he was explaining to me how he was able to
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  Speaker 1: kind of figure out that direct to record plant relationship,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, it's really changed his business model as
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  Speaker 1: a producer for you, being able to work with guys
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  Speaker 1: like Blue and like do these like side projects with
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  Speaker 1: Domino and all that. Like, is that something that you
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  Speaker 1: were able to pick up from al in terms of
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  Speaker 1: just like figuring out and the new business model of
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  Speaker 1: what it is to be evidence as either a producer
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  Speaker 1: or a rapper.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been like a tremendous reinvention, and it came
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  Speaker 2: subtly over a long time, So there was no like
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  Speaker 2: banner that I just you know, started waving. But watching
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  Speaker 2: him do that, you know, because you got to understand,
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  Speaker 2: I watched all the evolution of Alchemists, So his whole
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  Speaker 2: thing was like, look, figured out a bunch of shit
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  Speaker 2: where things went wrong, and I'm going to help you
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  Speaker 2: trim the fat on those things. And I'm gonna give
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  Speaker 2: you the playbook how to save years and the mistakes
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  Speaker 2: that I made, you know, and those were a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things like not doing your own album through your
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  Speaker 2: own label, right, taking advances and because they made my
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  Speaker 2: first chemistry set through MASSI appeal BOLDI James Alcomy right right,
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen fourteen, something like that. But that didn't ring
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  Speaker 2: off like price of tea in China. It wasn't even close.
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  Speaker 2: And that's because you could tell one thing is more,
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  Speaker 2: because I argue the music is just as good, right right, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And so I think when you know it's
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  Speaker 2: yours and the fans know they're supporting you directly, you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to do a Patreon. You can say this
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  Speaker 2: is a fair exchange I'm giving you.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a kind of like a
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  Speaker 1: piece of art crack.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and in return you pay,
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, yo, the value this is going up
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  Speaker 2: after Yeah, I.
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  Speaker 1: See it with the ol vinyl like you even I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure your vinyl, like you could go on eBay and
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of these limited edition vinyls, Like if
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  Speaker 1: you're a fan one, it's dope to like support and
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  Speaker 1: get something dope that you could tangible put on your shelf.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're just like I want to support and
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  Speaker 1: fuck I'm in a tough time. I can flip this
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  Speaker 1: vine over three hundred bucks. It is what it is like.
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  Speaker 2: And so the whole point was that it was like
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  Speaker 2: I was like, look, this is the way I'm having success,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm watching it. I'm seeing it. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: he has to flass it or show me something. I
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  Speaker 2: see it in real time, the just from the studio
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  Speaker 2: and the people who are coming over, and you're noticing things. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's been an upgrade going on and there's a new
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  Speaker 2: fever for what's being created. So he was like, you
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  Speaker 2: need to do this. So my idea was all right,
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  Speaker 2: I still got a couple more on rhyme says, let
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  Speaker 2: me start producing other artists under my label. I can
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  Speaker 2: get the feel of what this is like, start building
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  Speaker 2: with people getting mailing this, create my website, see what
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  Speaker 2: my insufficiencies are, what I'm strong in, and also get
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  Speaker 2: to flex my production because I produce for a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people over the years, but it was always like
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  Speaker 2: a track here, a track there. I did full bodies
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  Speaker 2: of work, but they were always for another label. And
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  Speaker 2: so this was like, Okay, now you got to show
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  Speaker 2: people you're giving out your best beats. It's on your label.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna make the art, You're going to shoot the video.
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  Speaker 2: You're gonna believe in the artist. It's something you want
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  Speaker 2: to post on the front of your Instagram, not just
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  Speaker 2: in the story, you know what I mean, Like, you're
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  Speaker 2: serious about this, and then by the time I get
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  Speaker 2: off rhyme sayers, I'll have a well kind of more
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  Speaker 2: than making me the guinea pig.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as opposed to you like jumping in.
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  Speaker 2: From the dopest label to like what am I doing?
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean. So it's been like a
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  Speaker 2: two three years, but I did eighteen releases, which is crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's dope a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And there's like I was telling somebody else, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: these are the people who are all the way locked in,
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  Speaker 2: the people who would know the keyboard player's name from
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  Speaker 2: Radiohead if they have a keyboard player. But my point is,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And so losing not losing,
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  Speaker 2: but like maybe losing some casual fans in the process
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  Speaker 2: of really gaining some people who are all the way
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  Speaker 2: dialed in.
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  Speaker 1: for people who don't know, cause I think that you know.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny because I was talking with al We had
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  Speaker 1: like a random three hour hang before this Alfredo two event,
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  Speaker 1: and we were just just shooting the shit and he
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  Speaker 1: was telling me, he was like, YO, like right now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't He's like. I was like asking him, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Yo, who are the producers right now that
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  Speaker 1: you feel like, are like really in their bag that already?
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  Speaker 1: He's like, Yo, honestly, Ev like Ev is like unlocked
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  Speaker 1: a new tea here of like being in his producer bag.
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  Speaker 1: Is that something? Because I feel like you're you're like
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  Speaker 1: a studio rap. This is just kind of your life
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  Speaker 1: at this point. I'm like, you would just do music
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  Speaker 1: for yourself that nobody else would ever hear if you
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  Speaker 1: if you had to. But is that something you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you've just elevated recently with maybe just the launch
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  Speaker 1: of the label and like kind of realizing, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: the production side of this is how I'm gonna unlock
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  Speaker 1: this business model as a guinea pig, like you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with these other artists, you feel like the
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  Speaker 1: production bag for you has gotten like just crazy recently.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's evolving, like because the beats on that
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles album last year were crazy. I think it's evolving.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: In photography, you don't you're not supposed to know you're
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: getting better. You just shoot every day and then you
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: look back at your photos and wow, I used to
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: just only shoot at the sun, you know, a sunsets only.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea. I just pointed, I can't rat
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  Speaker 2: the sunset every day, right, And then you start looking
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  Speaker 2: and wow, look at this. I'm focusing on people's hands
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  Speaker 2: now making a series like that. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: I've just become more and I've just kept doing it.
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  Speaker 2: I just kept doing it. And the thing I can
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: always say, and a lot of people always say, is
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  Speaker 2: what is always be the weakest man in the room.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's always that's a good.
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  Speaker 1: Thing, great way to move.
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  Speaker 2: And if you're hanging out with a what I'm hanging
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  Speaker 2: out with Sam, I am and I got Budgy, and
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  Speaker 2: I could think of knowledge in the room, and I
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: can think of Chuck strangers in the room, and I
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  Speaker 2: could just start picturing everybody who's in the studio right now.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm sitting in there like fuck, And so that'll make.
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  Speaker 1: You still how you sharpen your sword? Man?
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  Speaker 2: And then when I'm recording people, you got to imagine, Look,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't I had a few years off wrap. My
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  Speaker 2: last album was twenty twenty one, twenty twenty five. That's
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  Speaker 2: four years.
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  Speaker 1: And that's like the lifetime in hippop career roulette, right,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's people's careers are don't
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  Speaker 1: last four years.
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  Speaker 2: I'm done, But you got to imagine it's like in
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: that time I recorded some of the best rappers and
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: made dope ass albums with them. You don't think I'm
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: not sitting there being a sponge like absorbing all this shit.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: And just even getting inspired on side.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm sitting with Earl and Al and I'm sitting
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Donald and I'm sitting with everybody who's like and they
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: throw me in love. So it's like, all right, many
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: doubts I have, it's being confirmed by the people that
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I care about the most. I could throw those out
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: the window. Then there's other shit I gotta deal with.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But it's like there's a dope thing about wanting to
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: be the worst and then also being accepted, you know
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And it's like, oh, it's like redeeming,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Like you know, this is it's not light. These are
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: really God forbid anything happens to anybody. These are real legends,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so it's like and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: so for how to say it is the highest compliment
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: And he would never say to me, that's the dopest
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: part about you guys.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: For people who don't know you guys' history. You guys
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: have been friends that you guys are kids, right.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, since it definitely.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: For you real young Yeah, what was what was your guys'
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: like genesis of y'all's relationship? Was it school? Was it just?
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: It wasn't school, It was mutual friends and malls were
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: big at the time. People would everybody.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Would go hang on at that. I mean, my childhood.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: We just Saturday. Yeah, let's go hang on at the
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: mall for for six hours. Yeah yeah, it hang out
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: at sam Goodie and listen to some albums, you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: maybe go to game Stop, play some demos, you know.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Sh it was crazy, a little crazier than that. But
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the he was just in a common circle. And then
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: there was an open mic. One time he said he
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: saw me trying to get the mic. He was intrigued
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: by that. And then after a while we were just
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: hanging out. But this has got to be fourteen, wow,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: fifteen and then you know, I've told the story a
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: million times. But I lived in Venice next to QD three,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Quincy Jones' son, and you know he was at the
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: time there's no pro tools, nothing like it, and having
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: a studio alone was just a big deal, big fucking deal.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: And so to come to my house, maybe we could
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: go over there smoke weed, right, and so I just
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: my house became the place in Venice or like for me,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I was the man, but also for the bonus of
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: we could probably go over to Q's house and you
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: got him and he's producing Ice Cuban, right, Tupacin's Yeah,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and so I'm living next
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: to this. Even if that wasn't at the time maybe
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: a little later, it's still like the evolution. I met him.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: He was doing the music for Fresh Prince of bel Air,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He's legendary. Shit.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: It's crazy too, because I feel like there was this like,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I always to try to tell people when
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I was a kid. So I met you when I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: was so a platform tour came to Phoenix, the Neatest
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Hideaway when I was probably twelve or thirteen, probably thirteen actually,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: because that was two thousand, right, was that two thousand platform? Yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So I was thirteen. So this is a time when
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: my best friend Ramses finds out that his brother is
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: in a rap group called Dilated People's Roka. Right, So
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: he had went out to LA and hung out with
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: his pops and Raka and at the time the Licks
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: were around and all this. Anyway, So the first time
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I get to meet you, guys, I'm thirteen. I'm go
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: to this concert. That concert really changed my life because
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: at that time I was like, I was like, I'm
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: always been a hardcore hip hop but I was very
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: much like very into like DMX and you know, all
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the commercial shit, the No Limit records and all this shit.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: But when I went to this show, there was a
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: DJ who opened up for y'all. I think he was
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: from Arizona. His name was DJ Megadeth and he was
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: just playing shit like I never even fucking heard, and
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, it was like it unlocked this whole
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: thing as a kid for me. But fast forward, you
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: guys do Expansion Team and I got to come to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: La with Ramses as a kid. I went to the
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Fat Beats signing you guys had, which was also a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: cool thing for me because I was hanging out in
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the office at Fat Beats. I was like a fourteen
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: fifteen year old fucking raw Digg is there?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Obviously Jay five pulls up and then you guys had
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the Expansion Team released concert. I think J five was
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: there right.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Anyway, this whole like you guys, I always say, dilated
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: people's as like a fucking as a just you guys
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: really changed my trajectory as a hip hop fan.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: So that led you into everything else.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, like really changed my life, you know. And
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: so I used to tag your guys's logo on every
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: folder I had if I still have old folders from
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: high school and middle school and it's I can hit
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that fucking logo with my eyes closed.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, I'm super proud of you just walking
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: in here, seeing everything you've accomplished. You know, I've always
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: been the young one and the crew, you know, so
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I know what it's like. Yeah, you know, and so
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I know what that's kind of feels like, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: even if it's a right evolution of it. And so yeah,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: just to see you do all this is crazy. We
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: could talk about it later, but yeah, I don't even
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: want to drag that. I didn't want to even drag
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: that element into it, just because I'm proud of thank
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: you everything that you're doing. I don't even look at
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you as the kid that I used to know.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: It's a trip. But I want to know, like because
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I remember around that time, like I went and copped,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like I got the Dafari album Focused Daily from the warehouse,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: and I remember you were in that motherfucker you had
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: long hair in the booklet and this one I'm learning
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: about like Liquor Crew and all this stuff, and like
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: kind of this just collective that you know involves kind
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of everybody when we talk about you and rock and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you know X and King T and what's.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: The trip is? You think me and Al are friends?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: He goes to New York to college and I stay here.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Because that was ninety five when he left.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I think nine actually yeah later, And so then he's
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: mobbing with everybody out there, and then this is what
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I'm doing out here.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: You're mobbing with all the LA legends is out there
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: building with It was mob wild, Yeah, just wild. So
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder, like, at what point in time, because obviously
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: you're kicking it with with Al, Like where did the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: idea of Dilated start? Because you guys had one of
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the most successful independent singles of all time on vinyl
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: with Work the Angles. Yeah, at the time it was
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the most successful. I'm not sure if it still is
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: or not, but that wasn't so it's hard to say,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: but it did really good. It did really really good.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But like that record kind of kicked off you guys
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: getting a major deal and putting out an album and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: obviously having a crazy album run. But like, what was
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: the beginning of you rock and Babs kind of coming together.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Alchemists and me used to go to freestyle at the
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: hip hop shop on the Melrose Rock. I worked there.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I met him. I had seen him before the graffiti
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: or graffiti. I already liked him and knew him had
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: somebody to talk to. And I walked in there, you know, right,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: and then yeah, he probably seen us rhyman. I linked
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: up with him, Like I said, I live next to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: QD three, and I had beats from him that maybe
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: my mom gave him money right for something crazy, like
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: something real sweet, you know what I mean.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you here, whatever it was, you.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean, or whatever, And so I used
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: to run with that like, yo, I'm maybe I told Rocket,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you know, we could do a demo or something like
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: along those lines, you know, like the way Rhyme Alchemist
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: was already rhyming with Scott Cohn. Yep, I wasn't in
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that group. I was looking for something I didn't want
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to wrap by myself. Wrapping with somebody who looked like
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: me wasn't going to happen. There was nobody else, so
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it was like, okay, well this is dope in a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: different way, you know what I mean. And Rocket was
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: more street older. I was like, that's kind of fire.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: And then so yeah, we just started working. He led
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: to him knowing DJ Lethal from House of Pain, which
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: led to doing demos there, getting a record deal, getting
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: an album that got shelved, and then coming back through
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: independence on aby ab and then meeting Baboo who worked
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: at Fat Beats. Everything just kind of happened. It's that
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: young shit of just being young and the world is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: in front of you and you're not questioning and you're
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: just taking it all in, you know what I mean,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: And so things just were moving and yeah, then that
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: led to making the Work the Angle song, pressing up vinyl,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: selling out shows on Sunset Strip, crazy labels coming to
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: check it, and getting a record deal. It was it
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: was wild.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Work the Angles is Uh, it's one of my
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: favorite songs.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Of all time and not crazy.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: It's like it's it somehow has not aged like when
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: you like, when I hear the song, it's still it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Just you know, there's certain records from that era, especially
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: from like the quote unquote like backpack era of la
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: hip hop that like I loved growing up, and then
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I'll listen to sometimes now and I'll be like, ah,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: this is the work the Angles is fucking It's on
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the mantle Bro.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Some of the ship has done really good because now
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: everything is digital, a lot of that was analog, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the analog shit still holds up in a major way.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: If it was done so you could still you could
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: put eighty plugins on and you can't just get what
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: it was like hitting tape, you know what I mean.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And so some of the older stuff it was done right,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: holds up in a weird way just because of the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: fact that we're all trying to emulate that so much
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: now through all.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: The yeah, through the plugins, you're trying to emulate what
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: what you guys did, because that's all you had. You
• 25:02
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• 25:45
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• 25:48
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• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the podcast. Okay, so the platform ends up coming, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: guys end up signing. I'm sure there was, uh, there's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: there had to be some sort of bidding more for
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you guys to end up with Capital.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the bidding war happened. We went to Capitol because
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: they didn't have rap, and we thought if we're the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: only rap, well, all the other people liked it, but
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they said what you did was good, but we what
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: about working with such and such And at the time
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: we were so like in your Yeah, we were gangstar minded,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: What I mean, Like, we want to do more of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this the.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Way we want it, and so Capital just didn't know
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: any better, and they gave us more money, so it
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: was the place to go.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So Platform comes out amazing body of work. I feel
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: like things started to really change, at least commercially for
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: you guys once Expansion Team drops.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Because the first album wasn't accepted commercially, but we had
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: such a strong fan base that we did numbers. Yeah,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: so they kept us.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: And it was a great album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: fucking album. Yeah. But Expansion Team comes and then you
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: guys finally kind of get I guess a taste of
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: what like mainstream success could look like with a record
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: like Worst Comes the Worst.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Which is ironic because it was such like a just
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: a dilated kind of record.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: It was super dilated.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, guru, do it like a little there's no exactly
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: like the way Eric sermon, just like music we had
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: when Worst Come to Worst, My people come first, just
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: to refrain constantly coming back. The song is a minute
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: in fifty seconds. Capitol said that couldn't work, so we
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: added the instrumental at the end for like two minutes.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: If you've ever noticed, it's a short song on the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: vinyl and then the beat just runs from Matt. That's
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: how we defeated like that. Once they saw it longer,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: they said, cool, we didn't do anything different. But the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: craziest thing is that really worked to our favor because
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: they would play our song on Power one of six,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: let's say, but not because they wanted to, because it
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: was working in the format or what is tested or whatever.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Testing it was working, you know, not researching.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: It was researching, not because the DJs at the station
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: were excited that it was researching, right, but it was
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: and the Capitol had some money behind it, I'm sure,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: so they were playing it. So they'd always played at
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the end of their segment. What was dope is we
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: had that long instrumental running at the end, so they
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: would use that as the gap to talk about whatever
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: the fuck they were talking and get the next DJ
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: on and so our beat would just be running for
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like five minutes as like an ad and it really
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: just it propelled the song at radio for some reason,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And that one just worked out.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: And I would say that second album is the most
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: pure Dilated ever was at the moment because it was
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: really our first album, the album that came out previous
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: we had made, previous to having a deal, right, this
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: was kind of a time made an album, you know
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: what I mean, on a label, you know what I mean?
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, because it's almost like if you think
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of like worth the Angles Work the Anglesers recorded as
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: like a single and then it ended up in a
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and you guys actually platform.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: It was just a collection of songs.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of stuff that was released independently prior to that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: So The Expansion Team, to me is one of my
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: favorite albums ever. And I think of like even just
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: like the moments where like fill the Agony gets an
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: interlude and Tafari gets an interlude, and like you guys
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: have like I feel like like even live on Stage
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: ends up being like a in Step brother It ends
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: up being like of yeah, video game song too.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: It was in the movie. It's still in the movie
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: NBA Street, NBA Street all that shit, but it's in
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the movie Step Brothers when they're on their job and auditions.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Right, But it's like crazy that like just why we call.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: It it's step Brothers, Me and Alchemists, Ah.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I see that, but yeah, that was such a you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: important album just for me personally, man, because that to me,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: like you said, like that album to me is like
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a classic. I think it's your guys' best album, and
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like it kind of changed everything. And then
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Neighborhood Watch comes troublesome time, so Neighborhood Watch happens, and.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Then that's like the labels in the mix now, So
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: now the labels like your get a little taste because
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: we almost went gold with this. Last one did really good. Yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming probably the Worst comes to Worst, but that
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: at the time, it was like so there made a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: silver plaque in Europe or whatever something, you know, it
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: was like a big deal.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I remember the Worst Comes Worst video. I remember like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: oh shit, man, these underground dudes got a BMW. This
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: one got an X five dog.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: First day it came out, you know. But that so
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, I was in my little thing
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: right there. I don't have any jewelry. I don't do
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: none of that. I always just want a nice car
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: and a good microphone and that's my that's my jewelry.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: But all to say was like once that happened, Black
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Eyed peas were blowing up and got bright ideas.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: J five's doing well too, Like so, I feel like
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: J five had some Like I remember J five would
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: always be on like MTV at least like Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: They had a crack Interscope was really good.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: You guys had that word of mouth tour that was amazing.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing was dope. And then at
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: that point it got a little cloudy. I think ambitious
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: But I love Neighborhood.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: WI Good songs great, a great record with the with
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: the Kanye song attached to it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I love Neighborhood. Watch Marathon is like one of my
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: favorite fights.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: No good. I just mean the Kanye single being like
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: so was that was representing the whole album that really
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: didn't represent that song.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: I would say, would you say, like was it was
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: this way like a label play?
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: It was a label play and then but that was
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: cool because it was like working with Kanye West really
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: wasn't different than working with any under underground beat maker.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: To me at the time, at that time, he was
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: making soul samples, breakbeats attached to him.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I didn't see the what's coming I'm saying, But back
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: then I feel like it's obviously a different time. You
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: guys obviously went on tour with him too and.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Later, but when they're proposing Scott Storch or Kanye West
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: as ideas Kanye West felt like, oh, that's the guy
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: who made truth for Beanie Seagull, right, that's a dope loop.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I would have looped that, you know what I mean,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Like it was more natural, like guy like minded, you
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? With the East Coast sound, it
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: was it wasn't that crazy to me as an idea.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: This way was one of them joints that like again
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it it like you said, I'm like, oh shit, like this,
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: it's really fucking happening, Like you turn on BT, this
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: way is on the video was crazy.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: You never felt right, It never felt all the way right.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: But a lot of the moments were genuine and like
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: me getting to produce on college dropout and then going
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: on tour with him, he was really he looked out
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: for us in a major way and he did his
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: best to make us feel comfortable in his ascension like
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: he he was there for that. So I gave him
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Of was was that era? Because I feel like I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: feel like like you said, because you. You was a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: last call college drop out that you were able to
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: help produce or co producer or whatever.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I produced that ship.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: You produced the record.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: And then he and then the sample got denied and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: then he took it away. Was that I didn't know
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: after that. He just amazed me with what he did.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: He deserves the production?
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Was that something you guys worked on in the this way?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Right then? Right then, same exact time. So jay Z
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: was doing the Blackout? Yeah, and I had to beat
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: mister Rockefeller bet Middler's sample and say can you get
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: it to him? And he wanted it?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: And wow, So you guys were did you guys cut
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: this way in the studio with Kanye?
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: So that was like a how was that session?
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Pretty good? There's two days? Was there the whole time?
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Legend was there the whole time. These aren't artists who
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: are big yet, so it's it's not weird. I'm picking
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: them up in my car, you know what I mean.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: So it's just like another day if I pop in
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: there and some up and coming kids, you know what
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I mean. And so really, I mean, it was obvious
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: what was happening, and it was obvious that I remember,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: But you know, he was also Rockefeller, so it wasn't
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like he was nobody. He produced fucking.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: The college dropout there.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Correct, and look at him as an artist was what
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I wasn't doing. I was still looking him and him
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: like buck wow or look at him like that, you
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, or just blaze or somebody just
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: dope on the production side.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think around that time he probably only
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: really had like through the Wire circulating on the mixtape scene,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and then he was on the Twister record.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: No that came. He was showing us the video for
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the Wire, like the raw edit.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: That's fucking wild.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Ueah.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So you guys go on this tour and this was
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: another cool LA trip of my childhood. I came out
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: here and I saw you guys at the House of
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Blues open for you a. But this was also doubled
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: as like because your guys at LA date. Yes, yeah,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: because Neighborhood Watch dropped around that same time, and it
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: was wild because you guys performed and like everybody in
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: their mom came out during this show. From what I remember,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I think Exhibit came out. I feel like dub C
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: came out, maybe not during your set but I just
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: remember being at the House of Blues on Sunset and
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: being like, Yo, this is like I've never seen so
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: many famous motherfuckers perform in one night, like Kanye. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: think Kanye was. Were the young Guns on that tour? Yep,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: young guns were on that tour. That was a crazy tour.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I still have pictures from that tour. I think at
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that time, I was probably like sixteen, So I just
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: remember I have a picture with Kanye West at the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Marquee Theater in Phoenix. Picture with you guys, I got
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: my blue Neighborhood Watch Echo shirt on. But yeah, like
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you said, it was almost like that was like the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: first tour. Really that was a college dropout tour, right, Okay,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it's like the genesis of like you know, obviously.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Consequence was on tour.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Really though, JLC, the hip hop vian Lenis Chick, John
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Legend was just I remember because.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Fucking who's the dude getting everybody cuts? Who's like famous,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: super famous barber dude.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: It was wild, was like the the tour life, like
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: because you guys are these la guys. Obviously you guys
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: are kind of at this point like your own thing.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: But like the I feel like that college dropout era.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: It was. It was kind of like a It.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Was different that Dilated has a wide variety of an audience.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: That was I remember performing it being a predominantly black audience,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and be like, Okay, yeah,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: this is current, you know what I'm saying. This isn't
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: like white people clinging on to a past era type shit,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, This is like happening right
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: now with tour Little Brother, they have like an audience
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: like that as well, which tour which is always amazing, amazing,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so it was dope. To me. It felt
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a little different than when we're just doing like our
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: backpack thing, you know what I mean.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Right, it was like almost like yay, was he kind
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: of took the backpack spirit and put it into this
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: commercial package that I don't think we had seen in
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a long time.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Never happened before.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, first of all the polos talking about
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like like but just being proud of high lip quality,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: proud of most death, like championing, I'm gonna go to
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: the top and I'm going to champion the people that
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: we that should be champion, you.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean. That was his edge to me
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: was always like like he probably you know, he said
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: it in his rhyme some way, but you know, putting
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: like this person with that person right, you know, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: not being afraid to do it was bold and it
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: showed solidarity. Another strong thing from Al that you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody. Yeah, it's like, yo, he's
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: still showing me as much love as he did, no
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: matter what's happening, you know what I mean. And it's
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: like that says a lot.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think too, with the you know,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the certain uh level of hip hop that I kind
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: of came up listening to and the community that obviously
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: is here in LA that is from that era, I
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: think it's important that everybody sticks together more than it
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: like like you know, like I feel like I was
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: a perfect example of somebody who, like, no matter how
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: big of a placement he gets, he got, meet the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Grams or whatever, like, Al's still gonna do records with
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: who he who he came up like, which is what
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: he likes or what he likes. Like even I was
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: floating ideas to Al, I was like, yeah, it'd be
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: crazy if you did an album and so and son.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: He's like, I mean, yeah, that's a cool name, but like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if i'd want to do it type
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: ship and that and that and then what great? What
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: about restraint?
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Right? You know? That's I mean, you do ship? You know,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: maybe there's somebody like.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: To me, him and Larry June doing their ship was
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: like the most natural shit ever and it came in.
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• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Wait is the Weatherman OLP?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Right? Is that right?
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Seven oh seven?
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: So seven the Weatherman LP comes out? And it feels
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: like there's kind of like, you know, I feel like
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: you as a as an MC, I feel like when
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: like the with the early Dilated people, shit, you could
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: always kind of tell like, well, ev is like the
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: guy who can produce and rap, but rock is like
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: the guy who could rap rap, you know. But it
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: felt like every new album that Dilated would drop, your
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: bars would get sharper, you would get better right, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: then I feel like the Weatherman LP comes out and man,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I mean it's it's front to back, just an incredible
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: body of work and you know, personal classic to me,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: do you feel like when you were working on that,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: did you feel like you had any sort of like
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder or like something to prove?
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Totally did not not in a beef sense, no, no,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: but of.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Course, but just like a solo album from evidence and
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was in a group with two great people,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: so at a show, you got to imagine the confusion.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, who's here to see what? You know? What
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I mean? Though I never had the defining moment of
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: really in the first however, many years of my career
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: knowing exactly why things were the way they were, so
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: making a solo record would be the chance to find
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that out. I'm young, I'm probably twenty eight or nine,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: right around there, in a real confident time, you know
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: what I mean, and I felt like, this is the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: time I'm going to do that. My mom had passed
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: on the college dropout tour, so I left that so
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that tour is beautiful and the worst thing ever, you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: And then right around then I was trying to figure
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: out how do I say something personal within a dilated record.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: And when I was making a sequence, I had a
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: song and I tried to put it with dilated stuff,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of anthemic or political or freestyle type shit,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and it felt like, why is this just jumping out?
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: So that was one of the main reasons to do
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: a solo record was to pay homage to my mom
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: straight up. And then I started to get into the
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: idea of it, and I started to realize that songwriting
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: and producing is something that I truly love and that's
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: what makes a great album. There's a lot of barready
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: rappers who have made projects that didn't hold up over
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: a long period time.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you're you know.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, I could I know how
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to make records? Like, like, even if it was my
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: delusional mind, I really felt like that kind of how
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: to pick beats and how to say the right thing,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and I have a reason to make it, and so yeah,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: that's just what happened.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine like Chase the Clouds Away being on
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a dilated album.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: My point, It could It could? It could because Rocca
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: would say, helly you put that on the album. That's
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: why it could you know what I'm saying, because there
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: was no not like RockA never gave me no, no
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: for sure, but he was the biggest one, like stop
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: doing freestyle records, do something about something. All his ship
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: is overly conceptual, right, you know what I mean?
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: It would do like a proper, proper gand on.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Political record or this or that. So no, if anything
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: he encouraged it, it wouldn't be that, it would just
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: be my production filter going this doesn't work. And so yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: me in a group setting is one evidence, and me
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and by myself is more Michael than it is.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you know? Because I feel like
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: between the Weatherman coming out and then fast forward a
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: few years you put out Cats and Dogs Layover, Cats
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: and Dogs Layover. Yeah, I forgot Layover and.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And I did the Beatles album. I did a bunch
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: of shit for like immediate fans. They were getting fed
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: right around then.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: So you have this like insane momentum as evidence that
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: rivals whatever. I feel like, you know, dilate his momentum
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: was it?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I could never rival that because that was major, you
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Capital, But but I remember dude, like going to your
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: show like at this time, no, they had a moment.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I remember going to like seeing you in Vegas at
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the hard Rock and you're fucking selling out in Vegas
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: and like you you had like you know, you had
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of just I feel like there was a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like you. I feel like for a while there a
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: lot of like your fingerprints were on a lot of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: like some blog error raption that started a part that
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: people wouldn't even like maybe even give you credit for.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: But like, do you feel because because you are naturally
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: an introvert and I know that you've gone through a
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: lot on the personal side of your life that you
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: know a lot of people you know, I don't want
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to get into the specifics, but you've been through a lot.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like you purposefully kind of like relaxed
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: on I guess like because I feel like there was
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: like a point in time where it felt like you
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: just kind of like just were like, yo, I got
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to take a break from this shit, Like I'm a
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: step back from from from being quote unquote evidence.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Was that something that I mean in like the amount
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: of work I was putting out.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like just I feel like just like
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the amount of work and just like you know, I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: feel like obviously man, you know you like I said,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I feel like cats and Dogs drops. And then after
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Catting Dogs, what was the next thing?
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Whether or not that was my biggest solo record. That's
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: crazy that strow all the way and that's all those
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: two eighteen or ninety.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: But that's a big gap.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Huge but step brothers in between, a Dilated record in between.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: You know, like you can always trace me, I have,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I said on a new album. Every time I disappeared
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: through production, you know what I mean, it's like you
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: could find me. I'm somewhere written somewhere.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like though? Like did you? Because because
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: I say this about my shit is like I purposely.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I've never had dreams of having a solo career,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: by the way, but start let's start with that. How
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: I was at an in store in Philadelphia with Little
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Brother and Dilated People's and Little Brother and we were
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: signing right next to t LA and we were signing
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: records and somebody came to Big Poo and said, gave
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: him a project called Sleepers.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Great album.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what the fuck that meant.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: You're like, wait, Big Poo's got a solo album.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: And what is this? And the guy every other person
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: who went up to him and signed Little Brother shit,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: they was like, yo, you're the man. And then as
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: soon as the guy came with Sleepers, he started talking
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: to him forever about it. I was like, well, what
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: the fuck is this? You know what I mean? And
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I got a solo record. I want
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: a solo you know what I mean. It was like
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't see much past that. There was no big
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: play here. It was just that that moment on how
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: passionate the solo record was. Versu the way people were
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: looking at him when he was signing autographs for his group.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's a direct connection with that.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: When you look back at I mean, because this new album, man,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I feel like this new album is incredible. It's it's
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: one of the best albums of the year. The production
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: is insane. I feel like, when you think of your
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: solo discography, where would you if you were to take
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: because I feel like, you know you could put it
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: put this album up there, But I mean if you
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: were to take the new album out of where would
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you rank your solo discography? Like what in your opinion,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: what's your best album?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: How things play out over time is fucked up. So
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: it's like, but I could tell you how I felt
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: when I made him right, but how age determines is
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: kind of so yeah, But well, I'll say that The
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Weatherman was dope to me because I made sixteen songs,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and sixteen songs are on the.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Album sixteen for sixteen.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: There was no miss there was no asking if they
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: all had a reason, and they all the order presented itself.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of great Alchemist production on that show,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: for sure. I had him rapping twice, a lot of
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: people just getting hip to al rapping. But it's like
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I've been hollered at y'all about this man. Stop, you
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So it's like I was, now,
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: now you you guys, figure that shit out. Now. I
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: already did the Mountaintop, my favorite rapper, my favorite producer,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: my favorite art. Yeah, for sure, I did all that.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: So it's like, but yeah, and so that was great
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: because the confidence and this is no second guessing. I
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: flew to New York and mastered it Tom Coin, who
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: passed away with legendary mastering engineer just all the way
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Victory Layover was the second one. That one was the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: same thing again really in my bag. They were short
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: nine songs. I guess that's an album nowadays. At that time,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: anything under ten was EPP that I was. It was
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: on Jason Goldwatch's label, which was Dcon which is now massive.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Remember, and the.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Reason we did that is because he said I'll shoot
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of videos. So I was early on the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: video thing.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, had like eight videos for an album with nine
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: songs or seven videos and.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: You're a lot of your video What was that? That
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that other platform that wasn't YouTube back then that people
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: were during the blogger will put their videos on that
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: was like four K or h D.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Start start with a v vimeo, vemo, vimeo that ship
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: still No, it's not is it?
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Vimeo? Vemo Venmo?
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: But Cats and Dogs comes out.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: So then that's my first rhyme says, so that's all
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: the buzz. Then I signed with them because I had
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: been seeing what Atmosphere was doing touring and it intrigued
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: the ship out of me, and their social media presence
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: early on MySpace and Instagram preaked me out because nobody
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: was that organized like I want to be with them, right,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: they are organized, They're not in New York, they're not.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: In LA They're in Minneapolis.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just different, you know what I mean. I
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: was like I could and they there's nothing like me
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: over there. Sure nobody's doing my style ship, you know
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And so then did that and then
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: that led me to current. So Rhyme series has been
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: huge in my solo career.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember you the I was in I remember
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: when you and Brother Ali toured nine probably yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: because that was like and I feel like that was
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: because that was before Cats and Dogs, But I feel
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: like that probably was the lead into it, leading you
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: probably had already worked out that deal and they're like
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I was on the road with Brother Ali and.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Exactly they were doing something like that and the Yeah,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: what a dope. That was like a reset button for me.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: It change my attitude. His guys perform on carpets, they
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: have in ears. They're not rapping at other rappers and
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: other beat makers in the crowd. They're rapping at people
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: who don't make music, just humans, you know what I mean.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: It was like, oh this is it wasn't as B boy,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: is what I was used to. Even though they are
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: in the purest sense, it just had a Midwest twist on.
• 50:06
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• 50:55
  Speaker 1: If you had to put together your personal mount rushmore
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: of production production, and you can't use Al because he's
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: one of your best friends. So let's take Alchemists and.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: We should have put him in there.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: No, No, he's he he's not because it's not undebated.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: If he's in there or not.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: He built the mountain.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: We know he's there. You mean, there's so many people
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: before him. He's built. What I'm saying, he's about your
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: personal mountain. You guys have been friends that you were fourteeneh.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean, that doesn't mean.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's implied.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends who rap who ain't
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: gonna make my top ten list.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, but let's say four people who aren't the Alchemist.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Why four? Because top five? So how about with al
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: would be six?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Five? This sucks. This sucks. What's your favorite movie?
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Big Lebowski?
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: Really, it's definitive It's better than Godfather to definitively, The
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: Big Lebowski is my favorite movie. Better than Coming to America.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: I think it is better than Coming to America.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Doctor dre Well DJ Premiere.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Primo Doctor dre.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: Pete Rock oh yeah, and Large Professor okay, and then
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: it would right, here's where it gets wild m M
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: because this is a wild play. But notice mine all
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: from an era. And then this gets debatable. Okay, but
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: it it's either Marley Mall okay, or it's Kanye.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Respected. That's a great list.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: And I feel like, because if you're going to go
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: back to what inspired premiere, you know what I'm saying.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: And then if it's what inspired the whole next generation
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: of production, it's Kanye, either Pharrell or it's one of
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: them two and then Alchemists, of course it's different.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I respect the list. Would you guys do another.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Who got missed? Who is the ones?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe mad Lib not enough?
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Maybe Game not enough? Songs that changed life?
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: You said, Primo, maybe the Rizza?
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there is? So then there's the Then he
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: might be the best of and it's crazy because he
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: might be the best of all time, but he the
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: only armor? What is it? What is the thing in
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the armor that the only thing about him that is
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: just not a wide catalog of records outside of.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Te I also feel like he kind of stopped.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Like and then that and then the then the that as.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Well, right, yeaheah, And that that's kind of how I
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: feel about like when I think of like.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Dilah and then and then JA because I think like,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I think Dila is up there and then Q two.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: But when I think of like, I think it's crazy
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: because I just had this conversation about just being able
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: to survive eras with the output and there's really not
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: that many people. And when you start thinking of it
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: in that sense, Ow's in that combo all time because.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: He's done something that no one else has done.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: There's I'm about reinventing that over and over and over
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: that and being relevant over and over and over for such.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: A long time.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Not just crazy.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: But see I was arguing with somebody who's of a
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: higher statue. You know, I don't want to throw him
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: out there, but he was. We were arguing about rap
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: and he said this rapper is the greatest of all time,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: and I said, shit, what about this guy who in
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: my mind is out wrapping that guy? And he goes, dude,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: ain't change the generation for sure. So he's what he
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: was telling me was, yeah, he got maybe there's more syllables.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: He could maybe like bar out more. Yeah, but the
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: influence He didn't, you know that conversation all the time
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: because I'm a big Black thought guy.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Oh you're doing this, don't do that.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: No, No, I'm a huge Black thought guy. But it's like,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: even like a Loop A fiasco. I think Loop A
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: fiasco bar for bar when he wants to, like rap
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: could probably out wrap the planet. Now, with that being said,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: you couldn't put Loop A above nas or jay Z
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: or even though like if you know, if if you
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: sent each one of those guys into a room and
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: they had to come up with like thirty two bars,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Like maybe Loop A has the best thirty two bars.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: But when you're talking about the totality of influence of culture,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: longevity of relevancy, that's just something that when you have
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: those conversations you can't ignore.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: There's some shit I watched on some platform the other day.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: It was a big platform and they were interviewing some
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: guy who I didn't know who he was, but it
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: had some the platform had so many members that decided
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: to watch it. And he was interviewing some guy who
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: ran Capital Records in UK okay whatever it is. But
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: this guy apparently signed big artists and at a time
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: where everything was tanking right, he was going like this,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: and he just said, it's three things that I look for,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I think, he said, in an order that decide whether
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: this is going to work or not. And everyone, all
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: his stockholders and all the people in the room are
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: trying to guess, you know, the people who write the checks, like,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out why this guy's working right, and
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: they all say, they said, we're like, they said, uh, talent,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: He said, yeah, that's number two or three, and then
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: they said work ethic and they said number two, and
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: then nobody could get one for a long time, and
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: he just gave up, and he said, likability. I signed
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: somebody if they're likable or that's it. And he said,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: if you base it on talent or work ethic, well
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of those. But he's like, if nobody
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: likes you, the doesn't matter. He said, we're in a
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: music business.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: We're not just keywords business that.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: And so it's like, as nice as people are, they
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: got to realize that in the music business, maybe they're
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: not as dope as they thought they were, right, but
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: like in every other sense they are for sure, you
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so that's I think that's
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: why sometimes person singing behind sting, it's probably a better
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: singer than sting, but they're not sting, you know what
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, And so they're sitting behind him going, I'm
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: singing that's so much better than you. Let's keep it real,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: So it's like, but things work out for different ways.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: And I think he even said, yeah, put Madonna in
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: a singing contest, is what he says.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: You obviously, I always wondered this, to go back to
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: worst comes the worst for a second, How did like
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: like the Guru part of that song? By the way,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: shout to Guru?
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Alchemists just you know, that might be one.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Of our's like early like big like radio records.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: He made that happen, is what I'm saying.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, he made the Guru thing happen.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Premiere and Alchelmist made it happen Premiere mixed that record.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: People don't even realize it. Him and Eddie, Wow, you know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: it's just we had a space. We asked, Guru, can
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: you put something there? We thought maybe a chorus would
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: come in. It came out as back as a rhythmic
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: shout out it was. It was a dope shout out
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: and it worked, you know what I mean, And it
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: just like I was so honored, you know. So that's
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: just like a that's just a magical wishless time and
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: things are happening, you know, with the best of the
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: best mind you I got to work be in the studio.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I brought me in to hang out with Premiere and
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: NASA's lifetime. Sometimes you get to meet artists when they're
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: at a different point of their career.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: That's a crazy point though, just.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: To be around some of these people at you know,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: it's like when I was hanging out with well certain,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: you know, with the alcoholics or it's certain. It's like
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: that at the exhibit, I'm looking at the pivotal moment
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: when it's all happening. It's not that it's not just
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: as great now, but you just got to remind yourself,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: like pre gray hair motherfuckers who are like in their bag,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's like I.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Would say, like lately, I've been trying to because I
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: live so much in like cool moments that I don't
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: realize how cool they are. And you've probably been in
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of these situations where you're like you got
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: to kind of sometimes just be like, yeah, I've been
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: trying to do because I've been able to interview recently
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: like Snoop and like, uh, just people I grew up
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: like idolizing and it's not a big deal to me anymore,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: but recently I had to be like damn, Like like
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: I just interviewed ghost Face Killer, which is like, you
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: know wild, he's like my fifth favorite MC of all time.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: All the people too, when they come see you, they're
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: like happy to see you and they know you, and
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: it that's not like you're just like a like a chure.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: And it's even just like even like being like an
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: instrumental part of the interview side of the blog era
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: like at that time and I'm interviewing Kendrick and j Cole,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: like I don't realize, like this is like a crazy
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: weird renaissance and like hip hop.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: And now we break for Viagrad.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: But no, no, I feel like for you, like you
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: had to have been in so many of those moments
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: where you're like, Damn, I'm hanging out during the Liquid
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Crew era of West Coast hip hop or I'm hanging
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: out around like and you're a part of this.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: You gotta understand who is like when you're I see
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: it now with my kid and other people. It's like
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: when when you're young and hanging out with older people,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: you're not your best self. You're tripping over your shoes,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: you're stuttering, your mouth is dry, you're not you're on
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: your p's and q's, trying to impress people. And then
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: then you go hang out with your homies and you're
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: the man for sure, and then they see you over there,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: They're like, that's not even the same guy who's hanging
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: out with us, you know what I'm saying. So it's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: like being young, we got to experience a lot of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: like those like crazy like I don't know what the
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: fuck I'm doing here and I don't even know if
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I should speak type moments, you know what I mean.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: And now it's become grown into it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: Well, now you're going to look back and be like
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: you never get over that shit.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't, especially you know I hang out with be real,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: it still fucks me up. I'm not evidence around Breel
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: round premiere. I'm a mess. Yeah, he looks at me
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: funny because it's like he don't even know who I
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: am because I'm still You're just like it's like Dwight
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: goodin DJ premiere, Haleyo Grace, you know what I mean.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: It's like this wall of legend shit, the homie, which
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: is I don't I don't know how to get over it?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Do you? And I don't want?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't. That's what That's kind of my point, like
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: you shouldn't get over it, because that's what kind of
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: got you here, right when I think of like, you know,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: sometimes like we have these West Coast hip hop conversations
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: and like the I guess, the the I would say,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: the boom back underground side of that conversation always gets
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: ignored when we think about like what West Coast hip
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: hop rats are and all that? Did you guys ever,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: because there was definitely a crazy movement coming out of
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: LA between yourself, J five, you know, visionaries, living legends,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: fucking we can go on and on and on, but
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: it was very much different than what the commercial audience
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: had perceived West Coast music to sound like to be.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: What was it, like, I guess making music like that
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: in LA and being a part of that like kind
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: of backpack renaissance but not really necessarily kind of sounded
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: like what the general public had assume was LA hip
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: hop was supposed to sound like.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: It was a weird time. It was a lot of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: like where are you guys from?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Type ship Even the platform, we weren't on the subway like.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: The LA subway. Right. We were trying to show people,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, But yeah, we weren't on
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: the cover. It was all our music was super East
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: Coast inspired. But when I was growing up, I thought
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: EPMD was from the West Coast, true, you know, because
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: they had they were wrapping a more bounces.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: They were here so cool.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I like that, you know. I would say Fat Beats
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: was just a tremendous force in all of this. You
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: said music, plus there was warehouse, it was Tower Records.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Beats in LA was crazy.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Previous to that, that's where I used to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: go to the mainstream places to buy O GC or right,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Black Movie. Right. I didn't know then thefar I put
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: me up on game on there's a store. He started
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: naming off Rascal and Ship that I never heard about him.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is Rascal? He's like, oh, they got
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: that up there, and I'm like, what is it? And
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I'm finding these twelve inches Most Deaf, Miss Fat Booty,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: LP Funk Crusher, Company Flow Wild, I'm seeing all these records.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even it was like none of this was
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: that music. Plus that was and a lot of it
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: was East Coast.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: It kind of like opens you up to a whole
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: new world of like independent ship that you didn't even
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: know existed totally.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: So it showed me that like you can like East
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Coast shit and make East Coast sound in music or
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: premiere DJ, premiere minded beats and have a store on
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: the West Coast that's gonna slang this shit fire no Internet,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, prior to the Internet.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like who was the first I guess
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: laog when we think of like West Coast hip hop
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: that like maybe is on like the more traditional sonically
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: West Coast side that really embraced you guys.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Was it was?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: It? Obviously probably be real I'm assuming, right, tough.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Well lethal house of paints, so yeah, soul Assassins, a
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: lot of alcoholic.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: Crew, the Licks, Yeah, kan T.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: I didn't know k T really right, but yeah, but
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: we were always kind of like like.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Did you guys ever get on like Snooper Dre's radar back.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: I mean you can watch this in the Calis Active video.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: It's way later though, but cali is Active is later.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, like you know ninety nine, two thousand thousand,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: two thousand and two, Like, did you like get like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: did you ever find out like yo, oh shit, Dre
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: knows who we are?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: No, it was finding out that Pete Rock played our
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: ship on fucking the radio right right, right, right right.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I knew that like that side had embraced you guys.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I just didn't know if there was like, yo, fucking
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: DJ Quick is slapping our ship. This is crazy? Or
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: you know, cause I feel like.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think I don't think so. I think
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: it was more like, no.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: What Cali's active?
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: Be real for sure, be real, show love it's unquestionable.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to be real. Last Dilated album was
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: uh Is eleven years ago. Director of photography. Yeah, are
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: we ever going to get another one?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Do you want one? Of course you want one.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind one.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't mind one.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I would fucking think about it. Well, when I've seen
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: you guys perform live like three times in the last
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: twelve months and every time you guys perform live, I'm like, fuck, I.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Just did a song for Rocket we put out of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: forty five and my forty five I saw that fire
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: called conflicts and contradictions, conflict and contracts.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Would would you guys? Have you guys talked?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: You guys have done some live shows together. Recently they're
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: been doing live shows. There's been a little demand for it.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not big on like living off the past ship,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: but I don't feel like dilated is When we get on.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Stage, it feels very current.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: It was just yeah, it doesn't. I feel like we
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: give it are all still there's it's not mailed in never.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are all each too. Like I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: just feel like, you know it wouldn't.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a need for a new record
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: right now if we just started making music. But we
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: live far different lives, so I don't know.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: He has very far apart.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know how that. I don't know what sparks
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: it off, you know what, maybe even a single maybe,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't hate the idea of it.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I love the well that's that's what I like to hear.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: It's like when I just saw Baboo. I was like,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Baboo duck season, Dog, Like, can we do another duck season?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: Like what are we doing?
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm yeah, maybe maybe. I like the may I
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: love rock, I love Babs and they're still sharp as fuck.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: So I mean, it's it's if it wasn't overhyped and
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: if it was just like out the way and like,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: this is the thing I didn't know I needed today?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Is that the tweet or whatever that makes sense this
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: album I didn't know I needed on a Friday. Maybe
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: You uh helped with Conductor because I was interviewing Conductor
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: and we had talked about how instrumental you were and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: kind of helping him, uh network and kind of get
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: in front of some of the Grisel all this stuff.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Explain to me kind of your guys, because he's got
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: a crazy I mean, obviously you showed the vinyl that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that's that's not on the album, but the record that
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: is on the album with Blue. It's probably my favorite
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: beat on the album, to be honest, but it is crazy.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: Explain your guys' relationship because Conductor is on a crazy run.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: He's obviously producing for Drake, He's producing for I mean
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: he's he's killing it right now.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: He's having his moment right now for sure, and I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: hope that continues to the I met him at a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: show man. I just met him at a Yeah, with
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: the atmosphere, he wanted to come into the show. I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: got him in. I was aware to some capacity of
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: what he was doing and no idea. Really I knew
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: he was nice, kept in touch, super he just felt sincere.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed hanging out with him that day. He had
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of good things to say. Started
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: peeping his Instagram and it was like, oh, this isn't
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: this is fire, right, you know, And it's like, it's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: hard to gauge fire when there's two likes because everything
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: is such like a driven.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Even if you don't think it matters to you, it does,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: it does, it does? He's subconscious at this point you have.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: To ask yourself, why isn't anybody else Maybe I'm bugging
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: and so yea. It was just early on this thing,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: but I kept enjoying what he was doing to the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: point where I was like, I think trying it got
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: some beats. I don't know if it worked out, but
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: now we're talking and then yes, I think terminology. My
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: man Urn was doing an album with with horns. He
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: had an album where he was doing all album with
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: every all horn loops something like that.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: It conco sounds about right because Sermonology is sucking a
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: million albums.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, at this point, I'm going to do that.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: And so I was watching a conductor ig he had
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: a beat with a horn plant tag him and they took off,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: and then probably somewhere in there it led to Griselda
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: or something else. I didn't do nothing for conductor. He
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: did everything for himself. I just liked what he was doing,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: but from a genuine place, not for sure, you know,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: because it's it's uh yeah, when things get shiny, it's
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: so much easier to like him. I believed in what
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: he did earlier. Yeah, it's not a surprise. I've seen
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: so many people do well of growing up around will
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: in a mid and red food that is kind of
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: all and everybody. I've seen everybody do their things, So
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: it's not a surprise when I believe in somebody and
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: other people do as well.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: How many unreleased? Uh ever, you guys cooking up the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: new Step Brothers album, is there? Al don't want to.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: Say cryptic to me, imagine that and to the internet.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: It feels like he's wanting this to happen. Another thing
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: happens twenty fourteen, that's he you know, I think he did.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: He has gangreen, he'd been dropping those. I think he
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: got a couple done, so I think that's probably something
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: he wanted to do for a minute, and then I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: would hope this would be something like that. I think,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: here's the thing. I've tried to jump this and started,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: but he wraps on his own beats, So me sending
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: him my beats ain't going to start this project. It's
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: just not So when he's ready is when it will happen.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: But I think, like we have a song called rain
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: every season on on on Learning volume two, one.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Of my favorite also has a puzzle and color pencils
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: and composition book and.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wake up in my email and I
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: have a beat and a verse done. So it was like,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: that's that's going to get done, you know what I mean.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: I could just do my part and then and then
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: it's going to be on the album.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: So when he wakes up in that mentality and has
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: me in mind is when that will happen. But I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: don't think it's too far away. I don't think it's
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: too far away. Who could be bullshitting and it's mastered already.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: I think it probably is. It could be who's somebody
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: that you would love to produce an album for that
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: you haven't worked with yet.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this. Here's what I learned. The
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: ideas of what you have are not what reality is.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: And so it would have to be somebody At this
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: point in my life. It's like you're dating within your
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: tax bracket. It's got to be somebody you don't want
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: to you don't overkick your coverage. No, it's got to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: be somebody who likes to drive to my driveway.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Hey jay Z, Like, yeah, of course he.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Wants to use my bathroom at my house, you know
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And somebody use my forks that I
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: wash in my sink. That's who I need to work
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: with right now. And of that list I have as
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: at the top of that one, you know, I don't know.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know who wants to come over.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like you and Larry would be crazy. You
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: guys obviously have some DoPT.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: You have two songs that I've sent him beats. He's
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: actually sent me back like is this available? You know
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: what I mean? So you never know, but things like that,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: as a producer, you know very well once somebody says
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: that it's sixty forty maybe anything, you know. So, But
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: I would love to work with Larry, But in all fairness,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: I got put up on Larry around Alchemist's time of
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: that record. So I would need to produce something that
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: I have a full range of their whole.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Career, right like you kind of need to tap in
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: and like.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Something that I well, Like doing Blue was really something.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: That Blue album was something that was high on my list,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: believe it or not. Like I might have answered this,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: He's one of my favorites, but I don't know somebody
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: who would trust me. I've worked with Gunn. I've done
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: two with him already. I would like to work with
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: I would like to work with Earl Sweashert. Who wouldn't
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: want to work with you know? That would be I
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: think he'd come over and I think he.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Would at ryest he came out with al.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, ask Earl if he would use my fork.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: Earl would be done or it would be dope, I
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: would say. On the up and coming side. I think
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: Coyote would be dope. The two brothers Coyote, they got
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: a whole project with statics selected coming.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like Coyote, I'm learning about them through ber Reu,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: two guys I already know.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're super super talented.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: If they want to come over, then we're talking.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: But they'd come over maybe.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: But that's the thing. I really feel like I got
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: to be producing people who I could be there.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: With that is that kind of like for you?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I have the sony with you're saying that the I
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: have that, and I have the Noyman and I have
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: the man leaves and I have the thing, which I mean,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: I want to shape the whole sound. I have my booth,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: I have my mix engineer, I have my master and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: I want to for you.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Is that create a sound like you're not just if
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: you're gonna do that, we gotta be in my Like
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: it's almost like like you're coming over and we're doing
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: this where I.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Could go to their place, right, But I really just
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: don't want to have like a mailing.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: No the email back and forth is I would do
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: it if.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: It was the right artist, of course, course, you know
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, but right now, though the people like
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: that would be the game.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Right was wanted produce Oh for the game game, that'd
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: be dope games. I feel like a lot of people
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: don't give him.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Seen I'll beat me to that. That's not going to happen.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't have a chance, but that would
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: have been a wishless thing. You know, It's just like
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: who you got to find somebody who knows that I've
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: been that I have a flank in forty five that's fire.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: I got to find somebody who knows that, who's like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: all the way in tune. I don't want to solicit, right,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Do you you know what's I was just having this
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: conversation with somebody. I feel like it'd be dope if
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if Fante just doesn't like
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: oh No, we.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Talked, but but if about a forty five we talked
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: about doing one, I would love you and oh no
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: on my label production for him.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: That'd be crazy.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I would be crazy.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Last Little Brother shows are coming up of all time.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: And the joints the Little Brother did a conductor of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: fire Dude.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I would love for Fonte to just put out more
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: music and like the group obviously, but well listen v man,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Uh the project is out, people can go support it.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: It is Uh. These vinyls that you showed off are
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: currently sold out.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: But this is this is a bundle that sold out
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: with all the stuff that came together.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: Oh got it. So the bundle sold out, but there.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Is instrumental album still available, almost done, getting close and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: then black finel all day?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: Did you you know? I was? I want to ask
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: this question because I just was talking. Did you guys
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: ever have any run into MF Doom?
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: I got to so lucky. I got to produce a
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: song for Doom, not with his a cappella flowing on
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: top of it. He wrapped on and beat for side
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: rock dope MC on rhyme stick. Yeah, she's ill and
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: so homosize the producer. He produces all her ship. They
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: let me have one or two joints on the album.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: I was outside producer and I got lucky enough the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Doom got on one of those joints.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Also crazy. How did you end up on the reanimation
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Park project?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: I think that was just a time when Lincoln Park
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: was looking to do a remix album with hip hop beats,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: so AMP Live is on their Alchemist is on there.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: I'm on there. There's a lot of people on there.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of people don't like uh, you know Mike,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: you noticed like a fucking l a backpack baby, and.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: He could rap good. The the I got lucky because
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: I had a song called High Voltage, which was so
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: it was a remix album. So yeah, animation because everyone
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: remixed Lincoln Park song. I got lucky and got a
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: song called High Voltage, which was the only song that
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: wasn't remixed. It was just a song that had.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: Never been heard. Wow.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: They performed live or some ship. And then we got
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Pharaoh Manch on it super Dope, which was one of
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: my other heroes. Pharaoh Manch would be somebody else. I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: think he would come over.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: What was your You guys had so many iconic tours.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Think about the Little Brother Tour, the Kanye Tour, the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: Scratch Tour was sick, the Word of Mouth tour was crazy.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite tour you've ever done as a as
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: you could be as a member of the group, solo artist,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: what's your favorite tour?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the I didn't like touring, Let's start with that.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: So favorite and tour that's like jumbo shrimp. You know
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, wasn't I wanted to be making beats
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: at home producing shit. Once I look back on it, okay,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: was amazing, you know what I mean. So sometimes you're
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: not in the moment, right, you know what I mean?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the first tour dilated in Jurassic five was
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: stupid because we had a shitty tour bus. The three
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: rap groups and DJ's all one on the bus. People
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: like sleeping in any available space like a jail cell,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like ripping the curtains down.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I remember wrapping them.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Up as a blanket. No, like the most wild ship.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I think I played you in Tony Hawk on the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: bus for that tour. He was a child and I
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: beat you. Yeah, sounds about right.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: The theory that was too crazy because I'm just too young,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But later I think there
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: was a European Rhyme Saies tour that was dope, twenty
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: eleven meter in atmosphere and brother, I really enjoyed that.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: That's second, that's a big tour.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: It was dope. Yeah, tour buses and ship Is.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: There anything because I feel like we don't get enough.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: With Rage against the Machine. I got to tour with
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: them on their last tour, Dilated people's Gangstar. Think about that?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: The fuck?
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: What year is that?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Two thousand the Battle of Los Angeles tour?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, I didn't even.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: That's legendary shit, you know.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, Gang Star, Dilated, Rage against the Machine fucking
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: crazy and.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: Raged against the Machine were such gangsters for bringing out.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: Those that's wild. Shout out to zach Man Zach's is
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: a dope dog.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were breaking up right on tour, you know
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: what I mean, we're there, it's shit crazy? What is uh?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I feel like Slug and Uh, I guess just kind
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: of the when I think of maybe underappreciated or under
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: talked about, like guys who've like kind of done legendary
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: shit changed the game. I feel like Slug atmosphere and
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: rhyme Sayers is in that conversation because I do feel
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: like like when you think about like Slug was getting
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: like radio play, like on alternative rock radio and like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: but like making boom back like dusty rap shit, Like, uh,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: what is something that you've kind of learned from being
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: so close to those guys, because I do feel like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: they're underappreciated, under celebrated, and they are. You know, they
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: are fucking goats in their own right, you know.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said before, Dilated was like it just
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I learned everything I didn't learn from Dilated, I learned
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: from them. So the recorded music of rhyme Sayers wasn't
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: part of my upbringing as far as like catalog. I
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: knew Scapegoat, I knew joints, you know what I mean,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: But I wasn't the audio of what they did. I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: was listening to Mob Deep, you know what I mean?
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: For sure they had very much like their own like
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: corner of their Yeah.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: So I wasn't immersed. I was immersed. I knew the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: radiance of the success.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you knew that they were doing well, but.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't know the nuance of it all. And when
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: I got there, it was real jarring to me because
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I always thought, like, before you come out on the show,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: you're backstage with a mic going already already, right, get ready?
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: You know. I didn't, and then the beat drops and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: you walk out and you fucking bouncing and the crowds
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: going crazy. I never knew like the idea of like
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: the mic on the mic stand and walking out slowly
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: on top of a carpet and taking the mic off
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: the stands saying what up to the people, putting the
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: mic away and comfortable for a second, and then dropping
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: some shit right like they they just had a more
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: rock and roll approach to the hip hop. Still pure
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: as fuck. It's still a rapper in a DJ, of course,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: but their approach to it was like, like I said,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: the in ears, no hype man, no one doubling every
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: other word, like no faking an encore, like walking off
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: unnecessarily to make the crowd, so you can walk back
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: on and be the man, right, Like just a lot
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: of dumb shit that was the most important little shit.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Not funny, you know, like like I feel like that,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: Like how you said like you were listening to Mob
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Deep but you knew the scope. It's almost like how
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: I used to be that way with like Strange Music
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: and Tech nine, where I'd be like, yeah, I know,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: like they're selling out every time they come to town.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: But then when I like went to the show and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: got involved in it, and I was like, oh shit, yeah,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: this shit is It's crazy that there's just this other
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: pocket of the game, the hip hop culture that like,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: is it whatever we're fucking into initially?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like Atmosphere is like a perfect
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: example of that. It's like Atmosphere was like you're either
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: it's either for you or it's not. But you can't
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: deny how the impact and the success, you know what
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: So shout out to them.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Shout out to them. So are you officially after this
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: album everything's on your own label?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Well that's the idea. Yeah, move it there. It's a bittersweet,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: you know, because in an industry where everybody hates the
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: label I don't. I love rhyme saies, you know, and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: so they've done a lot of good for me outside
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: of music as well, like just on some human shit.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: So I don't want to end it. I think that
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: it'll be on a one off basis, like hey, not
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: contractually bound, like yo, let's do on that.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: Hey, let's do one.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Let's do one, you know what I mean, or maybe
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: four or whatever, you know what I mean, that kind
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: of thing.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: But you want to be able to be like, hey,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: I want to drop an evidence out um on my ship.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all the card ship.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I respect that one hundred percent. Man. Look, go get
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: the album. The album is incredible. Unlearning Volume two. Proud
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: of you, Bro, Proud of you, man, I.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: Mean you're right that fuck that all see that bullshit.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Come on man, yeah, go get the album, Go get
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: the puzzle.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna smoke weed.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: We're gonna smoke some weed. Evidence So he has a son,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: h