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John Amplas on the Waterfront · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 7: What's up and welcome to movie meltdown i am brian
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  Speaker 7: from right here in the middle of wonderfest literally literally
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  Speaker 7: via digital recording but otherwise literally right in the middle
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  Speaker 7: of things wonder things middle and a little bit above
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  Speaker 7: both all the above including us above okay.
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  Speaker 5: So here was a tie-in that just happened yesterday And
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  Speaker 5: it just kind of annoyed me in like, I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to go with fake geeks. Okay, so there's a guy.
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  Speaker 8: Faux geeks.
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  Speaker 5: I guess. Or again, I don't want to use the
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  Speaker 5: H word, but it's heading into hipster territory. So this
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  Speaker 5: dude has placed in a mat and there's a dude
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  Speaker 5: that comes in and he's going on about his business
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  Speaker 5: and I'm doing what I got to do. And then
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  Speaker 5: he's wearing a shirt that has Godzilla flying through the
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  Speaker 5: air sideways. who also happens, maybe you've seen this, also
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  Speaker 5: happens to be holding like a briefcase and wearing a tie.
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  Speaker 5: It's an odd conglomeration of things, but it's like Godzilla
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  Speaker 5: in flying sideways attack mode. So I'm like, that's cool.
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  Speaker 5: So it's, you know, going into Wonderfest weekend. So like this,
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  Speaker 5: you're wearing the shirt, seems like a good candidate. So
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  Speaker 5: as he's wearing that, I go, so are you going
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  Speaker 5: to Wonderfest tomorrow? Again, I'll pester people. I'll tell them
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  Speaker 5: you need to be here. So like, I'm like, are
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  Speaker 5: you going to Wonderfest tomorrow? And he's like, huh? I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 5: your shirt, jackass. So, again, I'm like, well, you know, it's,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the biggest modeling competition in this part of
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  Speaker 5: the world, or the whole world, I don't know. Go
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  Speaker 5: get the details at the website. But, I mean, it's huge, and, like,
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  Speaker 5: it's centered in the town that you're in right now, buddy,
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  Speaker 5: and you're wearing a shirt that has Godzilla on it,
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  Speaker 5: and there's gonna be tons of Godzilla stuff there, I
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  Speaker 5: can tell you right now.
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  Speaker 8: So, you're going, right?
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  Speaker 5: And he's like, huh?
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  Speaker 9: What?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: So, I I did give him the rundown, but he
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  Speaker 5: seemed like he didn't really care. Not just about Wonderfest,
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  Speaker 5: but about Godzilla. And I'm like, but you're wearing a
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  Speaker 5: shirt with Godzilla on it. It kind of frustrated me.
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  Speaker 9: Would Godzilla be considered science fiction?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, yes.
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  Speaker 5: I would say he's like a perfect example.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it's a good thing that science fiction didn't exist
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  Speaker 9: until the 1980s.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, no.
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  Speaker 5: Now we've crossed over into what you were doing yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: While I was talking to this dude who didn't bother
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  Speaker 5: to know anything about godzilla which was annoying i guess
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  Speaker 5: what did you run into in your little sci-fi world oh.
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  Speaker 9: It's the book sale my first book was a clearance
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  Speaker 9: sale in several cities like once a year there's one
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  Speaker 9: in cincinnati which i've already been to there's one in
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  Speaker 9: indianapolis which i've already been to there's one in louisville
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  Speaker 9: that has not yet happened which i will call in
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  Speaker 9: sick to work to go to.
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  Speaker 5: You might have a problem but we discussed this on
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  Speaker 5: previous episodes and sessions, we'll say.
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  Speaker 9: I was standing in the, I guess you could say,
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  Speaker 9: I don't know, the old book section. I don't know
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  Speaker 9: if you could say that. Like the collector, like weird.
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  Speaker 5: That's where I went to when I went with you.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's where they have the really old stuff and
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  Speaker 9: the interesting stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Weird stuff.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm looking for.
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  Speaker 9: So I'm sitting there and there's two girls across the
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  Speaker 9: table from me and I had to listen. I just,
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  Speaker 9: I just, we're the girls. I just wanted to look
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  Speaker 9: at them and just, are you fucking serious? Are you
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  Speaker 9: for realsies?
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  Speaker 5: Did you grab her and shake her?
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  Speaker 9: How would a broker... Smacking. Anyway, she's sitting there and
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  Speaker 9: she's going on and on about how science fiction as
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  Speaker 9: a genre did not exist until the 1980s. That there
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  Speaker 9: might have been a few, like, short stories, maybe. But
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  Speaker 9: for the most part, it didn't gain a foothold and
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  Speaker 9: become popular until the 1980s. How old was this girl?
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  Speaker 9: I would say she was maybe 19, 20 at the most.
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  Speaker 8: Millennials.
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  Speaker 9: Dude, seriously.
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  Speaker 5: Again, I continue to be like, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: go on that rant. But so often, I'm like, you
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  Speaker 5: guys make it so easy. You do things that just
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  Speaker 5: fall right into the perfect little category that everybody complains about.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, this is a very, again, thinking she
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  Speaker 5: knows everything and kind of not really knowing anything.
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  Speaker 9: I'm going to have to start getting my phone out
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  Speaker 9: and recording this shit when I hear it in the
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  Speaker 9: real world so that I have proof of things that
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  Speaker 9: are happening. Because I'm like, there's nobody that's going to
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  Speaker 9: believe this conversation just fucking happened. Literally, she went on
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  Speaker 9: for a good five minutes about how sci-fi did not exist.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm sitting there looking at the table and you
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  Speaker 9: know all the little sci-fi digest books?
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  Speaker 5: Stacks of them.
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  Speaker 9: There's literally an entire stack of those. And the girl
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  Speaker 9: who's listening to her at least five minute long tirade
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  Speaker 9: about how science fiction.
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  Speaker 5: See, they're on our side. They love sci-fi. And they're like,
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  Speaker 5: down with this girl.
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  Speaker 9: Anyways, she went on and on and on. And the
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  Speaker 9: girl picks up this book. Because we're at the old
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  Speaker 9: book section. And it's a science fiction book. And she
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  Speaker 9: picks it up and thinks, well, this one was written
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  Speaker 9: in the 1930s. And the girl's like, well, that one's
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  Speaker 9: just really rare.
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  Speaker 5: Smacking is in order.
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  Speaker 9: I just walked away. I'm like, I just... Like I said,
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  Speaker 9: I need to start recording these conversations so that I
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  Speaker 9: have proof that this shit actually happens.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you might need to, like, confront her. Like, you
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  Speaker 5: can do, like, your own little side investigative journalism moments
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  Speaker 5: that we can, like, work in.
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  Speaker 9: I just want to be like, are you an idiot?
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  Speaker 9: Or are you serious? Because, I mean, I'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 9: science fiction as a genre has been around. way longer than, like,
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  Speaker 9: the 1980s. Pretty sure. I tried to even Google as
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  Speaker 9: to when the first official, like, science fiction.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, Frankenstein, Edgar Allan Poe, like, both of those
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  Speaker 5: crossover into science fiction.
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  Speaker 8: You know, H.G. Wells.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, H.G. Wells is much further. Jules Verne.
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  Speaker 9: Isaac Asimov.
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  Speaker 5: Much further than the 1980s.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm just like, I didn't even... My brain was
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  Speaker 9: not processing what I was hearing. I was just like,
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  Speaker 9: I don't... What?
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  Speaker 5: People are kind of dumb, like a lot of them.
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  Speaker 9: But yeah, it didn't gain any popularity, and thus did
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  Speaker 9: not exist as a genre until the 1980s.
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  Speaker 10: Huh.
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  Speaker 5: I wonder what the first 1980s novel was that she
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  Speaker 5: thinks kicked it all off.
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  Speaker 9: Dude, I don't even know. Like E.T.
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  Speaker 5: Or something?
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  Speaker 9: I should have asked her.
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  Speaker 5: The movie novelization of E.T.
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  Speaker 9: God, I was sitting there, and I was looking at
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  Speaker 9: a book that had kittens.
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  Speaker 5: That does sound like you otherwise.
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  Speaker 9: I was looking at the book of kittens, so it
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  Speaker 9: was calming me a little bit. keeping me kind of
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  Speaker 9: like subdued so i didn't leap across the table and
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  Speaker 9: throw a puncher immediately but uh yeah it was just
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  Speaker 9: i don't even what okay go ahead sorry i totally
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  Speaker 9: interrupted like hijacked and derailed no.
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  Speaker 5: That was i mean that was mine i was just
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  Speaker 5: annoyed by people again this is the perfect example of
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  Speaker 5: all of these people like people that are kind of
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  Speaker 5: think that they're into this stuff but they're not really
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  Speaker 5: like they won't put any effort into like I like
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  Speaker 5: science fiction, but I'm not going to learn about the history.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going to wear this Godzilla shirt, but I don't
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  Speaker 5: really know who he is.
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  Speaker 9: Don't wear a shirt if you can't name a song
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  Speaker 9: by the.
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  Speaker 5: Band that's on it.
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. I'm like, if you're not actually
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  Speaker 5: into that thing, don't wear it. Just don't. Because some
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  Speaker 5: idiot like me is going to be like, oh, dude, Godzilla.
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  Speaker 5: What about that one where he fights? You'll be like, huh?
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  Speaker 8: What?
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  Speaker 3: What's a Godzilla?
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  Speaker 8: I'm like.
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  Speaker 3: It's just.
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  Speaker 5: Being fake nerds. Like for as many people as are actually,
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  Speaker 5: like it is amazing the amount of geekdom that has
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  Speaker 5: taken over pop culture now. It's totally different than back
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  Speaker 5: in the 80s when sci-fi was invented. It's totally different
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  Speaker 5: than back in those days. But there's still, there's almost
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  Speaker 5: a false level.
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  Speaker 9: I don't consider myself like a geek or anything.
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  Speaker 8: You're a geek.
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  Speaker 9: But I'm not like, I don't know things about stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Again, it's where you divide the line of like nerdy
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  Speaker 5: versus geek. You're definitely a geek. I wouldn't say you're
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  Speaker 5: a nerd. I don't even feel like I'm a nerd.
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  Speaker 5: That's smarter people. I'm pretty smart. Yeah, but I feel
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  Speaker 5: like you have to have a functional way to use
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  Speaker 5: your dorkiness to be a nerd. Nerds kind of grow
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  Speaker 5: up and get real jobs and make a lot of money.
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  Speaker 5: Geeks just sit with their stuff and reference their favorite
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  Speaker 5: stuff and or episode of the thing that they have
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  Speaker 5: the stuff that coordinates with. I feel like there's a
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  Speaker 5: breakdown there. The hierarchy of all of these things. Go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: No, I was just gonna say i did immediately identify
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  Speaker 9: the wrong quoted guns and roses on the wall that's.
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  Speaker 5: True so once again you are a geek and i.
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  Speaker 9: Did by the super deluxe edition of appetite for destruction
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  Speaker 9: that's being re-released.
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  Speaker 5: By leaps and bounds you're definitely a geek but whether
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  Speaker 5: or not you fall into nerd i don't i wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: think so but again i don't put myself in nerd
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  Speaker 5: territory i'm too dumb like i just I just accumulate
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  Speaker 5: a lot of things and I make references to things
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  Speaker 5: that I'm way too passionate about for no good reason.
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  Speaker 5: That's very geeky to me, but nerddom is a different thing.
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  Speaker 5: In my book, I've heard many people argue that. We
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  Speaker 5: haven't even gotten into dorks, so we'll just leave all
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  Speaker 5: this for future reference. Somewhere down the line we'll get
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  Speaker 5: to it. I did watch a movie recently, somewhat recently.
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  Speaker 5: It was actually the week it came out. I jumped
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  Speaker 5: on it, but that's been several weeks now, but um
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  Speaker 5: i did watch daphne and velma i.
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  Speaker 9: Remember seeing the trailer and it did look.
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  Speaker 5: Quite enjoying yeah i like this messaged you as soon
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  Speaker 5: as i saw it and went do you know this
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  Speaker 5: is a thing i.
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  Speaker 9: Think i saw something posted about it before like that
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  Speaker 9: it was going to exist but i don't think i
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  Speaker 9: like i hadn't seen the trailer at that point.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah i saw the trailer and i was just like
• 11:02
  Speaker 5: i should immediately like being again geek who likes scooby-doo
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  Speaker 5: i should be like no but was it in the
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  Speaker 5: theater no I think it just went straight to streaming
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  Speaker 5: and or DVD services or something it definitely hit DVD
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  Speaker 5: a couple weeks ago so yeah I just I think
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  Speaker 5: that was all they were shooting for like I think
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  Speaker 5: they didn't even go in with weird expectations like this
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  Speaker 5: is gonna be a blockbuster but they had a different
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  Speaker 5: plan that they were kind of shooting for and I
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  Speaker 5: think they nailed it like it's one of those like
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  Speaker 5: I just it's another one of those like if I
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  Speaker 5: as I've said on many previous episodes I'm trying not
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  Speaker 5: to be so like death grip on this is my
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  Speaker 5: Scooby-Doo don't change anything I'm like if you do something
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  Speaker 5: cool with it do it so.
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  Speaker 9: So there was no Scooby-Doo or Fred.
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  Speaker 5: It really is legitimately Daphne and Bella.
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  Speaker 9: That way they avoid the really bad CG Scooby-Doo that
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  Speaker 9: the other movies with Sarah Michelle could.
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  Speaker 5: Not avoid and there's not just a dog walking around
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  Speaker 5: which again I feel like they left the door open
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  Speaker 5: if they want to do something along those lines down
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  Speaker 5: the road they can but I'm I kind of, I
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  Speaker 5: sent them a tweet. I sent the people in the movie.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, no, this was fun. Please make more.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm kind of hoping they do turn it into
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  Speaker 5: a series. But the thing I think that works first
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  Speaker 5: and foremost, like I sat there with like the dopiest
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  Speaker 5: grin on my face the whole time because it's like
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  Speaker 5: super enjoyable. Here's the really weird thing. I watched a
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  Speaker 5: G rated movie. It's legitimately like it is safe for kids,
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  Speaker 5: but it doesn't feel like it's a dumb kids. Like
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  Speaker 5: it's not, overly aimed at, like, really little kids so
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  Speaker 5: that it feels stupid. Like, it's just a normal thing
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  Speaker 5: that isn't filled with horrible cursing, you know, because it's
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  Speaker 5: still kind of Scooby-Doo, so it wouldn't really seem right anyway.
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  Speaker 5: And it's once again veering away from.
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  Speaker 9: God fucking damn it, Scooby-Doo, what did you do now?
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  Speaker 5: Once again, it's not going down the road of the
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  Speaker 5: bad CG. No offense to James Gunn. Those are actually
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  Speaker 5: written way better than even I expected at the time.
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  Speaker 5: But they certainly.
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  Speaker 9: I totally forgot he did those.
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  Speaker 5: They certainly worked in the references of, well, certainly a
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  Speaker 5: lot of crossover drug sort of jokes, but not really.
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  Speaker 5: They'd set it up and then be like, ha ha,
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  Speaker 5: not really, we're not really. But they know their target audience.
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  Speaker 9: Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was never about kids getting stoned. We know.
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  Speaker 5: but um and even like weird they work in kind
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  Speaker 5: of some sexual references that like all of that stuff
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  Speaker 5: like they don't bother with they're just like it's it's
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  Speaker 5: it's just centered around like this weird mystery at the
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  Speaker 5: high school and like it really is like you see
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  Speaker 5: these two actually meet for the first time and like
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  Speaker 5: they had been like it's also odd because it's set
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  Speaker 5: now so like they knew each other via the internet
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  Speaker 5: they talked to each other on like video chat for
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  Speaker 5: like a long time and this is like the first
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  Speaker 5: time we see them like interacting in the real world
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  Speaker 5: and then there's this weird thing going on and it's
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  Speaker 5: really sad that like as it started even when I
• 13:49
  Speaker 5: saw that trailer that first time I was like all
• 13:52
  Speaker 5: these girls look familiar you know like the sad thing
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  Speaker 5: is it was live action kids show so of course
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  Speaker 5: I knew it's like oh it's the I didn't do
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: it in Descendants Girls no wonder I know who they
• 14:02
  Speaker 5: are I probably have problems but you do nobody's gonna
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  Speaker 5: argue with that aside from that like I think both
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: of them are perfect casting and like It does kind
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  Speaker 5: of put a different spin on Daphne than we've seen.
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  Speaker 5: And I like think that's kind of awesome, too, because
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  Speaker 5: it's just giving us a whole different version of this
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  Speaker 5: new reimagined history. But the thing that works like number one, again,
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  Speaker 5: my dorky grinning is because within the first few minutes
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  Speaker 5: of them being in the high school, there's like fog
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  Speaker 5: around their ankles on the floor and there's a weird
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: theremin noise in the back. I'm like, oh, my God.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, you got it. Like, you nailed it.
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  Speaker 5: This is why I like Scooby-Doo.
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  Speaker 9: Does she say Jinkies at any point?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And it's midway in and I hadn't really thought about it.
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  Speaker 5: And all of a sudden it comes out and I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: she said Jinkies.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, goosebumps.
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  Speaker 5: She said Jinkies.
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  Speaker 9: Do they wear outfits that are similar to their... This.
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  Speaker 5: Is the other thing that I think they did that's
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  Speaker 5: really cool. Because number one, it does work as a
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  Speaker 5: Scooby-Doo episode level of fun and creepy, but like, again,
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  Speaker 5: G-rated creepiness. But like, that's also the dorky old school
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  Speaker 5: kid than me that like still loves that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: So that stuff still kind of there and works and
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  Speaker 5: is fun in the way it needs to be. But
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  Speaker 5: it's also geared around these two girls and they aren't, again,
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  Speaker 5: they're not worried about boys in high school. They're not
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  Speaker 5: looking to see what Fred wants to do on this mission.
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  Speaker 5: Like it's about them and their friendship and they're both
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  Speaker 5: really smart and they're both like driven. Again, they don't
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  Speaker 5: play Daphne as the dumb one. She's actually kind of
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  Speaker 5: the more like driven and organized and focused one of
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  Speaker 5: the two and Velma is just sort of smart but
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: like kind of isn't as on board with this until
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: midway in so you do really see kind of Daphne
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: take the lead which is really cool and to me
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: it's just like such a nice smart representation of girls
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: for girls growing up because again it's G rated so
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: little girls can watch this and be like hey I
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: want to be like these two and not that it
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: totally throws out the fact that they're female because when
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: you get into like the fashion it is in like
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: they have nods to the old outfits, almost like an
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: actual version of each of their most noticeable, iconic outfits.
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: But then they kind of brought in this designer to
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: do like this modernized and sort of really cool take
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: on all their style. And I, again, I think it
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: works as both. If you're a girl who likes girly
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: things like clothes, like they do a modernized, really well
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: done version of what they wear every time. And then
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: they're also just smart girls and they aren't worried about
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: what boys are doing they're busy solving mysteries and they
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: don't you know it's like it's surprisingly well done for
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: something that seemed like again knee-jerk reaction should have been
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: like oh god don't do that but i'm glad they
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: did it i hope they do more i think it
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: was awesome thumbs up thumbs up and a dog paw
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: thumbs up from scoob who's not in this at all
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: we did see a dog downstairs earlier.
• 16:51
  Speaker 9: He might have been scooby-doo he was pretty big i
• 16:53
  Speaker 9: think it was a she oh she i thought scooby-doo
• 16:56
  Speaker 9: that's a scooby-doo.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: Oh, Scooby-Doo.
• 17:00
  Speaker 9: Scooby-Doo was white, though, wasn't she?
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Kind of like a light gray. Not the Scooby-Dum version
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: of gray. Or maybe it was a light brown. It's
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: been a while since I've seen Scooby-Doo. Now that I
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: think about it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 9: I thought Scooby-Doo was white.
• 17:12
  Speaker 8: Maybe.
• 17:13
  Speaker 9: Again, it's been a long time since I watched these.
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  Speaker 8: I know.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: Or I've seen those same ones. By the time they
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: started adding in the other Scooby-Dees and Dums.
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: What was the really obnoxious one that everybody hated?
• 17:23
  Speaker 8: Scrappy.
• 17:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. Luckily, I haven't seen any of
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: those episodes in a while. I still go back and
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: kind of watch the classic. Alright, there you go.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: To the Googles.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: She's white. So, dumb is gray, as I thought, but
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I was thinking she was just a lighter version, but no,
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: she's pretty white.
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: We've got the fan art going on.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, fan.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm sure there's some fan fiction that's attached to
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: that Scooby-Dee and Scooby-Doo fan art action.
• 17:48
  Speaker 9: Is it Rule 34?
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: What's Rule 34?
• 17:51
  Speaker 8: You've never heard of Rule 34?
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: Make sure I'm not making up rule 34 before I
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: reference it on the TV.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: Sometimes, not always, but a girl with a horse is
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: that number. I thought that was like rule 12 or something.
• 18:05
  Speaker 9: Rule 34. If it exists, there is porn of it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Okay. I've heard that. I didn't know it had a number.
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah. It's rule 34.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: All right. That's definitely true.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: No matter what.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: No matter what it is. No matter what weird thing.
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: Generally accepted internet rule that states that pornography or sexually
• 18:19
  Speaker 9: related material exists for any conceivable subject.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: At least fan fiction version, if not actual filmed version
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: at this point, which a lot of it is filmed. So, yeah.
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: Whether we want it to be or not.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Whether you wish you could take it out of your,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: wash it out of your eyes, you can't. There's no
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: escaping it. It is out there. So, have you seen anything?
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: I did. I watched a couple things and we'll only
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: address one of them right now. Which one should I
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: go for? One of the movies or like the extravaganza?
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: Well, you build an extravaganza. I guess we have to
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: go with that one.
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: Apparently, the new Lake Placid movie was coming on SyFy.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: The fact that there is a new... Have we learned anything?
• 19:04
  Speaker 9: No. I didn't actually make it to watch the actual
• 19:07
  Speaker 9: new one because I was too aggravated by the marathon
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: to get to the new movie because they were showing
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: all the movies. And if you're going to show a
• 19:15
  Speaker 9: marathon building up to the new movie, in what order
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: would you show these movies?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Numeric?
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: No, let's show them in the backwards order. Let's show
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: the fourth, third, second, first, fifth.
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: Like, unless it's a time loop thing that, like, it
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: picks up where the first one leaves off or something.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: Some sort of weird crossover event. Like a Final Destination
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: marathon or something.
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: No, it was not like that. This was just a clusterfuck.
• 19:44
  Speaker 9: Which I will watch it. Because, again, they're on the sci-fi.
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: And for the most part, except for the first one,
• 19:48
  Speaker 9: I think most of them are sci-fi original.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah i mean the first one was a legit in
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: the theater movie.
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: Because it had like bill pullman or betty white in
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: there yeah she was the crazy old lady who was
• 19:57
  Speaker 9: feeding the alligators she was later replaced by what's that
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: fucking lady's name she dances she knows chloroflora chlorin leachman.
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: Chloris leachman there we go all right yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 9: She was on dancing with the stars she's pretty cool
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: yeah so she replaced her but it's like the second
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: one had like um pretty sure the second one had
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: john schneider.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: Ah well nice who i fucking adore the show previous
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: guest john schneider.
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: The third love of your life oh dude i'm serious
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: he's on my love him The third one had, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: think his name's Colin Ferguson, most known for trying to
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: sell you, like, appliances on the TVs.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: All right. Interesting choice.
• 20:39
  Speaker 9: He's on, like, Eureka.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: He's the Maytag repairman.
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: Isn't he, like, the Maytag guy?
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Maytag repairman.
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: And that's the third one you get into, Yancey Butler.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, yeah. You're definitely knee deep and straight to video.
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: She's in, like, three of them, I think. But then the...
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: My favorite of these films would be the.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: The Placid series.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, of the Placid. The Lake Placid versus... Okay, I'm
• 21:09
  Speaker 9: going to get it wrong because I can't remember if
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: it's just Anaconda or Piranaconda. I'm pretty sure it's just
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: Anaconda at this point. Because it's the one that has
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: Corin Nemec in it. And we all know of my
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: love and affection for Corin Nemec.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: He's no John Schneider.
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: He is not, but he will forever hold a place
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: in my heart. Because you know what? Parker Lewis, he
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: really can't lose.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: So.
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: I love Corin Nemec.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Bo Duke really can't lose.
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he can't.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: He's got a bitchin' car. He looks like that. You know,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: come on.
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: He still looks really good. Like, seriously, really good. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: the Corin Nemec one is my favorite of the series
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: that I've watched. Because I did not get to watch
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: the newest one. Because it came on at the same
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: time Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy came on. And I
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: was like, wait a minute, I have priorities.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: What a life you lead.
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: I kick ass at Jeopardy, thank you very much.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: I'm sure.
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: But so yeah, I literally watched this. It was Memorial
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: Day weekend. Or Memorial Day itself. doesn't make any sense
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: because i would have had to work memorial day maybe
• 22:09
  Speaker 9: it was the sunday it was the.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Sunday sunday fun day marathon.
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: Which still wouldn't make any sense none of this.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: Makes any sense they made multiple lake placid movies how
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: does any of those make sense.
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: I don't know but there are some great movies aren't
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: they yeah the cg gators crocodiles whatever they want to
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: call them in this and i.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Mean i guess they should be gators if they're like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: natural to this area, I think. But again, this is
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: a pretty far-fetched movie, so maybe they imported them.
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure at some point they referred to them
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: as crocodiles.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: They may have imported them, I don't know.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: It was, yeah, it was just a mess. And I
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: was just like, I hate most of the people in there,
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: and my main thing is just like, who do I.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: Hate the most?
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: Which one do I want to die first? All right,
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: let's go. Let's put our money on that one.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: That's your game in most movies.
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: It truly is. So yeah, that was a big part
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: of whatever day that I spent watching that. It couldn't
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: have been on a Sunday, because Will of Fortune came on, so.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. Even I know that schedule.
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: I mean, seriously, they come on Saturdays, but.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: All right, so your takeaway is go watch a lot
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: of really bad CG Crocogator movies.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: Preferably the one with Corin Nemec and or John Schneider.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: I'm leaning towards Betty White, but whatever. We all do
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: what we need to do.
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: I said either Bill Pullman or Bull Paxton. Bill Paxton
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: or Bill Pullman. One of those people wore it, and
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: I'm pretty sure it was Pullman.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I don't even understand that thing, but whatever.
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: I don't either.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: That never made sense to me. They're very different.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Actors, but.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: But their names are similar.
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: Their names are similar. They have Bill. There's a P.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: I get that part, but I'm like, as actors, I'm like,
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: they're worlds apart.
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: And one of them's not working near as much as
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: these two.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: You think that would settle the thing, right?
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: I know. You'd think... You know, like, Pullman would be like,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: I win!
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: Finally! Take that, Paxton!
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: Did we ever figure out what officially the cause for
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: his death is?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: You don't want to know.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: We all just moved on with our lives. I think
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: with that, we should take our break, go check in
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: with this week's guest, and come back here and round
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: out another fun day at Wonderfest.
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: Awesome song.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Then it came across the ocean It was hard to understand.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: The awful news.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And I don't know why I still remember. This is
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: just the late last news.
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: Popcorn, freshly popped and buttered.
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: Mm-hmm.
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: Look good? Sure, it looks good, and it tastes even better.
• 24:53
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• 24:54
  Speaker 5: Woke up this morning, feeling low.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: Where my loved one used to live, she ain't there
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: no more.
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: Poor me. Why such bad luck fall on me? Poor me.
• 25:16
  Speaker 5: I'm living in memory.
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  Speaker 6: On May 19th, 1976, motion picture history will be made.
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  Speaker 5: So this week I'm proud to welcome back on the
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• 30:41
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  Speaker 5: I think Scarefest was the last time we crossed over.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's why. But we kind of had
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: a good sit down and we had some good stuff.
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: So I was just like, next time we cross over,
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: we should probably try to do something else. So yeah,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: I thought it would be kind of cool to do
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: a movie discussion. But I guess before that, I usually
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: ask people, like, you know, have you seen anything lately?
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: And I know beforehand you'd mentioned, you said you'd seen
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: Shape of Water.
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: Oh, I love Shape of Water. And do you recall
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: what the actress's name was that....
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I know just because I know she's in... She's British.
• 32:10
  Speaker 8: I know that. And I thought she was absolutely remarkable.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: I think she's in Blue Jasmine, isn't she? I think
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: she's the sister.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: And she should have won the Oscar. As far as
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: I'm concerned, she should have won the Oscar.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's an amazing performance anyway, but the fact
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: that it's wordless is like amazing.
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was just... I just found it to be
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: a remarkable film. Cinematically, it was gorgeous. And it captured
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: all of the, you know, it's a kind of adaptation
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: and love story of the creature from the Black Lagoon
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: and the Cold War of the 60s, 50s and 60s.
• 33:05
  Speaker 8: And it was just stylistically beautiful. and well told, very intelligent,
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: very clear in its storytelling. And I just thought having
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: the love story like that was, I just, you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: it made me cry. I just thought it was beautiful.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: I feel like Del Toro is an amazing director anyway,
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: but this is like him for his entire career led
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: to this. It's so many levels.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. I agree 100%. I do, I do.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: So many different things that he's always touched on, but
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: it all kind of hit in this one movie.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I came down here to keep a promise. I gave K.O.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: my word that if he stood up to the mob,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I'd stand up with him. All the way. And now K.O.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Dugan is dead.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: He was one of those fellas who had the gift
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: was standing up, but this time they fixed him. Oh,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: they fixed him for good this time. Unless it was
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: an accident, like Big Mac says. Some people think the
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: crucifixion only took place on Calvary.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: They better wise up.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Taking Joey Doyle's life to stop him from testifying is
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a crucifixion.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: And dropping a sling on K.O.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Dugan because he was ready to spill his guts tomorrow,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: that's a crucifixion.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And every time the mob puts.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: The crusher on a good man, tries to stop him
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: from doing his duty as a citizen, it's a crucifixion.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And anybody who sits around and lets it happen, keeps
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: silent about something he knows has happened, shares the guilt
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: of it just as much as the Roman soldier who
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: pierced the flesh of our Lord to see if he
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: was dead.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Come back to your church, Father! Boys, this is my church!
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: And if you don't think Christ is down here on
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the waterfront, you've got another guest coming.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Get off the dock, Father!
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Cleo, don't do that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Who said you were a boy? Let him finish.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Every morning, when the hiring boss blows his whistle, Jesus
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: stands alongside you in the shape up. He sees why
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: some of you get picked and some of you get
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: passed over. He sees the family men worried about getting
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: their rent. and getting food in the house for the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: wife and the kids. He sees you selling your souls
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to the mob for a day's pay. The next bum
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: to throw something deals with me.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't care if he's twice my size.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Now, what does Christ think of the easy money boys
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: who do none of the work and take all of
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: the gravy? And how does he feel about the fellas
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: who wear $ 150 suits and diamond rings on you union
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: dudes and your kickback money? And how does he who
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: spoke up without fear against every evil, feel about your silence.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: You want to know what's wrong with our waterfront? It's
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the love of a lousy buck. It's making love of
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: a buck, the cushy job, more important than the love
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of man. It's forgetting that every fellow down here is
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: your brother in Christ. But remember, Christ is always with you.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Christ is in the shape of, he's in the hatch,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: he's in the unit, he's kneeling right here beside Dugan.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: And he's staying with all of you. If you do
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: it to the least of mine, you do it to me.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: And what they did to Joey and what they did
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to Dugan, they're doing to you.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: And you, you, all of you.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: And only you, only you with God's help have the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: power to knock them.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Out for good.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: This week's Swiffer Theater feature is On the Waterfront. The director,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: and I will ask you, how's your pronunciation on this?
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: Because I've heard it so many different ways. You say Ili?
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Because I've heard Ilya, and half of it was like,
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: I was going back on old Oscar clips, and it's like.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: I think it's Ilya. I think that's his name.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: I think that was what Brando was calling him. I
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: think Brando said Ilya.
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: Ilya Kazan, yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: The director is Ilya Kazan. The year is 1954.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: As a matter of fact, for his stand during the
• 37:50
  Speaker 8: HUAC controversy and trials. very much so yeah very much so.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: So much so again watching that just to see the
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: pronunciation then it goes to the clip of him getting
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: his lifetime achievement award and half of the audience sits
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: and doesn't.
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: Clap right right well there's some still scars from the
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: blacklisting that took place during that time um and um
• 38:18
  Speaker 8: you know i'm sure he must have had his reasons
• 38:23
  Speaker 8: um but um he kind of hurt a lot of
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: his friends during that time. I think ultimately he's been forgiven.
• 38:34
  Speaker 8: I hope. Depending on who you talk to. I guess
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: depending upon who you talk to. But his work is
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: remarkable as a director and on the waterfront has been
• 38:48
  Speaker 8: one of my all-time favorites for years and years and
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: years for a lot of reasons. The fact that it's
• 38:56
  Speaker 8: working class people, I appreciate that. I come from a
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: working class background myself. Of course, a different kind of
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: working class, but working class nonetheless. You know, my family,
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: my father was in the, he worked in the steel
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: mills in Pittsburgh. And so he worked in the open
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: hearth his whole life, very physical, very hot, very So
• 39:23
  Speaker 8: I had a kind of an appreciation for those two
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: worlds of art. of people surviving, but struggling all the same,
• 39:38
  Speaker 8: you know, and so I could identify with that. Also,
• 39:44
  Speaker 8: I'm a big fan of the gangster films. You know.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: This doesn't seem like it is until you get about
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: halfway in, and then you realize it is sort of
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: almost a film noir in its own weird way.
• 39:55
  Speaker 8: Absolutely, it is. And shot in black and white.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:00
  Speaker 8: And with... Oh, what's the nemesis? What's his name? I
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: had most of them here.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: James Westerfield?
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: Nope, nope. Let me see your name.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I've got.
• 40:15
  Speaker 8: Lee Jacob.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: There we go.
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: There we go. Lee Jacob, another tremendous actor. Poor Lee
• 40:23
  Speaker 8: Jacob always played guys that were much older than he
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: actually was. He played... He did Willie Loman from... Why
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: are these names not coming to me? It's because my
• 40:42
  Speaker 8: age is showing.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: But.
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: Death of a salesman he played willie loman and i
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: think he was like in his 30s or at the
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: very latest in his 40s when he was playing you
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: know 50 60 year old.
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: Guys even in this one i it does seem a
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: little weird like it did take me a minute to
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: go oh he is the boss like i still feel
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: like he's working for the boss but he is the.
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: He's the boss he's the boss for sure It's not
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: his brother Charlie. It was not Brando's brother Charlie. Another
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: terrific actor. That's one of the things about the movie.
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: It's just peppered with really terrific actors.
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: That's one of the... I guess we should throw out
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: the spoiler. If you haven't seen this film, go watch it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: You need to anyway.
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. Just so I can remind myself.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: Leif Erikson.
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: Carl Malden. My goodness. Carl Malden. Another, you know, tremendous, tremendous...
• 41:50
  Speaker 8: Rod Steiger.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: Rod Steiger. His brother. Amazing.
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: Absolutely amazing. Leif Erikson. Let's see. Brando, of course.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:03
  Speaker 8: The... I mean, these guys are important, very, very important.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: Bud Schulberg, who wrote the thing, tremendous writer, went on
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: to do a lot of TV. So we're talking about
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: people that kind of were at the beginning of what became,
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, they were at the beginning of stardom in
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: many cases.
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: And at the beginning of their careers, making wonderful, wonderful films.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, that's one of the reasons
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: I was going to, as we were deciding something, I
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: kind of wanted to specifically go with this one with you,
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: is you've also, you yourself, have been in many movies,
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: but have spent more time teaching acting and doing stage
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: work over the years.
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, most of my life I've been in the theater,
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: in fact. All of my life I've been in the
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: theater primarily, yeah, and have done some really wonderful plays.
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: And I've had the opportunity to play some terrific characters,
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: you know, as well as direct. Directing is really the
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: thing that I, you know, towards the end of my
• 43:28
  Speaker 8: acting time, which I stopped about five years ago, directing
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: really became my main focus.
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: And that that's again especially going back and re-watching this
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: that's the thing that I started to see again almost
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: out of context with the story looking at it more
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: from that historical perspective it is like a turning point
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: for like acting in general like maybe I mean certainly
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: that time and that group but maybe this movie.
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: Right, right. Well, a lot of those folks came out
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: of what then became the Actor's Studio, which I'm not
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: sure I've ever bought into as a process in terms
• 44:13
  Speaker 8: of what they're selling. However, the group theater that started
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: in the 30s, you know, was really one of the, uh,
• 44:26
  Speaker 8: where a lot of, um, American realism actually kind of became, uh, the,
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: the path, uh, for a lot of actors. Um, and so, uh,
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: you know, Brando certainly leading the crowd in that regard and, um, So,
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: and Karl Malden. I mean, all these guys that are
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: in this are of that era, you know, when American
• 45:00
  Speaker 8: realism was really kind of taking hold. Brought over from
• 45:05
  Speaker 8: Russia with ideas from Stanislavski. My only complaint about what
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: places like the Actors' Theatre did did, or the actors'
• 45:19
  Speaker 8: studio did, was I think they bastardized Stanislavski. They kind
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: of utilized one train of thought, one idea that he had,
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: and then tried to expand that to be the entire
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: form and the entire process by which actors were training.
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: Which is not quite correct, you know. They kind of
• 45:53
  Speaker 8: pushed this one idea of emotional memory and becoming and
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: feeling and they left out, well, how about we act
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: as opposed to, how about we remember this as pretend
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: and play the circumstances and and play the purposefulness of
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: those circumstances rather than the actor having, you know, actors
• 46:20
  Speaker 8: don't have to feel exactly what they're playing. It's okay.
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: It's okay to pretend.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Well, and that became that difference, is that's also that
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: time of the Stella Adler method style. So that's what
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: I was going to see, like what your take is
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: on that. Like your whole life becomes a performance.
• 46:42
  Speaker 8: And that's my take, is that I never understood what
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: method acting was supposed to mean. But I mean, what
• 46:52
  Speaker 8: I determined for myself is that it's following this idea
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: that that from your own experience you can bring back
• 47:03
  Speaker 8: and utilize a memory that may have been similar to
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: something you have to play. And I think that's okay.
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: What's not okay is thinking that the actor has to
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: feel those emotions. What that emotional memory is really about
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: is utilizing your own experience and bringing that experience back
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: as a secondary emotion, meaning I control this. I control this.
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: It's not about me feeling it. It's about what did
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: it sound like? What did it look like? How can
• 47:46
  Speaker 8: I recreate this as a secondary emotion, meaning I control everything.
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: And if we're talking about primary emotion is what we
• 47:57
  Speaker 8: live in, you know, if I slapped you on the wrist,
• 48:03
  Speaker 8: you would feel that and it would be a shock, right?
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: That's a primary emotion. But I can slap you on
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: the wrist if that's important and have you shocked. And
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: it can be a recreation of a primary emotion. And
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: that's the difference.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: I feel like it is that, like, using, like, there are,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: you know, that is certainly an acting technique, as you
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: know more than me, but, like, using something within your
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: own life, like drawing from your personal memories to recreate something.
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: That's right. To recreate it.
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: As opposed to, like, living in a character that you are,
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: you know, when you're not on screen, when you're not
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: on stage.
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: Trust me. Even when you hear about actors that walk around,
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: Daniel Day-Lewis.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: Jared Leto.
• 48:59
  Speaker 8: Jared Leto walking around in character and wanting to be.
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: Here's the deal about them. They know that they're acting.
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: They know they are not actually the character. All they're
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: doing is a way to prepare to play the character.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: And usually annoying their co-star.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: Well, that very well may be. But they do know
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: that they're acting. They do know that they're not actually
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: feeling these things. They are presenting what the character needs
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: to express as feelings. And so I forgive all of
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: those guys. Because I know that that's what they're doing.
• 49:43
  Speaker 8: The people that don't know that that's what they are
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: doing are the people that don't know anything about how
• 49:50
  Speaker 8: to act or how to approach or how to prepare
• 49:54
  Speaker 8: to act.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: It's just such a different take.
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: Well, that's what I mean by bastardization. Method acting is
• 50:04
  Speaker 8: not what the general populace understand. That it's not this
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: living as and feeling everything. It's about how do I
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: approach this? How can I best recreate what needs to
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: be created, either on film or on stage?
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: It just becomes, and even hearing stories about the production
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: of this movie, it becomes such a weird little game.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: that not only are the actors playing, but even our
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: director would bring in, when they weren't shooting, he would
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: bring in other younger actors from the actor's studio and
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: have them play Brando's part in front of Brando because
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: they know he's just super competitive. So it's going to
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: piss him off and just dial it up and be like, okay,
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: this next time, I'm really going to show this.
• 50:58
  Speaker 8: Oh, see that? I didn't know any of that.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: See?
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: I don't like that either. When even the director is
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: sort of toying with everyone, it's like it all becomes
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: such a weird little game that everyone is kind of
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: running their own game from their own corner. Luckily, it
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: all works in this one.
• 51:15
  Speaker 8: You know what I think? I think what made Brando
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: brilliant is that I don't think he believed in any
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: of that crap. I think Brando knew he was acting.
• 51:29
  Speaker 8: I think Brando understood that he takes his time. He
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: speaks the truth as best he can speak it, you know,
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: and does the work. And there may be a part,
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: there probably was a big part of him that was
• 51:50
  Speaker 8: probably a little embarrassed about acting. And, you know, he
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: did it as simply and as easily as he possibly could. Now,
• 52:03
  Speaker 8: maybe that made him a little bit lazy. I don't know.
• 52:06
  Speaker 8: But it gave for tremendous performances.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: And in particular, this one. Like, this is also kind
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: of a turning point in his career. Because you look
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: at The Wild One and, like, He's not really stretching,
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: but this is like a new level of vulnerability that
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: you didn't see from guys at that point.
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: It reminded me, I'd heard a performance of it years ago.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: It's the Kerouac thing where he went through, he called
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: it America's new trinity of love. And it was James Dean,
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: Marlon Brando, and Elvis Presley. And it was like that
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: era when all of a sudden it was okay for
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: guys to have feelings, to be compassionate, to be vulnerable.
• 52:53
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. I agree. It's a wonderful era. I mean, there's
• 52:58
  Speaker 8: some terrific actors that came out of the 30s and
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: 40s and the 50s that have gone on to have wonderful,
• 53:09
  Speaker 8: wonderful careers. uh clifton uh um i was almost gonna
• 53:15
  Speaker 8: say clifton webb that's not who i meant uh gunnery
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: cliff montgomery cliff thank you so much there we are
• 53:22
  Speaker 8: that's why you're here that's why you're here brian.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: Well i feel like but there's it is like a
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: turning point in in acting in general because you look
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: at you know plenty of performances from john wayne and
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: you're not going to get that but it's it's almost
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: like it wasn't allowed even even something like like uh
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: like Rhett Butler, you know, you're not getting any vulnerability
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: out of his character.
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: No, no, no.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: So we get to this era.
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: I agree. And I'm happy it took place, you know,
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: because I think one of the most difficult things for
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: any of us, whether we're actors or people going to
• 54:01
  Speaker 8: our jobs, you know, in an office.
• 54:08
  Speaker 8: Is a kind of honesty and a vulnerability. In other words,
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: being touched by something that happens to you. And not
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: worrying about this kind of masculine image. It allowed men
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: and women.
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: Um to actually feel something yeah you.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Know and i think that you could not see a
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: performance like this even 10 years earlier like the the
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: world wasn't prepared like it was just this slow transition
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: and it kind of all hits in this like watershed film.
• 54:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah yeah right i agree yeah i agree.
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: And like it It is just kind of interesting because
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: everything starts to change. You do see this, like, what's
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: coming from Brando. He's always kind of, you know, that
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: same delivery. He's very sort of soft-spoken. They make fun
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: of him for kind of mumbling. But in general, I
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: think it also, like, there's so much of him as
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: a character in this film that's, At first, I'll say
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: he is vulnerable, but there's also a weird, sad stunted
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: to who he is.
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely. Well, you know, he was characterized as a loser.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: And he bought into it. You know?
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: His brother, the person that loves him the most, got
• 55:50
  Speaker 11: him to.
• 55:52
  Speaker 8: Tank a fight and and he he did and he
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: felt awful about it from the moment it took place
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: and never recovered never recovered and became and became less
• 56:10
  Speaker 8: than and lived that kind of less less than existence
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: from that point on and he didn't stand up for
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: himself And he knew he could have beat this other guy.
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: But because his brother talked him into it for a bet,
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: to win a bet, and keep food on the table,
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: you're going to lose this fight.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: I remember all that stuff. I remember then it does
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: play a little more like a film noir. But this time,
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: re-watching it, it's so much... like a weird psychological thing
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: that's going on because he does seem like from that
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: point on, it's almost like an arrested development. Like from
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: that point, he at least stops progressing as an adult
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: and almost kind of regresses to a child.
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: Yes, absolutely, absolutely. Well, he's now in the hands of
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: the mob or in the hands of, in this case,
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: The mob union that runs the docks. And that's his
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: whole existence. That's what he has to do. He's taking handouts.
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: But even then, he doesn't seem invested in that.
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: No, he's not. He's not invested in it.
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: He really seems like a kid. Yeah.
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: He is a kid.
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: It's like, even though... The only time he.
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: Grows up is when he meets... Yeah. What's her name,
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: Eve Saint?
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: What's the character? It's pretty sad. Again, I had half
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: of them and lost. That one didn't end up. Again,
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: IMD puts them in the wrong. It's Eve Saint Marie.
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: Is it Eve Marie Saint?
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Eve Marie Saint.
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: I think so.
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, let's... Academy Award winner.
• 58:05
  Speaker 8: And those of you out there, if I'm wrong, please
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: forgive me. But she was a beautiful actress, a wonderful actress.
• 58:13
  Speaker 8: And when he meets her, he then starts to grow
• 58:19
  Speaker 8: up again.
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: Starts to. Because that's the thing. Watching it this time,
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: as he first comes in contact with her, This time around. Again,
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: he remembers her. But this time, he's still teasing her.
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: That little game is like he is an 11-year-old. He
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: is toying with her like a little spoiled boy.
• 58:37
  Speaker 8: But I think, too, what he's doing is he's falling
• 58:41
  Speaker 8: in love. He's falling in love. And he knew her
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: brother was killed.
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: And that was kind of.
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: He was the catalyst for this whole movie.
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: He's not responsible, but he's certainly involved.
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: And he doesn't understand that at the beginning. He doesn't
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: quite fully get it at the beginning.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: Again, almost being... like some of it you can see
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: he's sort of like naive but he's also like he
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: knows the line that they're in but yet he almost
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: doesn't want to it's part of that not wanting to
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: deal with growing up like I didn't know anything about
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: it I don't know like he shirks off all this
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: adult responsibility and violence and danger that comes with his
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: life but.
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: What happens is it makes him start to think about
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: him and ultimately when he does fall in love with
• 59:31
  Speaker 8: her in a more mature manner and she responds to
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: that I mean the conflict is still there because he's
• 59:42
  Speaker 8: with the mob and she's on the side of her
• 59:46
  Speaker 8: father and her brother who are all being subjected to
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: their suffering by Lee Jacob and his crew you know
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 8: And so it's a difficult position, which is why I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: think ultimately when he has the conversation with Charlie in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 8: the car, he fully comes back. He fully realizes his
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: responsibility and where his responsibility lies. and comes to the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 8: point where oh shit I get it I see who's
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: in the wrong here.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: And it may have been like it may be reliving
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: that moment when it happened because that was the turning
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: point in his life so it's not real he's like
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: put that so far behind him and like lives again
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: he like He doesn't really have a real job. He
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: sits around reading magazines. At the most, he goes and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 5: does weird stuff for the mob.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 8: He's an enforcer for the mob.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: Most of his day is like if any 12-year-old had
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: his day to do what he wanted, he'd just sit
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 5: there and read magazines.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: Takes care of his pigeons.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: And hangs out with other little kids up on the rooftop,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: playing with the pigeons.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 8: And he's put in this position where he goes from hero.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 8: You know, especially by the kids in the neighborhood. He
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: goes from hero suddenly to devil.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: A traitor, basically.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. And he comes to grips with that. And
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 8: which is the, that leads us to his finally standing
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: up as a man and for himself and for the person,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 8: the woman that he loves. And taking charge and taking responsibility,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: you know. And, you know, of course he's had some
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: other help, too. He had some help from Carl Malden.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Or Trouble.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: Well, he.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: He seems like such a troublemaker. He wants to put
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: everyone else in danger. He's always doing it for the
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: right reasons, but, like, sometimes it's like he doesn't acknowledge
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: how much danger he's putting everyone else in by his action. Yeah,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: his character, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, maybe. Well, but he's trying to fight the
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 8: good fight.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: He is, and he does, but it's at such a cost.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 8: His only way of being able to do it, really,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 8: is finding somebody that will stand up and fight, and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: actually fight. I mean, it's nitty-gritty stuff, you know what
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 8: I mean? It's street justice.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: By the end, definitely. Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: And that's the kind of priest he is, too. You know,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: street justice.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: That again seemed like a weird, like a turn we
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: wouldn't have seen before. The fact that you've got this,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: he's in a bar ordering beers and he's smoking cigarettes
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: and he's punching a guy.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely. Well, it's, you know, I think there are those... Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: I think there are pious people out there that are
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: rough and tough and tumbled.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, I remember going to school and there was
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: a priest there and like he... didn't like again when
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: it was just behind closed doors and he was one-on-one
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: with his students he had no problem using curse words
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: like he would talk about sex if the kids needed
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: which not that he was really a authority to go
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: to but like it was funny like how regular he
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: would be and i remember that was one of the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 5: first times i was like oh okay you you can
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: you you obviously exist as a real human being well.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 8: And that's what i love about that's kind of too
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: what I love about the movie is that it represents
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: humanity and from all points of view you know the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 8: working class the the the mafioso the guy that's stealing
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: and conniving the guy that had a chance and didn't
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: quite make it the you know all of it is
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 8: there you know So I think that's what good movies
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 8: are about. They're about us.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 9: I'd better go now.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 8: You don't have to be afraid of me. I'm not
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: going to bite you.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 12: I guess they don't let you walk with fellas where
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 12: you've been, huh?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: You know how the sisters are.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 8: Are you training to be a nun?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: It's just a regular college. What is it?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: It's run by the sisters of St.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 7: Anne.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Where is that?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 9: It's in Tarrytown.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Where is that?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: The country.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: I don't like the country.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 12: The crickets make me nervous.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: So how often do you get in here?
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I haven't been here since last Christmas.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: We were going to have a Thanksgiving party. That's nice.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: What do you do up there?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: What, study?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 12: I want to be a teacher.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: A teacher?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 12: That's very good, you know. I personally, I admire brains.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 12: My brother Charlie is a very brainy guy. He had
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 12: a couple of years of college.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: It isn't just brains.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: It's how you use them.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I get your thought. You know, I've seen you
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 12: a lot of times before. Remember parochial school on Poluski Street? Seven,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 12: eight years ago, you had your hair.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: Brains. You looked like a hunk of rope.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 12: You had wires on your teeth and.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 8: Glasses and everything.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: You was really a mess.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: I can get home all right now, thanks.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: No, don't get sore.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: I'm just kidding you a little bit.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 12: I just mean to tell you that you.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: Grew up very nice. Thanks.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 5: You don't remember me.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Do you?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: Remember you the first moment I saw you?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 8: Why the nose, huh?
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 12: Well, some people just got faces that stick in your mind.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: Remember, you were in trouble all the time.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 8: Now you got me. Boy, the way those sisters used.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 12: To whack me, I don't know what. They thought they
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 12: was gonna beat an education enemy, but I fucked them.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 9: Maybe they just didn't know how to handle you.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: How would you have done it?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 9: With a little more patience and kindness. That's what makes
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 9: people mean and difficult. People don't care enough about them.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: And that's, again, that's what works so well with Brando
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: here is whatever weird steps he took. Like there's specifically
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: that like walking with her. Like, that whole scene of
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: them just kind of walking along together, and it's essentially
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: them falling in love. Like, that whole rundown there is
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: you see him starting to be a real grown-up, and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: you see him starting to connect with someone, which you
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: never really feel like he does at all before that. So, yeah,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: that's a pretty great performance. And it's funny because I.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: I think it's a tremendous performance. Oh, yeah. I think
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: it's one of his absolute best performances ever.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: It's funny, I just, in the last couple years, re-watched
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: Rocky and then recently Creed, and it's funny how reminiscent that,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: in the first Rocky, it's that same, and again, a fighter,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: and he's walking this girl home, and I guess Stallone
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: had to be paying homage, essentially, because it's so lifted.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: I can't imagine that it wasn't.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: Again, there's good people to steal from.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: For sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. Whatever you think about Brando, and
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: his eccentricities. The guy could do a scene. The guy
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: could go one-on-one with just about anybody.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: And annoy.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 8: That's what they say. I always try to not pay
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 8: attention to what the public may say about someone.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: I was just going by, because we're thinking probably of
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: the big scene in the back of the car. And
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 5: then I've heard issues with that in the past and
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: doing stuff for this. It's like supposedly Rothschild was like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: he had Brando got in this thing where, of course,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: at that point, it was also, I guess, suddenly cool
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: to be in touch with your feelings and go see
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: your psychoanalyst. So Brando had to be off by five
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: o'clock every day to go to a psychoanalyst.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: Such is life. if you hire if you hire somebody
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 8: that you know will come through and do the job
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 8: you accept you accept what they need in order to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: do the job and you know rather than fight about
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 8: it let them have it you know what I mean.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: But yeah, supposedly Steiger was always bitter because Brando left
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: before they would do, like, his close-ups are to a
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: stand-in reading those lines because Brando would not stick around
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: to do the scene with him. Which, again, like, as
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: an actor, does that rub you the wrong way?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: It may be a little selfish, but, you know, of course,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 8: I'm no Brando, so I would be right there, probably,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 8: helping and working with the.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: I don't think Brando could do Martin. I'm just saying.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: Martin's an amazing performer.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 8: Well, we're two different types.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Definitely a different take on it.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we're different types. Martin works because it was me.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: On the waterfront works because it was Brando. You know
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: what I mean?
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: It's pretty close to home for him.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and so that's what you're looking for. You're looking
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: for actors that you know can do the job. So
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: if they come with some eccentricities, if they come with
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 8: some things, then you accommodate. You accommodate. Rod Steiger might
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 8: not have liked it, but maybe Elia Kazan didn't give
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: a shit.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: Didn't seem to. They still stuck together.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: That's what I mean. That's what I mean, you know.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: They were pretty tight, so it seemed, even all the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: way through the rest of their lives.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: You know, poor Brando was, you know, he had been...
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 8: Everybody was upset with him in Apocalypse Now. Everybody was
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 8: upset with him for... The producers didn't want to hire
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 8: him for The Godfather. And yet, you know, his time
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: on screen... regardless of how difficult it may have been
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 8: for those that were working.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: With him, it comes.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 8: Together, and it's remarkable. So we have to cool down
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: a little bit about it. It doesn't matter what your
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: process is. It matters about how you get to the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 8: finished product.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, I always kind of have... Almost have to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: do that as time's gone on, is separate the art
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: from the artist. And, like, the final result, especially in
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: something like film, where you have a finished, polished thing,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: is it.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 8: The final result is what's the most important. And hopefully
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: that final result is something... that the director and the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: writer and the people involved had envisioned. So how it
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 8: comes together, not that important, in spite of maybe sometimes
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: it being a pain in the ass. And now there
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: are times when it can be a pain in the ass,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: and the result is absolute awful. It's terrible. And, you know,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: like maybe Brando in The Island of Dr. Moreau.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: That was going to be my other go-to. I've heard
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: a number of horror stories. Like he was actively like
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: fighting against that movie.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And obviously, you know, the poor director, I mean.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: One of several.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: One of several. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it turned out
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 8: to be an awful fucking movie.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: But almost so memorable in how weird and awful it was.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: Yes, it was.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: That Brando portrayal is still one people will reference because
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: it's so memorable and weird.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: Maybe at two at that point in his life, he
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: was maybe fed up with the whole process.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: It seemed like it.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 8: With the whole business of how films are made and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 8: brought together.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: On the other side of the coin, Carl Malden, outside of... Again,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: in this movie, he frustrates me. Outside of that, seemed
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: like one of the greatest people ever.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: Oh, very nice. Yeah, I would have loved to have
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 8: known him. He seems like a terrific guy. Now, you know,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: he has a brother who works continuously. I don't know
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: if he's still around, but he was... He worked continuously
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 8: and never got kind of the recognition that Carl did,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 8: but maybe there's a reason for that.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: Future president of the academy. There you go.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 8: That's it. There you go.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: That's how you work it.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: There you go. Lee Jacob. I loved him through his
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 8: entire career. Loved his work. Now, do I know a
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 8: lot about how Lee Jacob worked? I don't. And you
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: know what? I don't care.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: That is the one moment, though, towards the end there
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: when I'm like, once they get into the fist fight,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: I'm like, Brando was a fighter. He should have been.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: That went on way longer than it probably should have.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: But again, we need Brando to get beat up. So
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: I understand story-wise, but I'm like, a guy who's less
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: than 10 years from the ring.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the story is when he was doing the Tennessee
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 8: Williams play on Broadway.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: He would go down into the basement and he'd be boxing. Ultimately,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 8: that's how he got his nose broke, which gave him
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 8: a lot of character, I thought.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Even he references it in the movie.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: And probably made him a better Stanley Kowalski. Now, there's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: no forgiving Stanley Kowalski, a brute and a rapist.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: But the performance, especially the... I mean, I would have
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: loved to have seen Brando on stage. Never had that opportunity.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 8: I'm not that old. But, you know, in the film,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: I mean, just a brute. And a wonderful brute.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: Again, that's another one of those from that era. Like,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: everything's coming in that change in the American... culture basically
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: but also acting and film style.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: Right and great writers uh tennessee williams uh um stuff
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: that comes from that came from um oh god my
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: brain it stops every every 15 seconds it just simply.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: Stops i have that most of the day i i
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: But he's, like, stuff in that era of, like, Cat
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: on a Hot Tin Roof, or, you know, you get
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: to that same type of thing.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, right.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: Which is funny. One of the young actors they were
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: doing that, like, swapping out Brando was a young Paul Newman, actually,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: is what they said.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: You know what?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 5: That's one I kind of would like to see in
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: this role.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 8: Brando was a handsome guy, so there's no doubt he
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 8: was a matinee idol.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: Paul Newman. Young Paul Newman might be able to one-up
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: him on that one.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 8: Maybe, maybe. But Brando had something in his early days.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: I mean, he was really a handsome... handsome guy.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: I think it's also that, that mystique. And it was
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 5: that same thing. It's the James Dean thing of not
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: only is he handsome, but there's something, there's like a
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: mystery about him and a girl wants to figure that out.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: You know, that's what so many of those movies were
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: sort of built around was like, there's something about him
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: and I don't know why, but I just want to
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: be with him kind of a thing.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 5: Like that was again, changing in, in both on screen
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: and in the American, you know, subconscious at that point.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 8: Well, no doubt. I mean, Rebel Without a Cause for
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 8: Dean and East of Eden. I mean, so he made
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: three movies.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: Changed pop culture forever.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 8: Exactly. And changed pop culture forever.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 5: Kids today are still wearing images of him on a t-shirt,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 5: you know?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: James Dean was probably one of my guys, one of
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: the guys that I would I would have emulated. I'm
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: a little young for it, but I'm close to that
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: age group.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: I think it follows through, though. I think it is something,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: because I remember being a movie geek and all of
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: a sudden seeing Giant and being like, no, there's something
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: to this guy. He was amazing.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: And in Giant, the age range that he was able
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: to get away with He got away with it.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: Just a little gray in the hair.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 8: He got away with it. That's pretty amazing, you know?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 8: Pretty amazing. So people, extraordinary people, regardless of what their
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 8: profession is, come with X intelligence. Come with things that.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: Baggage.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: Come with things that other people have to learn how
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: to deal with. And we need to forgive....
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 5: Within reason.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: Yes, within reason.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: As we're learning in today's movement.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: Yes, exactly. Not totally enable, but understand what they're capable
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 8: of and try to help make that happen. So I
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: think we have to do things with an open heart.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: I think it's part of being an artist. You are
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: a weird character in general, and it comes with the baggage.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 8: Absolutely. I paint. I'm not any damn good at it,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 8: but I paint.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: I fall into that boat myself.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And I absolutely love it. I think it's something
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 8: I will do for the rest of my life.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: The only term I ever used was therapeutic.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. It is. It is completely therapeutic.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 8: And it also provides for me instant gratification. Even if
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 8: I'm dissatisfied, there's a gratification I have having the dissatisfaction.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: To me, it's a project.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: I can add something else more to it or take
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: something else away from it.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: To me, it's a project.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 8: That is going to change. It's ongoing. There you have it.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: Do like almost the fight of it of like i
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: do too when i start it's not what i want
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: and when i get there sometimes it is but i
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: know i've made some sort of progress yes right that's
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: right that's right so i guess all art falls into that.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 8: It does even if you decide to completely wipe it
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: out and start over.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah it comes to that sometimes.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah when i paint i'm always looking it's funny because
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: what i'm always looking for is not what i just
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 8: put on is what's underneath it So I'm going back
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 8: and I'm, you know, because the kind of painting I
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 8: do is just kind of abstract expressionism.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: I go the other way. I'm usually looking at my
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: next step. How can I fix what I just did
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: that I don't like?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: Which is, again, the other side of that same coin.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's, yeah. I mean, I think there's so
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: many levels to this movie and this art in general.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 8: And it is an art. Filmmaking is an art form.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: Maybe the most complicated of all arts.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 8: Well, certainly the most technical. You know, you look around.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 5: There's so many moving pieces.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 8: And around these rooms, a lot of these guys are
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 8: creating visual cinema. There are spaceships that aren't really there. Right.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: It's still an art form.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 8: And creatures that are just remarkably lifelike and disturbing. And theater.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 8: It's the art form. And then there are the artists
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 8: that work in collaboration to create the art form. So
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: our purpose is always toward.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 8: Let's have the vision of what the art form needs
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 8: to be, and then let's, as artists and craftsmen, come
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: together and collaborate to allow that art form to exist.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: Definitely. I think that's our takeaway on this film.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 10: It is.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 8: It absolutely is.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 5: The only other, again, whatever you've got to tell people,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: I know you say you've kind of gotten out of
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: the acting, but if you've got other stuff to tell
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: people about.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 8: Well, the only, I mean, I've retired. I've just announced
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 8: my retirement. 36 years of teaching theater at Point Park.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: That's impressive.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: Playhouse. And, you know, being an actor and director and
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: The old Playhouse is closing. We've just built a new
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: facility downtown, a $ 72 million state-of-the-art theater, which will begin
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: a new era of the Pittsburgh Playhouse. But with the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: closing of it, it felt right for me. Because I
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 8: kind of grew up there. I went to school. I'm
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 8: an alum of Point Park. And we've owned the Pittsburgh
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 8: Playhouse for those years. So I have like a 46-year relationship.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 8: Two-thirds of my life was spent in this building.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: That is an artist.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 8: And so with the closing of it, it felt like
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: the right time for me to retire. And, you know,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 8: look for the next step on the path. Hoping that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 8: something will.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: I'm right there hoping that too.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: We all play that game.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 8: I've been doing a lot of voiceover workshops and I'm
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 8: hoping that I can figure out how to get into
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 8: that world. I'm also just looking for a little bit
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 8: of time to relax.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 5: To paint.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 8: A bit. To paint. Yeah, absolutely. To be able to
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 8: get up and paint if I want to. To paint
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 8: just before I go to bed.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: That's not a bad life.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 8: No, right. I want to do things that I haven't done.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 8: I want to travel a little bit. I'm not that
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 8: much of a world traveler, but the last couple of years,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 8: last year especially, I had an opportunity to go to
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 8: the U.K. twice and see the middle of the country
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 8: and to see London and then to see Manchester. And
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 8: there are other places I want to go and see.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 8: I'm going to North Carolina for several weeks in the
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 8: middle of July.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: Nothing can be as impressive as Louisville.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 8: Actually, I got out to see the town a little bit.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: We've got some stuff. I think it's pretty cool.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 8: I think it's a pretty cool town. It's a very
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: comfortable town, and the people are quite friendly.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that I'll give you. I think that's why so
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: many people end up here, and even if they attempt
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: to leave, they end up back here. It's very homey.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 8: It seems like it's very livable in terms of economics
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 8: and And that kind of thing.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: That's why I'm still here.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, good. I mean, Pittsburgh has a similar kind of vibe.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 8: We're getting a little kind of, we're kind of moving
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 8: into a high-tech area. The majority of our industry is
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 8: long gone.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: You kind of have to move to that area.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and so there's a lot of tech stuff. Our
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 8: rivers are no longer polluted with waste from the mills.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 8: but they're now full of boats. That's better. Yeah, that's better.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 8: That's a step up. Yeah, and water skis and things
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 8: of that nature. It's a much cleaner city, and architecturally
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 8: it's interesting and still viable economically to live a kind
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 8: of simple middle-class life.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 8: And so I find the two cities kind of comparable
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 8: in that regard.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: I can see that.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 8: We have more hills and mountains, though, than you do.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: I think we go further in the state. We don't
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: have much in the city, but further in, it gets
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: little hills.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 8: The city is full of hills and valleys. We don't
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 8: have much of that. Yeah, and we are not on
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 8: a grid. We spin around in circles and then backpedal
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: and go.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 8: But, yeah, I'm looking for an opportunity to live a
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 8: bit of a simpler life. And also for opportunities to,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 8: like these, to, you know, maybe I'll have a chance
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 8: to do a few more conventions. I never have, you know,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 8: jumped into doing too many of them. I do maybe
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: two a year, perhaps. Maybe the most I've ever done
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 8: is three, you know.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: That's a weird shift in these last 10 to 15 years, too,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 5: that I was going to get your take on. Because
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: even last time I talked to you, I don't think
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: it was this level of crazy. But, I mean, you specifically, well,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, specifically the, like, you know, you were there
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: at the early days of Romero. I mean, you're at
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, Creepshow. So, like,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: could you have imagined... In the middle of that era,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: what would become of the zombie thing?
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 8: Oh, no, absolutely not. You have no clue. I had,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 8: excuse me, no clue of the future. I mean, when
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 8: I worked with George, I went and I did my
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 8: job with George. Then I went to the playhouse and
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 8: I worked in theater. And then I would teach classes.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 8: And then a year later... I would get a call
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 8: and I would do a movie with George and then
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 8: I would go back to the playhouse and you know
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 8: so it wasn't like I was completely entrenched in his
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: world although I had good fortune to be able to
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 8: work in that world and get to know people that
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 8: are still my good friends, you know, from the time
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 8: I started with Martin. And so I've been close enough,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 8: but not where I was engulfed by it, you know.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 8: And so I never got into any of the dramatic
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 8: dynamics of the business that they were going through. So
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 8: I'm lucky in that regard, you know. But I've always
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 8: enjoyed the work that I was lucky enough to have.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: It's just such a weird pop culture shift that the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 5: horror and zombie thing is so huge.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 8: What surprised me was, because I think the first time
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 8: I did a convention, was the first time I did
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 8: a convention. And I stayed away from it for a
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 8: long time. Lori Cardill at one point called me and said,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 8: we're doing these conventions and my manager would really like
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 8: you to come and join us. And I said, I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 8: don't understand it. What do you mean? What's this for?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: Who goes?
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: This sounds like the George reaction when he came here
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: the first time. He didn't charge.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And so the first time I did it, I
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 8: was surprised. What? And it wasn't just about the commerce
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: of it. It was about meeting the fans and suddenly
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 8: realizing their love of the genre was Their love of
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 8: the work, the love that they offer you, and they
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 8: were so happy that they were able to meet somebody
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 8: that was part of this. And it became a love fest.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: It truly did.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: That became what all this sprung out of for me.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's the greatest thing about a convention. It's
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: not so much the commerce. I mean, that's a nice little...
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 8: It's not making any of us rich, you know what
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 8: I mean? So what it is doing, though, it is
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 8: getting us closer to the people that love the work
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: and us having an opportunity to give them some love back.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 8: For their appreciation of us.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: Full circle.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. It's absolutely full circle. And that's what
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: I've come to really enjoy when I do get the
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 8: opportunity to do these. Now, next week, I'm going to
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 8: be at the Living Dead weekend at the Monroeville Mall.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 8: They're celebrating the 40th anniversary of Dawn of the Dead.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 8: And with 40-some guests.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 5: Um i can't shop at any of the stores though
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: there's no walden books and you know that gap's not
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: there anymore.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 8: That weekend not that weekend you can't um and so
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 8: that's going to be pretty much an extravaganza of sorts
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 8: that's huge yeah yeah it's going to be huge so
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 8: that's the next thing up for me um and then
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 8: what else am i doing um well i did this
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 8: and uh Yeah. My birthday is June 23rd.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: Happy birthday.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 8: Thank you. I'll be 69. And then I go to...
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 8: I go to Ocracoke Island.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 8: Two weeks, starting on July 7th to the 21st.
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  Speaker 5: You should all plan your trips accordingly.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely. I'm going to sit at the beach and... and
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  Speaker 8: that's all I'm going to do.
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  Speaker 5: Sounds like a plan.
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  Speaker 8: And then I'm going to come back and figure out
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  Speaker 8: what happens after that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I definitely am glad. Again, you coming here and
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  Speaker 5: making that connection, this is why I built this whole
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  Speaker 5: show around that. So I'm so glad to have talked
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  Speaker 5: to you previous time and to definitely expand this time.
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  Speaker 5: So it's been great talking with you, man. Thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for being on.
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  Speaker 8: My pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: It's so hard of reminds me of black and white movies.
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  Speaker 6: And I will put a white dress on and by.
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  Speaker 5: The window wait.
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  Speaker 4: For my Marlon Brando to come crashing through the gate.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes I talk.
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  Speaker 8: On the phone.
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  Speaker 5: Alright, we're back. Misty, we bought things.
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  Speaker 2: Books.
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  Speaker 12: I did.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know how to read, but I found a
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  Speaker 5: book that had nothing but old posters from old movies.
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  Speaker 9: You bought two books today.
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  Speaker 5: That was a different one. That was the history of
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  Speaker 5: a studio. Again, in setting up my place, I'm like,
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  Speaker 5: where am I going to put all the old movie books?
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't there fighting weird girls at your book sale,
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  Speaker 5: but Again, the times I go with you in this town,
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  Speaker 5: all I do is like end up picking up like old,
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  Speaker 5: either old like studio retrospective books or like weird. There's
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  Speaker 5: one I got that's like just like a retelling of
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  Speaker 5: Groucho movies. The Marx Brothers stuff.
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  Speaker 9: September 28th if you want to go ahead and pencil
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  Speaker 9: that in.
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  Speaker 5: All of you can mark it. I mean, they're not paying,
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  Speaker 5: but who cares? That's an awesome sale.
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  Speaker 9: But everybody else goes Saturday, so I can go Friday
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  Speaker 9: and get my shit first.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, she goes multiple times. She has, as previously stated,
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  Speaker 5: a problem. But, yeah, I end up getting old.
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  Speaker 9: My only problem is that they put books on the floor.
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  Speaker 9: Now my legs are jacked.
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  Speaker 5: You are a gimpy old lady now. You were hobbling
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  Speaker 5: up the stairs earlier.
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  Speaker 9: I had to take the elevator because I couldn't do
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 9: it again.
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  Speaker 5: Yep, I had to ride in an elevator because she's
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  Speaker 5: an old lady.
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  Speaker 9: Books on the floor.
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  Speaker 5: You got kind of a gangsta limp as we were
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  Speaker 5: going to get pizza. You're just like, come on, let's go.
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  Speaker 9: My leg kept giving out.
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  Speaker 5: Crazy old lady. Anyway, but yeah, so I end up
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  Speaker 5: picking up some sort of old studio books and all
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  Speaker 5: I want is reference books. Previously, I don't know how
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  Speaker 5: to read, but I do like old reference books to
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: find more movies that I then need to go and
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  Speaker 5: find and watch.
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  Speaker 9: There's a sad, sad lacking in pop-up books.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 8: That's true.
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  Speaker 9: I didn't see one pop-up book today.
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  Speaker 5: We didn't have any pop-up books here. I did see
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  Speaker 5: a really old box of cereal. They had it spun
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: around the other way to show the ad, which had, like,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: a Frankenstein on it, which was also very cool.
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  Speaker 9: I saw some Count Chocula downstairs, too.
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  Speaker 5: The guy turned it around next to me, and it
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  Speaker 5: had Super Sugar Crisp on the front, and I was
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: just like, oh, dude, if that was full, I would
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: be eating that right now. Like, just old-school, real sugar, and, like,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 5: four pounds of it in every box. And, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I long for those days.
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  Speaker 9: And then you'd add sugar on top of it.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: And then I'd sprinkle some sugar on top of it.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 8: Because, ooh.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 9: My grandma usually only bought Cheerios when I was a kid.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: Dumped sugar on it.
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  Speaker 9: And then you'd have that sugary sludge at the bottom.
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  Speaker 5: You know what I'm talking about.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, I know.
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  Speaker 5: My life was built around that sugary sludge.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 9: Oh, my God, dude.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: That's how I grew to be this horrible person I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 5: am today.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 9: Slurp that shit up. It'd be all gritty, but it
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 9: would be sugary.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, that's the best part.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 9: I know, right?
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: That's the best part. Anyway, so yeah, I picked up
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: some dorky movie books, and you got also dorky movie books.
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  Speaker 3: Posters.
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  Speaker 9: Postcards. Postcards of posters that half of them were missing.
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  Speaker 9: And then a book of pulp magazine covers. Which I love.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 9: But usually when you go buy the comics in the magazines,
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 9: they're so expensive. So I can just buy a book
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 9: that just has them all rolled into one.
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  Speaker 5: That does make it a little easier. Way easier. Saves
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 5: a few steps and monies.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 9: And less place to put stuff.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: That's true. We are pressed for space, which is why
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: we've tried to contain ourselves. But you may not need
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: to do that. So you should just come to Wonderfest
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: next year and buy all the stuff. And then we
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: won't have to buy anything because you will have already
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: snatched it up.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 9: You will go back in time and go to this one.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 5: That would also, I mean, if you've finished your time machine,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 5: I'm still working on mine. But if you've finished your,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 5: if you've got the flux capacitor, like fluxing. Like, you'll
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 5: be good and you can come back.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 9: And you can come get me because there's some places
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 9: I want to go.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: That's true. I got some plans, some things.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 9: I got some concerts I want to see.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure I'm going to end up completely ruining
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 5: the space-time continuum. But, you know, if it works for
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: Rick and Morty, it's going to work for me. So
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: I can make this happen.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 9: Let's do this.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: Otherwise. This year or in previous years. Go to wonderfest.com
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 5: and see what they've got in the works now. And
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 5: you can look at previous years and see what time
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: to go back in time.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 9: See what you missed out on.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: Go check out on Romero when he was here. You know,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: go back in time.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 9: Anne Francis.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: See, yeah, I saw Anne Francis.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 8: Kevin McCarthy.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: If you didn't see, you should go back. Yeah, these
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: people are gone. You can't see them unless you get
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: your time machine and go back to Wonderfest.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 9: You always see Tom Savini because that fucker ain't going nowhere.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 5: She still owes Jay two dollars.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 9: It'll probably be four dollars next time interest it changes
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 9: every time we're charging interest it changes every time he
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 9: tells the story sometimes it's three sometimes it's four sometimes
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 9: it's two.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: Well jay's memory it's it's going even he knows well
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 5: the days that he's conscious of it he knows it's
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: going so anyway go to wonderfest.com come here next year
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  Speaker 5: or in previous years i think we're gonna round it
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: out Yep, yep. Otherwise, that about does it. We will
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  Speaker 5: return next time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Bye.
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  Speaker 6: We live and dream about the future Please ask me
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: how I need to know Well.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: No So through the animals of our flavor Our heroes
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  Speaker 5: And all.
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  Speaker 6: Their fatal flaws Me, Marlon Brando Marlon Brando And I
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 6: say Lay me down Down, down, down.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: Lay me down.
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  Speaker 6: Down, down, down, down. Help me up to sleep. Take
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 6: me deep again.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 8: We live and dream. I listen closely and I sound.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure where to place myself, your friend.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 6: My mind on the gold rings and stand.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 8: The winner's right, the winner's wrong.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: Mysteries and lullabies.
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  Speaker 8: Lay me down.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 6: A breast that's mixed with flesh.
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  Speaker 8: Jim, do you remember the actress, the name of the
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 8: actress in On the Waterfront with Marlon Brando? I'm saying,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 8: I'm saying, I'm not sure if I have her name right.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 8: I think it's Eve Marie Saint.
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  Speaker 5: To the Googles.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 8: Eve Marie Saint. Oh, thank God.
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  Speaker 5: We have finalized it.
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  Speaker 1: We're good.
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