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Living the Lord's Prayer as a Source of Spiritual Fulfillment (Part 2) · The Father's Business Podcast

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: The Father's Business was founded by Sylvia Gunter to encourage people to a deeper relationship with God.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Elizabeth Gunter-Powell.
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  Speaker 2: And I am Kimberly Roddy.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Father's Business podcast.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: We are so glad that you've joined us.
• 0:17
  Speaker 2: Well, welcome everyone.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: Back to the Father's Business podcast.
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: We started a conversation last week on the Lord's Prayer, and today we're going to have a conversation about the second half of the prayer, which talks about really asking God for things, beseeching Him, looking to Him for our needs.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: But the first half of the prayer was really about focusing on God and who he is and the fact that he's our Father.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: He's in heaven, his name is to be praised, it is to be revered and to really seek His kingdom coming and not our agenda and our will and our control.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: And so we encouraged you to really pray that first half of the prayer last week, and I'm curious how that went for everyone.
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: And so, elizabeth, did you get an opportunity to focus on that this last week?
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I did.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: As God often does, when you give someone else a challenge, he's like okay, here's your laboratory, why don't you try it?
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: And so there were several situations.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: Some were trivial, I mean as far as when you're looking at the grand scheme of life, where a computer started acting up and weren't sure if it had crashed and was never coming back, or if it was going to get back online, and I mean, yes, that's inconvenient and it would have been expensive if I had to fix it, but at the same time that's not a life-threatening issue.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, god, you care about everything.
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  Speaker 1: So I just started praying your kingdom, come, your will, be done over this situation too.
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: And it took a minute, but the computer did come back online and that was kind of cool to see.
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: And then there was the phone call from a friend whose spouse was going in for a normal checkup and all of a sudden they're in surgery and it's serious.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: They just happened to do a CAT scan and found something.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: And next thing you know they're in surgery and not sure how it's going to go In those situations where you don't know what else to pray other than you know God help and God heal, but just to also just proclaim over my friend and their spouse your kingdom come.
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: Your will be done on earth as in heaven, and just even in the frustration, chaos of life things aren't going well, you know, my day feels scrambled and just constantly trying to get myself back into that rhythm of.
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  Speaker 1: God is the one who's in control.
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  Speaker 1: He is a father.
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  Speaker 1: He cares very deeply for me as, and I am his beloved child, and so therefore I can trust that he is establishing his kingdom throughout the ups and downs of my week.
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  Speaker 1: So I think it was a very good exercise to focus more on that rather than my natural bent, which is to advise God, counsel God, suggest to God how he can best do his job.
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  Speaker 1: So it was a it was a good week and a reminder that whenever we give a challenge on this podcast, the first person that's going to have to live it is me for sure, I read where an author said the first half of the prayer is the keyword there is your, and the second half of the prayer is us.
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  Speaker 2: So it's your name, your kingdom, your will.
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  Speaker 2: And the second half is give us, forgive us, lead us, those kinds of things.
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  Speaker 2: And so it is.
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  Speaker 2: It is challenging, I think, to really just stop our prayers and focus our prayers on your for.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: God right and so that's kind of what you're talking about, and so it is interesting to just shows us how selfish we are, yeah, and how focused we are on what we can get from this relationship with God, and that's important too, but it can't be without that first half, which is critical Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: He cares for us and he tells us to cast all our cares upon him and present our request to him.
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: And, but I think a lot of times we do think prayer is more of a to do list that we can give God to help us with, rather than the relationship that it is the give and take of the of the your and us.
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  Speaker 2: So do you want to jump into the second half of the prayer?
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  Speaker 2: Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: So one of the things that I was thinking, again as I was reading a little bit about this and preparing and just thinking deeper about the Lord's prayer, is that you can see three big ideas that Jesus is saying here's.
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  Speaker 2: Here's how you can pray for yourself and for others.
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  Speaker 2: There's the prayer of provision, for give us this day our daily bread.
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  Speaker 2: There's a prayer for pardon, for give us our debts or our trespasses, as we forgive those who have debts or trespass against us.
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  Speaker 2: And then a prayer for protection of lead us not to temptation, but deliver us from evil.
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  Speaker 2: So why don't we start with that first petition there of give us this day our daily bread?
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  Speaker 2: It's a prayer of provision.
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  Speaker 2: It's a recognition of trying to remember who it is that gives us everything that we need and that give us this daily bread.
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  Speaker 2: That, that phrase, for me, always takes me back to Exodus, where the Israelites were traveling through the wilderness and God provided manna for each day.
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  Speaker 2: Right, elizabeth?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he did Just just for that day, and if they, except for the day before the Sabbath, it would last two days, but if they tried to hoard it and keep it longer than a day it spoiled.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think that is.
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: I love the phrasing of it that it's give us this day, not this week, but give us this day our daily bread, and I hope it's a reminder to all of us that we don't take a breath without him.
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  Speaker 1: We don't, we don't make it through the day without him.
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  Speaker 1: It's a moment by moment, dependence upon him and recognizing him as the provider of all things.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and I think the, the word for bread, is an ordinary common language.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the extravagant, it really is showing the God of the details that God cares about the details, right, he cares about us being able to say today.
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: So I think some keywords in that phrase are bread, which is all the little things, right, right, and then daily, like you were saying, it is each day, each moment, each breath, and a reminder that we are dependent upon him for that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and I think sometimes we think prayers only reserved for the big things, you know, like when there is a crisis, that's when we pray for things, but he wants us to invite him to go with us in our day and not be.
• 6:28
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes you can think prayers what I do first thing in the morning, or something I do before I go to bed at night, instead of an ongoing conversation throughout the day about the big things and the small things.
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: So you know, kimberly, the next phrase is forgive our sins as we forgive those that sin against us, or forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: You and I had a conversation about this and I'd love for you to kind of expand on this, talking about how, even as we're saying, forgive us as we forgive others, we don't have the power to do that, apart from him.
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: I think what's absolutely key here is we, in and of ourselves, are unable to forgive others without being forgiven ourselves and without recognizing the endless grace that God forgives us with, and so I can't muster up enough ability to choose to forgive someone.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I feel that tension in relationship, and I'm sure many of us do.
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  Speaker 2: We feel that tension when we know we've wronged someone, or even when someone feels that we've wronged them and we know that our intention is different from our intent.
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  Speaker 2: We still have to work to choose to seek their forgiveness.
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: I mean Kimberly.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, in the tradition I grew up in, it got kind of twisted where it's like if I don't forgive those who sin against me, god's not going to forgive me.
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: So it like the responsibility got shifted to it was up to me to forgive so that then God could forgive me.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: And what you're talking about, and the grace that is in what you're talking about, is a total 180 and I think the correct perspective to have on all of this yeah, and therein lies some of the problems with religion versus the gospel.
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: in a relationship with Jesus, we follow rules and rituals, and it was what Jesus talked about over and over again with the religious leaders and the Pharisees.
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  Speaker 2: It's like it's not about following the law, because following the law becomes about you.
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  Speaker 2: And it is less about Jesus and what he's done.
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  Speaker 2: So in that tradition, it becomes the responsible, right thing to do.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: And sure, there is a place where I need to choose to forgive when I don't feel like it, because Jesus chose to forgive us.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: It was a huge sacrifice of his very life to absolve us from our wrongs, from our sins, from our shortcomings, from all of it, right, right.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: And so there is this abundant grace that has been poured out on me, and for me to withhold offering that grace to someone else who's seeking my forgiveness or who has sinned against me isn't really about living out that gospel life, and so I can't muster up enough.
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: If I muster up enough and just grip my teeth together and say I'm going to forgive them, I'm going to forgive you, I feel like there's still some resentment in that if we don't choose to recognize that somewhere along the way, forgiveness has to come from what God has offered us.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: And I also think about the fact that someone shared with me one time that not forgiving others kind of leaves us wrapped up like a mummy, yeah, and we're the ones who are kind of held in bondage because we're holding on to that unforgiveness.
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: And so I think I mean there's again, these are these types of conversation that lead us into this spectrum of hurts, and where we need to have boundaries and safety and how we've been hurt and different things like that.
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm really talking about the spirit of forgiveness, because you can forgive someone and set them free, because you're setting yourself free out of the understanding of the gospel and what Christ has done for you, without also having an ongoing relationship with them if you don't need to right, but in the day-to-day forgiveness of the ongoing relationships we have.
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: I think all of it's got to come out of this place of I forgive you because I have also been forgiven.
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I agree that you know.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Forgiveness is not necessarily saying what they did was okay or letting them off the hook, necessarily, but it is about letting go of that bitterness or anger or whatever emotion that, honestly, is doing more damage to your own heart than it is the other person.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Oftentimes, the person that I'm not wanting to forgive has no clue that I hold resentment in my heart against them, you know, and so they're not bothered by me not forgiving them.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: So it really is my own heart where I want to keep short accounts and not hold onto resentment and bitterness and not rehearse in my heart things that have been done wrong.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: But I totally agree with you, kimberly.
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  Speaker 1: There are relationships I've had in my life where I have forgiven the person that has hurt me, but they have proven themselves not to be a safe person, and so that doesn't mean that I'm going to continue to be in close relationship with them, but I, at the same time, I don't wake up in the morning with resentment and bitterness in my heart towards that person, and so there is a whole spectrum of what that looks like.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: But I think the main point of this is to just constantly have our hearts in a place where we're asking you know Jesus, is there anyone?
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  Speaker 1: Is there any emotion I'm holding on to?
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  Speaker 1: Is there any feeling that I'm having?
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  Speaker 1: That is not a view that I need to let go of and forgive that person or that situation.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's interesting too if you look at the structure of the prayer, at least in the English language, with the way I'm looking at it, it says forgive me my sins as I forgive those who sin against me.
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  Speaker 2: So what, if this is the model prayer that Jesus is teaching people to follow and to say this is how you should pray, then there is an expectation that I will forgive those who sin against me, right?
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: Because he says forgive me my sins as I forgive those who sin against me.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's almost I mean I don't know I'd have to look at the original language to know if it's a command, I don't know, but I think there is this idea that knowing Jesus and being a Jesus follower because that's he's teaching his followers how to pray, then he's telling us to follow me is to forgive those who sin against you, right.
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: They go hand in hand.
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  Speaker 2: So I feel like understanding the flow and the structure of that sentence helps us understand how it is a gospeled center form of forgiveness and not a man centered, which is kind of what you were speaking about originally.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean the way that I heard it was, if I don't forgive, god is not going to forgive me.
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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in that balance between those two things, jesus will forgive me, whether I forgive or not.
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  Speaker 1: Like I mean that's, he's done that.
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  Speaker 1: He died for me on the cross.
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  Speaker 1: My sins are paid for.
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  Speaker 1: Whether I choose to be obedient or disobedient to him, his character doesn't change towards me.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that's grace.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't want to abuse that grace.
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  Speaker 1: Because of that grace, I do want to forgive.
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  Speaker 1: Because of that grace, I do want to be in right relationship with others, right.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: And I think the phrasing of that phrase is just a great way to remind us.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it is, I have my part, I need to forgive.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: But also, kind of almost as a reminder, right after it, jesus is asking us to do something and then reminding us this is what I've already done for you, so you have the power to be able to do it, and so I am able to forgive, as he has forgiven me.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: So you look at Jesus, even as he is going through such severe emotional, physical, spiritual trauma, as he is being crucified, and there's two pictures right up there.
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  Speaker 1: Right there's the thief that taunts him and says if you're the Son of God, why don't you save yourself?
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  Speaker 1: Then there's the other one that says remember me when you are in paradise.
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  Speaker 1: And Jesus immediately says forgives him and says you will be with me there.
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  Speaker 1: That thief hadn't done anything to gain or earn Jesus' forgiveness other than say remember me and so much.
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  Speaker 1: In the same way as I read this phrase in a much more grace centered way it's not I have gained God's forgiveness because I have chosen to forgive people.
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: It's I am forgiving people just as God has, more abundantly than I could ever ask or imagine, forgiven me.
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  Speaker 1: So how could I not, on a much more smaller, non perfect, still somewhat flawed way, make my best efforts to forgive those around me if Jesus has forgiven me this much?
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  Speaker 2: And yet I'm going to throw out a little caveat here.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, right after Jesus says this is how I teach you to pray.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: In Matthew 6, verse 14, he says for if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: So great.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: Ken Lohson, kimberly Roddy how do you explain that one?
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: We got two women with seminary degrees talking about it.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Well, one commentator pointed out that John Stott said God forgives only the penitent, and one of the chief evidences of true penitence is a forgiving spirit.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: So how can you even talk about wanting your sins forgiving if you're holding grudges against other people because you're asking God to do for you what you're unwilling to do for others?
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: He goes on to say he says our real problem is not theological, our real problem is personal.
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  Speaker 2: We don't see ourselves as great sinners.
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  Speaker 2: Therefore we do not appreciate how greatly God has forgiven us.
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  Speaker 2: But when your own sins seem small, the sins of others against you will seem big.
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  Speaker 2: But the reverse is also true the greater you see the depth of your sin before God, the less the sins of other people against you will bother you.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kimberly, as I listen to that, I think about the forgiveness piece that he's talking about there.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't forgive God, it's not going to forgive you.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a salvation issue, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: If I hold unforgiveness in my heart or someone because they've hurt me, I am no longer a Christian, because, as Jesus is teaching the Lord's prayer, he's teaching it to his disciples and as he continues to talk in this passage, he is talking to his followers.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: And so I mean you look at it he forgave the thief on the cross who just said remember me in paradise.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: He didn't even say would you please forgive me and allow me to enter your kingdom.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: He's like just remember me today when you're in paradise.
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  Speaker 1: And so, again, I believe it has so much more to do with the character of God than it does us Now.
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  Speaker 1: Because of that character of God, I do need to be willing to understand the great weight of what I've been forgiven and therefore I need to be much more quick to not hold grudges, to not sit in judgment, to not think that I am better than other people in my life and try to be ruler and judge over them.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: And so it is a relationship issue.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I think he underlines of all the things that he could underscore one more time.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: After he prays the Lord's prayer, he focuses in on forgiveness, and I think it's because he understands how much it hurts our own heart to hold on to unforgiveness and it does cause a bit of separation between us and God.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I do believe it is hard to have a heart of worship when I'm also harboring unforgiveness in my heart toward someone and focusing on that resentment.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: It's hard for me to have the fruit of the spirit flowing through my life when I am focused on hatred, bitterness, resentment, all those types of things.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: It's not healthy for me, it's not good for my human relationships, it's also not good for my relationship with him, and so I think sometimes Jesus said things to shock people.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I mean we know he did.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: He said things to the Pharisees just to kind of get them stirred up, and so I see this as more of one of those types of phrases where he's trying to snap them to attention that this is how important forgiveness is in the kingdom of God, rather than if you hold resentment in your heart towards someone because they've hurt you, you are no longer a part of my kingdom.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth, I like the wording that your mom uses in the prayer essentials for living in his presence, volume two, where she has praying personally the Lord's prayer.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It says I want to tear up the IOUs I am holding because of wrongs against me.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I want to keep short accounts, holding no offenses and no unforgiveness, and so it really gets to that relational, personal context.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: A lot of people say don't let the sun go down on your anger.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, you've probably seen the sign that you'll see in houses or in bedrooms.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It says always kiss me goodnight.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I actually have one of those little plaques in my bedroom with my mom and dad.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: We would always tell each other good night and give each other a kiss goodnight, and that was a way of a relational connection and a reminder of our love, no matter what had happened.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And so for me that is kind of another way of saying don't let the sun go down of your anger, but it's a more positive way of saying it to me.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: So it's not necessarily a romantic notion, as much as a.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: When I go to bed at night, I want to make sure that the sun is setting and I'm going to bed knowing that I've done my best to give and receive forgiveness.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: And that's hard, practically each day, very hard, which is, like you were just saying, part of the reason why I think Jesus was speaking to it after he gave the model prayer.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: He had to know that this was going to be something that would be incredibly hard for us to do and would go against our nature as sinners.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lot easier for me to believe that God is going to come through for me and he's going to provide for me than it is to let go when I think there's been injustice, when I think someone has harmed me.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And letting them off the hook, so to speak, and being okay with them again takes a lot more faith and a lot more trust that God is going to be the one who fights my battles for me.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And it's not my place to judge them and it's not my place to punish them, but it's to leave that person in God's hands and allow God to heal.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And so I've got to be willing to trust God with those people and allow God to work in their heart and mind, and that's hard.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: It is hard.
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  Speaker 2: And the next part of the prayer is that prayer for protection.
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  Speaker 2: It's lead me not into temptation and deliver me from evil.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got this idea of asking to not be led into temptation In my formative teenage years, when I was seeking the Lord and attending youth group and going to youth camp and doing all these.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Like really it was just a time, a really sweet time in my life of a sweet relationship with the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: One of the key verses that I memorized was 1 Corinthians 10-13.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's always stuck with me.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It says no temptation has overtaken you, but such is as common to man.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And God is faithful, he will provide you a way of escape.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: And so I think of that when I pray.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: When Jesus is saying here pray, pray, lead me not into temptation.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I think there always is a way of escape.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of what this is saying Lead me not into temptation.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that phrase?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I mean what it mainly pops up in my head is broken systems that we've talked about before on this podcast is there is for every situation I find myself in, whether sad, mad, glad, stressed, whatever it is there is a way that I can choose to come to living water and drink of him, or I can turn to a broken system and try to find my own satisfaction, and so I hear that lead me not into temptation as kind of a way of saying I rather come to you than to whatever it is that I can chase after to try to fill myself, and so I think it's a plea to help me have all of who I am aligned with, all of who you are, and come to you rather than chasing after things that are not going to satisfy.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and not being a victim to those temptations and those outside broken systems, right, like not being.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not just subject, they're not in control of me.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: But, as I pray.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: This prayer I've submitted to the sovereignty prior in the lines above.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I have submitted myself to the sovereignty of his Lordship and his leadership, and so it is seeking his protection, as he is my Heavenly Father.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: So that's where these prayers of provision and pardon and protection, petitioning him, are connected to the what we called the first part of the prayer, which is establishing that relational connection of who he is and how we stand in him as believers.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And just as you're reading back through the Lord's prayer, I can kind of overlay Jeremiah 2 on top of it, as we talked about with broken systems, because it talks about how, in the beginning, you followed me through the desert as a bride and just this glorious relationship.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And so as we pray the Lord's prayer, it's reminding us of that rightful place of our identity as his beloved.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: And then I find it interesting that we talk about our daily needs and then we talk about forgiving others, which I think are two major trigger points of when I want to run to broken systems is when I feel like something's not being met in me or I've been hurt by someone one and two of why I would run to a broken sister and is right there and then also feeling God's not there for me.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So we those three things have been covered in the first part of the prayer before we get to lead me not to into temptation.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So if we're following along with this prayer and we're aligning ourselves as we go through it, the temptations aren't going to be as great, because we are understanding the fullness of who God is and what he's done for us.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And then you see the next line of deliver me from evil.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So then we not only have a God who will protect us and who will not lead us to broken sisters, but will lead us to the wellspring of living life, living water.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Right, he will also deliver us and we are to petition him to deliver us and to protect us from the adversaries and spiritual harms.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Right, because, as we've talked about before, we are living in the middle of a war, and a lot of times, I think, we wake up in the morning and we don't think of it that way Because life is pretty good here in America.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a bomb shelter and I'm not worried about missile strikes, as some of our friends are in other countries even at this time.
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  Speaker 1: But it's easy to get lulled into complacency because you don't remember that you have an enemy, that every day his intent is destroy you, and so we on our own are unable to fight against him.
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  Speaker 1: But we have a great deliverer, a great protector, and so often, as we've, as we shared before, our part is to stand and to watch God provide the victory, and so I think claiming that victory every day is so very important, which leads us to the last phrase, which is yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory.
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  Speaker 1: And I love how this prayer circles back around to kind of the place we were at the beginning, which is not focused on what we're asking him for, not focused on our needs and what's going on in the day to day of our life, but raising our gaze back up to the glory and the majesty and the power of who God is.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think if I truly understood the full majesty of God which is impossible with a human finite mind but if I truly grasped the fullness of who God was, it would radically change the way I approached every circumstance, every relationship.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Forgiveness would not be hard at all if I truly deeply understood the full depths of who God was.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: But the problem is is we are living in a broken, fallen world and our minds are finite, and so we need to press in as much as we can to understand the fullness of who he is.
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  Speaker 2: So, as we look at that last line and we think that, you know, we look at that and we recognize that that was the way Jesus ended the model prayer that he was teaching us then we were left with the opportunity to be amazed at his power and his sovereign, glorious rule.
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  Speaker 2: And so, as we close today, we know that God is inviting us to renew our hearts in him and join him in who he is for us in this prayer.
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  Speaker 2: So, with a full heart, I hope that we can thank God for ministering to us deeply, hearing this conversation, thinking about the Lord's Prayer in a fresh way.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: We pray that we will be able to thank God this week as we continue to think about this.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: He has ministered to us deeply in our inner being and he is inviting us deeper into the wonder of knowing him better and loving him more through understanding this classic prayer.
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