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The PCR Sports Show - Friday 31st October 2025 - with Charlotte Sabatier and Jamie Gibson from Melton Horseball Club · The PCR Sports Show

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Welcome to PCR. Sports.
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Good evening, I'm Dipam, and welcome to the PCR Sports Show
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with myself and Nilesh this week.
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Thank you for joining us. The clocks have gone back and
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it's got dark, so I hope you're home, Home and cozied up in this
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colder temperature. But yeah, thank you for joining
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us. We've got a fascinating show
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lined up this evening. We've been trying to get this
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sport on the show for a number of months.
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We've finally managed it to horse ball.
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Yes, we're as intrigued as you are on that one.
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And we've got representatives from the sport in the studio
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this evening. We've got Charlotte Sabatier and
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Jamie Gibson in with us who are both players, coaches and chair
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people of various organisations and clubs.
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So we will. We can't wait to hear from them
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all about horse balls. So yeah, do stay tuned for that.
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But as first of all, let's go over to Nilesh for this week's
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headlines. Nilesh, how are you?
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Yeah, all good. Thank you.
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Cheers, dipam. And yeah, there's only one place
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to start this week, and that's with the football.
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And we'll start with Peterborough United, who have
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confirmed the appointment of Luke Williams as their new first
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team manager. Williams succeeds Darren
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Ferguson, the most successful manager in Posh history, and the
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new A New Era will kick off with an FA Cup first round tie
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against Cardiff City at the Western Home Stadium on Saturday
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in a three PM kick off. The 43 year old will be assisted
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by former Brighton and Exeter midfielder Ryan Harley.
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The pair work together at Swansea City and Notts County,
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the two most recent clubs previously managed by Williams.
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Williams and Harley have signed contracts until the end of the
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2728 season. Peterborough Sports and they
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staged A sensational N National League N comeback to win their
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crucial basement battle at Southport on Tuesday.
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Sports looked doomed early in the second-half when recent
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signing Connor Wood was sent off as Sport.
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Southport. Sorry celebrated taking A21 lead
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10 minutes into the second-half, but the ten men stayed in the
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game before delivering A superb final quarter of the contest.
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Substitute Luca Miller equalised with 7 minutes to go and just
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two minutes after coming on before Sam Straum Brown grabbed
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a 96th minute winning goal from close range to spark memorable
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celebrations between players and staff.
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This was a big three two win against the team who started the
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game just above Rock Bottom Sports.
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The City side jumped up three places with the three points
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from a third win of the season and they have a game in hand
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which could take them out of the bottom 4.
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Sports host a physically powerful Chorley team at Pyms
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Park on Saturday which is a 3:00 PM kick off before heading to
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Macclesfield Town next Tuesday on November the 4th.
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In ice hockey, Peterborough Phantoms tasted defeat on home
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ice for the first time in the National League this season on
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Sunday. A slow start and a bad finish
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cost the city skaters who went down 5 three to Romford Raiders.
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Phantoms had won five one at bottom club Basingstoke on
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Saturday, but a split weekend meant they slipped a place to
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5th in the standings but just one point behind the two teams
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directly above them. And on Wednesday evening The
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Phantoms travelled to the Raiders and were beaten again by
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their hosts 73. Ashley Tate's men face a weekend
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double header against the whole Seahawks, where they're away on
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Saturday and at Planet Ice on Sunday, with both matches having
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a face off of 530. In gymnastics, World
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Championship gold medal winner Jake Jarman was thrilled to
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finally achieve one of his gymnastics ambitions.
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The 23 year old from Gunthorpe has won multiple medals at
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Olympic Games, World Championships, European
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Championships and Commonwealth Games, but a win in the floor
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competition at a major championship when the best in
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the world were present had always eluded him.
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Until now. Jarman qualified in first place
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for the World Championship individual floor final in
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Jakarta, Indonesia and carried that Form 3 to a win in last
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Friday's final. He beat teammate Luke Whitehouse
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in AGB 1/2 after a dazzling display full of dramatic
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acrobatics including high tariff triple twist manoeuvres which
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had the crowd gasping with excitement and his support group
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in the arena on their feet in delight.
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A little bit of local running news and Yaxley Runners and
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Joggers Ladies team continued their domination of the local
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distance running scene when winning the team prize and
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picking up three age group first places in the Fen 10.
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Kayleigh Longfoot led the team in finishing third on the flat
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and fast 10 mile course just outside Wisbech.
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She ran a time of one hour 4 minutes and 6 seconds.
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The veteran ladies seem to be getting quicker and quicker and
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between them they picked up the over 55 / 60 and over 65 prizes.
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Ros Ros Lutit clocked one hour 13 minutes 37 seconds for 12th
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place. She was comfortably the leading
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over 60. Zoe Rowan was close behind,
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finishing 13th in one hour, 14 minutes and one second.
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Rowan was winning the over 55 category and this Race 2 of the
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Frostbite League takes place on Sunday at Fairy Meadows Country
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Park where 16 running clubs from across the region will compete
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in a 5:00-ish mile cross country race.
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Yaxley will once again be looking for a strong turn out
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and performance. In a little bit of other hockey
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news, Field Hockey and the City of Peterborough ladies beat
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Cambridge S 3 One in their top of the table clash in East
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Division One North on Saturday. Top scorer Lily Craven open the
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scoring midway through the first half but City had to defend well
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to keep their lead until breaking out to double their
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advantage on 52 minutes, again through Lily Craven.
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Amy Mason made it three nil from a well worked short corner
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routine before the visitors to Brettengate pulled a goal back
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with the last play of the game. City who are now point clear of
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Cambridge City, fourths at the top are at mid table Spalding on
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Saturday while the City of Peterborough men's team are back
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in action in National League Midlands Conference at home to
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Oxford Hawks and they play on Sunday, which is a 2:30 PM push
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back. And those are your headlines
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this week, Dipam. Thank you.
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That's stacks of things happening in the city.
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As always. Let's say you started with
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football, which has obviously been very prominent this week.
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Luke Williams, new Posh manager, What can we expect from him and
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his style of play? What do we know about him?
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You know you have your finger on the pulse with all things try to
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have try. To have, I think it's going to
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be very much a keep ball style of football that we're going to
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see. I'm sure there's going to be
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plenty of aggression in there as well.
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Certainly when it comes to the defensive ranks, yeah, it's it's
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plain to see. We've conceded too many goals
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not scored enough and that's a recipe for where we are at the
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moment which is sadly rock bottom of League One.
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But league football can take a break this weekend.
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Posh do face Cardiff City in the FA Cup first round tomorrow and
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Luke Williams being an ex Swansea City manager, will no
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doubt be looking to put one over Swansea's local rivals Cardiff
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City. You just mentioned that.
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I was just about to say that Cardiff fans will probably
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remember him but it's and vice versa.
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He's going to remember them, isn't he?
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Yeah, he's had I think 3/3 Derby games against Cardiff City from
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memory 11, lost one and drawn 1, so let's hope he can put another
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A win in the win column tomorrow.
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Absolutely. And obviously Posh is the main
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concern. The season is is the remaining
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in the league and that's the the sort of priority, I guess, 100.
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Percent it is, yeah. Get, you know, they get through
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tomorrow. Brilliant.
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It's not the be all and end all, but certainly a a win tomorrow
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would boost a little bit of confidence, lift that morale
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certainly across the fan base going into next Saturday's home
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game against Wimbledon. Absolutely.
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And just a quick word on the outgoing manager, Darren
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Ferguson, as you mentioned, club legend, most successful manager
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in a club's history, back-to-back EFL trophies.
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Yeah, it's a sad decision that had to be made, but certainly
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there's no disgrace upon Darren Ferguson, is there really?
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He's had a great record at the club you know, best part of,
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well what is it? 4 stints, success at Wembley who
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you could never have dreamt of, 3/3 trophy wins in total
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promotions. Yes, there's been those
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relegations in there as well, but overall you've got to say
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it's been probably the most successful period in the club's
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history in terms of winning things and the way the club has
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developed under his tutelage over that time.
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Absolutely fantastic and and that kind of, you know, it's a
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legacy he's leaving behind, isn't he in terms of the the
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where the club are OK right now he doesn't seem that way.
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But certainly there's there's probably behind the scenes
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development and things that the club have got now that are far
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better than when he first arrived. 100% and you've got a
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credit the way that Darren Mcanthy's brought that on as
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well, the club owner and he's what is it going to be 20 years
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next year? So yeah, it's not all been plain
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sailing. We've known that, you know,
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relegations, player sales, but you know, so in the last 20
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years it's certainly been a roller coaster ride and let's
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see what tomorrow brings in the next 6-7 months to ensure that
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we're still in League One. Absolutely fantastic.
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And just a quick final word on Peter of sports.
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Results are kind of heading towards where they want to be.
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OK, they're not perfect. However, you can see that
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there's there's a transition there and and things are, let's
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say, heading in the right direction.
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Yeah, the win on Tuesday was crucial.
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The the defeats in the the games prior to that in terms of the
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the late defeats as well, I think really hurts in the manner
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of them as well. But yeah, fingers crossed Peter
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of Sports can also pull away from from that relegation zone
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and take that late victory from Tuesday into tomorrow's
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challenging game against Chorley.
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Fantastic, and look out on our socials for the latest news and
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as their media partner. And yeah, do watch them and keep
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in touch with what's happening at Peter of Sports.
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Thank you, Nilesh. Right, let's get back to this
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evening's show. We'll take a short break, but
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straight after we'll be speaking to Charlotte Subrettier and
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Jamie Gibson, who are horse ball players.
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It's a fascinating sport that we've been speaking about before
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we came on the air. So it's really intriguing and
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it'd be good to to listen to them and hear what they have to
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say about the sport. So do stay in touch.
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Good evening and welcome back to the PCR Sports Show here on
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Friday the 31st of October, Halloween night.
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And before we go out to critiquing, do stay in tuned and
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we're talking horse ball this evening.
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It's Charlotte Sabatier and Jamie Gibson with us from the
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Melton Horse Ball Club. Charlotte is a player coach and
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Jamie is AGB international player and also the chairman of
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the British Horse Ball Association.
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Welcome to you both. How are you?
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Hi, thanks for having us. I'm good.
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Thanks. Yeah, no, it's, it's really nice
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to be here. Hopefully we can have a good
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chat about horse ball and and see if we can maybe spread the
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spread the sport a bit further afield and and see if we can
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gain any interest. Absolutely.
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That's what we want to do. That's why we might yawn because
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like I said earlier, we've been fascinated by this sport for a
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number of months now. And we we were looking for
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contacts to to come on the show and we stumbled across you guys
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and here you are. So thank you very much for
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joining us this evening. So.
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So, yeah, horse ball, whoever wants to answer this, What is
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horsepool? Because that's, I think, a
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question on many people's lips. It's not a sport that many
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people heard of, and it kind of conjures up the imagination when
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you hear the phrase horsepool. But let's clarify that for us.
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But what is Horsepool? Yes, it's definitely not a sport
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that's well known even in the equestrian community, but I
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think it's an like an amazing sport to get involved in.
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It's kind of a mix between rugby and basketball, but on
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horseback. And you have a football that has
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a special harness on it and you use that to pass between
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players. And you have a net and a hoop at
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the end of the pitch that you have to score into well.
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OK, so that's it's probably got a playing area that's let's say
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similar to basketball, let's say for example, but it's on
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horseback and you can pass the ball around.
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How many players per side is it normally?
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So games of four versus 4, you can have up to six players on
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the team and there's like a Subs area and you can switch on and
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in on and off during breaks of play.
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OK. And it's simply a case of
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getting the ball into the net or the basket at the opponent's end
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and and you get a point for doing so.
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Is that how the system works? Yeah, so the team that scores
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the most goals ends up winning the match.
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There are a few rules involved, especially to encourage team
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play. So you have to pass the ball
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between 3 different people before you can score.
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So it really brings in the team aspect and kind of forces it to
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not be an individual sport. Yes, an individual can't just
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gallop from one end of the the playing area to the other and
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just pop the ball in a net type thing.
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No, which is which makes sense. Yeah, absolutely does so.
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And how big's the playing area so that we can kind of get a bit
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of context behind it? The most common one that we have
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is about 25. By 60 it can go up to 70.
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And that's meters, obviously. Yeah, meters.
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Most pitches fit inside a normal arena size, so a lot of the
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venues that we visit there arenas are the right size for us
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to play horse ball, which does make it a really easy sport to
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bring to new venues. OK, and what about the duration
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of every match? How long does a match last?
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Each half of a match is 10 minutes and you have two halves
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and you have a three minute gap in between and then teams can
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take time outs. So normally you'll be playing
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for 20 minutes, but a match can take up to 3045 minutes
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depending on what breaks are used and how many.
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OK. So 10 minutes either side isn't
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a huge amount of time. I was expecting to say more than
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that, but clearly is. And what what sort of sort of
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typical scoring do you get? Is it is it kind of, you know,
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like basketball where it is end to end or can games end like one
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nil or or whatever? Generally you're looking at like
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a a goal every minute, 30 seconds to a minute maybe.
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So if you if you're looking at something like 8-7, something
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like that would would be standard.
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Obviously it depends on the difference between the levels of
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the team. If you've got two teams that are
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that are level in sort of similar ability, but it's great
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because it's close and it's it can be end to end because once
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the goals scored, the other team have a line out and then they
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should in theory have the advantage to win their line out,
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go down the other end and score. And then same again.
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If a game is between two teams that are of different levels,
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then sometimes it can be a bit 1 sided and it could maybe end up
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with, I don't know, 12-4 something like that maybe.
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But it's in general it's it's much more exciting when the
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teams are level. OK.
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And obviously you mentioned Charlotte, that the ball has has
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harnesses on it so that you can, I guess hold it and handle it
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better and pass it around. But you can, I suppose, tackle
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the opposition player to try and retrieve the ball for your side
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again. And I mean, how does that work
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in terms? Because if you've got hold of
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harness quite firmly and then someone else grabs it, does it
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not become a little bit of a kind of Christmas cracker type
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situation? How, Who kind of how and who
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would let go in that situation? Yeah, so if you're holding the
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ball and someone can get their hand on it and hold on to it for
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three seconds, then they'll get a penalty in their favor.
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Oh, I see. OK.
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If you can snatch it back off of them, then you can.
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Keep the ball you. Can carry on playing, but it's
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kind of that 3 second rule that's mainly there for safety
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because once you're focusing on the ball it horses can tend to
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forget the direction and you can turn on to each other and stuff
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like that and. So so you don't have the tug of
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war for 10 minutes. Yeah, I was going to say it
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because you could waste, not waste time, but certainly two
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players could be pulling at the ball for for like I say, quite a
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long time potentially, couldn't they?
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Yeah, in the rules, the the way it's written in the rules is
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inconclusive wrestling. Brilliant, brilliant.
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So, so in terms of your both of you know, personal involvement,
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how did you come across the sport?
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How did you first hear about it and what attracted you to it?
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So for me, I first started playing about over 20 years ago
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now. I was sort of getting to the age
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of 1415, slightly losing interest in horses.
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And my uncle said to me, I've started playing this new sport
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or well, he had been playing for a couple of years at that point.
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He had a spare horse and, and said, do you want to come and
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give it a go? And I started playing and being
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a boy that was into team sports and, and physical sports,
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competitive sports, it was, it was a real draw that kept me
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involved in riding. And I, and I think that's the
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same for a lot of the boys that carry on playing.
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And it's something that once you get involved in you, you sort of
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very rarely lose interest in because it's such a, a friendly
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atmosphere. There's it, it, it is a
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relatively small sport still. So there is still that family
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aspect to it. Almost like I play on a team
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with one of my sisters. My older sister used to play,
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I've mentioned my uncle used to play, my partner plays.
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So it's, it can be very close. Like, you know, you make really,
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really deep connections with people and you, you keep friends
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with people over the years and it's a really nice thing to stay
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involved in. Brilliant.
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Sounds superb. How about you, Charlotte?
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How do you how do you come across it?
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I started two and a half 3 1/2 years ago now and I've just
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finished my third season competing.
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I found hospital when I joined my university and I'd kind of
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heard of the sport, but I'd never played it before and saw
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that my university offered it and thought I'd give it a go and
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pretty much haven't put the ball down since then and.
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For the reins. Yeah, for the reins and I
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started, I did a couple of sessions in my first year,
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didn't really get anywhere with it because I ended up injuring
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myself. And then when I came back for my
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next year of university, I captained the team and really
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kind of put my time into the club to build it into where we
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are now. And I've just handed it over to
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the next person. But I'm still involved.
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I've still managed to kind of keep my involvement, one, at
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university, but two, taking it out of university and playing in
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the more national competitions and things.
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Brilliant. So you're leaving behind a bit
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of a legacy at the UNIQ from from evolving the sport at the
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at the establishment. That's the hope, yeah.
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Yeah, fantastic. The sport itself, I think
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there's trace of it going back to the 1930s, am I correct?
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And became more formalised in the 70s.
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So sort of the origins of the sport are a bit mixed.
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So in, in it's current form, it's, it was, yeah, invented
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sort of in the 70s by, by the French.
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I think they were looking at a way to sort of encourage
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different ways of riding and, and, and improve people's riding
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and in a, in a fun way essentially, and bring sort of
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rugby to, to horse riding. But the, the inspirations for
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the sport have come from a few different places.
23:38
So in Argentina, there's a national sport called Pato,
23:41
which is very, very similar. Traditionally was played with a,
23:45
with a duck, which is pateau in Spanish.
23:47
OK. And then in sort of the Asian,
23:51
Asian area, I think mainly in sort of Afghanistan, there's a
23:54
sport called Bush Ghazi, which was played with a goat carcass.
23:58
So wow, we've we've sort of evolved from that and, and now
24:02
we use the ball, but that's sort of where it draw.
24:04
It's drew, it's inspiration from in Argentina, they still play
24:08
Pato. It's it's sort of one of their
24:09
national sports alongside polo. Still with a duck or they no.
24:13
No, so they use the ball now as well.
24:14
It's it's a slightly different harness on the ball.
24:17
The pitch is on a grass pitch, right?
24:19
We play on a sand arena. But it's something having, we
24:23
were in Argentina in March for the World Cup and it's it's a
24:29
real good link for bringing South America into the sport of
24:32
horse ball because Argentina play Pato.
24:35
So the horses are already pretty much used to the same sort of
24:38
sort of sport really. Yeah, Brilliant.
24:40
Fascinating, right? Thank you for for, for giving us
24:43
that information so far. But let's take a short break and
24:46
we'll come back and talk some more horse ball in a minute.
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So back to this evening's guests, Charlotte Sabattier and
28:31
Jamie Gibson from the sport of horse sport.
28:33
We've just been hearing from them about the sport itself, the
28:36
rules and how it works and they're both their personal
28:39
journeys in the sport and what attracted them to get involved.
28:42
So in terms of the the sort of competition structure itself,
28:47
Charlotte, you mentioned that you just started playing
28:49
nationally. So what's the sort of national
28:51
horse ball, horse ball scene like in in the UK?
28:55
It's quite varied. We have three main competitions
29:00
each year, which kind of form the National League and then
29:04
certain categories. If you win that you can qualify
29:07
for international events and play teams from other countries
29:10
to play their top teams. And then we also have events on
29:14
the smaller scale across the country and that clubs run
29:18
themselves and they host to bring it to new areas.
29:23
And then on my side I run the University League, which happens
29:28
at the beginning of each year. We, I started it this year and
29:31
planning to keep it going as university horse school grows
29:35
and that is more for university level horse school and to bring
29:39
in more college students as well.
29:42
And so there's lots of levels to get involved in and it's quite
29:45
easy to progress up and get involved with as much as you
29:48
want. Brilliant.
29:49
And is it A seasonal sport Can be played at any time in the
29:52
year, within reason obviously. The competitions are seasonal
29:57
and the main season runs from May to October, but there are
30:03
events, friendlies that you can have during the winter because
30:08
obviously we play on a sand surface.
30:11
If you have access to a sand arena, especially in the winter,
30:13
it's a lot nicer than being on grass.
30:16
You can play anywhere. Yeah, fantastic.
30:18
And so you mentioned the competition structure.
30:20
How does that kind of work? Is that sort of league format or
30:22
do the teams play on a knockout basis?
30:24
How does that sort of structure? So yeah, through the through the
30:28
season, generally they'll be sort of leagues with different
30:31
categories. So you'll have a ladies
30:33
category, some underage categories like under sixteens,
30:36
under 20 ones, and then sort of like a men's or mixed category
30:40
and then some novice style categories as well.
30:43
And then when we do sort of more regional competitions, there'll
30:48
be just over one weekend. So they'll generally be a like a
30:51
knockout format. You'll play a semi finals on the
30:53
Saturday and then a finals on the Sunday.
30:55
Yeah, and how many? And obviously you guys represent
30:58
Melton Horse Ball Club. How many clubs are established
31:01
in the UK? Are there many?
31:03
So the minute that we've got sort of around, probably around
31:06
about 6 main clubs that play, one of the big things we're
31:10
trying to do at the minute is push and create, like Charlotte
31:13
said in in new clubs in different areas.
31:16
So we're really putting a lot of work into spreading the sport
31:19
more nationally, creating a few. We've got a few new clubs that
31:22
are forming, but they're just sort of like at the sort of the
31:25
budding stage. And then hopefully they all lead
31:28
to something so people can either play in their local area
31:32
and it can be more accessible for people.
31:34
Or for those that are really committed, they can go and take
31:37
their team to national events and create a better a better
31:41
competition format. Because it's always nice to have
31:44
more people to play against and more clubs to play against.
31:46
OK. And I guess the question is
31:47
probably be on many listeners lips right now is what where's
31:50
the closest club to to Peterborough in this region?
31:52
Is there one developing the future or or from an existing
31:55
perspective, where's the closest they can?
31:56
So currently ourselves in Malta, Mobi are probably the closest
32:02
club. There's a club in North North
32:05
London, in Barnet sort of. If you went the other way down
32:08
the country, it's it's not too far away.
32:11
You speak, there's quite a lot of players in and around
32:14
Bedfordshire and then a few players that do live in and
32:18
around Cambridgeshire. So we are in the process of
32:20
trying to get them to create some form of club sort of near
32:26
this area. So hopefully it's going to be an
32:28
area that we're developing sort of over the next 1224 months.
32:32
I said we're trying to do that all over the country, but it's
32:35
it's a place that we're quite lucky.
32:36
We've got a few prominent, prominent people, prominent
32:39
players in this area already, so it's just trying to give them
32:42
the nudge and support so that they can set their own clubs up
32:45
and and sort of create a sustainable model so it's more
32:49
accessible in the area. And what does it take to set up
32:51
a club then? Because if there's listeners out
32:53
there thinking, hold on, I'd like to get involved in that.
32:55
Obviously there's going to be a level of governance, a level of
32:58
having facilities and an organization to do that.
33:02
So what, what? What would one need to to set up
33:05
a club? So from the, from the like sort
33:09
of national governing body sort of viewpoint, we offer as much
33:13
support as we can to people setting up new clubs in terms of
33:19
helping them with their coaches, getting the right
33:22
qualifications, the right, the right skills associated with
33:26
setting up a club or coaching. And then it's mainly about
33:30
finding a person and a venue to sort of the two key things you
33:33
need someone that's really got a, a bit of a love for it and,
33:37
and an appetite for wanting to develop a club and then also
33:40
finding the facilities. So in general, you'll need a, a
33:44
riding school or a riding venue that have got a school or arena
33:48
that you can use. And then either opening it up
33:52
for people to bring their own horses and, and have a go with
33:55
their horses, trying to get their horses and, and things
33:58
into the sport. Or sometimes we try and partner
34:02
with venues that have got horses already.
34:03
So maybe like a Polo Club or a, or a riding centre.
34:07
And if you can get those horses into it, you can then open up
34:11
and make it even more accessible for people that don't have their
34:13
own horses. Yeah, brilliant.
34:15
That sounds good. So anyone listening, if you
34:17
fancy doing that, then do reach out to the British Horse Pool
34:19
Association and stake your claim for that.
34:23
Cos you know, setting up a club in this area would be, would be
34:25
beneficial to all. So Charlotte, you're, you're a
34:28
coach as well as a player. And, and the reason we made that
34:32
initial contact with you is because you the word
34:34
Peterborough was next to your name on the British Horse Pool
34:36
Association website as, as, as a coach in this region.
34:39
So does that suggest that you work in this area already with
34:42
with individuals as as Jamie mentioned that there are players
34:45
and and representatives in this area that do already play the
34:48
sport? Yeah, definitely.
34:50
I've hosted a few have a go sessions here over the past
34:53
couple of years and it's within a drivable distance for me, so
34:57
I'm always willing to drive here and host anything that anyone
35:01
wants to get into Horsepool with.
35:04
I think I've done mostly Pony Club camps, bringing it to more
35:10
of the under 16 area rather than like a Polo Club like Jamie
35:16
said. And then up north, which is
35:19
where I am towards Melton, I do a lot more with the adults as
35:26
more of an assistant coach for the university and up there we
35:30
do work with polo clubs to bring it to people that don't have
35:34
their own horses, which is what we're trying to bring.
35:36
We'll sit down here. Yeah, brilliant.
35:37
We'll watch this space on that. So in terms of anyone who wants
35:43
to get involved in the sport, then what do they need
35:46
essentially? Because you know, if you're
35:48
taking up, let's say football, for example, you'd need a pair
35:51
of football boots, shorts, T-shirt, shin pads, that type of
35:55
thing. And you're ready to go type
35:56
thing in horse ball. Obviously you've got a horse
35:58
involved, but is that essential to have a horse?
36:02
Obviously you're going to need to have riding skills to a
36:04
degree, I guess before you get involved in sports.
36:05
So yeah, paints a bit of a picture about what someone needs
36:09
to have aptitude and attitude wise and and skills wise before
36:12
they they get started. Yeah.
36:13
So to to start playing horse ball, it's obviously like you
36:17
mentioned, you probably need a horse to start with or access
36:20
access to one. But in terms of the actual
36:23
riding that's involved people in general, most of the players
36:29
started off doing different things either say gym carner
36:34
games and mounted mounted games, show jump in eventing dressage,
36:39
the standard, the standard things.
36:42
But then to switch and to do horse ball, it's because it was
36:45
invented as a sport to try and promote and encourage people's
36:50
riding ability. It's it's pretty natural
36:52
progression. The only strange thing to people
36:55
is the the leaning off of the horse.
36:57
Usually if you're hanging off the side of your horse, it's
36:59
because something's gone very wrong.
37:02
But in horse ball, it's a it's a key part of the sport.
37:05
If the ball's on the floor, you've got to pick it up
37:07
somehow. So you just have to lean off
37:09
and, and grab it. And it's something that kids
37:11
especially, they take to it pretty quickly.
37:15
They're usually a bit more fearless and they they don't
37:18
mind throwing themselves down. You sometimes have to control
37:21
them and stop them doing it when they're not meant to.
37:24
But yeah, so in terms of like the horses and the types of
37:27
horses, there's not really any, there's no limit or no set breed
37:32
of horse that has to do it. Any horse of any size can do it.
37:37
I would say through experience, maybe 9 out of 10 horses will do
37:43
it to some extent. You'll always get one that maybe
37:45
doesn't like to be in part of a pack or doesn't like the the
37:48
rider hanging off. So it's there will be the odd
37:51
horse that doesn't want to do it, but to do different levels.
37:56
There's, there's, there's no barriers there really.
38:01
It's horse sports is it's a sport that should be there to be
38:06
used to encourage people to stay riding and it's what we try to
38:10
promote to people is to say, look, if you want especially
38:13
boys to stay involved in in sports, riding sports, they need
38:17
to have something that is of interest to them.
38:19
Some people won't be interested in show jumping, eventing,
38:23
dressage. They sort of want that team
38:26
sport aspect, so it's a it's a really real good tool for riding
38:30
centres to use to keep their participation numbers up.
38:35
Brilliant. Sounds really good, right?
38:36
We're going to explore a bit more about that in a little
38:38
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38:41
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42:12
Welcome back to the PCR Sports Show this evening, and if you've
42:16
missed the show so far, you've missed a fascinating show.
42:18
We can talk about horse ball. This is a brand new sport to
42:20
this show and it's been enlightening for us to find out
42:23
about it from Charlotte and from Jamie.
42:25
But you can't listen back to it if you've missed any of it on
42:27
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42:32
So yeah, if you have missed the show, you've missed a cracker so
42:34
far, so do tune back in. Just talking before the show
42:39
there about more around the structure of the competitions
42:43
and how that works. So Jamie, you've represented the
42:46
the country at horse sport and that's a, that's a great honour.
42:49
So congratulations on that. How does that feel to be an
42:52
international player in in a in a sport?
42:54
Yeah, no, it's great. It's it's great to find
42:56
something that you enjoy doing and be able to do that.
42:59
So I've had the the good fortune of playing all over the world.
43:04
So in March, as I mentioned, I was in Argentina at the at the
43:07
latest World Cup. I've played in friendly
43:10
competitions in Mexico and Australia and then sort of all
43:15
around Europe really because it's, it's very European centric
43:19
sport at the minute. I, I did get a lot of a lot of
43:23
grief off some friends at times saying you only you, you only
43:27
get to do that because there's not many players.
43:29
But if it's something that you love doing, you don't mind.
43:33
And if you enjoy it, then it's something definitely you don't
43:35
mind being one of a few. But it's still, it's still a
43:38
funnel to get to that international level, isn't it
43:40
doesn't matter how many participants there are, you
43:42
still have to be good at whatever it is to get to the
43:45
international level. Yeah, you've got to have a
43:47
certain set of skills. You've got you, you, you've got
43:50
to have some ability. And it's also something you
43:52
dedicate, dedicate a lot of your time to.
43:54
It's it's something that, yeah, you do have to maybe miss some
43:58
like different events if you get invited to something.
44:01
I can't because I've I've got a hospital competition that
44:04
weekend or away in France or, or whatever it may be.
44:08
So, yeah, it's a lot of dedication, especially once you
44:12
regularly do it. Like I say, I've been very
44:13
fortunate to play all over the place over the last 20 years.
44:16
So it's, it's something that I would always encourage people to
44:20
try and get develop as much as they can.
44:23
And I, I speak to Charlotte about this and say like, just
44:26
try and get, try and keep developing.
44:28
And and then you get to that point where you're you're lucky
44:30
enough to get those opportunities really.
44:32
Absolutely. And then representing the
44:34
country, does that mean you're representing England, Great
44:36
Britain, United Kingdom? How does, what's the what's the
44:39
representative of this country if you know?
44:41
What I mean, Great Britain and the, the, my Welsh teammate
44:45
would be very keen to, to push that towards me.
44:50
He he he likes to correct people if they say it's the English
44:52
horse ball team. Absolutely, absolutely.
44:54
And and in terms of internationally then which other
44:58
countries participate, which ones are the kind of force,
45:01
force of the sports? So there's sort of there's about
45:04
8 nations in Europe that regularly play and then
45:09
worldwide there's another 12 that range from Canada, Mexico,
45:14
Argentina and a few other South American countries across to
45:18
Australia, Japan, Kyrgyzstan and, and, and a few other Asian
45:22
countries and France and France. So, yeah, in, in terms of
45:27
European countries who, who top the sport, it's, it's generally
45:30
France and Spain. The French having invented the
45:33
sport sort of had a bit of an advantage.
45:35
But the Spanish over the past few years have have really
45:39
pushed to the top and sort of regularly beat the, the French
45:43
team at Times Now. And that's across all the
45:45
categories. The like I said earlier, the age
45:47
group under sixteens, under 20 ones, the ladies and the, the
45:51
men's teams are, are pretty much dominated by those two
45:54
countries. The best, the best we've ever
45:56
done in the men's team is we came third in 2017 and then the
46:02
ladies have, they've had bronze and silver medals and have done
46:06
a little bit better than the guys at times.
46:09
But it's something we're always trying to get better AT and the
46:12
more participants we have in this country obviously increases
46:15
the pool of players and, and in general you'll get maybe better
46:19
players to pick from. That's still, you know, I'd say
46:22
if you if you're saying that France and Spain are kind of
46:24
dominant forces and to to kind of get bronzes and silvers and
46:28
be third behind those two is, is not a bad place to be older at
46:32
this point in time. Yeah, so at the World Cup in
46:34
March, we were 5th if my memory is not failing.
46:39
So yeah, we we're trying to push to be sort of the best of the
46:43
rest at the minute. And then as the sports, as the
46:46
sport develops, hopefully more in this country and myself being
46:49
the the current chairman of the British Horse Ball Association,
46:52
it's something that I'm really trying to push and trying to
46:55
build the sport and give it a, a bit of a long lasting legacy so
46:59
that it's there and it's sustainable.
47:00
And and it hopefully then can put foundation into place so
47:04
that in future the the representatives, whoever they
47:07
may be from this country can go and have the best chance to
47:11
compete maybe for first and second one day.
47:13
And. And so the ambition for the
47:15
long, longer term view of the sport, does it want to be like
47:18
an Olympic sport for example, as a maybe a next step or happy to
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stay independent? I think it would, it would be
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amazing to one day reach that. How likely that is, it's
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probably pretty slim at the minute.
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The next step for the International Federation is sort
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of to be recognised and more included in, in the FEI, which
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is sort of like the overall equestrian body internationally,
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which they, they sort of have agreements.
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And we, we compete internationally at FEI events.
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But to be regular attendance and and be represented by the FBI
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and and be involved more with the other equestrian disciplines
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at at the higher level would be sort of like the the next aim
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really internationally. Fantastic, brilliant.
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Bring it back to domestic level. Charlotte, you're a coach.
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If someone's interested in joining and we talked about it
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briefly earlier, what's the kind of contact, what's the method of
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of kind of getting in touch and and getting involved in the
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sport? If you don't know anyone who's
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already involved and you're completely new, the best place
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to go is to either the Horsepool website, which is the British
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Horsepool Association, or we have an Instagram Horsepool UK
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as well and they can put you in touch with either a coach who's
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in your area or whoever the closest coach is and they can
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organise around that. Fantastic.
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And what can somebody kind of initially expect when they want
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to sort of enter the sport, what kind of coaching, training,
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what's their kind of first sort of experience when they when
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they became involved? So the first step to be involved
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would be to, if you have your own horse, introduce your horse
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to the ball and go through the basics of technique.
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And then from there, it's really just about repetition, getting
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used to doing different types of drills and tactics to improve
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yourself and your riding and your horse in the sport.
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Excellent. And as a coach, do you coach the
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rider or or the horse or both? How How does?
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What's the role of the coach? It really depends on like the
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reactions that the horse has during the session because every
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time you ride a horse they might be a little bit different.
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For me personally, I do a lot of work with polo clubs, so polo
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horses are already quite adaptable to horse ball.
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They're well trained, they're used to other horses coming into
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contact with them. So a lot of my focus is on rider
49:40
technique and controlling the horse and letting go of the
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reins, which is a big part of it, which is normally the
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hardest part to do is to ride a horse without holding the reins.
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I start letting go of a bike handlebars and when you're
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riding a bike effectively. Yeah, it's, it's something like
49:57
you mentioned, you have to coach both the players and the horses.
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And depending on your ability as a coach, whether you've got a
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history of being a riding instructor, you can generally
50:05
help people with the horse and how to how to improve the
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horses, sort of like ability. But a lot of the horse ball
50:13
coaches aren't riding instructors, so they're more
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there to help an existing person who can already ride adapt into
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into the sport of horse ball. But we've got coaches that are
50:26
qualified in riding instructors as qualified riding instructors
50:30
as well. And when we try to train new
50:32
coaches, we try and push it out to people that are already
50:35
qualified as riding instructors and sort of add another string
50:38
to their bow that they can then use to improve their
50:41
pre-existing riders. Or if new people want to come in
50:43
and and say, oh, I want to try something new, then we're we're
50:47
there for something different for them.
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Brilliant, fantastic. Sadly time has caught us up.
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It's been a fascinating time chatting with you both and thank
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you to you both for for educating us on the on the sport
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of horse sport. Like I said, we've been
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intrigued for many months and you've certainly put a better
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light on it for us. So which has been brilliant.
51:04
So wishing you both continued success both domestically and
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internationally and and obviously the growth of the
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sport itself. So do keep in touch.
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We'd love to hear from you again and maybe get you back on the
51:13
show in, in, in, in, in in future to tell us how it's going
51:17
and maybe a launch of a club in history in this region as well.
51:19
Yeah, no, definitely. Thanks.
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Thanks very much for having us on.
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It's been, it's been nice to have a quick chat about it.
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As we mentioned Charlotte mentioned earlier, if anyone's
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interested in participating or getting involved as a volunteer
51:31
or a sponsor, maybe then British horseball.co.uk or Horse Ball UK
51:36
on most of the socials. Or if you want to watch it, go
51:38
onto YouTube, watch some videos. It's a really exciting sport for
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people to watch. Yeah, we did on our research.
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So yes, it's been, it's been good to watch it.
51:45
So that's thank you very much again guys.
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And Nilesh, thank you very much indeed.
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Cheers dipam. Thank you very much.
51:49
Good luck to the Posh tomorrow in the FA Cup.
51:51
Yeah, fingers crossed. Let's hope not just Posh but
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Peter Sports can pick up a vital win.
51:56
Peter Phantom's getting back to winning ways hopefully as well.
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Yeah, let's hope it's another successful sporting weekend for
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our clubs. Fingers crossed and we'll be
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back same time, same place next week.
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So thanks for tuning in and do TuneIn again. 6:00 PM next week
52:08
and Peterborough Roller Hockey Club will be in the studio with
52:12
us. So have a great week.
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Other than that, have a great weekend, enjoy your sport and
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take care. Bye for now.