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Knicks Best CHAMPS Ever?!?! | Ryan Clark Done Dirty by ESPN?!? | World Cup Final Snooze Fest · Independent N.I.C.

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Speaker 1: What's good people, sit boy and I see come into
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Speaker 1: you live and direct. I got my main man on
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Speaker 1: the ones and twos, the Human Sports Almanac, the one
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Speaker 1: and only Jason baum Baum.
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Speaker 2: Was good man, what's good with you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? What up? Goody? I know this may shock you.
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Speaker 3: I did go to another sporting event this weekend. We
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Speaker 3: made the day trip up to Seattle to go watch
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Speaker 3: the Giants play the Mariners on Saturday, and just like
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Speaker 3: a lot of times this season, it did not go
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Speaker 3: well with the Giants. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Man, uh dude. This is the first the Mets coming
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Speaker 1: here this year, and it was early in the season,
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Speaker 1: typically earlier than it typically is. It was the first
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Speaker 1: time I didn't make it, and it was just a
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Speaker 1: combination of a bunch of different things going on where
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Speaker 1: it really just wasn'tistically possible for me. I know, you're
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Speaker 1: a guy who goes and sees every sporting event, but
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Speaker 1: definitely travels to see you know, your teams from the
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Speaker 1: Bay and we that's one thing that we can bond
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Speaker 1: on this year is our mutual misery when it comes
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Speaker 1: to our baseball teams. You know, one team that in
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Speaker 1: some ways fathered another team and they as a as
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Speaker 1: a whole generational family and another generation are just looking
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Speaker 1: horrible right now. And it's it's been a tough, tough
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Speaker 1: season for the both of us. For the the guys
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Speaker 1: who like the baseball teams that were orange.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. It has been rough pit misery, dilly dilly,
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Speaker 3: so to speak. It's been a fantasy only type season
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Speaker 3: really for me at this point. Are they're so bad?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I'm sure this is not your first time
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Speaker 1: in that stadium in Seattle. How is that one compared
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Speaker 1: to all the others you've been to?
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's the top five ballpark for me, for sure.
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Speaker 3: It is a santastic stadium. It is just on a
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Speaker 3: night like we had Saturday, where it's just perfectly sunny
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Speaker 3: and you know, not a cloud in the sky and
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Speaker 3: in the seventies, you can just see so far out
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Speaker 3: in the city of Seattle in either direction really too,
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Speaker 3: which is really sick. They have a retractable roof, but
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Speaker 3: they still don't close the panels, so you have this
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Speaker 3: little bit of outdoor miss. No matter what. Uh, the
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Speaker 3: energy in the stadium is good. You know, it's a
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Speaker 3: tough place to hit, but you know, the sights and
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Speaker 3: sounds and energy are all just fantastic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever seen a drop off like this?
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Speaker 3: Guy Raley Luke Raley? Yeah, oh cal Rally you mean yeah,
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Speaker 3: big numper. You know, I'm trying to think of one.
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Speaker 3: I cannot.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I don't give a fuck. What's your
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Speaker 1: nickname is? I'm not calling you.
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Speaker 3: That, that's what they call I'm trying to think because
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Speaker 3: they also have Luke Raley on their team too.
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Speaker 1: So that's why you know at the catcher the guy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I haven't seen one like this, to be honest,
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Speaker 3: other than you know, Fernando Tatis Junior's early season drop off.
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Speaker 3: He's kind of finally woking up, but he was to
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Speaker 3: begin the season, he.
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Speaker 1: Was offul Yeah, you're just you're especially sensitive to that
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Speaker 1: because he's been on your Dynasty team for me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Yeah. Actually, you know another one who's actually
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Speaker 3: had a very interesting drop off this year is Flag Junior.
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Speaker 1: Word after he just got paid too, yeah after.
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Speaker 3: But I'm kind of wondering is it the WBC that
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Speaker 3: kind of messed him up? Because a lot of guys
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Speaker 3: who were coming out of WBC really haven't had their
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Speaker 3: normal seasons.
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Speaker 1: There's something too that we definitely talked about it. Well,
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Speaker 1: I know that so though he played the WBC and
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Speaker 1: he's still having a really good year. Uh. But also,
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's there's something to that. Listen, if
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Speaker 1: I'm like, if my guy is, you know, really inclined
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Speaker 1: to go, you can't obviously you can't get in their way,
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Speaker 1: but if I could influence it in some way as
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Speaker 1: an organization, like Nolan McLain, young guy went pitched, got
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Speaker 1: some experience in some high leverage situations. Cool, But like
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Speaker 1: in a few years when it's time again, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: be like, nah, man, I need you in camp. I
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Speaker 1: need you, you know, doing the normal thing that you
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Speaker 1: are doing to ramp up and get ready for this season.
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Speaker 1: Especially when you look at him. He's a guy who
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Speaker 1: started up the season not meeting the lofty expectations that
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Speaker 1: people expected. But now he's kind of starting to get
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Speaker 1: into a groove, has put you know, three really good
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Speaker 1: starts together back to back to back, and it's really
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Speaker 1: one of the few things to be optimistic about with
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Speaker 1: this Mets team right now. You know, it's a very
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Speaker 1: good question about that. And yet Flat is yeah another guy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking about what those two were top
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Speaker 1: three in al MVP last year, if not top four
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Speaker 1: to five, so not more than five. And you know,
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Speaker 1: those guys both obviously haven't having a very very tough
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Speaker 1: time so far this year.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say Rolly finished second of Judge obviously,
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Speaker 3: even though I probably hit sixty two bombs. But this
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Speaker 3: year doesn't even look like he's going to hit twenty,
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Speaker 3: which is crazy to think about in terms of the
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Speaker 3: WBC itself. And I think this is good and I'm
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Speaker 3: hoping this is a new precedent with Major League Baseball
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Speaker 3: players going to the Olympics, most likely in a couple
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Speaker 3: of years that it becomes a mid season tournament and
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Speaker 3: replaces the All Star Game itself this way, again, I
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Speaker 3: think players are ramped up. They're more ready to participate
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Speaker 3: in it instead of having to speed up their training
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Speaker 3: and you know, basically pitch at high level situations while
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Speaker 3: being in spring training.
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Speaker 1: No, yeah, I agree, it's a great idea for sure.
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Speaker 1: I think the quality of baseball will be better too
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Speaker 1: if it's in the middle of the season. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, you just how far how far of a
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Speaker 1: drive is Seattle from you?
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Speaker 3: It's only two hours take the train or take drive up,
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Speaker 3: you know, two hours to the train station. You take
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Speaker 3: a light rail into Seattle proper. It drops you off
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Speaker 3: right down the street from the ball park.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean that's you know, that's still that's still
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Speaker 1: a trip. Did you stay there for the night or
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Speaker 1: did you come right back afterwards?
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Speaker 3: I always stay the night, got a got an airport, hotel,
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Speaker 3: you know, nothing crazy expensive, and just crashed out after that.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what's up, man, that's what's up. You
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Speaker 1: continue to amaze me with your commitment to attend a
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Speaker 1: sporting events live. Someday you got to write a book
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Speaker 1: someday for seriously, I hope you're taking notes, But yeah, man,
6:18
Speaker 1: obviously we're send someone of the slow time in sports.
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Speaker 1: You know, I really do intend at some point to
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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about things that are like
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Speaker 1: going on in the world and like current events, and
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Speaker 1: I mean I'm everything from things that are somewhat serious
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Speaker 1: to things that are you know, just fun. To be
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Speaker 1: honest with you here, recently, the way that I just
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Speaker 1: I've been feeling and things have been I almost don't
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Speaker 1: even I've I've taken so much of my like mental
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Speaker 1: energy and focused it away from just watching things like
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Speaker 1: the news, and I mean, you know, consuming that in
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Speaker 1: any time, shape or form, which I do in some
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Speaker 1: very alternative ways, in a little bit of inn a
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Speaker 1: legacy way. But recently I've been so turned off from that,
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Speaker 1: just in the overall climate of it, the just disgust
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Speaker 1: of it and the grossness of it. And so I've
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Speaker 1: been like so tuned out that I don't feel educated
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Speaker 1: enough to speak on anything. And really, honestly, anything I
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Speaker 1: speak about on this pod, I know, I know a
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Speaker 1: good amount about a good amount of things, but I'm
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Speaker 1: not an expert probably in anything, you know. So at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, I don't know. We'll get there.
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Speaker 1: We'll get there at certain points. I just I don't know.
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Speaker 1: It feels a little gross right now, and I hope,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna change. Probably won't get
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Speaker 1: any better. But there's some things that like I almost
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Speaker 1: am too emotional about to sit and really even have
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Speaker 1: any sort of real discourse, and I guess discourse with
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Speaker 1: you know, the people that listen to it and have
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Speaker 1: thinks to come back and comment. You know, there's certain
8:02
Speaker 1: things that sound so coded and just some of the
8:04
Speaker 1: stuff we talk about even in the sports world. We'll
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Speaker 1: talk about that at the very end of the show,
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Speaker 1: and we talk about, you know, somebody losing their position recently.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I find that it for me sometimes
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Speaker 1: it's like I don't even I don't have the energy.
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Speaker 1: I got too much things going on with me and
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Speaker 1: my little tribe. And you know, also you know the
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Speaker 1: people that that I either call family or whole close.
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Speaker 1: It's like I can only put so much energy into
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Speaker 1: trying to change anybody else's opinion or even really giving
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Speaker 1: a fuck about it. But we'll get there. We'll get there.
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Speaker 1: One thing that has been a delight, not just for
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Speaker 1: the last six weeks, but just in general here recently
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Speaker 1: these last couple of weeks, is it's great when your
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Speaker 1: team wins a championship and then right after that you
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Speaker 1: have all the stuff that comes after it. Now with
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Speaker 1: the Knicks, everything is amplified. And that's part of the
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Speaker 1: greater point here. And what is the question that I
9:08
Speaker 1: want to ask to the audience. Now? Recently you have
9:16
Speaker 1: Fanatics Fest, then you have you know, some wrestling events
9:21
Speaker 1: different gallas and award shows and interviews coming out with
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Speaker 1: you know, really huge you know people in podcast space,
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Speaker 1: and the exposure and the overall celebration of the NBA
9:39
Speaker 1: champion New York Knicks has been one that makes me
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Speaker 1: want to ask a question, is this the most celebrated
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Speaker 1: and beloved champion of all time? Now? Before you know,
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Speaker 1: you see what you see what had I'm wearing, You
10:02
Speaker 1: see what colors the logo is. That's if you're new
10:05
Speaker 1: to the show. If you're not new to the show,
10:07
Speaker 1: you already know what time it is. It's Nixon five.
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Speaker 1: You know my entire life. And so I look at
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Speaker 1: things like every champion doesn't go and is immediately on
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Speaker 1: the Today's Show and all the late night shows and
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Speaker 1: everything right afterwards. Now, obviously a huge part of that
10:27
Speaker 1: is the fact that they're in New York. That they
10:34
Speaker 1: have by okay, when I say that, I'm sorry that
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Speaker 1: all the studios, all the TV shows, all those things,
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Speaker 1: most of a lot of them are shot in New York.
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Speaker 1: Or the award shows they happen in New York. Every
10:47
Speaker 1: single one of those morning shows New York. So clearly
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Speaker 1: there's that connection there. I don't remember Oklahoma City doing
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Speaker 1: the tour and being on every show. Sure there were
10:59
Speaker 1: all some stuff but they it wasn't the same, okay,
11:04
Speaker 1: and you definitely didn't have the equivalent of their Landry
11:07
Speaker 1: Shammitt doing like major podcasts.
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Speaker 3: I gotta pop that to hear about Oklahoma City really quick.
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Speaker 3: Those dudes, I think kind of killed themselves media darling
11:16
Speaker 3: wives when they couldn't even celebrate the title, right, You've
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Speaker 3: always got in the locker room after the after they
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Speaker 3: had won Game seven, and it was quite honestly the lamest,
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Speaker 3: most subdued championship celebration I've ever seen. Like those guys
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Speaker 3: that barely even knew how to open a bottle of champagne.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't uh, you know, I only kind
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Speaker 1: of remember what you're talking about right now if you can,
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Speaker 1: uh final link and uh and text it to me
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Speaker 1: and I'll and I'll pull it up so I can
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Speaker 1: look at it if you can. But not a big deal.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, man, it's you know, listen, those guys to me,
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Speaker 1: obviously they they by nature well you know what I
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Speaker 1: was about to say, they seem a little dry.
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Speaker 2: But then after the.
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Speaker 1: Games where they're all there and Shae is talking shit
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Speaker 1: and whatnot, and obviously you know, Shae fancies himself some
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Speaker 1: sort of high fashion model. So he's always wearing shit.
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Speaker 1: So now I'm not gonna call him dry. Not gonna
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Speaker 1: call him dry. But the thing that's different about the
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Speaker 1: Knicks is you have first and foremost, it's the New
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Speaker 1: York part and the Knicks. I owe my dad an apology.
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Speaker 1: He always talked about this. I said, it's not as
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Speaker 1: big as it used to be because nowadays, you know,
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Speaker 1: the game is so global, everything is as you at
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Speaker 1: your fingertips, you can become a huge star somewhere else.
12:34
Speaker 1: You know, Durant became a huge star, Okay, So you
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Speaker 1: would always be my refrain to him, and he'd be like,
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Speaker 1: I know, Nick, but it's different. And if you ever
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Speaker 1: come here, and if you ever win, it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: on a totally different level than anything. Dad. I apologize.
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Speaker 1: You were one hundred percent correct, big guy, because this
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Speaker 1: is something like we've never seen before as far as
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Speaker 1: the just outpouring of love that we've seen for this team.
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Speaker 1: I try to think of other teams that are very
13:01
Speaker 1: and you definitely have some teams, whether it be the Patriots,
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Speaker 1: the Warriors, but those teams they love you on the
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Speaker 1: a set and once you continue to dominate for a while,
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Speaker 1: then you get your shriff haters. I don't feel like
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Speaker 1: the Knicks have gotten that yet. And they're like, first
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Speaker 1: time champions in fifty three years, and it's such a
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Speaker 1: big deal to so many people. But I think just
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Speaker 1: the random person who's a fan, a basketball fan, a
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Speaker 1: sports fan, not necessarily a Knicks fan, but doesn't have
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Speaker 1: any reason to hate the Knicks. They're They're not a
13:35
Speaker 1: seventy six percent or some shit. They don't have a
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Speaker 1: reason to hate the Knicks, but they kind of like
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Speaker 1: the fact that, like, yo, man, they finally did it.
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Speaker 1: They finally did it, and that's good for them. And
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Speaker 1: they did it with a team that plays ethical hoops.
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Speaker 1: They did it as a team that was the underdog.
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Speaker 1: We all know that everybody loves the underdog story. And
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Speaker 1: they did it in with a guy who is a
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Speaker 1: normal guy. Wemby's not a normal person. He's an abnormal person.
14:11
Speaker 1: Jaylen Brunson is a normal guy. If you saw him
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Speaker 1: walking around the grocery store, you wouldn't you know, you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be you wouldn't be shocked like you would be
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Speaker 1: if you saw Wemby. And so you have the combination
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Speaker 1: of the personality of the team, the history of the win.
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Speaker 1: You have the main characters of the team, Cat, very emotional,
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Speaker 1: very emotive guy that you know it's easy to you know,
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Speaker 1: get behind him, and it's you know, it's Cats, the
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Speaker 1: opposite of a Kawhi. You never know exactly how Kawhi
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Speaker 1: is feeling on the court. You always know exactly how
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Speaker 1: Cat is feeling on the court for God Infrabad. But
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Speaker 1: the Knicks have this team with this personality. Everybody is
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Speaker 1: now getting to see that, you know, the whole dynamic
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Speaker 1: between Jaylen Brunton and Josh Hart. They're getting to see
15:05
Speaker 1: the quirkiness of Ogn and Obi. They're getting to see
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Speaker 1: the outpouring of emotion by Karl Anthony Towns and all
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Speaker 1: the different little dynamics that the team has amongst themselves.
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Speaker 1: We've all seen it as Knicks fans. We know, you know,
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Speaker 1: Og grabbing the mic away from Alan Hahn, and you know,
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Speaker 1: we know who these guys are. But now the whole
15:35
Speaker 1: nation is getting to see it, and they're getting to
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Speaker 1: see a whole team. It's not just about JB. It's
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Speaker 1: not just about even JB and Gat. Everybody is getting
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Speaker 1: their time to shine When Bridges goes up to at
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Speaker 1: fanatics Fest, the entire crowd is chanting, fuck them picks.
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Speaker 1: His teammates are clowning him about who's the one that's
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Speaker 1: having the most fun here, and they say it's got
15:59
Speaker 1: to be Bridges because at IG Live, this is a family,
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Speaker 1: this is a team, and I think that everybody can
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Speaker 1: get behind that. The other reason, and the last and
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Speaker 1: the most important my to me, the real reason why
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Speaker 1: the New York Knicks are getting so much love in
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Speaker 1: the entire sports world for this championship is because of us.
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Speaker 1: It's the fans, Bam. You've said to me for years,
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Speaker 1: best fans in sports. With a team that had that
16:40
Speaker 1: level of ineptitude for that long and to still have
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Speaker 1: such a rabid fan base, it speaks for itself.
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Speaker 3: It is, you know, as they got to live it,
16:52
Speaker 3: you know with you, you know over the years that
16:55
Speaker 3: we spent together, you know, sitting at the same city,
16:57
Speaker 3: at the same desk daily. And then you know the
17:00
Speaker 3: one time I took you and the big guy to
17:01
Speaker 3: the Sun's game and you guys, it was it was
17:05
Speaker 3: a Sun's next game in December when you guys weren't
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Speaker 3: very good, but it felt like Game six of the
17:10
Speaker 3: Eastern Conference semi fives to you guys, that was that
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Speaker 3: big of a deal. And then I think it got
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Speaker 3: a little further amplified in twenty twenty one when the
17:18
Speaker 3: world really got to start seeing it with those sidetonk
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Speaker 3: videos that that Game one or that opening night double
17:25
Speaker 3: overtime throw over Boston. I think we really got the
17:27
Speaker 3: rest of the world got to really see how insanely
17:30
Speaker 3: passionate Nicks fans really are and really started to understand
17:34
Speaker 3: it and really understood what a big deal would be
17:37
Speaker 3: if that was just game one. What would happened if
17:39
Speaker 3: they went through eighty two games, made to the playoffs
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Speaker 3: and then won sixteen more for April on, what would happen?
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Speaker 3: And how sick it was. I mean, I remember when
17:48
Speaker 3: you guys made the playoffs that season and just thinking
17:51
Speaker 3: the night you guys clinchedes, like how much that would
17:53
Speaker 3: have that meant to you? And I think I've been
17:54
Speaker 3: on you like twenty bucks or something, so you get
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Speaker 3: some champagne and self a great but you were on
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Speaker 3: mind when you guys made that made that postseason.
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Speaker 1: You know it's funny. I just h put up a picture,
18:09
Speaker 1: Shut up my guy jersey Jersey Short Knicks fan on X.
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Speaker 1: I actually just sent him a picture because he was
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Speaker 1: talking about Derreck Rose during that run and how good
18:21
Speaker 1: he was. He's best player on the team in that
18:22
Speaker 1: first that first series that we ended up losing to Atlanta.
18:26
Speaker 1: That uh, you know, Trey Young still hangs his hat
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Speaker 1: on because he's got nothing else to be proud of.
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Speaker 1: And we you know, we we were on the way. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there was the you know, we believe. That was our
18:42
Speaker 1: we believe team, you know, And I had to have
18:46
Speaker 1: the shirt, I said, my man, we put up a
18:48
Speaker 1: posts about it, and I sent the picture of me
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Speaker 1: wearing the shirt because I have the shirt from that
18:52
Speaker 1: playoff run. You know, I bought that shirt at the
18:54
Speaker 1: beginning of the playff run because we lost in the
18:55
Speaker 1: first round. You know, you don't buy the first round
18:57
Speaker 1: ship when you lose in the first round. So I
18:59
Speaker 1: bought that shit early. By the time I got to delivered,
19:01
Speaker 1: I was like, eh, okay, yeah, man, I It's it's
19:07
Speaker 1: one of those things, Doug where you know, at the
19:11
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's something that we're so rabbid
19:17
Speaker 1: about and it means so much to us, and I
19:20
Speaker 1: like every Nick Finn at many times wondered is this
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Speaker 1: just never gonna happen. I need this to happen, and
19:25
Speaker 1: I need to happen while while my pops is still here,
19:31
Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's very good, healthy, he's in
19:33
Speaker 1: his sixties, he's got a long time to go. But
19:36
Speaker 1: you know, I'm already thinking about is this canna go
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Speaker 1: another twenty thirty years? And so the fans, we are
19:43
Speaker 1: so invested. It meant so much to us, and it
19:45
Speaker 1: was just, you know, until if my wife took a video.
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Speaker 2: Of me, my dad and my son.
19:53
Speaker 1: And us as the buzzer went off, and if you watch,
19:56
Speaker 1: we're still like when Oji's taking the shot to take
19:59
Speaker 1: the free throw going up for we're still like sitting
20:02
Speaker 1: down watching intently.
20:04
Speaker 2: My Dad's like, you know, to do.
20:06
Speaker 1: This, do that, foul him whatever, blah blah blah, and
20:08
Speaker 1: we're just it's like I have to let it, like okay,
20:12
Speaker 1: it really went to zero. And it took a beat
20:14
Speaker 1: for it to be like yo, shit, man, this shit
20:17
Speaker 1: really just happened.
20:18
Speaker 2: And the New York fan.
20:24
Speaker 1: I've had conversations with people like this on X especially
20:27
Speaker 1: if you move away from the New York and New Jersey.
20:31
Speaker 1: I got so many texts and so many people reaching
20:34
Speaker 1: out and dms about the Knicks during this playoff run
20:39
Speaker 1: and congratulations when we finally won it. People I hadn't
20:42
Speaker 1: spoken to in twenty years, but they just remember that
20:47
Speaker 1: about me. And that's the thing. There's so many people
20:53
Speaker 1: who know a Nick fan like that. When I'm walking
20:56
Speaker 1: around in the streets in Arizona and I'm I've worn
21:02
Speaker 1: Nick gear every single day.
21:06
Speaker 2: Since probably.
21:09
Speaker 1: Somewhere in the Eastern Conference finals, and it's at least
21:14
Speaker 1: a hat at the at the very least.
21:16
Speaker 2: But it's it's a it's a jersey, it's a.
21:18
Speaker 1: Hat, it's custom shoes that are next team, it's something.
21:23
Speaker 2: Except for work clothes. That's the only time I haven't.
21:25
Speaker 1: But still I've even been wearing like an orange and
21:28
Speaker 1: blue pocket square a lot. But the people that see me,
21:34
Speaker 1: like the guy who walked past me a couple of
21:36
Speaker 1: days ago and said, go New York, Go, New York go,
21:39
Speaker 1: not even a Nick fan. He's just like, Ah, this guy,
21:43
Speaker 1: he's he's he's loving life right now. Again. When the
21:47
Speaker 1: when the thunder win, nobody's like, wow, man, we're really
21:51
Speaker 1: happy for those guys. And okay, see you appreciate it
21:54
Speaker 1: as a basketball fan. You may even like the team,
21:56
Speaker 1: you're not happy for their fan base, like people are
21:59
Speaker 1: happy for the Knicks fan base because everybody knows a
22:02
Speaker 1: Knick fan who has suffered for all these years and
22:05
Speaker 1: still figures out a way to not just love and
22:09
Speaker 1: represent but be optimistic somehow about his team and it's
22:14
Speaker 1: finally all paid off. I don't know, man, I seriously,
22:18
Speaker 1: bom am I Obviously. The thing is is that I
22:21
Speaker 1: know that I'm coming from a very biased point of view,
22:23
Speaker 1: but this is not even something that like I really
22:25
Speaker 1: like want as like a notch or something that we've done.
22:27
Speaker 2: But I kind of feel like, and I'm.
22:29
Speaker 1: Gonna go grab my charger because my my my computer's
22:31
Speaker 1: not plugged in. I got like an idiot, but I
22:33
Speaker 1: want to you you tell me, like, have you do
22:35
Speaker 1: you feel like this is a you know, a championship
22:40
Speaker 1: that seems like it's being celebrated more than many most
22:43
Speaker 1: championships are.
22:44
Speaker 3: I do, actually, And you know when you started mentioning this,
22:47
Speaker 3: I started racking my brain, especially around the last like
22:50
Speaker 3: few champions I you know, in my own bias went
22:53
Speaker 3: back to the first Warriors title, and it was celebrated,
22:56
Speaker 3: but not like this. The other one, at least in
22:59
Speaker 3: my life, that I could think about, that was even
23:01
Speaker 3: kind of close to this level was the ninety nine
23:04
Speaker 3: to two thousand Lakers, which was shocking Kobe's first together.
23:07
Speaker 3: I remember how bad everyone wanted them to win that,
23:12
Speaker 3: and then I think everybody was really really I remember
23:15
Speaker 3: they were playing the Blazers game seven of the conference finals.
23:17
Speaker 3: They were down a number of points, I think it
23:20
Speaker 3: was it was down double figures, you know, late into
23:24
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter, and the Lakers just all of a
23:25
Speaker 3: sudden staged that massive comeback, and it really got punctuated
23:29
Speaker 3: with that Kobe to like Kobe to shack Alu with
23:33
Speaker 3: about a minute left in that game, and right then
23:35
Speaker 3: and there you felt the Lakers were not only obviously
23:37
Speaker 3: gonna win that game and get to the finals, but
23:39
Speaker 3: they were going to roll. I think it was Philly
23:42
Speaker 3: they played in that that title in that final series,
23:46
Speaker 3: and you know, Iverson obviously had the big shot in
23:49
Speaker 3: Game one, the ty Lou stepover, but then the Lakers
23:51
Speaker 3: cruised after that, and people wanted them to win, it
23:56
Speaker 3: felt like, but it still didn't feel as celebrated as
23:59
Speaker 3: the Snakes title, So it was just a little different.
24:02
Speaker 3: You obviously have the star power of Kobe and Shaq
24:05
Speaker 3: back then you had Steph getting his first in fifteen.
24:08
Speaker 3: But I feel like everybody could get behind this Nicks team,
24:12
Speaker 3: not only you know, because of who Jalen Brunson is,
24:16
Speaker 3: and you know, the team itself and the culture that
24:19
Speaker 3: they've built, you know, him having his college teammates with him.
24:23
Speaker 3: I mean, how many people in life say they get
24:25
Speaker 3: to do that. Not many. The only other team I
24:29
Speaker 3: can really think of it in sports who have been
24:31
Speaker 3: able to do that is that last Eagles Super Bowl
24:33
Speaker 3: title team because you look at the guys on that defense,
24:35
Speaker 3: it's like all of Georgia guys who won the Natty
24:37
Speaker 3: together a couple of years prior. But it's a lot
24:40
Speaker 3: different in basketball when you have fifty three players versus fourteen.
24:44
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, and it's
24:47
Speaker 1: sixty percent of your starting lineup. That's crazy. And I
24:51
Speaker 1: think that, yeah, everything you said is right on. You know,
24:56
Speaker 1: it's just been It's been such a great ride, and
24:59
Speaker 1: I definitely didn't expect for it to still bring me
25:03
Speaker 1: as much joy on a daily basis and like continue
25:06
Speaker 1: to like find new ways to bring me joy as
25:08
Speaker 1: it continued as as it has as it has continued
25:12
Speaker 1: to do. And it's been awesome, man, it's been great.
25:15
Speaker 3: You know.
25:15
Speaker 1: Now you've got people like Anthony Edwards talking about whether
25:17
Speaker 1: or not Jalen Brunson is the face of the league.
25:20
Speaker 3: Uh.
25:20
Speaker 1: You know, he's saying that he thinks he's a more
25:22
Speaker 1: suitable candidate for facing the league than Anthony Edwards is.
25:26
Speaker 1: I don't even think that's debatable, Listen. I like it.
25:30
Speaker 1: I like his game. Some of the stuff about him
25:34
Speaker 1: around his personal life. It's not the best, man, it's
25:37
Speaker 1: not the best. It's not a it's not a it's
25:42
Speaker 1: not commendable. It's not how I would teach a young
25:44
Speaker 1: man to conduct himself. And as he said, he hasn't
25:52
Speaker 1: won a championship, he doesn't want anything. I mean, Jason
25:54
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson, he you know, he's he's Christian Layner. If
26:01
Speaker 1: Chritian Latner ended up being like a great pro to
26:04
Speaker 1: have such a decorated college and high school career and
26:10
Speaker 1: then come into the NBA and be this underdog story
26:14
Speaker 1: that people continue to doubt get handed the keys to
26:18
Speaker 1: the most marquee franchise in the entire NBA. I think
26:23
Speaker 1: that's a conversation that can be had too. Obviously people
26:26
Speaker 1: are going to say the Lakers and the Celtics. I
26:28
Speaker 1: think we just showed something different, man. And I think
26:31
Speaker 1: if this Knicks team we're able to get another championship
26:34
Speaker 1: here or there in the next couple of years and
26:37
Speaker 1: really be able to be looked at as like a dynasty.
26:39
Speaker 2: I think, now you really.
26:43
Speaker 1: Next time these you know, evaluations come out, and next
26:46
Speaker 1: time we talk about most valuable. It's obviously with Madison
26:49
Speaker 1: Square Garden that's an added value. But yo, man, this
26:54
Speaker 1: is different, man. This is different. The Knicks winning this
26:58
Speaker 1: championship is different. When Boston won the championship a few
27:01
Speaker 1: years ago, it was cool. People were like, you know,
27:04
Speaker 1: I heard people being like, you know, one of the
27:05
Speaker 1: marquee franchises won again. This is good talking about the
27:08
Speaker 1: total number and it's only number three for the next
27:10
Speaker 1: I get it. But all of that talk that we've
27:13
Speaker 1: ever heard about how oh the Knicks get covered differently.
27:16
Speaker 1: Their Dicks have more fans than anybody else that you know,
27:20
Speaker 1: if you win in New York, it's different than winning
27:22
Speaker 1: anywhere else. It's all true, it's proven. It's being proven
27:29
Speaker 1: right in front of our faces right now. And as
27:35
Speaker 1: far as facing the league, I can't see a better
27:39
Speaker 1: due to his size, due to his character, due to
27:42
Speaker 1: the way that he plays, due to his skill set.
27:46
Speaker 1: I can't see a better candidate than Jalen Brunson. But
27:50
Speaker 1: it seems it seems that people feel one way. But
27:54
Speaker 1: the people that push narratives feel like they want a
27:57
Speaker 1: guy who can, you know, run fast and jump high.
27:59
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't get that. I don't get
28:02
Speaker 1: I really don't get that at all. What do you
28:04
Speaker 1: think about that bomb? I mean, the whole face of
28:06
Speaker 1: the league conversation, what Anne had to say.
28:08
Speaker 3: I think it's very valid. Obviously right now, you know,
28:11
Speaker 3: Lebron and step are still kind of holding that mantle.
28:14
Speaker 3: But the next guy has been up in the air
28:17
Speaker 3: for a few years. There was definitely there should have
28:20
Speaker 3: been at least some concern with the leguas who's going
28:22
Speaker 3: to be the next guy. After twenty four you thought
28:24
Speaker 3: it was going to be Jason Tatum, and then you
28:27
Speaker 3: know he has the injury, the Knicks kind of takeover,
28:29
Speaker 3: and now Brunson has this whull run by the way,
28:31
Speaker 3: brother is so much faster than people think it actually
28:34
Speaker 3: kind of it actually kind of annoys me when people
28:36
Speaker 3: tell me he's slow. He is so deceptively quick.
28:39
Speaker 1: It's quick, and he's quick. He's not fast, so he's
28:41
Speaker 1: not he's not beating you on one hundred yard dash,
28:43
Speaker 1: but he's getting from this little spot to this little
28:46
Speaker 1: spot quicker than you are. And he's deceptive obviously exactly.
28:49
Speaker 3: It's incredible. But yeah, Brunson, you know, it is a
28:53
Speaker 3: valid argument at this point. And the other interesting thing
28:56
Speaker 3: that kind of doesn't get talked about as well, you know,
29:00
Speaker 3: within the face of the league is obviously the game
29:02
Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier, the game going global. The last few
29:05
Speaker 3: I think we're last, like five or six MVPs now
29:07
Speaker 3: are all non American guys. So now you have Tatum
29:11
Speaker 3: and Brunton, who are American guys who could really take
29:15
Speaker 3: over the face of the league to carry that mantle
29:17
Speaker 3: here in the States, and right now, it's hard to
29:21
Speaker 3: argue with what runts. Tatum came into the league as
29:23
Speaker 3: a third overall pick, and everybody knew how prodigitus VI
29:27
Speaker 3: talent he was not. Everybody knew that and understood that
29:30
Speaker 3: about how good and how much of a winner fronts
29:32
Speaker 3: it was. So to see him kind of do it
29:35
Speaker 3: makes him do it in the way he's done the
29:37
Speaker 3: character and also doing it in New York, where obviously
29:40
Speaker 3: the pressure is immense. There's a lot of validity for
29:44
Speaker 3: him to be the next face of the league after
29:46
Speaker 3: you know, Stepan Braun hanging up.
29:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that and is in that conversation
29:52
Speaker 1: as well. I don't know, man, I gotta I got
29:58
Speaker 1: a weird and his feeling about how things are gonna
30:03
Speaker 1: go for Boston, and I don't want to have it.
30:05
Speaker 1: I like Tatum, I like his game, you know, I
30:08
Speaker 1: don't help the hate the Celtics like I hate some
30:11
Speaker 1: other teams, like I hate the Miami Eat or even
30:14
Speaker 1: even Philly. Here recently we've gotten to a level just
30:18
Speaker 1: specifically because of Joelle and Bitch and the dirty stuff
30:21
Speaker 1: that he does. But yeah, I just I don't know.
30:25
Speaker 1: I don't have that hate for them. And I like
30:26
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum as a player. I've always been a huge
30:28
Speaker 1: fan of his game. So there's a part of me
30:31
Speaker 1: that hates feeling this way. But for some reason, I
30:34
Speaker 1: just I don't know. Man, I don't think it's going
30:37
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna go well for them. I
30:38
Speaker 1: really don't. I didn't like their offseason obviously, And you
30:41
Speaker 1: know it's not just the Jaylen Brown. I hope I listen.
30:47
Speaker 1: I hope they're not asking too much Mitch. I hope
30:50
Speaker 1: that things, you know, work out for Mitch. For sure,
30:52
Speaker 1: I really do to a certain extent. But uh, I'm
30:56
Speaker 1: keeping it real. But uh yeah, man, I'm just we'll see,
31:00
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. With Boston, there's no reason for
31:02
Speaker 1: me I'm over here I have. This is based on nothing.
31:04
Speaker 1: It's just just a feeling. It's just a feeling. And
31:06
Speaker 1: if I was always, you know, right about all my feelings,
31:09
Speaker 1: I would, uh my Draft Kings account would be so nice.
31:11
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be talking to y'all right now. Actually, yes
31:13
Speaker 1: I would, Yes, I would, I would. But Yo, Man, Brunson,
31:18
Speaker 1: you know, I don't give a fuck if he's basically
31:20
Speaker 1: he's the face of the Nicks, he's my captain. Couldn't
31:23
Speaker 1: be more thankful for all of that. And you're also
31:25
Speaker 1: seeing like it's like, okay, the wrestling shit, so they
31:30
Speaker 1: go on, they wrestle. I was huge in.
31:32
Speaker 2: Wrestling up until around like.
31:34
Speaker 1: The Rock That was like my last favorite wrestler. That
31:37
Speaker 1: was about twelve thirteen, and then you know, I got
31:39
Speaker 1: away from the wrestling. I got friends of mine who
31:44
Speaker 1: are still into it as grown man. There's plenty of
31:46
Speaker 1: grown men that still love wrestling. It's not for me,
31:49
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, I see the clips of Cat
31:52
Speaker 1: and JB. JB is with Roman reigns and Cat is
31:57
Speaker 1: with this dude. I think it's Dan Housen or some
31:59
Speaker 1: shit like that. He I know, he he. He uncursed
32:02
Speaker 1: the Nicks at one point during the playoffs, which you know,
32:06
Speaker 1: I know that Brunson and I think a little I
32:09
Speaker 1: think Cat's similar too, But I know that brunts in
32:11
Speaker 1: and I think maybe Josh Hart or into wrestling and
32:15
Speaker 1: you know, fairly heavily, and you know they're out there.
32:21
Speaker 1: They're part of the plot, you know, Bruntson. I forget
32:26
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. You know, cats choke slam, Kats
32:29
Speaker 1: choke slam was excellent. Two choke slams excellent. And you know,
32:33
Speaker 1: this is my favorite wrestler, my first favorite wrestler ever, No,
32:37
Speaker 1: not my first, my second favorite rest My first favorite
32:39
Speaker 1: wrestler ever was sting when he was in w c W.
32:43
Speaker 1: I used to watch w c W back then my
32:46
Speaker 1: grandmother with my grandmother, believe it or not, she's really
32:49
Speaker 1: into it, you know, I think my I think Grandma
32:51
Speaker 1: really liked all the all the guys in the tights
32:53
Speaker 1: with no shirts on it for being there. If we're
32:56
Speaker 1: being honest out there, you know, sorry Grahamcy, but the
33:02
Speaker 1: yeah man.
33:02
Speaker 2: So that was my first favorite.
33:04
Speaker 1: Was thing like the old Thing where he just like
33:05
Speaker 1: had half of his face and it was colorful and
33:07
Speaker 1: he had the blonde here it's not the crows sting.
33:09
Speaker 1: And then I started getting a w WF. You know.
33:12
Speaker 1: I liked like a Ultimate Warrior. I had one of
33:15
Speaker 1: those dolls, the little doll with the arms are like
33:17
Speaker 1: this and shit. And then I really got into the
33:21
Speaker 1: undert Undertaker. It was my first like guy back when
33:23
Speaker 1: he didn't talk, when he didn't speak, when he always
33:27
Speaker 1: had the eyes rolled up. I do that for my
33:30
Speaker 1: kid sometimes it freaks him out, and h he's you know,
33:34
Speaker 1: he's the dead man. Back before they would say he
33:38
Speaker 1: was from Death Valley. They would say when they would
33:40
Speaker 1: they would they were you know, everything was unknown. No,
33:43
Speaker 1: he barely ever spoke I'll ever forget, Like when there
33:46
Speaker 1: was this whole thing about the UH at this point,
33:50
Speaker 1: it was, you know, wrestling was very xenophobic back then.
33:53
Speaker 1: It was the US versus the foreigners, which was you know,
33:57
Speaker 1: Yoka Soon Uh and the whichever Arabic guy representation they
34:05
Speaker 1: were running out at the time, and it was just
34:07
Speaker 1: very xenophobic, you know, back and forth, and it was
34:10
Speaker 1: USA versus them basically, and Lex Luger was like the
34:14
Speaker 1: leader of like the USA and my guy. You know,
34:18
Speaker 1: they were all like asking, you know, the dead man
34:20
Speaker 1: that nobody knew where he was from, who does he support?
34:22
Speaker 1: And they brought him out there in the middle of
34:23
Speaker 1: the ring and you know, had the foreigners versus the USA,
34:27
Speaker 1: and he's right in the middle and he opens up
34:29
Speaker 1: his trench coat and it's got the American flag on it,
34:32
Speaker 1: and he's just like USA and he started hitting the Oh,
34:35
Speaker 1: come on, man, it's the best. It's the best. The
34:36
Speaker 1: Understaker famously his two moves he started off it was
34:40
Speaker 1: just a tombstone, and then after that he added in
34:44
Speaker 1: the joke slam Caine, his younger brother, when he comes in,
34:48
Speaker 1: he's a he's a choke slammer. And a and a
34:51
Speaker 1: tombstoner as well. And you see a lot of guys,
34:54
Speaker 1: especially when they have like big guys, cross over and
34:57
Speaker 1: do something in wrestling. It's one of the safest ones
35:00
Speaker 1: that they can do. And it looks really good when
35:02
Speaker 1: somebody's big to take them up high like that, and
35:04
Speaker 1: the person who's getting choked slam they give a jump
35:07
Speaker 1: for sure. It's like I tell my youngest he's six
35:09
Speaker 1: years old, she's a little bigger. Now, I'm like, yo,
35:10
Speaker 1: when I gotta pick you up, I need you to
35:11
Speaker 1: get me a little jump, you know, make it a
35:13
Speaker 1: little easy on me. And uh, cat Man, it's very
35:21
Speaker 1: very solid choke slam. And I've seen some you know,
35:23
Speaker 1: some wrestling officionado say very good choke slam. First of all,
35:26
Speaker 1: Cat is obviously huge seven feet tall. Second of all,
35:29
Speaker 1: Cat's fucking strong as fuck. The the uh the NBA
35:35
Speaker 1: Championship Trophy, it's thirty It's like they say it's brown
35:40
Speaker 1: thirty pounds, but it's an oblong thirty pounds. It's not
35:42
Speaker 1: like a picking up a thirty pound dumbbell or a
35:44
Speaker 1: kettlebell and he picks it up with ease and just
35:46
Speaker 1: holds it over his hand with one hand over his
35:48
Speaker 1: head with one hand like this. So Cat is clearly
35:52
Speaker 1: a strong, strong dude. Obviously he was way too strong
35:56
Speaker 1: for Wemby. We saw that over and over again throughout
35:58
Speaker 1: the series, and you know, he just shows you how
36:02
Speaker 1: strong he is. So when he and he understands it,
36:04
Speaker 1: just it was. There were good looking choke slimps. There
36:06
Speaker 1: were good looking joke slimps from Cat. But yeah, man,
36:09
Speaker 1: the next you know, even when it comes to that,
36:11
Speaker 1: the wrestling and everything that they're everywhere. They're everywhere. And
36:14
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Brunson yesterday finally went on vacation and
36:18
Speaker 1: he said that he did not leave the city and
36:21
Speaker 1: didn't go on vacation. Right afterwards, you know, Josh Hart
36:23
Speaker 1: went over to either Italy or Greece, I believe, and
36:27
Speaker 1: he missed the SPI's from it. And these guys, they
36:33
Speaker 1: clearly most of them have stayed around the city. Jordan
36:37
Speaker 1: Clarkson is in the club getting kicked out with Travis
36:41
Speaker 1: Scott after some sort of disagreement. Supposedly Jordan Clarkson was
36:46
Speaker 1: trying to be you know, a peacemaker in the situation,
36:49
Speaker 1: but Jayleen Brunson said specifically that he stayed because he
36:52
Speaker 1: wanted to stay close to the city and experience it. God,
36:56
Speaker 1: this guy is just He's just the fucking best. We
36:59
Speaker 1: love you, JB. World Cup ended on Sunday, and I
37:07
Speaker 1: would say very disappointing fashion. You have the final game
37:12
Speaker 1: in extra time, Spain scores, they win one nil. Argentina
37:20
Speaker 1: managed just two shots, both of those coming in extra time,
37:23
Speaker 1: did not manage a shot on goal in normal time.
37:32
Speaker 1: I mean I changed. I actually was supposed to see
37:38
Speaker 1: The Odyssey that day, switched out my tickets and switched
37:42
Speaker 1: them out and couldn't find any Imax showings that had
37:50
Speaker 1: available tickets. It's crazy how sold out this movie is.
37:52
Speaker 1: It's got to do fucking massive numbers. And I've heard
37:54
Speaker 1: good reviews on it too. I saw a one bad review,
37:56
Speaker 1: but most of them been good, and so I couldn't
38:00
Speaker 1: even go through the movie because I couldn't find another
38:03
Speaker 1: time that worked for me and my pops. And I
38:06
Speaker 1: wish I would just kept my original tickets and went
38:08
Speaker 1: and saw that shit instead of sitting around and yawning.
38:11
Speaker 1: Literally there was I dozed off a couple of times.
38:15
Speaker 1: Wenby was there. He dozed off. He was trying really
38:18
Speaker 1: hard to move so he could get to get the
38:20
Speaker 1: son of his eyes. I don't understand what Wenby broke.
38:23
Speaker 1: Get some fucking shades, dude. You're going to a soccer
38:27
Speaker 1: match in the middle of the day. You know you're
38:30
Speaker 1: trying your best to like use the I don't know
38:33
Speaker 1: what the shade was he was trying to.
38:34
Speaker 2: It just looked really silly. He seemed underprepared.
38:37
Speaker 1: He seemed like, you know, he needs to he needs
38:40
Speaker 1: to continue to work on his preparedness and all and
38:43
Speaker 1: all elements of life. But uh yo, man, this match
38:48
Speaker 1: fucking sucked. Dude. It was fucking suck. It just it
38:52
Speaker 1: was so boring. It was so bad. There was I mean, Spain,
38:57
Speaker 1: they had their chances. The Argentine goalie, you know, he
39:00
Speaker 1: played out of his mind. He did a really really
39:02
Speaker 1: great job of being in the right spot. When the
39:05
Speaker 1: one that Spain finally did score. It was just like
39:07
Speaker 1: they just kept coming and coming and coming, and it
39:09
Speaker 1: would have been bad. If Argentina was able to just
39:12
Speaker 1: stall that game out and then win in PKS. That
39:16
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been good for the game, and it wouldn't
39:18
Speaker 1: have been It wouldn't have been good for anybody involved
39:20
Speaker 1: other than you know, Argentina and their fans.
39:22
Speaker 3: I guess yeah, I was gonna say. Spain absolutely dominated
39:26
Speaker 3: that match. It was it was a border line clinic
39:29
Speaker 3: and it felt like Argentina was playing for penalty kicks.
39:34
Speaker 3: Million Martinez, the Argentine goalie, did absolutely stand on his
39:37
Speaker 3: head in that game. He made some real ten l saves,
39:41
Speaker 3: especially early to mid second half, to keep that game alive,
39:44
Speaker 3: because that game could have easily been set it mil.
39:49
Speaker 1: They kept coming, they kept coming Spain, and you know
39:52
Speaker 1: what part of it is the brilliance of Spain. You
39:57
Speaker 1: know we've seen We saw them in back to back
39:59
Speaker 1: game and the two biggest games of the tournament lock
40:03
Speaker 1: down Imbape and then MESSI I mean legit, lock these
40:09
Speaker 1: guys down, when nobody's been able to do that all tournament.
40:15
Speaker 1: So a lot of that is definitely, you know, just
40:19
Speaker 1: Spain being dominant and being so dominant that it's somewhat boring.
40:22
Speaker 1: We see we see that in sports all the time.
40:24
Speaker 1: Sometimes when a team is that good and they're so
40:28
Speaker 1: good at like one element of the game, specifically when
40:32
Speaker 1: it's defense, then they kind of pack it in and
40:37
Speaker 1: don't have to take big chances and it can make
40:40
Speaker 1: for a boring sporting event. If it's your team, then
40:45
Speaker 1: you're like, hey, let's go, let's be dominant and continue
40:48
Speaker 1: to win. They gave up one goal in the entire
40:51
Speaker 1: tournament and their goalie barely had to do shit. It
40:59
Speaker 1: was a uh it was it was, like you said,
41:01
Speaker 1: a clinic by Spain, but Argentina. They come out with
41:06
Speaker 1: a lot of people having beef with them, specifically the
41:11
Speaker 1: fact that they were a little bit dirty, as they
41:17
Speaker 1: tend to be, you know, the fact that they didn't
41:21
Speaker 1: open it up and really go for it and tried
41:22
Speaker 1: to score it and seemed like they were trying to
41:25
Speaker 1: play for pks. Dude, I saw one. I think it was.
41:30
Speaker 1: I think it was on Uh. I think it was
41:34
Speaker 1: on ABC. I think it was I'm sorry, not ABC.
41:37
Speaker 1: I think it was on Fox, like a couple, like
41:39
Speaker 1: a little while after the game, not the immediate postgame
41:42
Speaker 1: show with like Zlatan and all them, but after that
41:45
Speaker 1: and some guys or maybe it might have been on ESPN.
41:47
Speaker 1: I don't know, but some guys were talking and they
41:49
Speaker 1: were like, yo, this was just a horrible display of football.
41:56
Speaker 1: These guys went out there with with with with just
41:59
Speaker 1: trying to be thugs and instead of you know, trying
42:03
Speaker 1: to actually score and win the game, they just tried
42:05
Speaker 1: to muck it up. They end up gotting a man
42:07
Speaker 1: down on what was a clear, clear card and then
42:12
Speaker 1: you know, they just it's just not it's not a
42:15
Speaker 1: good representation of what the game's supposed to be. It
42:19
Speaker 1: wasn't It surely wasn't. Man. You know, I don't know
42:22
Speaker 1: enough about strategy and shit like that in soccer, but
42:25
Speaker 1: it just wasn't good to watch. Man. Spain's just too good,
42:28
Speaker 1: like I said, in Bappe and Messe back to back,
42:31
Speaker 1: both getting uh getting you know, shut down by these guys.
42:37
Speaker 1: And you know, Spain's got a strong team. They're starting
42:45
Speaker 1: to eighteen year olds and you know, guys who are
42:54
Speaker 1: like really playing and contributing. And then obviously, you know,
43:01
Speaker 1: you have like I even thought, like later on one
43:04
Speaker 1: of the guys that they that they brought in later on,
43:08
Speaker 1: who he I'm pretty sure he had the assist on
43:10
Speaker 1: the actual goal.
43:12
Speaker 2: It was like, this dude is like not even playing.
43:14
Speaker 1: They just bring him in at the end just just
43:15
Speaker 1: just to you know, just pour it on, and it's like, damn,
43:18
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, man, they just seem like they're
43:21
Speaker 1: set up to be really really good for a long time.
43:26
Speaker 1: And you know it's they're they're they're dominating soccer right
43:31
Speaker 1: now at a level that we rarely see having, you know,
43:35
Speaker 1: just won the UEFA and then now out here and
43:40
Speaker 1: winning the World Cup. And like I said, with the
43:42
Speaker 1: with the overall age, it doesn't look like it's gonna
43:46
Speaker 1: stop or go anywhere anytime soon.
43:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, Spain looks very good. The team, I know, we
43:51
Speaker 3: kind of talked about this and touched on the last show.
43:53
Speaker 3: The team that they kind of remind me of from
43:56
Speaker 3: you know, American sports is the Dynasty Spurs. You know,
43:59
Speaker 3: they're never going to a wow you with electric confidence.
44:02
Speaker 3: They're never gonna be the sexy team that does all
44:05
Speaker 3: the fun stuff. They just defend, defend, and they take
44:10
Speaker 3: their chances. They get their chances and they take advantage
44:12
Speaker 3: of them. But to be fair, on Sunday, they were
44:15
Speaker 3: ultra aggressive in that match. They were going for it early.
44:20
Speaker 3: They were trying to barry Argentina. But Media Maal had
44:23
Speaker 3: a couple really high level, high quality chances early and
44:28
Speaker 3: you know that either just missed or Martinez made stays.
44:31
Speaker 1: On, how is that kid eighteen fucking years old? Jeesus,
44:35
Speaker 1: I mean the level that he is at that age,
44:37
Speaker 1: the amount of experience that he has in big time
44:39
Speaker 1: international play at that age. I mean, obviously he didn't
44:43
Speaker 1: have the type of scoring tournament or even the signature
44:47
Speaker 1: game this this World Cup is say, like like an
44:50
Speaker 1: Ambape did in his first World Cup. But you know,
44:54
Speaker 1: so many people again there's I consume a lot of
44:57
Speaker 1: my soccer through highlight reels, and his highlight reels are
45:00
Speaker 1: fucking insane, insane some of the shit he does just
45:03
Speaker 1: his wizardry with the ball and you know, his like
45:06
Speaker 1: fast twitch movement and ability. Yeah, you know, I don't know, Well,
45:13
Speaker 1: this will be the last time we talked about soccer
45:14
Speaker 1: for four years probably, but I mean maybe at the Olympics,
45:19
Speaker 1: depending on how that. I don't fucking know. But yeah,
45:21
Speaker 1: this is uh I read.
45:25
Speaker 2: It sucks.
45:26
Speaker 1: It sucks that the momentum of this tournament and then
45:29
Speaker 1: the third place game was way more exciting and way
45:32
Speaker 1: better than the first place game. And it just you know,
45:38
Speaker 1: you had so many celebrities and athletes and everything in
45:42
Speaker 1: the house and it was just the fucking dud and
45:47
Speaker 1: you can have games that are zero zero that are
45:49
Speaker 1: not done. That happens all the time today, does not
45:52
Speaker 1: necessarily have to be a thing where everybody is just
45:55
Speaker 1: you know, has a ton of goals. There's games that
45:58
Speaker 1: are zero zero that end up one zero, they go
46:00
Speaker 1: into pks and they're still exciting games. That game was
46:04
Speaker 1: just not an exciting game, and it was sad also
46:05
Speaker 1: for Messi to go out like that, and then Argentina
46:09
Speaker 1: they don't, you know, they don't they don't shake hand.
46:12
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, they didn't take it well. There was
46:13
Speaker 1: an incident on the field, some sort of you know,
46:15
Speaker 1: brew haha after the game, and then Argentina didn't talk
46:18
Speaker 1: to any media afterwards. I think that shit's weak. I
46:24
Speaker 1: think it's weak. I think that always, man. I think
46:27
Speaker 1: that when you when you lose in sports, you wrap
46:32
Speaker 1: up the other team and you go out there and
46:36
Speaker 1: you speak to the media afterwards. There's guys like I
46:40
Speaker 1: always respected Melo for the fact that he never ducked
46:43
Speaker 1: out of the media during the entire stint with the Knicks,
46:46
Speaker 1: even when you had, you know, the whole Phil Jackson
46:51
Speaker 1: wasn't there to be accountable, even though he was the
46:54
Speaker 1: one that was pulling all the strings, but Melo was
46:56
Speaker 1: always there to stand on his you know, stand there
46:58
Speaker 1: ten toes down and you know, be accountable. I think
47:04
Speaker 1: that shows leadership and I think it's something that we
47:06
Speaker 1: should teach kids. You gotta lose with grace. Man. Shit,
47:12
Speaker 1: we lost in a little league championship this past year
47:15
Speaker 1: and I you know, I live and die with this shit.
47:20
Speaker 1: I'm furious standing there as we're out on the field.
47:23
Speaker 1: Kids are crying and we got to stand out there
47:26
Speaker 1: and they talk to both teams, and then we get
47:28
Speaker 1: our second place you know ring, and then you know,
47:30
Speaker 1: watch the other team get their first place ring, and
47:33
Speaker 1: you know, you're out there for fifteen twenty minutes after
47:35
Speaker 1: the game. It's all the pomp and circumstance, and y'all
47:39
Speaker 1: just took that l That's part of life, and especially
47:44
Speaker 1: when you're in a situation when you're a professional and
47:48
Speaker 1: this has awarded you millions of dollars. Like to me,
47:52
Speaker 1: if I was if I was head of the NBA,
47:55
Speaker 1: if you didn't stay for postgame interview, the fine would
48:02
Speaker 1: be so heavy. Because this is what allows us to
48:07
Speaker 1: be able to have this business and do what we do.
48:10
Speaker 1: It's a. It's a contract between us and the fans
48:13
Speaker 1: and us and the TV networks that we're going to
48:15
Speaker 1: give them a certain level of access. You don't get
48:18
Speaker 1: to just be a fucking baby when you lose, shake
48:23
Speaker 1: the other fucking team's hands. And if you got media
48:28
Speaker 1: availability postgame ceremonial shit or anything like that, you gotta
48:33
Speaker 1: do fucking sit there and do it, and then after
48:36
Speaker 1: that you can be as upset and feel however you want.
48:39
Speaker 1: I think as a grown person, I think, as a
48:41
Speaker 1: person with a highly being with a highly paid job,
48:47
Speaker 1: that that's part of your responsibility.
48:49
Speaker 2: Suck at the fuck up and.
48:50
Speaker 1: Do it.
48:53
Speaker 3: Well good. The NBA does agree with you on that.
48:56
Speaker 3: They do have a fine for skipping media, but it
48:58
Speaker 3: is discretionary. Those finds typically usually started at about twenty five
49:03
Speaker 3: g's if you skip. Wemby got off during the playoffs
49:09
Speaker 3: this past year, because he's usually available and has made
49:12
Speaker 3: himself available.
49:13
Speaker 1: So it seems like, yeah, that's bullshit, see because because
49:17
Speaker 1: I know, no, fuck the first of all, they caught
49:19
Speaker 1: a Wemby to just a crazy, crazy level. And here's
49:23
Speaker 1: another one that I'm finding out that you know they're
49:25
Speaker 1: coddling him again. Fuck that bullshit. Y know, he should
49:28
Speaker 1: be fine. I don't care if he usually does it,
49:30
Speaker 1: it's not a usual thing. He didn't do it today.
49:32
Speaker 1: This is the fine. And make it more, make it
49:35
Speaker 1: fucking fifty seventy five make up. I would make it
49:37
Speaker 1: something where these guys were like, listen, if you want
49:40
Speaker 1: to give up one hundred g's to go to not
49:42
Speaker 1: talk to the to the to the to the media.
49:46
Speaker 1: All right, bet, all right, it's a hunt.
49:49
Speaker 3: It though, I believe it does escalate with each offense.
49:54
Speaker 3: But you know, it kind of would be really funny
49:56
Speaker 3: to hear if we're really talking about this about how
49:59
Speaker 3: guys spend their money. Oh man, I can't, Oh man,
50:01
Speaker 3: I have to lose all this money for skipping the media.
50:04
Speaker 3: You know, going back to our last week's conversation.
50:06
Speaker 1: Draymond talking about the bread. He's paid over four million
50:09
Speaker 1: dollars in fines and lost game checks. I've heard Clyde
50:14
Speaker 1: uh wal Clyde Fraser talk about you know, yeah, he
50:18
Speaker 1: never got a technical once in his entire career, and
50:21
Speaker 1: he said the reason he didn't was because he's not
50:23
Speaker 1: paying the money. He's not giving up that bread now,
50:29
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, dray Bond's made a ton of money
50:32
Speaker 1: in his career, but I've also recently heard him talk
50:35
Speaker 1: something about, you know, with all the money I've played
50:38
Speaker 1: and fine and stuff like that, Doug, that's on you.
50:41
Speaker 1: Draymond earned them fines. He's not. I even, you know what,
50:45
Speaker 1: I look at a guy like Rashid Wallace and even
50:49
Speaker 1: feel like he's a little bit more misunderstood. And he
50:52
Speaker 1: was one of the first, you know, after Robin, he
50:54
Speaker 1: was one of the first that just had the absolute
50:57
Speaker 1: ire of the referees and was always getting you know, texts,
51:00
Speaker 1: and some of them he earned some of them just
51:03
Speaker 1: for like looking at people and shit, And he seems
51:08
Speaker 1: a little bit misunderstood. I don't feel that way about Draymond.
51:10
Speaker 1: Raymond's well understood.
51:13
Speaker 3: Yo.
51:13
Speaker 1: Did Draymond said something this past week?
51:15
Speaker 2: I forgot.
51:16
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't throw it in the notes, so
51:18
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it when it happened.
51:19
Speaker 2: Did what did? Can you?
51:21
Speaker 1: Did Terreymond say some dumb shit this past week? I
51:23
Speaker 1: don't know. It doesn't seem like a Weeko's buy where
51:25
Speaker 1: he doesn't.
51:25
Speaker 3: It depends on what you're asking. You're talking about him
51:28
Speaker 3: trying to bring in Lebron or you're talking about him
51:30
Speaker 3: spent managing his money. So there was something about there
51:33
Speaker 3: was something about finances. There was stuff on his show
51:35
Speaker 3: about Lebron as well and making decisions. After Rashid Wallace
51:40
Speaker 3: her met though, I'm pretty sure he was the pioneer
51:43
Speaker 3: of the tech suspension. Was he probably racked up No, Rodman, No,
51:50
Speaker 3: I don't think it was Robin. I think it was
51:51
Speaker 3: Rashid Wallace who racked up so many teas. The leaguees
51:55
Speaker 3: just finally as like, okay, enough, if you get this many,
51:58
Speaker 3: you get an automatic one, you get an automatic one. Yeah.
52:01
Speaker 1: I love shet Yo.
52:02
Speaker 3: I love shet.
52:05
Speaker 1: Yo. When she was under Nicks, he was he was cooked,
52:08
Speaker 1: he was done. But he you know, he had a
52:10
Speaker 1: couple of good moments for us, the best being when
52:13
Speaker 1: you know, we were up by a bunch at one
52:15
Speaker 1: point and the crowd was chanting this name exactly New
52:17
Speaker 1: York Knicks. This ain't even like our guy, but we're
52:20
Speaker 1: out here chanting, fucking we want Sheed. And then Mike Brown,
52:24
Speaker 1: they have the audio of him been like you want
52:26
Speaker 1: to go, and he's like yeah, He's like alright, let's go,
52:28
Speaker 1: and he gets up and runs say, oh my god,
52:30
Speaker 1: the crowd goes fucking bananas. People don't understand. For Shee
52:32
Speaker 1: Wallace was in the wrong era. If she Wallace playing
52:35
Speaker 1: today's era, that motherfucker would be so goddamn good if
52:39
Speaker 1: he played in the era first of all, where from
52:40
Speaker 1: the time you're very young, you get people around you
52:43
Speaker 1: that that force you to take it very seriously. He
52:47
Speaker 1: famously would not touch a basketball the entire summer, and
52:52
Speaker 1: then would come back after not touching the basketball. And
52:55
Speaker 1: I'm talking on shit. I remember him in college obviously,
52:58
Speaker 1: but then I really remember him in Philly too. But
53:00
Speaker 1: they say, you know, especially when he's in Philly, he's
53:02
Speaker 1: just like you know, around his beat, Yo, he go chill,
53:05
Speaker 1: he's chilling, comes in, hasn't touched the basketball all summer, starts,
53:10
Speaker 1: you know, shoots a couple of threes all of a
53:12
Speaker 1: sudden's shooting like left handed threes from half court, and
53:14
Speaker 1: he's making them.
53:15
Speaker 3: Dude, get a a lot of suspensions for his text.
53:18
Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, of course he did, but they he was misunderstood,
53:21
Speaker 1: more misunderstood than fucking Draymond.
53:23
Speaker 2: Okay, he was misunderstood to a certain extent.
53:27
Speaker 1: Free Sheet. I love fucking Rashid Wallace, man, he was
53:32
Speaker 1: I see.
53:32
Speaker 3: To me.
53:34
Speaker 1: It was everybody talks about the other two. To me,
53:37
Speaker 1: it was a three person conversation. As far as and
53:40
Speaker 1: let's go four, I realize at one point in their
53:44
Speaker 1: absolute peaks the NBA power forward position, it consisted of
53:51
Speaker 1: guys like Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace, and Chris
53:56
Speaker 1: Webber at their peak, all at the same time. That
54:04
Speaker 1: shit is crazy, man. That's I mean, all guys who
54:10
Speaker 1: were multifaceted, who contributed to winning teams and in some
54:19
Speaker 1: ways changed the game and what we look at as
54:22
Speaker 1: far as the modern power forward. What a time all
54:28
Speaker 1: four of those guys. Man, listen, if young kids go
54:31
Speaker 1: fucking and everybody talks about Garnet and Duncan, Chris Weber
54:38
Speaker 1: was the man for years on a really good team,
54:42
Speaker 1: on the second best team in the entire NBA. And
54:46
Speaker 1: Sheed do not sleep on sheet. She Walls was nice, nice,
54:55
Speaker 1: very very versatile. You know, shit, we needed more shots,
55:00
Speaker 1: more threes. Wrong era, man, wrong era for sheet, wrong
55:04
Speaker 1: era for for most not Duncan. Duncan played in the
55:07
Speaker 1: perfect era that was perfect for him that time, late
55:10
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousands, he was That's that's that was
55:14
Speaker 1: the perfect era for Duncan. I would say that when
55:17
Speaker 1: it comes to when it comes to when it comes
55:21
Speaker 1: to Weber, Yes, Garnett changed the game. He changed how
55:25
Speaker 1: basketball's played from guys who were his size. And I
55:31
Speaker 1: think Chris Webber was a great passer. That Sacramento ten,
55:35
Speaker 1: that whole fucking team could pass. Jason Williams. I love
55:39
Speaker 1: watching Jason Williams in the podcast space. He's hilarious. I mean,
55:43
Speaker 1: he's got all these like you know, that's harder than
55:46
Speaker 1: trying to piss into a hot soace bottle. Like he's
55:49
Speaker 1: got all these like down fucking Southwest Virginia fucking phrases,
55:54
Speaker 1: and he's just I saw him first, like do like
56:00
Speaker 1: long form like podcast shit when he was on Flavoran
56:03
Speaker 1: with Andrew Schultzen them and it was a fantastic episode.
56:07
Speaker 1: Now I love that Arab basketball. I love Jason Williams.
56:12
Speaker 1: One of my favorite players non Nicks ever loved him,
56:15
Speaker 1: loved him, loved him from the time he came into
56:17
Speaker 1: the league. For all the reasons, the white chocolate, the
56:19
Speaker 1: Nike commercial, just the elbow pass did it all. One
56:24
Speaker 1: of the most disappointed I've ever been. I went to
56:27
Speaker 1: go see my dad got me, gave me and my
56:30
Speaker 1: boy Eric Gaston. Shot to my boy Eric Gaston, my
56:33
Speaker 1: on court running mate throughout basketball growing up. Good gas connection.
56:37
Speaker 1: You already know what it is. But we went to
56:40
Speaker 1: go see the Kings versus the Knicks. Obviously I got
56:47
Speaker 1: on the room for the Knicks, but I was excited
56:49
Speaker 1: to go out the Kobe and Jason Williams are two
56:51
Speaker 1: two players that I ever was like excited to go
56:52
Speaker 1: watch them play, even though they're playing against the Nicks.
56:54
Speaker 1: I want you to lose, but I'm excited to watch
56:56
Speaker 1: you play. Jason Williams got fucking like two techs and
57:01
Speaker 1: got tossed in like the second quarter. I was pissed.
57:04
Speaker 1: Might have been the first quarter, yo, I was pissed,
57:08
Speaker 1: but uh yeah man uh him on the whole podscast,
57:11
Speaker 1: space and everything, he says, it's great. That fucking Sacramento
57:14
Speaker 1: team was good. They got even a little bit better
57:16
Speaker 1: when they moved off from Jason Williamson went to Mike Baby,
57:19
Speaker 1: honestly more of a shot maker. But when that young
57:22
Speaker 1: Jason Williams flicking it out the pasia, fucking Vlotty with
57:26
Speaker 1: the over the headship. They you know, fucking and then
57:29
Speaker 1: Weber was great. Yo. Those teams are fucking good, man.
57:32
Speaker 3: They weren't seem as a team that should have won.
57:35
Speaker 3: And I'd be remissive. I don't talking about my guy
57:37
Speaker 3: Bobby Jackson coming off the bench.
57:40
Speaker 1: He was nice Minnesota legend, a true combo guard off
57:45
Speaker 1: the bench. Come in, pressure cooker, get you some buckets,
57:48
Speaker 1: get everybody all fired up. That fucking that that that
57:51
Speaker 1: that arena back then was crazy. Yeah, man, yeah, Rick Adelman, Yeah, man,
58:00
Speaker 1: I have no idea how we got to a love
58:03
Speaker 1: fest for the Sacramento of teams of the late nineties
58:08
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, but you know, they were
58:11
Speaker 1: great teams, and those are those teams to me kind
58:14
Speaker 1: of felt like those Knicks teams when the Bulls, even
58:17
Speaker 1: though they were in their own conference, but they were
58:19
Speaker 1: the second best team. Like the Knicks would have beaten
58:20
Speaker 1: those teams from the Western Conference if they would have
58:23
Speaker 1: just not had the Bulls to deal with every single year,
58:26
Speaker 1: they would have beaten some of those teams. But Sacramento
58:29
Speaker 1: was kind of like that. For the Lakers, no doubt.
58:33
Speaker 3: Yeah, they absolutely were the Lakers with the Kings krypt Night,
58:36
Speaker 3: and if you move it up a generation, it was
58:37
Speaker 3: like the Rockets and the Warriors few years that. You know,
58:40
Speaker 3: Rockets were arguably the second best team and second best
58:42
Speaker 3: team in the league at that point, maybe the Cavs,
58:46
Speaker 3: but they just couldn't get around the Warriors. They'd run
58:48
Speaker 3: the Warriors, and the Warriors would smack them down.
58:51
Speaker 1: I hear you. But they still had James Harden, so
58:55
Speaker 1: you know, even if they were able to get past
58:56
Speaker 1: the Warriors, they would have found a way to suck
58:58
Speaker 1: it up. Scatterby. What's up with your boy? Man? What's
59:03
Speaker 1: up with your boy? Your your your fellow Arizona State alum,
59:09
Speaker 1: the current running back for the Giants, who is on
59:11
Speaker 1: the shelf after a horrific leg injury ankle injury last
59:16
Speaker 1: year and now he's on stage in jeans doing backflips
59:20
Speaker 1: with a sketchy landing. Is what is going on?
59:24
Speaker 3: The guy never learned? Uh, I mean, the guy is
59:28
Speaker 3: always gonna be himself, you know, not even long after
59:30
Speaker 3: the injury itself happened. This dude's sitting on like Xbox
59:34
Speaker 3: Live playing a video game, asking about how you meet
59:36
Speaker 3: a taco a couple of weeks later, he's in a
59:39
Speaker 3: WWV event on his ankle scooter and now he's at
59:43
Speaker 3: Fanatics Fast trying to do a backflip, and he said
59:45
Speaker 3: he's never gonna change. I don't know what to make
59:48
Speaker 3: of it, but John Harball had a funny quote to
59:50
Speaker 3: they say, dude, just stick the.
59:51
Speaker 2: Landing, right if you're gonna do.
59:54
Speaker 1: If you do that and you stick the landing, people
59:56
Speaker 1: feel a lot better about it than if you don't.
1:00:00
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson a couple of years ago, after we lost to.
1:00:05
Speaker 1: It wasn't last season, it was the season before after
1:00:08
Speaker 1: we lost to Indiana him and because Aliburn's a big
1:00:11
Speaker 1: wrestling guy too, and they had their beef and whatever.
1:00:13
Speaker 1: And at one point Brunson had his right hand they
1:00:16
Speaker 1: had just had surgery on and as he was getting
1:00:18
Speaker 1: to the ring, he put it in a very awkward
1:00:20
Speaker 1: position and put some weight on it, and I was like,
1:00:21
Speaker 1: JBO two and this is even worse.
1:00:25
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel the same way about Skataboo man. He
1:00:28
Speaker 3: was having such a good season too until he got hurt.
1:00:30
Speaker 3: He ripped that number one job for the Giants almost immediately,
1:00:35
Speaker 3: like it took that one little flare, that little swing
1:00:38
Speaker 3: patch out of the flat and for him to run
1:00:40
Speaker 3: a dude for six yards to be like, Okay, this
1:00:42
Speaker 3: is the guy that's not Tyron Tracy. Obviously the injury
1:00:45
Speaker 3: happened and they're expecting some pretty big things from him
1:00:48
Speaker 3: at DARTH this year. So yeah, I just gotta watch
1:00:50
Speaker 3: himself and be careful. Yeah, as you said, chill, yeah.
1:00:54
Speaker 1: Man, come on, man, let's go scataboo like I, meandde
1:00:57
Speaker 1: you got a lot in front of you right now.
1:00:58
Speaker 2: The Giants gotta upstart.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: They got a brand new coach, they got you know,
1:01:02
Speaker 1: they got some shit going right now. Like I get it. Obviously,
1:01:06
Speaker 1: Look if he's doing that, then clearly in his workouts
1:01:09
Speaker 1: the things he's doing and you know, I'm sure he's
1:01:12
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's pulled off some backflips before and pulled
1:01:14
Speaker 1: him off and done him well, and everything's going okay.
1:01:16
Speaker 1: I just you know, I think that we could go
1:01:19
Speaker 1: I personally, I think we should all go ahead and
1:01:20
Speaker 1: just eliminate the backflip all together. And you know, you're
1:01:23
Speaker 1: not a gymnast. I've seen UFC dudes, I've seen NFL guys,
1:01:28
Speaker 1: I've seen college guys. You know, get hurt in their celebrations,
1:01:33
Speaker 1: flips and jumping up on the cages and running into
1:01:36
Speaker 1: you know, stanchions and shit. Come on, it's a fucking chill.
1:01:41
Speaker 1: I just think that, like if I was, if I
1:01:42
Speaker 1: was a Giants fan, that shit would piss me off.
1:01:45
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Yo, what the fuck are you doing?
1:01:48
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure that Harball's conversation with
1:01:51
Speaker 1: him was not as a glib and uh you know
1:01:55
Speaker 1: fun as the quote that we saw from him today.
1:02:00
Speaker 1: The Mets do not trade for Cisco Lindor. I'm so
1:02:04
Speaker 1: tired of this fucking discourse all over the place where
1:02:07
Speaker 1: people talking about I mean, he's got the second best
1:02:09
Speaker 1: war or like the third best war in the entire
1:02:11
Speaker 1: majors since twenty twenty one. I come on, what are
1:02:14
Speaker 1: we doing. There's not a bunch of shortstops out there
1:02:18
Speaker 1: hanging from trees, especially ones who have had huge clutch
1:02:21
Speaker 1: moments like he has for us. And yeah, I don't
1:02:25
Speaker 1: want to give this too much, too much air. I
1:02:27
Speaker 1: just really hope that Sterns isn't that stupid. But I
1:02:31
Speaker 1: have no evidence right now that Stern's is not a
1:02:34
Speaker 1: fucking idiot you sent me something about Reggie Miller says
1:02:39
Speaker 1: he takes Kobe over Lebron. I did not catch this
1:02:42
Speaker 1: at all. Catch me up.
1:02:44
Speaker 3: So Reggie Miller the other day was talking about who
1:02:47
Speaker 3: he would have on, you know, Kobe or Lebron. Just
1:02:51
Speaker 3: pulling up. He said he basically views Kobe as a
1:02:54
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan clone who perfected as fundamentals to become Mike
1:02:58
Speaker 3: on steroids, and he ranked cod as the second greatest
1:03:01
Speaker 3: player ever over Lebron. Okay, okay, I know you don't
1:03:06
Speaker 3: like Reggie over very much that I feel like this
1:03:08
Speaker 3: is something with him you could get behind.
1:03:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, fuck Reggie, but I agree with him on this.
1:03:12
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:03:13
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think that when we
1:03:16
Speaker 1: when we're getting into the nitty gritty of the greatest
1:03:19
Speaker 1: ever you have, you have to take a step back
1:03:27
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, first of all, if you if you
1:03:31
Speaker 1: end up being called the third best ever or the
1:03:33
Speaker 1: fourth best ever or whatever, you know, I don't really
1:03:36
Speaker 1: think that that should feel like such just like a
1:03:41
Speaker 1: like a horrible like you know, like just like, oh,
1:03:44
Speaker 1: like it's such disrespect. Lebron is the only one who
1:03:48
Speaker 1: consistently wants to get out there in front of everybody
1:03:51
Speaker 1: and say that he's the best ever. Jordan doesn't say
1:03:54
Speaker 1: that shit. Bird and Magic don't say that shit. Kareem
1:03:57
Speaker 1: doesn't say that shit. Wilt Chamberlain didn't say that. Bill
1:04:02
Speaker 1: Russell didn't say that. Lebron's the only one that gets
1:04:05
Speaker 1: out there and wants to scream it for everybody to hear. Personally,
1:04:11
Speaker 1: I like to limit discussions to things I've seen, but
1:04:18
Speaker 1: I think that if you look at just like the
1:04:20
Speaker 1: lore of them and overall career, I think you could
1:04:23
Speaker 1: make arguments for the Larry Birds and for the Kareems,
1:04:27
Speaker 1: and for the Magics being better than Lebron that whole
1:04:34
Speaker 1: you know, being with one or two teams winning a
1:04:37
Speaker 1: lot of championships with that one team, there's something to
1:04:42
Speaker 1: be said for that that Lebron doesn't have and he
1:04:45
Speaker 1: never will. So to me, I think that you know,
1:04:52
Speaker 1: that puts him out of that conversation. For me personally,
1:04:55
Speaker 1: just in players that I've ever seen play in my lifetime,
1:05:03
Speaker 1: I would have to definitely go Jordan number one. Number
1:05:07
Speaker 1: two see and this is something that almost nobody agrees
1:05:12
Speaker 1: with me.
1:05:12
Speaker 2: Number two.
1:05:13
Speaker 1: For me, players that I've seen in my lifetime, it's
1:05:15
Speaker 1: a kim Olaijuan A Keem was otherworldly. And again another
1:05:24
Speaker 1: guy who played in the wrong era, and another guy
1:05:27
Speaker 1: who if he if he would have played in a
1:05:32
Speaker 1: different era, who knows where his game could have went
1:05:34
Speaker 1: because he did so many things on the floor. Led
1:05:36
Speaker 1: the NBA in blocks and assists, I'm sorry, blocks and
1:05:40
Speaker 1: steals in the same season, which is unheard of and honestly,
1:05:48
Speaker 1: probably should have been a little bit more selfish and
1:05:49
Speaker 1: you need to put up way bigger, you know, like
1:05:51
Speaker 1: scoring numbers. But he played within the offense. But I mean,
1:05:54
Speaker 1: just absolutely fantastic player to me, honestly, there's a part
1:06:02
Speaker 1: of me that wants to rank Tim Duncan ahead of
1:06:03
Speaker 1: Lebron as far as players I've seen play all with
1:06:09
Speaker 1: one team five chips, got chips with like two different
1:06:14
Speaker 1: eras of teams, similar to Kobe, and just gave you
1:06:19
Speaker 1: exactly what you needed all the time, every time. In
1:06:24
Speaker 1: the clutch. Game evolved a little bit with that second
1:06:30
Speaker 1: unit where you know he's with Manu and when he's
1:06:32
Speaker 1: with Parker as opposed to when he's one of the
1:06:34
Speaker 1: Twin Towers with David Robinson. Yeah, man, you know I
1:06:39
Speaker 1: got Timmy O Lebron just all time player. I think
1:06:45
Speaker 1: all time player is not just how skilled one player.
1:06:47
Speaker 1: Lebron is the most skilled person ever touched basketball as
1:06:51
Speaker 1: far as the array of different things that he has
1:06:53
Speaker 1: been able to be one of the absolute best in
1:06:55
Speaker 1: the league and during his career. Okay, that being said,
1:06:59
Speaker 1: I don't use that to measure when I talk about
1:07:03
Speaker 1: greatest best player.
1:07:06
Speaker 3: I think with Grant's best player, winning has to factor
1:07:09
Speaker 3: into that too.
1:07:10
Speaker 2: I have Lebron's got four chips though, so he do.
1:07:13
Speaker 3: But he also got bodied by j. J. Burray and
1:07:15
Speaker 3: disappeared in the final, which you can You can't say
1:07:17
Speaker 3: the same for the other guys that you've mentioned. Which
1:07:20
Speaker 3: is my favorite argument to share with you because I
1:07:22
Speaker 3: know you and I both agree on I have a question.
1:07:24
Speaker 1: It kills the Jordan argument. It kills the Jordan argument.
1:07:27
Speaker 1: You can never argue Lebron versus Jordan because there is
1:07:30
Speaker 1: no twenty eleven finals for Jordan ever in his life,
1:07:33
Speaker 1: in his career.
1:07:33
Speaker 3: Not close. Where are you putting steps Yeah.
1:07:44
Speaker 2: It's Stephan Is.
1:07:45
Speaker 1: I think I think Steph's had a better career than
1:07:48
Speaker 1: Lebron James. Now, if we're talking about.
1:07:49
Speaker 2: Greatest player of all time.
1:07:51
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can say that's a tough
1:07:56
Speaker 1: one man. For as all the reasons I just said,
1:07:58
Speaker 1: it should be Steph, right, I should say Stephan over Bron.
1:08:03
Speaker 2: Steph is one of the Okay, so this is the difference.
1:08:06
Speaker 1: To me, I've never got a chance to see Steph
1:08:10
Speaker 1: play on a team where the team was shit and
1:08:12
Speaker 1: he had to fucking just make something out of nothing,
1:08:16
Speaker 1: even if like like, Steph never even had like the
1:08:18
Speaker 1: times where you know, he got the teams in the
1:08:21
Speaker 1: deep playoff runs but they weren't able to win. Just
1:08:25
Speaker 1: because of his heliocentric and just overall dominance and greatness,
1:08:31
Speaker 1: Steph has been in a good position his entire career.
1:08:35
Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna actually push back on
1:08:37
Speaker 3: this one a little bit too, because if you look
1:08:39
Speaker 3: at their runs in thirteen and fourteen, Clay hadn't become
1:08:42
Speaker 3: what he became yet, Draymond had not become what he
1:08:45
Speaker 3: became at that point. He was coming up a bench
1:08:47
Speaker 3: for those first couple of playoff runs and.
1:08:49
Speaker 1: Steph playing behind David Lee.
1:08:51
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, but still it was Steph's brilliant and his
1:08:54
Speaker 3: shooting that at least you know, got them through a round,
1:08:57
Speaker 3: round and a half and then twenty two was run.
1:09:01
Speaker 3: I mean it was Steph dragging them a lot of knights.
1:09:04
Speaker 3: Even you know, Jordan Poole had Knights where he'd have it,
1:09:07
Speaker 3: he didn't have it. But it was Steph night after
1:09:09
Speaker 3: night after night, with the exception of a game or
1:09:11
Speaker 3: two where he didn't in the past couple of years,
1:09:14
Speaker 3: especially if you look at that playing game against the Clippers,
1:09:17
Speaker 3: it was him. It was step dragging the Warriors every
1:09:21
Speaker 3: night because you never knew what was going to show
1:09:24
Speaker 3: up from them the last couple of years. So that's
1:09:26
Speaker 3: my little push back there.
1:09:29
Speaker 1: I Okay, everything you just said is legit, no doubt.
1:09:34
Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you is that none of those
1:09:39
Speaker 1: rosters that he played on, and Steph definitely has times
1:09:42
Speaker 1: where he carries the warrior. Steph is I mean, he's
1:09:45
Speaker 1: fucking Steph. None of those rosters that he ever played
1:09:48
Speaker 1: on had Zajunis Ilgauskas is the second best player that
1:09:56
Speaker 1: that that team, that six evan Cavs team where you know,
1:10:03
Speaker 1: we were trying to talk about the contributions of Larry Hughes.
1:10:10
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Donielle Mitchell. This is not a let's
1:10:15
Speaker 1: let's he's no, none of those teams are ever the
1:10:17
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's a young Clay and David Lee.
1:10:20
Speaker 1: He Lebron would have loved fucking David Lee back then.
1:10:25
Speaker 1: Not quite, not quite those teams.
1:10:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, that Stephan Catherine was insane. Don't forget Booby Gibson either.
1:10:31
Speaker 1: Booby Yo, that's like that's that ship where where Larry
1:10:36
Speaker 1: Bird said like he doesn't he doesn't trade for any
1:10:38
Speaker 1: players that used to play with Lebron. And he's like,
1:10:40
Speaker 1: because they're not as good as you think they are.
1:10:42
Speaker 1: Damon Jones, these types of guys like they're not as
1:10:46
Speaker 1: good when they get away from Bron.
1:10:48
Speaker 3: Say, I wonder how David Jones is doing right now,
1:10:53
Speaker 3: him and Chauncey and our boy gil.
1:10:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. So look, I think that with Damon Jones,
1:11:00
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear that he's willing to flip.
1:11:02
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, what do y'all need to know? So
1:11:05
Speaker 1: I think he'll be all right, he'll you know and whatever,
1:11:07
Speaker 1: and you know. And I think Gilbert he was sitting
1:11:10
Speaker 1: there and then out of there pretty quick, So I
1:11:13
Speaker 1: think he might be willing to flip as well, and
1:11:15
Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure, So I want to
1:11:17
Speaker 1: put that on my man, gil Gilbert, who you know,
1:11:20
Speaker 1: I've I've exchanged some d MS with him back in
1:11:24
Speaker 1: the day. I put that in the chat, yeah, our chat,
1:11:29
Speaker 1: our chat p P, you know, us talking about him,
1:11:32
Speaker 1: and he put it onto his story a while back.
1:11:34
Speaker 1: Me you know, I you know, I'm getting back to,
1:11:37
Speaker 1: you know, being all right with Gillers for a minute. Man, listen,
1:11:40
Speaker 1: I still, in my opinion, he owes Karl Anthony towns A,
1:11:45
Speaker 1: he owes him an apology. I think that he came
1:11:48
Speaker 1: out and he said something about him that was beyond
1:11:50
Speaker 1: a level of disrespectful. And I know that he kind
1:11:53
Speaker 1: of he kind of he's in that space of getting
1:11:55
Speaker 1: you know, kind of I think kind of clip farming
1:11:58
Speaker 1: and being and trying to be you know, flammatory to
1:12:01
Speaker 1: get attention. And I just think the way he came
1:12:04
Speaker 1: a Cat, and especially with the way that you know,
1:12:07
Speaker 1: Cat performed at the end of the season throughout the
1:12:09
Speaker 1: finals against the Golden Boy. And I've heard him give
1:12:13
Speaker 1: Cat props. I've heard him give Cat props for the
1:12:17
Speaker 1: way that he's played. I haven't heard him say yeah,
1:12:21
Speaker 1: that shit I said. Not only was it a little
1:12:22
Speaker 1: bit out of line for me to say it, period,
1:12:25
Speaker 1: but on top of that, he is just soundly proved
1:12:29
Speaker 1: me wrong. I would like that from Gil, I would,
1:12:34
Speaker 1: but uh yeah, ok again where this all started. Kobe
1:12:39
Speaker 1: over Lebron, I think absolutely, I think that. I think
1:12:41
Speaker 1: that Lebron is a better basketball player than anybody I've
1:12:46
Speaker 1: ever seen. But I think will how your career goes,
1:12:56
Speaker 1: just your overall persona, personality, clutch, gene, all of those
1:13:01
Speaker 1: things are factors when we talk about greatest players ever.
1:13:05
Speaker 1: I think, honestly, you know, one of the things that
1:13:07
Speaker 1: I think is really missing from Steph's resume is the
1:13:11
Speaker 1: dominant finals with huge buckets down the clutch in multiple games.
1:13:18
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty two Finals mvp A. Game four was an
1:13:22
Speaker 3: all timer forty three in Boston. Baby, what a game
1:13:27
Speaker 3: that was. In Game six when they went on that
1:13:29
Speaker 3: crazy run twenty one nothing run to basically ice that
1:13:32
Speaker 3: in the second quorder. Yeah, now, step Bath.
1:13:35
Speaker 1: Is again I think, listen, all those things are true.
1:13:40
Speaker 1: I don't think that's that's not the good Again, we're
1:13:43
Speaker 1: talking about the tops at the top, the best of
1:13:47
Speaker 1: the best. I don't think he has the signature late
1:13:52
Speaker 1: game moments in the playoffs in the finals as much
1:13:56
Speaker 1: as Jordan, as much as a Kobe, as much as
1:14:01
Speaker 1: a Jalen Brunson. He doesn't. He doesn't. And you know
1:14:05
Speaker 1: that twenty two, twenty two did a lot for Steph
1:14:08
Speaker 1: and his overall, like you know, when it comes to
1:14:11
Speaker 1: this conversation, because prior to that, he had a lot
1:14:15
Speaker 1: of times where he quite frankly, you know, kind of
1:14:19
Speaker 1: came up small, small as the wrong war came up
1:14:22
Speaker 1: short because came up small. He didn't, he didn't shrink
1:14:24
Speaker 1: from the moment, but he came up so he came
1:14:25
Speaker 1: up short in moments in the finals.
1:14:28
Speaker 2: So I feel like.
1:14:31
Speaker 1: Even even bron has had some more signature late game
1:14:37
Speaker 1: moments in the playoffs and in the finals than Steph has.
1:14:41
Speaker 1: In my opinion, some of those against Steph honestly.
1:14:44
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't disagree with that.
1:14:46
Speaker 3: And if you look at even some of those finals
1:14:48
Speaker 3: that the Warriors won, it was Kad who had the
1:14:51
Speaker 3: big signature moments, especially at seven and teen eighteen. He
1:14:54
Speaker 3: hit the two big shots in Game three of both
1:14:56
Speaker 3: those series to effectively put.
1:14:58
Speaker 1: The Castley in This is what I mean when I
1:15:01
Speaker 1: say that as great as Steph has been, he's always
1:15:04
Speaker 1: had a stacked deck. To a certain extent, he's been
1:15:07
Speaker 1: he's won four finals and he's only won one finals MVP.
1:15:14
Speaker 1: You know, Eguadala wins one, KD wins two and then
1:15:19
Speaker 1: he gets that last one.
1:15:20
Speaker 2: And I mean, that's what I'm saying.
1:15:22
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, if Lebron's on a team in the finals,
1:15:25
Speaker 1: he's you know, especially during his prime, he's winning finals
1:15:28
Speaker 1: MVP definitely.
1:15:30
Speaker 3: Although in sixteen always says this, I always thought I
1:15:33
Speaker 3: should have won the finals MVP that year, sause they
1:15:35
Speaker 3: don't get they don't make that comeback without his games.
1:15:40
Speaker 3: There are a couple of games where he had forty
1:15:43
Speaker 3: in there and obviously if a shot to clinch that series.
1:15:48
Speaker 2: Huge shot, couple of big games.
1:15:53
Speaker 1: That's that's equadala block, right, That's that is that that year,
1:15:57
Speaker 1: that's the one. Okay, so the biggest, like a seminal,
1:16:02
Speaker 1: huge moment. I mean, like you know, that's the yeah,
1:16:06
Speaker 1: og for a second peaked into the to the finals
1:16:11
Speaker 1: MVP race conversation because of you know, what he was
1:16:15
Speaker 1: doing on both ends, but having also that huge moment.
1:16:19
Speaker 1: But Lebron.
1:16:21
Speaker 2: What year Finals?
1:16:22
Speaker 3: Is that sixteen?
1:16:25
Speaker 1: Lebron's sixteen Final stats. I think it's one of those
1:16:28
Speaker 1: things where Lebron's stats were so overwhelming that you could
1:16:31
Speaker 1: not make them the the what's his name the MVP,
1:16:37
Speaker 1: because yeah, when you average twenty you have twenty nine
1:16:40
Speaker 1: point seven points, eleven point three rebounds, eight point nine
1:16:43
Speaker 1: er says, two point six steals in two point three
1:16:45
Speaker 1: blocks per game, you cannot give the MVP to anybody else.
1:16:49
Speaker 1: I don't know a fuck. What moments they had, one
1:16:51
Speaker 1: of the big games they had, those those those those
1:16:54
Speaker 1: numbers are too dominant.
1:16:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kyrie in that in those final three games of
1:16:59
Speaker 3: the Final, forty one twenty three and twenty six points
1:17:02
Speaker 3: respectively on to six rebounds and uh like six assists.
1:17:08
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, three rebounds, six assists in game five, three assists,
1:17:12
Speaker 3: four boards. In game six, only one assist and uh
1:17:16
Speaker 3: six and six boards in game seven.
1:17:19
Speaker 1: Oh, game seven, he was he was shooting. Yeah, he's
1:17:22
Speaker 1: putting up, He's putting them from me. He was, and
1:17:24
Speaker 1: he was, I mean, come on, he had the biggest shot,
1:17:27
Speaker 1: the biggest shot. But you know, also, you know Lebron's
1:17:30
Speaker 1: averaging over six stocks in that no, just about six
1:17:35
Speaker 1: four point no, yeah, okay, two point six was all right,
1:17:39
Speaker 1: So two point six steals two point three blocks. I
1:17:42
Speaker 1: mean he was dominating on both ends of the floor,
1:17:44
Speaker 1: was guarding Steph a lot. Had the block on Steph
1:17:47
Speaker 1: where he looked at Steph and talked ship. That was
1:17:49
Speaker 1: one of the few times I was like, there this
1:17:51
Speaker 1: is That was that version Lebron. If he was that
1:17:54
Speaker 1: version all the time, he'd be he'd be closer to
1:17:57
Speaker 1: Kobe and Michael. He'd be closer, all right. So last thing,
1:18:05
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1:18:07
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Speaker 1: consistent as we can with our busy lives. But yeah, man,
1:18:39
Speaker 1: so yesterday it came out that there was gonna be
1:18:44
Speaker 1: some ESPN layoffs, and the first one that we learned
1:18:48
Speaker 1: about is probably the most prominent, and that is Ryan Clark.
1:18:55
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different there's a lot of different
1:18:58
Speaker 1: aspects of this that I've interesting, fascinating, somewhat sad, a
1:19:05
Speaker 1: little bit upsetting, and so we're gonna we're gonna start
1:19:09
Speaker 1: off first and foremost with the way that it happened.
1:19:12
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark was live on NFL Live, the recently Emmy
1:19:18
Speaker 1: nominated NFL Live, which he's an integral part of. He
1:19:24
Speaker 1: was live on set and during a commercial break, somebody
1:19:27
Speaker 1: came over and let him know that he was being
1:19:30
Speaker 1: let go. So then he then, you know, didn't finish
1:19:37
Speaker 1: the show. Obviously, I can't see why you would, you know,
1:19:42
Speaker 1: got out of there. I have heard a few different
1:19:47
Speaker 1: excuses for why this has happened. That they were going
1:19:50
Speaker 1: to try and let him know that that the plan
1:19:52
Speaker 1: was to let him know this morning Tuesday morning, but
1:19:56
Speaker 1: that it leaked and it got out, and they wanted
1:19:59
Speaker 1: to make sure that that he didn't find out via
1:20:01
Speaker 1: social media or you know, somebody reaching out to let
1:20:04
Speaker 1: him know what they had seen, as opposed to hearing
1:20:08
Speaker 1: directly from his superiors at ESPN. I don't know exactly
1:20:14
Speaker 1: what happened here, how exactly that it ended up playing
1:20:17
Speaker 1: out the way that it did. I would like to
1:20:19
Speaker 1: hope that that part is not was not something that
1:20:22
Speaker 1: anybody in ESPN wanted to do. There wasn't anything mean
1:20:26
Speaker 1: spirited about it, regardless it's bullshit. I mean, come on, man,
1:20:33
Speaker 1: you have this guy come in, get dressed, get prepared,
1:20:39
Speaker 1: sit through you know, hair and makeup and shit, and
1:20:43
Speaker 1: during a commercial you walk up to him and let
1:20:48
Speaker 1: him know that he's been canned. That that shit is crazy.
1:20:55
Speaker 1: That shit is crazy. Whatever transpired that led to that
1:21:00
Speaker 1: being the outcome, led to that being the way that
1:21:04
Speaker 1: Clark found out about this, and whoever is responsible for it,
1:21:10
Speaker 1: their job should be in jeopardy, and at the very
1:21:14
Speaker 1: least there should be an investigation internally on how exactly
1:21:25
Speaker 1: did we get to this. Maybe you know, you guys
1:21:30
Speaker 1: are having too many leaks, too many people know the information.
1:21:36
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, they knew they
1:21:39
Speaker 1: were going to fire him obviously if it got out,
1:21:43
Speaker 1: So at that point I don't understand why you want
1:21:46
Speaker 1: to wait until Tuesday morning as opposed to just letting
1:21:49
Speaker 1: him know Sunday Night. Very unfortunate the way that Ryan
1:21:54
Speaker 1: Clark was done there. I also, you know, when I
1:21:58
Speaker 1: first saw this, I made a mistake of looking at
1:22:01
Speaker 1: some of the comments underneath the announcement that he had
1:22:05
Speaker 1: been fired, and it is just full of people that also,
1:22:11
Speaker 1: you know, have the four letters in their bio that
1:22:20
Speaker 1: I'm sure you can put together, and all of them
1:22:24
Speaker 1: are talking about what a race bader he is and
1:22:27
Speaker 1: you know, good riddance. I mean, it was overwhelming. I
1:22:33
Speaker 1: had to catch myself after I don't know how exactly
1:22:35
Speaker 1: how long I spent kind of scrolling and looking at
1:22:38
Speaker 1: him and being like, ah, Jesus, okay, all right, that's enough,
1:22:40
Speaker 1: get out of here.
1:22:45
Speaker 3: I think a lot of it, a lot of the
1:22:47
Speaker 3: hate comments to stem from Clay Travis really amplifying it
1:22:51
Speaker 3: and celebrating it, because honestly, he is in that group,
1:22:55
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of people in that group who
1:22:58
Speaker 3: look to him as a media personality too, you know,
1:23:01
Speaker 3: take direction. So him amplifying that really made that a thing.
1:23:08
Speaker 3: And I heard it from people who I know in
1:23:10
Speaker 3: that camp as well, who are the only they were
1:23:12
Speaker 3: only talking about him, but they weren't really willing to
1:23:15
Speaker 3: talk about the other people who were being let go either,
1:23:17
Speaker 3: So there was some let's just say it was a
1:23:21
Speaker 3: very poorly failed attempt to sufflict ship.
1:23:25
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And you know, I do think there is
1:23:27
Speaker 1: a lot of coded language and a lot of feelings
1:23:31
Speaker 1: that have to do with the fact that Ryan Clark
1:23:34
Speaker 1: is a proud black man who, whenever he feels appropriate,
1:23:40
Speaker 1: is willing to bring up issues that he thinks that
1:23:46
Speaker 1: race play a factor in. And like Klay Travis, the
1:23:51
Speaker 1: little I know about him, fuck him. He's a piece
1:23:53
Speaker 1: of shit. But uh, and I really don't and I
1:23:56
Speaker 1: don't know that much about the guy. I truthfully at
1:23:59
Speaker 1: this point in my life. I don't.
1:24:02
Speaker 2: I don't hate scroll, I don't. I don't consume stuff that.
1:24:07
Speaker 1: I try my best to find people who don't necessarily
1:24:12
Speaker 1: agree with everything that I do, but talk about things intelligently.
1:24:16
Speaker 1: But people who clearly their entire goal is just to
1:24:22
Speaker 1: be inflammatory and get attention as opposed to learn and
1:24:26
Speaker 1: inform or even have fun. I just I can't put
1:24:32
Speaker 1: time into him. I can't. I can't this part of
1:24:33
Speaker 1: my life. But my interesting that for me, the Ryan
1:24:40
Speaker 1: Clark thing is interesting because I don't always I I Okay.
1:24:46
Speaker 2: I liked Ryan Clark as a player.
1:24:47
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot once he first started going
1:24:49
Speaker 1: off and he started doing stuff on TV, before he
1:24:51
Speaker 1: even stopped being a player, I was like, this guy
1:24:53
Speaker 1: is good at this. He's glib, you know, he's a
1:24:54
Speaker 1: well dressed, you know, good looking guy, well put together,
1:24:57
Speaker 1: and he comes up here and he knows what the
1:24:58
Speaker 1: fuck he's talking about. And there's a lot of people
1:25:01
Speaker 1: that almost anything that's on ESPN, they're going to dislike
1:25:07
Speaker 1: anything that's on DESPN. It's become it's become like uncool
1:25:11
Speaker 1: at this point, especially if you consider yourself the least
1:25:15
Speaker 1: bit alternative. It's like, you know, fuck those guys at ESPN. Man,
1:25:21
Speaker 1: there is that that That's definitely something that exists. And
1:25:27
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't necessarily care for Ryan Clark
1:25:31
Speaker 1: just because they don't like his style and the way
1:25:32
Speaker 1: that he delivers things. They want journalists to be very
1:25:35
Speaker 1: dry and boring, and they don't want them to have
1:25:38
Speaker 1: any like sort of bizazz in the way that they
1:25:41
Speaker 1: do it. A lot of people they don't like him because,
1:25:44
Speaker 1: like I said, he's always willing to bring up when
1:25:46
Speaker 1: things are race and they can when things are affected
1:25:50
Speaker 1: by race, and they consider that to be race baiting.
1:25:53
Speaker 1: I've never understood, especially in situations, and I've dealt with
1:25:59
Speaker 1: this in my own personal life, where it's like you
1:26:01
Speaker 1: know me, you know who I am, you know my
1:26:04
Speaker 1: friend group, you know what my marriage and my household
1:26:08
Speaker 1: look like. If I'm saying to you that I think
1:26:11
Speaker 1: that something is affected by, influenced by, or race is
1:26:22
Speaker 1: at play in what is happening here as opposed to
1:26:29
Speaker 1: going to well you make everything about race, take a
1:26:34
Speaker 1: second and try to understand why I feel that way,
1:26:38
Speaker 1: because clearly, again if you look at the people around me,
1:26:44
Speaker 1: you can see that I'm not making decisions based on race,
1:26:48
Speaker 1: because it's all ends of the spectrum.
1:26:52
Speaker 3: And so.
1:26:54
Speaker 1: I always have a hard time with people who are
1:26:56
Speaker 1: unwilling to just stop and wonder why it is that
1:26:59
Speaker 1: this guy feels this way, and with him specifically, I
1:27:04
Speaker 1: think that an interesting element of how I feel when
1:27:09
Speaker 1: it comes to Ryan Clark is that he at one
1:27:14
Speaker 1: point did something that I really disagreed with when he
1:27:21
Speaker 1: went at RG three for and saying that like basically
1:27:27
Speaker 1: like he can't have those conversations, he's not having those
1:27:30
Speaker 1: conversations about what this effect is on a black woman
1:27:33
Speaker 1: and what that you know, what the plight of her
1:27:35
Speaker 1: and dealing with playing in this league, and and and
1:27:38
Speaker 1: how things are covered between her and Caitlyn Clark and
1:27:40
Speaker 1: all those He he can't, you know, he's not having
1:27:43
Speaker 1: those conversations at home because maybe you know, may you
1:27:48
Speaker 1: know because he married because he's.
1:27:49
Speaker 2: Married to a white woman.
1:27:51
Speaker 1: I'm married to a white woman. Okay. Ryan Clark also
1:27:56
Speaker 1: has a kid with a white woman. It's not a
1:28:00
Speaker 1: woman he's married to, but he is a kid with
1:28:01
Speaker 1: the white woe. And uh, he came out with this
1:28:09
Speaker 1: and made this and and you know, and and and
1:28:11
Speaker 1: and and made this statement. And then there was a
1:28:13
Speaker 1: clip put up of it, and I commented on it.
1:28:19
Speaker 1: He commented back. He and I DMed each other, and
1:28:25
Speaker 1: he first and foremost, because my whole thing was listen,
1:28:29
Speaker 1: I got a black mother, I got a black sister,
1:28:32
Speaker 1: plenty of black women in my in my family and
1:28:34
Speaker 1: otherwise that I love and respect, and I very much
1:28:42
Speaker 1: care about their plight. I very very much try my
1:28:45
Speaker 1: best to see things through their lens and am sensitive
1:28:50
Speaker 1: to the things that they deal with and go through.
1:28:53
Speaker 1: I don't think that because you decide to marry somebody
1:28:56
Speaker 1: out of your race, that that is you deciding to
1:28:59
Speaker 1: totally aband and in your race. And anybody who knows
1:29:02
Speaker 1: me and it spends any time around me, you know,
1:29:05
Speaker 1: they can tell you that I'm still very much in
1:29:09
Speaker 1: touch with my blackness, and it's still something that's very
1:29:12
Speaker 1: important to me. And it's something that I make all
1:29:14
Speaker 1: my biracial children understand and make sure that they are
1:29:19
Speaker 1: in touch with, and especially as they get older, will
1:29:23
Speaker 1: continue to have conversations with them and make them understand
1:29:26
Speaker 1: who and what they are and what they come from
1:29:28
Speaker 1: on both sides. But we live in America, so how
1:29:33
Speaker 1: they're viewed by Greater America is something that they got
1:29:38
Speaker 1: to understand as well. Nobody calls Obama the biracial president,
1:29:47
Speaker 1: but you know, he points that he later made he
1:29:53
Speaker 1: made to me in this as far as just how
1:29:58
Speaker 1: it's not just about it. I think that he should
1:30:01
Speaker 1: have done a better job of defining and sharing some
1:30:05
Speaker 1: of the things that he had experienced with Robert Griffin
1:30:08
Speaker 1: before he just made it about like, well, you have
1:30:10
Speaker 1: a white wife. You can't say this yeah, or what
1:30:13
Speaker 1: do you know because you're married to a white woman.
1:30:15
Speaker 1: That's how it came off, and he explained it more later,
1:30:18
Speaker 1: and he apologized later for the how he handled it
1:30:23
Speaker 1: again again, I always respect the dude who can when
1:30:26
Speaker 1: he does some shit wrong, says some shit wrong, be like,
1:30:28
Speaker 1: you know what, I fucked up on that, and I
1:30:29
Speaker 1: made a mistake. It's one of the things that we
1:30:31
Speaker 1: all have to learn as we grow up, especially as men.
1:30:35
Speaker 1: But that is when you've made a mistake. I do
1:30:41
Speaker 1: not give out frivolous apologies at all if I don't
1:30:44
Speaker 1: feel like I've made a mistake. Fuck that, I'm not
1:30:46
Speaker 1: saying sorry, no, but uh, I just thought.
1:30:53
Speaker 2: In this situation that he could have handled a little
1:30:55
Speaker 2: bit better.
1:30:56
Speaker 1: But yo, he has no idea who the fuck I am,
1:30:58
Speaker 1: and he decided to have a discourse with me about it.
1:31:00
Speaker 2: To me, that says a lot about the type of
1:31:02
Speaker 2: dude that he is.
1:31:03
Speaker 1: And he even said in his response to my the
1:31:07
Speaker 1: comment that I made, he was like, all right, no doubt,
1:31:10
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have brushed it with such a you know,
1:31:13
Speaker 1: a broad stroke where I'm saying that you know, you
1:31:16
Speaker 1: know you can't. You can't. Basically, you can't be in
1:31:19
Speaker 1: an interracial relationship once that happens, and you basically have
1:31:22
Speaker 1: to stop having opinions on anything that has to do
1:31:25
Speaker 1: with black folks and black women.
1:31:26
Speaker 2: He walked that back.
1:31:27
Speaker 1: Immediately before he even did it, like outwardly to the
1:31:30
Speaker 1: to the world. He walked that back immediately with me
1:31:31
Speaker 1: in the comments. That says a lot about the dude,
1:31:34
Speaker 1: and I think it showed a showing the The pivot
1:31:38
Speaker 1: is fantastic. I mean, wow, what a what a combination
1:31:41
Speaker 1: of three people, him, Channing and Fred and I just
1:31:45
Speaker 1: think that it's great. They are excellent interviewers. They get
1:31:49
Speaker 1: the biggest of the biggest as far as guests are concerned,
1:31:52
Speaker 1: from the Kevin Harts of the Rocks to Obama to
1:31:56
Speaker 1: they get the biggest of the biggest.
1:31:58
Speaker 2: I mean Ben Afflack. You know, people obviously respect them
1:32:01
Speaker 2: and what they do.
1:32:02
Speaker 1: I think Ryan Clark does an excellent job of being
1:32:05
Speaker 1: somebody who asks good question asks hard questions. I watched
1:32:09
Speaker 1: the episode today with him and Dana White. Dana White's
1:32:13
Speaker 1: a guy overall. I like Dana White. When he gets
1:32:17
Speaker 1: on a podcast, especially a long form podcast, and gets
1:32:20
Speaker 1: up there and talks, I agree with most of what
1:32:22
Speaker 1: he says. He happens to be really close friends with
1:32:25
Speaker 1: the guy who I think is vile. But yo, man,
1:32:31
Speaker 1: I honestly, sometimes in life, when you're picking people to
1:32:36
Speaker 1: enjoy their content, their personality, even down to their friendship,
1:32:42
Speaker 1: you have to overlook certain things when it comes to
1:32:45
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to politics. I get to a
1:32:50
Speaker 1: point where to me, it's really hard to overlook what
1:32:53
Speaker 1: we see right directly in front of our fucking face.
1:32:56
Speaker 1: And I know a whole lot of people who might
1:32:59
Speaker 1: not be coming out saying and I was wrong, or
1:33:01
Speaker 1: might not be coming out saying we gotta we gotta
1:33:03
Speaker 1: think that this is horrible. Things have to change, or
1:33:05
Speaker 1: they might not be coming out and saying, hey, I'm
1:33:07
Speaker 1: actually rooting for the other side now. But what they're
1:33:09
Speaker 1: but what they are doing is all the some of
1:33:13
Speaker 1: the especially some of the most avid supporters, it's not
1:33:16
Speaker 1: so much support going on anymore. They might just be
1:33:20
Speaker 1: playing the sidelines, but they're definitely not out in front,
1:33:23
Speaker 1: waving the flag, wearing the hat. You see a whole
1:33:27
Speaker 1: lot less of that across all walks of life. And
1:33:35
Speaker 1: I think that when watching the when watching the interview today,
1:33:42
Speaker 1: I love the fact that Ryan Clark asked him about
1:33:47
Speaker 1: the dude on the White House lawn who said that
1:33:49
Speaker 1: crazy shit about Michelle And I thought that Dana White
1:33:54
Speaker 1: did a good job of He didn't like just do enough.
1:33:56
Speaker 3: He was.
1:34:00
Speaker 1: Effusive and how horribly thought it was and how stupid
1:34:03
Speaker 1: it was. He did frame it kind of like we
1:34:08
Speaker 1: just made such a great and such a perfect event
1:34:09
Speaker 1: and you had to mess it up like that. Now
1:34:11
Speaker 1: he didn't just do that.
1:34:12
Speaker 2: He also added in just how stupid it was, this
1:34:15
Speaker 2: and that and how right or left.
1:34:17
Speaker 1: Everybody feels like, how stupid is that when this dude
1:34:20
Speaker 1: says this, I think, if you have any brains, you
1:34:21
Speaker 1: feel that way. But people that I've once thought was
1:34:25
Speaker 1: somewhat smart, I've heard echo those same tropes and sentiments,
1:34:30
Speaker 1: sentiments I should say, which is to me, that's why
1:34:34
Speaker 1: I kind of write you off. I don't care how
1:34:36
Speaker 1: long I know on you whatever. Like you know, if
1:34:39
Speaker 1: this is the type of fucking just vile bullshit that
1:34:44
Speaker 1: you're willing to peddle in, then I don't know, man,
1:34:49
Speaker 1: I really ain't got much for you.
1:34:50
Speaker 2: But he asked him about it. He took him the task.
1:34:53
Speaker 1: I mean, like he didn't. He didn't let it slip,
1:34:55
Speaker 1: like he didn't let it like he didn't just like,
1:34:56
Speaker 1: you know, say it, and he made he said, he
1:34:58
Speaker 1: asked the question in a way that Dana White respond
1:35:01
Speaker 1: to it thoroughly, and then you know, he made sure
1:35:07
Speaker 1: he didn't just like let it, you know, glance over
1:35:09
Speaker 1: and get switched to something else.
1:35:10
Speaker 2: He made sure that they stayed on it for a second.
1:35:12
Speaker 2: I respect that.
1:35:13
Speaker 1: I love that about Ryan Clark. You know, McAfee he
1:35:20
Speaker 1: not gonna ask about that. I like McAfee shout to him.
1:35:24
Speaker 1: He's about to get paid. They seem like they are
1:35:27
Speaker 1: investing their money in steven A. McAfee. Those are the
1:35:29
Speaker 1: two things that consistently bring eyes and ears to ESPN,
1:35:38
Speaker 1: But it's really hard to feel like them.
1:35:42
Speaker 2: Getting rid of Ryan Clark had just to do with.
1:35:48
Speaker 1: His contract, his I guess, lack of ability to generate
1:35:53
Speaker 1: as compared to that contract. He had the situation with
1:35:58
Speaker 1: RG three. He had the other situation with the dude
1:36:00
Speaker 1: where he said, well, you didn't play. I always thought
1:36:03
Speaker 1: that there was so much made about that. Fucking athletes
1:36:06
Speaker 1: say that to non athletes all the time, the whole
1:36:09
Speaker 1: well you didn't play shit.
1:36:10
Speaker 2: That's a big one.
1:36:11
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of whack personally because It's just
1:36:13
Speaker 1: like there's obviously been a lot of people who have
1:36:15
Speaker 1: had great opinions about the games, who have been able
1:36:17
Speaker 1: to be great coaches, great people that affect the game
1:36:19
Speaker 1: in all these different ways that didn't play. I don't,
1:36:22
Speaker 1: you know, I don't, But I also understand if you're
1:36:24
Speaker 1: a guy who fucking played and you're being criticized by
1:36:26
Speaker 1: some dude who never did it where there's a party
1:36:29
Speaker 1: that it's like, dog, you don't even understand what the
1:36:30
Speaker 1: fuck you're talking about. I get that. I think it's
1:36:32
Speaker 1: okay for them to have that opinion, even if I
1:36:34
Speaker 1: to just disagree with it. But the way that this
1:36:38
Speaker 1: was handled, the fact that Ryan Clark seems like a
1:36:41
Speaker 1: guy who is very respected in that space fuck with
1:36:45
Speaker 1: fans since people say and people want to not like
1:36:49
Speaker 1: cam out, I think he's this, I think he's that whatever.
1:36:51
Speaker 1: Fuck all that bullshit as far as the stephen A's
1:36:56
Speaker 1: of the world, who not only has them on his
1:36:58
Speaker 1: show all the time, but also so just waxed poetically
1:37:04
Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes about how upset he was that this
1:37:06
Speaker 1: happened with Ryan Clark and told him then said that
1:37:10
Speaker 1: he specifically that told ESPN that he disagrees with it.
1:37:13
Speaker 1: He thinks the bad decision. I think when you look
1:37:19
Speaker 1: at the way that the people that end up on
1:37:23
Speaker 1: his podcast clearly the reach that it has, and also
1:37:26
Speaker 1: people feeling comfortable wanting to sit down with you know,
1:37:29
Speaker 1: him and his co hosts. This one seems a little
1:37:33
Speaker 1: bit fishy. We've seen over and over we've seen ESPN
1:37:38
Speaker 1: have to do these huge layoffs, and quite often there
1:37:40
Speaker 1: are some huge names. They are usually not the people
1:37:45
Speaker 1: who are as versatile and well respected as Ryan Clark,
1:37:50
Speaker 1: who have their own platform, so therefore bring eyes that
1:37:53
Speaker 1: they get from that platform to ESPN. And also it
1:37:59
Speaker 1: does it usually happened during the commercial break of him
1:38:06
Speaker 1: being on NFL Live, which just got nominated for Emmy.
1:38:09
Speaker 1: By the way, it's fishy, man, there is something. There's
1:38:18
Speaker 1: something about this one. It's a little bit fishy to me, Doug,
1:38:20
Speaker 1: it really is. And I think it's one of those
1:38:22
Speaker 1: things that will continue to the It'll come out and
1:38:24
Speaker 1: Ryan Clark's gonna be just fine. It's like the pivot
1:38:28
Speaker 1: and that what he's built over there. They I mean,
1:38:31
Speaker 1: they could I heard, fuck who was I who was
1:38:35
Speaker 1: I listening to earlier? That was talking about Ryan Clark.
1:38:38
Speaker 1: It might have been it might have just been might
1:38:40
Speaker 1: have been Stephen I don't know. Somebody's saying that they
1:38:42
Speaker 1: just starting to pivot every day Monna do Friday mockers.
1:38:47
Speaker 2: Well, hey, they will do big numbers.
1:38:48
Speaker 1: They will be huge. I mean, I think about some
1:38:50
Speaker 1: of the other shows, you know, whether it be five
1:38:53
Speaker 1: point twenty or you know, Mason Cameron, it is what
1:38:57
Speaker 1: it is that'll immediately be right on that level. Club
1:39:01
Speaker 1: Shay Sha all that that' immediately be right on that level,
1:39:04
Speaker 1: and so he'll be okay. Uh. I'm interested to get
1:39:08
Speaker 1: some of the details of this because if it's fishy
1:39:11
Speaker 1: to me, man, this shit ain't. They did not do
1:39:13
Speaker 1: him right. Obviously, the way that they handled the actual
1:39:15
Speaker 1: firing was pure bullshit. Just there's no if ans or
1:39:19
Speaker 1: butts about how badly that was handled and fumbled by
1:39:24
Speaker 1: ESPN brass.
1:39:27
Speaker 2: But also, I think that the way we're in a.
1:39:32
Speaker 1: Weird spot, man, We're in a weird spot where the
1:39:37
Speaker 1: powers that be seem to have their tentacles and everything
1:39:41
Speaker 1: and they're the whole. The so called freedom of the
1:39:44
Speaker 1: press is something that is something it's hard to even
1:39:48
Speaker 1: say that we currently have it.
1:39:51
Speaker 2: At the highest levels.
1:39:53
Speaker 1: It's clear that you have to toe certain lines or
1:39:59
Speaker 1: you will no longer be employed. I think it makes
1:40:03
Speaker 1: spaces like this and even bigger deal, and it makes
1:40:06
Speaker 1: them even more popular because people just want to listen
1:40:10
Speaker 1: to somebody that they know is being authentic and being real.
1:40:15
Speaker 1: And I think that now Ryan Clark will have even
1:40:19
Speaker 1: more of an opportunity to do that. I wish him
1:40:21
Speaker 1: all the luck in it. And uh, I just you know,
1:40:25
Speaker 1: there's something fishy, something fishy about this BOM.
1:40:29
Speaker 2: You got anything on this or you got anything, man, I.
1:40:32
Speaker 3: Would saying, I completely agree with you. It felt like
1:40:35
Speaker 3: something you know, was up again just because of the
1:40:37
Speaker 3: way it was being celebrated and talked about. But ESPN also,
1:40:41
Speaker 3: you know, handled another one of those firings pretty shadily.
1:40:44
Speaker 3: To Carl Ravits is another guy in that who was
1:40:49
Speaker 3: let go because early because they were trying not to
1:40:52
Speaker 3: let it leak out, and then he actually found out
1:40:54
Speaker 3: through social media from a league.
1:40:58
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, to find from a league
1:41:00
Speaker 1: when Carl Ravage, I mean, what has he been there
1:41:03
Speaker 1: for fucking.
1:41:03
Speaker 3: Twenty three years?
1:41:04
Speaker 1: Thirty three years?
1:41:06
Speaker 3: The dude was literally calling the Dodgers stillies game on
1:41:09
Speaker 3: TV last night. I mean that dude was a Baseball
1:41:15
Speaker 3: Tonight in our throwing up.
1:41:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved him on Baseball Tonight. I still don't
1:41:21
Speaker 1: understand why they haven't been able to figure out an
1:41:23
Speaker 1: iteration of Baseball Tonight. That's like exciting to watch on
1:41:27
Speaker 1: a daily basis.
1:41:27
Speaker 2: I don't understand that how they did.
1:41:31
Speaker 3: You didn't time.
1:41:34
Speaker 1: Right right, and it's a and you got so much.
1:41:36
Speaker 1: There's just so many a clear listen. If it could,
1:41:38
Speaker 1: if it could get eyeballs on it, they would do it,
1:41:40
Speaker 1: you know what I mean at the end of the day.
1:41:41
Speaker 1: But you know, I I liked him a lot as
1:41:44
Speaker 1: the Baseball Tonight guy. I didn't love him as my
1:41:45
Speaker 1: play by play guy Ravage personally. But he's been around,
1:41:48
Speaker 1: he's been there doing for thirty fucking three years. And
1:41:50
Speaker 1: he finds out from a fucking tweet. What how does it?
1:41:53
Speaker 2: I mean, how leaky is your ship.
1:41:59
Speaker 1: That y'all can't keep this type of stuff in house
1:42:02
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. I don't get it.
1:42:06
Speaker 3: I don't either. I mean, it's pretty nasty. With the
1:42:08
Speaker 3: obviously the NFL network merger, which has been a big
1:42:11
Speaker 3: thing of theirs, because they're paying uh not even they're
1:42:13
Speaker 3: paying Max be and Steven A. Now they were also
1:42:17
Speaker 3: paying a rap sheet. You know, probably whatever chefter's getting
1:42:21
Speaker 3: h to go a team up with him. And you
1:42:24
Speaker 3: know my chef, Tom pallisera another great NFL network guy,
1:42:27
Speaker 3: is being let go in this uh shout out. You
1:42:30
Speaker 3: know Boor and I said earlier in chat we were
1:42:34
Speaker 3: college friends with the sisters.
1:42:36
Speaker 1: No doubt. I would really somebody needs to really break this.
1:42:39
Speaker 1: I would love a real breakdown of the money at
1:42:42
Speaker 1: ESPN And maybe it might might even be something that
1:42:43
Speaker 1: people really understand because it seems like they keep trying
1:42:46
Speaker 1: to get bigger, acquiring more. You know, they they you know,
1:42:49
Speaker 1: they made that big swing with ESPN that you know
1:42:53
Speaker 1: had rand Square. I wouldn't don't even know if I
1:42:54
Speaker 1: would say it didn't work out, but it did. What
1:42:56
Speaker 1: it did is over there over with Paramount now. But
1:42:59
Speaker 1: like it seems like all these huge different you know,
1:43:03
Speaker 1: media companies are trying to like consolidate basically. I know,
1:43:06
Speaker 1: the Paramount merger just got just got like it got
1:43:10
Speaker 1: put on hold because people are saying that it's too
1:43:12
Speaker 1: close to monopoly. But and I think especially when it
1:43:15
Speaker 1: comes to media information, the stuff like that, having it
1:43:19
Speaker 1: be diversified to a certain extent on the highest levels
1:43:22
Speaker 1: is important. But by the time my kids are, you know,
1:43:25
Speaker 1: the ones who are ruling the world, are people going
1:43:28
Speaker 1: to be paying any attention to legacy media or are
1:43:29
Speaker 1: you just going to be consuming you know, independent media
1:43:33
Speaker 1: people who you find and either agree with or feel
1:43:37
Speaker 1: like you can trust. Who knows. But I think the
1:43:41
Speaker 1: whole situation where you have to continually fire all this talent,
1:43:49
Speaker 1: but yet you can pay all this money for all
1:43:53
Speaker 1: these TV rights and everything like that, It's like, I
1:43:56
Speaker 1: just don't feel I feel like the margins can't be
1:43:58
Speaker 1: that razor thin that It's like, you know what, I
1:44:00
Speaker 1: don't either. I look at this balance sheet. It looks
1:44:07
Speaker 1: you know, it's not looking good. But if we if
1:44:09
Speaker 1: we get rid of Ryan Clark, okay, okay, So you have.
1:44:14
Speaker 3: All the billions of dollars at the SEC, you have
1:44:16
Speaker 3: all the billions of dollars in the NBA, you have
1:44:17
Speaker 3: one hundreds of millions for NBA and Major League Baseball,
1:44:20
Speaker 3: and now all this money to acquire NFL network. But
1:44:24
Speaker 3: you only have enough money for two media personalities, and
1:44:28
Speaker 3: Pat Acte and steven A.
1:44:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get it.
1:44:33
Speaker 2: I really don't. And you know, I just hope that
1:44:36
Speaker 2: I hope it really.
1:44:37
Speaker 1: I hope it really is some person that could sit
1:44:39
Speaker 1: there with some spreadsheets and some formulas and could explain
1:44:42
Speaker 1: it and it's not something more nefarious and more more
1:44:48
Speaker 1: motivated by things that don't have anything to do with uh,
1:44:51
Speaker 1: you know, performance and or you know work ethic.
1:44:55
Speaker 3: Oh, for sure, it all sucks. It sucks to see people,
1:44:59
Speaker 3: you know, lose their jobs to begin with. You and
1:45:01
Speaker 3: I have been part of a mass lay not to
1:45:03
Speaker 3: this level, for sure, we were there for it. Yeah,
1:45:06
Speaker 3: I think it's worse to see people celebrating it and
1:45:08
Speaker 3: celebrating certain people getting let go and fire. You know,
1:45:11
Speaker 3: there's still a human size of this all, and like
1:45:13
Speaker 3: you said, Ryan Tharp will be fine, but still kind
1:45:15
Speaker 3: of just really land to see. And it also kind
1:45:17
Speaker 3: of speaks to the society that we're kind of living
1:45:19
Speaker 3: in right now too.
1:45:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the celebration of people's demise to that extent.
1:45:24
Speaker 1: Like you know, there's certain guys that like, Okay, so
1:45:27
Speaker 1: I watched the stephen A one. You know, they're just
1:45:30
Speaker 1: in preparation for this because I know, I want to
1:45:32
Speaker 1: talk about it, and then my my fucking YouTube automatically
1:45:36
Speaker 1: skipped to the next thing was Jason Whitlock, and my
1:45:39
Speaker 1: phone was in the other room, and I have my
1:45:40
Speaker 1: headphones on, so it took me a second to even
1:45:43
Speaker 1: like register what was happening. And then I was like
1:45:45
Speaker 1: walking into the other room to get to my phone,
1:45:48
Speaker 1: and then it ended up even going a little bit
1:45:49
Speaker 1: longer because what I was trying to do is I
1:45:51
Speaker 1: was actually trying to like, like, on Twitter, you can
1:45:52
Speaker 1: be like, yo, show me less of shit like this.
1:45:54
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out on YouTube how to be like yo,
1:45:56
Speaker 1: I don't don't fucking show me no Whitlock shit, like
1:45:59
Speaker 1: just zero, I want none of this from this fucking
1:46:02
Speaker 1: uncle tom punk ass motherfucker. But so and and I,
1:46:06
Speaker 1: you know, I saw the the the Witlock ship, and
1:46:09
Speaker 1: it's just like, dude, you make like a whole thing,
1:46:12
Speaker 1: like a whole like a whole segment of your show
1:46:14
Speaker 1: where you're just like it basically just dancing on this
1:46:17
Speaker 1: guy's ESPN grave when first of all, ESPN puts you
1:46:21
Speaker 1: out the pasture a long fucking time ago. And I
1:46:25
Speaker 1: fucking hate Whitlock, and I just I hate people who
1:46:28
Speaker 1: like if trying to think there's nobody. There's nobody at ESPN,
1:46:33
Speaker 1: and I like fucking hate that. I can't stand like, Okay,
1:46:40
Speaker 1: Will Kine, which I think he's still he's still doing
1:46:43
Speaker 1: some Fox News type something like that, right, But he's
1:46:46
Speaker 1: one of those guys who he got the he left
1:46:48
Speaker 1: ESPN to get the bag from Fox Sports. That didn't
1:46:52
Speaker 1: work out for anybody. No, every person that did that,
1:46:56
Speaker 1: they might they got the bread, but as far as
1:46:58
Speaker 1: just like their overall popularity and everything moving forward, worked
1:47:02
Speaker 1: out for zero of them. But uh, he went over
1:47:06
Speaker 1: and he did that, and he was a guy who
1:47:08
Speaker 1: I did not like. I did not like. I didn't like.
1:47:10
Speaker 1: I didn't like the way he came off. I didn't
1:47:13
Speaker 1: like his angle that he took on shit. I didn't
1:47:15
Speaker 1: like the sound of his voice. I didn't like his fucking, stupid,
1:47:19
Speaker 1: fucking choir boy suits. I didn't like anything about him.
1:47:25
Speaker 1: If he got fired from ESPN, I would be like,
1:47:28
Speaker 1: I would not spend ten fifteen minutes talking about how
1:47:31
Speaker 1: like happy I was that he got fired. It's just
1:47:34
Speaker 1: not I just don't have that energy, man, I don't.
1:47:38
Speaker 1: If you know, whitlock, if Whitlock like fucking some shit
1:47:41
Speaker 1: happened to him and he lost all his And I
1:47:44
Speaker 1: just showed you, guys, how fuck it how I feel
1:47:46
Speaker 1: about him. I have no like if he if some
1:47:49
Speaker 1: shit went down, and I might spend a second on it. Man,
1:47:51
Speaker 1: But these dudes who fucking just love to act like
1:47:54
Speaker 1: fucking Ryan Clark is some crazy racist and race base
1:48:00
Speaker 1: because he, you know, occasionally points out some things that
1:48:04
Speaker 1: you might not consider when it has to do with
1:48:07
Speaker 1: Angel Reese's side and how things are covered between her
1:48:13
Speaker 1: and Caitlyn Clark.
1:48:14
Speaker 2: And it just makes you hate this guy this much.
1:48:17
Speaker 1: That's so weird to me. I don't get that energy.
1:48:19
Speaker 1: I really don't. But you know, hey is gonna hate man.
1:48:22
Speaker 1: They gonna do what they're gonna do. Hey Man, we
1:48:24
Speaker 1: ran an extra long to day, but it was a
1:48:25
Speaker 1: good one. I appreciate you, Bomb, my super producer. We'll
1:48:29
Speaker 1: see you on Thursday, and you know we well hopefully
1:48:33
Speaker 1: hopefully Lebron makes a decision between now and then.
1:48:35
Speaker 2: So that's something to talk about.
1:48:37
Speaker 1: Even though it seems like he's reveling in the fact
1:48:39
Speaker 1: that he's you know, he don't he don't have to
1:48:41
Speaker 1: make a decision he's not gonna rush.
1:48:43
Speaker 3: Is he reveling in it or is he waiting for
1:48:45
Speaker 3: a team or two or the teams that he's down
1:48:47
Speaker 3: to to make another move. There's another interesting that one
1:48:51
Speaker 3: other thing that you know we could also you know,
1:48:53
Speaker 3: maybe get to hit on too, is you know how
1:48:56
Speaker 3: we've hit on a number of times to Khi. Now
1:48:58
Speaker 3: just talk about that. That thing might loom into training
1:49:02
Speaker 3: camp in the season. So the n he's got to
1:49:05
Speaker 3: stay in l A right pretty much.
1:49:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird. That's awkward if he ends up having
1:49:11
Speaker 1: to go back there and stay there. He clearly wanted
1:49:13
Speaker 1: to be out. They were clearly willing to move him.
1:49:16
Speaker 1: I mean, ship brandon Ingram right now, What the fuck
1:49:18
Speaker 1: is he thinking? What's he doing?
1:49:19
Speaker 3: Yeah?
1:49:20
Speaker 1: No, that's a that's tough one. Man.
1:49:21
Speaker 3: I listen.
1:49:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're Toronto, you got a chill on that.
1:49:25
Speaker 2: You get a hold on it.
1:49:26
Speaker 1: And it's so if you're Toronto fan and you were
1:49:27
Speaker 1: so hype and you're feeling like, yo, man, look we're
1:49:29
Speaker 1: at in Kawai. You know, we're a team. We can
1:49:31
Speaker 1: really be something in the East and now all that
1:49:33
Speaker 1: is just just in Limbo and there's no like real
1:49:36
Speaker 1: news coming out about it. You would think that the
1:49:38
Speaker 1: that the NBA would want to wrap that up sooner
1:49:42
Speaker 1: rather than later. But again they're not. They're not stalling.
1:49:48
Speaker 1: They're investigating, you know, they're not stalling and being like,
1:49:51
Speaker 1: oh well no, no, they're they're they they want to
1:49:54
Speaker 1: wrap that shit up.
1:49:54
Speaker 2: There's just they're they're they're doing their due diligence.
1:49:57
Speaker 1: And to me, if there's this much to look into,
1:50:01
Speaker 1: there's gonna be something that comes out of it, and
1:50:04
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna end up being good for Kawahi.
1:50:07
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, we'll see you Thursday.
1:50:16
Speaker 3: H