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Trump Sues the BBC, Cheating Pub Quizzers, and Tariffs Gone Bananas · Mark and Pete

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  Trump sues the BBC cheating pub quizzes and tariffs go bananas.
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  Welcome to Mark and Pete. And this week we're blessed with
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  Trump threatening to sue the BBC for roughly the GDP of Wales, a
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  crafty quiz team of the barking dog who thought silent prayers
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  into his smartwatch and phone counted as fair play, and a set
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  of South American tariffs that have well and truly gone
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  bananas. Buckle up, old chap.
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  It's time to get into it. This is Mark and Pete, 2 blokes
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  with half an opinion. Here's our first story.
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  Look, sharp folk who poke the grizzliest political bear should
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  perhaps apologise and pause, because the beasts may rear and
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  glare and scratch with their legal claws.
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  Oh yes. The biggest bear in the land?
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  U.S. President Donald Trump.
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  Now he has said that he will take legal action against the
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  BBC over how his speech was edited by Panorama.
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  Well, not just the Panorama programme, there were many other
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  issues that the BBC have been accused of.
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  Mr. Pete, I ask you this saga continues.
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  Is it right that Donald Trump should even go down this route
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  and does the BBC have any form of defence?
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  Well, it's, it's an interesting question.
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  I mean, just from the point of view of Michael Peter, of
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  course, I normally say, well, we're big fans of whatever we're
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  talking about. And I guess we're big fans of
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  Trump for a lot of what he does for the BBCI can't really say
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  that. I mean, they've been
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  increasingly an embarrassment to the country, far from being a
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  jewel in the crown for the companies, for the countries it
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  used to be thought of. And I would agree, some great
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  journalism was done back in the day, but not recently.
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  Incredibly biased and as part of their world view, the culture
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  within the BBC that that just cannot stand Donald J Trump.
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  And so should it be that. So, you know, first of all, I
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  agree with him. I think that they're biased.
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  I think that they were trying to put across a view of Donald
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  Trump, which meant that he, if they could get it across well,
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  he wouldn't win the election because it was short before the
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  2024 election. But that's so I'd like it to be
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  done. Go, go Donald.
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  But should it be done? And I think that again, the
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  answer is yes. I think if we if the BBC is
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  allowed to get away with this, then it's just going to get
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  worse. And it's already an
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  embarrassment. I said it's already so biased.
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  It's already ruined other people's lives.
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  I mean, maybe you're going to mention that.
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  But people who without the resources of Donald Trump to
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  sue, you know, it's very expensive to do so, have been
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  ruined by the BBC. Their reputation's been ruined.
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  It's time for their comeuppance. That's what I think.
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  Well, it is true that the BBC has been beset with scandals,
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  but let's just keep focus to the Donald Trump scenario.
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  And even though the Donald Trump said that he will take the BBC
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  to court, the fact of the matter is it's all about jurisdiction.
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  How will this really work? And it also what is the size of
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  the compensation? Because there is potentially
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  anything between 1 billion and even up to 5 billion that's been
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  muted. But I, I think we're ready to
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  get to what Donald Trump is really sort of talking about
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  here. It's possibly true that
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  irrespective of what we thought of the edited clips where Donald
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  Trump was giving a speech before the election in terms of where
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  he originally lost the election and it was deemed as though he
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  was citing a riot. But naturally, really what he
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  was doing, he was doing completely the opposite.
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  He was taken out of context. Yes, it's.
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  About the, the, the story that the BBC did, it was about events
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  four years earlier, in 2020. In the election, then, yeah.
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  And I think that the critical thing is, whilst that some of
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  the editing may not necessarily have influenced the outcome of
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  the US election at that particular point in time, it's
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  about reputation, isn't it? It's about somebody's ability to
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  be able to stand with integrity against what they originally
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  said. And because the BBC had taken
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  that out of context, really what Donald Trump is really
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  championing here is you cannot do that.
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  You cannot, you know, vilify somebody in that way and
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  misrepresent them. And I guess it's this is about
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  the point about misrepresentation.
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  What we also need to highlight here is it wasn't just about a
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  Panorama programme. There was also an editing or a
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  mistaken representation of Donald Trump with ABBC programme
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  called Newsnight, and that was again a different situation at a
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  different time, but the principle being exactly the
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  same, that Donald Trump was misrepresented.
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  So reputation matters, doesn't it, Mr. P, Particularly when it
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  comes into politics, but also for Donald Trump about his
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  reputation as a businessman and as a credible individual.
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  So I think he's got a very strong case here, hasn't he?
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  Yes. And now he has a strong case
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  The, the, the it's about reputational damage as you were
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  pointing out, not necessarily skewing the election so that
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  it's not necessary that you showed that it was broadcast in
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  America just before the election.
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  It wasn't broadcast in America at all.
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  It's harming his reputation, not just in America, but in one of
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  the country, one of the chief allies of America, United
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  Kingdom. It's a reputational damage.
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  So I think that's a red herring to say that it wasn't broadcast
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  in America, which was in the statement for the BBC to say
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  that. So in in in suing for and saying
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  he's had representational damage.
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  I think he has a a strong case because it wasn't that they
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  presented his words and gave an opinion.
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  They edited 2 statements which were 54 minutes apart in a long
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  in a, in a speech. A long speech in which, as you
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  know, Donald Trump, this is wonder if they've ever heard
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  him. He rambles and meanders about in
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  his speech in in a charming or annoying fashion, depending on
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  whether you're fans of him or not.
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  But he though it's 2 completely separate bits of the speech put
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  together to make it look like he was calling for violence, which
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  he wasn't. He was calling for the opposite.
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  He wanted to put pressure on those inside the Capitol
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  building who were deciding on which votes were going to be
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  allowable in the election to put pressure to show that there was
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  concern. He didn't want any violence
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  because that would just ruin it. You know, aside from the fact
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  whether him thinking is wrong to for for there to be violence, it
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  it wasn't to his advantage for the to be violent.
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  Obviously he wasn't doing that and they gave that impression.
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  So the way that I look at it is this he he is likely to succeed.
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  I don't think he's likely to be awarded $5 billion or anywhere
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  near that. That's a huge amount for a
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  British court. But what I asked you to.
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  Yeah, sorry. Go on.
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  Well, I do think that this is more around and I agree with
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  you, it's about even though the BBC, ironically we should state
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  did apologise, it might not necessarily be what he was
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  looking for. And even though that we have
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  seen that the BB CS director general Tim Davian, the head of
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  news, Deborah Turnus has resigned, I don't think that's
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  enough. I think the BBC has had a big
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  wake up call and it's also about, and I think this is what
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  Donald Trump has intimated. What does the BBC need to do to
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  get its act together? It needs to rethink about how it
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  looks, its editorial standards, its checking processes.
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  But also it goes way beyond this because the BBC has been riddled
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  with scandals in so many other ways, also news related.
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  We don't need to drag them all up.
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  But also in some of its other creative programme setting,
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  it's, it's really not in the best state.
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  And for the British people, they're paying a subscription or
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  a licence fee for this. And I think it's probably about
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  time that the government stepped in and helped to restructure it
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  because at the moment, clearly there's a cultural problem, yes.
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  Yes. So the big in the BBCI think,
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  and I think it needs to change and let's hope that that the
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  good old Donald Trump, good old DJT can push them in that
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  direction. Yes, and I look forward to
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  Donald Trump reading out the latest BBC News.
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  He would make a great reader. Yeah.
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  All right. Let's move on to a slightly
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  different angle. And I must say that when it
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  comes to, you know, the world around us and the quizzes that
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  we are faced with everyday, well, you do definitely get some
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  questionable answers. Now, what is a local pub quiz in
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  the beginning? An activity where brainy teams
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  try to compete? What is the solution to always
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  winning? Using your smartphone and watch
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  to cheat. Oh.
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  Yes. There are different ways of
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  getting your. Way.
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  When it comes to a pub quiz, Well, not unless you are a team
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  at the Barking Dog pub. Yes, this is a pub that has a
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  local quiz, and I must admit that the twist with this
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  particular story is that the bosses at the pub in Urmston,
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  Greater Manchester actually had a regular quiz. 30 LB bar tab to
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  the winners. Whoa, big big prizes.
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  They suddenly discovered that one of the teams consistently
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  won every single pub quiz. And we now discover, Mr. Pete,
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  that basically they were caught red handed because they were
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  cheating using their smartphones and smart watches.
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  Well, I must say, you could say that's entrepreneurial, but it's
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  underhand as well. Yes, I mean, they went so far as
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  to use that Shazam app which listens to music for you.
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  Yeah, tell you what it is. I mean, that's that's just
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  extreme cheating. You know, the Bible says
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  Proverbs 10 verse 9. Whoever walks in integrity walks
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  securely, but whoever takes crooked paths will be found out.
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  And I think they needed to be found out.
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  It's, it's the, the pub quiz is an integral card part of British
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  culture. We, we like our Pope quizzes.
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  And if we, if we could have people just using their phones
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  in them, it takes, it takes away the whole enjoyment of it.
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  It wasn't them that knew it. It was the phone that knew it
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  all. Yes, some app that knew it or
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  some AI feature that knew it or even Auntie Mabel down down the
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  road who's not on the team and you, whatever, you shouldn't be
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  using your phone or your or your smart watch.
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  Well, you shouldn't, but to me it's it's just the underhanded
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  side to this because what I mean, you could, you could argue
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  you could say, well, look, no, everyone can use their
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  smartphones and watches if it's the fastest finger 1st to get
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  the answer out. Well, OK.
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  At least it's parity. But unfortunately this wasn't
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  the whole point was is that you had to use your mind and that
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  was the whole point is. But here's here's the thing,
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  isn't it incredible that you know some people are prepared to
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  do this even for just £30? Yes, yeah.
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  I have to say though, um, that you might say that technology is
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  great. Um, this comes back to really
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  what we said, you know, about many other things that the app
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  that you mentioned, as well as other apps, there are other apps
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  that can give you the answers. Folks is really, we're very
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  reliant, aren't we? And it shows about temptation
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  here because this, this story suggests to me that have there
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  been no prize? Most, most people probably would
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  have walked away thinking, well, it doesn't really matter.
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  It's the fact there's a monetary value and really the the
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  cheating there. How do you live with yourself if
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  you're caught cheating in this way because you've pocketed
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  money? I suppose they may have had to
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  return the the prize, but I hope so.
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  It's again, it comes back to reputation.
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  I know we talked previously about the Donald Trump scenario,
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  but it's reputation here. Can you really be banned from
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  quiz pub quizzes if you're caught cheating?
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  I think the barking dog needs to look seriously at banning people
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  for who've cheated this way. And of course there are ways of
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  stopping you. You know, you could just say,
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  well, you need to take off your smart watch and you need to take
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  your phone and put it in this, put it in this tray here.
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  Yeah, yeah, I, I think that they yeah.
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  I mean, yes, they may be way, way Israeli, but yeah, you need
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  to, you need to cut it out. And we can't have that sort of
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  cheating. I mean, pub quizzes are then if
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  we don't have integrity there, they're going to go the way of,
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  you know, athletics and and other places where people cheat
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  drug. Yeah, they cheat you with drugs.
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  I'm not sure whether whether drug answers.
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  I don't know whether drug tests in the Poquers are quite are are
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  quite the way because of course alcohol is encouraged as being
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  drunk as part of them. That's true.
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  But the other forms of cheating, which these are let's get rid of
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  them. Let's let's get back to using
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  the bind. We could go further than that,
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  he said what use of smartphones and and smart watches as well
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  have have ruined a lot of things.
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  They enhance you think they're enhancing it, but they're not
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  like conversation at the dinner table.
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  The people talking about something.
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  Oh, I just look that up. I'll ask ChatGPT what they
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  think. I'll, I'll, I'll Google it and
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  you end up having everyone on the phone and not talking to
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  each other. So they ruin, they're ruining
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  everything, Mr. Mark, they're ruining everything.
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  Let's put a stop to it, please, Barking dog.
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  Well, let's let's move on to a slightly different angle here.
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  And I must admit, this is all about the fruits of life.
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  Santana the banana was youthful and yellow and was once a bright
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  and fruitful fellow. But after days, he observed his
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  back buckled and curved, and now he's older, moldy and mellow.
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  Poor sad. Poor Santana, the banana.
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  Well, ironically, the Trump administration has recently said
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  that import taxes on things like bananas will be lowered as part
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  of a trade deal with the four Latin American countries.
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  Yes, Argentina, Guatemala, El Salvador and Ecuador have come
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  to face much on this when it comes to the tariffs.
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  And of course, for the such countries, things like the
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  export of bananas is rather significant.
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  Mr. Pete, this is great news actually, isn't it, For Santana
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  the banana who doesn't have to go quite some oldie now, What
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  say you about maybe the relief on all of the exports of
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  bananas? Well, I should state at the
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  outset here that I love bananas, though.
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  Really. Of course you do.
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  It'd be great if the prices go down.
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  Just generally. Well, I mean this.
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  Yeah. I, I, I think that this
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  highlights the, the Trump policy on tariffs.
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  He uses tariffs in order to get a good trade deal.
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  He's not using it to punish or to stop free trade with other
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  countries. While the opposite, he's trying
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  to encourage level, A level playing field where you can have
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  free trade with small countries like the ones you mentioned,
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  these four countries in South America, they're small
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  countries, aren't they? So compared to the US economy,
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  they're then they're not really competitors.
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  So when you get a trade deal, it really benefits them.
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  It benefits the US of course, because they get bananas.
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  But you know, you get bananas at a reasonable price.
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  But what would be bananas would be to have poor relations with
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  these countries right on America's doorstep.
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  You want more stability in them. So if you have trade, and if
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  you're having in place conditions within your trade
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  deal such that you're unlikely to come into a political
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  conflict with the US because of the trading deal, then this is a
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  good thing. And this seems to be Trump's
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  policy throughout. He uses the tariffs, yes, to
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  make money, but mainly as a weapon to bring about peaceful
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  trading relationship with countries around the world.
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  So this is a good news story. In this case, Trump's tariff
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  policy has worked and it's good news for these countries, very
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  important that they can get their exports going properly
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  again with being able to charge charge reasonable prices.
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  Well, I agree and we've seen this year that to your point
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  that this technique has disrupted the supply chain, it's
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  affected a lot of countries. You know, if we think of
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  Guatemala and Ecuador and many others who do rely on their
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  natural produce to be able to sort of boost their economy.
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  So I think this is, this is a great thing and, but, but I do
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  think that there is another side to this because you, you did
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  mention about fruits and many other things being, you know,
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  very, very important because it's, it's, it's about, you
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  know, health. Because a lot of things like
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  bananas and even, you know, tariffs that were placed on
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  coffee, etcetera. These are staple diets.
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  And this is really quite important for, for not just the
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  trade between the USA and of course, obviously the Latin
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  American countries, but also it affects other countries around
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  the world. So I think in many ways to your
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  point, what we want is a sort of a, a fair trade agreement, but
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  we also want to ensure that the right products are going to the
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  right people at the right time. And I must admit that for those
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  who really enjoy banana cakes or anything like that, I think
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  maybe we can sort of get back to a more of a healthier diet.
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  Well, I, I must say that we, we've had some really weird and
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  contrasting themes on this particular show.
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  But I think it's quite obvious with who would have ever
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  believed that Donald Trump would be suing the BBC?
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  Who would ever believe that anyone cheat at a pub quiz?
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  I think quite quite honestly, Mr. Pete, I think we can
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  basically say the common theme is the world has gone bananas.
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  Yes, I think so. Well, yes, Mr. Mark, that's,
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  that's the end, I think for this week's show.
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