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Ken Rosenthal’s trade deadline updates: Kwan market, Teams STILL on the fence, Suárez prediction · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: In such scoop time.
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  Speaker 2: It's trade deadline week. It's FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal,
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  Speaker 2: who just put out an article on buy sell on
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  Speaker 2: the fence teams. Ken, So I haven't read it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I read all your articles.
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  Speaker 2: Haven't read this one because it just came out fresh
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  Speaker 2: hot off the press. What do you have for us
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  Speaker 2: in there?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's four teams that really are still not entirely
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  Speaker 3: sure of their direction. It's the Rays, the Giants, the Angels,
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  Speaker 3: and the Rangers. The Rangers have the best playoff odds
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  Speaker 3: of that group. But if they lose these next two
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  Speaker 3: to the Angels after losing last night, who knows if
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  Speaker 3: they'll push.
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  Speaker 1: As hard as they might have otherwise. I believe they will.
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  Speaker 3: This could be Bruce Bochie's final year. This is a
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  Speaker 3: very competitive front office, a team that has played much
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  Speaker 3: better in the last six weeks or so, so I
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  Speaker 3: would expect that they still proceed on a by course.
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  Speaker 3: The Rays we saw yesterday, did kind of a buy
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  Speaker 3: sell maneuver with the Catchers bringing in Nick Fordy from
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  Speaker 3: the Marlins and trading Danny Jansen.
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  Speaker 1: To the Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: The Giants, like the Rays, have not played well of
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  Speaker 3: late they're two and ten in their last twelve I
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  Speaker 3: think thirteen and twenty two since the Devor's trade and
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  Speaker 3: the Angels.
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  Speaker 1: You never know what the Angels because you never know
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  Speaker 1: what owner Ardi Moreno might be thinking.
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  Speaker 3: So those are the four teams I focused on, and
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  Speaker 3: it's really interesting to me, guys. It's almost like the
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  Speaker 3: playoffs right now for some of these teams and their positions,
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  Speaker 3: their feelings about what they want to do literally changed
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  Speaker 3: day by day. It sounds crazy, it is a little crazy,
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  Speaker 3: but that's where we are.
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  Speaker 1: Ken.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way that the Rangers don't go in and
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  Speaker 4: buy somebody. Now the other Angels, like you said, is
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  Speaker 4: the wildcard? We don't know, because I just don't think
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  Speaker 4: the Angels. They're four and a half out. They got
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  Speaker 4: like five teams in front of them to get to
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  Speaker 4: the third wildcard. I don't see that one happening. But
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  Speaker 4: the Rangers are right there for a wildcard. They're half
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  Speaker 4: came out. They're gonna push in, and I bet you
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  Speaker 4: the Rangers think that they could probably catch the Astros,
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  Speaker 4: much like the Mariners think the same thing. Now the
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  Speaker 4: other two teams, the Rays always try to buy and
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  Speaker 4: sell and maneuver like whatever, and the Giants we just
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  Speaker 4: don't know because this is Buster Posey's first trade deadline.
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  Speaker 4: So but the one thing I do know, Chris Young
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  Speaker 4: and Bruce Boccie they're gonna make a run out.
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  Speaker 3: No, aj, I agree with you, And there are some
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  Speaker 3: extenuating factors there. The luxury tax threshold might be one,
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  Speaker 3: so that might restrain them some. The other thing is
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  Speaker 3: they played so poorly in the first two months it
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  Speaker 3: kind of haunts them a little bit, and they were
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  Speaker 3: that they're going to regress again. Now I totally agree
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  Speaker 3: with you. This is, as I said, a very competitive group.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, all front offices are competitive, but we're talking
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  Speaker 3: about Bruce Bochie and we're talking about Chris Young. Those
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  Speaker 3: are two of the more competitive people you'll ever meet.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, I expect them to buy. But again, the
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  Speaker 3: point of including them was.
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  Speaker 1: They're kind of in a.
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  Speaker 3: Position still where the next two days could influence them.
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  Speaker 3: If it goes really badly, I don't expect it. I
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  Speaker 3: don't expect them to change. They've got the best era
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  Speaker 3: in the major leagues. My goodness, you can win with that,
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  Speaker 3: but they're still not entirely there. Ken.
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  Speaker 2: I want to get to potentially the best position player
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  Speaker 2: available on the market, and it's not Aohennio Suarez. You
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  Speaker 2: put out an article last night about Stephen Kwan of
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  Speaker 2: the Guardians. Do you think he'll get del and where
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  Speaker 2: could he end up?
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  Speaker 3: Scott, I'm not sure he'll get DELT.
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  Speaker 1: I can't predict that.
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  Speaker 3: And obviously the Guardians are a team that generally set
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  Speaker 3: their prices at a high level and do not waiver
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  Speaker 3: for them and that frustrates other.
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  Speaker 1: Clubs at times, but that's their right to do that.
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  Speaker 3: They're every right to do that, and the way they
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  Speaker 3: see it, because they're operating in such difficult circumstances with
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  Speaker 3: low revenues, they have to be very disciplined about what
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  Speaker 3: they do. Now, Stephen Kuan is a guy that has
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  Speaker 3: two more years of control after this. They don't have
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  Speaker 3: to trade him. They probably lee shouldn't trade him from
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  Speaker 3: a competitive standpoint, But with what has happened losing Luis
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  Speaker 3: Ortiz and now Emmanuel Class to non disciplinary paid leave
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  Speaker 3: because of the gambling investigation, let's face it, their chances
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  Speaker 3: for twenty twenty five are pretty much shot, so they
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  Speaker 3: may be at least more open to the conversation than
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  Speaker 3: they would be with Kwan. And yes, they will entertain offers,
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  Speaker 3: as all teams entertained offers for pretty much all of
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  Speaker 3: their players. As far as we know, there have been
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  Speaker 3: no progress or has been no progress at any extension
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  Speaker 3: talks with Kwan, so this is something they will consider.
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  Speaker 3: I would expect the Padres would be in their deep
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  Speaker 3: on Kwan, the Dodgers, the Blue Jays, pretty much every
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  Speaker 3: team that would want a bat would be in on him.
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  Speaker 3: The question is will the Guardians move when they have
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  Speaker 3: all these other opportunities to trade him in the offseason.
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  Speaker 3: You could even expand the list of teams because it
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't necessarily include only contenders. They don't have to do
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  Speaker 3: this now, but maybe some team will push them to
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  Speaker 3: do it now.
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  Speaker 4: Ken, stay on the Guardians here for a second. How
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  Speaker 4: big of a deal was the Emmanuel Colasse news yesterday
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  Speaker 4: and how much Jim Bogen came on so to change
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  Speaker 4: their whole trade deadline. Is that true that basically they
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  Speaker 4: were gonna move him and now since he's off the
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  Speaker 4: table and he's on the restricted list, to change their
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  Speaker 4: complete deadline plans.
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  Speaker 3: Well, certainly they were talking about moving him and it
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  Speaker 3: was something that again they were going to consider and
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  Speaker 3: they would have to have their price met. Whether it
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  Speaker 3: was a certainty that they were going to move him,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone can say that, But what
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  Speaker 3: it did do, in my opinion, is really end any
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  Speaker 3: chance of them buying, because at this point you're down
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  Speaker 3: two significant pitchers.
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  Speaker 1: They were kind of right in.
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  Speaker 3: That never never land zone where they weren't quite sure
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  Speaker 3: what to do, not playing particularly poorly, not playing particularly well.
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  Speaker 3: But now, come on, they know that they're not going
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  Speaker 3: to be a playoff team. They know that this season
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  Speaker 3: is pretty much shot. So that does change their direction,
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  Speaker 3: no question, because there was still some chance that they
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  Speaker 3: were going to buy, and it seems now that that
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  Speaker 3: chance has been diminished almost to zero.
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  Speaker 5: Trade deadline is compelling theater. Even more compelling is the
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  Speaker 5: Brewers and the Cubs are playing each other going into
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  Speaker 5: this trade deadline. How much are they going to be
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  Speaker 5: battling against each other. It's like David Versuk Goliath large markets,
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  Speaker 5: small market. We don't have any money, We don't spend
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  Speaker 5: any money. How is this battle going to play out
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  Speaker 5: or strategically with the organizations? How do you think they'll
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  Speaker 5: play it out against each other?
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  Speaker 3: Eric, I don't think that they're looking at the same
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  Speaker 3: kinds of players.
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  Speaker 1: That's one thing.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, the Cubs we know are really hungry to
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  Speaker 3: put a finishing cap on what they have on their roster.
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  Speaker 3: They want to top this team off, They want to
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  Speaker 3: get a starting pitcher, help anything they can. Third base
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  Speaker 3: has also been an area where they've looked at. Matt
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  Speaker 3: Shaw has played a little bit better lately.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that you make your decision on that.
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  Speaker 3: So we know the Cubs are hungry to act.
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  Speaker 1: The Brewers are the Brewers.
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  Speaker 3: And I've written about this at length, and they do
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  Speaker 3: things in their own way.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they acquired Danny Jansen yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: They also have shown interest in Ryan O'Hearn and other hitters.
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  Speaker 1: Do I expect them.
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  Speaker 3: To necessarily do something big. I actually would be surprised
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  Speaker 3: if they did something big. It's just not their style.
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  Speaker 1: But this is a team that we've seen. We saw
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  Speaker 1: it again last night.
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  Speaker 3: They compete no matter who they have, no matter how
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  Speaker 3: many pieces you take away. And they've got an extremely
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  Speaker 3: talented pitching staff right now that in some respects might
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  Speaker 3: be reshaped because you could trade a starting pitcher Nestra Cortes,
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  Speaker 3: Jose Cantana to get something else you need. There are
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of things that they can do. They would
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  Speaker 3: like to reinforce their bullpen as well, because as good
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  Speaker 3: as it's been, kind of getting to the point now
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  Speaker 3: where you might be running on fumes.
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  Speaker 4: Wow, all right, I got out speaking of a team
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  Speaker 4: that nobody knows. What are they gonna do?
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  Speaker 5: The Padres?
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  Speaker 6: Why would they sell?
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  Speaker 4: People were like, they're gonna trade Seas and they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: you said, they might trade Suarez.
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  Speaker 6: Why they're in the wildcard. They have a two game
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  Speaker 6: lead in a wildcard. Why would they sell? Why wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: they try? Listen, Preler is the master of trading guys
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  Speaker 6: and getting guys and you know, making moves here and there.
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  Speaker 6: Why would they sell.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand why people are saying, oh, the Padres
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  Speaker 4: are gonna sell all these guys.
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  Speaker 3: Why aj they would only sell if it enabled them
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  Speaker 3: to get other pieces that would help them maybe even
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  Speaker 3: better compete this season. That's the whole point. They're not
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  Speaker 3: pure sellers, and they shouldn't be. As you just mentioned,
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  Speaker 3: they're a really good team. They're in good wildcard position
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  Speaker 3: as you mentioned, and there's no reason for them to sell.
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  Speaker 3: But when you have a farm system that is not
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  Speaker 3: as deep as it once was, at least in the
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  Speaker 3: eyes of many in the industry. When you have payroll
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  Speaker 3: restrictions of some kind, we don't know exactly what they are.
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  Speaker 3: At that point, you have to be creative and that
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  Speaker 3: is why you think about or talk about moving a
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  Speaker 3: Dylan Cease if it can bring you something else of
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  Speaker 3: great value to your team. We know what they need.
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  Speaker 3: They need a left fielder. They'd like to improve their
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  Speaker 3: catching as well, and if you trade Cease, you've got
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  Speaker 3: to backfill.
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  Speaker 1: With another starting pitcher.
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  Speaker 3: So to describe them as pure sellers would be a misconception.
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  Speaker 1: That's not right.
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  Speaker 3: What they are is a team that is looking at
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  Speaker 3: all possibilities trying to improve themselves for twenty six. I
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  Speaker 3: sound like a GM with the GM speak now, but
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  Speaker 3: that's what they're doing.
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  Speaker 5: You should be a GM. Ken you.
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  Speaker 4: You don't wear quarter zips, you wear bow ties, so
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  Speaker 4: right you and I guess mo Alok did that for
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  Speaker 4: a while too.
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  Speaker 1: That sure.
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  Speaker 6: But here's my question. We just we talked about Danny
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  Speaker 6: Jansen getting traded to the Brewers.
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  Speaker 4: Why wouldn't the Padres being on a Danny Jansen That
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  Speaker 4: seems like the perfect fit for the Padres and the
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  Speaker 4: and the Brewers gave up an a one year old
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  Speaker 4: kid in a ball.
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  Speaker 6: He's having a good year.
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  Speaker 4: But you don't think the Patterreys could have thrown in
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  Speaker 4: one of them for Danny Jansen type.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that, and the Padres
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  Speaker 3: have a zillion balls in the air, and I just
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  Speaker 3: can't tell you exactly, but you're right, Danny Jansen would
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  Speaker 3: have been a good fit. What they're looking for out
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  Speaker 3: of that position is more offense, and Danny Jansen would
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  Speaker 3: give you more offense than Elios Ds who did have
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  Speaker 3: the walk off last.
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  Speaker 1: Night, and Martin Maldonado.
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  Speaker 5: All right, back to the Rays. We hit on the
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  Speaker 5: Rays a little bit, but you had mentioned about possibly
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  Speaker 5: if the next few games don't go the Ray's way,
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  Speaker 5: Brandon Lal and a Yandi Diaz? Is there is their
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  Speaker 5: market more of like a well, there's not a lot
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  Speaker 5: position player wise, because you said Steven Kwan might be
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  Speaker 5: interesting but it may not happen. Is that just the
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  Speaker 5: Rays testing the market or is that a at the
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  Speaker 5: point in their contracts or at the point in their
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  Speaker 5: careers it's time to move on from those guys.
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  Speaker 1: Eric, It's not something they want to do. What they
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  Speaker 1: would want.
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  Speaker 3: To do is win the next couple of games and
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  Speaker 3: keep going forward and be the team that they were
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  Speaker 3: for about six weeks there when they were maybe the
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  Speaker 3: best team in baseball.
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  Speaker 1: They have not been that since.
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  Speaker 3: They're kind of like the Giants in that way that
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  Speaker 3: they were in a good spot at one point and
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  Speaker 3: then suddenly they've entered this funk and they haven't really
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  Speaker 3: gotten out.
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  Speaker 1: Of it yet.
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  Speaker 3: So any idea of trading those guys would only stem
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  Speaker 3: from a reality that the playoffs aren't happening and that
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  Speaker 3: maybe that would be best given the state of the market,
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  Speaker 3: if they are pushed hard enough to move those guys
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  Speaker 3: for the returns that they might get. Kind of depends
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  Speaker 3: on the next couple of games in New York. And
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  Speaker 3: actually their game Thursday is an early start, one o'clock
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  Speaker 3: start with the six o'clock deadline, so that game theoretically
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  Speaker 3: could figure into this as well. I don't know what
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  Speaker 3: they're going to do. We saw yesterday again the buy
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  Speaker 3: sell maneuver. That is generally what they like to do,
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  Speaker 3: but they could go in any direction based on kind
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  Speaker 3: of where they are and where.
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  Speaker 1: They feel they are. One thing about the Rays that's.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, they're Rundal and this isn't everything, but it's something
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  Speaker 3: is even better than the team leading the Al East,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the Toronto Blue Jays the Razord plus fifty
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  Speaker 3: six the Jay's word plus thirty five. So the Rays
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  Speaker 3: see themselves as a team that still can be rather competitive,
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  Speaker 3: but just has kind of gone bad at the wrong time.
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  Speaker 2: Ken, I want to ask you quick about the Pirates
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  Speaker 2: holding out for the right prospect package, especially for a
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  Speaker 2: guy who have under multiple years of team control. Makes
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  Speaker 2: total sense, But is there any truth to them still
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  Speaker 2: deciding if they want to trade Mitch Keller in general?
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  Speaker 2: If so, why because it's not like they've been trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out if they're going to be competitive this year.
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  Speaker 2: This is something they should have decided for the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of months.
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  Speaker 1: They have been torn about it.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason they've been torn about it, and even
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  Speaker 3: Bednar to an extent, though I do believe he'll be traded,
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  Speaker 3: is these guys are kind of central to who they.
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  Speaker 1: Are right now. And you might say, well, Ken, they
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  Speaker 1: stink right now.
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  Speaker 3: Very true, but both are perceived as leaders, both are
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  Speaker 3: outstanding performers, and Keller, in the eyes of some, is
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  Speaker 3: only getting better. So you might look at this and say, wait,
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  Speaker 3: we want them to be part of our future and
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  Speaker 3: not guys who were trading off for impact offensive players
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  Speaker 3: if they're even available. The problem with keeping them is
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  Speaker 3: you're not going to spend money. We know they're not
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  Speaker 3: going to spend money because they're the Pittsburgh Pirates.
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  Speaker 1: So if you have.
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  Speaker 3: Any chance to get impact offensive talent back in return
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  Speaker 3: for these guys, Keller in particular, with the years of
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  Speaker 3: control he has, in my mind, you have to do it.
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  Speaker 3: But they know the value of those players to their
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  Speaker 3: own organization. You can envision a world if you were
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  Speaker 3: spending money perhaps where you were building around those guys.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't see that world existing for the Pirates.
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  Speaker 3: It seems to me that they have to move Keller
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  Speaker 3: and Bednar, and I understand where they are, and I
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  Speaker 3: understand the difficulty of bench Sherrington's position. He's under fire,
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  Speaker 3: he has his job in question for next year. But
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  Speaker 3: in this situation, gms generally do what is best for
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  Speaker 3: the organization. What is best for the organization right now
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  Speaker 3: is to trade those guys, both of them, Bednor and Keller,
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  Speaker 3: and get.
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  Speaker 1: As much as you can offensively back.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, last one, it's quick.
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  Speaker 6: It's a one team answer. Where does Gino Suarez go?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well, let's assume he's healthy, because he didn't get
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  Speaker 1: hit in the hand last night. My guess would be Mariners.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, Reunion.
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  Speaker 2: I think they'll pay the highest price for him.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, that's a guess. And again, when we look at
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: all these trades that go down, we pick up our
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: heads on July thirty first, even August first, and.
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  Speaker 1: Look at everything. Think about how many of those deals
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  Speaker 1: we thought.
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  Speaker 3: Were coming, and how many we had no idea about.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Come, Well, we're coming.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: It's going to be very much tilted toward we had
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: no idea.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: We love that.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: We want all of the shocking moves. Ken, thank you,
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. We'll catch us soon, Okay. Thanks guys at
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: the senior insider, Ken Rosenthal fair territories back on Thursday
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: after the trade deadline, so they can do all kinds
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: of recapping. Ken can tell you everything that went down,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: will give you the exact time when we get closer
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: to Thursday,