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SMNTY Classics: Dungeons And Dragons And Women · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
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Speaker 2: I welcome stuff. I never told you a production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: And it's been a long time since we've talked about
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Speaker 2: Dungeons and Dragons, so I wanted to bring back a
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Speaker 2: classic on dungeons and dragons and women, especially because one
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Speaker 2: of my very good friends, who traditionally has not had
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Speaker 2: a good experience with Dungeons and Dragons and hasn't had
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Speaker 2: a good experience with board games, has started to play it.
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Speaker 2: And when I started to play it a lot, she's
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Speaker 2: in like three or four campaigns.
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Speaker 1: It's blowing my mind.
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Speaker 2: Now. We hung out last night and she was talking
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Speaker 2: about the possibility of her being a dungeon master or
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Speaker 2: game master. I was like, WHOA, You've really, like very
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Speaker 2: quickly gotten into this, and she's I mean, she's such
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Speaker 2: a creative person. That makes sense to me, and I
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Speaker 2: think I'm fortunately, which is something we talk about in
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Speaker 2: this episode. Part of her bad experience has been feeling
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Speaker 2: like she doesn't know what she's doing. Men kind of
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Speaker 2: talking over her or dismissing her character, which is something
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Speaker 2: I experienced as well, but not not in the campaigns
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Speaker 2: I've played with friends. No one everyone's so welcoming, and
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Speaker 2: now I'm kind of like I want her to play
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Speaker 2: in my campaign so she can show off and show
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Speaker 2: her like, look, how good of a dungeon master?
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Speaker 1: I am really good.
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Speaker 3: You know. My partner is ready, So whenever you start
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Speaker 3: this new campaign, he is in.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I am thinking about the kind out. But
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Speaker 1: you would be a.
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Speaker 2: Fun uh spectator, Yeah, a fun spectator.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: But it's been interesting hearing her thoughts and where some
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Speaker 2: things have gone wrong and some things have gone really right,
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Speaker 2: especially because they're doing it virtually, and I think there's
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Speaker 2: pluses and minuses to that. The campaign I was working
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Speaker 2: on at this time, one of the players moved to
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Speaker 2: Tennessee and we haven't been able to play since then,
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Speaker 2: and we've been trying to figure out if we're going
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Speaker 2: to do it virtually or like have some hangout in
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Speaker 2: between where we all are I don't know, but yes,
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Speaker 2: it seems people are really into it these A lot
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Speaker 2: of the people in her group are much younger, and
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Speaker 2: so I'm intrigued by the growing popularity of dungeons and dragons.
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Speaker 1: So please enjoy.
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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and what come to
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Speaker 2: stuff I've never told you production of iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 3: So Annie, Yes, I thought for today's Monday, MANI I
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Speaker 3: was going to do this whole, like big research thing
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Speaker 3: and then like, oh, yeah, I got to handle on
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Speaker 3: this subject for sure, because you've been talking to me
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Speaker 3: about it for so long that I was like, hey,
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Speaker 3: we're good. I'm just gonna put some little facts in here,
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Speaker 3: little statistics. And then as I was researching it, I realized, oh,
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Speaker 3: my goodness, I actually don't know anything about Dungeons and Dragons,
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Speaker 3: which is what we're going to talk about today. Because
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Speaker 3: I thought it would be fun for you to tell
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Speaker 3: us what's going.
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Speaker 1: On in your world of D and D.
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Speaker 3: Right, And I was like, you know what, and for
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Speaker 3: Monday many, not only will we have the personal things
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Speaker 3: that are going on, we'll do a little statistics because
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Speaker 3: I don't know who we've done this. And then as
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Speaker 3: I was looking things up, I realized, yeah, I have
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Speaker 3: no idea what this game is. In my head, Dungeons
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Speaker 3: and Dragons meant you know, there's a dragon maybe, and
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Speaker 3: someone we're in a costume doing magic possibly. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 3: And for those who do love D and D, I'm
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Speaker 3: sorry that was not an insult. I really did not
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Speaker 3: realize what it all was. And I know you've done
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Speaker 3: a little bit about.
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Speaker 2: D and D before before I came on, right, Yes,
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Speaker 2: we talked about it briefly when I had Tracy V.
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Speaker 2: Wilson from Stuff You Missed in History cross on the
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Speaker 2: show and we did one on tabletop gaming, and we
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Speaker 2: talked about our experiences playing D and D and like
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Speaker 2: even with you, Samantha, back when we first started, we
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Speaker 2: did our Trauma mini series, we did those self care
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Speaker 2: things at the end, and mine was always Dungeons and
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Speaker 2: Dragons based. But I would love to of course, me
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Speaker 2: being a nerd, I would love to come back and
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Speaker 2: do a whole episode on Dungeons and Dragons. But Tracy
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Speaker 2: and I talked about how when the game was first developed,
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Speaker 2: women characters had these things called beauty points where you
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Speaker 2: would use your beauty to charm someone or I'm guessing
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Speaker 2: not charm someone, depending on what your character, and just
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Speaker 2: problematic things like that, and I think some racist like
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Speaker 2: tropes maybe in there. This is an interesting world because
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Speaker 2: you've got like dwarves and elves and.
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Speaker 1: They have like traits.
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Speaker 2: But it's changed, for sure, but back when it's I
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Speaker 2: would love to trace the evolution of.
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Speaker 1: That, right for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So from what I understand, this originally was geared
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Speaker 3: toward men, essentially thinking that they would be the ones
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Speaker 3: that joy enjoyed this. But there was an overhaul and
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Speaker 3: in the seventies they're like, wait, wait, wait, there's a
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Speaker 3: lot of women who are really into this as well.
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Speaker 3: But we started seeing like, but if you're a woman,
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Speaker 3: you're gonna have to have these beauty points in these
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Speaker 3: and these and these. But the original creator started by
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Speaker 3: testing this out with his children when I didn't know that,
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Speaker 3: and it involved his son and his daughter, as in fact,
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Speaker 3: the daughter is the one who chose the name Dungeons
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Speaker 3: and Dragons, So I'm not really sure how they veered
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Speaker 3: from that to be like, let's make it a little
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Speaker 3: bit sexist. Yeah, okay, And of course the early editions
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Speaker 3: had help from other women creators like Jeane Wells and
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Speaker 3: Keim Mohan and Penny Williams and apparently a lot a
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Speaker 3: lot more. But yet we still have that like, hmm,
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Speaker 3: you don't want to credit them for some reason, okay, right,
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Speaker 3: And that's when I started realizing, Okay, I don't really
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Speaker 3: know this game. As I'm trying to understand all these things,
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Speaker 3: and I wanted to ask you, can you give us
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Speaker 3: the because what I read was there are some already
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Speaker 3: base characters, but of course it's grown bigger and bigger
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Speaker 3: into the storytelling and you create your own world.
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Speaker 1: But what is the basis of D and D Well,
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Speaker 1: Let me begin.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk about version five E. There have been several versions.
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Speaker 2: I think the easiest way to explain it is it
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Speaker 2: is a role playing game where you have a dungeon
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Speaker 2: master or a game master who runs the game.
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Speaker 1: They are the ones that know the rules that tell
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Speaker 1: the story.
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Speaker 2: So if you were playing with me, Samantha, I would
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Speaker 2: be like, you enter a bar and you hear buzzing
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Speaker 2: of people talking and people are drunk, Like I would
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Speaker 2: paint a picture for you right, and you, as a player,
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Speaker 2: would decide I want to go up and talk to
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Speaker 2: the bartender and get in a bar fight or you.
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Speaker 1: Know, you would say what you want to do.
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Speaker 2: I would tell you, based on the rules of the game,
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Speaker 2: what whether or not you can do that, and what
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Speaker 2: will happen if you do. And that's largely determined by
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Speaker 2: rolling a D twenty dice and seeing if you succeed.
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Speaker 2: If you get a twenty good, one very bad. You're
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Speaker 2: gonna lose that bar fight, Samantha.
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Speaker 1: You're probably gonna lose, lose all your money fall.
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Speaker 2: And get your head stuck in a bucket in a
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Speaker 2: bucket even okay, yes, yes, you do not want a
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Speaker 2: one very very bad okay.
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Speaker 1: And so you create these characters.
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Speaker 2: You choose the race off like an elf or human
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Speaker 2: our dwarf, and then the class, which is like a
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Speaker 2: rogue or a thief character or a mage. You do magic,
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Speaker 2: and then you roll for stats, and there are six
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Speaker 2: main stats, and they are things like charisma, which did
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Speaker 2: yes used to be beauty points or sell well, dexterity,
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Speaker 2: and constitution, and you determine on what you roll. It
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Speaker 2: determines if, like, you're good at being charismatic or if
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Speaker 2: you're terrible at being charismatic, and then that can facts yes,
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Speaker 2: oh gosh, yes, so you have kind of those base things.
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Speaker 2: And then there are worlds and maps and storylines that
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Speaker 2: are already written. So if I wanted to be a
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Speaker 2: dungeon master, but I didn't want to write a whole story,
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Speaker 2: then I can just get one of these and do
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Speaker 2: it that way. I of course like to make things
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Speaker 2: really really complicated for myself. So I homebrew as it's called,
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Speaker 2: and that means you write the entire story.
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Speaker 3: So there is a base, like there is something that
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Speaker 3: you can just automatically use or you become creative zone,
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Speaker 3: which is what I was trying to figure out myself,
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Speaker 3: like what is what's happening? And speaking of that, as
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Speaker 3: you were talking about dungeon masters or dms, and obviously
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Speaker 3: there's been a whole I've noticed a Twitter back and
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Speaker 3: forth like it's a conversation and they're not arguing, but
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Speaker 3: more of a conversation about whether or not to change
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Speaker 3: the term masters. So a lot of people have talked
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Speaker 3: about using moderators and then just doing the initials the DM,
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Speaker 3: the GMS and all of that. So that's a whole
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Speaker 3: different level of conversation. But as I'm reading and trying
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Speaker 3: to figure out this scientific world of dungeons and dragons, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that there's not too many women who take on the
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Speaker 3: DMA or GM role. Can you talk about that a
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Speaker 3: little bit?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: So for me, when I first got into Dungeons and Dragons,
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Speaker 2: I did get into it because of a dude and
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Speaker 2: also because of I thought it would help me figure
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Speaker 2: out the ending of this thing, I was writing, if
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Speaker 2: I had to play as this character, what would she do?
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Speaker 2: And also help with the PTSD, which it's been said
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Speaker 2: that it does. But the reason I put it off
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Speaker 2: so long was because I was afraid of the rules.
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Speaker 2: It's there are a lot of rules, and I thought
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Speaker 2: it was very technical, and if I start playing with
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Speaker 2: people who've already played, and a lot of them dudes like,
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to be scared the whole time to
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Speaker 2: do anything, and I'm not going to do anything. Which
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Speaker 2: it was like that, not in terms of people being
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Speaker 2: mean to me at all, but it was like that
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Speaker 2: where I was just nervous that I was going to
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Speaker 2: screw up in heavy quotes, and it is kind of
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Speaker 2: a it can be really vulnerable, especially with the character
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Speaker 2: I did, where you do have this kind of close
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Speaker 2: connection where it's like I felt so timid.
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Speaker 1: Like well, she would do this.
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Speaker 2: Right, and unsure of just how the rules work and
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Speaker 2: not wanting to really screw up. But I played for
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Speaker 2: probably a year, and then it became we didn't want
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Speaker 2: the same person to have to run the game again
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Speaker 2: because it is a lot of work, but no one
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Speaker 2: else wanted to run it. I wanted to keep playing,
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Speaker 2: so I had to. If that was the case, I
10:53
Speaker 2: had to do it.
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Speaker 3: You had to take up the mantle.
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Speaker 2: I had to take up the mantle. But I was
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Speaker 2: extremely intimidated to do it. I will say I had
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Speaker 2: talked to friends about it and heard about how being
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Speaker 2: a woman and being a DM, they felt like they
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Speaker 2: got called out more about like rules knowledge and like
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Speaker 2: are you sure I think I can get away with it,
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Speaker 2: you know, like kind of being questioned.
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Speaker 1: And these were friends of mine I.
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Speaker 2: Was playing with, so I wasn't really worried about that,
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Speaker 2: although in the heat of the game, people will be like,
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Speaker 2: are you no get out that rule book right right?
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Speaker 2: And just because I had, I know the rule book
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Speaker 2: is huge, I would guess, yeah, yeah, And I'm lucky
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Speaker 2: that I play with people.
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Speaker 1: Who are pretty flexible.
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Speaker 2: Unless it gets down to it, then they want to
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Speaker 2: know the rule but you know, like you're more interested
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Speaker 2: in the game moving on smoothly than getting every rule correctly.
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Speaker 2: But I was, you know, me Smith, I'm somebody who
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Speaker 2: wants to get those things correct and then I start
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Speaker 2: doubting myself. So I had to get over that, and
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Speaker 2: I still get nervous, like I'm supposed to play tonight, right,
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Speaker 2: and I'm already nervous. It's like hours away. Yeah, just
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Speaker 2: because you want people to have a fun time. And
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Speaker 2: then I will say something else. I've never experienced this,
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Speaker 2: but I have seen people experience it or be afraid
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Speaker 2: that they would. And I've been afraid of it too,
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Speaker 2: where you're as a woman worried about sexists. It sounds
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Speaker 2: so strange, but like basically being treated misogynistically in a game,
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Speaker 2: like your character being.
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Speaker 1: Treated that way.
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Speaker 2: So I've played with random people once and it didn't happen,
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Speaker 2: but I was nervous. They were all guys, and I like,
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Speaker 2: what if I'm the only woman character in this game?
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Speaker 1: What if they're like flirting with me or like.
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Speaker 2: The male villain does something like having that concern.
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Speaker 1: And I've heard of it happening, right, I could absolutely
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Speaker 1: see that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that I've never been afraid of that with
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Speaker 2: the people I play with. But somebody I did play
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Speaker 2: with she kind of had. I wouldn't call it a
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Speaker 2: panic attack, but she removed her character from a situation
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Speaker 2: where we were all flirting with like the guards, and
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Speaker 2: then she just was like, no, I don't want to
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Speaker 2: do this anymore. Yeah, And I think it's kind of
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Speaker 2: that fear of like, what is this going to escalate?
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Speaker 1: Right too?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well that's kind of my it's been my experience.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's where I'm just as I'm
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Speaker 3: reading about why people are pushing or who they are saying,
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Speaker 3: and the fact that there has to be justifications of
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Speaker 3: saying literal articles that say, yes, women belong in D
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Speaker 3: and D you know, stuff like that tells you, wait,
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Speaker 3: who said they didn't? Okay, there's a fight for this
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Speaker 3: to even have to be a conversation. And again, one
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Speaker 3: of the things I talked about with the DM and
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Speaker 3: if it was a woman, if it versus being a man,
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Speaker 3: the conversation was like one of the benefits in having
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Speaker 3: a female or a woman to be the DM for
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Speaker 3: this is the fact that they're probably more likely to
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Speaker 3: anticipate a lot more situations. As you've told me, this
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Speaker 3: is the one thing I know is that you have
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Speaker 3: to be ready for any and all posts situations that
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Speaker 3: the players are going to throw at you. A b
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Speaker 3: as well as the fact that you are a very
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Speaker 3: creative storyteller and a lot of the times when it
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Speaker 3: was just all men, it was just all about mechanics
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Speaker 3: and the technicalities and instead of setting up a beautiful storyline.
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Speaker 3: And that's for a lot of even though this is
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Speaker 3: the kind of a gendered conversation, but it has shown
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Speaker 3: true that women are more detail oriented in things like
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Speaker 3: this as well as willing to see a bigger story
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Speaker 3: and or a detailed story. And so that is a
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Speaker 3: benefit of having a woman to be the DM. Would
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Speaker 3: you agree with that? Yeah, in my experience for sure.
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Speaker 2: And I I shuddered to think because our big convention here,
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Speaker 2: Dragon Con, they have a whole floor where you can
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Speaker 2: play dungeons and dragons, and I just feel like, what's
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Speaker 2: going to happen if I ever decided to DM that is,
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Speaker 2: it's just going to be dudes attacking me.
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Speaker 1: For the rules.
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Speaker 2: But the people I play with are pretty balanced between
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Speaker 2: men and women, And I will say the thing that
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Speaker 2: I've noticed anecdotally is that women are more likely to
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Speaker 2: recognize that it is a game and there are rules,
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Speaker 2: and sometimes it's not worth like questioning every single thing, right,
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Speaker 2: Sometimes if you want the story to move on, you
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Speaker 2: have to just in the back of your play of
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Speaker 2: brain be like, Okay.
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Speaker 1: This is a game.
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Speaker 2: And if the if the dungeon master is saying, here's
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Speaker 2: this important flyer, I wouldn't do it that way. But basically,
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Speaker 2: if I'm drawing attention to certain things, pay attention. You
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Speaker 2: should probably pay attention to those things instead of just
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Speaker 2: being like I want to go that way and.
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Speaker 1: Then I have to come up with something completely.
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Speaker 2: That's what I've noticed is like women are, they'll move
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Speaker 2: it along, right, And if you're a good DM, which
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Speaker 2: I like to think I am, then that doesn't usually
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Speaker 2: become a problem.
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Speaker 1: But you'll some players.
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Speaker 2: Are just like, no, I want to go do this
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Speaker 2: and okay, and.
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Speaker 3: That tells me that I don't need to be playing
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Speaker 3: D and D because I probably would be that player. No,
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Speaker 3: you can't tell me what to do.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. I think that I know you
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Speaker 1: well enough that I could.
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Speaker 3: My contrarian personality you'll kind of already know. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 3: thank you for answering that, because, as I said, as
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Speaker 3: I was trying to research it, I was like, I
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Speaker 3: really don't know anything.
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Speaker 1: About this. I just know what Annie is doing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not the overall, but speaking of what Annie is doing, Annie,
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Speaker 3: I need an update about what's going on in your
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Speaker 3: D and D World.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm gonna try to keep this shirt because I
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Speaker 2: could go on.
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Speaker 1: And audit on.
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Speaker 2: So the campaign I was talking about when we first
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Speaker 2: started our Trauma series where I tried to figure out
16:50
Speaker 2: the ending of that character. I did figure out how
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Speaker 2: that story ends. It's very sad, of course. But after that,
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Speaker 2: that was the one I took and it was the
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Speaker 2: first time I ran a game. And that campaign just
17:03
Speaker 2: came to an end a couple months ago after three years.
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Speaker 1: That's a long time. Three years.
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Speaker 2: I've had to figure out how to do it during Quarantine,
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Speaker 2: which involves like a two laptop setup and an overhead
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Speaker 2: camera and all this stuff, and it was really.
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Speaker 1: I have to say, it was really I felt seen
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Speaker 1: in a way.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure I was ready to because it was
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Speaker 2: a very upsetting storyline and I didn't anticipate how I
17:29
Speaker 2: was like, do they think I'm like messed up.
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Speaker 1: RPG?
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Speaker 2: Because they really investigated and I was kind of hoping
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, that's on me.
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Speaker 2: The other one I'm doing I started recently, so it's newer,
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Speaker 2: and I have, of course my poor Cinnamon roll, poor
17:56
Speaker 2: print cinnamon role has just been kidnapped.
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Speaker 1: In this world.
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Speaker 2: It is a world of very many Star Wars based puns,
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Speaker 2: so many like snowby One, Kenobi, Shenanikins, which like imagine
18:11
Speaker 2: trying to keep a straight face and perhaps do a
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Speaker 2: voice when you're saying these things. And I'm lucky that
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Speaker 2: I play with I play with really good friends of mine,
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Speaker 2: and they know me really well, so they try to
18:27
Speaker 2: get me to say all the Star Wars puns. They'll
18:30
Speaker 2: try to get their characters to get to the bottom
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Speaker 2: of the very intricate puns I've created.
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Speaker 3: I still think, because we've talked about this before's you
18:38
Speaker 3: need to do a Patreon because it involved savers co
18:42
Speaker 3: hosts Lauren as well as a stuff I don't want
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Speaker 3: you to know.
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Speaker 1: Co hosts.
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Speaker 3: Ben is no old part of that one too, I remember.
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Speaker 2: No, but he helps me write songs for it. My
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Speaker 2: campaigns have songs in it.
18:54
Speaker 3: Listen. Oh, I still think you need to do like
18:57
Speaker 3: a live feed of or recording of you guys playing.
19:01
Speaker 3: At one point in time, I think people would pay
19:03
Speaker 3: a little bit of money to.
19:04
Speaker 2: See that we actually talked about it. We were going
19:06
Speaker 2: to try to raise money for a charity. Funnily enough, this.
19:12
Speaker 2: You know, always keep in mind if you're nervous, other
19:14
Speaker 2: people are probably nervous too. Because they told me they
19:16
Speaker 2: were too nervous at first to have it, to play
19:19
Speaker 2: it and have other people listen to it.
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Speaker 1: But I bet they would now now that they've played
19:22
Speaker 1: a little bit, they got it. Yeah.
19:26
Speaker 2: They always do just the silliest thing I think they
19:30
Speaker 2: can do, And twice they've completely broken me as a
19:34
Speaker 2: dungeon master where I just couldn't stop laughing. One was
19:37
Speaker 2: of this time where Ben's character tried to talk to
19:39
Speaker 2: some fish. I was trying to get them to go
19:43
Speaker 2: fishing because they needed fish for a meal, and he
19:45
Speaker 2: tried to talk to He put his head in the water,
19:48
Speaker 2: tried to talk to the fish, okay, and I could
19:51
Speaker 2: not stop laughing. I was like, you could just go fishing,
19:54
Speaker 2: which is not very good as a DM, but I
19:56
Speaker 2: could stop laughing. And then in the most recent one,
20:00
Speaker 2: and no one will get this because it's a holiday,
20:02
Speaker 2: the Star Wars Holiday Special Base, but I was trying
20:05
Speaker 2: to get them to realize that Mala needs to break
20:07
Speaker 2: up with Chewbacca and she needs to go hook up
20:10
Speaker 2: with either Mando Orlando. However, they completely misinterpreted the situation,
20:16
Speaker 2: and they're trying to get her to hook up with Wicket,
20:19
Speaker 2: who is the ewok Okay then, and I could not
20:22
Speaker 2: I was dying laughing because they were like writing notes
20:25
Speaker 2: and pretending they were from the other characters.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing, It was so funny.
20:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I do have a character based on
20:37
Speaker 2: your dog, Samantha, Peaches.
20:39
Speaker 3: I had request just to please put her in there,
20:41
Speaker 3: to make a lot of mischief because I feel that
20:44
Speaker 3: represents both me and my dog.
20:46
Speaker 1: Yes, and so Peaches.
20:49
Speaker 2: Basically the plot line is that they have to go
20:51
Speaker 2: to eight cities and get something in every city, and
20:54
Speaker 2: so far they're they're on their third. They're on the
20:57
Speaker 2: way to Tattooine essentially, so the fourth city, and Peaches
21:01
Speaker 2: has shown up in everyone and by now, because Peaches
21:05
Speaker 2: does cause so much trouble, like in the first one,
21:07
Speaker 2: she was like, I told those guys over there.
21:09
Speaker 1: Where you were.
21:10
Speaker 2: They look really angry, but maybe they just and so
21:12
Speaker 2: they had to go fight those dudes.
21:14
Speaker 1: By now they like grown or Yeah.
21:18
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, she's gotten quite a reputation. They've
21:21
Speaker 3: never met my dog, but she's got a reputation, and
21:25
Speaker 3: which I say, I want her to be a lovable
21:28
Speaker 3: dog and she doesn't mean to cause these mischiefs.
21:30
Speaker 1: It just doesn't happens to be.
21:33
Speaker 2: I did toy with the idea that she would be
21:35
Speaker 2: the big bad at the end, but I've dismissed it. Yeah,
21:37
Speaker 2: they've turned it into a verb peaches mcfuzzing something, which
21:41
Speaker 2: means to mess something up.
21:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so that's about again. I could go on
21:49
Speaker 1: and on it.
21:49
Speaker 2: Right, they forgot what was in their bag of holding
21:52
Speaker 2: and oh that something they made me roll for it.
21:56
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So thank you for sharing with me, because
22:00
Speaker 3: again I was like, yeah, let's just do something fun
22:02
Speaker 3: because we're pretty heavy duty with our stuff lately, and
22:06
Speaker 3: this was a good way of talking about gaming. And
22:08
Speaker 3: as we're coming towards end the pandemic, we know we're
22:12
Speaker 3: going to do a little more face to face stuff.
22:14
Speaker 3: And though this is a face to face thing, this
22:16
Speaker 3: has been a nice distraction, I think for you and
22:19
Speaker 3: for others to be able to do this over video
22:22
Speaker 3: conferencing and all that. So I wanted to talk about
22:25
Speaker 3: it and follow up again because I think people love
22:28
Speaker 3: hearing what's going on in these make believe worlds that
22:31
Speaker 3: I know nothing.
22:32
Speaker 1: About obviously you should guess.
22:35
Speaker 3: But yeah, and obviously a world that I don't know
22:38
Speaker 3: much about and involving such a huge I mean, the
22:42
Speaker 3: D and D is probably one of the most popular
22:44
Speaker 3: games of all time essentially, and it's it's able to
22:48
Speaker 3: connect a lot of people, like you talk about how
22:49
Speaker 3: people work at work there some of their trauma, and
22:52
Speaker 3: you've talked about the fact that you know, maybe some
22:54
Speaker 3: daddy issues made the thing and able to like find
23:01
Speaker 3: the ending to your characters whatever in books. This is
23:04
Speaker 3: an amazing outlet, So thank you for sharing that with us.
23:08
Speaker 1: Thank you for letting me talk about it.
23:10
Speaker 2: I do think as we were having this discussion, I
23:14
Speaker 2: realized that of the four groups of people I know
23:18
Speaker 2: that played D and D, all of them have had
23:20
Speaker 2: a female DM.
23:21
Speaker 1: So I think it is having a resurgence.
23:23
Speaker 2: And I do think, I know we talked about it
23:25
Speaker 2: in the Susan care episode with Bridget It does these
23:28
Speaker 2: skills that have been traditionally seen as more like in
23:32
Speaker 2: the realm of women. But I mean, even if you
23:33
Speaker 2: just want to build up skills of like project planning
23:36
Speaker 2: and reading people, this is for you.
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Speaker 1: That's awesome. You can do it. You can do it.
23:43
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure there will be more updates in the future,
23:45
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23:50
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23:53
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