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The Socialist Squeeze · The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the UU SHAW on this first day of
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  Speaker 1: July twenty twenty six. I know some of you are
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  Speaker 1: on the road for the long weekend already. I got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of show I edited for you, and I
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  Speaker 1: begin with the next governor of my home state. Vivik
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  Speaker 1: Lamaswami is going to be the governor of the Buckeye
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  Speaker 1: State come January. Vivek, good to see you again. Soon
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  Speaker 1: I'll be calling you Governor elect. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the next six months. I can just call you Vivek.
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  Speaker 1: How goes the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: It's going well, Hugh. I'm enjoying traveling all eighty eight
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  Speaker 2: counties of the state.
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  Speaker 3: I've been to all of them, most of them many
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  Speaker 3: times over, and it's been a special year to run
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  Speaker 3: this campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Because we also welcomed our third kid, our daughter, into
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  Speaker 2: the world this year.
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  Speaker 3: She's four months elation, so all kinds of kinds of
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  Speaker 3: life changes.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's been a joy to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I've talked to people who've run in Ohio. I've asked
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  Speaker 1: them all the same question. What's in it for Warren
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  Speaker 1: in Trumbull County? So I'm just going to start right
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  Speaker 1: there for the bank Romaswami, what's in it for Warren
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  Speaker 1: in Trumbull County if you win?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Look, I was actually just there even as recently
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  Speaker 3: as what Saturday before last, And we're going to keep
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  Speaker 3: hitting the Mahoning Valley all the way through the end
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  Speaker 3: of the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: What's in it for Warren, What's in it for Trouble County,
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  Speaker 2: What's in it for the broader Mahoning Valley.
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  Speaker 3: It's for jobs, high paying jobs that I think that
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  Speaker 3: that region has lost out on over the course of
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  Speaker 3: the last fifty years. Anybody who's lived in Ohio knows
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  Speaker 3: about the de industrialization. This is an area where we've
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  Speaker 3: seen significant population decline, as you're well aware of, Hugh,
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  Speaker 3: and we've also seen an unemployment rate that's higher than
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the state in a pretty material way.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to turn that around by bringing positive economic development,
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  Speaker 3: yes to Northeast.
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  Speaker 2: Ohio, but really it's part of a project of bringing
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  Speaker 2: it to all parts of Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: Central Ohio Columbus has seen a boom that's been good,
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  Speaker 3: but I want to bring the boom of Greater Columbus
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  Speaker 3: to every other part of Ohio. Do it on terms
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  Speaker 3: that bring up local communities, and I think the keys
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  Speaker 3: to that what are they? Energy dominance is the backbone
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  Speaker 3: of manufacturing dominance and a skilled workforce is what companies
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  Speaker 3: are looking for when they make decisions of whether or
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  Speaker 3: not they come to Ohio. To make sure that we
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  Speaker 3: have young people, particularly in Trouble County, particularly in war
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  Speaker 3: in Ohio, who have access to trades based education and
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  Speaker 3: so energy dominance, workforce pipeline. Fix those two things, and
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  Speaker 3: we have an opportunity to dare I say, bringing industrial
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  Speaker 3: boom to Northeast Ohio, to the Mahoning Valley that we have.
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  Speaker 2: Not seen in a century.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm confident that's going to start, Dare I say
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty seven, and I want you to hold
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  Speaker 3: me to that when I'm in office this time next year.
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  Speaker 1: Music to my ears. Let's get broader about Ohio. I
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  Speaker 1: always ask governor candidate's doctor what state they're from, Lake Ramaswami,
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  Speaker 1: public safety, taxes, and schools. So let's run the big
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  Speaker 1: three for any governor, public safety, taxes, and schools. What's
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  Speaker 1: on your agenda when you're elected.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start with public safety.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a big opportunity but also a big,
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  Speaker 3: I would say, urgent area of attention for Ohio. We're
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  Speaker 3: a state of great cities. Okay, even peer states versus
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  Speaker 3: Georgia might have a great city like Atlanta, and we've
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  Speaker 3: got Cincinnati, my hometown where I was born and raised,
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  Speaker 3: Columbus where I live today, Cleveland, even Youngstown, Akron, Toledo, Dayton.
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  Speaker 3: Ohio is populated with a bunch of great cities. But
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  Speaker 3: the problem with nearly all of those cities is the
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  Speaker 3: rise of urban crime.
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  Speaker 2: Particularly in the last six to seven years, it's gotten
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  Speaker 2: a lot worse. So what are we going to do?
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  Speaker 2: The number one thing is we have to actually back
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  Speaker 2: the men and women.
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  Speaker 3: In blue to be able to do their job without
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  Speaker 3: fear of being second guest.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big issue, and.
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  Speaker 3: I think that we need leadership that is in place
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  Speaker 3: where law enforcement knows we have their back and then
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  Speaker 3: to go after Where I do think the problem is,
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  Speaker 3: it's not with the police. It is in many cases
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  Speaker 3: in the cities, with activist judges who were sending repeat
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  Speaker 3: violent offenders. I'm not talking about petty, first time.
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  Speaker 2: Non violent offenders.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking about repeat, hardened violent offenders back on the
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  Speaker 3: streets with minimal bailor bond.
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  Speaker 2: You even seen it in my hometown of Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 3: Those criminals let out on bail and bond are actually
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  Speaker 3: committing those same crimes and worse all over again. And
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  Speaker 3: the third piece of public safety is bringing back It's
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  Speaker 3: an uncomfortable subject for some, it should not be.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually common sense to bring.
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  Speaker 3: Back the psychiatric institutions that had been shut down in
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  Speaker 3: Ohio over the last four decades, in many cases on
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  Speaker 3: false narratives and false premises, and in other cases where
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  Speaker 3: we're going to be able to reopen those institutions the
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  Speaker 3: right way to operate differently than they did forty years
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  Speaker 3: ago as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the son of a geoatric.
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  Speaker 3: Psychiatrist who took care of patients of the VA and
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  Speaker 3: in nursing homes in southwest Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: It's what my mom did. I talked to.
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  Speaker 3: County sheriffs across the state and what did they say.
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  Speaker 3: Our top form of psychiatric healthcare in Ohio right now,
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  Speaker 3: sadly is our county jails and that's not sustainable. So
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  Speaker 3: those are three things that don do for public safety.
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  Speaker 3: But happy to go through the rest of the topics
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Here, Taxes and school.
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  Speaker 2: About that one all day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, taxes and school.
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  Speaker 2: So taxes is an important one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, taxes is an important one for Ohio, where on
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  Speaker 3: one hand, I got to recognize that we're doing pretty
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  Speaker 3: well right compared to other states in the region. My
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  Speaker 3: running mate, who's actually the president of the Senate, led
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  Speaker 3: Ohio last year to a single flat tax.
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  Speaker 2: Rate, which has been good for Ohio.
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  Speaker 3: What we've seen is revenue receipts are now tracking over
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  Speaker 3: a billion and a half dollars ahead of what the
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  Speaker 3: legislative projections were, which shows you the benefit of bringing
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  Speaker 3: down the tax rate and delivering economic growth that actually
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  Speaker 3: lifts everyone up. I want to take that to the
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  Speaker 3: next level. The most important leap we can then take now,
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  Speaker 3: Hugh is actually going to a zero state income tax,
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  Speaker 3: and that allows Ohio to compete with states like Florida
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  Speaker 3: and Texas and Tennessee. I mean, if you talked to
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  Speaker 3: most of your old friends back in Ohio, they'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you the same thing. And I'll tell you we all
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  Speaker 3: have neighbors who spend six months in a day in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not for the weather, it's for the.
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  Speaker 3: Taxes, okay, And we're missing out on that economic activity
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  Speaker 3: in Ohio today. But I've got a pragmatic plan to
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  Speaker 3: do it right, and we're not going to do it overnight.
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  Speaker 3: What we're going to do is we're going to stare,
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  Speaker 3: step down. But the first step that I think is
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  Speaker 3: most practical to get there, Hugh, to get the capital
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  Speaker 3: investment that we need, including places like Trombel County, including
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  Speaker 3: places like my hometown of Cincinnati, is to go to
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  Speaker 3: a zero capital gains tax. And the beauty of that
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  Speaker 3: is Ohio right now doesn't even get that much revenue
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  Speaker 3: from taxing capital gains.
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  Speaker 2: It's about three hundred million a year.
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  Speaker 3: But if we do that, we're going to attract capital owners, entrepreneurs, investors,
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  Speaker 3: business people to this state and to stay in this
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  Speaker 3: state rather than to flee Ohio when it comes time
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  Speaker 3: to sell their business or take it public or whatever
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  Speaker 3: Ohio gets to benefit from that boom.
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  Speaker 2: So very practical about that.
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  Speaker 3: And we've paired that with a common sense plan to
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  Speaker 3: roll back the property taxes to.
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  Speaker 2: Where they were before the end of the pandemic.
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  Speaker 3: Property taxes have gotten way too high, insanely high in
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  Speaker 3: this state.
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  Speaker 2: And the root cause an explanation.
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  Speaker 3: I think people may not understand it, but once you
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  Speaker 3: see it, you can't unsee it.
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  Speaker 2: The federal government spent a whole bunch of money.
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  Speaker 3: After the COVID pandemic, and if I'm calling a spade,
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  Speaker 3: Republicans are almost as responsible as Democrats. Democrats arguably are
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  Speaker 3: even more responsible for it. But both parties were complicit.
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  Speaker 3: And when we printed all that money, you're talking about
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  Speaker 3: four trillion dollars in the money printer, four and a
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  Speaker 3: half trillion dollars of new dollars flooding.
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  Speaker 2: The economy in those few years.
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  Speaker 3: It sent all asset prices up, stock prices up, other
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  Speaker 3: securities prices up, land prices up, home prices up in
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  Speaker 3: places like Trumbel County, Okay, where you're from, and you
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  Speaker 3: have roots places like Hamilton County close to where I
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  Speaker 3: grew up, or Butler County where the first house I
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  Speaker 3: grew up in was.
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  Speaker 2: That causes the government to value.
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  Speaker 3: Your home more highly, to say, oh, you're rich now,
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  Speaker 3: but you don't feel rich because your income and your
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  Speaker 3: Social Security payment and your pension payment, those have stayed
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  Speaker 3: flat while your property tax bill went up by a lot,
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  Speaker 3: and so you feel tax poor. That's what's happened in
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  Speaker 3: the last several years due to disastrous pandemic era policies.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't want to just complain about the past.
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  Speaker 3: I want to fix it going forward with a practical
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  Speaker 3: plan to say we're going to go back to not
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  Speaker 3: where we were in ancient history, just a few years ago,
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  Speaker 3: right before the end of the pandemic, and then cap
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  Speaker 3: the property tax increases from there, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Date.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, last question, because we're going to run out of
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  Speaker 1: time on school. Eric, you'll have to come back and
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  Speaker 1: talk about the vouchers. But I want you got Palmer
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  Speaker 1: Lucky in Columbus. Can you get Lebron James track to Cleveland.
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  Speaker 2: I think it'd be fantastic. I think it'd be great
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  Speaker 2: to get it. We'll see he's leaving LA.
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  Speaker 3: I actually used to go to the Games when he
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  Speaker 3: was in the finals, the Golden State Finals, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also the next generation of talent, right we
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  Speaker 3: got we had a pretty good team this year, so
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  Speaker 3: you know, didn't get all the way as we wanted.
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  Speaker 2: We got James Harden mid season. It's been a team
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  Speaker 2: that's been evolving. So I think we're on the We're
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  Speaker 2: still ahead.
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  Speaker 1: Last question, Columbus Dispatch Ran, I think a FED poll
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  Speaker 1: showing Amy acton ahead of the I don't believe that
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  Speaker 1: Ohio's a red state. Is anyone covering the race fairly?
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  Speaker 1: Is anyone doing good polling on it?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I would say, first of all, good polling has
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  Speaker 3: dried up good public polling. The thing I don't mind, Hugh, though,
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  Speaker 3: is I don't mind the Republicans and Conservatives across this
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  Speaker 3: state having an important sense of urgency about this election because.
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  Speaker 2: We all should.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, in the end of the government we elect
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  Speaker 3: as the government that we deserve. And I think there
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  Speaker 3: has never been a bigger contrast between two candidates running
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  Speaker 3: for governor in me. I would be the most conservative,
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  Speaker 3: most pro enterprise, most pro freedom governor.
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  Speaker 2: This state has ever had, and.
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  Speaker 3: I'm running against a woman whose policy agenda suggests she
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  Speaker 3: would be the first socialist governor that Ohio has ever had,
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  Speaker 3: promising medical debt forgiveness effectively an income tax bill doubling
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  Speaker 3: required to cover all that.
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  Speaker 2: Someone who shut down this economy during COVID. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think Ohio is going to go for that.
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  Speaker 3: But it's my job to have people vote for me,
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  Speaker 3: not just against my opponent.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we're going to do with you kid
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  Speaker 1: coming back running every one of those cities you ticked
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  Speaker 1: off them. We're glad you're here of the vegue. Have
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  Speaker 1: a great Fourth of July and we'll touch you on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of our Jurnan and fiftieth birthday. For
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  Speaker 1: they Roam has fought me the next governor. I'm the
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  Speaker 1: best state in the Union. Ohio state tuned in America.
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  Speaker 1: Mary Catherine him is welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett.
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  Speaker 1: Mary Katherine Ham joins me. Now I'm Mary Catherine. You're
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  Speaker 1: following Viak Raamaswami, the next governor from Ohio. So I
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  Speaker 1: hope you know that Ohio will soon be the free
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  Speaker 1: state of Ohio. Up north marrying Florida's march forward and
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  Speaker 1: bypassing North Carolina completely. I know your home states in
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  Speaker 1: the running, but we're going.
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  Speaker 5: To be.
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  Speaker 6: Look, things aren't great for the past couple of governor segments,
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  Speaker 6: so you know it's tough for resonency sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I want to ask you about two things. One,
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court end of term, there were seven controversial
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  Speaker 1: decisions all told. I was happy with all seven of them.
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  Speaker 1: I thought all seven were correctly decided, which puts me
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  Speaker 1: in a category of about one. How did you make
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  Speaker 1: of all seven, which includes the FED and Humphrey's executor
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  Speaker 1: and Birthwright said us all of that, how did you
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  Speaker 1: finish the year?
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  Speaker 6: Most of the ones that I cared a lot about
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  Speaker 6: went the way I wanted, particularly the Title nine. Discussions
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  Speaker 6: have been interesting and helpful to women in sports, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm sure that will lead to more cases in the
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  Speaker 6: future about whether what Title nine exactly means. But I
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  Speaker 6: was glad to see that. I know that this is
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  Speaker 6: outside of our online tribe opinion, but I have no
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  Speaker 6: hot takes on birthright citizenship. I thought it was a
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  Speaker 6: point worth debating. I didn't mind that it went to
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  Speaker 6: the Supreme Court of the United States. But I'm happy
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  Speaker 6: to take their decision on it, even though I do
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  Speaker 6: think birth tourism and such cause problems, and I think
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  Speaker 6: that if there is a legislative fix for something like that,
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  Speaker 6: it should be sought out and people should try real hard.
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  Speaker 2: To fix it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there is, and it's a visa requirement, and there
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  Speaker 1: is a policing mechanism to do it with. And you
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  Speaker 1: just simply say if you're pregnant, you can't come to
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  Speaker 1: the country period. I just can't. And do we want
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  Speaker 1: to do that? That's the legislative solution, but they can
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  Speaker 1: do it. Brett Kavanaugh's decision is pretty interesting once the
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  Speaker 1: statute changed, I don't agree that. I think the Chief
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  Speaker 1: Chester has nailed it. How about any of the other
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  Speaker 1: things sticking your cross, anything bother you at all? About
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  Speaker 1: the Federal Reserve not being an independent agency, but independent
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  Speaker 1: agencies actually getting replaced by Democrat and Republican alike. I
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  Speaker 1: thought they all make common sense.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, nothing has bothered me in a gigantic way. And
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  Speaker 6: like I said, I know other decisions are ticking people
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  Speaker 6: off on both sides, but the ones that they're mad
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  Speaker 6: about I didn't have super strong feelings about to begin with.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't care that political parties can spend as
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  Speaker 1: much as they want on political candidates, because gee, I
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  Speaker 1: thought that was what it was all about. Anyway, It
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  Speaker 1: just took us forty years to get back there.
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  Speaker 7: I know.
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  Speaker 6: This to me is just a return to a common
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  Speaker 6: sense approach. Is like, Look, campaigns cost money. Parties should
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  Speaker 6: be able to spend that money. I'm happy for it
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  Speaker 6: to be about as transparent as it can get. And
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  Speaker 6: when you regulate it, it goes into a gray or
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  Speaker 6: a black market in a way that it's not as transparent.
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  Speaker 8: As you might otherwise want it to be.
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  Speaker 6: And I have no issue with people exercising their speech
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  Speaker 6: in this way.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that brings me to the big issue. What
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  Speaker 1: is happening to the Democrats last night? Denver? That girl
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  Speaker 1: you would call her a young I believe she's twenty nine,
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  Speaker 1: Notre Dame Loscow graduate now getting her PhD at Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: She is, you know? In fact, let me just play
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  Speaker 1: you a price little piece of me. Lot Carroll's cut
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  Speaker 1: number six from her sit down with next host Kyle Clark.
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  Speaker 9: Do you believe that the nine to eleven terrorist attacks
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  Speaker 9: on America? Were the inevitable consequence of American foreign policy.
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  Speaker 5: Inevitable in the sense that we destabilized a lot of
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  Speaker 5: the Middle East that forced people to believe that another
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  Speaker 5: act of violence was the only response. And again, just
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  Speaker 5: like I said before, responsibilities to getting rid of those
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  Speaker 5: conditions that lead to violence in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently she never read The Looming Tower. Mary Catherine hamp
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  Speaker 1: what do you think of her and what's happening to
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  Speaker 1: the Democrats.
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  Speaker 6: I think that a lot of these people, I believe Chevalier,
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  Speaker 6: you know, has been at New York University for years,
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  Speaker 6: and this woman went to Notre Dame, And how are
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  Speaker 6: these people getting out of these schools with this level
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  Speaker 6: of education. I guess I would also say, sometimes it
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  Speaker 6: takes somebody that smart to have that dumb an answer. Look,
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  Speaker 6: I think the fact that she answers so calmly means
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  Speaker 6: that this is very mainstream with her constituents. She doesn't
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  Speaker 6: have any worries about this sinking her. It is a
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  Speaker 6: reversal of victim and offender.
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  Speaker 8: It is victim blaming.
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  Speaker 6: It is saying that the civilians who died in the
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  Speaker 6: thousands in the United States set the conditions for themselves
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  Speaker 6: to be attacked by people who went specifically at civilians.
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  Speaker 6: And she's blurring all these lines on purpose. It is
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  Speaker 6: grad school, coffeehouse immoral nonsense, and it is now ruling.
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  Speaker 8: The Democratic Party.
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  Speaker 6: And I think I wish I could give credit, but
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  Speaker 6: somebody said, look, this is just the movement of the
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  Speaker 6: center of the Democratic Party from unions to academia. And
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: this is the full fruition of it. When you see
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: people who don't understand that socialism it's been tried before
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: and field, or who are actively anti American in their rhetoric,
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: regularly and calmly and happily, this is academia academia.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: And it's also the face of the Democratic Party. It's
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: not just Kami Mandai, all right. It's not just comrade Mayer.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: It's mister Lander, mss Valdez, Michel Vallier. It is Graham
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Platner in Maine, It's Hawami in New Jersey. It's now
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: this lady in Denver. Scott Weiener is insufficiently crazy, though
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: he's crazy because he doesn't call Israel jenacidel. They're going
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: to hold balance of power in the Democratic Party. I'm
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Mary Catherine. If the Democrats get a majority. They're going
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: to be crazier than Marjorie Taylor Green and Mattsgate combined.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: They're going to be that crazy.
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, And Democrats are going to get rolled for
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: sure because Nancy Pelosi got rolled by the squad in
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: twenty nineteen. You think Hawkim Jeffries has an answer for
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: these folks, he absolutely does.
• 17:21
  Speaker 10: Not.
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: Let me in fact check myself real quick. Chevalu went
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: to Columbia University, not New York University.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I want to read to you what Senator
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Cotton posted a little while ago on x. He wrote
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that the Marxist takeover the Democratic Party should be deeply
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: alarming to every American. This is not the same Democratic
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Party of ten or even five years ago. The Demo
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: radicals openly hate America, they hate free enterprise, and they
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: want to destroy our way of life. I think he's
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: understating it because they're also antisemitic, and I think they
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: candone violence against Jews. So can the race be nationalized?
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Can every voter realize it's not your can they versus
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: another candidate in your district? It's ours versus D's right now,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: And that's the way it's got to be sold.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: I think I think you can.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: Try to sell it that way. One of the disadvantages
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: we are at is that explaining to people how extreme
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: these people's beliefs are makes it sound like you are
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: making things up. Now we have going for us that
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: they're happily they're happy to say it on video very boldly.
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: The ones who are smarter don't as much. And Momdani's
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: a little bit better not saying things, but it's saying
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: them in a little bit nicer way, so he seems
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: sort of like soft around the edges. But a lot
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: of these folks will just straight up say it.
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: So it will be on video.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: That video needs to be distributed as much as possible.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: But there will be people who doubt, like, I don't know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: this cute communist just seems like she's doing cute social media.
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: What's the problem. Cute communists doing cute stuff on social
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: media are a threat.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Should the NRCC now it's freight up by this frime court.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Should they run ads in every district that lists the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: ten different crazy radicals and say your congressman is in
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: their party? Did that work? Mark Catherine thirty seconds?
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think they should in specifically the places
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: where these people are running. You do need to and
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: probably should have been in primaries the Democrats that we're
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: trying to run against them. You got to get these
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: videos out to people because they do not know these
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: things before they go. They just think, oh, like, I'm
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: ready for a change, and they don't know that the
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: change means I'd like to seize the means of production,
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: and I think we deserved it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: On nine eleven, well, thank you for joining me, Mark Catherine.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: You have a wonderful two hundred and fiftieth birthday party,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: great fourth of July, and we'll talk in the two
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty first year next week, Mark Catherine, and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: follow on at MKAM or listening to getting Hammered, stay
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: tuned to the gut Huitge. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewett,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: joined by Sarah Bedford. Sarah is, of course, with the
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Washington Examiner Political investigations editor. Sarah, I believe once upon
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: a time you were a steamboat fellow, steamboat institute fellow
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: right out out in the Rockies, the great Rocky person. Yes, So,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: how shocked are you that Mila Kiro's one in Denver
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: last night, because Diane de get is a lefty but
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: not a communist like Kiro's. Are you shocked?
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: You know, it's not that shocking giving the momentum that
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: the socialist candidates have. I mean, like you mentioned, it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: a blue district in a blue state.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: The socialists might not be able to replicate that sort.
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: Of upset in some place like Wisconsin or Pennsylvania. But
• 20:26
  Speaker 10: it's still a really concerning development for the Democratic establishment
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: because they clearly have no idea how to handle this
• 20:33
  Speaker 10: insurgency of socialists. But that's where all the energy is
• 20:36
  Speaker 10: right now in the Democratic Party.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So Sarah, you cover Congress. You know four name jayapaul
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: As a socialist, aoc ilhan Omar Rashieta Talit. Those are
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: probably the foremost radical Democrats on the ticket in November.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Our Hawami from New Jersey, Chris rob from Pennsylvania, Valdez
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Lander and Chevalier from New York City, Heros from Denver,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and Scott Wiener from San Francisco. They're so far to
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the left of old school crazy liberals like Shared Brown
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: who's kind of decrepit, and John Ossoff who doesn't shave yet.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: But I just named eleven radicals. They're going to have
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: control of the House, aren't they.
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: It's going to give Democratic leadership a real run for
• 21:23
  Speaker 10: their money. And it's honestly hard to see how particularly
• 21:27
  Speaker 10: Hickeem Jefferies, is going to navigate that sort of thing
• 21:29
  Speaker 10: when some of them are explicitly running against existing leadership,
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: Democratic leadership in Washington.
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: It's going to be a huge challenge for Schumer as well.
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: I mean, you have Graham Plattner out there saying he's
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: not necessarily going to commit to Schumer, and that's one
• 21:42
  Speaker 10: of the Democrats' best pick up opportunities if they want
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: to send a majority. So it's a huge problem for
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: the Democrats. But I would say that Republicans should take
• 21:50
  Speaker 10: this threat seriously. There's a reason why the socialists are
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: surging in popularity.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: And I think it's going.
• 21:56
  Speaker 10: To be harder than Republicans maybe anticipate right now to
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: attack these guys, because they're not like the easily parodied
• 22:05
  Speaker 10: liberals that were used to seeing over the past ten
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: years on the left, who are talking about, you know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 10: people being non binarian bathrooms and schools. You don't see
• 22:14
  Speaker 10: these socialists talking about the cultural issues that much they're
• 22:17
  Speaker 10: really relentlessly focused on economic messaging. They're not saying crazy
• 22:21
  Speaker 10: stuff about identity politics that immediately alienates people. And I
• 22:26
  Speaker 10: do think that's going to make it harder for the
• 22:27
  Speaker 10: right to attack them, because their messaging is almost purely economic,
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: it's not social.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, I want to submit to you. Exhibit A from
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: melt Keros's interview with Kyle Clark on the podcast Next cut,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: number six.
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: Do you believe that the nine to eleven terrorist attacks
• 22:43
  Speaker 9: on America were the inevitable consequence of American foreign policy?
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: Inevitable in the sense that we destabilize a lot of
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: the Middle East that forced people to believe that another
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: active islence was the only response. And again, just like
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I said before, responsibilities to getting rid of those conditions
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: that lead to violence in the first place.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So, Sarah Bedford, that's not a cultural issue. It's an
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: anti Semitic, anti Israel issue. But that's really what the
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: DSA's rocket fuel is. I think, feel free to disagree.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: They talk about tax the rich, but they really just
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: love to hate Israel.
• 23:23
  Speaker 10: Right, And I mean that's the new cause celeb on
• 23:26
  Speaker 10: the left. At one point it was climate change, then
• 23:28
  Speaker 10: maybe it was transgender activism.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: Now it's anti Israel.
• 23:32
  Speaker 10: It's hard to see that kind of issue being salient
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: to people in swing districts or in a presidential electorate,
• 23:39
  Speaker 10: which tends to be different from a midterm electorate. But
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: if you also listen to the other things that Kiros
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: talked about, I mean, she was pretty relentlessly on message
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: about we got to get corporate money out of politics.
• 23:48
  Speaker 10: No corporate pack money. I'm not going to support any
• 23:50
  Speaker 10: member of Democratic congressional leadership who takes corporate pack money.
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: And so in that sense, they stand out to me
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: as being somewhat different from the liberals of peak woke
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: circa twenty twenty, because even though obviously they do share
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: a lot of those super lefty views on the social issues,
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: it's not central to what they're selling to voters right now,
• 24:11
  Speaker 10: and they're probably going to trojan horse those far left
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: views into Congress. But their platform is mostly economic. It's
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: very radical and different from what this country was built on.
• 24:22
  Speaker 10: But messaging wise, I think that's why they're able to
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: persuade so many voters right now.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: So I think most of the audience will, at least
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: those who are online. Well, I've seen Scott Wiener being
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: chased by the anti Semitic crazies in San Francis, gone
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: his way to a trans rally. And I just wonder
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: can the Republicans successfully nationalize jayapaul aoc ilan, Omar Tali Hawami, Valdez,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: land Or Chevalier, Kiros, Weiener, Chris Ron they and then
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: you add in Platner, who's a self described communist, l
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Sayed and Flanning, and can they make that the issue
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Who's going to run the country? These crazy people are
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: mainstream Republicans? Can they do that?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: You would hope?
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: I mean, that is the path to defeating these type
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: of people rights, exposing how radical their views are and
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: how they're really incompatible with the things that swing voters
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: are consistently telling polsters they want.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: To see from leaders.
• 25:21
  Speaker 10: But you can always trust Republicans to fumble a perfect
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: message on opportunity, So I would he be surprised if
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: that doesn't happen before November. But the opportunity is there
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: to sort of paint these people as the mascots of
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: the whole Democratic Party.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Now, yesterday the Supreme Court ruled that parties can now
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: spend in a coordinated fashion with their candidate. Finally we're
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: back to the First Amendment. Do you think the NRCC
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and the NRSC are ready and willing and able to
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: paint the entire Democratic Party with the kiros mom Donnie Brush,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: because I think they should.
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: I think that's certainly what they're preparing to do.
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: I mean, you've seen efforts since mom Downy won last
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: year to sort of make him the new face of
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: the Democratic Party. You can expect that would continue. And
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: the Republican Party was really expecting that the decision to
• 26:12
  Speaker 10: come down from the Supreme Court the way that it did.
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: They had been weren't.
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: Talking to us for months about how when this decision
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: comes down, it's really going to open the floodgates.
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: It's going to be great for us.
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: And so you saw a lot of celebrating but not
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: a lot of surprise when that got handed down. So
• 26:27
  Speaker 10: you would think that the NSC and the RNC and
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: all of those party committees would be prepared, But Republicans
• 26:35
  Speaker 10: have had a lot of challenges getting on the same
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: page over the past few years, so you could see
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: them not capitalizing on this opportunity as well.
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Sure, everyone who's listening to me, either give directly to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: a candidate you support in a shame state, or give
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to the party NRC, sc nrcc RNC. Don't figure it
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: away on the fake packs. They just shouldn't get your money.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Sarah C. Bedford doesn't want your money, she wants your
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: eyeballs over at Sara C. Bedford on accidentt The Washington Examiner.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I'm here, Hewett welcomed our two of the program. I'm
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: joined by John pod Hortz, Old friend of the program,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: editor in chief of commentary magazine The Daily, maestro of
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the Fabulous Commentary Podcast. John, let me begin by thanking
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: you for your your monologues on the Supreme Court's decision
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: on birthright citizenship directly over the target one hundred percent right.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: People can go listen to them if they want to
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: hear them. Very eloquent, I got a question for you,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: if as is expected, mister Hawami, Miss Valdez, mister Lander,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Mischel Vellier, ms Kiros, mister Wiener, and mister Rabb join
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: congress people Jaia, paul aoc ilan Omer, talib Andaiah Presley,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and Marshall Martin frost In, Maxwell FoST in Texas. What's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: the Democrat Caucus going to look like next year at
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: this time.
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: Well, first of all, that so that would make up
• 28:01
  Speaker 12: close to ten percent of the Democratic caucus, right, so
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: it will be at least two hundred and fifteen people.
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: That's close to twenty people. So ten percent isn't a
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: huge number. Obviously, the question is whether they have the
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: energy and the enthusiasm necessary to rally others behind their cause.
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: And the open question is assuming let's say that Democrats
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: take the House in November, two questions are posed.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: One is how big is the margin.
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: If the margin were the margin of twenty eighteen when
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: Democrats won forty seats and ended up with like a
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: twenty five seat majority, then they are just part of
• 28:45
  Speaker 12: the overall majority, and Hakeem Jeffreys, the now the minority
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: leader then will be the Speaker of the House, will
• 28:53
  Speaker 12: will have a conventional time as the speaker.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: If, however, it's more like it was.
• 29:00
  Speaker 12: After twenty twenty two for the Republicans when Kevin McCarthy
• 29:05
  Speaker 12: had a five seat majority and people decided.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: On the right to challenge him, and.
• 29:13
  Speaker 12: He spent fifteen he spent two weeks, and there were
• 29:17
  Speaker 12: fifteen votes fifteen different times that the Republican caucus had
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: to vote until they would finally agree to make McCarthy speaker,
• 29:28
  Speaker 12: and McCarthy's McCarthy agreed to a rule that eventually had
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: him ousted as speaker. I don't know, six months later
• 29:37
  Speaker 12: or something like that. Hacking Jeffreys could have a very
• 29:40
  Speaker 12: rough time. And already Mana Kiros in Colorado has said
• 29:46
  Speaker 12: she wants to oust him as speaker.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Not sure why she needs to oust him as speaker,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: but there we are. They are on the march. They
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: also need would need a candidate to be the speaker.
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: But if they want to flex muscles, if they want
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: to say get in line behind us, or we will
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: come for your jugulars, that will be very effective.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Right now, the makeup of the House is two hundred
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: and nineteen Republicans, two hundred and thirteen Democrats, three vacancies.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Let's say we got about a six vote margin for
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: the Republicans. Even in a great year. Because of redistricting,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Democrats aren't expected to pick up more than ten to
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: twelve seats even in a great year, even in a
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: blue Waveyer, it would really take like you mentioned that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: ridiculous here, but that's not what it's looking like with redistricting.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: So the question is, will the Democrats have a bigger
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: problem with this radical rump than Kevin McCarthy had with
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the knucklehead cocus led by Marjorie Taylor Green and Matt
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Gates and Ralph Norman and Bob Good all the knuckleheads.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Who's got the bigger knucklehead problem? They're radicals or the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Republican sort of reactionaries.
• 30:58
  Speaker 12: I think that the Democrats will not have a problem.
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: Let me put it this way. Hakim Jeffries has never
• 31:07
  Speaker 12: been speaker. Right, he was the whip, then Nancy Pelosi
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: retired as Republicans were in power, so he's never been
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: the speaker. We don't know if he'd be a good
• 31:18
  Speaker 12: speaker or a bad speaker. Nobody knows if he would
• 31:21
  Speaker 12: be a good speaker a bad speaker. He's an attractive person,
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: you know, gets along to go along with people. But
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: his effectiveness is a very open question. So if you
• 31:32
  Speaker 12: have a bunch of people saying, look, we have no
• 31:34
  Speaker 12: idea whether or not this is something he can handle,
• 31:37
  Speaker 12: then there are two things need to happen. One, they
• 31:40
  Speaker 12: got to have somebody else. Somebody else has to get
• 31:43
  Speaker 12: a majority of the caucus to vote for him over
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: Hakem Jeffries and Hakim Jeffries. They can knock Hukking Jeffries off,
• 31:54
  Speaker 12: or they can prevent him from being speaker. In the
• 31:57
  Speaker 12: scenario that you lay out right away, right if they
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: only have a ten c margin, they're fifteen or sixteen
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: of them, he's he won't win on the first ballot.
• 32:08
  Speaker 12: Then they got to find somebody to be speaker. And
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: here's the thing that our listeners here may not know.
• 32:15
  Speaker 12: That is a really, really hard job. It's an incredibly
• 32:18
  Speaker 12: complicated job.
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: It involves scheduling votes, It involves counting procedural minutes, It
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: involves filling committees and refilling committees and shuffling things around.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: It is a very confused.
• 32:36
  Speaker 12: You can't just pick somebody from out of the crowd,
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: like in an Athenian election, and say, okay, you get
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: to be speaker. It's like you need to be able
• 32:46
  Speaker 12: to at least we'll have to be a master of
• 32:48
  Speaker 12: a spreadsheet or something like that. So I think, but
• 32:52
  Speaker 12: I think that they will have an easy argument to make,
• 32:55
  Speaker 12: which is we don't know anything about whether Akim Jeffries
• 32:58
  Speaker 12: will be a good speaker, and we want somebody who
• 33:00
  Speaker 12: will fight more, who's a fighter, is more of a fighter,
• 33:03
  Speaker 12: and he's a fighter, and that's not Jeffries is.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: A calm presence. He is a balanced presence.
• 33:10
  Speaker 12: And you know he is not going to stand there
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: and say we will burn the White House to the
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: ground if necessary.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: So John, I don't worry for the Democrats. My worry
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: for the Democrat is they're going to go over the left.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: You add in Platner, Lsied and Flanagan and Minnesota, and
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: suddenly you have an anti Western, anti American, anti Israel,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: anti Semitic leadership, new wave and the Democrats go over
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the left side of the cliff. And I don't think
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I saw Adam Swift Smith was on Stuart Varney before
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: me at this point talking about how he resented this.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: And they can't stop it. Their party has been lost
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: to the left. These people are crazy radicals.
• 33:53
  Speaker 12: They are and that's what is happening in American politics today.
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: And there is no sense crying over it.
• 34:01
  Speaker 12: The question is how we're going to live with it,
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: or deal with it, or work with it, or oppose
• 34:06
  Speaker 12: it and defeat it. If the Democratic Party has come
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: out of the Trump and Biden years and a radicalized
• 34:13
  Speaker 12: position in which they are in which their vanguard is
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: making as litmus test issues things like whether or not
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: you consider a war in Gaza that killed forty thousand
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: people a genocide when the population of Gaza is now
• 34:32
  Speaker 12: larger than it was in twenty twenty three. If their
• 34:37
  Speaker 12: litmus test is making people say that, then the party
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: is going to be somewhat ineffectual, it seems to me
• 34:44
  Speaker 12: because these people are interested in things that voters aren't
• 34:48
  Speaker 12: interested in, and they won't care about how to pass
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: a budget, how to get through an appropriations bill, anything
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: like that, and that's what makes the House run now
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: Republicans have it's been terrible, like the last seven eight
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: years been terrible, like the you know, Mike Johnson's like
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: herding cats. Bills are put on the floor and withdrawn.
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: Trump is incredibly inconstant, says you'll support them something, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 12: then he won't. And they're going to have Trump to
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: contend with. And they need skilled people and if they
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: if they want to look incredibly incompetent, they can, but
• 35:25
  Speaker 12: I think their argument will be they're not incompetent. They
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: are trying to save the country from fascists. And monsters
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: and evildoers, and they are trying to bring a more
• 35:38
  Speaker 12: just and more you know, equitable society, and that's their aim,
• 35:44
  Speaker 12: and that's their goal and get along to go along.
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: Democrats impede that goal and are essentially collaborators with the Republicans.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: And okay, you are argument have a lot of purchase.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: You are old enough to remember nineteen ninety four, and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: they're going to go into the break. So stick with
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: me when you hear the music and answer it in
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: two parts afterwards. You know, new Gamebridge nationalized an election
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: against Bill Clinton on a positive program for America, Contract
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: with America. Can the Republicans mount a negative campaign to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: nationalize this election the way Newton positively nationalize the election
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: in ninety four to keep the radicals out? You think
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that's possible, John Pottnortz.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: A little bit. I don't know if it's possible in
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: the House.
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: I think it is possible in the Senate, which I
• 36:32
  Speaker 12: can explain in greater detail because the Senate, which of
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: course has to be senators, are voted on by the
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: entirety of a state's population. So the three that you mentioned,
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: l Si, ed Platner, Flattagan, have to win statewide, and
• 36:49
  Speaker 12: they are really really radical. They don't have like eighty
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: percent Democratic support like in these districts that the DSA
• 36:57
  Speaker 12: candidates are winning in. And I think the idea of
• 37:00
  Speaker 12: saying this party has gone insane. Look at what these
• 37:03
  Speaker 12: people are saying, Platner, l Si, Ed Flanagan. Look at
• 37:07
  Speaker 12: all the things they're saying. You can't trust them. If
• 37:10
  Speaker 12: you vote any one Democrat in Democrats might have the
• 37:14
  Speaker 12: possibility of taking over the Senate and this country is
• 37:17
  Speaker 12: going to go over a cliff. The Democrats successfully prosecuted
• 37:21
  Speaker 12: that game in twenty ten against the Republican senatorial nominees
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: and held onto the Senate that way.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Stand by John, I'm going to ask you a question
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: in the break, which we'll put on the podcast, but
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: I want to follow up on Mike johnson challenge, don't
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: go anywhere America. I'll be right back on the ugi
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: A check. I'm back with John pod Ortz for three minutes. John,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you're a White House speech writer, you run one of
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the most influential magazines in America. It's a fabulous podcast.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: What would be the message you would suggest to Mike
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Johnson that every candidate but the Supreme Court made it
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: possible for parties to spend big yesterday in coordination with candidate,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: so Mike Johnson can actually control the money. What should
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the message be?
• 38:00
  Speaker 12: Message has to be that the Democrats, the Democratic Party has
• 38:03
  Speaker 12: gone insane. Democratic Party has gone insane. It's vanguard. They
• 38:07
  Speaker 12: are social they are communists, they are anti American. They
• 38:12
  Speaker 12: believe this line that defund the prison, defund the police
• 38:18
  Speaker 12: is over is not true because you have this vanguard
• 38:21
  Speaker 12: that supports defunding the police. You have quotes from all
• 38:26
  Speaker 12: of these politicians supporting radical defunding the police, the closing
• 38:30
  Speaker 12: of prisons, things like that, and the national message would
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: be not a positive one about the Republicans. I don't
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: think there is a positive message about two Republicans unfortunately,
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: but would be you know what, whatever we are, we're
• 38:44
  Speaker 12: not communists who want to close prisons and defund the
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: police and kill ice and immigration enforcement, and you better
• 38:54
  Speaker 12: watch out because they're coming.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: For all of us.
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: That's the message, and that's the national message in the
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: Senate races as well.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: I don't know if the race these races.
• 39:05
  Speaker 12: Can be nationalized that way, but if you can, that
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: would be the message.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I agree one percent. And I hope Mike Johnson, Speaker Johnson,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and Tom Emmer and Steve Scalise and everybody over at
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the NRC and RNC and the NRSC and the White
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: House are listening. Jaypot, have a great fourth of July.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I'll be listening with great eduitucation. Do your commentary tomorrow.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. Don't go anywhere America. Welcome back in America.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I'm here to do it. Whenever Jacobin Magazine and Elsa
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Ed the Senate radical running for United States Senate and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Michigan both target the same thing, and then that thing
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: shows up in the hill yesterday, I get interested. David
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Merron is the President and CEO of the Pharmaceutical Care
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Management Association PCMA, and he joins US now because he's
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the target. Hello, David, Welcome to the UU Show. Why
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: do the Jacobins want to put the target on your back?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: What are they mad at you for? I think we
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: were absent from the conversation for too long.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Hu.
• 40:11
  Speaker 13: I think that's the fundamental answer to the question.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: But we're not going to let that happen anymore.
• 40:15
  Speaker 13: Look, we you know, if you're not part of a solution,
• 40:19
  Speaker 13: you're part of the problem. I think we allowed others
• 40:22
  Speaker 13: to distort and define our industry for way too long,
• 40:25
  Speaker 13: So we were simultaneously taking a lot of time to
• 40:28
  Speaker 13: explain our value and what PBMs do. Most people don't
• 40:31
  Speaker 13: know despite the fact that we we serve two hundred
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: and eighty nine million patients around the country, but more importantly,
• 40:38
  Speaker 13: you know, helping policymakers Republican and Democrat, federal, state, local,
• 40:42
  Speaker 13: think through the solutions that they need. Because wherever I go,
• 40:47
  Speaker 13: whoever I talk to, healthcare affordability is top of mind, David.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: PBMs have been sponsors of variety of programs on this
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: show over the decade. But you're not You're not a spawn.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Sure you're here talking about what PBMs do and what
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: they're going to have done to them if they don't
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: get in the game, because I think you're kind of
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: always in the target circle. Right it has been since
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Obamacare you've been in the target circle.
• 41:15
  Speaker 13: Sure, yeah, No, I think I think that's that's a
• 41:17
  Speaker 13: fair assessment. I think a couple of things. One is,
• 41:19
  Speaker 13: this is not the PBM industry of two, three, four
• 41:23
  Speaker 13: years ago, right, you know, we have a lot of
• 41:26
  Speaker 13: self initiated reforms, improvement changes that have come through our companies,
• 41:31
  Speaker 13: but also importantly significant reform legislation at the Congress passed
• 41:36
  Speaker 13: back in January, which brings unprecedented levels of transparency to
• 41:40
  Speaker 13: our companies, which delinks compensation from list price, which requires
• 41:46
  Speaker 13: rebates to be fully passed through to the to the employer,
• 41:49
  Speaker 13: to the plan sponsor, to the union. So I think
• 41:52
  Speaker 13: the questions that existed around our industry have been answered,
• 41:55
  Speaker 13: and now it's time to find out why drug prices
• 41:57
  Speaker 13: remain too high for too long for too many.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I've always been eager to blame big pharma for that,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: and I've been blaming big pharma since they sold out
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: at Obamacare many many years ago. Fifteen years ago, they
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: sold out to Obamacare. Why did p pharmacy benefit managers
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: just for the benefit of people out there? It's CBS
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: and other people like that, your average big chain drug
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: story a at PBM. Why did they take the hit
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: that big Pharma had earned for themselves? In Hugh Hewitt's view, yeah,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: our view is the same, Hue. I think they were
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: really clever.
• 42:30
  Speaker 13: It was a masterclass in political persuasion and political spending.
• 42:34
  Speaker 13: They literally spent hundreds of millions of dollars to distract
• 42:38
  Speaker 13: policymaker attention away from themselves and toward the PBM industry.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: We're going to try to change that. And the meetings
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that I've had are encouraging me.
• 42:47
  Speaker 13: I mean, I think if you want to know why
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: drug prices remain too high, all you have to do
• 42:52
  Speaker 13: is look at the vastly anti competitive practices at big
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: pharma that maintain monopoly pricing for far too long for
• 43:02
  Speaker 13: too many.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And it's all about the patent system.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Hugh and I.
• 43:08
  Speaker 13: You know, let's pay for delay, uh, product topping, evergreening.
• 43:13
  Speaker 13: It's all, it's all, it all, it's it all needs
• 43:15
  Speaker 13: to be addressed, and some significant light needs to be
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: shined on it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: David, I go up to the hill quite a lot
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: to see a member of the leadership, always on the
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: JP side. I know some Democrats. I get along with
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a few Democrats, but I'm usually up there to see Republicans.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I've never not entered one of the office buildings that
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: there wasn't a big farmer rep at the same clearance
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: place and we chat. You know, it might be insurance
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: as well. Farma or insurance. They're always there. I never
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: met anyone from PBMs up there. Uh is that changing?
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Are you guys getting into the game in a way
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: that you haven't before? You are?
• 43:47
  Speaker 13: We need to show up in a much more profound
• 43:49
  Speaker 13: way than we have before you And and I'm glad
• 43:52
  Speaker 13: you recognized that. Look, I think I think we've had
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: really smart people in our in our association that have
• 43:57
  Speaker 13: been doing really good work for too for a long time.
• 44:00
  Speaker 13: Forceful enough, persistent enough in explaining our value and being
• 44:03
  Speaker 13: part of the conversation.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: So that's what we're going to change. We are changing.
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: We're going to be always on.
• 44:08
  Speaker 13: We've launched a seven figure ad campaign to make sure
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: that we're reaching the people that we need to reach.
• 44:14
  Speaker 13: But yeah, we've we've been outperformed, and I intend on
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: changing that.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: And the last question, there's always Back in the days
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: when I represented home builders and landowners, we always needed
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: a champion, someone who would, for example, advocate for changing
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: the environment the endangered species. Who is the champion of
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the PBMs in either the House or the Senate. Does
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: anybody speak up for you at all on either side
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: of the aisle.
• 44:38
  Speaker 13: I think I think we're building that, Hugh, And I'm
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: encouraged by the conversations that I'm having. I don't want
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: to name names, but I think an important part of
• 44:44
  Speaker 13: that is us building partnerships with other with other stakeholders
• 44:48
  Speaker 13: in this conversation. Right, So, whether it's patients or pharmacists
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: or employers, we need to do a better job explaining
• 44:56
  Speaker 13: the interests that we have in common with them.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: We lost them there. You're back, David. I don't know
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: what happened there with our glitch.
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: Sorry about that.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: I'll get your back, so continue. What I really want
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: to know is the states are not going to come
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: after you with an AX. Now that they know that
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: you've been sort of targeted by the left. State attorney
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: generals are going to start coming after PBM. What are
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: you gonna do about that?
• 45:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna tell our story in a
• 45:22
  Speaker 13: much better way and explain.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: The value that we have and why.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Like the one of the concerns they have here is.
• 45:27
  Speaker 13: This notion of vertical integration, which which really is is
• 45:31
  Speaker 13: U is a misnomer. So integration, in my mind, is
• 45:35
  Speaker 13: part of of healthy capitalism, a full functioning free market system.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 45:41
  Speaker 13: Innovation can you know? Innovation flows from integration sometimes and
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: our industry benefits is centered on employer choice. So some
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: people prefer an integrated model, they find efficiencies there. Some
• 45:54
  Speaker 13: employers prefer a disaggregated model.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: They they they.
• 45:58
  Speaker 13: Prefer more of an ala card approach. What's important is
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: preserving that choice. And that's the argument that we need
• 46:03
  Speaker 13: to take to the States.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the last question is for for as long
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: as I've been on the air twenty six years, people
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: have been talking about drug prices. I remember when George W.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Bush was debating this back when he ran in two
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: thousand against Al Gore, and it never gets solved. Why
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: is that?
• 46:21
  Speaker 13: I think there are a lot of powerful interests.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of.
• 46:24
  Speaker 13: Opacity to the chain that's some in some cases intentional,
• 46:28
  Speaker 13: which is why I think that the transparency that applies
• 46:30
  Speaker 13: now to the PBM ministry should apply across the chain view.
• 46:34
  Speaker 13: It's really important for people to understand how these sausage,
• 46:37
  Speaker 13: this sausage is made.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: And so when we come to big pharma, I want
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: to end on big pharma what needs to happen there,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: because you know, my brother worked for him for forty
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: years for a big, big farmer company. He talks colleges
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: I know how long it takes to get a drug
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: to market. I know about their costs, but really they
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: run rampant in the United States. When do they come
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: to heal? It should be now.
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: I mean, look, in nineteen eighty four, Congress pasted a
• 47:03
  Speaker 13: really elegant, sophisticated bill called Hatch Waxman Hugh, I know
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: you know of it, which was supposed to balance rewarding
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: innovation with competition. It's way out of whack now, and
• 47:14
  Speaker 13: no one, no one denies that the innovation.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Component is super important.
• 47:18
  Speaker 13: It is, but at some point in time, after X
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: number of years of exclusivity, we have to allow generic
• 47:25
  Speaker 13: competition to enter the market so that patients have access
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: to these medicines.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And that is the bottom line. I hope that's the
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: message of your campaign. David, comeback. It's good to meet
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the guy on top of the battleship going into the battle.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I appreciate your taking time with us. David Marrin from
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: PCMA Pharmaceutical Care Manager PCMA Pharmaceutical Care Management Association one
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: of those four letter words in DC that means a lot.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned, America. I'll be right back on the new Views.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, former Senator and
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: former Congressman. Jim Tellon joins me. He joined the House
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety two, the Senate a few years after that,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and I want to put to him, very bluntly, the
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: same question I put to John Podhort, Senator. If congress
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: people jayapaul aoc Elean, Omar, Tleeb, Presley, and Frost are
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: joined by radical radicals Hawami, Valdez, Lander Chevalier, Kiros Wiener,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and Chris rabbin Pennsylvania, that's thirteen radicals. And in the
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Senate Plattner, l Saed and Flatting, and they're radicals. Shart
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Brown's a very left wing guy. John Astop is a
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: very left wing guy. But these are radicals. What happens
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: to running the House and the Senate if the slate
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: comes in.
• 48:44
  Speaker 14: Well, I would be surprised that in the Senate there
• 48:48
  Speaker 14: could well be a push to change the leader, but
• 48:52
  Speaker 14: I would be surprised if they end up, you know,
• 48:56
  Speaker 14: preventing the Senate from organizing. However, you are correct, I
• 48:59
  Speaker 14: think in that circumstance in the House, the Democratic leadership
• 49:04
  Speaker 14: has got to ask what happens on opening day. Can
• 49:08
  Speaker 14: they organize the House, that's the official term for it.
• 49:11
  Speaker 14: They got to elect a speaker and then they got
• 49:13
  Speaker 14: to adopt rules, and they're not going to get to
• 49:17
  Speaker 14: two thirty five, probably won't get to two thirty. So
• 49:21
  Speaker 14: if they're at some place around two twenty five, it
• 49:24
  Speaker 14: means they can only lose seven and they're going to
• 49:28
  Speaker 14: have difficulty. You Now, one of the differences between this
• 49:31
  Speaker 14: and the Republican situation when Kevin McCarthy wanted to be
• 49:36
  Speaker 14: the speaker was that the problem then was a handful
• 49:40
  Speaker 14: of people who were pretty much classic loaners, and as
• 49:44
  Speaker 14: they were lone wolf types, they each had their own agenda.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: These people, these people are.
• 49:50
  Speaker 14: All part of a movement and including a party, I
• 49:53
  Speaker 14: mean the DSc right, so I mean the Democratic Socialist Yeah,
• 49:59
  Speaker 14: the DSA, And maybe that was a Freudian slip, but
• 50:04
  Speaker 14: so part of it is what does the party want
• 50:06
  Speaker 14: them to do? What about the powerful very left wing
• 50:09
  Speaker 14: democrat infrast groups like the NEA and the SEIU, and
• 50:14
  Speaker 14: what about people like mom Donnie. My guess is that
• 50:18
  Speaker 14: King Jefferies is trying to figure out how he can
• 50:21
  Speaker 14: get back on the mayor's good side. Because I would
• 50:24
  Speaker 14: think he would have something to say about this.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Do you think that Mike Johnson, John Thune, Speaker and
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: leader of the Republican in the House and Senate, the NRCC,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: the Congressional Campaign Committee, and the NRSC can organize a
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: national campaign and nationalize the election of the fall around
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the fact that the Democrats are to quote John bod Ort,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: they've gone insane. Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 14: I don't think there's any question that they can.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 50:51
  Speaker 14: I heard you talk with John pod Orts about the
• 50:54
  Speaker 14: contract with America that took a long runway, which they
• 50:58
  Speaker 14: don't necessarily have here. But I think what they can
• 51:01
  Speaker 14: definitely do and are probably already doing, is they're going
• 51:04
  Speaker 14: to prepare messaging based on the statements of these people,
• 51:09
  Speaker 14: and they're going to be pulling in particular districts and
• 51:12
  Speaker 14: they're going to see what kind of messaging is effective
• 51:15
  Speaker 14: and if it is effective, not only can they do it,
• 51:17
  Speaker 14: I think we will see it. You know, we've talked
• 51:20
  Speaker 14: before you about it's a target rich environment because the
• 51:24
  Speaker 14: Democrats really, beginning in the fall of last year, just
• 51:28
  Speaker 14: decided to go all in on a lot of pretty
• 51:31
  Speaker 14: radical things and say a lot of radical things, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 14: to include people like Chris Murphy and Newsome, and so
• 51:37
  Speaker 14: there's a lot of video out there and I'd be
• 51:39
  Speaker 14: shocked if we don't see that, as well as commercials
• 51:44
  Speaker 14: about Platner and some of the other more high profile radicals.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Now I didn't even include Rokana in this list because
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I think he's a smart guy who pretends to be
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: a socialist. He not really a socialist. These people are
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: all in I'm not sure they're smart people. They may
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: be very highly educated, but I don't In fact, I
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've heard the quote yet. I want
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: to play for you melt Kiros on the next podcast
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: with Kyle Clark, cut number six. Do you believe that.
• 52:13
  Speaker 9: The nine to eleven terrorist attacks on America were the
• 52:16
  Speaker 9: inevitable consequence of American foreign policy?
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  Speaker 5: Inevitable in the sense that we destabilized a lot of
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: the Middle East that forced people to believe that another
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: active islence was the only response. And again, just like
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: I said before, our responsibilities to getting rid of those conditions.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Jim Tallent, do you think she knows that Saddam Hussein
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: invaded Kuwait and that we went at the invitation of
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: our Arab friends to throw him out and that Osama
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: bin Laden became Osama bin Laden because we're in Saudi Arabia,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: distinct she knows any of this.
• 52:55
  Speaker 14: No, I would be very very surprised if she knows
• 52:59
  Speaker 14: the history of Osama bin Laden's attitude towards the United States, which,
• 53:03
  Speaker 14: as you know, was formed. It was formed out of
• 53:06
  Speaker 14: the Muslim Brotherhood and out of experiences that they had
• 53:10
  Speaker 14: in the forties and fifties, I mean, before any of
• 53:12
  Speaker 14: this started. No, they don't. But that's the kind of
• 53:15
  Speaker 14: video that I think we're going to see. And again,
• 53:19
  Speaker 14: one of the things we're going to see is that
• 53:22
  Speaker 14: they're part of a party, and you know, left wing
• 53:25
  Speaker 14: parties typically are very disciplined. So what is the attitude
• 53:28
  Speaker 14: the party's going to take towards all this. I think
• 53:31
  Speaker 14: it's likely that at the minimum, assuming they make the
• 53:35
  Speaker 14: difference in terms of numbers, that Jefferies may have to
• 53:38
  Speaker 14: make concessions on the rules. He may have to make
• 53:40
  Speaker 14: concessions on chairmanships. I noticed Adam Smith has been talking.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: About this well.
• 53:45
  Speaker 14: Adam is the ranking member and should be the chairman
• 53:49
  Speaker 14: of the Armed Services Committee, and I would expect that
• 53:52
  Speaker 14: if they want.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: To Democrats win committee the Democrats win.
• 53:55
  Speaker 14: Yeah, if the Democrats win, and I would expect that
• 53:58
  Speaker 14: these radicals are going to target Committe. He's the Armed
• 54:00
  Speaker 14: Services Committee might be one they want to target. And
• 54:04
  Speaker 14: perhaps mister Smith, who I like a lot, by the way,
• 54:08
  Speaker 14: maybe he's thinking about that and making these statements.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Last question, Jim, tell it. I kind of despair that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I even have to ask this. I think America fundamentally
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: supports the state of Israel and is non anti Semitic.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I think the DSA is anti Israel and is anti Semitic.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Is that where we've come to pass? Yeah, Hugh, I've been.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Very just.
• 54:32
  Speaker 14: I'm seldom shocked these days, you but I have been
• 54:34
  Speaker 14: shocked at the flowering of anti Semitism in the last
• 54:37
  Speaker 14: couple of years. It says things about our society that
• 54:41
  Speaker 14: I don't want to say.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 54:42
  Speaker 14: I'm convinced the vast majority of Americans will.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Find that toxic.
• 54:48
  Speaker 14: And if it rises to a level where they notice it,
• 54:51
  Speaker 14: and you know, most people don't follow this politics, the
• 54:54
  Speaker 14: politics that closely, Thank heavens, most of them have lives.
• 54:57
  Speaker 14: But if it rises to the level where it is
• 55:00
  Speaker 14: associated with the political party, I think the American people
• 55:03
  Speaker 14: will reject it. I think the Democrats have to be
• 55:06
  Speaker 14: thinking or worried about that.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 55:08
  Speaker 14: We have some on our side, but I think it's
• 55:11
  Speaker 14: been pretty effectively criticized and dismissed by other leaders on
• 55:16
  Speaker 14: our side. So I think we are managing it, but
• 55:19
  Speaker 14: they're not managing it. You and I think it will
• 55:22
  Speaker 14: be very bad politically, and it's not good for the
• 55:24
  Speaker 14: country at all.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: It's terrible for the terrible for the world, especially for
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the West. And we'll keep talking about it, Jim Talent.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: In the meantime, have a wonderful fourth of July. I
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: don't want to just begin to you, my friend, I
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: will have a great one. Stay tuned, America. I'll be
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: right back coming up David Albright next hour, one of
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: the country's leading authorities on nuclear weapons and Iran. Stay tuned,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Race America. As promised. I'm joined now by David Albright,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: nuclear physicist. He is also the founder and president of
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: the Institute for Science and International Security. Is the Good isis,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: as people in the media like to call it, is
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: it's current president and the author of nine books on
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: non proliferation and nuclear weapons. He's the go to guy
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: for people of left and right, who really want to
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: find out just what the facts are. David al right,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: welcome to the Huuit Show. We are very grateful for
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: you to spend some time with us today.
• 56:15
  Speaker 11: No, thank you for the invitation, going to be here.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I would like to start with some basics. How
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: would you describe the state of the Iranian nuclear weapons
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: program when President Trump returned to office in January of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Where was Tehran? Then?
• 56:36
  Speaker 11: Well, it was getting more dangerous. I mean, Iran was
• 56:40
  Speaker 11: in a way what we would call breaking out in
• 56:42
  Speaker 11: slow motion in the sense of starting to accumulate inventories
• 56:47
  Speaker 11: of enriched uranium that they could be turned into weapon
• 56:51
  Speaker 11: grade uranium. It was kind of focusing on that aspect
• 56:56
  Speaker 11: of uranium and Richard rather than enriching uranium for civil purpose.
• 57:00
  Speaker 11: And so it was twenty twenty one. It was still
• 57:03
  Speaker 11: a ways away, but it was moving in the wrong direction.
• 57:08
  Speaker 11: And it was also evidence was out there that Iran
• 57:13
  Speaker 11: was still trying to shorten timelines to build a nuclear
• 57:18
  Speaker 11: weapon itself. Israel Head had killed the head of the
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: nuclear weapons program in twenty twenty. They were kind of
• 57:27
  Speaker 11: reeling from that in twenty twenty one, but they were
• 57:29
  Speaker 11: still kind of committed to maintaining the ability to make
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: nuclear weapons, which for them often means just being able
• 57:37
  Speaker 11: to make it quicker and quicker. I mean, they didn't
• 57:41
  Speaker 11: see any decision to make it, but an ongoing commitment
• 57:44
  Speaker 11: to do it if so ordered by the leadership. So
• 57:48
  Speaker 11: it was a program where they.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Didn't.
• 57:51
  Speaker 11: It got a lot worse, but still the indicators were
• 57:54
  Speaker 11: there that this is not going well, and the International
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: Tomic Energy Agency inspectors were starting to sell on the
• 58:00
  Speaker 11: alarm that Iran's just not cooperating, and they were boring
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: in on the whole question of you know, is there
• 58:07
  Speaker 11: on declared activities going on in Iran that Iran shouldn't
• 58:11
  Speaker 11: be undertaking and that effort was early, but they had
• 58:14
  Speaker 11: cummitted evidence that that indeed was the case, and Iran
• 58:18
  Speaker 11: was refusing to cooperate. Another bad sign.
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  Speaker 1: So David, all right, for the Steelers fans out there,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I wanted to break down what a nuclear weapons program
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: consists of, and I've always understood it to have at
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: least three components. One you've got to have enriched uranium
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: or plutonium. You've got to have two a warhead or
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: a delivery a warhead or some kind of a device,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: and three a delivery mechanism for that device. Three parts,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: three legs to the stool. Is that a fair description.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a very good description. And Iran had all three.
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: I mean we know that from an archive that was
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: perloined by Israel in twenty eighteen that described the early
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: two thousands crash nuclear weapons program where you could see
• 59:06
  Speaker 11: all three of those. They were building a secret enrichment
• 59:09
  Speaker 11: plant to make weapon grade uranium that eventually became known
• 59:13
  Speaker 11: as ford Ol when it was discovered they were working
• 59:16
  Speaker 11: on the nuclear weapon itself with very elaborate set of facilities,
• 59:20
  Speaker 11: many facilities aimed at testing the components for an implosion weapon,
• 59:24
  Speaker 11: a weapon that where the core is compressed, the weapon
• 59:28
  Speaker 11: grade uranium is compressed by high explosives, and it's very
• 59:31
  Speaker 11: tricky to do that, and they were working very intensely
• 59:34
  Speaker 11: on that, and everything was being designed so that the
• 59:37
  Speaker 11: endpoint of this program would be a warhead that would
• 59:40
  Speaker 11: fit on the shah Heb three missile. And there's pictures
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: of the warhead inside or the schematics of the war
• 59:45
  Speaker 11: had inside the Shahib three re entry vehicle. So it
• 59:49
  Speaker 11: was a complete package and the idea was to build
• 59:52
  Speaker 11: a missile deliverable nuclear weapon, and that essentially that program
• 59:57
  Speaker 11: was stopped, and under pressure the Iranian leadership stopped it
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: is an active program to build nuclear weapons and moved
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: it into a program that we believe was to kind
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 11: of get prepared. One of the big bottlenecks back then
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: is they couldn't make in rich geranium, and so it
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 11: took years for them to overcome that bottleneck, and that's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: sort of one of the things that reached the peak crisis.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 11: Starting in about twenty twenty one, they've learned how to
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 11: make enriched geranium and we're starting the process of moving
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 11: toward weapon grade uranium.
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  Speaker 1: So next question is what was the impact of twenty
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: twenty five twelve day war which culminates with the United
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: States Operation Midnight Hammer one day with the B twos,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: but Israel had twelve days beforehand. What was the impact
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: on that three leggedge stool of that campaign last year.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 11: Well, one of the things Iron had not been doing
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 11: a whole lot of work on the warhead to fit
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 11: on a blisting missile. Israel I learned from then picked
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: up the idea the program to start thinking about how
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: to fit the warhend On a blistic missile, so that
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 11: part of the program had really not taken off again
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 11: since the early two thousands, and so there wasn't much
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 11: to destroy there on enrichment. I mean, the US centrally
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 11: com Mine with Israel destroyed the Iranian centrifuge program. Some
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 11: over twenty thousand centrifuges were destroyed or put out of operation.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 11: It had three different facilities, maybe even a fourth one
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 11: that was just beginning to be constructed, and the means
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 11: to create the gas that is fed into the centrifuge
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 11: it was destroyed. Facilities to make centrifuges were destroyed, Facilities
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 11: even to research and developed centrifuges were destroyed. So you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: had a very intensive campaign by the United States and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 11: Israel to knock out that capability. They also Israel and particul.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: It was targeting sites known by them to be associated
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 11: with making the nuclear weapon itself, and they hit several
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 11: sites that were associated with nuclear weapons production itself. And
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 11: they also well we use the word innovative, I mean
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: in a way it's horrific. But they also decided to
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 11: go after know how and they killed about a dozen
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 11: top ranked nuclear engineers and scientists, and we all know
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 11: you can't destroy knowledge, but you can destroy nohow, And
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 11: that's experience. That's the kind of the things you gain
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: through experience to be able to do something, and you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: don't learn it in a book. You learn it by
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 11: doin and gathering together years of experience, and it's hard
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 11: to pass on. So they targeted that, and so we
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 11: think of my institute, that war set back the program
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 11: quite a bit.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: So on the eve of Operation Epic Theory, which i'll
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: call the Forty Days War of twenty twenty six, what
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: was the state of the Iranian nuclear weapons program then?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 11: Well, there had been some disturbing news that again we
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 11: learned this after the war started from the Israelis that
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 11: they were around was taking some steps to reconstitute part
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 11: of their nuclear weaponization development and production capabilities. It opened
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 11: up a new facility north of Tehran, and Israel bomb
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 11: that pretty heavily, and it had some underground components and
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 11: above ground components that were attacked and so, and it
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 11: was difficult to learn why they attacked that. But the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 11: Blue Moment actually through its own sources, learned that the
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 11: facility was engaged in what they were told was metallization,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 11: which is which is really the You would interpret that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 11: as the part of the making the bomb that involves
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 11: the weapon grade uranium core. You have to turn it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 11: into a metal, you have to shape it, mold it.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 11: You need a very sophisticated furnace to melt the uranium,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 11: the weapon grade uranium metal, and then you pour it
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 11: into a mold and finish it. And so it was
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 11: a disturbing part of the program which it aims at
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 11: some kind of production capability to make a nuclear weapon,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 11: and so Israel hit that, and so there was a
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 11: sense that on the weaponization they were trying to make
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 11: it somewhat of a comeback. And in other sites they
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 11: had been doing recovery, which you would expect after facilities
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: were bombed, and then Israel bomb several more that they
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 11: linked to nuclear weaponization, so that part of the destruction
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 11: of the program continued. So there was a sense of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 11: something's been reconstituted, and Israel took that out and then
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 11: continued with trying to identify other sites and then destroy those.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: So two minutes for our first break, David Albright, what
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: degree of knowledge do you think the United States and
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Israel had of this program based upon the targeteering that
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: went on and what we've learned since Operation Epic. Theory
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: was it thoroughly penetrated one hundred percent, fifty percent. How
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: would you guess?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 11: Well, I think it's hard to give a percentage, but
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 11: it was. It was very intensely penetrated. I mean several
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 11: of these sites we didn't know about until Israel released
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 11: information that they'd hit a site. Sometimes we'd find a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 11: site that had been bombed. We used satellite imagery extensively
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 11: to look for destroyed sites or tech sites, and we'd
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 11: find sites and we could talk to them and get
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: an indication that was another nuclear weaponization site they hadn't
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: revealed publicly, and so but our sense was a deeply
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 11: penetrated that program. And and in fact, one way to
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 11: think about it is they killed several of these scientists
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: in bed at night. It's a brutal strategy because you're
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 11: killing the family member too. But they knew enough which
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: apartment window to hit, and so they knew they knew
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 11: quite a bit. Now I don't believe they know everything,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 11: and that's part of the of the what makes the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 11: current situation problematic.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I'm coming right back with I'm coming right back with
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: David Albright. Don't go anywhere, America. We got lots more
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: question for one of the leading experts. Equal if anyone
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: you're going to hear in the media talking in an
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: unclassified setting about what happened and what might still happen.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Stay tuned to the uqu At Show. Welcome back, America.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: David Albright is still with me, and we'll be for
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: one more segment after this. So, David Albright, how would
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: you describe the ability of Iran to make a nuclear
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: weapon today? After forty days of Warren twenty twenty six,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: couple more strikes a month ago, twenty twenty five, and
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: everything that we know in the sabotage Israel did over
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: the year, where are they right now in terms of
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: getting to a nuclear weapon that they could actually deploy
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: against anybody.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 11: I think our assessment again at the Institute, is that
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 11: the program is in kind of a hibernation, that there's
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 11: so much was destroyed. We also think that it would
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 11: take them a long time to build a nuclear weapon.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 11: I mean, they may be able to make the weapon
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 11: grade uranium quicker than to actually make the nuclear weapon itself.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 11: In comparison. Before the war, we saw that within a
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 11: few months they could not only make the weapon grade uranium,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 11: but make a nuclear weapon, perhaps not deliverable by missile yet,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 11: but nonetheless usable. And certainly they could do that within
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 11: six months and also have several that they could put
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 11: together in that kind of time frame. Now we see
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 11: that it's going to take him at least a year
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: to get one. Before the June war June twenty twenty
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 11: five war, we thought they could do it, build the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 11: bomb with certainty. We think it's not going to be
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: so certain that they'll finish and it'll work, And so
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 11: I think they're inhibited, the leadership's inhibited from even trying.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: So I think we've actually these wars really set back
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 11: the program and took us from a place where at
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 11: any moment Iran could have decided to build the bomb
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 11: and it maybe Israel would have detected it, maybe not.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 11: They were nervous. What they expressed to us that you know,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 11: we know the program is to prepare shortened timelines, do
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 11: things quicker. So why they made sixty percent enrich geranium.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 11: It's just a hair's breath away from weapon grade uranium.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 11: They could have just left it at twenty percent, but
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 11: they kept moving up the ladder, and so they were
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 11: doing the same on weaponization, and so at what point
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 11: are they shortening timelines or what are they just making
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 11: the bomb? And so there was this tremendous uncertainty and
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 11: tremendous nervousness that they were just too close. Now I
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 11: think people they're much further away. There's so if they
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 11: do go to try to make the bomb, it will
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 11: be detected at.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: The institute, at the Institute for Science International Security, do
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: you also worry about dirty bombs and whatever is left
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: of their highly enriched uranium? Can that be constituted into
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: a dirty bomb that can be delivered by any mechanism.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't kill people like a nuclear weapon would or
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: destroy a country, but it certainly would do a lot
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: of DAMA. Is that on the radar of the Institute?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 11: Well, I think the weapon grade there's sixty percent or
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 11: any of the rich raum is too valuable to the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 11: Iranians to use that way. I mean there's other kinds
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 11: of radioactive sources that could be used cobal sixty or
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 11: even caesium one thirty seven. I mean that it could
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 11: cause a lot more panic and actually more damage than
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 11: dispersing uranium would do, which is really not that radiotoxic,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 11: and so so I think, but what we so certainly
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 11: we keep that in mind. But one of things, the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 11: kind of the horrific things we got drawn into at
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 11: a request of a country, was Iran working with things
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 11: like fenotol to be delivered by drones, and so the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 11: Iranians were working on ways to disperse it effectively deliver
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 11: it by drone into some kind of crowded area and
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 11: it's not going to kill a lot of people, but
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 11: fenotol is extremely poisonous as yeah, and it could build
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 11: you and cause immense tear and if used against Israel,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 11: I mean, who knows how Israel would reacts, So it
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 11: would be a very dangerous development if Iran actually did that.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 11: And one of the sites attacked was Israel said was
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 11: related to some kind of chemical weapons production, and they
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 11: also hit a pharmaceceutical building that was I think involved
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 11: in making fenotol.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, so is peck Axe Mountain on your radar, David Albright?
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  Speaker 1: Do you worry about that? Definitely? What's the worry there?
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  Speaker 1: And do we know anything about it yet?
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  Speaker 11: Well, it was a facility that Iran has said for years,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 11: it's been under construction for years, that it's going to
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 11: hold a facility to assemble thousands of centrifugees a year
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 11: now and it's kind of a mood point now, but
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 11: that was its intention. So it's always been nuclear related.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 11: It's large enough and it could hold a small centrifuge
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  Speaker 11: plan in addition to centrifuge assembly. So and it is
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 11: very deeply varied, more deeply buried than ford Ow and
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 11: we have really worried why hasn't it been attacked? I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 11: think an answer we got recently was that not enough
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 11: was happening there to warrant an attack. Now, an attack
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 11: may only be able to take out the tunnel entrances,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 11: not the underground structure. But nonetheless, it's a facility that
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 11: isn't believed to be active yet, still shows signs of
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 11: being under construction. But in the longer term it could
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 11: be where they put a covert centrifuge plant that is
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 11: going to be very hard to take out and save
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 11: weaponization nuclear weaponization production activities could take place in that plan.
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  Speaker 11: And so it is it's a problem that needs to
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 11: be solved in some way. Also Iran fuels it needs protection.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 11: They put up some barriers, dirt barriers, blocking a good
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  Speaker 11: part of one of the entrances, so they're they're protecting
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 11: something in there and in fear of US probably ground
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 11: troops or Israeli ground troops coming in.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So a last question for this segment, take
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: your time. We had like two or three minutes. Is
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: a black market bomb available, whether from North Korea or
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Pakistan or anywhere? Can Iran just acquire one? So a
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: ready made to go if they were in full savage
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: mode mutual assured destruction be damn mode? Can they yet one?
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  Speaker 11: It's very difficult, but a lot of it like for example,
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 11: I don't think I can get it from Russia or China.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 11: I don't think Pakistan would share. But the big question
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 11: is would North Korea and if things get worse and worse,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, you can't discount that possibility completely and you
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 11: do have to worry about it, which is also arguments
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 11: that need to focus more on North Korea and make
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 11: sure things don't get out of control there. And one
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 11: of the issues in US negotiations with North Korea has
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 11: always been since the your nineteen nineties commit to not
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 11: sharing plutonium, which or weapon grade uranium or nuclear weapons,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 11: and so that's always on the agenda when the United
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 11: States engages with North Korea. But we know North Korea
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 11: is renegade country and Irana is a regime, is a
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 11: renegade regime, and so you have to worry about the
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 11: to linking up. I believe they're already linking up. And
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 11: North Korea provided a lot of missile assistants. I'm sure
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 11: they're maybe exchanging some kind of nuclear weapons data, but
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 11: the actual weapon itself we haven't seen. But that has
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 11: to be on the everyone's horizon.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: And were you surprised, David alright by how far one
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: of their missiles got towards Diego Garcia? We have a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: minute to the break. Did that surprise you? Now?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 11: Iran has really committed a lot to being able to
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 11: deliver we its missiles.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 11: You can also extend the range by lowering the amount
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: of payload, so I think it. But Iran has committed
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 11: heavily and Israel targeting in the United States, targeting and
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 11: the missile production has been extremely important, and I think
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 11: under reported too. I mean, of course, the missiles themselves
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 11: are the critical thing, and that you're going to fear
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 11: an attack, but you also more importantly want to take
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 11: out the abilities around to make missiles, and that was
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 11: effectively done.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: I will be right back with one more segment with
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: David Albright asking him I think probably the most important
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: question is what did these attacks do and incentivize on
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the part of Iran and their behavior. Are they going
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: to try and double down to go to the North
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: Korean way or is there a way disarmed. I'll be
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: right back with David Albright's didgit I'm back on the
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  Speaker 1: You Give A show with David Albright, President of the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Institute for Science and International Security. David, now that Iran's
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: been clobbered not once or twice or three times, but repeatedly.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: If you go back ten years, what do you think
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: the regime that's left thinks about their nuclear weapons program?
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: Are they going to follow North Korea's example and try
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: and go rogue or Olibya's example and try and survive
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: by disarming. How do you think?
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  Speaker 11: Well, I think you have to think that the current
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 11: regime leaders want nuclear weapons more and even some of
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 11: the elite are starting to talk about the need to
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 11: get them. But these Wars made it very hard for
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 11: them to do that. And one of the things the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 11: war has proved is that the most dangerous point in
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 11: any nuclear weapons development program is that is the period
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 11: between one game deciding to do it and getting and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 11: and this war even showed that if you get too close,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 11: even though you haven't decided to build them, you could
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 11: also suffer horrendous damage. So I think Iran has been
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 11: dealt a very severe lesson that they may want it,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 11: but having is a very tricky thing. And so I
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 11: think and that is even more true with the damage
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 11: of the war causing the program to take or would
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 11: need to take a lot more time to finish, and
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 11: it'll take them a while to rebuild a capability to
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 11: be able to finish in a very short period of time.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 11: And so I do think that one of the outstanding
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 11: issues is that, I mean, this is a problem where
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 11: Iron can start to rebuild and so and then they
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 11: can try to shorten timelines again. And so there's a
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 11: tremendous responsibility put on the negotiators to come up with
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 11: a way to try to lock in the games. And
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 11: that's not certain at all right now, and it looks
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 11: pretty grim in fact whether the nuclear program will be
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 11: sufficiently controlled the negotiations, and controlled would mean getting rid
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 11: of the sixty percent enrich geranium. Whether it's blended down,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 11: we would argue to natural or removed. Removed is a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 11: better option, but something has to be done. And then
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 11: you have to work on the twenty percent enrich geranium
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 11: stock which is which is fortunately smaller relatively speaking, but
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 11: you still want to get rid of that, and then
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 11: you want to work on the other enriched geranium, and
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 11: then you want the International Tomic Energy Agency in there.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 11: I mean, in the end, this is a question is
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 11: Iran's program peaceful? The IA has been saying for two decades,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 11: we can't tell you it's a peaceful nuclear program, and
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 11: that was true during this nuclear deal, and so the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 11: negotiators need to make that a kind of a first
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 11: demand Iran prove your program is peaceful. And Iran is
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 11: resisting that resisting right now.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: What would be the marker of a successful inspections Regiame
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: David Albright If IAEA was given a piece of paper
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: and they said we want these things, what would they
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: demand to know that in fact Iran was not trying
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: to break out again? Well, one is.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 11: And this is based on the experience with South Africa,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 11: Iraq in the nineties, Libya. What the inspectors would benefit
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 11: from and see as significant as Iron says, Yeah, we
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 11: had a nuclear weapons program, definitely, Yeah, you had us
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 11: cold you know, and we've given it up. And you
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 11: can come and visit where we did these things and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 11: assure yourself that they've stopped. And that's what South Africa
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 11: did and they were able to prove it in five
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 11: months that the program had truly been dismantled. So I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 11: think that's really what you're looking for. I mean, we
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 11: know they have a nuclear weapons program. They need to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 11: admit it and then give it up, and then that
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 11: would be true success and then the questions of enrichment
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 11: and you know, additional inspections can be settled much more quickly.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 11: If we know Iran has given up its ambitions or
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 11: given up its ability or commitment to build nuclear weapons.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Well, we have to be inside a Pickax mount Last
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: question for me, David, and thank you for the time today.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: I greatly appreciate very clear, very just saying do we
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: need IAEA inspectors inside of Pickaxe Mountain for you to
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: rest easy or at least easier.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 11: Yes, definitely, No, no, no, they need to be able
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 11: to go to many places. I mean think and all
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 11: these tach places attacked that we're associated, according to Israel,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 11: with nuclear weaponization, those places need to be visited, and
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 11: so it'd be better to do it after Irun admits
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 11: it had a nuclear weapons program and it is stopping
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 11: that program, so I think it. But if they don't,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 11: then the IA needs to demand to go and needs
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 11: support of the United States and Israel and other countries
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 11: to get there, and then it becomes more muscular and
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 11: more like enforcing a cease fire deal rather than a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 11: non perforation agreement like the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Well, David Albright, you've been very, very helpful. I hope
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: you will come back, and I hope that the work
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: of the Institute for Science and International Security continues unabated
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: and grows. David Albright, I pledge to actually touch it
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  Speaker 1: not the Republican red, but the red bread is rising
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  Speaker 1: melot Kiros is way out there. What is going on
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, so there was this peace in Axios about twenty
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  Speaker 15: four hours ago. Now, young reporter attacking the GOP for
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  Speaker 15: revivifying the red scare.
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  Speaker 4: This is a long.
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  Speaker 15: Series in reports that I've taken to calling Republicans notice things.
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  Speaker 15: This is a a fixation of the media in the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 15: Beltway acknowledging the reality that is all around us. It's
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 15: a species of the Republican pounds thing. Yes, melot Kiros
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 15: twenty nine year old occasional lawyer, sometimes barista, always socialist radical.
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  Speaker 8: And I suppose there's more to know about her.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 15: Campaign than the fact that she couldn't attribute the firebombing
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 15: of pro Israel protesters to anti Semitism and said that
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 15: America sort of kind of deserved nine to eleven just
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 15: based on the logic that Osama bin Laden appealed to.
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  Speaker 15: And so as far as America had troops in Saudi
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  Speaker 15: Arabia by invitation after rejecting Saddam Hussein from Kuwait, therefore
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 15: what other choice did the terrorists have but to knock
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 15: down the terror of towers and attack the Pentagon. I
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 15: suppose there's more to know about her than that, but
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 15: I don't need to hear it.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I'll tell you what I know. Noahs candidate,
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  Speaker 1: she's more dangerous than the other ones. By that, I
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  Speaker 1: mean she's a Notre Dame lawyer. She got a job
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  Speaker 1: at Sideley Austin, which is a very fine firm, one
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  Speaker 1: of the top one hundred firms in the United States,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: some would say top twenty five. And so she did
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  Speaker 1: well at Notre Dame. I don't know how well but
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: she did well. Then she got she left. Some people
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: say online that she got bounced because she was anti Semitic,
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  Speaker 1: anti Israel. Other people said she was too pro Palestinian.
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  Speaker 1: So she's not Valdez or Chevalier incoherent. She's actually got
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  Speaker 1: eleven quote that we basically deserved it because we had
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  Speaker 1: destabilized the Middle eight Where does anyone come up with
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  Speaker 1: that stuff?
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, so I hear what you're saying. She's a more
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  Speaker 15: capable and competent expostulator of anti American narratives, and that
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  Speaker 15: makes her more dangerous. I concur with that. But she
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  Speaker 15: doesn't seem materially different from me from Dac Chevalier, who
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 15: founded a group that said we need to eradicate America
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  Speaker 15: and bring violence to American streets quote unquote.
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  Speaker 8: She seems very similar.
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  Speaker 15: To me to Clare Valdez, who said that we need
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  Speaker 15: to dismantle the US empire and the lies that it
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  Speaker 15: promulgates human rights, democracy and freedom. She sounds pretty similar
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 15: to me as Chris Robb, this Philadelphia candidate who said
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 15: that Zionists executed the massacre of Jews and Bandai Beach
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  Speaker 15: in Australia. She sounds a lot like Adam Hamawe, who
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 15: defended his associations with the architect of the nineteen ninety
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 15: three World Trade Center bombing. They all seem pretty similar
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 15: to me. And I don't need to know anything more
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 15: about you and the degree to which you're willing to
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 15: advance anti American narratives, anti Semitic narratives in order to
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 15: promote your political project, which I guess is socialism but
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 15: sounds a lot more like Stalinism.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 8: And I need that very literally.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I was on with Stuart Varney this morning. I tried
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: to make the point I don't know how to make
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: this succinctly. I hope you with the editors work on it.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: They are going to hold the balance of power if
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: the Democrats win back the House. By they, I mean
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: the AOC led squad four to five members. Now they're
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: going to get reinforcements of at least five you just
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: name them, maybe six or seven. I think Scott Wiener
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: will be shamed into being as radical as anybody in
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. So that means that the Democrats will be
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: run by the most radical fringe in congressional history. Fair statement.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 15: That is such a fair point and an insightful point.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 15: It was essentially the strategy that Republican Tea Party insurgents
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 15: executed when they began filtering into Congress at the beginning
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 15: of the last decade. A small fringe, marginal, but nevertheless
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 15: very powerful, especially when you have narrow majorities. And by
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 15: all accounts, Democrats are going to have a narrow majority
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 15: if they win the House at all, They're going to
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 15: win the House by a handful of seats, probably fewer
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 15: than ten. So yeah, if that is the margin, and
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 15: the DSA can count on a caucus of at least ten,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 15: let's say, or maybe more, depending on how many one
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 15: to associate with them, then yeah, they can muck up legislation,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 15: they can.
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  Speaker 8: Get their priorities across. They will have.
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  Speaker 15: The whippand and there doesn't seem to be any resistance
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  Speaker 15: to this in the Democratic caucus. I've seen some notable few,
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  Speaker 15: an intrepid few, who deserve all the praise and encouragement
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  Speaker 15: in the world, saying that we're not socialists, we're democrats.
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  Speaker 8: We believe in the capitalist enterprise. That's very valuable. But
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  Speaker 8: I don't see that from leadership.
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  Speaker 15: What I see from leadership is capitulation, spinelessness, a willingness
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  Speaker 15: to whitewash what these people say they believe because they
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  Speaker 15: don't want anybody to actually know what these people believe.
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  Speaker 15: It is that radical. I just see acquiescence among these
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  Speaker 15: democratic establishmentarians to what.
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  Speaker 1: I've love to be. I've only seen Adam Smith, who
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  Speaker 1: is the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee,
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  Speaker 1: has pushed back. I've seen him pushback. That's one. Not again, Jeffries,
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  Speaker 1: nobody else one senior Democrat has pushed back. That's not enough.
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  Speaker 1: Now the key question, last one do you know two
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  Speaker 1: or three minute? Can the Republicans nationalize the elections in
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  Speaker 1: November successfully because they're in Esselce running Marjorie Taylor Greens
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  Speaker 1: to the left on Moss and they will wreck the
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  Speaker 1: House of Representatives if they get controlled the majority.
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  Speaker 15: I was sitting in a car with the Jing Garrity
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  Speaker 15: on our way from a hotel in Los Angeles to
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 15: lax yesterday morning. And going over this with him what
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  Speaker 15: the prospects are for nationalizing the race around fringe candidates,
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  Speaker 15: and the two of us really struggled to find a
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  Speaker 15: model in which the national Party benefit from elevating on
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  Speaker 15: the margins one candidate who's very relevant in maybe one
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  Speaker 15: House race or even one Senate race, statewide race, but
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  Speaker 15: especially when it comes to midterms, these races are very local,
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  Speaker 15: so it will be difficult. And also, you know, some
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  Speaker 15: of the problem for Republicans of some of these candidates
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  Speaker 15: are quite charismatic. In twenty twenty five, there was a
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  Speaker 15: bulliance over Zoramandani's elevation. There was a lot of talk
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 15: about how he was going to be the face of
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 15: the National Republican the Republican National Committee's effort to you know,
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  Speaker 15: impose message discipline on their candidates and say this is
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 15: the guy who's the face of the Democratic Party. That's
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 15: all gone, not because he's gotten softer, not because he's
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 15: less radical, but because he's charismatic. And that alone is
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 15: probably an obstacle to that strategy. I would love for
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  Speaker 15: them to make these people abstractions, you know, just unreconstructed Marxists,
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  Speaker 15: and maybe that works, but The problem is that some
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 15: of them have pretty faces, a good smile, and they
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 15: know how to relate to people.
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  Speaker 1: And that's dangerous and that's the challenge for the National
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Republican House Committee and RCC National Republican Congressional Committee. No Rothman,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, my friend. Good to see you. Have a
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: great fourth of July. Fall him on exit.
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  Speaker 10: No C.
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  Speaker 1: Rothman, get his book Blood in Progress. He kind of
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  Speaker 1: saw it coming when no one else said thank you
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  Speaker 1: to it.