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Have workplaces gone too far with social media? · Anele and the Club on 947

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  Speaker 1: Wake up with a bang. Hey, wake up!
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  Speaker 2: Anele and the club on 947.
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  Speaker 3: So, yesterday we spoke to Maureen, who was talking about how,
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  Speaker 3: well we didn't speak to Maureen, Maureen sent us a
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  Speaker 3: voice note. And I think when she sent the voice note,
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  Speaker 3: she thought, oh, she's totally.
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  Speaker 2: Going to get everybody on her side.
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  Speaker 3: And Johannesburg actually came through to be like, girl, there's
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  Speaker 3: something you're doing wrong there because She bought her son
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  Speaker 3: a house and not the daughter because the daughter's.
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  Speaker 2: Financially stable and the son isn't.
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  Speaker 3: So off the back end of that, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: you have sent other voice notes. It's almost like you're
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  Speaker 3: waiting for somebody else to air their problems out to
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  Speaker 3: the rest of the city to give you the freedom.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So from home politics to workplace politics, this is the
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  Speaker 3: voice note that we are going to discuss today.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know if I'm crazy or what. But
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually starting to feel really uncomfortable at work. My
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  Speaker 4: company has this big social media push, constantly asking us
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  Speaker 4: to be in TikToks and videos. And I've made it
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  Speaker 4: very clear that I'm just not comfortable being on camera
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  Speaker 4: like that. It's not that I don't want to be
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  Speaker 4: part of the team. I just don't want my face
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  Speaker 4: and my personal image being used for company content. But
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  Speaker 4: now I'm actually starting to feel excluded because of it.
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  Speaker 4: There are team activities and things happening and I'm noticing
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  Speaker 4: that I'm not being included in the same way because
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  Speaker 4: I've said loads of videos. Like, when did being a
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  Speaker 4: good employee suddenly mean you have to dance in front
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  Speaker 4: of a camera for TikTok?
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  Speaker 2: Guys, oh, I know. Well, what does your contract say,
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  Speaker 2: my darling?
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  Speaker 1: No, but this is happening everywhere. Everywhere. But....
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  Speaker 3: Amache.
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: If.
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  Speaker 3: If the company is doing that, like, and now you're
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  Speaker 3: feeling excluded, you're more than allowed to say, no, you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be part of it. But you can't
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  Speaker 3: now have an issue with being excluded because now you're
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  Speaker 3: not being asked to come along because they're going to
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  Speaker 3: record everything. That's what the company wants to do. They
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  Speaker 3: are going to record everything they do. That's where you work. So, yes,
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  Speaker 3: you're definitely allowed to say, I don't want to be
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  Speaker 3: in the videos. But now you can't cry wolf because, hey.
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  Speaker 6: No, but you can't say that now you're excluding me
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  Speaker 6: because I became an accountant to account, not to dance
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  Speaker 6: on TikTok, right?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, then that's fine. Don't dance on TikTok, but then
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  Speaker 3: don't cry about being excluded. What, must we now go
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  Speaker 3: out of our way to create things that we can
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  Speaker 3: do that we're not going to record?
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  Speaker 7: You can film around her. Guys, do you know the
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  Speaker 7: pain of working in a modern day newsroom? If I
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  Speaker 7: hear one more person say to me, digital first. Like, babes,
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  Speaker 7: I'm 34. I can't compete with Alfa Ramushana on TikTok.
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  Speaker 7: He's a tiny young man.
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  Speaker 2: He can fit into tight spaces and do that quickly.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a lot to move. He doesn't need a
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  Speaker 2: wide shot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I need a wide shot. I need a big camera.
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  Speaker 2: You can't film me on a phone.
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  Speaker 3: And another thing I figured about Mr. Ramushana is that
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  Speaker 3: he can squat.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's 25.
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  Speaker 3: In those boardrooms, he's like squatting for like 30 minutes
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  Speaker 3: in front of Julius Malema recording a video.
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  Speaker 7: If I squat at the Malanga Commission, literally the commissioners
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  Speaker 7: themselves will have to come lift me up.
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  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is, if that's the direction that your
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  Speaker 3: company has taken, that is the direction that the company
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  Speaker 3: has taken. If you don't like it, you can't cry
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  Speaker 3: about being excluded.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, exclude me.
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  Speaker 1: Make my day.
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  Speaker 3: But she's not liking being excluded.
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  Speaker 2: So I think, look.
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  Speaker 7: I don't think you can complain about being excluded about
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  Speaker 7: things that are set up for the specific reason of
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  Speaker 7: filming content or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: However, is that all that she's being excluded from?
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  Speaker 7: Or is she now seen as a party pooper more
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  Speaker 7: broadly where in the environment itself, she's now left out
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  Speaker 7: of other things?
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  Speaker 2: Because then that's awkward.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but babe, now we can't be running a buffet, hey?
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  Speaker 3: You're either in or you're out.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I don't think that should be the choice.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say.
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  Speaker 6: The company shouldn't, even if you say to me, we're
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  Speaker 6: going to film you, it shouldn't be that either you're
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  Speaker 6: in or you're out. If you're out, that's fine, you're out,
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  Speaker 6: but now we exclude you from things. Now we can't go,
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  Speaker 6: we're not inviting Anele to team lunch because she said
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  Speaker 6: she doesn't want to be on a TikTok and we're
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  Speaker 6: going to make a TikTok.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes you can also build scenarios in your head
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  Speaker 5: that aren't there. Maybe they aren't excluding her. Maybe she's
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  Speaker 5: just got it in her head that they're excluding her.
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  Speaker 5: So maybe she's gone quieter at work, et cetera, et cetera. Also,
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  Speaker 5: it's okay to work at a company and then start
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  Speaker 5: and this is what we do. And then the company
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  Speaker 5: changes and that doesn't suit you. You're welcome to go
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  Speaker 5: work somewhere else because that environment is not good for you.
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  Speaker 5: And if you're spending so much time at work and
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  Speaker 5: now suddenly it's not a place that you feel comfortable.
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  Speaker 7: With, There's nowhere left to go, guys. Even the Checkers
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  Speaker 7: 60 guys are doing TikToks.
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Nowhere safe.
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  Speaker 7: I saw a mortician who put something on TikTok about
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  Speaker 7: the process at the morgue.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we are. Because we're going to advertise our business.
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  Speaker 1: This is why we're doing this. We're going to advertise
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  Speaker 1: our business.
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  Speaker 2: To keep you employed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the point is, the fact is we make
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  Speaker 1: plastic bags. Now, here we are.
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  Speaker 6: Doing the latest craze in the office.
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  Speaker 5: But to Anele's point, Anele's right. You can literally just say,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to be in it, but then don't
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  Speaker 5: be upset. It's like saying, I don't travel by bus.
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  Speaker 5: And then the whole team goes, okay, well, we're going
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  Speaker 5: for lunch by bus. And then you go, well, I'm excluded.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you don't travel by bus.
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  Speaker 6: I just don't think we should be including employees anyway.
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  Speaker 6: If you are currently in the office where they're asking
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  Speaker 6: you to TikTok every day, please let us know how
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  Speaker 6: you feel about that.
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  Speaker 7: Do you know how happy I was that we went
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  Speaker 7: into lockdown during Jerusalem? That's how I escaped doing the
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  Speaker 7: challenge outside the building.
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  Speaker 3: Has workplaces in Johannesburg, in the world at large, have
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  Speaker 3: they gone too far with social media? And now you
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  Speaker 3: being asked to do things for social media and you're
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  Speaker 3: just like, this is not part of it and I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be here. You know, has your workplace
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  Speaker 3: gone too far? And shame, now you're there, you're 58
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  Speaker 3: years old. You're just like, buddy, I'm just here for
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  Speaker 3: two more years and then I retire.
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  Speaker 2: Please can I be in none of your videos? Please.
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  Speaker 2: I have grandchildren. I have kids. I don't want.
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  Speaker 3: To be part of none of this.
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  Speaker 8: 011-8838-947.
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  Speaker 3: Send us a voice note.
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  Speaker 5: 084-0000-947.
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  Speaker 2: Amatle's got a problem.
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  Speaker 3: And Amatle, you sound like so much fun. This is
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  Speaker 3: the thing that's confusing your workplace people. You're the type
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  Speaker 3: of person who should want to be in a social
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  Speaker 3: media video.
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  Speaker 2: It's like every time someone says, you should have a show, 947.
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to. Listen to Amatle's voice note.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, guys. So I don't know if I'm crazy or what,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm actually starting to feel really uncomfortable at work.
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  Speaker 4: My company has this big social media push, constantly asking
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  Speaker 4: us to be in TikToks and videos. And I've made
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  Speaker 4: it very clear that I'm just not comfortable being on
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  Speaker 4: camera like that. It's not that I don't want to
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  Speaker 4: be part of the team. I just don't want my
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  Speaker 4: face and my personal image being used for company content.
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  Speaker 4: But now I'm actually starting to feel excluded because of it.
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  Speaker 4: There are team activities and things happening and I'm noticing
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  Speaker 4: that I'm not being included in the same.
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  Speaker 2: Way because I've said no to videos.
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  Speaker 4: Like, when did being a good employee suddenly mean you
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  Speaker 4: have to dance in front of a camera for TikTok?
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  Speaker 2: Guys, I wanna... Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know if I'm crazy or what, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually starting to feel really uncomfortable at work. My
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  Speaker 4: company has this big social media push, constantly asking us
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  Speaker 4: to be in TikToks and videos. And I've made it
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  Speaker 4: very clear that I'm just not comfortable being on camera
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  Speaker 4: like that. It's not that I don't want to be
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  Speaker 4: part of the team. I just don't want my face
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  Speaker 4: and my personal image being used for company content.
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  Speaker 2: But now I'm actually starting to feel excluded because of it.
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  Speaker 4: There are team activities and things happening and I'm noticing
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  Speaker 4: that I'm not being included in the same way because
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  Speaker 4: I've said no to videos. Like, when did being a
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  Speaker 4: good employee suddenly mean you have to dance in front
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  Speaker 4: of a camera for TikTok?
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  Speaker 2: Guys, I wanna... My dear, you can't pick and choose.
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  Speaker 4: If you came there to work and that's what you
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  Speaker 4: want to focus on, then focus on the work.
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  Speaker 8: If they exclude you, they exclude you.
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  Speaker 2: Live with it.
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  Speaker 8: Where does this woman work? I wanna send my CV. Yes,
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  Speaker 8: I'll be on their TikToks every day. I don't mind.
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  Speaker 7: She I've been seeing all these videos of car sales
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  Speaker 7: people doing dance challenges and it makes me wonder, do
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  Speaker 7: they even sell cars if they're busy dancing so much?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 7: Because if your dealership is empty long enough for you
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  Speaker 7: to learn to rehearse a routine and film it, then
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  Speaker 7: it's clearly not working as a strategy.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, and everyone just be honest with
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  Speaker 1: each other now.
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  Speaker 6: Once the boss tastes those first 20 likes on Facebook,
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  Speaker 6: you are finished.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. Look at us. Look at us blowing up online.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, there is a Nissan dealership in KwaZulu-Natal that I
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  Speaker 3: follow because they are so funny.
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  Speaker 2: I know them.
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  Speaker 1: Or the guy who's their manager.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see?
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  Speaker 3: We live in Joburg and if I was ever looking
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  Speaker 3: for a Nissan, do you know where I'm buying it?
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  Speaker 2: In KwaZulu-Natal. Just as you in Krugersdorf.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning.
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  Speaker 8: Good morning, Hanalei and the club. How are you guys?
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  Speaker 2: We are fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Justice, you are here to give Amache some advice.
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  Speaker 1: What is it?
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  Speaker 8: Look, this is very simple. Unfortunately, in the current epoch,
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  Speaker 8: when you sell your labor for eight hours, that eight
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  Speaker 8: hours the employer owns you. Whether it's a team building, whether.
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  Speaker 2: It's on heritage day, they're telling you to wear.
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  Speaker 8: Traditional attire, you are hired to it. You are just
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  Speaker 8: there to sell your labor, do your part, promote the company,
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  Speaker 8: go home and avoid insubordination.
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  Speaker 7: No, but she's not saying she doesn't want to do
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  Speaker 7: all the other stuff.
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  Speaker 2: She's just saying she'd like to sit out the recordings.
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  Speaker 7: And now what they're doing is now there are other
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  Speaker 7: group activities where she's no longer being invited to.
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  Speaker 2: But they're going to be recorded. So what?
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  Speaker 3: We're not running a film studio. Now we must also
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  Speaker 3: edit around you.
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  Speaker 2: Film around me.
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  Speaker 9: No.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not the star.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you're doing so well without me.
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  Speaker 1: You don't need me in the video.
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  Speaker 3: No, amate no we we are not going to sit
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  Speaker 3: and be like oh no oh amate's face is there
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  Speaker 3: can't you just blur it out just as you are
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  Speaker 3: very correct for the eight hours guys the company owns you.
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  Speaker 2: Just do what they say well they can try and see.
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  Speaker 3: There's four cameras facing you as.
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  Speaker 7: We speak oh no they're paying for this at five
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  Speaker 7: past nine they don't get a thing out of me.
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  Speaker 6: If there's one thing Tim Akile is not scared of,
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  Speaker 6: it's insubordination.
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  Speaker 1: That's the one thing he doesn't care about. Actually, you
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  Speaker 1: want to film? Film my DC.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you something to film. It'll get better numbers
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  Speaker 2: than the Madanga Commission. Shares, you are in Belito in Durban.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, and first time on the radio, on your radio.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and welcome!
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  Speaker 8: Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 9: I listen to you guys every single morning.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my word, all the way from Belito.
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  Speaker 9: All the way from Belito.
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  Speaker 2: We love it for us, we love it for you.
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  Speaker 2: What do you want to say about Amashle?
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  Speaker 9: You know what? First of all, if she doesn't want
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  Speaker 9: to be in it, why can't she... edit it, or
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  Speaker 9: make it, or produce it, or market it. So in
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  Speaker 9: that case, she is still there, still part of it,
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  Speaker 9: but she's not in it.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so she must shoot it, because then she's on
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  Speaker 3: the other side of the camera.
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  Speaker 9: Shoot it, or shoot it, edit it, market it, film it,
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  Speaker 9: because then she is still part of everything, but not
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  Speaker 9: in the actual.
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  Speaker 3: I actually like this because you're finding a solution.
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  Speaker 2: So you're not.
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  Speaker 3: Necessarily going to be part of the video, but when
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  Speaker 3: they're plotting it and.
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  Speaker 2: They're coming up with the ideas.
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  Speaker 3: You sit around them and be like, no, rather shoot outside,
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  Speaker 3: rather do this. Oh, why don't you guys do things
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  Speaker 3: like that? Because you are allowed for it because you
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  Speaker 3: don't want your face to be in.
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  Speaker 2: But be part of the activity of it. That way
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  Speaker 2: you're not exposed. There we go.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, solution.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, people are very clever.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. All day, just to stare at the ocean, be creative.
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  Speaker 2: This is what happens.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: We were somewhere or another.
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  Speaker 3: For instance, let's say your entire department is playing soccer
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  Speaker 3: and you hate soccer. Okay, then say, I'll be the
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  Speaker 3: team manager or I will be the water boy or something.
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  Speaker 3: But if you know that they're getting tighter and closer
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  Speaker 3: and closer every week going to the soccer, right, and
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  Speaker 3: you don't want to play soccer, do something around it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, Makile, add that to your job description, your KPIs,
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  Speaker 6: the things you didn't sign up for, and then make
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  Speaker 6: the videos for the company.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Can I tell you what's never ended well for anyone
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  Speaker 3: in the world?
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  Speaker 2: This is not in my job description. Ah, okay. Can
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: you describe unemployment for us quickly?
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  Speaker 5: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know if I'm crazy or what, but
• 12:35
  Speaker 4: I'm actually starting to feel really uncomfortable at work. My
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: company has this big social media push, constantly asking us
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: to be in TikToks and videos. And I've made it
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: very clear that I'm just not comfortable being on camera
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: like that. It's not that I don't want to be
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: part of the team. I just don't want my face
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: and my personal image being used for company content but
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: now i'm actually starting to feel excluded because of it
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: there are team activities and things happening and i'm noticing
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: that i'm not being included in the same way because
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  Speaker 4: i've said loads of videos like when did being a
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  Speaker 4: good employee suddenly mean you have to dance in front
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  Speaker 4: of a camera for tiktok guys oh i know Guys,
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  Speaker 4: there are people who don't care for social media, especially
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  Speaker 4: your CAs, you know, people that do a lot of
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  Speaker 4: office work.
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  Speaker 2: They really don't care. Making them do videos and things
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  Speaker 2: like that is really, really uncomfortable. TikToks in the workplace.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all for TikToks at home and in my social space.
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  Speaker 2: But in the professional space, I'm on a different vibe.
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  Speaker 8: And I just feel like if you're not comfortable, then
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  Speaker 8: you shouldn't be, you know, forced to do it.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's just the most awkward thing.
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  Speaker 7: Be the camera woman and then you'll be included all
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  Speaker 7: the time.
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  Speaker 8: Frankie.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you get 25 likes?
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  Speaker 8: Dude, we put so much effort into our social media
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  Speaker 8: as real estate agents.
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  Speaker 2: We are getting 250 to 400,000 likes and views. We
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  Speaker 2: actually made a TikTok video during lunchtime.
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  Speaker 3: One year, our staff members and we got called in
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  Speaker 3: the Monday morning, getting written warnings, telling us they actually want.
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  Speaker 2: To fire us. So no TikToks for us at work.
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  Speaker 4: I did tell my boss that it's not on my
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  Speaker 4: job description.
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  Speaker 8: Get where I got the land from, from the poor herself.
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  Speaker 2: So if she can do it, I can do it.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Like Annalise says, monkey see.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: Monkey do. Oh, you want to put yourself on the
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: same level as your boss?
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Hey.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: Hey. Go right ahead, my friend. I want to see
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: how this is going to end. Let's go to the
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: East Rand. MK, good morning.
• 14:31
  Speaker 8: Good morning, guys. How are you?
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: We're great, MK. How are you?
• 14:35
  Speaker 8: I'm actually fuming.
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 14:38
  Speaker 8: Because, guys, where do we draw the line? Because I'm
• 14:43
  Speaker 8: not working at the marketing department.
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: Hmm.
• 14:46
  Speaker 8: I am there to do my job, right? I'm not
• 14:50
  Speaker 8: the face of the company. The company has got a
• 14:53
  Speaker 8: marketing department. They've got a marketing budget. So when then
• 14:58
  Speaker 8: do they use their marketing budget? I didn't come there
• 15:01
  Speaker 8: to do the marketing. I came there to do my job.
• 15:05
  Speaker 8: So now if I'm being told that I need to
• 15:07
  Speaker 8: go and create content so that I can market the company,
• 15:12
  Speaker 8: so then when does the marketing money get to be used?
• 15:15
  Speaker 8: Are we going to be paid for marketing the company?
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: MK, MK, MK, we are one company.
• 15:21
  Speaker 6: We work together to the same goal, right?
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: So we must assist each other from department to department.
• 15:26
  Speaker 8: No, no, no, no. Hold on. If I mess around
• 15:30
  Speaker 8: with the figures when I'm an accountant, right? Are we
• 15:33
  Speaker 8: one company?
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 15:34
  Speaker 8: Are we going to work as a team to fix
• 15:36
  Speaker 8: the accounting figures?
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: Yes, we all work towards the same goal.
• 15:42
  Speaker 8: No, guys, no. Let's not get this twisted, guys. Companies
• 15:45
  Speaker 8: are taking advantage of people.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, MK.
• 15:48
  Speaker 8: They've got a marketing budget, right? They've got a marketing team.
• 15:52
  Speaker 8: Let the marketing team do the marketing. Let the marketing
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: budget do the budget for the marketing.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 16:02
  Speaker 8: Because it's there.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, but would you willing... Would you be willing.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: To consider the solution around this? Because Amache is saying
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: that she said no, she doesn't want to be part
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: of it. And then they said fine. But now she
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: says she feels excluded. So where's the middle ground? You
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: can't have both. You can't say you don't want to
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: be part of it. And then because now that's what
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: we're doing all the time, all the fun things, and
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: we're not including you, then you're upset that we're.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: Not including you.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: But we're not including you because you don't want to
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: be recorded.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: So now what must we do?
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: Look, Amache, Amache, she's okay. She's right that she doesn't
• 16:38
  Speaker 8: want to be involved, right? And then at the same time,
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: she cannot say she's now feeling excluded because she's getting
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: what she wants.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: So you're saying that she's right.
• 16:52
  Speaker 8: She must be okay with it.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: But you're saying that if somebody doesn't want to and
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: they're okay with being excluded, we must leave them alone.
• 17:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, she must leave them alone. And let's use the
• 17:05
  Speaker 8: marketing budget to do the marketing for the company. Because
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: no one is going to be told, look, companies are
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: taking advantage, guys. Because if there's a million rand, okay,
• 17:19
  Speaker 8: to go and hire a celebrity to come and do
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: the marketing for the company, they will pay the celebrity.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I'm available, MK.
• 17:28
  Speaker 8: Yes, they're not going to pay all of us. That
• 17:31
  Speaker 8: million bucks. They're not going.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: To do it.
• 17:33
  Speaker 8: That's when you're going to be told you must fit
• 17:37
  Speaker 8: in or you must F off.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: But Kalugu MK, your salary is a retainer. You are
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: under retainer.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: The celebrity is not under retainer.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: You are under retainer. So when we can use you.
• 17:54
  Speaker 8: As an accountant. As an accountant. Not as a face
• 17:59
  Speaker 8: of the company.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: No. Guys, this is like me.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: Let's say I've been hired to MC an event from
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: 9 until 5 p.m. And then I'm like, no, I
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: don't want to take photos. Don't take photos of me
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: on stage. But from 9 until 5, you belong here.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: No shame.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: I can see MK's had some trouble with the social
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: media at their company.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: No, MK's just like, there's a marketing budget. Where's the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: marketing budget? Because if that person is getting paid, we
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: also want to share of their... Marketing budget.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Back to making your morning. And Nelly and the club.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I love this show.
• 18:37
  Speaker 9: On 947.