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When Enforcing the Law Makes You the Enemy · Heroes Behind the Badge

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Charles Marino: You, can't do it.
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It, the, two are contradictory.
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The, very policies of sanctuary cities.
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Not only endanger those in the community and, the country at large,
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But they, also undercut law enforcement at all levels each and every day.
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So they really defy common sense.
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So when you hear a Governor Walz, or a Mayor Frey of Minneapolis, or even the
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Attorney General from there stand up and say that they agree with the Department
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Of Homeland Security when it comes to prioritizing public safety is just.
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Outright ridiculous, and disingenuous and an insult to really everybody.
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Craig Floyd: You know, every year we have the Attorney General speak and we also
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Have the Secretary of Homeland Security speak, and that's because of Chuck Marino.
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He was working for Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.
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He called me up one day and he said, Craig, I love that you have the ag speak
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At your candlelight vigil, but what about the Secretary of Homeland Security?
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Huh?
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And a little respect there.
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And, Uh, we've been doing it ever since.
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It's a tradition that continues thanks to this gentleman.
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So,
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Dennis Collins: You know, Chuck, you said something I don't wanna miss here because
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You mentioned Obama administration, that's where you were serving at the DHS.
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Okay.
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What about these sanctuary cities?
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, they existed during the Obama administration and here, and
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I, you know, I'm listening to all the chatter and here's what I'm
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Hearing, and I'd love your opinion.
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Number one, how did Obama's administration handle those?
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And number two, is that your view that the sanctuary cities are
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At the very heart of this mess?
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Charles Marino: You can't say that you are a sanctuary city and then
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Also say you prioritize public safety.
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The difference is, you're right, sanctuary cities have existed for a long time.
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The Obama administration did have to deal with sanctuary cities while they
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Were doing the same things that the Trump administration is doing right now.
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Um, the difference is those communities, while they still prevented
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State and local law enforcement from working collaboratively with
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Federal officials, they did not incite and they did not obstruct.
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That's what we see now.
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Now we see politicians playing an active role.
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In literally creating a more dangerous environment and totally abandoning
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Not only their state and local responsibilities like dealing with
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Protestors, but also obstructing federal agents at every step they can.
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Uh, and then you've got the courts, which are different, which we didn't have to
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Deal with during the Obama administration.
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Uh, and that was, you now have activist judges.
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Within these sanctuary districts that also try and do everything
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They can to slow down the process.
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And oh, by the way, those courts don't have a very good batting average
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When it comes to being overturned.
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The Trump administration up to and including last, late last
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Week, Uh, Minnesota had filed to stop the federal operations.
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Dennis Collins: Yes.
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Charles Marino: Yeah.
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And, and they were overruled.
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Absolutely.
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Uh, a, a lower court had agreed with them, and a higher court, said,
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No, you can't have a state that is now impeding federal operations,
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No matter how much you hate it.
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Dennis Collins: Chuck and I'm glad you you brought that up because Heroes
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Behind the Badge and Citizens Behind the Badge are sponsoring organization.
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We're all about supporting law enforcement.
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That's what we do.
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We are about the men and women of law enforcement.
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So put yourself back in your shoes as law enforcement officer and put yourself
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In the shoes of today's law enforcement officers who are trying to enforce laws.
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That are being challenged.
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How do they feel with the, venom and the toxicity that's being spewed out there?
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What's inside the head of the law enforcement officers?
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Charles Marino: Well, at the federal level, I can tell you
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That morale's never been higher.
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From what I hear within ICE and CBP, because let's remember, they're
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Coming off of four years of not being allowed to do their jobs.
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Yeah, good point.
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And, and if you look at the statistics, if you look purely at the metrics of success.
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Look at those border numbers.
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You know, previous secretaries used to think that, anything a
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Thousand, encounters on the Southwest border or higher was a crisis,
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Dennis Collins: Right?
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Charles Marino: I mean, we're down at single digits.
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Zero, zero releases into the country.
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So that means if you're here illegally, you come up with a claim of amnesty, or,
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Uh, asylum, Uh, rather then that you were, you, historically you were released into
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The country until your asylum hearing.
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And, and that's been stopped.
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Uh, that was a loophole that's been stopped.
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So, but I, I gotta tell you, I think the goal.
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From at least Minnesota has been, to make the job of ICE and CBP as hard
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And as publicly messy as possible.
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That's why I think what President Trump said.
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Over the weekend, Uh, was genius and that is they got sucked in having ICE
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And CBP, Uh, dealing with protestors.
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No, don't do that.
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That's not their job.
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If they know the law enforcement's abandoning you, then why are you picking
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Up responsibility and doing their jobs?
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Which by the way, is gonna be the messiest part.
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Dennis Collins: Yeah.
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Bill Erfurth: Yeah, that's a great a hundred percent.
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And I want to, I want to go back to, Uh, to what you said, which is probably
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Going to be a surprise or a shocker to some people about the morale and
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The Feds being so high at the moment.
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But quite frankly, you know, law enforcement expects to be shit on, expects
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To have all kinds of problems with the scum of the earth that they're dealing
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With out on the streets and whatnot.
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But, you know, the biggest problem with morale generally is.
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Internal, and it's how you're treated internally by the bosses.
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Any number of of political things that affects you from the inside.
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With the Trump administration support of federal law enforcement across the board
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Right now, it's gotta be a huge boom, Uh, for the federal law enforcement officers.
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And, and Chuck, maybe you can just expound on this a little
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Bit, was my understanding.
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I heard that there was something like 10,000 applications, Uh, that had come in.
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To, Uh, DHS since Trump took office.
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Charles Marino: Well, yeah, and, the other thing is the old saying, you
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Know, don't tell me what you value.
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Show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value.
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Look at the money.
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That CBP and ICE have received under the big beautiful bill.
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Which is funny because we've got this, partial shutdown right now
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Because of DHS Democrats say, and because of the operations of ICE.
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But this partial shutdown doesn't hurt ICE in any.
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Way at all, nor does it hurt CBP because they are so plush with cash
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From that big, beautiful bill that operations are gonna continue unimpeded.
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And oh, by the way, all of those employees are gonna continue showing up
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To work during any type of a shutdown because they're essential personnel.
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And so not only are they gonna keep showing up and doing the job,
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They're also gonna be back paid.
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And so this isn't having the effect that Democrats think,
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Uh, it would on law enforcement.
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But yeah, no, look, the morale is important.
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The applications are through the roof and they're being allowed to do their
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Jobs, and people like to see results and you know, that's what they're saying.
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Bill Erfurth: Maybe you can expound a little bit because there's been a
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Narrative going around, especially in the liberal media, about the fact
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That these folks that are now coming out of the academy working for the
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Feds are not sufficiently trained.
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What say you.
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Charles Marino: Yeah, I mean, they're going through the same type of training.
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It is not abbreviated, but I would say all of the agencies, throughout DHS have taken
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A hard look over the years at training.
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And can it be consolidated in certain areas?
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And I think, of course, the answer is yes.
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They're doing it to save money.
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They're doing it to get.
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Agents operational out onto the streets a little bit sooner.
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But as far as the context in which the perceived lack of training being put forth
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By Democrats, is, it's not happening.
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They're still going through adequate and ample use of force training.
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They're still going through ample firearms training.
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You know, let's not forget too many of these.
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Folks are also coming from previous law enforcement careers at the state and
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Local level, or the military, and so there are no strangers to use of force policy.
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There are no strangers to handling firearms, and so I think that's
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Just a bunch of nonsense, but it goes to the overall narrative.
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The Democrats wanna play, right?
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They're outta control.
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Uh, this is messy.
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There's no, for forethought given to this, and they're just throwing agents out onto
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The street to execute this operations.
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When in all reality, Tom Homan and Kristi Noem were always honest with
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Sanctuary cities, and they said, less, the less you cooperate the more agents
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You're gonna see in your communities.
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Craig Floyd: Chuck one.
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One of the things that bothers me most about what's happening in Minneapolis
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Is ICE agents have become the enemy.
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All right.
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Governor Tim Walz, the Governor in Minnesota has said We are at war.
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Basically he's declaring war between the citizens of Minnesota
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And the ICE agents that are there.
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Now here's the problem, ICE agents don't set policy, alright?
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They're not the political leaders that tell them what to do or where to go.
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They have a job to do to protect this nation, to provide national
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Security, and peace, hopefully in the streets of America.
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But in Minneapolis, that's not happening.
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That the people have basically.
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Um, going to war against ICE Agents and I I, I'd love your comment on that.
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I mean, you served as a Secret Service agent for many years.
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You served at the Department of, Homeland Security for many years.
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Uh.
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And yet ICE agents all of a sudden are the enemy.
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The officers who are trying to enforce the laws of this country in a lawful
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Manner, Uh, have become the enemy.
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And this is frustrating to me because you can protest the policies.
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You, you may not like a particular law.
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You can vote out those legislators that enacted those laws,
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But it's not the ICE agents.
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That are setting policy or deciding, Uh, where to go and how to do their job.
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They're just out there.
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They've been told what to do, they're doing it, and frankly, it's a very
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Difficult job, a very dangerous job.
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Uh, your comment.
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Charles Marino: Well, you know, it's pretty interesting that sanctuary
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Cities in general are going after law enforcement, ICE agents and
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CBP agents the way that they are.
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Typically politics used to stay exactly there, right?
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Aim, your aim, your rhetoric at the, you know, the head of the executive branch,
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The president of the United States.
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But I'll take it another step further.
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You know what's interesting?
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You never hear come out of somebody like Governor Walz's mouth.
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Is the role that Congress plays here.
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I mean, to your point, this is a no-brainer.
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Congress passes the laws and the executive branch ICE and CBP enforce them,
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And, all the way up to the president.
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The president's, right when he says, look, it's my job to enforce the laws.
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You've heard Barack Obama say the same thing.
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It's not my job to choose between right and wrong and what laws I'm going to
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Enforce on a Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and what laws I'm not gonna
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Enforce on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
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That's not the way it works.
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My job is to enforce the laws that are on the books and this is what I'm gonna do.
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To, to, for a politician to take issue with the men and women, Uh, that are doing
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Jobs that are much, much more dangerous.
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Than theirs.
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You know, which is why it always amuses me when they incite all this rhetoric
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Usually standing behind their gates in their house, which are being protected
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By guess who law enforcement and, you know, but yet they throw these arrows
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And it makes the job much more dangerous.
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As a law enforcement officer, it's infuriating.
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Because you've got things like dosing going on that's giving up
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Not only the personal information of the agents, but also the families.
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It's endangering, you know, their kids.
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Uh, and it's a gross misrepresentation of what they're doing when you really,
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If you're staying honest about it, when you look at the totality of threats
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That were allowed into the country.
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From 180 different countries that were encountered many special interest
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Locations that no matter how much Biden and Mayorkas said they were vetted,
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There's no feasible way to thoroughly vet these people coming from these locations.
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'cause there's no systems to vet against.
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So when you think about the threats in that totality, why aren't these sanctuary
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Politicians taking issues with Congress?
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I, Democrat, you know, we including Democrats,
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Bill Erfurth: Just clowns.
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They're, these people are clowns.
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You know, you talk about Mayorkas, my God, Mayorkas was just a pathetic liar.
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How could you boldface get in front of I, I, I hope to see that
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They do something about this.
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But you know, as we're harping on Minnesota, I've got some statistics here.
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You know, there's 1,370 detainers in Minnesota.
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Those are illegals, criminals that are being held in the jails.
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We should talk a little bit about that because I don't think they're
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Talking about this on mainstream media.
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The fact of the matter is if these sanctuary cities were just cooperating
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And allowing law enforcement to go into the jails, I hear Homan say this.
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I hear a number of people say this.
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It takes one or two agents to go into the jail.
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It's a peaceful transfer.
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Mm-hmm.
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There's not gonna be violence.
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Everybody's protected.
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You're in the security of the jail versus sending a team out to go get these guys.
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Chuck, maybe talk a little bit about the dynamics of that.
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Charles Marino: Yeah, well that was the point You just hit on
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The number of detainers, Uh, that are not being honored statewide.
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And this goes to part of the strategy, which by the way, was also the
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Strategy of the Obama administration.
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Uh, we used to have a program called 287(g), Uh, which was called Secure
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Communities, where you started deputizing state and local law enforcement, Uh,
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To enforce immigration law, to kind of be a force multiplier for ICE.
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But yet, you're right.
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And this is, to my earlier point about creating a a lot
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Safer environment for everybody.
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A lot less messy when you allow ICE agents into the jails.
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When you have those immigration detainers being honored, not just by
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The state, but also at the local levels.
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They're the majority, when it comes to controlling all of these jails, right?
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And also allowing state and local law enforcement to
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Cooperate with ICE and CBP now.
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I think the administration would tell you be the first to tell you that
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They're not expecting state and locals in Minnesota to help them enforce immigration
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Law because of the sanctuary policy.
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But what they are doing is they're expecting them to show up if ICE
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Agents, Uh, become over, over, Uh.
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Burdened.
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Overwhelmed.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Overwhelmed by these protests.
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Or There's a public safety issue with ICE agents and they expect
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Them to share intelligence.
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Hey, share intelligence.
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Dennis Collins: I, I wanna, I, you made a, a very important point here about, what
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Is needed, the cooperation that's needed between the feds and the local and states.
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Let's, go back to Tom Homan.
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I, I thought Homan made a world class a masterclass speech last week
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On the solutions to this problem.
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One of his solutions is that if indeed the city.
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State governments of Minnesota will allow him and his agents to go into
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These jails and pick up these people without, a protest or violence that
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He will consider moving out some of the troops, some of the, Uh, the, Uh,
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ICE agents and border patrol people.
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Give us some thoughts on what Homan said.
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Do you think?
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It's gonna hold, you know, he claims that they gave him some agreement, but then
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Some of the rhetoric after that speech he gave seemed to kind of go backwards.
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But what, what is your, what your thoughts.
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Charles Marino: Sanctuary cities have a very bad habit of not keeping promises.
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Just think about the promise that Eric Adams made in New York to Tom Homan
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To his face about letting ICE agents in the Rikers and it never happened.
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Yeah.
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Uh, and that was at the beginning of the administration when Eric
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Adams was found himself, at odds.
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With the White House and, and a at, Uh, at odds with the Democratic party.
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So, they never let 'em into Rikers Island.
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And that's indicative of how sanctuary cities, make and
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Then don't keep, keep promises.
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But you're right.
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Every action has a reaction.
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And I think here, if you put the action on the city and of Minneapolis and Minnesota.
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If they were to do the right thing, then that allows, Uh, Tom Homan, Uh,
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And Kristi Noem to rightsize operations.
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Uh, that is to look at the numbers and say, do we need to hit the streets
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The way we've been hitting them, as hard as we've been hitting them,
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Because we're getting no help at all.
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And I think the answer is they'd rather.
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Decrease those numbers on the street.
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They'd rather it be a lot safer.
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They'd rather have less interactions with the general public as they're
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Looking for these, Uh, national security threats throughout the city.
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But let's face it, I mean, sanctuary cities are where you have to go.
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Where you have to stay when you're looking for all these threats
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That came into the country.
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I mean, this is where they're being harbored.
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This is where they're being protected.
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This is where they're being released over and over, back out onto the
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Streets to commit more crimes.
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From a strategic standpoint on the, from the side of ICE and CBP sanctuary, cities
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Are the natural place you need to go.
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Craig Floyd: Isn't that, you know, Minneapolis Absolutely problem.
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Go ahead.
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Go ahead.
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The citizens of Minneapolis, they, they don't seem to appreciate the
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Fact that ICE agents are there in their city trying to rid them of
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These serious, Uh, criminals Yeah.
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That have come in from, Uh, foreign countries illegally.
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And ICE agents are doing them a favor by, Uh, making their city safer if they
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Let them do their job and do it safely.
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I think you make a great point that if, if they got the cooperation
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From the locals, they wouldn't, put themselves at such great risk.
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The ICE agents, all right.
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Right.
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They are being, Uh, rocks are being thrown at them.
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People are coming to protest with guns.
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I mean, we saw that with Preti.
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Uh, not a smart thing to do and, and unfortunately.
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Late, he tragically lost his life.
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I mean, this is what, I think, upsets me that there's a lot of ignorance out there,
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Especially in the sanctuary cities about why ICE agents are trying to do a job to
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Help them and keep their community safer.
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Bill Erfurth: I, I wanna just expound on that.
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I think that there's a lot of ignorant people that are out there protesting
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In Minneapolis, but I think it's far deeper than this, the dynamic
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When we're talking about sanctuary cities, I think Minneapolis is way
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Different than a lot of places.
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And why it is right now is because they're trying to distract.
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Look at this shiny object over here.
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Don't focus so much on all this fraud that's going on.
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And I think people like tampon, Tim and the, and the emasculated
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Putts, it's the mayor there.
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Mm-hmm.
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And the lap dog, police chief, and all those people,
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They're going along with this.
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They're encouraging all of this.
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Anarchy to take place because it's, it's taking away that focus because
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Before all this happened, it was all about the amount of fraud that
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Was going on in Minneapolis and now they're not talking about it as much.
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Charles Marino: This is definitely a diversionary tactic.
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For sure.
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There, there's no, there's no doubt about it.
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The more they can talk about ICE and CBP and, and, you know, the perceived
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Mess that this is causing in their community, the less they're talking
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About that fraud, which is in the billions and we'll probably be one of
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The biggest stories and, and, and, Uh, crimes of fraud to ever hit this country.
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It'll make the COVID fraud look like, it was nothing.
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But look, this is what happens when you have politicians that not only
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Wanna enrich themselves, but also, wanna prioritize those that shouldn't
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Be in the country in the first place, believe they're entitled to Absolutely.
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Everything, Uh, that would traditionally go to the American public first for those,
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Uh, for those that are truly in need.
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But no, you're, look, you're right.
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I mean, it's just, it's irresponsible.
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In some cases we're gonna find it's criminal.
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And let's remember we keep talking about the protests.
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Yeah.
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There's some local organic groups that are protesting.
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And you know what?
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They're probably peaceful, but it's these, it's the outside organized
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Groups that you're gonna find a lot of democratic money behind.
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You're gonna find foreign influence, typically from an adversary, Uh,
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To fund and organize these groups that historically come from outside
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Of the area, have no interest.
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And oh, by the way.
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If this weren't a protest about immigration but was a protest of the
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Middle East, you would see the same people showing up for the same protests and they
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Have no idea what they're doing there.
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They couldn't explain the issues to you.
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They have no, they have, yeah, they have no thought, thoughts on this, that
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We would consider well thought out.
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And so that's what they do.
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They come in, they cause turmoil.
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We saw it in 2020.
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When Minneapolis burned, when they walked away from police
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Departments and gave up those cities.
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So this really is.
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On the side of the Democrats, I think another black eye for them amongst
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The voting population that are law abiding, that are supporters of law
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Enforcement like we all are, and wanna see the laws of this country enforced.
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Craig Floyd: Chuck what, Uh, the Philadelphia Sheriff the other day, Um,
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Called the ICE agents, wannabe cops, basically acting as if they, they didn't
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Really have law enforcement status.
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They weren't properly trained.
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Uh, she even threatened to arrest ICE agents if they came into the city of
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Philadelphia, which was outrageous.
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I, I thank you as much as anybody.
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Former Secret Service agent served at the Department of Homeland Security.
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I think you have a, a great understanding and appreciation for the job.
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ICE agents do the training, they have the, importance to this country.
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I'd like you to comment on that.
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Charles Marino: Yeah.
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Well, I gotta tell you, I, I would, and, and I've heard that sheriff
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In Philadelphia, I've heard what she's had to say now, quite a few
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Times and I'd love to know where the National Sheriff's Association is.
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With her.
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Really, whatever.
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Whatever happened to the days of picking up the phone and telling
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Somebody to shut up that they were embarrassing the profession.
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What?
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That's See?
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Yeah, that's a good point.
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See, that's part of the problem.
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Dennis Collins: Maybe they're listening.
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Charles Marino: That's part of the problem.
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I hope they are.
25:58
And look, yeah, it goes for major city chiefs.
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It goes for the IACP.
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Where are you?
26:03
You got this?
26:04
LA I think Craig, you called the list this chief, the lap
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Dog, out in, Uh, Minneapolis.
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Where's major City Chiefs calling this guy up and saying, what?
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Is there something wrong with you?
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I couldn't
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Bill Erfurth: Be more on target about that.
26:21
The lack of, of leadership, the lack of balls, you know, stand up for the
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Troops, stand up, do the right thing.
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It's shocking that people are so worried about hurting somebody's feelings.
26:37
Bullshit.
26:37
You know, you've just gotta be, we were talking about this the other day.
26:42
Dumbing of America.
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It's almost like the dumbing of law enforcement.
26:47
You've got some of these DEI hires that are leading agencies that are dumber than
26:53
Rocks, and they are an embarrassment.
26:56
Yeah.
26:56
And they need to be challenged.
26:58
Charles Marino: Yeah.
26:58
And ultimately, look, I mean, it's, it's a problem that only the people
27:03
Can solve in those communities because they're the ones that are voting.
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You're the voters for this.
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And so, ultimately you gotta, you gotta look at it almost at
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The, you know, the micro level.
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And you gotta say, well look who's ultimately to blame for this?
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We, you know, did the v were the voters not able to tell?
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What this person was going to do and what they were gonna prioritize and,
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And and so, but yeah, I think, look, I think sometimes somebody needs to pick
27:34
Up the phone and say, enough is enough.
27:39
You are killing us as sheriffs around this country.
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Yeah.
27:43
And this is not what we do and this is not what we say.
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And we certainly don't talk about arresting.
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Uh, yeah.
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I'm sure other, other law enforcement officers when
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They're legally doing their jobs.
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Dennis Collins: Exactly.
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Charles Marino: Exactly.
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That's key.
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The, these guy, these, these men and women are doing the jobs according to the
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Laws and to their statutory authorities.
28:11
Dennis Collins: So, Chuck, you're the founder and CEO of your very own, Uh,
28:15
Global security firm called Sentinel.
28:18
Bill Erfurth: Yes.
28:19
Dennis Collins: And, Uh, so you are, after your life, after Secret Service
28:23
Involves, Uh, some very high level.
28:26
Security and, Uh, intelligence advisory jobs.
28:30
Bill Erfurth: Yes.
28:30
Dennis Collins: I would love your input as a CEO, as a leader, as a security
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And intelligence leader in this country.
28:41
If you were in charge, if all of a sudden they called up and say, Chuck,
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Take over this mess and fix it.
28:47
Give us Chuck's solution to this mess that's going on up in Minneapolis.
28:54
Charles Marino: It goes well beyond Minneapolis, right?
28:56
Minneapolis is one of the things.
28:58
First thing that I've spoken about extensively is there is no
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Way that federal taxpayers should still be funding sanctuary cities.
29:10
Especially when we talk about, as Craig knows very well, especially
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When we talk about all of these public safety grants that come from
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DHS and the Department of Justice.
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I mean, we're talking about billions and billions of dollars.
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I mean, you look at New York City alone, it's almost a billion
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Dollars in terms of all the types of aid that they get, Uh, to help.
29:34
Public safety, implement public safety policies and Uh, and terrorism prevention.
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So why, again, if you have a city, Uh, that does not believe in enforcing any
29:46
Part of the law, and as much as we used to say that Homeland Security begins with
29:51
Home town security and you have hometowns within sanctuary states that do nothing
29:58
To move forward public safety, why do we consider continue to reward this?
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And consider this to be successful policies.
30:09
And so the first thing is you gotta use the power of the purse.
30:13
And I don't think to date that the Trump administration has exhausted that, Uh, as,
30:19
As much as they could through the courts.
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Bill Erfurth: Yeah, I think that was challenged, wasn't it?
30:25
I think it was.
30:26
I think they tried to do that.
30:27
It got challenged in court, and then I just saw this week that there was some
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Senator or congressman that actually was talking about legislation to
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Charles Marino: Lindsey Graham.
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Dennis Collins: Lindsey Graham.
30:39
Yeah, yeah,
30:39
Charles Marino: Exactly.
30:40
Yeah.
30:41
But you're, you're right.
30:42
But you've gotta exhaust the court system.
30:46
Because if you look at the cases that have gone to the Supreme Court,
30:50
That's another area that the Trump administration's done very well.
30:54
Um, I think they've only taken one or two losses in the Supreme Court and all
30:59
These other cases, Uh, they have won.
31:02
When it comes to, when it comes to immigration, I love what the
31:06
Administration is doing, in terms of this multifaceted approach.
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You know, you've gotta deal with the, your own hemisphere, the western hemisphere.
31:16
You've gotta deal with places like Venezuela and Mexico and Colombia.
31:20
You got, I, I was a, a firm believer in, Uh, designating the cartels
31:27
And these violent gangs as, Uh, foreign terrorist organizations.
31:31
Yep.
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It gives the executive branch a lot more authorities when
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It comes to going after them.
31:39
And I like what we're doing here with the, with our own border.
31:43
This is a walk and chew gum strategy.
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It had to be.
31:47
And I think when you look at this.
31:50
This strategic approach holistically by the Trump administration.
31:55
You see that they're hitting all of the areas that they need to, Uh, right now.
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And the numbers, again, back to the numbers.
32:03
Look at fentanyl.
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Fentanyl is dropping.
32:07
Look at, Uh, the drug, Uh, the movement of drugs on the waterway
32:11
Is coming from Venezuela.
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That's down 97%.
32:16
I know, by the way.
32:17
That's not, not only impacting drugs that are leaving Venezuela, it's drugs
32:22
That are coming via the waterways through other locations as well too.
32:26
I think there's still room to get a lot tougher with Mexico.
32:30
Uh, Mexico is something I've paid attention to for a very, very long time.
32:36
The level of corruption and fear and intimidation.
32:40
Look, when you've got the cartels as the third largest employer
32:44
In the country, that's not good.
32:46
Dennis Collins: Wow.
32:46
Yeah,
32:47
Charles Marino: That's not good.
32:48
And a lot of people don't realize, they operate like legitimate
32:53
Businesses operate in terms of their structure, and how they look at money.
33:00
But of course, everything that they're involved in, is a detriment.
33:06
Not only to Mexico, but to the United States.
33:08
A threat to the United States.
33:10
And I gotta tell you, anybody that steps outta line and voices
33:14
Opposition to them from a governmental standpoint is usually eliminated.
33:19
Bill Erfurth: Yeah.
33:20
Chuck, I just wanna reiterate that because that's such a massive, Uh,
33:25
Statistic and, and point that in Mexico, the cartels are the third.
33:32
Largest employer in the country that, that's shocking.
33:37
You know, there was an interview yesterday, I believe, when they had
33:40
The Ambassador to Mexico on, and the question was, who's running the country?
33:44
The president or the drug cartels?
33:47
And the guy would not answer that question.
33:50
Craig Floyd: Yeah.
33:51
It's clear, it's clearly the
33:53
Dennis Collins: Cor if you knew the answer.
33:55
Bill Erfurth: Yeah.
33:55
Yeah.
33:55
Crazy.
33:55
Craig Floyd: Chuck.
33:56
The, that When you talk about a solution to this problem though,
33:59
Don't you agree that a lot of it's the political hyperbole.
34:04
You know, you and I talked about this a little bit offline.
34:08
The Trump administration Yes, has gotten tough and maybe, you know, calling them
34:13
Domestic terrorists in Minneapolis, et cetera, might have been gone too far.
34:17
But they've been pushed by the local leadership in Minneapolis, the mayor.
34:22
The Governor of Minnesota.
34:25
Basically declaring war on ICE and on the Trump administration for their
34:30
Policies and, and how they're trying to enforce the law, which as you pointed
34:35
Out, was, Uh, given to them by Congress.
34:38
Uh, the political irresponsibility, I think is at the heart of this issue.
34:43
Sanctuary city policies, certainly, but then when the feds do go in and try
34:48
To make a city safer, all of a sudden the mayor, the Governor, all the, the
34:52
Leadership, even the chief of police.
34:55
Is, Um, you know, coming down against the Feds.
34:58
Um, this is a problem and I think that feeds into the media.
35:01
The media loves this stuff, right?
35:03
They love all the political hyperbole, so they can, Uh, fuel the, the, Uh, fires,
35:10
And get everybody all ratcheted up.
35:12
And then you end up with people dying, Uh, needlessly.
35:16
Charles Marino: Let's look at what the Biden administration said from day one.
35:20
You can't secure the border.
35:21
You can't enforce the immigration laws because we
35:24
Need overall immigration reform.
35:26
Meanwhile, meanwhile, we always had Title eight, which is the foundation
35:30
Of the enforcement of immigration laws.
35:33
You had things in place like Remain in Mexico that gave a pause to those claiming
35:38
Asylum until they were thoroughly vetted.
35:41
Before they were even considered to be let into the country.
35:44
He stood that down.
35:46
He stood down every other executive order.
35:48
President Trump did related to these issues in his first term, so they
35:53
Were disingenuous about the law.
35:55
You always had the laws on the books.
35:57
You always had the authorities on the books already to secure the border
36:00
And enforce the immigration laws.
36:02
They just chose not to do it.
36:04
They were looking at kicking the can down the road and ultimately.
36:08
If you look at the bills that they put forth, including the last one that
36:13
Was rejected, it, their bills always included a goal of amnesty, mass Amnesty.
36:22
Um, and, and I have said from day one that if you paid attention closely.
36:28
The answer was as obvious as the day is long, they were looking to change
36:32
The demographics of the United States.
36:35
They were looking to give those in the country illegal, the right to vote.
36:38
Ultimately, they were trying to do it through amnesty and that was the goal.
36:43
It was to hold on the power.
36:44
It was how can we change and influence the Democratic voter base
36:49
In this country to make sure that we hold on the power long term.
36:53
Craig Floyd: Majority of Americans have voted them of office vote votes.
36:57
It's the numbers.
36:57
That's why Trump got elected in part, is because of the
37:00
Immigration problem in this country.
37:03
Yeah.
37:03
And now that he comes in and he is, Uh, Uh, closed the border, he's deporting
37:08
The heinous criminals that have, Uh, come in through the poorest Uh, border.
37:12
Mm-hmm.
37:12
Um, and now, people are, are crucifying him and the ICE agents for
37:17
Enforcing those laws and doing the job that the voters want them to do.
37:22
Charles Marino: No, that's exactly right.
37:24
So, I mean, the answers have always been there.
37:26
It's a little uncomfortable sometimes for some people to say
37:29
What the, what the honest answer is.
37:31
But if you look at it, I mean, look, you had votes on the hill.
37:35
You had a legislation, put forth by the District of
37:38
Columbia that wanted to do what?
37:42
Give illegals the right to vote.
37:44
Dennis Collins: Right.
37:45
Charles Marino: Look at other Democrats.
37:46
You had some of them saying the quiet part out loud, not realizing that they
37:50
Were supposed to shut up, saying, you know, look, this is messing up my, my
37:55
Redistricting efforts by, by not, you know, by not giving them amnesty, by not,
38:01
You know, the answers are there and now.
38:03
So that's an example of where the politics.
38:06
Overtook the national security interests of the country.
38:10
And in that case, the politics of the Biden administration
38:14
Were completely wrong.
38:16
They ignored.
38:18
The common sense things to do to keep the country safe.
38:22
They chose to purposely ignore those.
38:25
And this is where we are now.
38:27
So when everybody's complaining about how the cleanup is going in
38:32
The interior of the country, let's take a step back and remember who
38:36
Caused this mess in the first place.
38:39
Bill Erfurth: If Biden hadn't let nearly 20 million people into
38:43
The country, we wouldn't have these enormous battles today.
38:47
It would be business as usual, but now it's not.
38:51
Yeah.
38:51
Now it's an enhanced enforcement action that has to be taken
38:55
Charles Marino: Well, and you wouldn't have an innocent Americans being killed.
39:00
Being raped, being a hundred percent being, being, trafficked.
39:06
You know, and the other thing is, you know, the policies of the Biden
39:09
Administration made it more dangerous for everybody, not just the American public,
39:13
But look how many, Uh, illegals that chose to make the journey to the United States.
39:19
How many of them lost their lives?
39:21
How many of them were raped and assaulted and killed?
39:26
We don't know.
39:27
Right?
39:27
And how many are trafficked?
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Into human trafficking.
39:33
So, you know, it's, they created a nightmare not only for this
39:38
Country, but for the entire region.
39:40
And oh, by the way, along the way, their policies empowered the cartels like
39:44
They've never been empowered before.
39:47
Financially, the cartels have never been richer.
39:51
Okay.
39:53
Which is, or have grown to the size that they are now.
39:57
So the reason why we're dealing with the scale of the problem, Uh, that
40:02
We are, is because of these policies.
40:04
These policies had an adverse effect on everything.
40:08
And now you've got an administration that's taking care of the problem
40:11
And you wanna know something.
40:12
It's a big problem.
40:14
Yeah, it
40:15
Is.
40:15
Craig Floyd: Oh, and Dennis, I, I don't know how you all feel,
40:17
But I think, Uh, Chuck has really helped to cl bring clarity Wow.
40:22
To, to this issue.
40:23
Uh, Minneapolis is a mess, but there's a lot more to it, and Chuck has really,
40:28
I think, defined what, what's going on.
40:31
So, Uh, Chuck, I would love to, I thank you for coming on today.
40:34
This has been awesome.
40:34
Dennis Collins: Absolutely.
40:35
I would like, yeah.
40:36
Craig Floyd: Thank you.
40:37
Dennis Collins: Ask Chuck, we maybe we ought to have you come back a few times
40:40
And really you make sense of this stuff.
40:42
Craig Floyd: Yeah.
40:43
Dennis Collins: And that's what our audience wants.
40:44
They wanna make sense of this.
40:46
Yeah.
40:46
But I have a question to kind of maybe start closing this out.
40:51
Okay.
40:53
Citizens Behind the Badge is all about the cops.
40:56
We support the men and women of law enforcement.
40:59
Okay?
41:00
Now we understand, as Tom Homan said the other day, not every cop is perfect,
41:05
And not every operation is perfect.
41:07
There's always things that we can do to be better, but what is it?
41:11
If, if, if the men and women of law enforcement are listening today,
41:16
Do you have a message for them?
41:18
Uh, what what would you like to say to them as a person who served as
41:22
One of them and also as the founder of a business and a DHS employee?
41:27
What, what, what do you, what would be your message?
41:30
Charles Marino: Yeah.
41:30
Look, don't fall for the traps that are being laid for you each and every day.
41:37
By those in the country that have these radical ideologies, either that don't
41:43
Believe the laws of this country should be enforced, or that the men and women
41:48
Tasked with enforcing them, are evil.
41:52
Don't fall into that trap.
41:53
Understand that there's, there's organizations like yours, that
41:58
Provide a very important service, to voice and demonstrate that
42:04
Support each and every day.
42:07
And that the majority of Americans believe that this country has to
42:12
Be a country of law and order.
42:13
No civilized society can survive without it.
42:17
So the majority of Americans are on the side of law enforcement.
42:21
They understand that the job is hard enough.
42:25
On a regular day.
42:27
But now with all this political nonsense, this political nonsense
42:31
Coming from the radical left does not represent what the overwhelming majority
42:37
Of the country feels Absolutely.
42:39
Uh, about, about law and in, and the enforcement of law and
42:43
About those that enforce it.
42:45
So, especially for these law enforcement officers that are
42:49
Operating in these sanctuary cities.
42:52
Look, many of them are not operating in these sanctuary cities because of the
42:56
Sanctuary policies they're operating, because that's where they're from.
43:00
That's where they've chosen to live.
43:01
That's where they've chosen to raise their kids.
43:04
So especially for them.
43:07
Don't fall into the traps that the local politicians are setting, for
43:12
These, these men and women, and try not to get hurt because in a lot of
43:17
These communities, these policies unfortunately, are setting these law
43:21
Enforcement departments and these law enforcement officers of for failure.
43:26
Dennis Collins: What a great, well said, inspirational message.
43:29
That is extremely well said.
43:31
I don't think any of us could have said it as well as you chuck that
43:35
Was beautifully done and thank you.
43:37
Thank
43:37
Charles Marino: You.
43:38
Dennis Collins: That I wanna make sure that our audience knows
43:41
How to get in touch with you.
43:43
Okay.
43:43
Charles Marino: Yeah.
43:44
Dennis Collins: Would you mind sharing your contact information?
43:47
Charles Marino: Sure.
43:48
My company website is Sentinel, S-E-N-T-I-N-E-L.
43:53
Security, Uh, you can find, Uh, information about our company, information
43:58
About the entire team, and then I'm on X Charles Marino, and you can also
44:06
Find my website@charlesmarino.com.
44:09
Dennis Collins: Great.
44:10
Great.
44:10
Perfect.
44:10
I'm sure, Uh, I'm sure a lot of people will like to reach out to you.
44:15
Of course.
44:16
You have such a common sense, articulate way of framing all this and, Uh,
44:21
I think that's what we need now.
44:23
Charles Marino: Well, great.
44:24
Thank you.
44:24
Now look, this is what I try and do, right?
44:26
I try and.
44:28
Cut through all the noise and really analyze it and say, look,
44:34
Thi this is the way policies and ideologies are gonna impact us.
44:40
And it's either going to be right or it's going to be wrong.
44:44
There's no hybrid here.
44:46
And I think we're seeing, that the policies of sanctuary cities, are
44:52
Grossly inept and very dangerous.
44:55
Dennis Collins: Indeed.
44:56
So I can't help but ask you one last question.
44:59
Sure.
44:59
During this interview, I've heard a little chirping in the
45:02
Background and I wasn't sure.
45:04
I,
45:04
Charles Marino: No, I don't know what I don't.
45:06
Yeah, I don't know what that noise is.
45:08
I don't, I thought you had a bird heat or something.
45:10
No.
45:10
A in
45:11
Dennis Collins: Your,
45:12
Charles Marino: No, it may, Uh, the heater.
45:14
Yeah.
45:15
I just, there was something chirping.
45:18
I, I haven't.
45:20
The only one hearing that some
45:21
Bill Erfurth: Birdshot
45:23
Charles Marino: Is I
45:23
Dennis Collins: The only one hearing that or was heard?
45:26
Yeah,
45:26
Charles Marino: I heard it.
45:26
No, I hear it a little bit.
45:28
No, it's not, it's not about, I was a little concerned
45:31
Dennis Collins: About what
45:31
Charles Marino: That
45:31
Dennis Collins: Was.
45:32
But you're okay, right?
45:33
You're, you're not in any danger of any
45:34
Charles Marino: Sort.
45:35
I'm in, I'm in an, I'm in an old building, so it makes a lot of different noises.
45:40
Dennis Collins: Okay, we'll attribute it to the oldness of the building.
45:44
How's
45:44
Charles Marino: That?
45:44
Yeah.
45:44
Yeah.
45:45
It's gotta be the HVAC unit.
45:47
Dennis Collins: Yeah.
45:47
Alright.
45:47
Again, thank you,
45:49
Charles Marino: Chuck for this.
45:49
You got it guys.
45:50
You got it.
45:50
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