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8/17/26: Flock Faces Public Backlash, New AG Pledges Trump Loyalty, Local News Freaks Over Anti-Genocide Candidate · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 1: dot Com. Turning down to flock, which again I think
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  Speaker 1: is just like data centers sweeping the nation in terms
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  Speaker 1: of an actual populist movement rising up against flock cameras
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  Speaker 1: mostly put in people's neighborhoods with very little scrutiny and
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  Speaker 1: or public input. We are now seeing that manifest through
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  Speaker 1: the democratic process here. We recently had an extraordinary confrontation
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  Speaker 1: between a Sullivan County, Tennessee commissioner, Joe Carr, who recently
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  Speaker 1: said that the flock see should be hung for treason,
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  Speaker 1: to a representative during a meeting. Let's take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to the local news segment that covered this.
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  Speaker 3: A hostile turn of events. At an East Tennessee Commission meeting,
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  Speaker 3: a Sullivan County commissioner told a Flock camera representative his
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  Speaker 3: boss needs to be publicly executed.
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  Speaker 4: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 5: I believe that Flock right now is one of the
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  Speaker 5: most hated companies in America. They are one of the
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  Speaker 5: most corrupt companies in America, and quite frankly, sir, I
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  Speaker 5: don't think we could make America great again without hanging
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  Speaker 5: your CEO publicly for treason.
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  Speaker 3: The man who is speaking there is Commissioner Joe Carr.
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  Speaker 3: Sullivan County is in the middle of deciding if the
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  Speaker 3: county will extend their contract with the license plate reading technology.
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  Speaker 3: The cameras are highly controversial. Many local governments in East
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  Speaker 3: Tennessee are reviewing that technology and how it handles people's privacy.
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  Speaker 3: Right after the commissioner made the comments, he was cut off,
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  Speaker 3: and then the workshop went on. The commission will vote
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  Speaker 3: next week on that contract extension. The final comment the
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  Speaker 3: Flock representative made to that commission.
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  Speaker 6: And lastly, I hope that nobody here ever resorts to
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  Speaker 6: the idea of the violence together up its stare.
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  Speaker 3: We did reach out to Commissioner card tonight and he
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  Speaker 3: did give us a statement, but it didn't address this comment. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: he says, Flock fears accountability, and that's why the company
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  Speaker 3: sent a public relations representative to the meeting.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, very little shock in the room whenever
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  Speaker 1: he said that. Second, it seems like he's look, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: we don't condone violence or hanging or whatever for treason
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  Speaker 1: public CEOs. Luigi just pled guilty. But so I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: you know to see accountability right for that, However, you
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  Speaker 1: have to see in context of all the stories that
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  Speaker 1: we've done, very much like when we covered the general
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  Speaker 1: backlash to healthcare, like in the aftermath of the Luigi
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  Speaker 1: Mangioni murder. Was this is fascinating to me, this rise
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  Speaker 1: up and bubbling from the low local to the national
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  Speaker 1: of the pushback against block and actually, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: it is shaping out to be the way that it
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  Speaker 1: should have been in the beginning, which is holding not
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  Speaker 1: just the company but the commissioners and all these other
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  Speaker 1: people accountable to make them at least address public concerns.
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  Speaker 1: When you enable this mass surveillance across the US, as
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  Speaker 1: we have seen now with FLOCK announcing some pretty dramatic
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  Speaker 1: safety changes to the way that they to the way
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  Speaker 1: that they administer the search function for law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: I know you want to say something, well, I just
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  Speaker 2: want to say point out the bipartisan nature of the
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  Speaker 2: concern here. I don't know this commissioner's politics specifically, However,
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  Speaker 2: the county he represents is rural, it is very conservative,
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  Speaker 2: so it would be likely that he shares some of
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  Speaker 2: those conservative values. You hear him framing his critique in
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  Speaker 2: terms of make America great again and him saying it's
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  Speaker 2: not possible, and so your CEO is literally hung for treason.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, this is a Rural areas are very upset
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  Speaker 2: because of this like sort of don't tread.
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  Speaker 4: On me attitude.
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  Speaker 2: Urban areas very upset, blue red, everybody where in between.
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  Speaker 2: And it's really hasn't bubbled up to elite political discourse
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  Speaker 2: in a way where candidates are driving onto this very
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  Speaker 2: little conversation of Flock cameras. I think Francesca Hung is
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  Speaker 2: like the only one I've heard bring it up really
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  Speaker 2: at all in terms of public discourse. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: deep concern. It's an issue for the taking. And to
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  Speaker 2: your point, Flock is starting to realize they've got a
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  Speaker 2: public relations problem because, on the one hand, if you
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  Speaker 2: look at the numbers of the way these cameras have proliferated,
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  Speaker 2: it really is crazy because just a few years ago
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  Speaker 2: this wasn't a thing, and now it's like a virus
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  Speaker 2: that it's just expanded. It's like COVID, like exponential growth.
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  Speaker 2: And so you do see some localities that are saying,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this really isn't worth it. My constituents are upset,
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  Speaker 2: and we're getting all these false positives that are you know,
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  Speaker 2: spoiling police resources where we're having to go after people
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  Speaker 2: and it's the wrong person is creating other public safety issues.
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  Speaker 2: You do see some localities pulling back, but not nearly
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  Speaker 2: at the pace of the amount that they have expanded
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  Speaker 2: and continued to expand. Flock, however, I think Sager with
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  Speaker 2: this latest announcement, it demonstrates that it's a question whether
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  Speaker 2: these changes will really amount to much, but it demonstrates
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  Speaker 2: at the very least feeling a lot of public pressure.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, So let's actually talk about some of that.
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  Speaker 1: Here's Flock CEO announcing a major policy change after The
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  Speaker 1: Washington Post revealed that many law enforcement people were using
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  Speaker 1: it to stock some of their own personal associates, including
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  Speaker 1: ex girlfriends, ex wives, domestic disturbances. Here's what he had
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  Speaker 1: to say.
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  Speaker 7: We were taking one more step in addition to audit assistance.
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  Speaker 7: In July of twenty twenty five, we introduced an optional
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  Speaker 7: case code requirement for searches, meaning every search must be
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  Speaker 7: associated with an actual criminal investigation. Early results from participating
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  Speaker 7: agencies have been promising, so we will require case codes
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  Speaker 7: for all law enforcements or is by the end of
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  Speaker 7: the year. But because emergency situations do exist and do
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  Speaker 7: require media action, there will be a process to bypass
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  Speaker 7: this requirement. Every one of those searches will be flagged
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  Speaker 7: immediately by audit assistants for an administrator's review.
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  Speaker 1: Administrative review Now, as the community note actually says on
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  Speaker 1: their post, Flock added audit assistance, but they are not
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  Speaker 1: mandatory and or in place. Flock systems are routinely abused.
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  Speaker 1: Police are often using flock to stock their own love interests,
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  Speaker 1: and Flock shares data without permission, in violation of several
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  Speaker 1: state laws. So you can go and fact check some
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 8: You.
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  Speaker 1: Also, let's put D three up here just to show
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  Speaker 1: you that they are really trying to create this idea
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  Speaker 1: that they are responding to concerns. We led the industry
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  Speaker 1: with thirty day deletion standard. Now we're going further seven days.
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  Speaker 1: That's enough time to support an investigation if needed for
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  Speaker 1: an investigation. We're introducing evidence mode to support evidence preservation.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise that data is deleted. However, as we say in
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  Speaker 1: the community note, according to Flock's own blog posts, existing
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  Speaker 1: customers will keep their current democratically approved retention periods. Customers
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  Speaker 1: who adopt the seven day recommendation will receive evidence Mode
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  Speaker 1: at no costs. Existing contracts override the new contracts. If
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  Speaker 1: your contract is in place for forever retention thirty day retention,
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  Speaker 1: that that is going to remain in place for the
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  Speaker 1: foreseeable feel this.
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  Speaker 4: Is also just the default.
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  Speaker 2: Any locality can do whatever they want, but now instead
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  Speaker 2: defaulting to thirty days, it defaults to seven days. So
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I want to say, I think people
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  Speaker 2: should really be hardened by the fact that these changes
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  Speaker 2: are being made. I think that some of them may
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  Speaker 2: result in a decrease in some of the abuse. The
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  Speaker 2: case number thing, for example, is something that some advocates
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  Speaker 2: have been pushing for, But I also don't want to
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  Speaker 2: look at this with.
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  Speaker 4: Like rose colored glasses.
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  Speaker 2: This is more of a pr effort from FLOCK to
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  Speaker 2: assuage some of the public concerns versus a real foundational change,
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  Speaker 2: because the reality is, even with all of those these changes,
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  Speaker 2: what are people really upset about with flock cameras. It's
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  Speaker 2: the idea that you, as a regular person not committing
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  Speaker 2: any crimes MNY your own business, are driving down the
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  Speaker 2: road or walk them by the street down the street
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  Speaker 2: and having the details of you and your license plate
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  Speaker 2: and all of these things recorded in track. That's what
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  Speaker 2: people are upset about. It's not that it's kept for
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  Speaker 2: seven days or thirty days. I mean, it certainly is
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  Speaker 2: the possibility of abuse, which has been shown to be
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  Speaker 2: a major problem with this, but it's just the normalization
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  Speaker 2: of day to day mass surveillance, whether you quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: deserve it or not. And so none of these changes
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  Speaker 2: really get to the root of the problem because they
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  Speaker 2: can't because the root of the problems cameras themselves, and
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  Speaker 2: obviously FLOCK is not going to you know, willingly go
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  Speaker 2: away and put themselves out of business. The ACLU wrote up,
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  Speaker 2: I thought a good, very reasonable post about all of
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  Speaker 2: those who can put D five aubo on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: They go through through some of the problems, some of
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  Speaker 2: the loopholes that are there in a lot of these changes.
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  Speaker 2: Despite new updates, flocks, creepy cameras remain majors of a
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  Speaker 2: liberties threat. So, for example, as we were just discussing,
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  Speaker 2: the default deletion is now seven days, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean that's required. There are ways to get around the
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  Speaker 2: case number requirement.
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  Speaker 4: As he even indicated in that video.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of this continues to be how these processes
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  Speaker 2: work continue to be very opaque, and the devil, as
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  Speaker 2: we know, can be in the details. So is this
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  Speaker 2: more of sort of a rosier picture they are painting
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  Speaker 2: or their teeth to some of these changes that they're
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  Speaker 2: making because there is so little public transparency, it's very
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  Speaker 2: hard to say. Including they're also making automatic this audit feature,
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  Speaker 2: which has been successful in catching some of these blatant
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  Speaker 2: abuses of the system, including stalking that you know people
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  Speaker 2: are facing charges over you know, police officers in particularly
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  Speaker 2: facing charges over we don't know though what fraction of
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  Speaker 2: the abuses we're caught?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Are they catching most of the cases? There's some fifty
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  Speaker 2: plus cases of abuse that we know about, or is
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  Speaker 2: that just the tip of the iceberg? We really have
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  Speaker 2: no idea because there's so little transparency.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is just a this is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it feels like to live in a very low trust country.
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  Speaker 1: So really what it is like. There are tons of countries.
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  Speaker 1: I think London might be the most mass surveiled city
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  Speaker 1: in the Western world. I forget in terms of the
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  Speaker 1: per capita cameras. I don't see a large pushback in London. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe it's because their population is more compliant. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's largely also that they're like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: like the Metropolitan Police, you know, I don't feel like
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  Speaker 1: we're being you know, I don't feel like I distrust them, like,
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  Speaker 1: let's say, in the same way whereas in the US
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  Speaker 1: right and left, I mean, do we really trust like
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  Speaker 1: the elites and the locals who are in charge to
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  Speaker 1: administer things on our behalf. I've given my example, like,
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  Speaker 1: I think it literally would lead to San Francisco in
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  Speaker 1: any blue jurisdiction. I think it will lead to literally
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  Speaker 1: like anarco tyranny where a guy whose speeds gets a
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  Speaker 1: ticket while there are crackheads and fent heads literally smoking
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  Speaker 1: in a parking lot and the police don't do anything
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  Speaker 1: about it vice versa. During COVID, you know, can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine can you imagine what they would have done in
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  Speaker 1: a state of California to enforce lockdown when people were
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  Speaker 1: getting locked up going to the beach in San Diego,
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  Speaker 1: and I remember the grim Reaper that on the beach
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  Speaker 1: that was totally crazy, and then in the Trump administration's hand,
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  Speaker 1: or if you live in Alabama or someplace like that,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just imagine what some of these yocl elected
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  Speaker 1: sheriffs will be doing to do this, you know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you're so concerned about you know, weed or petty
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  Speaker 1: crime something like that, that's of course what they would
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  Speaker 1: be using it for. So you could see like the
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  Speaker 1: rife abuse. And that's what I just means, like we
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  Speaker 1: don't have local buy in to our elites. We don't
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  Speaker 1: actually trust them to administer things on our behalf, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that we should well.
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  Speaker 2: And I also think the fact that these things proliferated
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  Speaker 2: without anyone knowing what was going on is a big
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  Speaker 2: part of the problem too, because it's not like there
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  Speaker 2: was any democratic buy in here. There was no sense
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  Speaker 2: of like, Okay, we're as a community, we're deciding is
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  Speaker 2: this what we want some of our budget to go to,
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  Speaker 2: and here's the pluses and here's the MIAs is No,
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  Speaker 2: this just happened, and now we're all trying to grapple
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  Speaker 2: with what it is and what it means, and how
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  Speaker 2: we can protect ourselves and whether or not we've been
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  Speaker 2: flocked and where the cameras are in our community.
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  Speaker 4: But to your point about the you know, the.
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  Speaker 2: Potential for abuse, you had a police chief in Wisconsin
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  Speaker 2: who was so upset about about protesters and about the
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  Speaker 2: objections to flock cameras. He was not out like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, I'm maybe I should do background checks on
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  Speaker 2: some of these protesters who are getting in my way.
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  Speaker 4: Let's take a little bit of that.
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  Speaker 6: I decided to get one to help my community, to
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  Speaker 6: help catch the bad guys, and I'm getting ridiculed for it.
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  Speaker 6: You guys want to call and cancel it, go right ahead.
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  Speaker 6: I have no problem. But the next time grandma's missing,
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  Speaker 6: or your car got stolen, or you're missing min and
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  Speaker 6: I can't. I can't help you. Sorry, I'm just I'm
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  Speaker 6: just trying to be the guy. I'm trying to do.
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  Speaker 6: I have given twenty years to this city, my blood,
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  Speaker 6: sweat and tears, missing family events, holidays. I've worked nights,
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  Speaker 6: weekends and everything, and this is what I get for helping.
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  Speaker 6: I am not a rule breaker. I'm a law enforcement officer.
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  Speaker 6: I take that oath very fricking seriously. And to get
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  Speaker 6: slammed like I did tonight, good luck. That's all I'm
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  Speaker 6: gonna say is good luck. How to do background checks
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  Speaker 6: on half the people to make comments?
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  Speaker 2: Can you hear that last part? I used to run
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  Speaker 2: background checks on half of these protesters?
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  Speaker 4: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I also love the He's like, next time
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  Speaker 2: you need help and I can't help you, like good luck?
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  Speaker 4: What were you doing before flaw cameras?
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  Speaker 2: Like, certainly you had some law enforcement techniques that you
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  Speaker 2: were deploying before we had mass surveillance on the streets
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  Speaker 2: of whatever this town is.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it has its uses and there's look you can't
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  Speaker 1: deny it has actual significantly cracked down on petty crime.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm as a person who is obsessed with petty
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  Speaker 1: crime and wants to stop it. I think that's good. However,
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  Speaker 1: the democratic process not being able to weigh in on
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  Speaker 1: it without any of the checks, outsourcing it all to
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  Speaker 1: a private company, not having having to pressure a private
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  Speaker 1: company to put in audit review, it gives you very
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: little recourse. How do you know what these people are doing?
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  Speaker 1: This is why when I'm like, I trust Singapore and
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  Speaker 1: try it, because there it's the government and look for
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  Speaker 1: all the authoritarian dictatorship and all that stuff. London, I think,
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  Speaker 1: is another example that's actually a police owned camera. It
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  Speaker 1: is not outsourced to some private company for how they're
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  Speaker 1: going to do it, and so they can vote the
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  Speaker 1: mayor in and out if they want. We don't have
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: that ability here. It's cancel contract except contract. It's all
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  Speaker 1: just pushed out to the private sector. That honestly makes
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: it worse in my opinion, because it really makes it.
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  Speaker 1: It loses your ability to have the requisite level of input.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the point too, where they're not proving
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  Speaker 1: the function. Has America gotten dramatically safer because of Flock?
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  Speaker 1: I looked at the evidence, Like I said, around petty crime,
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  Speaker 1: it depends on the locality. But then in some of
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  Speaker 1: the high profile cases Nancy Guthrie, if it's so great,
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  Speaker 1: where is she?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 1: The entire United States government flock can't find her? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like a problem, right, And so there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of different things too where
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  Speaker 1: they juke the stats. They talk about missing children, as
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  Speaker 1: you and I both know, like ninety nine percent of
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  Speaker 1: the missing children cases are like, you know, some father
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  Speaker 1: in a custody dispute or something. So yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they solve that. It's also been solvable via cell phone
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  Speaker 1: data metadata and all these other things. So you can't
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  Speaker 1: let them just throw some of these things in your face.
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  Speaker 1: They have to have to prove that it is dramatically
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  Speaker 1: more useful and has a lot of audit stuff built
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  Speaker 1: in and I don't see it.
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  Speaker 2: And that it's worth the trade offs, because of course,
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  Speaker 2: if you had perfect mass surveillance of the entire country,
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  Speaker 2: would you be able to thwart even work?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you would.
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  Speaker 2: Is that a trade off that people are willing to
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  Speaker 2: because you've got, of course, competing societal values here of
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  Speaker 2: freedom from surveillance and independence and then the you know,
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  Speaker 2: concerns over crime and democracy. Part of democracy is how
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  Speaker 2: do you balance these competing priorities. So to your point,
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  Speaker 2: when it's all run from a private company, we have
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  Speaker 2: to just take their word for it. You have no democratic,
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  Speaker 2: small de democratic accountability here. You can see the concerns
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  Speaker 2: bubbling up at the public level. Put D six up
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  Speaker 2: on the screen. Swig's been taking a close look at this.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you can look at a.
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  Speaker 1: Far ago this from all over the nation.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: St.
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  Speaker 2: Pete of Virginia communities, wherever Flugerville is, Texas, you can
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  Speaker 2: literally conservative rural, urban, blue suburban. Go to any local
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: news outlet and you will see them covering Flock because
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: they are hearing and feeling and understanding these concerns that
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: are coming from the grassroots. And it truly true, is
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: a cross partisan concern and their right to be worried.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: So I find it encouraging that Flock felt pressured enough
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to have to make these changes. Does that mean you
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: should trust them? Does that mean you should feel like
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: these changes go far enough? Of course they don't, and
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: of course they're going to try to massage the public
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: rollout of what these changes actually entail. But I think
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: it should be very hardening to protesters and local people
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: are just showing up at their county Commission meetings that
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it is being heard by people in power and they
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: are having to respond, and so that is a positive indication.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Agreed completely. Ill mean, let's get to Blanche.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: President Trump's former personal defense attorney, Todd Blanche has now
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: been confirmed as Attorney General of the United States after
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: some challenging confirmation hearings. He was out in his first
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: sort of big round of Sunday interviews, had some very
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: interesting things to say about the way he will approach
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: that position. Let's go ahead and take a listen to
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: what he has to say about his quote unquote independence.
• 17:58
  Speaker 10: You, of course used to be President Trump's former personal
• 18:02
  Speaker 10: defense attorney. Can you pledge that the Justice Department will
• 18:05
  Speaker 10: always act independently of the White House.
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: Well, there's a big difference between saying we will always
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: do our job and investigate any case and act independently
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: of the White House. No, I'm not going to pledge that,
• 18:18
  Speaker 9: and no Attorney general should ever pledge that the President.
• 18:21
  Speaker 9: I mean, if I were to pledge, I will be
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: independent of the White House. What that means is that
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: if President Trump says I want the Department of Justice
• 18:28
  Speaker 9: to go after every violent criminal in this country, which
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: is what he has said. What you're saying to me
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: is I just say, no, sir, I'm not going to
• 18:36
  Speaker 9: do it. So I will act with integrity. Our prosecutors
• 18:39
  Speaker 9: will act with integrity. We will prosecute without fear or
• 18:43
  Speaker 9: any sort of favor. And that's exactly what we've been doing,
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: and that's what every Department of Justice should do.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 18:49
  Speaker 10: I guess big picture of the president asks you to
• 18:51
  Speaker 10: do something that you feel cross as an ethical or
• 18:54
  Speaker 10: legal line, would you do it?
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: The President will never ask me to do something unethical
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: or legal or illegal. He never has, he never will.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: Should the president have a voice in individual prosecution decisions
• 19:05
  Speaker 10: at all?
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: Every American has a voice in prosecutions. I mean we
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: hear from Americans all the time. As a matter of fact,
• 19:11
  Speaker 9: many of our investigations start with an American citizen coming
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: forward and saying they saw something. And so whether President
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: Trump should have a quote voice, it depends would.
• 19:21
  Speaker 10: You take his opinions into consideration When he says I
• 19:24
  Speaker 10: think this case should be revived, will you take that
• 19:26
  Speaker 10: into consideration?
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: So hold on, Will I take the President of the
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: United States view on something into consideration.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: There you go, definitely not going out of his way
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to say, of course we're going to have independence, in
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: fact striking exactly the opposite tone, and you know it'd
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: be one thing like his answers on their face are
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: not completely unreasonable.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that. I was like, look, you
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: have to separate his answer.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: From what reality, because here's the thing to say, like
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: he's saying here basically like look, president Trump ran on
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the certain priority like of course I'm being brought in here,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: and so I'm going to pay attention to those priorities.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Not ridiculous.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: However, when he gets asked about what if President Trump
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: asked you to do something immoral or unethical? Oh, he would,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: he has he would never. Let's just remember. Put the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: next one up on the screen. This whole situation with
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: the previous Attorney General Pam Bondi, where Trump apparently accidentally
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: posted what he meant to be a DM publicly on
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: true Social where he directly called for the prosecution of
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: James Comey, Adam Shift and Letitia James based on we
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: can all say at this point really nothing like gind
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: up fake charges, all of which have fallen apart he
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: said to her, we can't delay any longer. It's killing
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: our reputation credibility. They impeach me twice and dieted me
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: five times over nothing. Justice must be served now. So
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: for Todd Blanche to come in here and play all innocent, like, oh, well,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I just I'm going to reflect the priorities of the president.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: And he's so moral and ethically would never ask me
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: to do something that was over the line. We know
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that's not true. That is preposterous, It's ridiculous. He spent
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: his whole time in the office in office prosecuting his opponents,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: most of the time failing to do so, as in
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: with this whole like reflecting pool vandalism case, and rewarding
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: those who backed him up, for example, pardoning the j
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: six rioters, including those who assaulted police officers. So we
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: can't come into this, you know, all, Pollyanna like, of
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: course the president will comport himself. Well, we know the
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: way that this man operates, right.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: So I would just say his answer, like you said,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: on its face, is not just fine but normal, Like yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Obama got to decide. It's like prosecutorial discretion, right when
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they're like, don't prosecute this type of people, or you
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: get to say, how immigration law, for example, you create
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: an entire fake category called DACA if you want to
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: or if you're the president, or not, if you want
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to put.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: It the other Although I will say that was very
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: controversial from the right at the time.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: What DACA.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Well, the use of prosecutorial discrict that time. And I'm
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: also old enough to remember when the whole remember the
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Loretta Lynch conversation with Bill Clinton was a major, major scandal.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: So there is definitely a very different standard that is
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: being applied now when it's Trump.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: For sure, right wing hypocrisy is a tale as old
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: as time. Ye sure, from fair enough would say it's
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: equivalent in some cases. However, we are where we are
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: today with Todd Blanche and yeah, I mean to your
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: point about Overton window. This is where this is where
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: with Blanche, when he says things like violent criminals, it's like, yeah,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: nobody's like, please don't prosecute Well maybe some people are,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: but most people are like, yeah, please prosecute violent criminals.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: But when they're like, please prosecute the sixty year old
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: olympian who gashed the reflecting pool, that's a little bit different,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of what the answer is
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: indicative of Trump's total like loyalty pledges from his assistance,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Like for example, with Jeanine Piro. I mean, Jeanine Piro
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: was doing doing everything Trump wanted like to do, and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I don't even mean necessarily in a bad way. Like
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: under DC, they are prosecuting a lot more violent felonies
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and changing the way that they're enforcing that in the
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in the district as opposed to it was before. I'm
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: cool with that. That's cool, we have less crime. But
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: then she's getting the what is you know, the break
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: quote unquote with Trump is that she had to drop
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the case against the Reflecting Pool you know whatever assassin
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: or whatever they're calling vigilante. And then she's getting a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: lit up. I mean, this morning, he's like, she needs
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to go back to law school. She you know, she
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: had no idea what she was doing. Same with Pam Bondy,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: like the whole James Comey eight six four. I mean,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: it's ludicrous. Everybody knows, it's total bullshit. And so that's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: what Blanche is speaking to. And that's generally the problem
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that we have right now, especially in the context of
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of these political pardons and prosecution agreements that
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: are in the future.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: To make it plain, it is one thing to say,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to reflect the priorities the president because he
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: was democratically elected and I share.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Those priories priorities.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: That's the way we're going to conduct, you know, ourselves
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: in the Justice Department. It is another thing to say,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going to prosecute the people that Trump wants me
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to prosecute. And while Todd Lynch did not say that
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: directly because that would be such a extraordinary and very
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: troubling admission, that is the reality of Trump's orientation towards
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: this office. It was under Pamboni. There's a reason Todd
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: blanche was picked. He sees this guy as his like
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: personal weapon to go after his enemies. That is the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: way Trump conducts himself. And I don't know that whatever
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Democrat takes office next will have the stones to do
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the same thing. But don't complain when you've got a
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you know, president AOC or President of dul Sayat or
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: whoever it is, saying, Okay, my attorney general is now
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: going to prosecute Stephen Miller and is now going to
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: prosecute Elon Musk and is now going to prosecute you know,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: whoever it else.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: You really don't think Democrats would do that. You really
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: think that after the mood of the country like it
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: is currently. I don't know.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: I mean I think I just see.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Well, okay, that will be proscuted because Trump will part
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: in them. Yeah, well that's true, So that's not really
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the question. Yeah, bigger question is, like.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I just my experience with Democrats, they tend not to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: have the balls to do these things, and may be
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a new era that is dawning in the party based
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: on some of these primary results and the new blood
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: that is coming in. So we will have to see
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: on that front. But let's go ahead and take a listen.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: This is also really important to pay attention to because
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Trump knows they're getting cooked in the midterms. He's already
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: done this whole redistricting thing. It has helped to mitigate
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the losses, but they are still very much on track
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: to lose the House and possibly the Senate as well.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: They have mounted this pressure campaign to force states to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: turn over their voter rules to the federal government, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: this has been you know, a major effort from the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Trump administration, and so Todd blanche here is asked about
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: this from Kristen Welker. She says, listen losing in court
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: because these states are saying, no, we're not turning over
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: our voter roles. We get to control them. You don't
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: get to tell us what to do. You've lost all
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: these cases. Why don't you just let it go? And
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: he indicates that he will continue to pursue this even
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: up to the Supreme Court.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Let's take a liston of the.
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: Issues that he really cares about.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: The midterms.
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: And there's been a lot of focus on the midterms
• 26:20
  Speaker 10: as it relates to the Justice Department, which has lost
• 26:22
  Speaker 10: twenty two cases trying to force states to turn over
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: their voter roles. State officials have pushed back against those moves.
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: They say states dictate how elections are run, not the
• 26:34
  Speaker 10: federal government. Is it time for the DOJ to drop
• 26:37
  Speaker 10: this fight? And will you do it?
• 26:39
  Speaker 11: Well?
• 26:39
  Speaker 9: Just I mean, we're relying on a statute, a statute
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: passed by Congress that allows us, in the right circumstances
• 26:46
  Speaker 9: to review and get those voter roles. And so yes, no, no,
• 26:49
  Speaker 9: we're not going to stop doing what I think every
• 26:52
  Speaker 9: American should expect us to do, which is make sure
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: that we have elections that are fair, and as that
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: relates to the Department of Justice, that means making sure
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: that there are no constitutional legal violations, even at the
• 27:03
  Speaker 9: state level. So, yes, the President Trump that this administration
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: knows and of course understands that states administer elections and
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: that will always be the case. But it doesn't mean
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: the federal government should play no role. And so the
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: tension there is, of course, whether we should be playing
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: the role that we're playing.
• 27:19
  Speaker 11: And that's really what we're litigating.
• 27:21
  Speaker 10: How far are you willing to take this fight because
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: you've been ruled against now twenty two times? Are you
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: going to take this all the way to the Supreme Court?
• 27:27
  Speaker 8: Do anticipate, We'll see, We'll see what happens. We're trying
• 27:31
  Speaker 8: to work work possibilities. Of course, yes, absolutely, it's a possibility.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Election integrity is something that President Trump ran on and
• 27:38
  Speaker 8: the American people elected him. Is something that every American
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: should care about.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: Election integrity.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's something President Trump is very deeply concerned about.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So in any case he reveals, you know, they might
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: quite possibly take this up to.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: The Supreme Court.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason why Blanche being
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: confirmed here is because there's no doubt he is just
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: a partisan operative on behalf, I'm super president. And you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions about what Trump might do
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: with regard to the midterms, assuming that the results don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: go in the direction he wants them to. And so
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: now he's got someone in place it was going to
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: go along with whatever he ultimately wants to do. And
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: obviously we have the track record of twenty twenty behind
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: is to know what some of those shenanigans might look like.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you look into his mind, one of
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: the things he hated most about Sessions is the Sessions
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: wouldn't quash the which, look, the Muller probe was bullshit,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: but you know, obviously what he was mad about was
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: that he wouldn't, you know, immediately quash the process. Even
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: those Sessions is the og Trump guy like he was
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: most responsible for him. I also just think it demonstrates
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: with Trump where like you may have a like we
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, it's a normal thing for an
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: attorney general to say we're going to enforce the priorities
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: of the president. If people had confidence let's put take
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty out of it, right, it's a long time
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Republican thing. You just had this big New Jersey story.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I'd forgotten the details. It's like sixty six hundred non
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: citizens had been registered to vote. Like, yeah, it's a
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: real problem. And to be clear, I am not I
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: am not a stop to steal millions of illegal voting people,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, that's an issue, especially in a lot
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of these blue states that issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: and if you're not going to have robust systems that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: are enforced by the FEDS, Like, it's a genuine concern.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, how many illegals or even non citizens are
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you allowing to vote? Like that's a problem. If that
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: was the framework of Trump, that would be like a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: ninety ten issue, but it's a twenty But even voter ID.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Every time you pull voter ID, it's like dramatically opulu.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It's like everyone knows. But and yeah, obviously that's always
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: a slide of hand to from the damas I think
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it's racist or whatever bullshit. But the point being with
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Trump is when you're going to bring in your twenty
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: twenty era dominion voting systems. It's not unreasonable to be like,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: what are you going to do when you gain access
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: to my voting rule? Which is why they fight so hard.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So this is where like, you know, his own insent,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: because if you were to talk to the supporters or
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: you know, people will get mad or whatever. They're like, oh, what,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you don't support viewing the voter. I'm like, well, yeah,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: if there were, it's like the flock thing. If there
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is a trust, you're going to do it correct or
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to not nefarious purposes. Yeah, right, And like that's what's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: concerning I think about all this.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Just to give a really quick example, so in Georgia,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: they did a lot of this like oh, we're going
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to go through our voter roles and we're going to
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: kick off people who are duplicate registered or they're you know,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: on a state, or they're undocumented, blah blah blah. And
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: they set up an ability for just random people to
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: challenge people's voter registration, which I think is insane.
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: By the way.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: And a lot of what they would do is let's
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: say you had two people named like one Carlos, and
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: one of them was let's say, you know, convicted felon
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: or one of them was an undocumented immigrant and the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: other one wasn't.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: They would kick them both off.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: So there was and you know, there are a lot
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: of names like that that are very common, totally literally,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and so that's.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: What would happen.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And then people would show up on election day having
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: no idea there was any problem, and they'd be turned away.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: And then you know, maybe you're voting on a provisional
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: ballot oftentimes thosezone I'm getting counted. You don't know what
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: your rights are, and that's it. You've lost your ability
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to vote. That's the sort of thing that happened. It
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: was very sloppy, and there were a lot thousands of
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: people that were kicked off the voter rolls unjustly. So
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: that is really that is the assumption, is that is
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: really the model that they want to do at the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: federal level. And so if they run that kind of
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: like AI based matching program, you could see them taking
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: California's voter roles and say, oh, there's one hundred thousand
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: people who are illegally registered blah blah blah. Then you
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: dig into that and that you see the actual problem
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: is the way that they're analyzing the data. Remember when
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: they did that whole thing about oh, social Security has
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: all these undocumentaries was total and complete bullshit. That my
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: assumption is that's the sort of thing that they want
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to be able to do with these voter rolls, which
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: may not even succeed in kicking people off the rolls,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: but then you can sew all this doubt about the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: results and oh, if only we'd had the correct people
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: registered in Michigan, then we would have been able to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: win this seat. And then you have this whole casting
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: doubt that enables whatever is going to come nice. I mean,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: it's the same thing that they did in twenty twenty.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So I think that is probably the playbook.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: That's my last thing on elections is, look, I think
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: we should have federal elections. We should have like massive
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: federal standards, and we should be able to report election
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: night winners literally day of Like I think every state
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: should be required to be set in a set of parameters.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: The problem is is that we don't have that, And
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: this is genuinely the pitfall of living in a federalist system,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Like each of our states has dramatic power and oversight
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: to the point where isn't it. Oregon and Washington are
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: only vote by mail, literally only vote by mail, whereas
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: some states you can only you know, depending on certain conditions.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's fucking crazy if you ask me.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, just a saying to the states, former federals or not.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Here's the hours are different, the early vote period is different.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: US citizen can vote in one state and not in another. Again,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I think this is nuts. Think that's why we need
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: federally administered elections. But this is a good example of why,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, we literally never will under a Democrat,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: No Texas governor will ever allow Obama or whatever to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: control their election, and then same under Trump.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: The plus of it, it does make it hard to
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: actually rig a national result, It's true. The fact that
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: it's all locally administered does make it I think more you.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Mean in terms of straight up rigging.
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, in terms of straight I was gonna.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Say, with electoral college actually weirdly gives certain number of
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: states like men of course.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the electoral college is a total nightmare, but yeah,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I mean it does. It does create some anti fragility
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: there in terms of just the ability to outright the results.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: But there are a lot of problems as well. It
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: does seem wild that the basic rules could be so
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: different states, correct.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I genuinely think that's crazy. The problem is nobody can
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: agree on what the basic rules are. Okay, got the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: candidates stopping by. Crystal's going to do this one solo,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: so let's get to it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: It will be election day in Florida tomorrow. We got
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a handful of very interesting primaries, in particular in the
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: battle for the soul of the Democratic Party, and two
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: candidates who are on the ballot tomorrow join us.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: We've got Elijah Manley, who is running in Florida's twentieth
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: congressional district, and Oliver Larkin, who is running in the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: twenty fifth.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome, gentlemen, thanks for having us. Yeah, of course.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So I've been tracking these races closely. Both of you
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: progressive candidates up against more establishment type figures, long time
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: establishment figures. Elijah, you're running against w. Wasserman Schultz, and
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Oliver is running against Jared Moskowitz. You guys had this
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: rally plan. Let's put f one up on the screen,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the Chomp the oligarchy rally. The two of you alongside
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Angie Nixon Rashida Tslieb was there. I believe a lot
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Kiros also was in attendance. Correct, a lot of trouble
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: getting this pulled off? Elijah, tell me what was going
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: on with this?
• 34:47
  Speaker 11: So I don't know where to start.
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: We put together an awesome event and it was supposed
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: to be how in the venue which is in my
• 34:56
  Speaker 12: district and what matters? And out of nowhere the owners
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: of the establishment decided, you know, that we would have
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: to uninvite Rashida to lead congresswomen to leave in order
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: to host the event there, which was a no go
• 35:09
  Speaker 12: from all of us. We were not going to do
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: that to the congresswomen, so we changed venues.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: What did they say, Sorry, I want to hear the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: whole story, but what did they say specifically about why
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: a congresswoman to lead could not be there?
• 35:22
  Speaker 12: Well, they didn't really go in specifics, but we know
• 35:24
  Speaker 12: that there was a Facebook post from a Democratic state representative,
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: Michael Gottlieb unhinged Facebook posts attacking Rashida to leave, attacking
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: all of us, calling us anti Semitic, saying it was
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: a Nazi hate rally and that they were going to
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: call the venue and make all types of threats to
• 35:42
  Speaker 12: the venue. So they ultimately, you know, called and said
• 35:45
  Speaker 12: that we had to uninvite Rashida. We didn't do that,
• 35:49
  Speaker 12: so they breached a contract and we ended up going
• 35:51
  Speaker 12: to a different venue in my district, the Downtown Event Center,
• 35:54
  Speaker 12: which in the middle of the night canceled on us
• 35:57
  Speaker 12: as well, saying that they got threats and intimidate. And so
• 36:00
  Speaker 12: we ultimately found a third venue that worked out well,
• 36:03
  Speaker 12: and it was an incredible event.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: And Elijah, are you in fact anti Semitic?
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: No, I'm actually a Jew myself. So but I've been
• 36:13
  Speaker 12: called self hating by Michael Gottlieb, a Democrat who teamed
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: up with Laura Lumer to attack our event. Some people
• 36:21
  Speaker 12: got death threats, my address was leaked online due to
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: this insanity, went on a screed against me and the
• 36:28
  Speaker 12: rest of the candidates.
• 36:29
  Speaker 11: So, yeah, those are the Democrats we have, So.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Oliver, why don't you pick up on that, because I
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: think people will be pretty shocked to learn that you've
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: got elected Democrats in the Florida Democratic Party who are
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: making common cause here with Laura Lumer and the likes
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: of you know, she's like just blatantly bigoted islamophobic person.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And she's not the only one on the right that
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Florida Democrats are sort of making common cause with here.
• 36:55
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Randy Fine, the bigoted, islamophobic United States representative from
• 37:00
  Speaker 13: the sixth district, also was in Fox News saying that
• 37:04
  Speaker 13: we would not we were not supposed to have Rashida
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: Telib come to our district and rally with us. That
• 37:13
  Speaker 13: this was again what Elijah said, making these spurious claims
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: and accusations a lot of its projection, right, I mean
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: this is these are some of the most bigoted, islamophobic
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: figures and the Republican Party, and unfortunately, as Michael Gottlieb
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: revealed himself, someone who would make common cause with the
• 37:32
  Speaker 13: far right to suppress the voices of Democratic voters and
• 37:36
  Speaker 13: try to get in the way of exercising our First
• 37:39
  Speaker 13: Amendment rights to freedom of speech. So we had a
• 37:42
  Speaker 13: strong degree of confidence in the second venue, the Downtown
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: Event Center. I was actually there for the care South
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: Florida gala that Angie Nixon spoke at. But the pressure campaign,
• 37:53
  Speaker 13: the harassment, the targeted hate that we saw motivated the
• 37:59
  Speaker 13: cancelations of these two venues. We're talking about hundreds of
• 38:02
  Speaker 13: calls that were made, and like Elijah said, threats that
• 38:05
  Speaker 13: were made personally against candidates, against attendees, and it's just
• 38:10
  Speaker 13: unacceptable and the Democratic Party, especially down here in South Florida,
• 38:14
  Speaker 13: really needs to make a choice because what we're talking
• 38:16
  Speaker 13: about is collective liberation. We're talking about an end to
• 38:19
  Speaker 13: genocide and an end to apartheid and making sure that
• 38:23
  Speaker 13: the actions of the Israeli government is not putting people
• 38:25
  Speaker 13: in our districts, including Jewish Americans, at risk by getting
• 38:29
  Speaker 13: the blowback of these very anti Semitic claims that just
• 38:33
  Speaker 13: try to paint the Jewish community as a monolith and
• 38:36
  Speaker 13: ascribe the actions of the Israeli government to people in
• 38:39
  Speaker 13: South Florida, including Jewish Floridians, who just want to see
• 38:42
  Speaker 13: us address the cost of living crisis and not contribute
• 38:45
  Speaker 13: to breaking both US and international law. So I was
• 38:48
  Speaker 13: very glad to see the event go forward. We're very
• 38:50
  Speaker 13: grateful to the venue owners that ultimately hosted us. It
• 38:54
  Speaker 13: was a fantastic event and something that was really unprecedented
• 38:58
  Speaker 13: in modern South Florida political history.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see both of you have a lot of
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: grassroots support here heading into election day. I think you
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: both have very difficult campaigns up against a lot, but
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: it's been encouraging to see the number of people have
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: come out to support both of your campaigns.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Elijah.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: We've obviously been tracking here the kind of democratic civil war,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: if you want to call it that, in Michigan and
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: New York and Colorado and other places around the country.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: What does that look like on the ground in Florida specifically.
• 39:24
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, I think similarly, people are sick of
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: the Democratic establishment here in Florida across the board, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: I'm seeing that play out in the twentieth district as well.
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: Of course, we have a little bit more happening here
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: as well. We have a white carpetbacker in our district
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: running to take away one of the last remaining African
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: American opportunity districts here in the South. And this is
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: a person we all know shared the DNC and it's
• 39:49
  Speaker 12: responsible for Donald Trump being in the White House because
• 39:52
  Speaker 12: she couldn't keep her hands off the primary at twenty sixteen.
• 39:55
  Speaker 12: And people don't like her in this district and they
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: understand what is going on, stand that she is just
• 40:01
  Speaker 12: an APAC puppet, And like other places in the country,
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: we're aiming to remove her from Congress tomorrow.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Talk a little bit more about that, the way this
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: game about W. Wasserman Schultz running in this particular district
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: and what the response has been like locally.
• 40:17
  Speaker 12: So she completely ignored the Black community before she decided
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: to run the Black Caucus, the Legislative Black Caucus, the CBC.
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: She didn't meet with anyone. She decided to leave her
• 40:30
  Speaker 12: district where she currently lives in the twenty second district,
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: leave the Democrat without the Democratic Party without the strongest
• 40:36
  Speaker 12: possible challenge, to run over here in a seat that
• 40:39
  Speaker 12: was created under the VRA in nineteen ninety to forcibly
• 40:44
  Speaker 12: ensure that African Americans in Florida had representation in Congress
• 40:48
  Speaker 12: and that individual else Haystin's report was the first African
• 40:51
  Speaker 12: American representative from Florida to the United States Congress.
• 40:54
  Speaker 11: So she annoyed the community decided to run here.
• 40:57
  Speaker 12: There has been a ton of backlash and push back
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: against her from elected officials, from the black community, from
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: white elected officials, you name it, from the party in general,
• 41:06
  Speaker 12: even from our state party chair Nikki Free who condemned
• 41:10
  Speaker 12: her for this move. And unfortunately that didn't stop Debbie
• 41:14
  Speaker 12: Debbie decided to run anyways because she only cares about herself,
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: and you know, we're hoping, you know that this cynical move.
• 41:22
  Speaker 12: She's running because she believes that the black vote is split.
• 41:25
  Speaker 12: You have four black candidates, They're going to split up
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: the vote and I can just squeeze my way through.
• 41:29
  Speaker 11: We're hoping that doesn't happen.
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: But if that does happen tomorrow, she needs to be
• 41:34
  Speaker 12: seen as a pariah in Congress. No Democrat should touch her,
• 41:37
  Speaker 12: the caucus should condemn her, and we need to remove
• 41:39
  Speaker 12: her from.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Marcia Olivery, you had an interesting exchange on local news
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: that has gone viral where it got fairly contentious over
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: the genocide that you rightly call out as Israel committing
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: in Gaza. I was going to take a look at
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: this exchange, guys, this is F four and then I
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: and get your reaction on the other side.
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: Israel is committing a genocide.
• 42:02
  Speaker 15: Correct, That is factually incorrect.
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: It has been regarded by the United Nations and Amnesty
• 42:07
  Speaker 14: International and even Israeli human rights organizations including Bettsalem.
• 42:10
  Speaker 15: There's a numbers of genocide in the UN. The UN
• 42:14
  Speaker 15: has said this does not apply to what many people
• 42:17
  Speaker 15: might think as a disproportionate wartime action.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: That's what that is.
• 42:23
  Speaker 15: In many people's minds. Genocide is a very specific thing, actually,
• 42:27
  Speaker 15: genocide being committed against Jewish people, not by Israel. And
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: that's just a fact.
• 42:33
  Speaker 14: I mean, the United Nations recently in Geneva found that
• 42:36
  Speaker 14: the IDF had deliberately targeted women and children. There's been
• 42:40
  Speaker 14: famine conditions imposed over the Gaza Strip by the blockading
• 42:43
  Speaker 14: of AID entering the strip. There's been indiscriminate bombing of hospitals,
• 42:47
  Speaker 14: of mosques, of churches of.
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: Again, I'm gonna have to stop you as that is
• 42:51
  Speaker 15: factually not correct. But I hear you talking about something
• 42:55
  Speaker 15: very important to a lot of people and certainly who
• 42:58
  Speaker 15: think that way. As a congressman, I am I'm being
• 43:03
  Speaker 15: told we have to wrap.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I love the being told she has to wrap. This
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: is the second time I'm aware of all of her
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: where Suddenly suddenly producers are coming in and saying, rep
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: we got to get out of this. But just take
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: me through that interview and what that exchange was like.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: When kind of the reaction has been after the fact.
• 43:20
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, it started as a cordial interview. We
• 43:23
  Speaker 13: were talking about medicare for all, we were talking about
• 43:26
  Speaker 13: the district. But this third rail in American politics of
• 43:30
  Speaker 13: just joining the assessments of the rest of the international
• 43:34
  Speaker 13: community and even many organizations within the United States. I'm
• 43:38
  Speaker 13: not making these spurious claims or accusations. This is all
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: grounded in fact and sourced material. And I think for
• 43:46
  Speaker 13: most Americans that just see what's happening on our phones,
• 43:50
  Speaker 13: we see the destruction of what is it ninety percent
• 43:53
  Speaker 13: of the building structures in Gaza. We've seen time and
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: again since October of twenty twenty three, and even in
• 44:00
  Speaker 13: the time preceding it, with the mowing of the grass
• 44:04
  Speaker 13: that the IDF has conducted, that there are genocidal conditions
• 44:09
  Speaker 13: in gossip, that there is in apartheid. And this has
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: been regarded by virtually every international body that has studied
• 44:16
  Speaker 13: the issue. And this is just not something that we
• 44:19
  Speaker 13: here talked about on local mainstream media. There are not
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: candidates like Elijah and I that really forcefully advocate for
• 44:28
  Speaker 13: a differing point of view, because this is we've seen
• 44:32
  Speaker 13: the manifestation of this intimidation campaign with the attempt to
• 44:35
  Speaker 13: cancel this rally. But I think it is precisely because
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: I'm not afraid to go into these spaces and speak
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: truth to power and do it calmly and respectfully. I'm not,
• 44:45
  Speaker 13: you know, personally attacking the hosts there. I'm just presenting
• 44:49
  Speaker 13: the point of view that is representative of all the
• 44:52
  Speaker 13: people supporting our campaign, so many people across the United States.
• 44:55
  Speaker 13: I mean, there is a reason that we're seeing so
• 44:57
  Speaker 13: many democratic socialists and PROGRESSI of primary challengers winning these
• 45:01
  Speaker 13: races by standing up to Apak and refusing to bow
• 45:05
  Speaker 13: to the party line when it comes to the unquestioning
• 45:08
  Speaker 13: support for Israel. So I think it is resonant exactly
• 45:13
  Speaker 13: because we see the facts of the matter going up
• 45:16
  Speaker 13: against the kind of stated prerogatives of corporate and mainstream media,
• 45:21
  Speaker 13: and I think that's something that they're going to have
• 45:23
  Speaker 13: to continue to contend with, as you know, they handering
• 45:26
  Speaker 13: over why they have such declining influence and people are
• 45:30
  Speaker 13: looking at more independent media as an authoritative source for
• 45:34
  Speaker 13: international issues.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Alijah, I know you've been busy, so I don't
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: know if you saw this interview or not, but I
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: took a lot of interest in Hickem Jeffries, who's likely
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: to be speaker of Democrats take the House was questioned
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: yesterday about Medicare for all specifically, and he said, no,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't support that, And to me, it
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: just exposes how much of a disconnect there is between
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: a lot of elected Democratic leadership, especially establishment leadership, and.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Where the base of the party is.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Because, oh, werewhelming majority of Democratic voter support medicare for
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: all and they support an end to funding of Israel's genocide. So,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: you know, what are your reflections on those comments from
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Hankem Jefferies and that disconnect between the leadership and where
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: the base of the party is.
• 46:15
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I actually just spoke about this in another interview,
• 46:17
  Speaker 12: and you know, I'm not surprised at all, but it
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: does show a disconnect from the party leadership to the base.
• 46:24
  Speaker 12: And I just don't understand this idea where we have
• 46:27
  Speaker 12: to give light in breadth to Republican talking points and
• 46:31
  Speaker 12: to Republican arguments about the Democratic Party. Our base wants
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: medicare for all, Our base wants us to stop genocide
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: and stop funding it. Like all the polling says this,
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: that's where the people are. That's where even more than
• 46:44
  Speaker 12: half of the members of Congress and our caucus are
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: at this point, and so Kim Jefferies needs to catch
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: up with the rest of the party or he does
• 46:50
  Speaker 12: not need to be the leader if he cannot lead
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: the party in the direction it needs to go. I mean,
• 46:56
  Speaker 12: you know, you're getting ready to be the Speaker of
• 46:58
  Speaker 12: the House of Representatives and telling us what we can't do.
• 47:01
  Speaker 12: You're supposed to be showing the vision of what Democratic
• 47:04
  Speaker 12: Party can do when we have the majority. We're going
• 47:06
  Speaker 12: to fight for METICUEV for all, We're going to stop
• 47:08
  Speaker 12: illegal wars.
• 47:09
  Speaker 11: Like what is he doing?
• 47:11
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean Republicans when they take power, they never
• 47:14
  Speaker 12: you never catch a Republican saying we can't do this,
• 47:16
  Speaker 12: we won't do this.
• 47:17
  Speaker 11: I don't agree with this.
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: They're lockstep behind their fascist agenda. They're always talking about
• 47:22
  Speaker 12: what they're going to do, and they see no impediment
• 47:25
  Speaker 12: in their way of their agenda. And so he needs
• 47:28
  Speaker 12: to figure out what's going on in his head and
• 47:30
  Speaker 12: figure out what we're doing. But like, I'm not happy
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: you know that we have a Democratic leader telling the
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: base and telling the party no, you know, prehectively, we're
• 47:38
  Speaker 12: not going to fight for something.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, he's got a concept of a plan on healthcare.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Don't worry, guys, Oliver, I have to ask you this question.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: This is Sager likes to let me handle these intrademocratic
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: party candidate discussions and debates. However, he did have one
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: question for you, in particular about your opponent, Jared moscow Is.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: We can put F three up on the screen.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Soccer finds it and incredibly distasteful that he is, I think,
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: the founder of the sneaker Caucus and loves to sport
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: this kind of a fit as he's going about his
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: official business. He's got these like giant red Nike's on
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: alongside of his suit, and so Saber was wondering what
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: your position is on this type of a look with
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: the sneakers in suit combo.
• 48:22
  Speaker 13: You know, there's a price tag attached to everything that
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: Jared Moskwoitz does in Congress, including the fact that he
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: takes money from Nike's corporate pack. So this bipartisan sneaker
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: Caucus is not just simply Jared Moskwoitz.
• 48:35
  Speaker 11: Being a sneaker head. Look. I like fashion.
• 48:38
  Speaker 13: I suppose I still have many of the same pairs
• 48:41
  Speaker 13: as sneakers I had in high school. I haven't grown
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: very much since then, So I'm not someone who collects
• 48:46
  Speaker 13: sneakers the way that Jared Moskwoitz does. But it really
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: is it's the money in politics. I hate to harp
• 48:51
  Speaker 13: on it and always bring it back to money in politics,
• 48:54
  Speaker 13: but everything this man does in Congress, it's with a
• 48:57
  Speaker 13: price tag attached, and that includes the bip Artists and
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: sneaker Caucus, And I just what is there to say
• 49:04
  Speaker 13: he's trying to make common cause with Republicans. Look, there's
• 49:09
  Speaker 13: it's not to say that there's no reason to make
• 49:10
  Speaker 13: common cause with the Republicans. Look at what Rocanna and
• 49:13
  Speaker 13: Thomas Massey have been able to accomplish together. I think
• 49:15
  Speaker 13: there's a tremendous opportunity to work with the other side.
• 49:18
  Speaker 13: But just trying to shill for a corporation, I don't
• 49:22
  Speaker 13: think that's what the people of South Florida's twenty fifth
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  Speaker 13: district are looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Man, that was some Zorn level of keeping it on message, Oliver,
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  Speaker 2: very impressive, Elijah, Feel free to weigh in on Jared
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Moskowitz's attire, but also let people know where they can
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  Speaker 2: support your campaign and find out more.
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  Speaker 12: I'm gonna be honest, I think the sneakers likely maybe
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  Speaker 12: an unpopular position, so I don't like to look.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably a pretty popular position. Actually, the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: way he's not pulling it off, I would say, let's.
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  Speaker 12: Put dress shoes on. Come on, like I mean him
• 49:52
  Speaker 12: fetterman with the put the suit on it. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 12: like you're a member of Congress. The way to sneakers,
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  Speaker 12: like maybe you're not there. But like everything these people do,
• 50:01
  Speaker 12: our suspect completely.
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  Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, let people know Oliver you first, and
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: then you Elijah where they can find out more and
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  Speaker 2: support your campaigns.
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  Speaker 4: Election days tomorrow.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, www dot Oliver for Congress dot com. Our district
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  Speaker 13: spans Palm Beach Proward in Miami Dade Counties from Delray
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  Speaker 13: Beach in the north all the way down to Miami
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  Speaker 13: Beach in the south. So if you live on the coastline,
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  Speaker 13: come out and vote for us or go vote for Elijah.
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  Speaker 13: But Oliver for Congress dot com is where you can
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  Speaker 13: find everything you need to for our campaign.
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  Speaker 12: And www dot Elijah Manley dot com. We still need
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  Speaker 12: some phone banking support if you can, and donations as well.
• 50:37
  Speaker 12: There's been about four hundred thousand and a pass spinning
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  Speaker 12: in just a week, so.
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  Speaker 11: Wow you ought to help.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that means they're taking guys seriously. So thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much for spending some time. Good luck tomorrow. I
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: know you're very busy, so we really appreciate you taking
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to speak.
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  Speaker 4: To the audience.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely, thanks Crystal.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: All right, that does it for us here today. Sager
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  Speaker 2: and I will be back here tomorrow, so we will
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  Speaker 2: see you.
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  Speaker 3: Then put
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  Speaker 5: British