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  Speaker 1: But it's the state that the remains were found in
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  Speaker 1: and some of the other things that were found in
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  Speaker 1: conjunction with these remains that raise a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 2: So today we're going to talk.
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  Speaker 1: About one of the more well known unsolved mysteries, and
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  Speaker 1: it is the very strange disappearance of two college students
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  Speaker 1: from the Netherlands who go to Panama, and they've saved
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  Speaker 1: up all this money to go on this trip, like
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  Speaker 1: they were working in a cafe for the six months
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  Speaker 1: leading up to this trip that they were going to
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  Speaker 1: finance mostly themselves. They'd mapped out all these different places
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  Speaker 1: they're going to go in Panama.
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  Speaker 2: It was going to be like.
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  Speaker 1: Part vacation, part like mission trip where they were going
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  Speaker 1: to be helping out with different charities and the different
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  Speaker 1: villages they go to, but also enjoying the travel. These
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  Speaker 1: girls were very close, they were highly intelligent, they were
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  Speaker 1: just wonderful smart people, and they were really excited about
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  Speaker 1: this trip. And they go to Panama and the first
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago without incident, and at some point
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  Speaker 1: things take a very significant turn for the worst, and
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  Speaker 1: so let's dive in. On March fifteenth, fourteen, Chris Kremers
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  Speaker 1: and Lisia and Brunn, who were both Dutch college students,
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  Speaker 1: head to Panama for a six week long part vacation,
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  Speaker 1: part charitable giving trip. They had mapped out these six
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  Speaker 1: weeks really diligently. They planned to do lots of traveling
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  Speaker 1: and exploring and then also they were going to be
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  Speaker 1: working with different charities along the way as they went
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  Speaker 1: all over Panama, and they were really excited about it.
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  Speaker 1: They had even worked for the six months leading up
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  Speaker 1: to this trip at a cafe to raise additional money
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  Speaker 1: for this trip. So March fifteenth they arrived in Panama.
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  Speaker 1: The first two weeks they're there go beautifully. They do
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  Speaker 1: some traveling, they're working with different charities, and everything's going
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  Speaker 1: to plan.
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  Speaker 2: And then by the.
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  Speaker 1: Second week they arrived in a little town called Bouquette
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  Speaker 1: and they stay at this hostel.
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  Speaker 2: So that's like a group living situation.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty common amongst travelers all over the world where
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  Speaker 1: to save money you'll crash at these like almost like
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  Speaker 1: dorms where other travelers and people will stay in the
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  Speaker 1: same room as you. Two weeks in they're in Boquet
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  Speaker 1: and they're living in this hostel. So on April first,
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  Speaker 1: they're in Boquet and they want to go on this
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  Speaker 1: fairly significant hike, which is going to be around this
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  Speaker 1: massive volcano called the Baru Volcano. Up near i guess
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  Speaker 1: the summit of the volcano. There was this amazing overlook
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  Speaker 1: where if you climbed up to it, you could get
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  Speaker 1: a beautiful three hundred and sixty degree view of the
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  Speaker 1: entire area. Prune and Kremer's decide they want to go.
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  Speaker 1: They want to go hike up to that overlook. They
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  Speaker 1: were experienced hikers, but realistically, I don't think they were
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  Speaker 1: taking this hike particularly seriously. It was a hike that
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  Speaker 1: was traditionally a guided hike, meaning usually you went and
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  Speaker 1: did this with a local who could make sure you
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  Speaker 1: didn't leave the path or you know, fall where you
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  Speaker 1: didn't know there was a cliff or something. They opt
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  Speaker 1: to do this on their own. So they head out
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  Speaker 1: and they actually they bring the hostile owner headed dog,
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  Speaker 1: and they decided to bring that dog along with them.
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  Speaker 1: It was a very friendly dog. So Krammer's proon and
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  Speaker 1: the dog head off for this hike up this volcano.
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  Speaker 1: They had a digital camera with them in addition to water,
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  Speaker 1: and they had their phones. They had all the different
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  Speaker 1: kind of basic supplies. They had a camera and so
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  Speaker 1: this is important because they take.
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of pictures as they begin this journey.
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  Speaker 1: So that night, the dog returns to the hostel, but
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  Speaker 1: the girls aren't with the dog, and so this alerts
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  Speaker 1: the owners of the hostel. But they they searched the area,
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  Speaker 1: like I guess, the immediate area for the girls. They
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  Speaker 1: can't find them, and they decide we'll just wait until
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  Speaker 1: the morning and see if they turn up. The next morning,
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  Speaker 1: they don't turn up. Additionally, the parents of the girls,
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  Speaker 1: they were used to getting very regular text messages from
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  Speaker 1: these girls. They kind of let them know that everything
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  Speaker 1: was okay, and the text messages stopped, and so that
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  Speaker 1: alerted the parents as well.
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  Speaker 2: By the second day.
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  Speaker 1: After they've they've gone missing, and so authorities are alerted.
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  Speaker 1: Search crews were organized on foot for the first day,
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  Speaker 1: so April second, there are search crews all over the
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  Speaker 1: place looking for these girls. Can't find anything. The next
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  Speaker 1: day they set up aerial search teams. They're scouring the
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  Speaker 1: jungle looking for signs of these girls.
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  Speaker 2: No sign to them.
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  Speaker 1: The search continues, and then on April sixth, the parents
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  Speaker 1: of Kremers and Froon they arrive in Panama. They immediately
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  Speaker 1: offer a thirty thousand dollars reward for any information about
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  Speaker 1: their daughters, which is a ton of money in Panama.
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  Speaker 1: It's roughly equivalent to about a half a million dollars
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  Speaker 1: in a developed country. I mean with thirty thousand US
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  Speaker 1: dollars in Panama. I mean you could buy land, you
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  Speaker 1: could buy a house, you could start a business. I
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  Speaker 1: mean this is big money. And considering many people, especially
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  Speaker 1: in that area, we're day laborers that were working for
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  Speaker 1: like less than ten dollars a day. I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: would think that that type of reward for just information
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  Speaker 1: about these girls would would incite hundreds of people just
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  Speaker 1: on their own go looking for these girls. And if
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  Speaker 1: you consider too that, I mean, this is a small town.
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  Speaker 1: I mean people, news travels fast. You know, this is
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  Speaker 1: the area. They probably grew up, and they know the
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  Speaker 1: area really well. The idea that with with with an
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  Speaker 1: amazing incentive, the financial incentive, and just the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they know this area really really well. It's it was
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  Speaker 1: odd that nothing was turning up. There were no leads
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  Speaker 1: coming in. Three months go by and there is not
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  Speaker 1: a sign of these girls anywhere. They have vanished. There's
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  Speaker 1: no leads, nothing's been found. You know, obviously, at this
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  Speaker 1: point the family and investigators are at this point, I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty much accepted that they're they're probably deceased at this point,
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  Speaker 1: but they're looking for them.
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  Speaker 2: They want to know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: And a local woman finds fruns backpack or blue backpack,
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  Speaker 1: five miles away from where the girls were supposedly hiking,
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  Speaker 1: or where they had intended to hike. Navigating a jungle
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  Speaker 1: is exceptionally difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Even with the right equipment, even knowing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: The travel is so slow, cutting through the growth on
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  Speaker 1: the ground, there's animals to contend with. There's even though
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  Speaker 1: it's incredibly moist and there's lots of moisture in a jungle,
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  Speaker 1: the water oftentimes can't be drank, so the risk of
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  Speaker 1: dehydration is really high. The jungle that they were in
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  Speaker 1: was incredibly mountainous, and so in addition to just navigating
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  Speaker 1: a jungle, you're dealing with pretty significant elevation changes. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is a treacherous place to be navigating, absolutely treacherous.
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  Speaker 2: And for them to have moved.
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  Speaker 1: Five miles through dense jungle is it's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: That is almost unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: But nonetheless, their backpack is found, you know, five miles away.
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  Speaker 1: In addition, the woman who found the backpack, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's a local woman, and she said, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: out in this area a fair amount and I've not
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  Speaker 1: seen this backpack.
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  Speaker 2: I saw it today and I picked it up and
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  Speaker 2: reported it.
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  Speaker 1: But it just means that the backpack probably had not
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  Speaker 1: been sitting there for very long.
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  Speaker 2: It had been quite.
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  Speaker 1: Placed there within the past couple of days, let's say,
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  Speaker 1: which doesn't really provide that much clarity, but it adds
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  Speaker 1: to the kind of intrigue around what actually happened. So
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  Speaker 1: the backpack was in great condition, and everything inside the
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  Speaker 1: backpack was very neatly.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of placed.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like someone had very intentionally placed everything in
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  Speaker 1: the bag, zipped it up neatly and put it down
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  Speaker 1: by the riverside to be found.
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  Speaker 2: It didn't have the look and feel of.
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  Speaker 1: A backpack belonging to two missing people in the Panamanian
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  Speaker 1: jungle that's been missing for the past three months. It
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  Speaker 1: looked like it had just been grabbed off a shelf,
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  Speaker 1: put some stuff in it, and put down. But either way,
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  Speaker 1: inside there was you know, there's sunglasses, there was water bottle,
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  Speaker 1: there was some some underwear that was in there, and
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  Speaker 1: their camera, their digital camera was in there, which is
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  Speaker 1: going to be really important. And both of their phones
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  Speaker 1: were in there, another really important part of this investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So when the initial search was conducted. It was done
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  Speaker 1: with a focus on the volcano area because that's the
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  Speaker 1: last place the girls had been, at least as far
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  Speaker 1: as everybody understood. But now that they found this backpack
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  Speaker 1: five miles away, they had a new area to search,
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  Speaker 1: and so they do. They start searching around the area
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  Speaker 1: around the backpack, and they quickly find some of the
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  Speaker 1: girl's clothing neatly folded on.
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  Speaker 2: The side of a river, but no sign of the girls.
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  Speaker 1: And then another two months go by and they finally
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  Speaker 1: locate in the same rough area that the clothes and the.
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  Speaker 2: Backpack were found.
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  Speaker 1: They actually discover some of the remains of the girls
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  Speaker 1: that DNA confirms it with them, But it's the state
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  Speaker 1: that the remains were found in and some of the
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  Speaker 1: other things that were found in conjunction with these remains
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  Speaker 1: that raise a lot of questions. So of the remains
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  Speaker 1: that were found, DNA proved that some of them were
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  Speaker 1: Chris Kremmer's and Lisan Frun. DNA also showed that mixed
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  Speaker 1: in with some of the bone fragments and pieces of
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  Speaker 1: remains that were found were at least three other people's remains.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking about five people's remains in the same area.
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  Speaker 1: Also, interestingly, scientists were able to look at the bones
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  Speaker 1: and there were no scratches on the bones. So that's
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  Speaker 1: important if you think about it, you know, because their
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  Speaker 1: bones were found all over the place they had been
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  Speaker 1: broken apart right, Well, if an animal had been.
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  Speaker 2: Responsible, there would have been scratches all over the bones
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  Speaker 2: because they would have broken the bones that way without
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  Speaker 2: those scratches.
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  Speaker 1: The only other way it could happen is if they've
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  Speaker 1: basically been pulverized, basically broken with like blunt force. So
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  Speaker 1: obviously something horrible has happened to these two girls. But
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  Speaker 1: their remains really only show investigators.
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  Speaker 2: That the women had died.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't show how they died or really anything, And
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  Speaker 1: so investigators needed to look at the other evidence to
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  Speaker 1: try to get a better sense of what actually happened.
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  Speaker 1: And so they look at the phone records and they
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  Speaker 1: can tell that on April first, when they started this hike, initially,
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  Speaker 1: there is a string of distress calls that are sent
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  Speaker 1: within an hour of the hike starting. So whatever happened
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  Speaker 1: to these girls happen almost immediately on their hike. None
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  Speaker 1: of those calls connect over the course of those first
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  Speaker 1: four days as they're trying to reach help via their
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  Speaker 1: cell phone, nothing's connecting, and then Frun's phone dies. Kremer's
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  Speaker 1: phone does not, and they begin they or she begin
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  Speaker 1: turning it off and then turning it on sporadically to
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  Speaker 1: try to get reception. On April sixth, something interesting starts
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  Speaker 1: to happen. Somebody was trying to access Kremer's phone. There
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  Speaker 1: was multiple failed login attempts, and it got to the
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  Speaker 1: point where you weren't even allowed to input any more
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  Speaker 1: more codes.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like locked. The phone locked, so somebody
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  Speaker 2: was unable to get into the phone.
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  Speaker 1: From April seventh to April tenth, there were seventy seven
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  Speaker 1: calls attempted, distress calls attempted, and then on April eleventh,
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  Speaker 1: the phone died and that was it. So in addition
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  Speaker 1: to the phone, they started looking at the camera. And
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  Speaker 1: so when you look at all the pictures they took.
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  Speaker 1: The beginning of the camera role is this wonderful, you know,
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  Speaker 1: montage of these two girls having this great time hiking
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  Speaker 1: up this volcano. And then as night begins to fall,
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  Speaker 1: you can tell that their expressions begin to change a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. It looks like you could begin to see
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  Speaker 1: that maybe something was wrong, perhaps they're loss who.
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  Speaker 2: Don't really know.
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  Speaker 1: But then there's no more pictures taken until April eighth.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety pictures. Over ninety pictures are taken between April eighth
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  Speaker 1: and April tenth.
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  Speaker 2: Which is that period of time where all those.
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  Speaker 1: Distress calls were made on Kremer's phone before Kremer's phone
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  Speaker 1: finally died. The pictures are very strange. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of theories about why they took the pictures they did,
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  Speaker 1: but in a nutshell, the pictures, none of them include
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  Speaker 1: pictures of the girls, with the exception of one, which
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  Speaker 1: is the back of Kremer's head and it appears to
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  Speaker 1: be bleeding. The rest are, you know, shots of the landscape,
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  Speaker 1: and they're all taken in total darkness, so they're in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the jungle in total darkness taking these pictures.
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  Speaker 1: There was one picture that looked like whatever gear they
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  Speaker 1: had had been kind of lined up on.
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  Speaker 2: A rock and someone had taken a picture of it.
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  Speaker 1: There were pictures of candy wrappers, and there also was
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  Speaker 1: a picture that was like looking down into a ravine
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  Speaker 1: that perhaps was a picture of one of the girls
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  Speaker 1: down in the ravine, So it's unclear who's taking the pictures.
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  Speaker 1: It could be the girls, could be one of the girls,
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  Speaker 1: could be a third party.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's a ton of speculation about one picture
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  Speaker 1: in particular, so picture five zero nine, as it's been dubbed,
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  Speaker 1: because that was the number on the camera roll was
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  Speaker 1: deleted from the camera. Now, that in and of itself
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  Speaker 1: is not particularly strange. It's not crazy to think that
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  Speaker 1: these girls might have deleted a picture, right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they accidentally snapshot something and they just deleted it.
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  Speaker 1: But it was permanently deleted, right, So if you hit
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  Speaker 1: delete on a digital camera, it's deleted. But a professional
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  Speaker 1: with the right software could reconstruct that image if they
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  Speaker 1: plugged it into a computer. Now, in order to permanently
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  Speaker 1: remove it from your camera, the girls would have had
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  Speaker 1: to connect it to a laptop to a computer and
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  Speaker 1: wipe it that way. They didn't have access to a computer.
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  Speaker 1: At most they might have hit the lead, but it
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  Speaker 1: still would have had that kind of archived, almost ghost
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  Speaker 1: image that a professional investigator could have reconstructed. But when
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  Speaker 1: they went to do that with this deleted image, it.
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  Speaker 2: Was wiped for good.
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  Speaker 1: So someone had managed to professionally wipe one picture, and
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  Speaker 1: it was the last picture on the camera roll. So
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  Speaker 1: the pervading theory here is that these girls got lost
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  Speaker 1: and fell to their death.
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  Speaker 2: But to me, that's totally unsatisfactory.
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  Speaker 1: I believe they were murdered, and I think it's because
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  Speaker 1: there's just too many things indicating.
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  Speaker 2: That foul play was involved.
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  Speaker 1: How did they go five miles across incredibly rugged terrain
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  Speaker 1: that even amongst Navy seals, that would be a very
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  Speaker 1: difficult distance to cover, even with all the right equipment.
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  Speaker 1: How did they without the right equipment, not knowing the area,
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  Speaker 1: without a guide, without even flashlights?
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  Speaker 2: How did they do that? And then let's just assume they.
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  Speaker 1: Managed to go the five miles, Okay, they fall to
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  Speaker 1: their death. Why are their remains one in complete and
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  Speaker 1: two scattered and mixed in with other people's remains.
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  Speaker 2: Why were Kremer's bones bleached? And why weren't there scratch
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  Speaker 2: marks on the bones? I mean, you would think that
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  Speaker 2: in order for their if they'd fallen off.
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  Speaker 1: This cliff, let's say, in order if there remains to
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  Speaker 1: be scattered all over the place and be dismembered, that
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  Speaker 1: an animal would have to be involved if there's no
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  Speaker 1: foul play involved, and there's no scratch marks on the bones,
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  Speaker 1: so an animal couldn't have done it. So there's just
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  Speaker 1: there's lots of questions that go unanswered. And then if
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  Speaker 1: you look at those pictures again, it seems an awful
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  Speaker 1: lot like somebody else was taking those pictures, somebody was
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  Speaker 1: trying to access Kremer's phone towards the end there, and
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  Speaker 1: someone looks like they were using their camera as well,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know the backpack that was found. It
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: just seems like it was kind of staged. But then again,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: like to what end? Why were they giving away the
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: camera and the phone which kind of led them to
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: thinking probably this is foul play.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Why would they have placed the backpack?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: That doesn't soonerate anybody, It actually just adds more questions
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: about the case.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: So the whole thing is just very confusing.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: But the narrative that they simply got lost and fell,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to me, seems like the most far fetched thing out
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: of all the theories.
• 18:14
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• 18:37
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