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Speaker 1: It's the gold board tonight, fact checking the falsehoods the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister told before angry farmers had enough and chase
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Speaker 1: them out of their town. Plus Greta Tunberg, did you
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Speaker 1: really excuse samasteris taking Jewish hostages and starving them? I
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Speaker 1: play very disturbing footage from this global warming guru. Now
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Speaker 1: I's lost the moral compass and retailers plead for help
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Speaker 1: to tackle an explosion of crime and violence in their
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Speaker 1: stores and will hold the Privacy Commissioner to account for
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Speaker 1: stopping something that could protect them. And why these pictures
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Speaker 1: from China should frighten you and Donald Trump? But first
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Speaker 1: I must show you footage from those marches around Australia yesterday,
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Speaker 1: marches for our flag and against mass immigration. And that's
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Speaker 1: because many politicians and journalists are telling dangerous falsehoods or
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Speaker 1: lies about what really happened, to faming some good people.
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Speaker 1: Even before these marches, labor politicians were assisting these were
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Speaker 1: essentially Nazi rallies and hateful.
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Speaker 2: We don't support rallies like this that are about spreading
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Speaker 2: hate and that are about dividing our community. The fact
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Speaker 2: that this is being organized and promoted by neo Nazi
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Speaker 2: groups tells us everything we need to know about the
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Speaker 2: level of hatred and division that these kind of rallies
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Speaker 2: are about.
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Speaker 3: It's not a very Australian march at all, and Australia
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Speaker 3: isn't a place where we walk with Nazis. Australia is
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Speaker 3: a place that went to war with Nazis now.
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Speaker 1: It is absolutely true that some neo Nazis did try
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Speaker 1: to hijack yesterday's marches morons racists led in Melbourne by
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Speaker 1: convicted thug who was sadly one of the speakers, luckily
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Speaker 1: booed by some but not enough in the other marchers.
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Speaker 1: The only Nazis I actually saw on the coverage w
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Speaker 1: we were a tiny bunch of losers in Sydney who
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Speaker 1: peeled off on their own rally, and that was all
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Speaker 1: that was needed for labor politicians and mini journalists to
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Speaker 1: spear these marchers as fundamentally racist. You take the Elberdezi
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Speaker 1: Governments Minister for Multicultural Affairs ann Aali, who told the
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Speaker 1: ABC This Morning short not every marcher was a Nazi
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Speaker 1: except Nazis and racists. For all she could talk about
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Speaker 1: racist racist Nazis were racist, be racism neo naziist racist,
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Speaker 1: Neo nazis very racist. Meanwhile, none of these politicians saying
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Speaker 1: Nazi Nazi, Nazi Nazi told you that some of the
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Speaker 1: worst violence and hated the march yesterday came from pro
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Speaker 1: Palacinian hard left protesters who attacked the pro Australia marchers
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Speaker 1: like the two men are rested in Sydney for assaulting police,
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Speaker 1: or the counter protests have ripped away the Australian flags
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Speaker 1: of marchers and even burned our flag, all the ones
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Speaker 1: that police to disperse with flash bangs and rubber bullets
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Speaker 1: to stop them attacking people. Then there was a hard
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Speaker 1: left activists who even spat in the face of one
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Speaker 1: proud Australian marcher, an eighty seven year old woman.
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Speaker 4: I'm about eighty in a couple of weeks and I've
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Speaker 4: come here today to show my support for Australia.
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Speaker 1: We're trying to.
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Speaker 5: Do a march once they're here every single weekend.
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Speaker 1: So why did much of the media virtually overlook those people?
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Speaker 1: Even one stressing up like this one quite alarming. I
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Speaker 1: think many of these politicians and commentators just did not
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Speaker 1: want to tell you the full truth about yesterday they're
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Speaker 1: just looking for an excuse to beat that truth to death,
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Speaker 1: you know, saying Nazi natty Nazi resider so often that
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Speaker 1: Australians won't dare talk about reckless mass immigration fear of
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Speaker 1: being called racists as well. So let me now show
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Speaker 1: you the truth. Let me start with the Brisbane rally,
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Speaker 1: which began like this, as did the Sydney one. That
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Speaker 1: rally was addressed not by any neo Nazi, but by
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Speaker 1: a former soldier and now a very successful builder, Scott Chalon,
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Speaker 1: talking about our homeless at a time of mass immigration,
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Speaker 1: talking about our loss of pride and opportunity. And when
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Speaker 1: some neo Nazi losers did turn up, members of the
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Speaker 1: National Socialist Network, well here's challenge later described how the
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Speaker 1: march has dealt with them.
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Speaker 2: The NSN showed up half a dozen of them in
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Speaker 2: black shirts, with probably twenty or thirty undercover guys.
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Speaker 1: In the crowd.
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Speaker 6: They were literally shouted down every time they tried to speak.
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Speaker 1: But to their Melbourne march where there were the most
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Speaker 1: neo Nazis, and that's in a state where a lot
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Speaker 1: of it streams now seem to feed off the other,
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Speaker 1: the hard left and the hard right it's really troubling.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 1: The footage i'll show now is from the superb coverage
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Speaker 1: by r vm Andy from Rebel News, and you can
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Speaker 1: judge whether what you've been told about this march racist racist, racist,
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Speaker 1: nazi natty Nasi matches well with what you'll now see.
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Speaker 1: It's not about race.
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Speaker 8: I'm just a fricking born came here porting five years ago.
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Speaker 8: It's not about race. This is all about policy, government,
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Speaker 8: corrupt government policy.
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Speaker 1: It's not a racist march at all. We're just here.
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Speaker 1: We're sick of their government. They don't spend their money.
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Speaker 6: Well, obviously you are bloody and white. Has anybody attacked
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Speaker 6: you for your skin color?
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Speaker 7: Young?
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Speaker 1: You don't think anyone.
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Speaker 9: What do you think people are here for?
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Speaker 6: Do you understand people's problem with the immigration and mass immigration?
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Speaker 1: I understand and do you support that? Do you agree
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Speaker 1: that we should stop classigration? Guess we need to fix
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Speaker 1: our problems first.
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Speaker 10: And you take one look around here to show that
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Speaker 10: Australians are not racist.
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Speaker 2: So we're so multi cultural and we are all standing
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Speaker 2: together today.
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Speaker 6: What do you feel about the crowd up, the support,
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Speaker 6: the support that Australia had really touches me. I can't
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Speaker 6: and that's anybody here attacked you.
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Speaker 1: We had a lot of everywhere, is it we are all.
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Speaker 6: Part of another country, half Australian, half Serbian, half what
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Speaker 6: is right?
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Speaker 1: The Russian? You go, what's your nationality? Ran a switcher,
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Speaker 1: But I don't want to gild the lily or just
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Speaker 1: look through one eye like some of the people commentating
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Speaker 1: on this rally. There were some violent the a Nazis,
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Speaker 1: and there was violence from them at least twice at
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Speaker 1: the rally itself. One was against a Yemeny in this team,
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Speaker 1: you see Yemany actually confronted the neo Nazis was abused
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Speaker 1: from being a.
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Speaker 6: Jew child killer, originally supporting You guys look like and
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Speaker 6: side because you just joined Ova.
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Speaker 1: Some of those rat bands, most of them black, attacked
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Speaker 1: the Eeminy's security guards and later also fought with counter
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Speaker 1: protests as he tried to stop the march. And after
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Speaker 1: the march, some of these thugs, led by Thomas Sewell
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Speaker 1: attacked Aborigine. He's at camp sovereignty. These guys are scum,
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Speaker 1: But most of the marches I saw in Yemeny's hours
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Speaker 1: of coverage. In fact, I think about all of them.
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Speaker 1: We're against them.
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Speaker 5: Nazis do not represent the races that you're trying to
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Speaker 5: hijack the march.
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Speaker 1: It's not going to do with None of us are racist.
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Speaker 11: We will welcome everyone as long as you have true
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Speaker 11: Australian values.
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Speaker 1: Those marches, not the neo Nazis, but the ones against them,
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Speaker 1: the ones just wanting us to get along. The I
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Speaker 1: do not deserve to be spared by labor politicians deliberately
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Speaker 1: using the few to vilify the many. They don't deserve
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Speaker 1: to have their genuine and justified concerns this racism, and
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Speaker 1: especially they're worries about the damage caused by mass immigration
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Speaker 1: at levels never seen in our history, now damaging. It
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Speaker 1: has been to important nearly one and a half million
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Speaker 1: immigrants under this Albanizi government in just three and a
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Speaker 1: half years, to import nearly one and a half million
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Speaker 1: people when we're actually building fewer homes, that's only helped
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Speaker 1: cause a housing crisis so bad that, yes, we had
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Speaker 1: do have many of our young in cities unable to
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Speaker 1: afford their own homes. Plus, of course we're having trouble
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Speaker 1: building all the roads of public transport for all these
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Speaker 1: immigrants in cities that are exploding in size, and have
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Speaker 1: so many people come so fast and often from very
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Speaker 1: different cultures, just when our elites seem to despise our
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Speaker 1: flag and their history. Isn't that, I mean, what hope
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Speaker 1: of integration? Then we already see so many haters of
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Speaker 1: Australia on our streets and this will only get worse,
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Speaker 1: of course, until moderate politicians discuss this issue honestly, not
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Speaker 1: hide and let the radicals take over, not hide like
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Speaker 1: so many liberal and labor politicians for fear of being
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Speaker 1: called racists themselves, and that's why senators are sent to
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Speaker 1: them to jimper Price should be congratulated today for saying
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Speaker 1: what few liberals dared about yesterday.
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Speaker 12: I'd like to congratulate those who marched yesterday. I know
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Speaker 12: the vast majority of Australians that were out marching on
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Speaker 12: our streets were marching because they love this country and yes,
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Speaker 12: we have every right just to be concerned with the
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Speaker 12: levels of immigration into our country does not mean that
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Speaker 12: you are racist.
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Speaker 1: And really shame on the politicians trying to shut Australians
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Speaker 1: up that abuse racist, Nazi, racist, instead of trying to
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Speaker 1: fix what's so obviously broken. Joining mister Panel, Michael Kroger,
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Speaker 1: former Victorian Liberal President, Stephen Connery, former Labor senator and
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Speaker 1: cabinet minister, and Michael good to see you again. Listen,
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Speaker 1: anti immigration protests being written off as racist and neo Nazi.
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Speaker 1: What is the real message we should take from yesterday?
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Speaker 1: While acknowledging, of course there were some Nazis who deserve
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Speaker 1: really some very tough action police action.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, of course they should. They're despicable, as are the
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Speaker 13: pro terrorist supporters at the Palestinian rallies. But the difference
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Speaker 13: between the two I see is this and the answer
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Speaker 13: to question, by the way, the Stones have every right
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Speaker 13: to be concerned about too much immigration for all the
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Speaker 13: reasons you've explained. But at the heart of yesterday's demonstration
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Speaker 13: were people at lover At that don't want it to change,
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Speaker 13: that love its culture and love Western values. I didn't
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Speaker 13: see any hate I saw apart from the rat bag Nazis.
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Speaker 13: I saw a great love of our country and I
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Speaker 13: saw a huge number of Australian flags. So these people
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Speaker 13: are proud of their country and rightly so, and just
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Speaker 13: enter Price is one hundred percent correct. On the other hand, Andrew,
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Speaker 13: I see the pro Palestinian demonstrations. Never an Australian flag,
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Speaker 13: never a British American flag, never a Western flag. I
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Speaker 13: see hatred towards Jews. I see flags and speakers and
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Speaker 13: signs and photographs of terrorism supporters, and a seething hatred
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Speaker 13: of Israel underpinning that. So I see, on the one hand,
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Speaker 13: yesterday people that love Western values, Western culture and love
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Speaker 13: this country, and these other demonstrations seething in hatred towards Israel,
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Speaker 13: and many of them just hatred towards Jews. And for
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Speaker 13: those politicians that were trying to continue yesterday, people were
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Speaker 13: not listening, Andrew, the people talking over the heads of
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Speaker 13: the politics. They're not listening to that rabble calling them racist.
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Speaker 13: Now they're there because of the love of their country, Andrew,
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Speaker 13: and they're not intimidated by labor politicians.
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Speaker 1: Stephen. What worries me is that when moderate stay quiet,
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Speaker 1: they leave a vacuum for the extremists to take over
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Speaker 1: a genuine concern and try to hijacket as we saw
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Speaker 1: something the Nazis do yesterday. What lesson do you take
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Speaker 1: out of what we saw yesterday?
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Speaker 10: I think to emphasize a couple of points Michael made
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Speaker 10: then firstly that yes, we had a group within the
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Speaker 10: march yesterday clearly nio Nazis, clearly Noo Nazis. They even
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Speaker 10: gave the platform to speak to someone who is readily
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Speaker 10: identified in that way.
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Speaker 1: But let's let's be clear.
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Speaker 10: The organizers this raul and I want to congratulate Paul
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Speaker 10: May for continuing to point this out. If you look
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Speaker 10: at the organizers material, it clearly makes reference to the
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Speaker 10: Indian community and is absolutely across the line in terms
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Speaker 10: of So you don't get to give a leaf pass
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Speaker 10: to the organizers, and you don't get to give a
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Speaker 10: leaf past to the neo Nazis has turned up, just
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Speaker 10: like you shouldn't give, as Michael correctly said, a leaf
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Speaker 10: pass to the Hamas supporting rat bags who have been
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Speaker 10: trolling the streets of Melbourne for over a year or
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Speaker 10: so now intimidating the Jewish community in the same way,
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Speaker 10: just in case, Michael scottlan the neo Nazis intimidate the
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Speaker 10: Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: So I just don't think.
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Speaker 10: You get to give that group of leaf pass when
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Speaker 10: you've correctly called out the Hamas fanatics as well, and
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Speaker 10: in terms of the actual.
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Speaker 1: One here in the show is No one in the
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Speaker 1: show is trying to forgive neo Nazis, No one right now.
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Speaker 10: But I think you've been being really the organizers and.
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Speaker 1: There are the Nazis, yes, and they're bad, Yes, And
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Speaker 1: you shouldn't go to a ralliant when you don't know
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Speaker 1: who the organizers are. Yes, I'm talking about all the
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Speaker 1: people there that clearly had other things on their mind
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Speaker 1: apart from Nazi, Natti, Nazi racist racist racists.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, now I agree, it does. I said, unfortunately that
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Speaker 10: they did allow someone who has described as an an answer.
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Speaker 10: They gave him the platform, and he was then clearly
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Speaker 10: identified I think in other activities. But to your core point,
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Speaker 10: this issue around immigration and housing, there's no doubt this
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Speaker 10: has been a hot button issue for the last year
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Speaker 10: or two. There's no doubt that over thirty years, governments
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Speaker 10: of all political persuasions have not done enough to get
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Speaker 10: houses being built in this country, and it's now created
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Speaker 10: a problem. Before we suddenly had this massive interest over
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Speaker 10: the last couple of years, this has been a problem
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Speaker 10: for kids trying to buy housing for a number of years.
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Speaker 10: The words you know, bank of mom and dad didn't
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Speaker 10: get invented in the last twelve months or two years.
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Speaker 1: But government and true say the one topic, the one
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Speaker 1: topic people don't want, politicians don't want to talk about.
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Speaker 1: It's also the cultural frame that we're seeing in this
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Speaker 1: country that I think is causing a deep uneasy, even
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Speaker 1: if it's not often expressed them, which I think the
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Speaker 1: pro Palestinian rallies have really inflamed as well. Michael. Communist China,
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Speaker 1: it's holding another international security meeting, it's the biggest so far.
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Speaker 1: It's saying that very deliberately replacing America led power, replacing
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Speaker 1: the Western order with something China led. And this time
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Speaker 1: this meeting didn't just include the leaders of China's allied tyrannies.
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Speaker 1: You know, Russia's Vladimir Putin was there. He was a
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Speaker 1: guest of honor. He was lavished with special friendship by
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Speaker 1: Chinese dictator and his wife in front of the cameras
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Speaker 1: formed over and also the leaders of North Korea and
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Speaker 1: run there. So was though the Prime Minister of India,
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Speaker 1: just after Donald Trump hit India with fifty percent tariffs
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Speaker 1: for buying Russian oil, how worried should we be with
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Speaker 1: what we saw there?
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Speaker 13: Well, look, you know it is a worry that India there.
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Speaker 13: Although India has always been part of the non aligned movement,
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Speaker 13: as you say, they've had a whack from Trump. They're
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Speaker 13: the major buyer of Russian oil. The India has always
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Speaker 13: been a very difficult country for the West to deal with,
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Speaker 13: even though it's a you know, the biggest democracy in
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Speaker 13: the world as we know. But certainly the Americans seemingly
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Speaker 13: supporting Pakistan over India as a preference has not helped
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Speaker 13: relations with India. But apart from that, if you look
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Speaker 13: at a lot of the other nations, Andrew, these are
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Speaker 13: the Stands and Iran, a lot of nations you wouldn't
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Speaker 13: you wouldn't want to have to deal with. So is
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Speaker 13: it a worry that these are other African non aligned countries?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 13: Correct, correct? So would you want them to come to,
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Speaker 13: you know, be invited to a NATO Forum of G
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Speaker 13: eight forum, No, you wouldn't. These are North Korea, et cetera.
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Speaker 13: These are the nations which are basically not democracies, obviously
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Speaker 13: apart from India, not democracies built on tiri tyranny and a.
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Speaker 1: Hatred of the West.
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Speaker 13: But of course, any time India falls into the hands
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Speaker 13: or the lap of our international enemies. Of course you
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Speaker 13: have to be worried by that.
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Speaker 1: You sure do. When there's so much like effort being
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Speaker 1: put in making India join with us in common cause
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Speaker 1: against China expansionism, are considered that a great concern. But
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Speaker 1: you know, Stephen, what is also of concern? On Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: You're going to have a military parade on Gentlemen Square
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Speaker 1: to mark Chinese the feet of Japan World War Two.
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Speaker 1: It's the war that the Communist army actually avoided. It
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Speaker 1: left the fights of the Nationalists hoping their army had weakened.
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Speaker 1: Invited as honored guests will be two labor former labor politicians,
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Speaker 1: Victorian Premier Dan Andrews, very close to China, former Labor
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Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Bob Carr. I find it discussing that they're
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Speaker 1: going there. What do you make of it?
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Speaker 10: Well, I'm very disappointed that either of them would attend,
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Speaker 10: especially in Teneman Square, where a military parade when the
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Speaker 10: most lasting, one of the most lasting images of my
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Speaker 10: life is the tanks rolling over those students in Tenemen
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Speaker 10: Square and to go there celebrate a military parade, I
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Speaker 10: think there's just it is a disgusting thing, and I
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Speaker 10: want to echo Michael's comments the day that that India
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Speaker 10: starts to and you've just been fighting with China on
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Speaker 10: the border. But it just shows you the stupidity of Trump,
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Speaker 10: you know, putting fifty percent tariffs on Indian goods at
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Speaker 10: the same time as he's hosting Vladimir Putin in his country,
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Speaker 10: offering him concessions. I mean, this is this is when
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Speaker 10: you've got an incoherent moron actually in charge of representing
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Speaker 10: the most powerful country in the world. He attacks India
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Speaker 10: for buying Russian goods, gives them a leaf pass on tariffs,
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Speaker 10: and then has them over into America to fall over
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Speaker 10: him in the same way Z's fawning over Putin.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the insanity.
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Speaker 10: We were gradually drawing India towards Us, away from this
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Speaker 10: access of evil, and suddenly Trumps just share stupidity drives
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Speaker 10: them into the hands of Z and Putin.
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Speaker 1: Big, big, big mistake. Michael Kroegus, Stephen Conroy, thank you
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Speaker 1: very much to you both. I want to go to
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Speaker 1: another sign of the fraying of our society. We now
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Speaker 1: have twenty two of our biggest freetailers Woollies. Coles Camar
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Speaker 1: Bunning's mired. They say they want tougher laws to protect
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Speaker 1: shop workers from an astonishing explosion of theft and violence,
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Speaker 1: included from games, ethnic games, often other crime games as well.
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Speaker 1: People armed even with guns can you Believe It? Or
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Speaker 1: knives not just threatening shop assistance. But and Bunning says
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Speaker 1: there has also been targeted thefts of power tools by
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Speaker 1: organized criminals, and many say the Victoria is the very
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Speaker 1: worst state for this. Some say forty percent more crime
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Speaker 1: there IgA stores in Victoria a knocked over now almost
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Speaker 1: weekly on average, often by years with machetes. Now crime
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Speaker 1: in stores is actually way up since the COVID lockdowns.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that those of lockdowns seem to have
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Speaker 1: shattered a lot of social bonds for some people. Now
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Speaker 1: the periders are now saying in response to this campaign,
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Speaker 1: they'll help ban violent shoppers. But that's going to obviously
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Speaker 1: work best with facial recognition technology in stores to spot
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Speaker 1: them in the first place. But here's the problem. Bunnings
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Speaker 1: did have facial recognition technology for a couple of years.
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Speaker 1: The data is deleted within the blink of an eye, literally,
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Speaker 1: but our Privacy commissioner last year banned it.
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Speaker 14: If you're going to capture biometric information, you need the
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Speaker 14: consent of the people whose images you're papturing, and in
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Speaker 14: this case they've captured hundreds of thousands of people's facial
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Speaker 14: images and they didn't get consent. Its use does interfere
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Speaker 14: with the privacy of every person who walks past those cameras.
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Speaker 14: We really need to ask ourselves as a society what
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Speaker 14: kind of world do we want to be living in.
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Speaker 1: Well, the world I want to live in is where
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Speaker 1: retail staff don't get bashed, stab kicked, threatened with guns
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Speaker 1: or punched in the face like this came worker joining
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Speaker 1: me is Doctor Peter Collins is a professional ethicist to
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Speaker 1: advise top ten companies here and once director of the
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Speaker 1: Center for Ethical Leaderships, also being I guess lecturer of
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Speaker 1: business schools in Europe and Australia on ethics. Doctor Peter Collins,
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Speaker 1: great to see you. Bunnings says it is appealing the
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Speaker 1: Privacy Commissioner's ban on that facial recognition technology very soon.
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Speaker 1: Does the commissioner's privacy argument make any sense?
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Speaker 9: No, it doesn't, Andrew, It's actually a surprise. I was
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Speaker 9: quite I couldn't believe it. They run this argument that
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Speaker 9: you know you can't use facial recognition with AI because
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Speaker 9: you don't give consent. And yet they allow CCTV and
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Speaker 9: retail stores with signage, so you could do the same
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Speaker 9: with the same.
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Speaker 1: Signs and just have it.
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Speaker 9: You know, you've got facial recognition with AI. So that's
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Speaker 9: the first bit. The second is we keep adapting technology
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Speaker 9: to threats to our safety, and these are major threats.
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Speaker 9: To use the comparison, at airports, we introduce biometric testing.
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Speaker 9: Remember you put your fingers on the machines and you're
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Speaker 9: looking and they look into your eyes.
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Speaker 1: That proves you wherever you are.
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Speaker 9: This is just II just an adaptation of that. It
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Speaker 9: doesn't infringe on your privacy at all. It's actually it's
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Speaker 9: us contributing to community safety. And thirdly, this is the
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Speaker 9: one I couldn't believe there is a risk about data.
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Speaker 9: And I get the privacy commissioners, you know, this their role,
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Speaker 9: but they collect or don't collect data. The data of
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Speaker 9: the Bunnies collects is foro point three three of a
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Speaker 9: millisecond before it goes it's not stored anywhere for some hacker.
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Speaker 9: And to use a comparison, whosaying bolt, I hope not
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Speaker 9: a cousin of yours, But the fastest person the planet,
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Speaker 9: he's forty times slower. So it just comes and goes quickly.
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Speaker 9: And they are able to identify who these people are
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Speaker 9: that will have a track record, They can make very
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Speaker 9: reasonable judgments to prevent violence. And we've had way too
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Speaker 9: much violence in retail stores and it threatens all of us.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is that it's weird. You know,
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Speaker 1: if they hired someone who could recognize people by eyesight
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Speaker 1: to sit in front of their store, that'd be okay.
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Speaker 1: That you can't get it with the heir of a machine.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it either. I really don't get it.
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Speaker 1: And look, even if there was a risk, and I
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Speaker 1: don't see the risks myself, if the data is not stored,
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Speaker 1: doesn't the safety of staff and other customers in that store,
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Speaker 1: in these stores come first. When you see this explosion
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Speaker 1: of violence in particular.
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Speaker 9: Well, I don't think it's a trade off between privacy
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Speaker 9: and safety. I think you can ensure safety with good
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Speaker 9: protections around privacy and the safety of people in this case,
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Speaker 9: the children in prams and supermarkets, elderly people. I mean,
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Speaker 9: there's means of us go to supermarkets and stores like
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Speaker 9: Bunnings which you mentioned earlier, or Price Line or Kmart,
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Speaker 9: and we go there in our millions, and these employers
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Speaker 9: have a duty of care which they're exercising and taking
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Speaker 9: on the commissioner saying, we want to make our stores
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Speaker 9: as safe as possible. I think that's an incredibly reasonable request.
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Speaker 9: And I can't work out why the privacy groups are
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Speaker 9: opposing the leadership of the retail stores.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't It baffles me. Well, I'll put it another way.
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Speaker 1: Then that's same question in a different way. Doesn't this
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Speaker 1: ban actually come with a cost? I mean it's I
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Speaker 1: don't know. People seem to be acting like there's nobody
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Speaker 1: looking at them, or nobody who'll punish them, or you know,
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Speaker 1: there is no conscience involved here. The way they're treating
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Speaker 1: staff is incredible. I live in a country town. The
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Speaker 1: nearest stores here. You think it's this as an oasis
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Speaker 1: of peace, but even there have been surprised in the
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Speaker 1: last year or two seeing some of my favorite stores
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Speaker 1: little signs saying don't abuse the custom of the staff here,
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Speaker 1: don't abuse them. I mean, this seems to be something
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Speaker 1: quite new, and I'm wondering about this cost They evolved
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Speaker 1: in not having this igh and the sky as that were.
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Speaker 9: Well, in this case, it's not big brother, and really
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Speaker 9: it's the opposite. I mean Rob Scott, who's the CEO
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Speaker 9: of West Farmers, which is, you know, a very respected company.
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Speaker 1: He points out, this is not.
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Speaker 9: About petty theft or even people just begetting a bit
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Speaker 9: outgrow This is organized crime coming into stores like Bunnings
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Speaker 9: with the shopping list that they're not prepared to pay
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Speaker 9: for the products. Now, last week, Andrew, we had a
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Speaker 9: prime minister throw out of this country the ambassador of
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Speaker 9: a foreign country who was using organized crime.
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Speaker 1: To commit terrorist attacks.
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Speaker 9: These are serious players in community harm. And the idea
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Speaker 9: that that's an infringement on our privacy not to do
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Speaker 9: with organized crime operating in retail stores, I think is
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Speaker 9: you know, it's very disturbing and I can't work out
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Speaker 9: though the Privacy Commissioner hasn't just adapted its thinking and
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Speaker 9: also got a bit modern about the use of AI
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Speaker 9: as an extra part of a way of making us
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Speaker 9: safe when we go out to shop, which we all
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Speaker 9: have to do all the time.
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Speaker 1: Peter Colin, thank you so much for your time, pleasure
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Speaker 1: Andrew after the break, how Christian leaders should get used
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Speaker 1: to persecution and saved their churches by learning from the
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Speaker 1: first church leaders and from a Sydney couple who forgave
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Speaker 1: the killer of three of their children. Churches here have
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Speaker 1: also been suffering from this moral decay, have been talking about.
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Speaker 1: They've been attacked, they've been slandered, the hatred from the medium,
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Speaker 1: from the rights bureaucracy. So the Christianity here has gone
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Speaker 1: from being an establishment faith to really a persecuted one
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Speaker 1: and a minority faith. And I think we're all suffering
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Speaker 1: from that. I mean, I'm sure you also sense a
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Speaker 1: crying lack of a shared moral code or of people
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Speaker 1: acting ethically or kindly. Now, Great Sheridan, this stronde has
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Speaker 1: written a new book about this. I normally having my
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Speaker 1: MA show of course every Monday, to talk about foreign
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Speaker 1: affairs as our top writer. But it's also a Catholic
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Speaker 1: who has now published this third book of Christianity, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's the most important yet called How Christians
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Speaker 1: Can Succeed Today. Greg Sheridan, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: joining me. Look, you say that church leaders should learn
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Speaker 1: from the church leaders in the three hundred years immediately
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Speaker 1: after Christ when the church was also persecuted, except of course,
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Speaker 1: much more violently back then by the Romans. First, what
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Speaker 1: is the analogy with Christianity today? Is this a persecuted
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Speaker 1: church again, at least in the West.
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Speaker 7: Andrew, it's wonderful to be with you, and thank you
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Speaker 7: so much for reading the book. I can't tell you
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Speaker 7: how happy I am wildly that you loved it.
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Speaker 1: I should have said I loved.
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Speaker 7: It so kind of you. Look, I think so the
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Speaker 7: Church is very badly persecuted in some parts of the world,
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Speaker 7: China and North Korea, parts of Africa and so on.
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Speaker 7: In the West, it's I think, confronting a society that
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Speaker 7: has kind of become the opagan and that's where the
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Speaker 7: parallels and the lessons from the early Church are interesting.
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Speaker 7: So we're not going to be thrown in a colosseum
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Speaker 7: and have our flesh torn off by wild bears, would
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Speaker 7: be gored to death by wild bulls or anything. But
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Speaker 7: it is a culture which thinks Christianity is stupid, feeble, nonsensical, illogical,
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Speaker 7: creepy and socially bad. And the first Christians faced all
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Speaker 7: that and a thousand things worse than that, and they
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Speaker 7: were brilliant at getting the attention of the society.
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Speaker 1: That they were in.
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Speaker 7: They were very brave at dealing with persecution. They didn't
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Speaker 7: seek persecution, but there were red lines they wouldn't cross,
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Speaker 7: just like Christians today, can't you know the manly we'ring
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Speaker 7: rugby league players a few years ago wouldn't wear jerseys
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Speaker 7: that signified beliefs that they didn't believe in. The Christians
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Speaker 7: are also very kind of people, so in the face
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Speaker 7: of plagues, when most people just ran away and panicked,
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Speaker 7: they stayed and helped each other and helped other people,
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Speaker 7: and more of them survived as a re They were
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Speaker 7: a pro girl, pro woman movement, so they you know,
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Speaker 7: baby girls were often left out to die by Roman families.
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Speaker 7: Christian families had a lot more girls, so they were
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Speaker 7: a lot happier than other families. And they earned a
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Speaker 7: fantastic reputation over time, and they attracted people by the
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Speaker 7: quality of their lives and then the transcendence and the
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Speaker 7: message of Christ's presence in people's lives. And they confronted
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Speaker 7: all the difficulties we confront today. And they were real people.
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Speaker 7: They weren't just magicians or something. You know, if they
30:31
Speaker 7: were shortsighted, they were shortsighted if they were short of food.
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Speaker 7: They had to raise money, They had to make slackers work.
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Speaker 7: They disagreed with each other, they squabbled. They had the
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Speaker 7: same personality as Andrew Bolton, Greg Sheridan. They wrote everything down,
30:43
Speaker 7: they argued about everything. Terrific people to write about, and
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Speaker 7: wonderful lessons there for us.
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Speaker 1: Well, you see, this is the thing. Despite all that persecution,
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Speaker 1: which is far more than the church suffers now, in
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Speaker 1: just three hundred years years he had church namers explode
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Speaker 1: from is estimated as many as well tops maybe five
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Speaker 1: hundred people or maybe a bit more at the time
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Speaker 1: of Christ's crucifixion who are Christians? And somethingly three hundred
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Speaker 1: years later, despite all the persecution bang they became the
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Speaker 1: official religion of Rome in three hundred years. Now. I'm
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Speaker 1: just wondering what lessons that as church leaders should learn
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Speaker 1: then from those church leaders are the first three hundred years,
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Speaker 1: Because to tell the truth, Greg, a lot have seen
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Speaker 1: to me too scared to say boo to a goose
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Speaker 1: if they're going to get criticized of being I don't
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Speaker 1: know Christian.
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Speaker 7: Well, you make a very fair point, Andrew, but I
31:43
Speaker 7: think we've got a good new pope. And I'm not
31:47
Speaker 7: bad mouthing the old pope, but I think we've got
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Speaker 7: a good new pope. But what lessons should we learn?
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Speaker 7: So one thing is the early Christians try to get along.
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Speaker 7: They're very kind of people, but they had their red lines.
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Speaker 7: They wouldn't compromise. There are things they just would do.
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Speaker 7: So you might take the Euthanasian debate today or something
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Speaker 7: a Christian old folks, they wouldn't. They wouldn't kill an
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Speaker 7: old person. It's just as simple as that. They just
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Speaker 7: wouldn't do it. Also, they never compromised on the transcendent
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Speaker 7: weirdness of their message. They believed they ate the flesh
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Speaker 7: and drank the blood of their executed rabbi teacher, who
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Speaker 7: was part of the Godhead, who was the second person
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Speaker 7: of the blessed Trinity. And there are countless times when
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Speaker 7: early Christians are in custody. This happened to Paul, and
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Speaker 7: the person in custody says, look, just stop talking about
32:35
Speaker 7: the physical resurrection of Christ, will you, and I'll let
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Speaker 7: you go. And Paul says, no, Christ is the first,
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Speaker 7: He rose in the flesh from the dead, and so forth.
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Speaker 7: And there are other cases where people said, if you
32:48
Speaker 7: will just acknowledge the Roman God, you can go free. Well,
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Speaker 7: they would never do that, so they leant into their weirdness,
32:55
Speaker 7: to their transcendent supernatural quality. They never compromise their message.
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Speaker 7: They were kindly, but they were uncompromising on the substance
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Speaker 7: of everything that they said and did.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think, and this is the end of your book,
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Speaker 1: is people that really show the faith. This is the message,
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Speaker 1: I think. Be not afraid say what you believe in,
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Speaker 1: and by the example of your life, you will convert people.
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Speaker 1: And one of the case of the examples you give,
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Speaker 1: and I was extremely moved by this your interview with
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Speaker 1: Danny and Layla Abdullah, who lost three of their children
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Speaker 1: when a drunk driver killed them and a cousin of
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Speaker 1: the children and they walked for ice creams a drunk driver.
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Speaker 1: They immediately forgave Look at this, I think.
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Speaker 6: In my heart I forgive him that I would report
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Speaker 6: to it to.
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Speaker 1: Be fair, right, it's all about famous.
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Speaker 4: So I'm not going to hate you, but that's not
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Speaker 4: here we are, and that's not what I would need
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Speaker 4: to just tell us.
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Speaker 15: I forgive you, but I want to to differing.
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Speaker 1: So why did you include the Abdullahs in this book.
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Speaker 7: Well, Andrew, I'm glad you draw attention to them. They
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Speaker 7: are two of the most extraordinary people I've ever met.
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Speaker 7: So the first half of the book is about the
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Speaker 7: early Christians. Second half of the book is about Christians today,
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Speaker 7: some famous, some not, who are living out the same
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Speaker 7: values with the same effect. Danny and Layla live with
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Speaker 7: an unspeakable grief, just an unbearable grief. Really, every year
34:27
Speaker 7: there are three birthdays to celebrate. They are a warm hearted,
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Speaker 7: beautiful Maronite family. And I spent a day with them,
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Speaker 7: really and have spoken to them many other times. But
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Speaker 7: I think Layla lives in the palm.
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Speaker 1: Of God's hand.
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Speaker 7: Really, she is always transacting business with Heaven. Danny is
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Speaker 7: a big, square, tough guy. He's a builder, he's a kickboxer.
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Speaker 7: He's a tough Lebanese Maronite guy. But he said to me,
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Speaker 7: you know, whether the driver gets one hundred years in
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Speaker 7: jail or one day, that's not justice for me. That
34:59
Speaker 7: doesn't bring my three heads back. And I can't hate
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Speaker 7: this guy. Jesus tells us to forgive. Layla told me
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Speaker 7: that when she forgave the guy, she didn't know she
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Speaker 7: was going to do it. It just came from the
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Speaker 7: Holy Spirit. And in a sense they saved his life,
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Speaker 7: because if you're in prison and you hurt children, that's
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Speaker 7: not a comfortable place to be. But it seems like
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Speaker 7: the other prisoners hook on board. But more than that,
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Speaker 7: in your book, you say they converted the driver himself
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Speaker 7: to marinat Christianity, and of course have helped convert a
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Speaker 7: number of people since simply by their example. And this
35:34
Speaker 7: is what's coming out. The example speaks loudest. Greg Sharon,
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Speaker 7: an excellent book, How Christians Can Succeed Today. Recommend anyone
35:43
Speaker 7: interested in the faith read it because it's got life
35:45
Speaker 7: lessons as well as lessons for Christians. Greg Sharan, congratulations.
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Speaker 1: After the Break the Brazen Fossils told by Anthony, I'm
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Speaker 1: uneasy before angry farmers chased the Prime Minister out of
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Speaker 1: their town to a fact check to help explain why
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Speaker 1: angry farmers chased the Prome Minister out of Ballarat and
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Speaker 1: the tractors last Friday, Anthony Albanese was in the town
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Speaker 1: for a bush summit and the farmers were read hard
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Speaker 1: about you know, having wind towers and power lines on
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Speaker 1: their landscapes and farms, plus new laws to find them
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Speaker 1: if they stopped officials going on to their land to
36:24
Speaker 1: see where they build even more. And he made the
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Speaker 1: farmers a promise.
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Speaker 13: Oh bullshit, people, it.
36:32
Speaker 1: Was a promise he broke.
36:35
Speaker 15: Please, so we do need energy, and the cheapest form
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Speaker 15: of new energy is renewables.
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Speaker 1: False. In fact, around the world is the same as here.
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Speaker 1: The more wind and sold the power, the more electricity
36:56
Speaker 1: bills tend to go up. But then albanezis is something
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Speaker 1: he and he must have known was false.
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Speaker 15: Science told us that climate change was real.
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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, we'll have to stop if you keep interjecting.
37:14
Speaker 15: Told us that the science was real, and we are seeing,
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Speaker 15: we are seeing what the science told us would happen.
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Speaker 1: Total bull check this headline I saw last week in
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Speaker 1: one of the nine newspapers, Sydney sets the rain record
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Speaker 1: and climate change means it will only get wetter. Yet
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Speaker 1: seventy years ago, during a drought in Sydney in the southeast,
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Speaker 1: thenin newspaper said the exact opposite, this drought man if
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Speaker 1: a break and quoted a biometeorology experts say, perhaps you
37:43
Speaker 1: should call it a new climate. And in fact, climate alarms.
37:46
Speaker 1: Still Flammy was saying the same, saying, if the computer
37:49
Speaker 1: models are right, then drought conditions will become permanent in
37:53
Speaker 1: Eastern Australia.
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Speaker 9: Even the rain at falls isn't actually going to fill
37:58
Speaker 9: our dams and our river system.
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Speaker 1: Should know and he should know that what climate experts
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Speaker 1: were predicting then was in fact the opposite of what
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Speaker 1: we actually got. Because he was a very senior figure
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Speaker 1: in the Gilrad Labor government, which are twenty eleven rewarded
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Speaker 1: Flannery for that scare mongering by making him our first
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Speaker 1: climate Commissioner. Joining me is Lisa Goddard, former foreign correspondent,
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Speaker 1: founder of ad Only Media, and Steva Trevoura, author and
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Speaker 1: senior lecture and history of Campion in College seven. The
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Speaker 1: anger of those farmers in Ballarat is the government's net
38:29
Speaker 1: zero climate crusade turning toxic in the bush. Well.
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Speaker 16: I think we both know it's been toxic for a
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Speaker 16: long time and the farmers and people in the regions
38:37
Speaker 16: have been bearing the brunt of this net zero scam
38:41
Speaker 16: for years now through increased energy costs, particularly when certain
38:47
Speaker 16: operations out there rely very heavily on fossil fuels. Lack
38:50
Speaker 16: of consultation, scarred landscape because of these wind turbines, expensive
38:56
Speaker 16: environmental requirements and now in Victoria fine for non compliance.
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Speaker 16: Net zero has proven to be a very cruel fantasy
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Speaker 16: out in the regions and I can only hope Australians
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Speaker 16: who have historically loved farmers will see the damage that
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Speaker 16: it's caused to farmers and the regions and really start
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Speaker 16: to wake up to the cruelty of the net zero utopia.
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Speaker 1: Yeah but Lisa, the Poles say that most of the
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Speaker 1: strands are runable with the net zero agenda, and the
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Speaker 1: Opposition is too scared to say we're it's going to
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Speaker 1: drop the target of you know that net zero target
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Speaker 1: cutmissions in net zero for twenty fifty. And what's interesting
39:38
Speaker 1: is the National's MP Bunderby Joyce is pushing a bill
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Speaker 1: to scrap that target. Has now worn the Liberals Andrew
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Speaker 1: Hasey not to vote for it in case it means
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Speaker 1: Hasty being forced to quit. Is the Opposition of Home
39:48
Speaker 1: Affairs spokesman for embarrassing leadersus in lead. It's such a mess.
39:52
Speaker 1: What should Hasty do?
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Speaker 7: Andrew?
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Speaker 11: If you look at the reaction of that crowd and
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Speaker 11: seriously for the PM to go to that country crowd
40:01
Speaker 11: and say and try and sell the green dream. He
40:04
Speaker 11: was completely out off the reservation. He should not have
40:07
Speaker 11: been trying to sell that to those people. What they
40:09
Speaker 11: wanted to hear was some common sense. They don't want
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Speaker 11: to see their farmland handed over to wind farms and
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Speaker 11: solar panels. They don't want to be turned against the
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Speaker 11: farmer they've lived next door to for generations, because one's
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Speaker 11: putting on wind farms and one isn't.
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Speaker 1: So he didn't pick.
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Speaker 11: His audience properly when he was there to say and
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Speaker 11: as you said the BS line, he followed it up
40:27
Speaker 11: with this is all about respect. Well, there's no respect
40:30
Speaker 11: for the people of this on the land in this
40:31
Speaker 11: country when you look at what is happening with renewable energy.
40:34
Speaker 11: And when it comes to Andrew Hasty, he was one
40:36
Speaker 11: of the very first ones. You'll remember he put his
40:38
Speaker 11: hand up. He pushed for w Way to say it
40:40
Speaker 11: is time to dump the WA Libs, to dump net zero.
40:44
Speaker 11: He surely now as a conviction conservative because that's how
40:48
Speaker 11: he's being seen. He surely now can't back away from that. Yes,
40:51
Speaker 11: he may cop some heat in the party room. Yes,
40:53
Speaker 11: It may do him some short term damage, but isn't
40:56
Speaker 11: that what we want. We don't want someone who was
40:58
Speaker 11: like the PM in that room, hopping the flat from
41:01
Speaker 11: a country people who say we've been completely forgotten about
41:04
Speaker 11: we actually what a politician will stand up and fight.
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Speaker 11: So I think he has to say no, follow the
41:09
Speaker 11: line that he's been saying the whole time. It is
41:11
Speaker 11: a straight jacket and we need to get out of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the thing is, Stephen, the polls the Poles
41:19
Speaker 1: have frightened the Liberals. It's like they're fighting against the
41:22
Speaker 1: whole culture and they can't win. They reckon.
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Speaker 16: So I think the Liberals need to understand that when
41:29
Speaker 16: someone is asked about net zero and they might say yes,
41:31
Speaker 16: I support that, it doesn't mean they really care about it.
41:34
Speaker 16: They've been asked about it and they could have said yes,
41:37
Speaker 16: they could have said no, and they've said yes. It
41:39
Speaker 16: doesn't mean they really care very deeply about it. And
41:43
Speaker 16: I think when we understand that subtlety, we'll see that
41:46
Speaker 16: when the Liberal Party actually starts to back away from
41:49
Speaker 16: it and really explains to Australia how expensive it's going
41:53
Speaker 16: to be, that Australians will actually follow them. I actually
41:56
Speaker 16: don't think Australians care very deeply about net zero at all.
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Speaker 1: If you phrase it as cost, Lisa, can they win
42:03
Speaker 1: this argument? The liberals?
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Speaker 11: I think they have to be really clear and concise,
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Speaker 11: and you're right, they have to bring it back to
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Speaker 11: cost because when you open up your energy bill, that
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Speaker 11: is what the average Australian is judging this on. You
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Speaker 11: can have all of the lofty hopes of the world
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Speaker 11: for this green dream, but start showing the images of
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Speaker 11: what this our land looks like once you've had the
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Speaker 11: wind farms go through, show the images of the soul
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Speaker 11: of farms.
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Speaker 1: I've been a journalists for thirty years.
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Speaker 11: I can tell you that all the environmental protests have
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Speaker 11: covered over the years, this one, for whatever reason, the
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Speaker 11: media just seem to ignore it. We talk about it
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Speaker 11: here on Sky, but you don't see these types of
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Speaker 11: stories on the ABC. You don't see it being front
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Speaker 11: page news, and sadly the regional newspapers have all pretty
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Speaker 11: much died, so you don't actually see these stories being
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Speaker 11: covered there either.
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Speaker 1: Lisa got out and see the Travura. Thank you very
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Speaker 1: much to you both. After the break, Greta Tunberg shocking
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Speaker 1: new excuse for hamas terrorists. Now what we saw here
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Speaker 1: yesterday this revolt against mess immigration, the definant flying of
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Speaker 1: our national flag. We're also seeing that in Britain or
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Speaker 1: in England, especially where tens of thousands of English flags
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Speaker 1: the crosses and George have been put up lately on
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Speaker 1: lamp posts or anything really by just people on the ground,
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Speaker 1: which distresses the state broadcast of the BBC, which said
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Speaker 1: groups responsible putting up the flags have told the BBC
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Speaker 1: they are motivated by pride and patriotism, but others have
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Speaker 1: said it feels provocative at a time intensions are running
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Speaker 1: high across England over the issue of immigration. Joined me
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Speaker 1: from London is the right broadcasting commentator ester the krakues
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Speaker 1: the great to see what does it say about Britain
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Speaker 1: or Australia that flying the flag is now deemed by
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Speaker 1: many in the BBC or wherever as provocative. That strikes
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Speaker 1: me as troubling.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think former or forum MP but
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Speaker 5: Low stated it perfectly when he said, if you're if
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Speaker 5: the flag of the country that you're living in offends you,
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Speaker 5: you should probably find another country, which is basically, you know,
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Speaker 5: sums up the whole situation here.
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Speaker 1: It's not just.
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Speaker 5: About the fact that people are now feeling reluctant to
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Speaker 5: show the flags of their own country, particularly in the
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Speaker 5: country like England that's not known for being particularly patriotic.
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Speaker 5: It's the fact that for months, for years even, we've
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Speaker 5: been seeing flags for literally everything else on council buildings.
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Speaker 5: You can see the LGBT flag, you can see the
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Speaker 5: Palestinian flags, you can see literally any other flags, but
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Speaker 5: the flags of the country that people are paying taxes in,
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Speaker 5: that people are alleged swearing allusiance to that people, if
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Speaker 5: it came to war, would fight and die for. And
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Speaker 5: this is the problem that we're seeing now, not just
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Speaker 5: in Britain or Australia, but across the worst. There's a
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Speaker 5: sort of shame associated with celebrating your flag. I mean,
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Speaker 5: we've seen such a similar situation in Germany, for example,
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Speaker 5: which you know, has a much more complicated history with
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Speaker 5: its own flag and all of that, and they're saying,
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Speaker 5: why can't we fly the flag here? Why can't we
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Speaker 5: fly the flag in Canada? When the government wants us
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Speaker 5: to pay taxes, they have no problem talking about our
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Speaker 5: duty and what we have to do to make this
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Speaker 5: country tick. But when somehow you want to actually celebrate
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Speaker 5: the country and the values that is stands for, that's
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Speaker 5: a big problem. And unfortunately, Operation Raised the Flag doesn't
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Speaker 5: seem to be slowing down anytime soon, because there are
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Speaker 5: just people in this country that are sick of this.
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Speaker 5: They are sick of having to bow down and feel
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Speaker 5: ashamed for themselves, their history, their country. And unfortunately the
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Speaker 5: BBC's just going to have to put up with it
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Speaker 5: because it looks like it's spreading. You're seeing people raising
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Speaker 5: the flag all across the country now, not just in
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Speaker 5: parts of the South, but in places like the Northeast, Manchester, Liverpool.
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Speaker 5: It's just going to keep growing until there's a real
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Speaker 5: reckoning with the fact that we just can't live in
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Speaker 5: a country that we're constantly told to be ashamed of,
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Speaker 5: especially when the government is taking more and more from
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Speaker 5: us every day.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's fascinating to watch, it really is, and it's
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Speaker 1: interesting that comes from the grassroots. Gritter Tunberg used to
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Speaker 1: be the goddess of global warming. She's stay on another
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Speaker 1: boat to supposedly deliverate to Gaza. The last one was
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Speaker 1: intercepted by Israel. She talked a lot before citing about
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Speaker 1: how evil Israel was, but then came this in an
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Speaker 1: interview with Sky News UK.
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Speaker 5: Can I just ask your thoughts on her mask? They're
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Speaker 5: still holding hostages. What would your message to Hamas be?
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Speaker 4: Again, there is a genocide going on. Palestinas have been
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Speaker 4: living under suffocating oppression and when there's an occupational force,
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Speaker 4: this is not my views. By international law, people have
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Speaker 4: a right to resist that occupation.
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Speaker 1: I think things about that is there. I mean, first,
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Speaker 1: Isra was not occupying an inch of gas when her
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Speaker 1: mask took those hostages too, there is no genocide. And
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Speaker 1: three is she excusing her mask for holding and stabbing
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Speaker 1: Jewish hostages?
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you what's even more incredible that And you know,
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Speaker 5: as a national broadcaster like Sky News UK is even
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Speaker 5: asking a young lady who's basically a truant that became
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Speaker 5: world famous for when you go about climate change, anything about
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Speaker 5: the nuances of the Israel Gaza conflict. That's what I
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Speaker 5: find astonishing. Why what qualifications does she have? The last
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Speaker 5: book that she tried to take to Gaza, which is
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Speaker 5: literally a war zone, was intercepted. Why is she doing
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Speaker 5: this again for the attention? And this is what I
47:05
Speaker 5: keep saying, it's become the omni cause people that have
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Speaker 5: no real intimate understanding of these sorts of issues. It's
47:12
Speaker 5: become the same as you know, LGBT rights and climate
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Speaker 5: change and now is regards that they're just one cause
47:18
Speaker 5: for people that have nothing better to do than to
47:20
Speaker 5: just make media headlines. And the fact that that journalist
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Speaker 5: because seriously, ask this young woman with a straight face,
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Speaker 5: not what job do you have? Are you going to
47:28
Speaker 5: seek employment anytime soon? But what would your message be
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Speaker 5: to Israel? As if the Knesset is in any way
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Speaker 5: making political decisions based on Gretatunberg is hilarious to me.
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Speaker 1: But when she's get asked about her Masks, which has
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Speaker 1: slaughtered twelve hundred duced and started this war, still doesn't
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Speaker 1: have the chutures underground. No, well, I know, but she
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Speaker 1: just doesn't want to talk about that. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: just the denial is extraordinary.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, she doesn't, she doesn't have a clue. I mean,
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Speaker 5: I'm I'm sure she would say something nice like, oh,
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Speaker 5: we've released the hostages and all I want is peace,
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Speaker 5: But the reality is she's just grandstugning and she's using
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Speaker 5: this conflict as a way to get her name in
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Speaker 5: the headlines. I'd like to remind people that this lady
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Speaker 5: is in her early twenties. It's high time she found
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Speaker 5: a job.
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Speaker 1: Yes, no one can accuse you of slacking. I think
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Speaker 1: we probably know. I've lost count maybe three or four,
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Speaker 1: five six jobs, So thank you very much for including
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Speaker 1: this show is one of them. It's so correct. We've
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Speaker 1: talked to you later. Actually, I've got something announcement on
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Speaker 1: that front I will make tomorrow, but so stay for that,
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Speaker 1: but for tonight. That's it from me for tonight now,
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Speaker 1: Sherry Maxon, good Night,